THE MOTHMAN PROPHECIES

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This is one from my childhood that I was very excited to revisit but I'm not going to tell you what it is yet. But if you want to jump straight to the recap, there are time stamps in the show notes because first I got to know Emily and Henley. Did anything scary happen to you guys this week? Oh, I just thought of something. This is important. Great. So our car is really falling apart. The car that we have is the car that Tim leased when he first moved to Los Angeles like 10 years ago. It's a Subaru Impreza. We have driven that thing to the ground. We drove it across country and like last week we were driving somewhere and we heard a clang and then later we realized our hubcap had fallen off one of our tires. And okay, so I think I haven't actually really looked into this but I'm pretty sure it's almost ornamental. Yeah, I mean the tire didn't fly off right after it sounds like. Yeah, the tires fine. Although all of our tires need to be replaced really, really badly. So that's important. Yeah, I just had to do that recently too and I would have driven until they exploded. Duncan saw it was like, oh my God, the tread on your tires is like cutting, you could see some metal. Like it wasn't tire material. I was like, oh, I had no idea. Oh God, we really need to deal with our tires. I think that we're in the same situation. Yeah, tires are really important. Especially because then yesterday we were driving somewhere, heard another clang. Nope. No, another hubcap fell off our car and you guys, it's already kind of embarrassing driving this car around Greenwich, Connecticut because okay, when Tim leased this car, he didn't know how to drive yet. He had to learn how to drive in Los Angeles. He grew up in New York City, never got his driver's license. So his first driving lesson was I think in this car on Melrose Avenue. They picked him up from Paramount where I was working. A horrible, horrible place to learn. It's like the worst place to drive even as like an experienced driver. That was Tim's first experience driving. They picked him up at Paramount because that's where I was working and he was there and they just like whatever this driving school was, they would pick you up where you were. So this car has a massive dent in the driver's side door. It has like scratches all over. It has a dent in the front and now and also all of our tires need to be replaced and all of them basically have like holes in them. They're kind of flat. Like it's like you guys and now we don't have two hubcaps. Yeah. You gotta take it somewhere. If this car was in pristine condition, it would be one thing, but it's embarrassing now. I'm now embarrassed and maybe take it out to pasture. Maybe. It is like paid off. It's so nice not to have to be paying for a car. I know paying for cars sucks. That's kind of paying for cars fucking sucks. It's kind of the mean thing. My headlights are so dirty that they don't like emit light anymore. You like turn them on and you're like, why isn't anything happening? It's so dark. It's so dark. Truly. I've been driving with my brights on because I just like can't, my headlights don't do anything. I feel like headlights across the border too bright these days. Yes, I agree. I feel really guilty driving with these brights on. It's dangerous. They're too bright. They're way too bright. I completely agree. It's like LED or whatever. We need to, come on, we can't invent a kind of LED that's safer for cars. They're too bright. I'm surprised this isn't more of a safety issue. I will die on this hill. I will die on this fucking hill. And you will literally die when you're in countercarb. When you're blinded by the light. I'm gonna go up a hill and a car is gonna be too bright coming at me and I will die on that hill because of those too bright headlights. I hope not. I hope not. But just so everybody knows, I did just now purchase a headlight cleaning kit. There's like a specific type of cleaner that you got to get. And so don't worry. Don't worry. It's being taken care of. You're going to do it and then it's actually on the inside. You have to like take the light off and clean it. No, you do. It's on the inside. Do you take it off and you clean it on the inside? You probably have to because it's definitely on the inside. I've thought it was on the outside. I'm not looking forward to it. I think it's on the inside. But it's got to happen. But why? What would make that? I don't know. It's probably both. That's what I'm gonna do a little, maybe start with the outside because that's easier. See what happens. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Car stuff. So you're gonna, you got to go through those tires. Looked at them. Yeah. I mean, at a minimum, we have to replace all these tires. Otherwise, yeah, I'm driving around Granish Connecticut with two hub capless tires. Hub capless. Are they at least like, where are they? Are they even? Even? Oh, there, it's the two front ones. Two front ones. Yeah. So it's not on, it's on either side. Yeah. So anytime someone's looking at your car from the inside. You're always seeing it. You're missing out on the cap. There's no, yeah. There's no good side. There's no good side of the car. There's no good side of the car. Damn, damn, damn. Yeah. I gotta get that fixed right away. Scary. How about you guys? How are you doing? I have realized, okay, so I don't really, I'm not like a, there's nobody that I'm like a really big fan of in a way that like I'm like obsessed with them. Like, I mean, okay, hold on. Talk to me. Hold on, guys, Gary. So many people. But I, God, that's really funny. Bobby's like, excuse me, it's way above guy. No, the brothers. Oh, the brothers. Oh, you're right. That's probably the closest I've got. But I just mean the kind of fandom where you're like, you want, like you're like, I could be there for, like they like, the kind of, the kind of fandom that they start to like matter to you and you stop seeing them as a celebrity, you know, you start to view them as your friend. You haven't gone full parasocial. I haven't gone full parasocial, but I realized last night, I think for me, my fandom exists within the servers and bartenders of Los Angeles. Oh, that actually makes sense. I have a thing where like, if I have a good server bartender and we have a nice rapport and we have a nice time, I'm immediately like, Oh my God, what if I see them again? Like, oh my God. Like, I'm like, we had a server last night who was so good. He was so good. He was so cute. He was so charming. He was so good at his job. My parents were in town. He charmed the hell out of my dad. He like put up with all of our talking to him for way too long. It was my dad's birthday and when he got his dessert, they forgot to bring a candle and we didn't mind and we had the dessert. But then he like made them bring us a second dessert on the house with the candle. It was like really sweet about it. He just was like, amazing. And afterwards I was like, what if I see him around town? Like I was just like, so I was like, I, you know, I only knew his first name, but I was like, could I try to find his Instagram if I like went and it's not like, it's not Romain. I'm not like in, but I'm just like, I, he's like a celebrity to me. And I realized that I do that like a lot with, with the, the restaurant staff of the city of Los Angeles, not even just the city of Los Angeles. Because remember that really great waiter we had at that, the carbon in Vegas. And we were all obsessed with it. Like I'm like, there is something like as a, it unlocks a kind of my brain, a really good server where I'm like, well, I love you forever. Yeah. And I want to know everything about you. Like I want to know everything about you. What's going on to dinner is like sacred. It's a sacred space. It's like a beautiful, beautiful, happy. You love to say someone be good at their job and you feel so taken care of. I don't know. I just, I realized I'm like, oh, I have like an unhealthy attachment to my servers. You know, it's what I love them. What it's reminding me of also though is like a way to like get excited about what you're doing that night. Where you're like going to a restaurant, going to a bar and you're gonna see them. You gotta dress up for that. Like literally reminds you of like having a crush. I mean, like, am I going to see my crush tonight? Like it kind of makes everything more exciting when you have a crush. And it's kind of like this is a safe way to have crushes. You know? Yeah, it's fun. And all of us need that. I would love to have crushes on anyone. I love to have a crush. I think too, there's something that like I, it means so much to me to be liked by a server. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want to be one of the good ones. Oh my God. When I feel like I've like had a good rapport with a server, I'm like, okay, you're doing something right. You're doing something right. I like it. It's just, I put a lot of stakes on. I love myself again. I love my self again. Dining experience. I don't know, man. I just, something about going out to dinner last night, it like really clicked in my, how quickly the second we walked out of the restaurant, I was like, I got to try to find this Instagram. What's up with that? Did you find it? No, but I will continue to try. Yeah. He's probably not on Instagram. He sounds so cool. I know. But he's probably like, what if he's like, like, cause then I was like, well, Hudson Williams was people's waiter a mere one year ago, you know, like he could be about to be the next biggest star in the world on, he would deserve it. Chicken with absolutely delivered food to Henry's house once. I'm telling you, you know, charisma is real. Remember chicken from Riverdale? Was your, oh wait. Yes. You guys, it's crazy how much I've forgotten about literally everything that's ever happened to you. I like, don't, I don't remember. I don't remember a single thing. I don't remember anything that I've ever done or said or except for this one guy. You served me. I remember the last night and I remember until the day I got. Yeah. You remember the important stuff. Yeah. That's important. Um, well, I'm going to talk about stress. I'm really sorry. That's okay. We all feel it. I, it's reminding me of this one time I was watching. I was really stressed about something and watched a documentary about stress and they were like stress. It's killing you. And I was like, oh fuck, oh fuck. But it's true and stress is really crazy and does a lot of bad things to your body. And I was really stressed this week and I have like new stress symptoms, which you hate to develop new stress symptoms. So I've had an on and off sore throat for three weeks, which at first I was like, oh, well, I'm getting sick. Did some research. Nope. Stress can cause a sore throat. Oh God. Oh God. And then this week I started getting for the first time tension headaches. Oh, I've been getting those. The like base of the skull, like radiating down my neck. And it like feels like I'm being strangled a little bit. Like I'm like also kind of, I don't know. Oh no. It's like the most horrible sensation. And so I've just been having like so much neck pain and sore throat all from stress. Terrible, terrible combination. Oh, awful. Could you get a humidifier in your office? Yes, actually I was looking up last night what I should do and a humidifier was on there and I do have one. Maintaining a humidifier is really, I go help on my humidifier because I was like, well, now I'm just breathing in filth. Yeah. And then Henry does straight from the tap, which you're not supposed to do. Sorry to out you Henry, but I was, Henry's house is filled with humidifiers. You guys have to know. And I was like, how is she filtering from the top? How she feels disgusting or they're killing her. But they make, they make such a big difference on my throat. Like in the winter, every single morning I'd wake up with a sore throat. If we didn't have my disgusting tap water hydration system going disgusting. Well, yeah. I mean, I'm not doing. I don't know who has the time to use filtered water in all your humidifiers. That's what I'm saying. That's why I was like, I'm gonna be using tap as well for the record and you're not supposed to, but I'm going to. It's crazy you say that about the tension headaches because I've also been getting those for the first time. And it's like, yeah, I've never really dealt with, it's specifically tension in my neck that like is new to me. Yeah. I've had, you know, like my back will hurt occasionally. My traps are always a problem. But like specifically the neck muscle hurting. Mm hmm. Ow, it really fucking hurts. Yeah. Okay. I will say I did just hear from one of my coworkers that there's a piercing you can get inside in one of like the cartilage inside your ear. That is like a pressure point and supposedly like really helps keep you from having like migraines and tension headaches. Wow. And I am interested. Sure. I'll do it. I'll try anything. Except that my body can't handle a piercing. Tension headaches. I mean, your body can't handle a piercing. I've tried to pierce my ears so many times and every time they ultimately get infected and I have to take everything out. But every single time. It's been years and years and years of trying to have pierced earings. Years and years and years and years. It's never going to happen. Okay. It's not going to happen. Maybe you can get just like a little, Emily has like a little, is it like a magnet earring that presses the. Yes, they're called ear seeds. And it's just so you like hit, you put it on and it just like hits a pressure point. I've seen that. I've seen that. But the video I saw of ear seeds seemed kind of horrifying what was going on with the ear seeds. I guess there were too many ear seeds. It was like a lot. Too many. It was a lot of seeds in someone's ear. Well, that does sound upsetting. Yeah, that's you can use just one, I think. Yeah. Okay. Guys, I'm not fine in them. Oh no, she's looking. She's looking. I don't have a lot to go on. That's what's fun about trying to find someone like this though is when you don't have that much to go on. And then it's so satisfying when you figure it out. I still might get there. Yeah, I still might get there. Yeah. Yeah. You can find some of the other servers and go through. Really trying. This is at the time, but I'll keep you posted. I think it is. Yeah, let's do that. I think we need to get to the bottom of this right now. I think it's the time. I think this is exactly the time. Oh, no. I don't know. I'll keep you posted, but. Yeah, if anyone has any, I mean, I'm maybe I'll invest in some ear seeds or piercing, but any other tips for tension headaches or stress caused sore throat? Oh, God. Send them my way because it's like, it's really just like, what's the word? Not disorienting, but it's like, it makes me feel really crazy having like new symptoms from stress. And it's like, you know what doesn't help you be less stressed is like stress induced illnesses. Because then you're like, Oh God, I'm really way too stressed. And that like, it's like, the fuck am I supposed to do about this? I know, I know. And I got one massage, one really good massage. And I didn't thought that that would fix it forever. And I guess it didn't just really disappointing. Do you guys, do either of you have a TheraGun? I do. It's kind of too intense. See, I, we have it cause Tim's brother gave it to him as a present one year. And I've recently been getting Tim to like TheraGun my back every night. And it really helps. You can't really TheraGun like your own back and that, which you have to have someone else do it because I have tried to do that. And it just feels like I'm like punching myself in the throat. And then you can't get the angle right. And then your head is like, and it's just like your teeth are clattering together. And it's just really, it's like really, really intense. I know that's the only problem is you do need someone to do it for you. And I would want him to do it for like 45 minutes. A woman needs to invent a TheraGun you can use on your own. Probably just like figure out a way to attach it to a wall and move up and down. They have those things that are like neck pillow type things that have massagers in them. I have one of those, but I don't love the big rolly balls. I see. I need a more targeted. Yeah. You need a little more nuanced touch. I need a more nuanced touch. Talking about this is making my whole head hurt. Someone needs to invent and this is actually really scary and it probably a good way to get strangled, but like robotic hands that you can stick just right here. They go like just go right around your neck. Just robotic hands. They can go right around your neck. Does anyone thought of that? Why would they invented that? But they would have to be really strong. It would only be worth it if they were really strong. Really strong. I'd be really strong. And the group would have to be very firm. Stuff out there. Stuff out there. Everybody take care of yourselves. Don't stress too much. Whatever you do, do not stress. It's killing you. It's absolutely killing you. Deep breath in. Deep breath out. Okay. All right. Time to talk about some horror movies. Can't wait. Today we are talking about the Mothman prophecies. Came out in 2002. 13 year old Sammy loved this movie, but I was so scared of it. Oh my God. Shout out to my mom. Her and I watched this together, I think multiple times. And there's a line in it that we said to you. I'll call it out when we get there, but we quoted this movie for, I mean, we still do. There's a line from this that we quote to this day. To this very day. It was directed by Mark Pellington. Written by Richard Hadam. Based on the novel by John A. Keele. Starring Richard Gear, Laura Linney and Will Patton. And it is streaming on Prime. Yeah. Will Patton's a real that guy, but also real that guy, but also maybe such a that guy that he's, he's Will Patton. Again, like, yeah, he came, he came back into his own name. So Sammy has a background up and she asked if we could tell what movie she was doing based off of the background. And I, somewhere in my brain, which cannot remember a single thing dredged from my memory. You got it immediately. The Mothman Prophecies, I knew right away. I have to tell you, I don't know why I know that. I don't know anything about this movie. It's kind of like having the lyrics to a song memorized. Some of these movie posters just stayed with us and our brains and it just for those who remember or don't remember, I'll describe it. It's like kind of a, what do you call these ink? It's like a Rorschach test of like a moth with eyes, human eyes in the middle. It's like an x-ray almost to. Yeah, like reversing blood, like white on black. Yeah. And that was the poster for the movie. I don't know anything about this movie. No, truly me either. That's why I just need to say like, even though I knew exactly what it was, I did, I never knew million years would have Richard Geer and Laura Linney. Who'd freaking knew? Yeah, simply not me. Not me. Is it good? Is it like a good movie? I really like this movie. It's definitely of a time, but I think it does a lot of things, right? And I think it is genuinely like very creepy and unsettling. I'm excited. Yeah, me too. Great. It has a 52% on Rotten Tomatoes, a 52% on Metacritic. I don't know that I've ever seen those two ratings being the same. You will. And then a 6.4. And then a 6.4 on IMDB. Sure. Okay. Getting something right for once. The budget was $32 million. It made $55.2 million. Well done. And the Mothman prophecies is based on actual events in Point Pleasant, West Virginia between November 1966 and December 1967. I guess I won't go too much. I have some of the like real events that it's based on. Maybe we can talk about those after we've talked about the movie. So it's not spoilery, but it is kind of, you know, myths and legends based. And I just wrote in my trivia, speaking of myths and legends, it just feels important to remind everyone about the Richard Gere and Gerbil in his butt, Urban Legend. Yeah. Can you remind me about this? Richard Gere must be, he must hate this so much. Richard, if you're listening, just skip ahead, okay? It really has just become the first thing I think about when I think about Richard Gere 100% of the time. I'm like, Richard Gere, I don't know what the trouble is, but... Well, a lot of people think it's true. Yeah. And to be clear, I don't think it's true. Like recently, I don't think it's true. Recently, this came up, I can't even remember why, with a good coworker. And I was like, oh yeah, that thing is real. And I was like, I really don't think that it is. No, you guys, this is in the air because this is like the third one. Because this is like the third time someone has brought up the Richard Gere gerbil in his butt. I feel like I'm hearing about this constantly right now. Oh, that's, what do you call that? Buttermeinhoff effect. Oh, yes. Everyone's talking about it. Everyone's talking about it. Everyone's talking about it. And Buttermeinhoff effect gets Buttermeinhoff effected for me sometimes. Now you're going to hear about it three more times. I also just put out there that a thing that I think is coming back into lexicon is Bing Bang Boo. My love Bing Bang Boo. People are saying Bing Bang Boom in a way that they have not been for years. And I'm just telling you, and now I'm going to have, I'm making it happen as well because I'm saying it. Bing Bang Boo. But it's, I really think people are saying it again. Another one that I've heard is coming back, which I don't know, don't quote me on this is Totes. Totes. Okay. I'm more excited about Bing Bang Boom personally. I'm going to be Bing in. I'm going to be Bing in Bing. Bing Bang Boom. I'm going to bring Bing Bang Boom back. It's very Trumpian. Bing Bang Boom back. People are saying, people are saying Bing Bang Boom. But anyway, this is just to say that like I keep hearing people reference this, but can you just tell me what the, I just don't understand the full like story. I think it was like made up in tabloids. It was a rumor. I don't know the exact source of the rumor, but it was that Richard Gear had stuck a gerbil up his butt and had to go to the emergency room. To get it removed. And that was in some tabloid. And I think because it's so crazy and weird, just like really stuck in everybody's minds and has lasted to this very day. And I'm sure haunts him deeply. The Richard Gear gerbil story is notorious, entirely false 1980s urban legend alleging the act required emergency medical care to remove a rodent. Originating in the mid 1980s, it falsely claimed a friend of a friend saw the incident in a hospital. What? I would love to get in touch with that writer and find out what the hell they were thinking, how they put that together. They were like, I need, I need an idea. I need some ideas. What are some ideas? And then for that to be it. Okay. Yeah. So just want to keep that rumor alive. Wouldn't be easy to get a gerbil up your butt. But it was like sexual in nature. Was what it was understood to be. Yeah. Like it was, yeah. Just really unfortunate to have that. That's unfortunate. Yeah. Just really sticking the public mind forever. Here we are perpetuating it. I mean, it delights me. I'm not going to lie. I love it. Yeah. And I do feel for Richard Gear that this such a, like so high on the list of things that come to mind when. Sure. Also that it's having a resurgence and everyone's talking about it again. Everyone's talking about it again. Big bang boom. Bang bang boom. We cannot stop talking about it. Everybody. Everybody. Well, the trailer is pretty spoilery. So let's watch the trailer at the end. That'll be available on our Patreon. But I say, let's just get right into it. What do you say? I say, yay. I say, totes. Let's do it. Big bang boom. I saw a tweet that I really, really liked. That was if I was Bella, I would date the cold guy in the summer and the hot guy in the winter. Bing bang boom. Really? Bing bang boom. It's just fun to say. 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And he kind of hears it for a second and then just goes on with his conversation, hangs up. We see he's a reporter at the Washington Post. He's at work in the Washington Post offices. A wonderful place. Great establishment. Is the prophecy about how a megalomaniac billionaire is going to buy it and then destroy it over a year? It should be. That would have been helpful or would it? We'll find out if the prophecies are helpful. So then we see him calling, presumably his wife, Mary, saying, I'll be there soon. I'm just finishing up here. I love you. And he goes to say goodbye to his boss and we get like, he's like, I'm heading out boss and his boss is like, what my star reporter's not going to be at the Christmas party tonight. Love it. Context really made me laugh. And he says, I can't. Mary's waiting for me. And this really made me laugh. So we see him. He meets up with Mary, who's deborr messing. We're not going to talk about. We're not going to talk about that. Good. Yeah. But deborr messing is in this is she's in this movie. And that's all we're going to say. That's all we're going to say. Just the facts, man. Just the facts. So he's gone after work to meet his wife, Mary, and they are buying a house at like in at nighttime. Sure. It goes to bad time to see a house. They go straight to buying a house. He couldn't make it to the Christmas party because him and his wife are buying a house tonight. They are fooling around in the closet while the realtor is downstairs. They can't keep their hands off each other. They are so in love and they are so excited about their long future together. That's definitely going to happen. And this is just the beginning of their lives. No, we're near the end. No, we're near it. They sign the deed or lease or whatever. I've never owned a house. Actually, that's not true. I have my co-signed with my mom. Fun fact about me. So they're driving, I guess, back to their wherever they lived before because there's no furniture in this house. They can't move into it immediately. But John is Richard Gears' name, by the way. John and Mary. Yeah, there's some biblical stuff happening in this movie. Okay. Not really, but there is a few references that I'll probably... Just throw it in. Just throw it in. Why not? For some reason, John is goading Mary to drive as fast as possible. He's like, how fast can you drive this thing? We're just so excited about the house. I swear, let's speed down this street. And she's giggling and hitting the accelerator and they're going faster and faster and wildly laughing. They're having so much fun when from over a hill headlights. Wow. At first we'd think they're headlights, but then we're like, wait, but they're red. Is it brake lights? And she's kind of staring at it and then it moves very quickly toward her and it's like glowing eyes of a moth man. Looks like a little body of a moth face of a man. Okay. With glowing red eyes. Body of a moth face of a man. Interesting. I didn't know there were actually going to be moth men in this. I didn't think there were actually going to be moth men. I thought moth men was going to be like the name of a scientist who has studied the phenomena of prophecy. It's a moth man. It's like literally a moth body with a face of a man. Okay. Disappointing. Huge bummer. Okay. I'll try to contain my disappointment. Don't know what to think of this movie anymore. It's just really fucking weird, but sure. So she screams, she loses control of the car. Is he flying? It flies like right at the windshield. Got it. And like a bug. But bigger than a bug, but smaller than a man. Oh, moth man kind of split the difference between the moth and the man. What difference between a man and a moth? Which would be 50, 50, 50. I think the 50, 50 difference between a moth and a man would be like what, a duck? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a duck sized. But I will say the size of the moth man is inconsistent throughout the movie. Interesting. We can't pin the moth man down. You don't, you never see him for long enough to really. Is the head at the top of the wings? Is there a neck or just a head? Or do we never really get it close enough to know? You don't get it's real quick, but it is at the top. But I didn't get eyes on the neck. Does it look stupid? This one does. Yeah. But does it also, is it beautiful because moths are beautiful? So you guys paid attention to how beautiful moths are. Hey, did you know that plants that are pollinated by moths as opposed to bees are fragrant at night and not during the day? That that's why some flowers don't smell during the day, but they do smell at night is because they are trying to attract moths, not bees. That's huge. We have so much to learn. That is huge. Nature is so amazing. Nature is a gift that keeps on giving. That is huge. That is incredible. If you're looking for inspiration, just look up moths and you'll be endlessly inspired. People are very afraid of moths like Nicole Kidman. Moths can be fucking big. They can be really big. Okay. So are we splitting everything between a big moth? Maybe we need to get the size from a duck. And a man to like a goose. Like a peacock or a goose. Yeah. Okay. Let's stay here longer. It's just a confusing visual for me, but I think we should move on. It's a confusing visual to see in the movie as well. It looks bad. It looks like it was made in 2002, but are the eyes like a wings? Like this? No, the eyes are on the head. Eyes are on the head. The eyes are normal man eyes, but they're red and they're glowing. Red and glowing and flies into the windshield. And it's scary. Really scary. So they crash, Mary hits her head really hard. It looks bad. Yeah. They go to the hospital. John is okay. He did not get injured. John's at her bedside in the hospital as she like comes to after being unconscious. She's acting way different than before. She seems terrified. She's looking all around the room, just like completely terrified of her surroundings. And he's trying to calm her down. Like it's okay. Like it's me. You're okay. And she says, you didn't see it. Did you? Like see what? What are you talking about? So clearly only she has seen the moth man. And then when she real, she kind of like a little bit comes to and she realizes he hasn't seen it. And then she like starts crying and says something's wrong with me, which I don't know. Like that moment really hit me. I was just like, oh, be so scary. And it also, sorry, it's such a tangent, but it really reminded me of in the, in the bachelor set, when women are eliminated, they're like, what's wrong with me? Why didn't he like me? And when men are eliminated, they're like, what's wrong with her? Why didn't she like me? And that is the crux of that's the crux of it. Yeah. But I was kind of thinking that here, like if this was a man that saw them off man, they'd be like, well, I saw, I saw what I saw and it was real. And she's like, something's wrong with me and I needed like a brain scan. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, this is, that's, that's kind of, that's going to send me down a path in my brain. Oh no, no, no. Oh no, I feel, I feel it happening. I've forgotten, I've forgotten walking the path. Yeah. Oh, oh, oh, turn around, turn around. Turn around or something. So they do an MRI and find a tumor in her temporal lobe. And sometime is passing, he's speaking to one of his coworkers and describing this for him and for us, the audience. And, you know, this, they say it happened. It's not related to the accident. They just found it because of the accident and they've operated on it and taken out as much as they can and now shall be going through chemo. And he says to his coworker, it just feels like sometimes the universe just points at you and says, oh, there you are. I've been looking for you. Oh, I don't like that. Just kind of like the whole, the whole question of this movie. Right. Um, so then we go back to the hospital with Mary after brain surgery, still a full, beautiful head of hair. Sure. No need to really, I don't know why I got a pick on that, but I was like, oh, she just had brain surgery and, and. They didn't shave her head at all. They didn't do anything. How did they get in there? How'd they get in? That's where the brain is. They go through the nose. They go through the nose. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Um, but this scene sad. So she's looking at him and she's like apologizing and he's like, what are you apologizing for? And she's just like, I feel like I ruined everything. It made me feel really sad. She's like really. Taking too much responsibility for something that's very outside her control. Yeah. And she tells him that she just wants him to be happy. Oh, honey. And John is really trying to keep a brave face and like, it's going to be okay. Like we're going to get through this. Uh, but when he's at home one day, the phone rings, everything goes into slow motion. There's like that ear ringing sound. He runs to the hospital, but it is too late. Oh, that was fast. Yeah. And as he's in her now empty hospital room, like gathering her belongings, one of the nurses comes in and said she knew she was drawing angels and like points to a little book. You mean Mothman? Mothman, Mothman, Mothman. Why does this angel have the face of a man and a body of a mom? It's all a matter of perspective. Angel to you, Mothman to me. Uh, yeah, these are very scary drawings, kind of typical horror movie drawings of like black scribbles, red eyes. I love the perspective of that nurse, you know. Yeah, really, really sweet. Uh, and so John is obviously very disturbed by this staring at this, remembering her saying, you didn't see it, did you? And he like looks at the car. I guess he didn't look at it before, after they got in a car accident. Maybe I guess it was like in the lot. Impounded or something. In the shop. In the shop. But it has like a burn on the front of it. Like it's a triangle shaped burn in the grill or whatever you call it. Car part, car front part. So, uh, then we get some text two years later. Jumping ahead. You see him back at work. One that the same coworker that's his friend is trying to introduce him to a woman saying, you know, I have someone I'd like you to meet. She's no Mary, but like obviously no one ever will be. And John is not interested. He's not, he's not ready. And he's, he's got to, uh, he's got to be in Richmond, Virginia in the morning. And so he's like, I got to, I can't not tonight and maybe another time. I got to drive to Virginia tonight. Uh, so that night he is driving and his car breaks down on the side of the road. But it like powers down. All the lights go off. He tries to use his cell phone. The cell phones off not working as well. And he like looks at his watch and the watch is like not ticking. And it's 2 30 in the morning. He gets out of his car and he's kind of like sensing something watching him. And this is what this movie does really well or maybe overdoes a little bit. Like so much of this movie is Richard gear. Just like wide eyed, like listening and sensing and like being creeped out by just like nothing's, nothing's there. But it's, I think effectively creepy. He's always on edge. So he walks to the closest house, knocks on the door. It's like, I'm so sorry. I know it's late, but my car broke down just down the road. I'm wondering if I can use your phone and we see at the door is will Patton that guy. And he calls into his wife inside and is like, it's him. John's like confused, obviously. And it's 2 30 in the morning. He's not in the morning. Yeah. Got it. Got it. Got it. And will Patton says, I've been waiting for you. And then he pulls a shotgun on him and grabs him and pulls him inside and is like screaming at him and is saying like, what do you want with me? Like, why do you keep bothering? Why do you keep doing this? Obviously, John has no fucking idea what's going on. He's trying to say like, I think you have me confused or something. I don't know what's happening. His wife has like called the police in during this. She's also seeming like she's trying to calm him down and in walks top cop, Laura Linney. Whoa, a woman. Yeah, you better believe it. In 2002. Oh my God. I know. And her name's Connie and she is this is a seemingly small town. So she like knows everybody. She's like, okay, Gordon, like, why don't we put the gun down? Tell me what's going on here. And Gordon lowers the gun and he explains this guy has been showing up at my door at 230 every morning for the last three nights. Whoa. And John is like, I don't know. I've never been here before. I don't know what he's talking about. And Connie asks, Will Patton's name is Gordon. Connie asks Gordon's wife, like, did you see this man before? And Connie's like, no, but I did hear the knocking at the door. And Connie eventually is like, okay, let me just everyone relax. Like, I'm going to, I'm going to take care of this. John, you come with me and Gordon and you guys just. Have a good night. I don't remember, I guess exactly how it ends, but she defuses the situation. You guys just, you guys just have a good night. She handles it. She's tough. She knows what she's doing. God, she's great. Okay. So this movie is giving like memento meets the butterfly effect. Anything that's like anyone caught in time is fun to me. Yeah. Time, well, we'll get into it because this is. Yeah. I mean, I'm not. Yeah, we'll see. So Connie takes John to a nearby motel and he's like, are you going to arrest me? Or, or, and she's like, no, you did. I like believe you that you didn't do anything and some like, we've been having some weird things happening around town lately. And so I'm not that surprised at this. And he asks like, what do you mean? And she says, people have just been reporting a lot of weird things and not like, like, I know these people, like good, regular people, all people that I've known like my whole life are just like seeing some really weird stuff lately. And so let me just set you up at this motel and then we'll get your car fixed and you can head on your way or whatever. He's like, okay, thank you. And she drops him off at a motel. He goes to check in and asks, like, where, where am I on the map? There's like a map on in the desk between them. And he's like, oh, we're right, right on the border. And we see John like looking at the map on the border between Virginia. Oh, because he says that they're in, sorry, my East Coast geography is not great, but he was heading to Richmond and he is in now West Virginia. So he's like looking at the, the border between West Virginia and Virginia, assuming he's somewhere there and the motel clerk is like, no, the border by Ohio. And so he's like 400 miles further than he thought. And we just see him being like so perplexed by this. And again, calling this exposition coworker to be like, I drove 400 miles in an hour. Like it doesn't make sense. But this shit really does creep me out when there's like loss of time and it would feel, it would be so scary and disorienting. Yeah. Did you guys wait? Did you guys hear about? Wasn't the guy who's supposed to run FEMA the one who keeps talking about how he's teleported twice? He like said that he got in his car and the next thing he knew, he was like at a gas station, like 20 miles away. And he's like, I teleported. And it's like, no, this man just has like a substance abuse problem. Yeah, buddy. I think he just like blacked out for a little while. I don't think that that's teleport, but he's out here like telling everyone he teleports. Well, sure. I mean, I'm not like deep into this world, but this movie is very in like the UFO lore type of thing as well of just sightings and strange stories like this. Duncan loves this shit, but. Me too. Me too. To be clear, I don't trust this FEMA guy, but sometimes unexplainable things do happen to people. Yeah. I do think there's more out there than we are experiencing. So he, the next day, finds Gordon in town to try to like smooth things over with him. And Gordon is like, Connie told me that she checked you out and that you are like, not anyone that I should be worrying about, but like, I'm not crazy. And I saw you. I don't know what's going on, but yeah, like weird things have been going on. And John says like, I don't know how I got here. I last night drove for what felt like an hour and traveled like impossible distance. And so they're now kind of like bonding about like, okay, weird things happening and weird things are happening. And on that we can agree. We can figure it out together. So that night, John perches up outside of Gordon's house to see if he can maybe like spot whoever is coming at 2 30 every night. And as he's like hiding in the bushes or whatever, he's in, he's like parked his car so he can watch from his car. And Connie knocks on his window and is like, I thought I might find you here. She's like, I also am curious. So they like get in the car together and they're sitting and watching Gordon's house at 2 30 in the morning. And she's saying a little bit more about the strange things that have been going on. And as she's trying to explain, she's like, you know what, it's hard to explain. It's easier if I just show you. So she takes him to the station. We're not going to watch the house anymore. 2 30 comes and goes and nothing happens. It's like, you guys gave up really fast. But she takes him to the station and just shows him like all the police files for everything, which I like. I guess he's a reporter, but I was like, is this the policy here? You just show like, okay, what? All right. But she is showing him all the little case files and we're getting like images of someone's like, I is bleeding. And then she says, you know, what do you do when someone calls you and tells you they saw this in their backyard and hands him a drawing of I'm off man. Exactly what his wife drew before her death. He's wide eyed, shocked like who showed you this. I want to speak to whoever drew this. So this is the next day now, not at 2 30 in the morning. They go to the woman who said who drew the photo. She takes them outside her house and points to this tree and says it was as tall as this tree. So about eight feet tall, bigger than a man, bigger than a man. He's grown glowing red eyes. And she was inside when she saw it. And she said, I like just like felt like I couldn't, I couldn't move. I don't know how much time passed and then it just disappeared. So now John is on the case. He's like, all right, whatever I was, I can't actually even remember what he was supposed to do in the first place. Like he was going to Richmond for a reason. Right. Well, he's very far from Richmond at this point. So I guess, I guess someone else is someone else's. I think he was supposed to talk to the governor, interview the governor for some reason. Boring. Boring. He's got a better, better story now. So I think they get somebody else on the governor thing and he's like, I'm staying here. I'm on to something big. So now he's talking to all the people in town. He's getting all of the stories from the people who have reported things to the police. And one guy he speaks to says that he was just getting call after call of just like electrical buzzing and breathing and like creepy electrical sounding noises. And he thought it was like prank phone calls. So he changed the number. He got a new phone number and before he gave the number out to anybody, the calls just continued. Then he speaks to a young couple who say that they were making out in the back of a car one night and saw a glowing orb type thing. This one we just see images of, it's like a reenactment type thing. Like we're going back to their memory and it's them making out in just like this really bright light that is like, seems like it's almost like painful for them to look at. Like headlights nowadays. Like headlights. Yes. And are they on a hill? Are they on a hill? You're not on a hill, but they might as well be. And that afterwards the young man's eyes swelled up. And he like went to the doctor and it was unexplained. They had no idea why it happened. And one of his eyes is still like, has like burst blood vessels and it's like a red bloody eye. He's like this one never fully healed. Nobody knows what happened. And that one, just to refer back to the true story, that one was a real one that this like happened to somebody that they said that they saw like a bright light and it damaged their eyes. I will talk more about it. That feels like a check. Yeah. No, no, sorry. The creepy part of it is that like it's they felt like they were looking at it for a few minutes and then it was two hours past. Oh, yeah, that's creepy. That's creepy. Yeah. So he's back in his motel now when the phone rings and we're hearing again some of that electrical static and like almost like a breathing sound. And then the line clicks dead. And again, Richard Geer is, you know, it's like the hairs on the back of his neck are standing up and he's just looking around at everything sensing, sensing creepy creepy. And the next day he runs into Gordon again. And Gordon tells him that last night he was looking in the mirror and he saw something in it that wasn't him. And he's like, I don't know what it was and I can't describe it, but it sure as shit wasn't me. And then my phone rang. No, he says, and then I heard like a howl coming up from the sink. Eww. And a voice emanated from it and said Denver 999 will die. Denver 999 will die. And then over and over, I wrote it down and look where I wrote it down. This drawing is on there too. And I didn't draw that. And it's of course the same drawing that we've seen of the Mothman. Denver 999 will die. This reminds me there's a, there's a commercial for some fucking law firm. We're watching Top Chef now because Top Chef is back on, which means we have to watch a Peacock where there are commercials. There's a law firm that's, phone number is 1-800-500-000000 and their commercial goes, call 1-800-5 million. And it makes us laugh so hard every time. 1-800-5 million. Hey, it's catchy. I'm remembering it. It's really good. It's working. I don't know what the law firm is for, but if I find myself in need. It's personal injury, it's gotta be. 1 trillion, 800 billion, 500 billion, call 1 trillion, 800 billion, 500 billion. God, it makes me laugh. So after Gordon tells him this, Gordon's ear starts bleeding. They take him to the doctor. The way my ear bleeding is really freaky. Makes me think of your eardrum bursting. Yeah, and it's like, it's just weird that there is just the same old interior body stuff just right there in your ear. Yeah. Yeah. It's just right there. Just right there. And that it's a whole straight into there. It's a whole straight in there. It's like, it's like, wait a minute, wait a minute. Why did we do that? They take him to the doctor, check it out. Nothing is diagnosably wrong with him. So they go to a diner afterwards and they're like mulling over what the hell is going on here. Something so weird is happening. And just don't say like my wife drew this. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I was going to ask the same question. Yes. He has told that to Gordon and to Connie. So while they're in their booth at the diner, they hear a breaking news report. John looks up at the TV and there has been a plane crash flight Denver nine and all 99 people aboard have died. Scary. They're both like, what the fuck? No, this scene is so good because I mean, that would be. It's like validating in all the wrong ways. Yeah. That would be so unfortunate to experience. Yeah. Cause like what do you, what, what do we do with this? What do we, what do we do? We're about to find out maybe. We got to get Lori Linnie on the case. We got to get Lori Linnie on the case. That's the first step. Actually, I don't know how we get from A to B here, but they find a guy who has written some book about like the unexplainable and. You got to get an expert, a demonologist in the phone book. An expert in the field. I cannot for the life of me remember how they come upon this, but they're like, well, we got to find this guy and talk to him. So they, and this is like a little meta because the movie is based on a book written by a guy named John Keel. And this guy's name is Alexander Leek. Keel spelled backwards. Oh my God. Genius. And the guy who wrote the book, John Keel says that he did have like premonitions and stuff. So any who, they find Alexander and they're like, we got to talk to this guy. John tracks him down and shows him the drawings and says, like, I think you might know something about this. And Alexander is definitely, we see recognition in his eyes. He asks, where are they seeing it? And he says in a place called Point Pleasant, West Virginia. And he's like, well, something really bad is going to happen there. And like, you should leave. You shouldn't be there. I see also like, also my wife who lives in this place, who died. Right. No, he doesn't tell him that. Okay. I don't think that good point. Maybe that happened to the wife to bring him to the place. Exactly. Exactly. You can't just walk away from a haunting when they're attached to you. When it involves your wife's death. Yeah, otherwise you could just get right the hell out of there. Yeah. So that's all Alexander says. And then is like, I don't want to, I don't want anything to do with this. And John goes back to tell Connie Gordon had a premonition and it came true. And she's asking, like, did he describe like, are these like visions or dreams? And John says it's like, it sounds like almost dreamlike, but to him it's very real. And we see Lorelynne's face, like she's like. Kind of like the one I'm having. She's like, so say this is happening to my friend. So I know someone. Yes. She says, I had a dream like that. And she describes it. And she says in my dream, I was in the middle of the ocean and I was drowning and there were presents all around floating in the ocean and I was trying to hold on to one to save myself, but I couldn't grab on to anything. And eventually I just started sinking like a rock to the bottom of the ocean. And I felt very peaceful like I had let go finally and I was OK with it. And then a voice said, wake up number 37 and I woke up. This moth is really into numbers. What are you up to, man? What are you up to? So the next day, John gets a call from Gordon and Gordon says, I saw him. And John's like, what? You saw who he's like. Also, Gordon is like, as all this is happening, everyone is seeming like less and less of a reliable narrator. It's kind of like everyone is simultaneously like having their own like spiral into madness, but also like it's real, but it seems so crazy. And so it's and also any time there's ever a phone call, there's like question about the validity of the phone call because the entity, the moth man seems capable of making phone calls and impersonating voices. OK. So but Gordon tells John that he saw the moth man and we see a vision of what Gordon saw and it's all very blurred and hard to see, but he's like sees this tall man like figure coming out of this building and it's lit in such a way that you can't distinguish any clear features. A building lit in such a way. And he says that he approached him. He looked like a man, but wrong. More like a ma. The vision that we see doesn't look all that mothy. But yeah, so Gordon says he said, do not be afraid. My name is injured cold. One more time. Indrid cold. Sorry, I can't have heard that right. What was it? Indrid cold. Indrid. Indrid. In in in red writing this in my notes. I know I know I like oh you must mean Ingrid. I'm like no. I mean in I mean in dread cold. So in dread says do not be afraid. My name is injured cold. In a place this size equator 300 will die. And this is Gordon re now re again retelling this to John. John's like I don't understand what does that mean? What are you talking about? And then Gordon pulls out newspaper from that morning that there has been an earthquake in Ecuador 300 people have been killed. And Gordon's seeming like kind of less freaked out by this somehow he's like I get it like I'm starting to get it. And it's real like this is real and John is not on the same page and he's like I don't understand I don't know what you're talking about. So John goes back to Connie. I think he's like he's feeling worried about Gordon and like something's going on. I don't know. And as they're like talking John gets a call from Gordon. They're in John's motel room and Gordon says I'm here with him. I'm here with Ingrid. Ingrid. Oh no. Oh no. He pronounced Ecuador equator but his name I've clarified is Ingrid specifically in that's correct. That's his name. He keeps going come one more time. The connection is bad because that's not. One more time. I can't be hearing that right. First name Ingrid last name Cole. And he's like the guy from my dream. He's here now. He's here now. I'm here with Ingrid. Cool. John gives Connie. Cold. Ingrid cool. Ingrid cold. So John gives Connie a signal like go to Gordon's like check on Gordon right now. So Connie runs out. John stays on the phone and says let me talk to him. I'd like to talk to Ingrid. And he says okay yeah here you go. And the voice that comes through on the other and sounds like I mean I think it is like five voices layered together. Oh freaky. And it's kind of high pitched and it says hello John. And he's like okay who is this? Who is this really? And his Ingrid just starts reciting facts about John's life that no one but him could know. He's like your dad was born in this town and you grew up in a greenhouse on this. He just like goes off and is just like here's your whole life. Ingrid just goes off. He fucking goes off. And John is like okay you have my attention. And then John takes his watch and drops it in his shoe and slides his shoe under the bed. And he says where's my watch? And Ingrid says in your shoe under the bed. And then John reaches into the bedside drawer and grabs something. We don't see what it is. He says what am I holding in my hand right now? And the voice goes. Chapstick. Is that what you and your mom go through all the time? He opens his hand and we see chapstick. And that is how my mom and I asked each other for chapstick for the rest of our lives. That's really good. Chapstick. That's really good. It's such a funny word to say so creepy. Chapstick. Then Ingrid says a few more creepy things. And he starts talking about Mary and he's like you can't find Mary by looking. You will see her in time. And are we ever like what's your deal? Yeah like who? Before I'd be like where's my watch? I would ask what do you want? Why are you here? I think he does. And Ingrid is like basically saying things like you're not speaking in riddles. And like you wouldn't be able to comprehend. Like what? Fuck and try me Ingrid. Jesus. So we cut to Connie arriving at Gordon's house and knocking on the door. And Gordon has been asleep this whole time. Whoa. So who's on the phone? So Ingrid was pretending to be Gordon. Ingrid is so tricky. Where is Ingrid? In Ingrid's room. Ingrid is with John. Ingrid is everywhere. Ingrid is everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere. Was John just, is this movie going to end like John was like in a car accident in the beginning and he's been dead the whole time? No. Okay. Thanks. I'm really glad. So John had recorded the phone call. He's a reporter. He's got, he's got a reporter. He's a star reporter. And he takes it to be analyzed and they're looking at it at the like, you know, they're analyzing it. And they say that this couldn't have come from human vocal cords. Best I can tell this is an electrical signal. Like the noises were made electric. Can they hear what they were saying or does it just sound like static to them? They can hear it. Okay. So he goes back to, he finds Alexander again. And it's like, listen, I really need to talk. I really need, we've reached the point in the movie where you have to tell me everything. I need all the information. And Alexander says similar things to Ingrid where he's like, we won't, we won't be able to understand. Like you can ask all the questions you want and you're never going to get answers. And I was in your position at a time and I was getting premonitions and nobody would believe me. I almost got arrested. These people thought I was like causing the accidents. A lot of people died. I never prevented any deaths. My wife left me. Everyone thought I was insane. I spent four years in a psychiatric facility. My children stopped talking to me. It ruined my whole life. So eventually the, like, I realized that the answer to the question of like what was happening did not matter as much as like my life and life. When did he write the book? I'm just curious. Did he write, was the act of writing the book what made him go crazy? Or did he write the book like after the whole thing was over? I think after. I don't know. I'm just curious. Okay. So basically Alexander is just telling him like you have to stop. Like it's, it will. It's only going to harm you. You're not going to be able to control any of this. But Richard Geer doesn't like that. Yeah, but John's either. Neither does the audience. I would start with Porter. I think I can find out all the answers. Also my wife's already dead. Yeah. What's the worst you can do? So I'm going to keep going, I think. Yeah. We solved that problem at the beginning. So John's back at his motel. He's unraveling. He's not looking great. He's looking in the mirror now and like we're seeing Richard Geer in the mirror. It's looking like him, but he's looking like that's not what he's seeing. And then he has a vision of like smashing his head into the mirror. Bit of a jump scare. But then it didn't happen. It's just a, he's imagining it. And then he gets snapped out of it by the phone ringing call from Gordon. You never know. You never know. And it does. It does always have like enough of a staticky effect on it that no phone calls can be trusted. He answers. Gordon says, it's real, John. He was right. He was right about everything. And John is like, where are you, Gordon? Where are you? And he says, it's okay, John. You don't have to be scared. I'll see you in time and hangs up. John rushes to Gordon's house. It's empty. Gordon's wife has left him in here somewhere as well. Okay. And so his house is empty. All the doors are open. He's calling out to him. Nobody's there. And he's searching like the perimeter of the house and finds Gordon dead in the woods next to his house, like propped up against a tree. The police and paramedics arrive. Connie is there. And Connie tells him it looks like he's been dead for about eight hours. He died of exposure. What time did he call you? John says he called me like an hour ago. I think Laura Linney in this part says, I don't like this. It don't like this. Not to get too upset here, but I don't like this. I'm not a fan of what this whole thing that's happening. I really don't like that. I'll see you in time. Time has never sounded so menacing. Yeah. Then I think we jump in time a little bit to the funeral, Gordon's funeral. And one of the town's people comes up to John afterwards and is like, I got your voicemail. Uh-oh. John is confused. In red. In red. And the man says, I don't know why you were warning me about an accident at the chemical plant. There's never been an accident there. And John is just like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Obviously I have to go do more investigating and he's like, something's going to happen at the chemical plant, obviously. But Sammy, nothing's ever happened at the chemical plant. So nothing ever will. That's how it works. He goes to the police station to find Connie to, you know, say something bad's going to happen. You know, you're not going to be able to get to the chemical plant. You have to believe me. As he's walking in, we see Deborah messing, walking out. He doesn't notice her. He doesn't see her. He doesn't see her. Oh no. She's looking pretty ragged. But alive. And then he goes into touch Connie and she says, did you see the woman that just was in here? She was looking for you. And he's like, what? No, what woman? She said she wanted to see if you were happy. And he runs out to try to see. Nobody's there. He pulls a photo of her out of his wallet and is showing it to Connie. Like, was this her? Was this her? Connie knows that that's his dead wife. So she's like, her wheels are spinning as well. And she's like, uh, yeah. Her hair was pretty different. She doesn't want to be like, yeah, yeah, it was your dead wife. Um, and he's really freaking out. He goes back to the motel phone rings. It's just electrical static on the other. And, uh, there's a lot of voicemails that have been left of just static buzzing. And then it rings again. He answers again. And we hear Ingrid's voice. And Ingrid says, I'm sorry, John. I feel like I ruined everything. It's using her words. That's what his wife said. She's using her words against them. Ingrid, cut the shit. What is Andrew's fucking end game, Jude? Come on. Mike, what do you want? And then he says, a great tragedy on the Ohio river. Who's 37? Have we learned that yet? Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Uh, so then he gets a call from his coworker who's like, hey, we'd like, you've been spending a lot of time out there. We kind of, are you getting anywhere? Like, we kind of need you back here. The governor is going to this chemical plant. Can you go co-cover that? And John is like, ding, ding, ding. Oh, 37th governor. What number chemical plant? What deli order did they order beforehand? Number 37 is the order. Oh, the chemical plant is on the Ohio river. Yes. And it's called Chernobyl. It's called mini-turnobyl. Alexander said that there's Mothman sightings at Chernobyl. He talks about how like the sightings had always happened before a terrible event. Mothman on the Titanic. Mm-hmm. So Richard Gere, John is like, okay, I got to go stop the governor from going to this chemical plant. He rushes to the airport. Not the governor. It doesn't work that way. You can't stop it once it started. Can't save any lives. Can't save anyone. He, yeah, basically it costs the governor like as he's getting off an airplane and is like, you can't go to the chemical plant. It's got a great tragedy seeming very insane to the point where yeah, the governor is like, I think you should call the head of the Washington Post and like get that guy fired. But so it does nothing. Then he goes to Connie and is like trying to beg her to like leave with him. Like something really bad is going to happen. We have to go. Connie's like, I'm not going to live my life like that. Like no, I'm not doing that. But John, you should. You don't live here. Yeah, go to your actual home. Like you knew Gordon for like four days. Get out of here, dude. Yeah. So she tells him injured cold might be real to you, but he's not real to me. Okay. He's in the diner and a news report comes on about the chemical plant and he is like, turn it up. Here we go. And the news report is like the governor toured the chemical plant today and it went great. And he gave it an A plus rating and it's like a real news report about how great it was. The tour was and this really rattles John. He's confused. And then the hostess comes up to him and says, you got a message, hands him a little note. There's a little typed note inside that says, Mary will call you Friday at noon at your home in Washington in DC. So he's like, okay, I got to go. I got to go back. I got to go back to DC. Okay. Connie notices this like shift and Connie's obviously just worried about him generally. He's seeming pretty unwell. But he leaves. He goes home and he's just like, it's Friday, presumably, and he's just like staring at the phone waiting for the call. It's a couple minutes to noon. He's just waiting, waiting, waiting for the call. Phone rings. Not quite noon yet. And it's Connie. And she says, says, Hey, John, I was wondering if we could just talk for about 10 to 15 minutes. And he looks at the clock and is like, I don't really have time right now. Can I call you back? And we see Connie, like we see her on her end of the phone line. So it is her. Okay. And she says, I booked you a flight back here for Christmas. It's Christmas, I guess the next day or something. And you should be around the people who love you, John. Yeah. She's like, there has been like some tension, some chemistry between them. I see. In pretty awkward moments where they're like, I don't know, dealing like with really intense things. Like tamp it down a bit. Yeah. But she says she doesn't want him to be alone on Christmas. And I want you to be here when the big accident happens. Can you meet me at the chemical plant for Christmas? I just want to have a chemical plant Christmas with you. And he's sounding pretty manic and he's like, he's like, Connie, I can stop it. I can stop whatever is going to happen. I'm going to be, I'm going to figure it out and I'm going to stop it. I'm going to stop what the something's going to happen and I'm going to stop it from happening. And she's like very sad eyes. She's like, John, no, you're not like you can't stop anything. Even if you stopped one thing, like there's always going to be earthquakes. There's always going to be accidents. The people you love are going like they'll die. Everyone will die event. Like you can't control any of it. No matter what that voice might tell you. And that scene is really emotional. He starts like sobbing and he's like, she's going to call me. She's going to call me and Connie says, no, she's not John. She's dead. And even if it's her voice, it's not her. And I don't know where Mary is, but I don't think she's anywhere near injured. Cole and cold, excuse me. And he's like really, really sobbing and he's just says, I miss, I miss her so much. And Connie's like, I know you do. I know you do. And he's like, okay, I'll come, I'll come back. And he hangs up and he's getting ready to leave when the phone rings right at 12 on the dot. And he's staring at it. It's ringing and ringing. And he's like crying and upset, but instead of answering it, he pulls the line out of the wall. And then it starts ringing again. And he runs out of the house. He's driving back to Point Pleasant, even though she bought him a flight. Yeah. But yeah, the logistics there, I'm a little blurry on, but he's heading back. He's going back to West Virginia, right? West Virginia. Mama, take me home, country roads. He's listening to that? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. That's the vibe. So he gets to, I guess it's like the bridge into Point Pleasant and it is so backed up. There's like a traffic light problem happening. So this bridge just has one million cars on it. And we see that Connie is on the other side of the bridge. She's also stuck in this traffic. It's just gridlock. Nobody can move. And John gets out and wouldn't you believe it? He starts sensing something. We're getting close-ups on his ears and on his fingers and on his feet also for some reason. His feet. He's sensing from everywhere. And he's like whispering to himself, great tragedy on the Ohio River. And we see that this bridge is indeed going over the Ohio River. No, the bridge is not. We'll get there. We'll get there. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So we're having a buddy get out of your cars. Get off of the bridge. And he sees the young guy that had the eyes that swelled up is in his car like on the middle of the bridge. He's banging on his window just being like, Get out of the car. You need to get off the bridge right now. And his music's up really loud. So we can't hear him. He's like what? What? And we're seeing like little screws in the bridge kind of straining and it's feeling kind destination-y or it's like things are in motion. This bridge is coming down. And sure enough, one of the like metal support wires snaps and like flings down, smashes through the windshield of this guy's car and like kills him somehow. And it said in one of the trivia is that this is a time that you see them off man. I didn't see him in this, but I guess maybe in some cut of this, it was like similar to the Debra Messing scene where you get a little flash. Is he like flying on the wire like? Wee! Is that the vibe? Yeah, that's the vibe. And then the bridge just starts collapsing. We've got like a hundred cars on this bridge. You know I'm bad at this, but that's my guess. And it's collapsing. Cars are falling into the river below. Connie is at the like other end of the bridge. And she's also like kind of running car to car trying to get people out of their cars to safety. And she runs back to her car to call for backup. And something happens that she gets like knocked unconscious. I think something like hits the car and she hits her head. And so now she's unconscious in her car. The scene is like, it feels like very final destination. We're seeing a lot of expensive look in cars falling into water. This is, I mean, it doesn't look amazing, but it's pretty epic. And I had no memory of this scene at all. So kind of interesting to see it. I was like, oh, all I remember was the chapsic. So they had both kind of been making their way towards the middle of the bridge. Now the middle of the bridge is gone. It's fallen, crashed into the water below. And John is kind of standing on the edge of the side of the bridge that he was on. And he can see Connie in her patrol vehicle as it's sliding down into the water. And he, of course, jumps in after her even though there's so much falling debris. It's extremely, extremely dangerous. And he's able to, yeah, like pretty easily seemingly swim down to her car and get her out of there. And there's like a perfect air pocket in her car that they can like breathe in. She's still unconscious, but he grabs her, he pulls her out. We're seeing presents floating everywhere. Oh, Christmas, Christmas. For premonition, okay. And the camera pulls, get like a wide overhead shot that pulls back. We're seeing all like the headlights in the water as he pulls her up to the top and they're surrounded with presents. Okay, so you can save someone? With probably no consequences. So it does work, full proof. Okay, I don't know, keep going. I don't know. I don't know what happened today. So we come back up a little while later as we see like the search and rescue team pulling bodies out of the water is a mass casualty event. I'm in training for this in my cert classes. So I would be really helpful on the scene here. We see John wrapped in a blanket, just taking in the chaos of the scene. And then we pan to reveal Connie, also wrapped in like the foil blanket sitting on the back of an ambulance. She's pretty out of it. And she's like, oh, you are here. I thought I was dreaming. And he's like, no, I'm here. This is real. And then a firefighter walks up to them like sheriff, just so you know, total number 36 people died. And she's like, 36, wake up number 37. And her and John like look at each other like, and then they like lean into each other and just like lean their heads on, like huddled together. So Indrid's kind of good. Indrid's a good guy. And the camera pulls out. We get some text that says the cause of the bridge collapse was never determined. Although sightings have continued around the world, Mothman was never seen in point pleasant again. And that's the end of the movie. What? So Indrid's like, I'm not the good or the bad guy here. I'm just telling it like it is. Yeah. Yeah. He's just like here. You didn't actually get in the way of my prophecy. Like that was the prophecy. Yeah. So I'm still in control. Ha ha ha. Wow. Okay. That was fun. I like these movies. That was fun. I like these mystery movies, you know? And I, why is his name Indrid? It was like it has to be an anagram for something, but Indrid cold. I'm googling it because like that is what a choice to never explain. Yeah. I guess let's talk a little bit about the, what it's based on. About Indrid. Tell us the lore. Well, so in point pleasant, there were apparently like a hundred or so residents that reported seeing a six to seven foot tall winged creature with glowing red eyes. It was actually described more bird-like than moth-like. A lot of people saw like feathers. Beacock. And now a lot of people think it might have been barred owls like off their migratory path. Oh. So people like weren't used to seeing such large birds. Big freaky owls, yeah. But I didn't know about Indrid cold, so tell us about Indrid cold, Emily. It's just that. It's the moth man. I don't know why his name is Indrid cold. Okay. It says, cold was initially named by West Virginia, but it was called the contactee Woodrow Darenburg. Woodrow, yeah. At a press conference. He described cold was a male humanoid extraterrestrial. Known as the grinning man or smiling man, ew. Really spooky. I don't like that. But it does, yeah, just come from that encounter. Ew, Indrid cold. On Reddit, Indrid cold, a West Virginian alien. Oh, really weird. It's believed that he's connected with the men in black. Oh. Wow. Commonly associated with UFO activity. This shit is really fascinating to me, but it also kind of, I was reminded of when we did that bonus episode on cursed films, where you like try to attribute explanations to the unexplainable. It feels like a coping mechanism of dealing with some sort of big tragedy. The cruel randomness of life. But that said, I do enjoy, I am fascinated by all of this. I might have to read this book, The Mothman Prophecies. I bet it'd be fun. And also all the sightings are like, it was a big scary man, it was a big man smiling at me. And it's like, no, that might just have been a man. It might have just been a big scary man. And it was scary, but just a man. Just a big, just a man being scary. I mean, well not just, but. Fascinating, okay. Fascinating. Also the thing about 100 people seeing it, it's like, you have to wonder if. It becomes like, like, cool. I was wrong to have seen it, yeah. Yeah, I saw him, right. I saw him too. I'm near the list. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not left out at all, because I saw him 100%. So is this, maybe I'm gonna start saying this is my favorite Christmas movie. Yeah, I was gonna say it's Christmas. This is a Christmas movie, that's fun. This counts. This and Die Hard. Yep, yep, yep. Although one thing I'll say to complicate the picture is that in her dream, in Laura Lenny's dream, she was at peace and happy to have died. True. Maybe she was at peace because she knew she was gonna get saved. Oh, okay, maybe. Or Richard Gere really fucked that up for her. Now she was falling, she was at peace, because she was like, I'm gonna be just fine. Also the like post-text that says the cause of the bridge collapse was never determined is not true. So there really was a bridge collapse and it actually killed 46 people. Damn. But the cause was determined by like, there were too many cars on it. It just couldn't support the weight. Oh, that feels like a thing that should not be allowed to happen. Yeah. It didn't have. Don't put a light at the end of a bridge or put gates up so that only put the light before the bridge. Yeah, I hope they made some changes in the bridge industry after this happened. In the bridge industry, I don't love. They're like, there's actually no explanation. It was aliens. There's nothing we could have done differently. It was aliens. We didn't do anything wrong actually. We couldn't be determined. Couldn't be determined what caused it actually. Life is out of our control. I definitely saw a big guy named Indrid. So it's probably that. Indrid cold. Yeah. Indrid gold. Fascinating. Very interesting. Fascinating stuff. Very interesting. Yeah, I'm of two minds about it because part of me is like, well, conspiracy theory. Like I do think there's like a sinister side of getting too deep into the lore of things like this, but it just has that really strong a lore where I am like, I want to know everything. But. I was on a TikTok algorithm for a while where I was getting a lot of stories of people talking about their like glitch in the matrix stories, but these were specific time glitches. It was a lot of stories coming from a lot of nurses who like were driving to work or driving home from like driving to the hospital. Like there was always a situation with a nurse on a highway and time doing things that it was not supposed to be doing. And I trust, I trust it because I trust nurses. They're definitely not overworked and massively sleep deprived. And. Just on a 48 hour shift. Yeah. Right. It's the weirdest thing. It's all these nurses. My TikTok algorithm for a time was that specific. I was getting a lot of those videos. Interesting. Yeah. It's gotta be, it has to be completely 100% real. I think so. Fascinating. Have you guys ever had that happen to you though where you thought that it had only been like a couple of minutes and it actually been a couple of hours or anything like strange like that? Not anything that big, but I mean, I definitely like arrived at a place and been had the realization that I can't recall a single second of getting there. Being like, I've been driving my car for 20 minutes and like, did I exist? Like if something crazy happened, would I have read just like, you know? Yeah. Definitely had that before. Sometimes I think about that cause I read a blog post from someone one time being like, and I can't even remember like the stories I read my kid last night. And now I'm like, do I ever remember the stories I read? Like I try to, I read the stories and I put them to bed and then I'm like, we just read three books. 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