Ep 611 - Goblin AKA Nick

Wow, wow, Wes. All right. What's up, Nick? What's going on? Here with Nick. I would say a successful YouTuber, dude. How do you like to present yourself to the world? I'm a YouTuber. I'm a podcaster. Talk about my drug addiction. I say previous, but I still enjoy drugs. California sober guy. Yeah, California sober. Shrooms weed a little bit of here and there. Everything in moderation is the key. One of my, someone I know put me onto your content who had been a bit of a drugist himself. And he's also on the up and up as well. But he, he was like, you got to watch this. You got to get this guy on your pot. You whenever I see that, I'm like, yeah, yeah. And I watch it and I'm like, damn, your shit is sick. I've gotten comments get you on my show too. Really? I've gotten quite a few. There it is, dude. You got to line it up. That was just the universe. That was the great mind just working. Yeah, came together. I was curious. I had asked you before we came down too, why you got me on the show. I looked at your other guests and I'm like, dude, talk about like my and here, Glyph guys. And then like here I come walking. The my and here Glyph guys not out just yet. Oh, oh shit. Spoiler. No, I don't care. That's fine. The, I don't know, dude, I feel like you're a great fit. How do you know what you're talking about? Yeah. Well, no, I was just, I'm more so meant like category of person, you know, like you're having like celebrities on the show, you know, I mean, and then I walked in. This way the cookie crumbles, dude. That's the way I like. I mean, you're, here's the thing. You're no small fry, dude. You've had how many followers? You got a bunch of followers. I have a million on my main YouTube channel. But you know, YouTube doesn't like that. More than me. You're fucking, what are you talking about? Well, it's an honor to have you on here. I appreciate it. I'm really, I'm truly honored. I'm truly honored to be here. That's all that matters. Yeah. Yeah. Counts. Follow a million is sick though. It is. You know, no, no, they denied me my 100k plaque. They denied me my million sub plaque. Why? And I have three channels that are owed plaques and they denied all of them except one. Why? Is it because of the content matter? I mean, bro, you go on my channel right now and you're not subscribed to my like homepage video is like my first time smoking crack. And like YouTube, it doesn't matter what country the support agents in, they're going to that channel and they're saying no. What? So it's yeah, I got fake crack. No, like we really cooked crack when I was 17 smoked it. But like, so that's how far it goes back. Take me all the way back. So how did you? How did I just guess get started like fucking around? Well, yeah, but what I want to know is at what point was that a crack idea to be like, let's just YouTube this. It was a coke idea. It was after school on a Tuesday. It's funny to say it a podium. Well, actually, there's not a crack idea. It's a coke idea. A little less. Yeah. So take me all the way back. How did how did you give me the origin story? So when we'd gotten out of school one day, it was junior year high school and I was going to this alternative school with like all the D gen kids. And I got sent there because my GPA was below one at a 0.8. So they didn't like that. And they're like, dude, you might be retarded. Like you got to go to the alternative school. And at the time I was just like smoking weed and taking sand axe. So like it wasn't too bad. You know, I was still like kind of doing my thing, you know, just not doing too good in school. But after I got sent to the alternative school, it's like, OK, these kids are all like actually like nodding out in gym class and shit. Yeah. Like these kids are bad. So I was right in there with them. You know, I was like, fuck it. You just have some fun. That's kind of nice. You just got better. Just got, you know, got worse. So I had a met a friend named Ashton who was like just a really big coke head and like kind of into everything he did coke heroine like the whole shebang. And one day he comes over to my house after school. We got to ride home together and we're sitting in my kitchen and we've been doing blow for like every day for like probably at least a week. You're 17. Yeah. Yeah. And it was like I was very fortunate to have him as a friend because he sold a lot of shit and I was broke, but he would let me do everything because I drove him around. Yeah. So it was like, hey, like driving to the serve and like, I'll give you two lines. Dude, it's the best offer I've ever had. It's got to work in a Wendy's. We're driving the plug around, you know. So he comes over to my house and he's like, dude, I'm really tired of doing blow. This shit's boring, honestly. And like objectively blow is kind of a boring drug, you know, so I got where he was coming from. And I remember who said it. My other friend, Kyle, was also there. But it came up at one point like, what if you made crack out of it? And it was a joke at first. Like, ha, ha, we could, you know, that's funny. But like none of us knew what we were doing. We don't know how to do that. You guys listen to rap? Yeah, of course. Yeah. Everyone. Yeah. I wanted to crack so bad. I grew up in the like SoundCloud rapper era. So like when I was in high school, like Lil Pump was the biggest thing. Yeah. Yeah. And like, dude, that guy made cocaine music. Like that guy's like if you've ever heard any of his songs, it's just straight nose drug music, you know. So we were kind of joking around like, ha, ha, that would be really funny if we made crack and then it became more of like a how do we even make crack? You know, we I remember we went on Irrowid and we found this thread post like really detailed thread with a YouTube video link. And it was a step by step, like, all like do this thread was like probably mid 2000s, you know, and it was like one of those old style YouTube videos of like the music with the text like step one, like, you know, the comic sans font or whatever. And it was just how to make crack. And it was how to make a personal serving in a spoon. And all I mean, I'm not going to list everything you need here, but it's pretty straightforward if you know anything about it. You know, you can do it literally with a spoon and a lighter and the stuff you need for normal crap. Really, you don't have to. I'm all about I'm all from the rap songs, whipping your wrist. You can literally do a miniature version of that to make one bull worth in a spoon. Whoa, like you don't have to make a like a whole pot worth. You can take like a little bit of blow. Yeah, you're not getting the block. So and granted, like we didn't make good crack. Like it was not like some shit that we would go serve somebody, you know, but it was like, dude, some grown. It looks like crack kind of, you know, what did you put on a spoon? So we stuff in. We put blow on a spoon and I mean, do you want me to go step by step here? Is this like, OK, yeah, I don't if you get trouble. It's not my home cover your ears. All right. So well, I think I'm all you know, if we go to I think it's baking soda, water and yes, yes, that's the essence of it. Yeah. If you listen to rap, you hold the lighter up under the spoon and just mix it until it bubbles for like a certain amount of time. It's like, if you see like constant bubbles on the top stop, it's too hot. The guy who made this video is so funny. Dude, I want to know where he is today. I want to know where he is. I want to have I want to meet the guy. But we did the process. And then after you finish mixing it in the spoon and doing your thing, you pour it on a tin foil and throw it in the freezer. OK, so we grab some tin foil, threw it in the freezer and just throw the spoon in like my mom's sink, like thinking nothing of it, you know, whatever, which she found the spoon later. That was not good. And she still talks about it to this day. Like she's like, I remember when I found your cracks, like I'm like, mom, like she was not a fan. I don't do that anymore. Yeah, that was an experiment. That was an experiment for all. Yeah, it was a one time thing. That was a science fair. It literally, yes, she should be glad because like I failed all my science classes. So finally, I'm being proactive and experimenting on my own. She should be happy about that. So, you know, we threw it in the freezer for like probably 30 minutes or so, pull it back out. And it's like, I mean, from my understanding, it's not good looking good. It's very cloudy. It almost looked gray. Like it wasn't good, but we're like, fuck it, dude, we got a smoke crack now, you know, we don't have a pipe, though. So like, crap, time for a tin foil pipe. You know, so we twist up a little tin foil bowl. My friend hits it first and he passes it to me. Very underwhelming experience. Yeah, very like literally, I think it lasted probably two to three minutes. Really? Like if even, yeah, we I took a hit, one hit, pass it to my friend. I don't know if like it was a placebo thing of like, oh, I just smoked crack or what it was, but I got very like. Sometimes when I do a lot of coke and I'm pretty drunk, I'll get like ragey, you know, like I'll get a little angry, you know, and it was like that condensed into like two minutes. I remember I was like, oh, like my friend kind of dap me up, you know, shook my hand a little bit. I remember punching my mom's cabinet like really hard just for no reason. There was nothing wrong. There was nothing going on. You just amped. Yeah, I was amped up, you know, I punched her cabinet and my friend hits it and he like, very natural on about it. He's like, oh, yeah, you know, like that was cool. And I'm like, wow, like we really just wasted a bunch of blow and like hours of our time and got fucking two minutes to this out of it. You know, yeah. And after we smoked the little bowl we made, it was more of a thing of like we were riding on the high of like, we just smoked crack. Yeah, yeah. Holy fuck, this is awesome. And we drove up, we got in my mom's car and I don't know why she ever left the keys at home with me, but she would leave the keys at home with me. And we drove up to Little Caesars that my friend worked at. There was this girl named Salma who worked there. Shout out to her. And we would always go and give her shit for free pizza. And we walked in and we're like, Salma, we just fucking smoked crack. Like and she thought we were jokes. She's like, oh, yeah, like that's so funny. But like, no, like we really just did it. Like you should come next time. Like if you want to, like try to back her up a little bit. You know, it's a bit of a nice, you know, like, hey, we're not like these other guys you do drugs with, dude, we cook crack now. Like we're really different. Which by the way, the Coke pizza trade is a real thing. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Briefly, briefly sold Coke when I was younger and we had a guy who come in called Horsehead. OK, he was a delivery guy. And it's how he's fun. He would be like horse. We would call and be like, yo, it was like my friend's cousin worked there. But tell send Horsehead with the pizzas. Then like he would just bring a bunch of extra shit and we would just give him blow. Fuck. Yeah, he literally did look like he had horses. Had a giant long face. So we would just watch him do blow and just be like, horse. There's a real connection with like pizza employees and just drugs in general. Like any any staff at a pizza shop. Doesn't matter if you're front end, kitchen, delivery, dude, you're doing good. Yeah, there's stuff going on. So what was the ladies name again? Selma Selma Selma was she was dubious about your crack. Inch option. She didn't care as much as we thought she would. Yeah, but she hooked us up with the pizzas either way. You know, we hooked her up a good little trade and went home that night. And it was a thing of like, we all agreed, like let's never do that again. OK, like definitely gentlemen's agreement. Yeah, a real gentleman's agreement. Like, hey, we're glad we got that out of the way. But even at that time, I still had a mental barrier of like no math, no heroin. Yeah, that kind of thing. And like the crack kind of felt like it was starting to breach the barrier a little bit. And I was like, boys, let's leave that in the bag. You know, yeah. So it was cool. You know, but did you did you YouTube? That experience or saying I've talked about it. Yeah, I didn't like film the actual thing in a moment. But a lot of what I do online is like, I just kind of recount and tell stories. Got you. OK, so they're mad that you just told that story on YouTube. Pretty much. Yeah. Well, my channel to know, actually, three years ago now, got fully demonetized. So I get no ad revenue off my million sub channel. What I basically post for free. And I get no sponsors because, you know, what? I got that. Well, you know, are you familiar with psyched substance? Did you ever follow his? I am very familiar with psyched substance, of course. He lost. He like kind of lost it. Didn't he? He lost the sauce a few times. Yeah. He spilled the pop. Probably got him. Kratom got him. Dude. In the end, Kratom is getting more people than ever right now. I know. The seven is bad. So that I was I had read about seven. Oh, so I just go to seven, oh, seven, oh. And I was like, I was going to talk about it, but I just brought it up and then like got on to something else. I was like, you know, you ever hear about seven? And then like we start talking about something else. I got like nine million DMs like, don't do it. Bro, don't do it. Don't even try. It's just like morphine you can get from the gas station. Honestly, I think morphine is even lowballing it. Like morphine is probably weaker than what seven. That's like it's it's not. It's just at the gas station. It's gas station. Every smoke shop in the whole country, bro, you can pick any smoke shop in a two mile radius. And I promise they. That's not good. It's really hard. I've heard that they this is just like people have talked to you. You just hit the gas station or the smoke shop and they're just like, yo, try this shit like pushing on you. So they have sample packs like these little like one and two pill packs that they send out to all the shops and they give the shops incentives to give the samples out like they're like, hey, we'll give you a discount on your next like wholesale batch if you give out these samples because they know that like all the fiends are coming back. Here are the monsters, though, that are like, you know, the Sacklers. What if we did that again? Dude, what if we did that? But at gas stations, it goes pretty deep, actually. There's a lot of the like the seven oh the sketchy hemp products. Yeah, like all the shroom bars that are in smoke shops. A lot of those are the same people. Yeah, like a lot of those different brands are all the same, like couple parent conglomerates. And I own a brand in the hemp space. So like that's I'm pretty involved with that. And I know a lot of the guys behind the scenes and like, dude, listen, if you go to an event and if you see like three Indian guys ice the fuck out. They're selling seven now. Yeah, seven seven. The seven seven. Oh, what about the way so in terms of like the that, you know, like the hemp, the farm bill, compliance stuff, do you think a lot of that's just sprayed kind of cannabinoids or like? Like in terms of like the products that people are selling in stores. Yeah. Well, no. So the crazy thing with the the hemp loophole is like the shit they're selling in stores is the same shit at this. We like the THCA, particularly THCA is the same shit that's in normal. This bow we. Yeah. All the other shit like Delta eight, that's like synthetic and bullshit. But the loophole right now, like there's shit if you go to a dispensary in California and you go buy a product off a shelf and you get it tested right now. There's probably a good like 40 to 50 percent of those products that by definition would be legally hemp and like you can shit. Yeah. And that's because the THCA isn't heat activated. Yeah. THC. It's because all the laws are made by like 90 year olds. I know they've never hit a joint. It's it's like kind of like laughable, though, because you can just grow it and be like it's 30 percent THCA. But it's just and there's no oversight. There's not even like a department of agriculture. Yeah. They're not exactly. Shit. No. Well, good for them. I think it's a nice loophole. I far as loophole. Oh, it's great. Great loophole, dude. You're talking to a guy who's made plenty of money off it. Dude, it's a great loophole. But with that being said, I still am not like that against it getting closed because like it's pretty bad out there, bro. I mean, you say bad, you mean like there's a lot of dirty, shitty way. For every one like solid product you can buy in the hemp market right now, there's probably five more that are like borderline poison. Yeah. So what makes some poisonous? That's what I'm curious about. There's so there's no testing and oversight in any hemp products. The only thing you have to do to like prove that it's hemp is get a lab test done on the batch itself. Yeah. But like there's no like, you know, authority that's coming in and actually double checking that. So it'd be like so like heavy metals, pesticide. Everything, bro. There's companies that like have weed that's testing positive for E. Coli. There's company. Yeah. Like there's a lot of synthetic like shroom products in particular where like they're advertising this is a blend of lion's mane and it's just research chemicals. Yeah. That's what so my my brother put me on to that. Because there's what is it's like it's not five. I mean, it's like five. It's like MEO. MEO DMT or something. But that's so that's like the frog stuff. There's another MEO something that is it's just a powder. You can get it online. I can research chemical, but it's like similar to shrooms. That's what I think a lot of the shroom chocos are. So I've talked to people like, yeah, I had like a one square and I was just launched. And it's crazy because like that shit hits too. Like it works and it feels good. It's not even a bad experience. It's more like you just don't know what you're getting. Yeah, it's kind of scary. Like I personally, I think all the shit in the smoke shop should still be legal to possess and consume, you know, but like should they be sold at the smoke shop with no age restriction? Yeah. Now, the Galaxy gas epidemic was pretty wild. Dude, that shit was bad. There was a I remember if I'm not going to air out who it was. But a few months ago, I invited someone on to my podcast who came by with all his homies and it's going to be pretty obvious who this was. But really, probably. No, no. In the same like league, though. But he brought these like four homies with him who kept like going out outside of my door and like very clearly smoking fent and like, oh, dude, they do that a lot at my shit. What? That's actually I've had two people do that now. I even were to have like guests and then they come back and like kind of case your shit up and dude, they're just smoking fent casually outside. I'm not going to lie, bro. We don't have much to take. I mean, we are in a living room. My homies living room and like, yeah, there's just not much to take. That's good. And the cameras we have aren't even ours. They're loaned to us, you know, like good. Take the couch, you know. Yes, you're right. Take the fucking couch. So yeah, that's kind of awkward. Yeah. So how did you know they're out there smoking fit? You could smell it. There's a very specific smell that like smoking like pills gives off. Yeah. And like you can tell. And then the dude came back in, he was talking to me totally normally. He's like, can I go smoke a cigarette? I'm like, yeah, comes back in. Yeah. It's like, all right, bro. I know what that smell is, you know, you're not fooling me. So OK, so going back to so there you had the, you know, the first one was just your recounting smoking crack. That was your first YouTube. That wasn't my first YouTube video. That was the first one I'd say that really like popped off, popped off a lot. Like that's like my most notorious, probably. OK, I think when it really like I started getting any traction doing what I do is I got sent to rehab and I was on probation when I was 17. I put on felony probation because I would go to Walmart and like load up a cart full of shit. And like a plastic tote I'd have inside the cart and I'd leave the lid open. I'd fill it up with all the clearance like games and DVDs, put the lid on, pay for the tote and just leave. And I got away with it like three or four times. One day I got really brazen and it was like a Friday at 5 p.m. And I was drunk as fuck and I drove to the Walmart, walked in at 5 p.m., loaded up my tote, tried to walk out the door and they stopped me. Like this big like butch lesbian security guard came and grabbed me. What's funny is because like I when they did this self check and I used to get like real, you know, I would just start taking stuff. Oh, you can get crazy. You go nuts in there. But it's like not even nine times out of 10. It's like 99 times out of 100. The person checking receipts looks like they're dead. They're just like, and you just walk past, but they have, I had one hard oh one time it was like, why is your receipt this big and you have a cart full of stuff? What I did, I just, I just went like, wait, what? I just went full Alzheimer's and was like, completely confused. Did I not check all this stuff out? Did he let you go back and just say it was a lady and she was like, this isn't on the receipt. And I kept going like, but I didn't technically leave the store. I don't think you get in trouble. I could have committed to the crime. Yeah, I thought I was going to the gardening section. So I felt like I had a solid case if I had a fight. But she was like, she made me kind of like a humiliation ritual. She made me go back and be like, that's not on there. That's not on there. And I kept being like escort back to the register. Yep. Yeah, I did. And I was like, wait, that's not on there either. Did that not scan? What? I remember being like, oh, so it beeps. And she was like, dude, get the fuck out. So they actually prosecuted. Yeah, they arrested me and like took me into the little security room and like counted the amount of stuff I had. And I think they did it because I'd been coming back to the same exact Walmart. Yeah. Repeatedly. Yeah. I would do it all the time. And this is back when like Walmart was still 24 hour or two. So like, yeah, I was going all times at day, bro. I'd go at night. One time I got a 3DS out of the electronics thing. I asked the lady to like open it up for me. And then I kept asking for like shit in different directions. Like I'd be like, can you get a game from that end of the thing? And she got fed the fuck up and she just handed the thing to me. And she's like, bring it up front and pay for it and just left. And I was like, all right, well, I'm leaving into the toad. It goes. Yeah. But anyway, so I got arrested at Walmart that day. I stole like, I think it was like $900 worth of shit. It was a good amount. OK. Just under, I think, larceny. What's larceny like 2000? It wasn't larceny. It was under that. It was just, I think, retail theft, but like the felony level by definition. And like, I just had like some minor, you know, possession charges and shit at that point. So I went to court for it and they were like, all right, I had a good lawyer and everything. They gave me probation for a year and I had to go in for random drug testing like pretty often and I was not doing well with that. Like the first month on probation, I was just dropping a ton of acid and like, you know, oh, well, I won't piss dirty for that. But then while I was tripping, I'd like hit the blunt and like do all the other shit. And, you know, I wasn't good. So I kind of gone through the motions the first month, just like, well, I'm going to go to Juvio when they call me, you know. Eventually I bought a couple of tabs off a friend that turned out to be fake. And I overdosed on them. Well, were they 25? I am pretty sure. What is that? So it's I don't think it's like as popular to do anymore. But when I was younger, the like most common fake acid cut was this chemical called 25 I NBOM E. And it's this like similar psychedelic. It's like a clear liquid that you drop on blotter. But like the only way you can tell you're taking it is if the tab tastes better. And I tasted something when I took the tabs, but like it wasn't like bitter to me. I didn't think anything of it. And this was like a good friend that I'd known for a while. So I was like, well, fuck, do you this shit's not hitting me? I only took one. I need another one. So I get to my friend's house, take my second tab. And then I like started freaking the fuck out. And my parents ended up when I went back home, my friend dropped me off because I was tweaking parents called the cops because like they called an ambulance because I was leaking out. Went to the hospital, went to rehab. And I spent two months in a residential facility out of state, like with all the real tweakers and shit. You know, I'm in there like, damn, dude, shit's fucked. And I got out and I made a series where I just documented like everything I went through in rehab. And that was the first thing that like popped off. Yeah. YouTube channel. That was really the like, oh, shit. Yeah, you really, really made lemonade out of lemons, man. I did what I could. You know, I mean, it all like when I was a kid, I still made YouTube videos. I would just do like Call Duty gameplay stuff. Yeah, because I play a shit. You'll still do that because I still do that, you know, and it's kind of nice. It's it's like how it's morphed because when I started, I would do the gameplay, but I just like talk about mundane shit. Like here's the best gun in Call Duty right now. And eventually, like when I started smoking weed, I was like, fuck that shit. Do you know, one cares about the best gun in cod? Like I want to talk about smoking weed and fucking chicks, you know, so like kind of just when I ended up doing got you. So made the switch. I mean, that is pretty I've seen some of your stuff. I mean, it's just like called pretty good Call Duty gameplay to pretty nasty. I try. And then it's just like the one time in my friend's smoth crack, I'm like, this is might be the best combination of shit. It's a guy like checking the quarter. Yeah, I think honestly, the only reason my channel exists is just like a product of the time. I feel like if you tried to make this channel today, you'd get banned. Yeah, you know, you can claim educate. Well, it is kind of educational, honestly. Oh, I have a disclaimer in all my videos. It's like, this is bullshit. Like this story is not even real. Yeah, it's not true. I never fucking had these are fake names. Now, the drug ranking is one of my favorite. I know you say I have an annual one. The annual drug ranking every year. It's so funny. I mean, I noticed you have it out for Robo tripping. I mean, that's bottom of the barrel. I have a two tiered problem with DXM. Yeah. First off is like it's by definition a struggle drug. It's a poverty drug. Like you're an adult with money and like options on plugs is not going to buy DXM. True. You know, so it's a poverty drug. And DXM users, when you tell them it's a struggle drug, they don't like it. Is there like for real a valid DXM users? Dude, you're going to see him in the comments of this video just for talking about this, dude. Post a clip of this on shorts and see how fast they they appear. They're coming, dude. Yeah, they come in my comments all the time every year. And they're like, God, I really wish Goblin wouldn't be so narrow minded about DXM. Like it's really open my mind. All these possibilities. And I'm like, dude, like I'm just I'm not tripping off Delceme anymore. I'm sorry. Yeah, you're saying it's bottom of the barrel only when you're well, the high just sucks, too. What is it like? It's like imagine if like you had a like every acid trip you had was kind of scary and didn't last as long and your stomach hurt the whole time. That's like pretty much what a DXM trip is. That stinks. Yeah, it's not fun. And I never liked it. But like, I guess, I don't know, poor people do. Yeah, struggle. I struggle. It's a great. Yeah, it's a good drug to go steal at the store. Nothing better. But right. So you rank that bottom. That's the very bottom. You're saying that's the bottom of the bottom. That is the bottom. I don't think slightly above that in your opinion. I mean, OK. A reminder that it's all personal preference, you know, because objectively speaking, we can be like, oh, fence actually the bottom. But like, no, it isn't. Do people don't do that shit because it sucks. Like people don't do fend because it feels like shit. Like that's not true. You know, so you can't put that you can't put that at the bottom. Objectively, the XM feels like shit and is not a good look. You know, and it's just I can go on about that. But I'd say next up probably like. Fuck, man. Oh, fuck. It gets kind of weird in the D tier because like. The D tier. Yeah, I mean, if we're saying F is F is DXM. Yeah, Robo, then the D tier is kind of a weird place to be because it's like, well, it's hard to find a drug that sucks, but doesn't suck enough to be really suck. True. Yeah. You know, it's kind of tough. But I would say like. Fuck, man, I personally don't like opiates that much. So like I'd say like specifically opiate pills like perks, Narcos, like Aussies, that kind of thing, just because like. You still get the grimy, like opiate feel and day after in the cloudiness, but like you're not going all the way. Like just do the fucking heroin at that point. Yeah, that's right. Opiates suck to begin with. Just do the good ones, at least the ones that actually feel good because you're going to be a fiend either way. Like they're bad and if like with the perks, you're taking like a near liver canceling dose of. Oh, yeah. It's like Tylenol. Yeah. Yeah, your liver is getting annihilated. I saw a guy one time, the guy I worked with, we were in like a construction trailer, we had like cleaned the house and we got to like take a break. And he just he was like, he was a bad on heroin, though, or he would take anything. But he just grabbed it was the weirdest thing. Grabbed Tylenol. There was like a first aid kit and he just dumped like 10 Tylenols in his hand, just swallowed them all. And I was just like, he just casually did this. No, it is. Just a what though? Like, I don't know. I still to this day, I guess he probably was like withdrawal. He probably didn't feel like it's testing his liver. So he just abused Tylenol. And I remember just being like, what the fuck is this? Yeah, what are you doing? What a strange like. So that's D. That's D. Yeah, I guess that's opiates for me or D. You know, like I've done them and like sure I've had enjoyable moments on them. But like, I don't like it. It's kind of laughable and I will. It's definitely not very chic right now to be addicted to like perks. No, it's kind of the time is went. Do you kind of like a throwback? Yes, time is when it is a dying breed. 10 years ago, 2016, that was peak. Yeah, the air you want to be a bar tarred. You want to be an opiate fiend. That's when to do it. You know, times have changed, dude. Times have changed. Yeah, even the bars aren't popular. Zanny bars. What would you what would you class them? Oh my God, bro. I mean, I love them. Yeah, I hate I hate to admit like when I talk about Xanax, there's a certain like feeling that comes over me of just like warmth, you know, like, oh, you know, and that's how I know that out of all the drugs I've ever done, Xanax is the one that I really can never try again. Like I can I will immediately feed for that shit. Yeah, it's bad for me with Xanax. And I have so many friends who got so addicted to that shit and the withdrawals are horrible. It's like the ratio of like how accessible it is to like how addictive and horrible the withdrawals are is crazy. Like it's literally the most accessible version of like a borderline heroin addiction. Like it's the same withdrawal process. It's the same like if you cold turkey Xanax, you literally just have seizures. You can die. Yeah, you can you could fall on die from a Xanax withdrawal if you like just completely cold turkey and don't do any prep. And like despite all that, it's fucking great. Really? I love it. I love Xanax. It's literally a problem solver pill. Like any issue you are concerned about in your life, dude, if you you got court coming up, you behind on your taxes, fucking your girl just left you, your homie stole your drugs, take his hand. You can they're all gone. Finds a piece. The problems are gone. Yeah. And they're you know, they're going to be gone for an extended period. And like you might even solve the problems while you're barred out. You might get the courage to solve those issues. And it might not be in a healthy way, but like you're going to take care of them. True. You know, that's what's shocking to me is that like it's not that crazy to be prescribed Adderall and Xanax. No, fuck the average person. It's not like they're all yeah, I take Xanax for my anxiety. I take Adderall to focus. That's a pretty potent. If I took an Adderall and Xanax, I'd be trapped. Not fun. Yeah, it's not fun. All right, here we go, guys. Does anyone want to go first, by the way? I don't want to take out. Go ahead, let me get in there. Everybody going to be in Florida May 5th, May 6th, May 7th, May 8th, May 9th. And they'll be back home. But also May 5th, there's optimal knocks at the Creek and Cave. So please check that out. La Merrily, that fun and everywhere else. All right. Thank you. Oh, it's May 16th is all I got right now. Toronto will be nice, but I believe it's full May 16th. Then very late in Toronto on May 15th. May 15th. Yeah. What's up? It's a good time to be in the six. Is it really? What in May? May 15th. Why I'm in the May 15th. New Drake released. What are you going to be there? City is going to be nuts. And that's going to be awesome. Well, hell yeah, do we go look forward to that? And guys, the next day, there are some tickets left for the Riviera Theater in Chicago, Illinois. And yeah, that's May. We got time, but I'll be honest, that that one, I wouldn't lie to you. That one's going to sell out. So come celebrate the end of this part of the tour in Chicago. May 16th. That's it. May 4th. I'm at the Hollywood Bowl in Los Angeles. May 7th. There's still tickets available for the May 7th Thursday show at the Atiti Garden in Boston. And then that's it. Obviously, July 17th. Come watch me have a heart attack in front of the entire city of Philadelphia. Fuck it. Albuquerque, Phoenix, San Diego, Los Angeles, Seattle, Portland, Chicago, New York, Boston, Pittsburgh, Orlando, Naples and Tampa and San Francisco. I'm coming to you this month. It's going to be a big month. Yeah. JDFmcann.com organ our right now. James Donald Forrest McCann, Catamaran plan. Oh, yeah. Big times. Yeah, get in there, Sean. Hello, everybody. I'll be getting in front of the fucking camera and don't do this cute bullshit. Just fucking do it. Hello, everybody. I was right now. I'll be in Springfield, Missouri, Tulsa, Oklahoma and Oklahoma City in Cincinnati, Ohio in the month of May. Please come. Oh, my God. SeanGardini.com. Why are you so mad at me? I'm not. I'm joking. Dude. Oh, what do you think about abusing sleeping pills? You ever run into that? Like, which no, I never really fucked. I saw I saw these when I was younger. There was like this, you know, whatever apartment complex full of people that I knew. And they're like all knew each other and live together. And these girls would take Ambien and then do as much coke as possible. I've never tried that. Dude, well, they say you start tripping because you want to go to sleep. But you take the I mean, I literally they were like really trying to sell me on at all. Like, you got to try this and I don't have to go had the wherewithal to be like, no, I don't think I'm going to do that. And dude, one day they just collapsed in front of me. Oh, just where fell. Well, the one of them fell and just hit the floor. Think I didn't try it. And I said, I fucking told you guys I was I was a very I was very like nervous and alien about drugs when I was young. Really? I would do like like weed and mushrooms were great. But like you would have like combining stuff or just pills, coke. I never I never did. I've never done it. Virgin. Really? Totally. Verde and I just never everything I saw people doing it. I was always like, it never worked out good. I don't think of a single person there like, yeah, that was sick. Oh, coke is very destructive. Yeah, it's horrible. It costs too much money. It doesn't last long enough for you to ever make it stretch. And like it does suck. But also like I feel like coke is the perfect adult drug. Like the moment that like you got bills to pay, it's time to buy a bag. Just trying to buy the bag. It's time to buy a bag. So how's that the adult drug? Oh, that's you're saying when you when you're it's a drug that like you can do on a regular basis and still function and like I personally like although I don't do it anymore, I functioned when I was geeking. Like it wasn't until the end. It wasn't ever really a thing where it was like debilitating me, you know, until like towards the end of my co-cues. And I'm not financially well, that's a different story. You know, I mean, yeah, that's a different story. But like I mean, dude, when I function as a person, when I first like started. So back in like 2020, I got a DUI and I was living with my parents still at the time I was 20 or 2019, actually. And my mom threw me out of the house. She was like, get the fuck out, you know, you got seven days, put all myself in a trash bag and there I went, you know. And I moved down like three hours south to this town that was like really far from my hometown and very cheap cost of living. And I had brought like my final like Hurrah bag of blowdown with me. I bought like a pretty, I don't remember how much it was, but I brought a pretty fat bag of blow. I got like a pinealene. I got like a bunch of weed and it's brought it all down. And I was like, once I run out of this, I'm fucked. You'd all blow down here is fat, you know, so it's going to be bad. So I started railing a bunch of it and like kind of trying to pace myself, which didn't work. And around that time, I had started doing these like live streams every day and like I would drink for donations. I was trying to make money and it worked. And I started making good money and like instead of being like, oh, finally, I can afford my blow. I just bought more shit. And like, since my plug at live three hours north, I started going on the deep web and buying everything with like all my YouTube paychecks. So like I would have months where I'd get like seven or eight grand from YouTube, which was like incredible money for me at the time. That was like YouTube tip, basically. Yeah. Yeah. That was like my, that was my all, all my income at that point. I didn't have sponsors. I didn't have like business stuff going. It was literally just whatever YouTube paid me for my donations and my ad rev was my fucking net worth, you know? And I remember I would pay my rent, which was 650 a month. It went up to 1100 eventually when I moved, but 650 a month. The entire rest of that was weed, Zanz, ketamine, blow. I would just order it all. And like the more money I had, the more I'd just buy. But then they keep scaling up. Yeah. Yeah. I kept scaling up all the way until like it got really bad, bro. Like it was I'm kind of drunk right now. So it's not going to be a great estimate. You know, I had some drinks at lunch, but probably like. Fall of 21, I'd say is when it got the worst. And I was like staying up for like two or three days straight at a time. And I would just be like sitting at my desk, like cold sweating, railing lines. And I had this, like I developed this really extreme, like paranoia and anxiety in my brain from doing so much uppers that like I would do uppers to bring me, like bring my heart rate back up. Cause I was really paranoid about my heart. Like, I'd be like, oh, my shit's beating too slow. I need to wake up, do a bunch of lines. And I'd be like, oh, my shit's beating too fast. I need to take a Zan. I need to do a line of K. And I would go through cycles of that for like two or three days straight. Just trying to get it back to just a sober heart rate. Yeah. And the whole time it's like, bro, I'm not fucking dying. Like, you know, but I might I was just so paranoid in my brain that I thought I was. So that's pretty scary, though. If you're doing it by yourself, just like constantly up and down, up and down. Bro, I had this big house by myself. I had no friends in this town. I had no job. And like the only thing I did all day was just sit inside and do drugs. Like all fucking day. And then stream pretty much. Yeah, I would go live. So that's God, dude. I might get banned for this. When I used to stream like my early days of streaming on Twitch, I got started because I was trying to see how fast I could get banned. So like I played a porn game in like Rail to Bunch Academy, like during the stream and like I didn't point you to get like the ad. No, I played like a porn game that's banned on Twitch on stream. What is a porn game? Like you're talking about like the ads on porno or there's a game. No, no, no, no. It was a game on Steam called like. Oh, OK, I don't remember the name of it. I think I know. I know you're going to know in the comments. It's like a very notorious like the horny game, you know, and I played it on my stream with the intent of seeing like, let's see how fast Twitch like bans people for this kind of shit. And then during the stream, I would like, you know, turn my camera up and be like, you know, the fucking vets calling me, dude, my pet horse is sick and like lean down, do a bunch of ketamine back up. I think he's going to be OK, guys. Like he's going to be fine, you know. And finally, like I got banned, you know, but it was temporary and then they unbanned me and like, I don't know how I didn't get in more trouble for the shit I used to do. Yeah, I like I would do this and be very blatant about it on stream. And I know people were reporting me and like, I don't know. It kind of rock, which is cool, I guess, you know, I guess they are pretty. You too might be kind of chill to you. You know, YouTube is not. They should give you your ad money. YouTube is not about nudity. I showed one one illustration. It was a it was like a cartoon, like a comic book series about a a slutty Indian lady called Savita Bobby. And I showed like Illustrated Nipple and they just we still have a strike on our channel for really. Yeah, they do not. When does it expire? I don't think ever, dude. I don't know. Or we'll find out. It's been there for at least like three years, two and a half, three years. What the fuck? Yeah. Do you guys have like a like a contact at YouTube or anything? Probably. But I don't think they'll take it off. That guy. It was like a graphic. I mean, I did do like it was like Illustrated Full Frontal. I feel like if because now all strikes on YouTube expire. Do they really? All of them. Yeah. That's cool. They you get like a warning and then strike one. If you don't get another one for 90 days, it goes. Really? Yeah. Yeah. So I would hit up your rap and just be like, Hey, bro, this shit's three years old. I'm going to put one to go. I'm going to show the naked Indian lady as soon as I get my strike off. There you go, dude. Run it back. Run it back. You got wiggle room now. So what? So, uh, yeah. So what's what's the plan now? So now you're still you're still streaming. So like, are you is it more of like a. I guess your channel slightly like a almost like a memoir or like slash like opinion on a way. Yeah. It's kind of morphed more recently when I started, it was just purely like a I want to tell my stories kind of thing, you know, and now as I've gotten older and kind of gotten clean and cleanish, um, you know, it's a thing of like, I want to share my stories in a way that like people can learn from it a little bit. Yeah. And also just make videos talking about drugs. Yeah. So what is your overall? What is your personal takeaway after doing a, like I would say, would you say you've done all the drugs? All the drugs I want to. Yeah, exactly. I would say. Yeah. I mean, I haven't done math, haven't done heroin. I haven't done, you know, DMT. I haven't done that yet. There's a few things psychedelics that I did Molly shrooms acid, but none of the like real like other stuff. What was so what is your takeaway on draw on drugs combined? If it's like if there's a young man out there, honestly, dude, get it out of your system while you're young. I mean, I'm going to be honest. I think a lot of people like it's really easy to just be like, man, you should never do drugs, you know, like. So bad, but like, dude, no one's going to listen to that shit. Yeah, I know we're doing drugs, you know, that's just kind of that's how people are. Yeah. And for me, I see a lot of my friends that I party with. And I was young that I went really hard with and like did stupid shit with and got arrested with and like these guys are doing fine. I have a buddy who's working biotech travels all over the country and like, dude, I used to rail bags with this guy every night. You know, I have other friends who are like doing finance stuff and like working in sales. And it's like a bunch of dudes who like I think our ACT scores were in the teens, you know, like we're kind of retarded. So it was like, it was really like my advice, honestly, like, I don't ever try to tell people like, oh, don't do drugs. Don't try this because like you're going to try it either way. Yeah, you are. My focus is not going to listen to me. But I think moderation is key. It's good to get out of your system when you're young and you're never too far gone is really the most important part. Yeah. Like you're never too far gone, bro. I've met some crazy motherfuckers who like were way deeper in than I've ever been than anyone I've ever seen. And like, they're just normal guys now living life came out of it. Yeah. You know, so that's probably my take. But like, man, all the all the like curriculum, all the dare stuff and all the like drugs are bad that's been getting pushed since the 80s is just bullshit that's like resulted in the drug space we have now. Yeah, I don't think anyone like listens to that. I remember my brother was telling me we had dare at our school or officer friendly whoever. Yeah. And I remember they would show us like car antennas, uses crack pipes. Yeah. But they I don't remember this. My brother was like when he was in seventh grade, they explained LSD to him and he was like, bro, since that day, I was like, I need to get that. It is like, you see cartoons or whatever. And he was like, that sounds sick. It sounds fucking awesome. I remember seeing the South Park acid episode when Kenny had the acid trip and as a kid that that made me want to trip immediately. Yeah. And I was like, I don't know, 10 or some shit. I was like, dude, I got to try that. You know, yeah, that is kind of my my things. I have two little kids and it's like, yeah, the old like they don't ever do it. It's like it's not realistic, but it's also like, you know, for me, it'd be like, here's certain things that, you know, like weed, even drinking. I'm kind of like, be careful with that. But like my personal advice is like Coke pills, all that stuff, just steer clear. Yeah. That's my personal thing. Some people like, no, Coke's fine. I might you have to stop it eventually, because that's a thing. You do. Once you're like 40, you know, 50, it's kind of like to me, there's just something shitty about it, especially once, especially once you have kids and it's like, are you definitely testing it? That's like, oh, it's like, I know so many people are like, you're not testing your code. There's no way you're drunk at a bar and you're getting a bad cook and you're showing it up your nose. And like, dude, just people. How bad is the fentanyl still really bad in terms of like, oh, it's so bad. Yeah, it's so fucking bad. That's fucking scary. I mean, the problem is like, fent is cheaper than all the other cuts now. Like it's a lot of people I see, they're like, oh, why would anyone? Why would any drug dealer cut something with fent? Like that doesn't make sense. It's another drug that costs them money and then they kill their clients. And it's like, bro, you need a fraction of a gram, like a hundredth of a gram of fent to get the job done just for a cut purpose. And like that costs sense, you know, like that literally costs pennies. Like it's it's nothing. So it's fence more common than ever. It's in Xanax presses, it's in bags of coke, it's in all the opiates you're doing. Like all the perks that people are smoking on the street aren't perks. It's just fent. It's fentanyl, you know, it's all fent presses. And now, like, that's what people want. I know they want stronger shit. Yeah, it's ugly. You know, I think like. I don't know. I think personally, it's just important to like follow your own rules whenever you're doing drugs, like don't bring the bag home, you know, keep it in a social setting as long as you're able to maintain that, like parties, munch, you want. Yeah, that's OK. That's kind of how I view it. I think the the always like the moat that I try to set myself that I'm like, I'm never going to cross this is like if I'm partying and I'm out and I'm doing something with friends, it stays out. I'm not bringing it home. I'm not going to do it alone on my own at the crib. I'm not going to wake up the next day and immediately start railing or do whatever. I think that's when you cross a line. Yeah. So what was it you think that made you because, you know, some people there's people that claim like, yeah, I'm just completely powerless if I even look at or see it. I'm just it's a wrap for me. What kind of clicking your head to where you're like, OK, I think I have this shit under control or like I'm good on this. I mean, it's rehab never worked for me. Like I technically did rehab twice because it did a outpatient. And then I did a smaller inpatient stay and then a full residential stay. So like two and a half, I guess. And rehab never worked. A lot of people always preach the whole like 10 step process and like, oh, you have to be completely bone sober. But I think like telling like for a lot of drug addicts being like, hey, you have to be sober forever is a very scary thing. And like even hearing that immediately is going to make someone be like, what the fuck? Yeah, I'm not sticking with that. You know, yeah, I think a lot of things that help. There are some people that I think that do love that whole like I'm just white for sure. Yeah. Ever. And you know, whatever it becomes as a whole, you know, your whole thing. It's just like, yeah, I'm just nothing one day at a time. And I think it's good for some people. But then some people, yeah, I know a lot of people have tried that and they're like, dude, I just can't get with this. And I found a lot of people have success being like, all right, opiates are my problem. I cannot just I can't be around them. But then the problem is a lot of those guys will go, I'll take some Xanax and they go, well, that's kind of sick. Let's take some matter. And they they just end up they do end up right back on the OPS. But the people I know who are like, you know, say like, I'm staying off of opiates and then they kind of like take mushrooms here and there. They still get that charge and kick. But it's like, you're not going to do a bunch of mushrooms and be like, yo, I should go steal my brother's place. It's like, yeah. So I feel like that's to me, at least I think that helps a lot of people. Yeah. I mean, I think harm reduction is the key. And like, for me, I like towards the end of my addiction, it wasn't fun the last few months. And like, I realized every day when I was waking up and getting high and doing all the shit I did, like I was not enjoying it. Like feeling getting high felt good. But like, I was starting to have those thoughts in the back of my head. Like, man, like this isn't fun. Like, you wake up and I feel like shit every day. I feel like shit right now while I'm high. And if I do more, I'm just going to feel more like shit. And then that one day, I remember it was like five or six in the morning. It was rush hour, morning rush hour. And I had been up for a few days doing blow and doing ketamine and doing my whole thing. And I was having I was having one of those really bad freakouts. And like, I remember I was having these really bad heart palpitations and my hand on my chest. And I thought I was like, about to have a heart attack. My heart was going so fast and I had riled a bunch of fucking lines. And like at that point, it was just purely an anxiety thing. And I remember I'm standing there in a cold sweat. I run out onto my porch and I sit down and I'm in my underwear, broad daylight. And like I live right off a main road at this point. So like all these people are driving past looking at me. I didn't give a fuck. I'm sitting there on my porch, like breathing in the fresh air, trying to do like breathing exercises to make myself like not die. And like in that that's particularly like that moment itself. Was a pivotal point for me. I was like, dude, I can't do this shit anymore. Like this isn't fun. And I've been having those like panic attacks more frequently. And that was the one where it was like, bro, I can't do it anymore. Yeah, your body basically was like, all right. And it was it was hard at first with most of the other drugs. Like Xanax was a bitch for me to get rid of. But Coke was an easy one because I viewed Coke as the source of my anxiety and paranoia and problems. And I immediately after that day, I remember I flushed my shit. I got rid of it. And my strategy that I tell everyone, I always recommend this to people if they're able to is, dude, just smoke your way out of it. Like really genuinely smoke yourself so stupid every day. Eat a bunch of edibles if you have to that, like you can't even fathom feeding for something, you know, because like the real thing that you need is like you need time for your brain to reset. Like you need that chemical connection, that addiction to like reset. And a lot of people like you're not going to get that time to sit in at the house. You're not going to choose to do that. But I found that like when I was eating a shitload of edibles and just ripping dabs all day and just getting violently high as often as I could, that it would knock me out at sleep half the day and like enough time passed for eventually it was the thing of like, hey, I'm not feeding so hard. I'm about to punch a hole in the wall because I'm out of below. It's more of a thing of like I'm in my head thinking like, man, Coke would be nice right now, but I don't have to act on that. Yeah, you know, and once you reach that point, it's kind of smooth sailing from there in my opinion. So there was like a real, almost physiological kind of. Oh, yeah, yeah, there was. I had a really I never had like the the physical mental or like the physical withdrawals of like cold sweats and like twitching and puking in my bed. I never got that. But like mentally, yeah. And like to this day, I still Xanax specifically, like, bro, I'll be sitting there sometimes, especially if after I've had a couple drinks and I'll just be like, man, Xanax. So that's the worst time to take it, though. Oh, yeah. Well, OK, worst by medical definition. But like, come on, dude, like, it's not the worst time. You know, so. Yeah, I I. Well, I'm like kind of split on this because it's like I. I do think it's a crazy way to treat it where it's like, don't touch it at all. And it's like, yeah, OK, like Lucy K. Is a great joke about it. How like you got to tell your kids not to do drugs, but drugs are literally the answers to all their problems. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, you'll feel awesome. Actually, if you're actually being honest, like, no, you'll feel great. You'll be confident. But the this is what I found. I, you know, I used to drink when I was younger. You start drinking super young and just drinking, smoking weed, whatever. And specifically drinking, though, I would I just get I socialized. I pretty much like grew up socializing drunk. It's always drunk if I socialized. Yeah. And then I just the alcohol to start to just not agree with me. I got sick of being hungover. So then I had to like learn, which I'm still learning how to do it now. I'm 40, but it's like I had to like learn how to socialize sober. And I was just like, damn, I wish I fucking learned how to do this when I was younger, because I'm like still bad at it. I still struggle with that, too. Yeah, I get drunk before everything. Yeah, really. I mean, dude, every podcast I've like ever done on the Godcast, I just drink before it. Really? So how's that? How do you manage the alcohol then? I mean, I'm not drunk, you know, I don't get hammered. Get buzzed. One to two shots when I when I have like a someone I don't know coming on the show. Yeah, I need a loose knot. Interesting. OK. So that's fair. Yeah. But I personally like I don't enjoy drinking like getting blackout drunk. I like drinking in like combination with other things. Yeah, yeah. Give me a couple glasses of whiskey and a joint and like a couple lines, you know, give me, I don't know, take some shroom, smoke a joint, maybe one glass of whiskey, you know? I think drinking is just like a good like mix in the pot kind of thing. Yeah, OK. So now like a hardcore drinker. I will stand up. I remember I used to be. But yeah, well, stand up. I remember being like, dude, I have to have two drinks before I perform. And then I remember being like, well, fuck, I kind of at the time, I would do stand up like every night. I'm like, I don't feel like drinking every night. Yeah, I had like I was able to. And this is, you know, this is the stuff I do kind of like where it's like, you know, what exactly why do I have to do that? And it's like with time, you just you can get over that stuff. That's the one percent. But to me, it's like, I don't want to come off as like preachy. Like if that's what people do, that's what people do. But I remember being like I was like impossible. I'm not really a public speaker. I need my two drinks. And then I was like, no, you know what, tonight I'm going up sober. It was like years and years ago. And for some reason, I was just like, I don't even know why I did this. I wore a backwards hat on stage. I never would never wear a backwards hat, but I was so new shit. So I need to have like some other thing. And I stood up there, complex, like, oh, stone sober, the backwards hat bombed. And now it's weirdly enough, I prefer if I do stand up, I prefer to be like completely sober. And I wanted I wanted to be like a high on stage guy. I was like, you wouldn't want to have a couple drinks every night. But it like I just objectively, I'm better if I'm sober. Yeah, because I'm more like kind of keyed into everything going on. Yeah. And I'm not high. If you do it, being high and doing stand up for me, it's a nightmare. Dude, being high and doing anything we have to think. I've kind of been noticing that lately, too. I've finally, for the first time in my life, like since I started smoking, been like tapering off a little bit, you know, and only smoking at night and stuff like that. Because like, dude, I look back at like some of my old stuff on the internet where I'm super high and whenever I'm super high in the moment, I'm thinking to myself, like, dude, this is great. You know, I'm talking a lot. And I look back and I'm like, yo, I'm a babbling fucking idiot. Yeah, like I'm saying nothing right now. So yeah, I've tried to slow down on smoking, too. Yeah, I still I like like doing kind of cycles with weed. We're all like quit for a while and then I'll come back and it's a little break. Yeah, a little break, dude. It's nice because it like otherwise it just I feel like, you know, I feel like I'll feel like dull after like daily smoking, but you take like months off and come back. You're like, it's I don't know. That's the way I kind of it's got to be a treat. That's the only way it's fine. You know, if you're just smoking all day, it's pretty boring. Yeah, I like it is like a little little gift at the end of the day. It is just a truly a gift at the end of the day. A little surprise. But that's no, that's a cool way of thinking of it because it is like, you know, it's like as far as like YouTube guidelines, I'm sure they have their like legalistic kind of like, no, it's bro, you can't endorse this. But it is like, OK, well, there's still people dying from fucking overdoses because this doesn't work for him or that doesn't work for him. And at least yeah, like you're saying if you can at least like reduce the harm a little bit by being like, hey, the rooms didn't work out for you. Yep. How about you fucking just take 19 edibles a day and see if you can manage that? It's like it's at least attractive to an addict's mind. We're like, yeah, I'll just get high as fuck. Fuck yeah. And that does. I swear to God, even the mushrooms, I've seen people who are like bad addicts to like, you know, like the worst stuff and they'll like have like a hard mushroom trip and at least for like five months, they would just be clean. Yeah. And then like, you know, life will come back and yank them back into that stuff. But it is. It was pretty astounding to see. Yeah. We'll be like, no, I'm just chilling right now. We got to do more research on that shit. Yeah. You know, I mean, we're probably pretty far from that actually happening. But I mean, shrooms genuinely like cure people from stuff. Yeah. You know, Caterbean does too. We're just starting to discover that. Yeah. Even acid. Yeah. Well, that was I think the original AA model was to take you're supposed to take acid. Really? Yeah. The guy Bill W. Do whatever his name was. That was like that was a whole point of it was like, you would get you there, you would like start talking and they were like, you got to basically induce some form of mystical religious experience. And he he had done LSD and that's how like that he was like a hopeless alcoholic. Yeah. And I think he did acid and kind of was like, oh, yeah, leave that part out of the curriculum now. It is a shame. They left it out. They left it out. But even again, it's not like everyone has to do that. But it's like, all right, this works for some people. This is some people that works for some people. Here's your options. Pick one and try it out rather than being like show up every day and just fucking each shit. Yeah. Just white knuckle it for the rest of your life. I mean, it's so much more appealing to just be like, yo, you can get high as fuck still just on this. Yeah. Or it's like, it just scares the fuck out of you. You get you start tripping. You're like, oh, dude, I'm like stealing my little sister's money. Some people need whatever they like out of body kind of perspective it gives you. You can kind of really see yourself and go like, oh, God, dude, how the fuck did I start doing this? Yeah. So. But no, that's a your channel rules. I do like your channel. Thanks man. I really appreciate it. Very funny. The stories are really awesome. I like the show you got here, dude. It's a very cool setup. Appreciate you. I like this. You know, I've gone on a few podcasts that are very like sit at the table and talk, but this is fun. Oh, yeah. I like this stand. What's the crap? Like what is this? What's the art? Everyone asked me. I have no idea. I should research this at one point. It's I like I do. It's funny. I've like Googled it a couple of times. OK, all about it. My brain doesn't retain it at all. I think they like they're being spot like someone's coming up and like it like kind of like catching these guys in a in a lewd act. I think that was like an ancient devil's threesome. Oh, I think that lady, the water symbolizes something. I forget what that is. I think that canoes on fire or something. I don't know. Count the right looks kind of like Turkish to me. Yes, very Turkish. As some say, some say he's her pimp. Oh, and then someone walks up like, hey, what the fuck are you guys doing in there? Yeah. He does have the cane going and everything. Yeah, although these guys look they could be siblings. Oh, see a lot of resemblance. Well, that was OK back then, you know, to share. True. That was fine. He might have been signing his sister up with a pimp. He's like, look, I think it's a conflict of interest of my pimp. You my buddy's also a Turkish pimp. Yeah. So it's a very recent development that, you know, your Turkish pimp relative wasn't like someone to share your woman with. But I have no idea what that painting is about. It just made me laugh. It's funny. It's just an interesting. I like it. I like it. But yeah, Matt, so what's what's, you know, what's the plans going forward? Dude, are you do you feel pressure on the podcast to be like, I got to get fucking zonked. I got to ramp up. Or is it just kind of like when I was much like earlier into doing it? Yeah, because the entire way I got into podcasting was like going on other people shows kind of like this and like getting fucked up. Like I remember the first podcast I ever went on. I was like nodding out in the chair at the end of it because I'd stayed up the night prior and I'd like packed a bunch of blow and Zanz in my bag and flew out to LA and like was in my hotel railing. And then I ordered a bottle of wine because I was like, dude, I got I'm not ready to socialize, bro. I'm only on Zanz and Coke. I got a fucking I need to drink. You're not ready to talk yet. So I start drinking and, you know, that doesn't combine with those two things. Well, so what are your thoughts on like really taking everything away for a period and actually just being like, what is bothering me to the point where I would have to be that fucking high to interact with people? I mean, I think I've I've definitely worked on that over the years and kind of like I think I just generally am not very good at socializing without drugs because it's what I've done for a decade, you know, and after I started doing less drugs and just smoking more weed, weed in itself makes me kind of more anxious and public places to begin with, you know, and then I'm already being like, fuck, I don't know how to talk to these people. I'm not loose right now. And I really kind of get stuck in my head about it. And like, I think that's something I'm going to probably struggle with for a long while from now to. But I definitely noticed myself slowly like getting better about it. Yeah, that's how old are you? Twenty seven. Oh, yeah. So yeah, I got time to blow up. You're coming out of your 20s. Yeah. Yeah, I still I mean, I've gotten way better about it. Do you watch sports? A little bit. That helps you. That helps social. I don't watch sports. That's like my Achilles heel and social play society. I'll go out and I'll be like, you see the Broncos and I'm like, nah, man, I wish I did. I wish I could share this with you right now. Because he knows are my icebreaker. Really? Good card table. Yeah, that's nice. Play a little Baccarat, Blackjack, you know, start chatting it up, make four new friends or enemies, you know, either way, you talk to him. No, that is a trick, man. Whenever I'm like, find myself socializing, there is a part of me like almost narrating the events in my head as I'm taking place and I'm going like, what do I really want to talk about? It's like, I want to go home is what I really want to do. And I'm like, no, you have to stay here. I'm like, all right. Yeah, it feels like, you know, not performative, but it's just kind of like, you know, if I really had my druthers, I would be chilling out, laying in my bed right now. Yeah, it's too easy to like get caught up in my head about like, you know, the situation at hand instead of just living in it. Yeah, you know, that's something that like, I don't know if being bone sober would fix that. It probably would, but I don't know. I could not. Like I said, I don't I don't think it's again, I try to not be like, well, this is what you need to do. But it's like, because it's like maybe over time, you get like, you know, you get exp... it's like any kind of phobia. If you expose yourself to the stimulus over and over and over eventually, you're like, oh, this actually isn't that scary. Yeah. That's what happened when we were for a flying. Really? I was very scared of flying. You just did it over and over. I used to have to like full on like pass the fuck out every flight. Yeah. And now I'm pretty chill. That's tight. No. But yeah, same. I was actually very scared too. But that shit is horrifying. We're not supposed to be up there. No. And then when they hit that fucking turbulence, bro, like I fly a good amount. And like I've had a pilot explain it where it's like, dude, turbulence. Think about it as like waves on an ocean. If you're on a boat and the boat's going up and down, that's just waves. That's normal. You'll find he's like in the area of current. So like we're hitting that and it's just as natural as a boat hitting fucking water. Yeah. But dude, when it like goes on for a while and I always look at I always look at the flight attendant. If I see fear in their eyes, I'm like, yeah, we're fucked. We're done. Oh, once they sit down in those jump seats, I'm fucking tweaking. I'm tweaking. I mean, I feel like the turbulence, dude, it's got to be something telling us we're not supposed to be up there. You know, it's got up there. Could be God being like the fuck out of here. I'm not a religious guy until I'm on an airplane. And I'm I'm pretty fucking religious. Yeah, fuck. God damn, dude. Well, hey, anything else you want to talk about or you want to plug or fuck? I don't know, man. It's been fun. You know, I always love chatting about drugs. So you ever want to do more of that? You know, yeah, dude, for sure. I'm here to yeah, you know, absolutely. I think and again, I want to make sure I hit all the all the things. Yeah, your videos are great. I just I like the you seven ton of funny stories. Is there here? This is a question I think we could kind of go out on. OK. What what has been like, you know, because you're I'm sure whenever I feel like people are doing a lot of drugs, you're around very colorful characters. Oh, yeah. What is like the greatest, I would say, tragedy you've witnessed in terms of like a person just cleaning into the absolute abyss? Fuck, dude, probably my old coke plug. I've had the guy you smoked crack with. No, no, different. Different. That guy died, actually. So yeah, well, not thank God, but, you know, just different thing. You know, sure. Yeah. So that guy died, had to get a new coke plug. And he was a very friendly guy, a lot of face tattoos, you know, but like kind of hard to do. Yeah. But he he was out of jail on parole for like already selling blow and like had like a couple of newborn kids that he was raising and stuff. And like everything was going good. And then seemingly like out of nowhere, his baby mama, like, I don't know what happened like between them, but like he started believing that like she was cheating on him and the kids weren't his. And he was like kind of tripping about that and he would bring it up all the time. And then one day he buys a shroom chocolate bar off a friend of mine and he takes it and he starts tripping the fuck out on shrooms at like the family house. They're all staying with like, I don't know if it was his parents or her parents. They're like saying at the grandparents house with the kids to like take care of them. And he starts tripping the fuck out and he goes and like gets in an argument with his girl in front of the kids and like they get a little physical, but not like anything crazy, just like a, you know, a little slap back and forth. And then they separate later that night. I don't know if he took more of the shrooms or what, but he like had a complete freak out and he goes in the room, his kids are sleeping in and like beats the fuck out of them. And like one of the kids took like permanent damage, like vegetative state, like fucked and he got sentenced for a bunch of fucked up shit. And he's in jail for like 15 years, I think, or something like that, all because one night. And like prior to that, he seemed like he like loved these kids. Like he really, you know, he posted his kids all the time, took care of his family. He literally, I don't know if this is actually good taking care of the kids. We'd like have him in the back seat when he comes serve me, you know, like he loved the, you know, they were there. So and then one day he just disappears and one of my friends sends me the fucking news article and his girlfriend slash baby mama had a YouTube channel where like she posted a two part thing telling the whole story and like her face is all fucked up when the kids still in the hospital. They'd both lost custody of the kids. She doesn't have me there. Like it's fucked, dude. That's by far the most tragic thing I've ever, ever witnessed out of any drug addiction. Maybe that brings me back to my original point where people need to deal with their shit in a different way. Yes. That's sad. That's not the way. No. I mean, again, it's not. Yeah, that's a tough case because it's like, yeah, that's a dude definitely probably went into some sort of psychosis. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He tripped the fuck out and all it took was just one little one little dose. God dang. It's like that was like a sudden thing. It seems like almost you got to make sure you're in the right mental space. Yeah, there's definitely a lot of people act like you don't have to. But like you got to do some prep work before you. Yeah. You know. Yeah, that's fair. And it can get ugly. Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty gnarly. It's pretty much I think is gnarly as it gets. Yeah. Yeah. Close to it. I mean, it's it's just it's even worse nowadays to be. I'd imagine these young kids who are doing this shit. I did 10 years ago are experiencing way more tragic shit now because all their friends are probably croaking on fed. Yeah. Like it's fucked. Do you know is is Fent popular with kids now? The way like pills were popular? Well, yeah, actually, there is like there's even kids that like seek it out, you know, because it's like. If you're already doing opiates, especially any of the opiates, like kids who are like, oh, I just dabble in norcos and perks. That's becoming a rare breed by the day. Yeah, because all the norcos and perks now are. Fent, you know, and they don't prescribe that shit as much anymore. So it's harder to get, which just makes the Fent more common. That's why my rule of thumb is, dude, no pills, no pills, no powders. Yeah, you can have a good time smoking weed, doing mushrooms. Yeah, drink. If you really are trying to like party and get after it, you can have a ball. Powder pill free. That's that's why that's why I'm always like, I mean, you can you can risk it and be the man for 30 minutes. Yeah, fucking on blow or whatever, or just like chill out. Yeah, still have it. You can have a very I took acid recently went to a concert. Two months was enough fun for me for like a decade. I'm good. I'm good on fun for an entire. But it's like, I don't understand. That's the one part of me that's like, how what? Where else is it where you're like, this is cool. But like, I guess that's everything. It's like, let's just see how far we can take this. Yeah, you know, it's really fucked, too, is a lot of like you can't even rely on normal like reagent test kits anymore. Really? Because the amount of Fent that it takes for a test kit to declare that like it's positive for Fent is like a nanogram. So like, for example, if let's say anyone that like ever touched the bag of blow you just bought had ever interacted with Fent in a trace amount, like they had a little bit on their thumb and they touched the inside of the bag and like or maybe let's say it's even a reused bag. So like what's in there is not Fent, but someone reused their bag and they pull it out and drop it. It's going to test positive for Fent. He's probably good though. It is. It's good overall. But you're saying a lot of people don't view it that way. They're like, oh, it's saying everything's Fent. I know this isn't Fent. They just don't try. They don't test it. I see what you're saying. You know, yeah, I guess they were talking about they don't want to be wasteful. Yeah, I had a I briefly did a collab with a drug testing kit company and like we sold a like a couple batches of reagent testing kits and I would get the answer people all the time like, dude, I know my plug isn't selling Fent like this. It says it's this and like it's like, bro, what do you want me to do? Like the test says what it is, you know, and it's like better safe and sorry. If it's like why are you mad at me, bro? Like, go talk to your plug. And it's also like if it's in the house, it's just a matter of time. Exactly. Yeah. So it's yeah. People are never happy. People are never happy. No. Try to prevent them from getting the Fent overdose. And like, dude, this is fucking annoying. The most valuable lesson I think I've ever learned on the Internet is just to not try to make everyone happy. You can't. It's impossible. It doesn't work well. It's in life, too. It's like you can't do it in life, especially not the Internet. Yeah, it's possible. Yeah. It's a tough thing to get used to. Yeah, man, it is especially. Yeah, you get a lot of you get a lot of hatred. You deal with a lot of hatred online or is it pretty positive? I mean, I think especially since I've started posting shorts, I get a lot of hate comments now. But I think that's just the nature of shorts in general. Like if you post anything on TikTok, you know, the comments that you get is crazy. Yeah. And I don't even view it as hate. It's just like that's the nature of short comments. Like you crack jokes, you make fun of whatever you see, like try to get the most likes, you know, that's what it is. But like I don't deal with a ton of hate. I think I when I was younger and my audience skewed younger, I got a lot of hate from like older relatives and I would get emails from parents of like, my kid watched your video and I just found this and like I got an email. There was a mom who emailed me years ago. It's probably like twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen or some shit. And she was like, I like found my son watching your videos. I just want to let you know that my son thinks you're so cool and he's doing this drug, this drug, this drug and like he's ruining his fucking life because of you and like that seems like I get those, you know, but I don't view those even as hate comments. It's like, honestly, bro, if I was a parent, I'd probably write the message too. You know, yeah. I mean, also, I mean, the stuff of yours I've watched, you're not very you're not being like, dude, go out there and go crazy. It's more so like this is this is what happens when you do this. It's there's good stuff and there's bad stuff. Yeah, I try very hard to not encourage people to go do anything. But I mean, regardless, they're going to go do it either way if they want to. You know, that's also funny to be like, how about you please your kids? Yeah, yeah. Why are you you want me to parents him, dude? Send him over to my house or a fucking play date. He's a summer camp. Yeah, literally said he willed his camp, dude. Put him in the fucking woods for three months, please. Do something with him. Well, it is. Yeah, it's a charge subject. Drugs are a charge subject. Everyone says feelings one way or the other. So yeah, I guess that is kind of you can only you can only kind of go off like what works. A great story like Monsters Inc. Stays with you forever. And Disney Plus is where you'll find your next great story from the return of the award winning hit series, Rivals. Welcome to the naughtiest show on television to the unmissable crime drama, High Potential, got a dead body, gotta go. A lifetime of great stories awaits. This spring on Disney Plus 18 plus subscription required. T's and C's apply for you. What doesn't? Yeah, I love it. God, stay off the fence, dude. Yeah, stay off the fence. That's a good message to say. Yeah, I think that's a fair one. A fair one. Well, dude, thank you. Thank you, dude. I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. This was this was a good time. Yeah, man. You should come out to LA sometime. Come on, my show. If I'm out there, I will. For sure. Give me up. Do you love to have you? Hell yeah. Fuck yeah. Later, brother. Peace out, guys. Watch new episodes of Matt and Shane Secret podcast on Spotify. Do it.