3.47. End of Year Episode!

What's up, everybody? Welcome to another episode of Nobody Asked Us with Des and Kara, presented by Brooks Running. Boom. How you like that to end the year? That was fresh and clean. I like it. We're having malfunctions because my headphones just totally cut you out, Kara. Say something to me. Oh, can you hear me now? I can. All right, we're back. I was just saying that was a great intro, fresh and clean, perfect way to end the year. Good job. Yeah, and then my headphones cut out. So, hiccups galore. Nothing's ever perfect, but we're striving. How you been? How are things? I'm not going to lie. It's been stressful. When I talked to you last, we had gone about five days without power and that felt like a big deal, but we had found out that our house and our pipes had froze here in Minnesota. We got here on Saturday, we were in a good mood. There's a new deck on the house. We're like, everything looks so great. We were like, all right, here we go. Let's turn the water on. Let's see if there's any damage. And yeah, it was bad. Water started gushing out of the bottom of the house. The valves in the shower had blown off. And over the last three days, we've discovered five breaks underneath the house and three in the walls. And both showers have to be redone because the valves broke and cracked and then that affected the piping. So you know, real great for the end of the year here. But everyone's healthy. Everyone's healthy. And we are lucky that my mom was right down the street. So we've been hanging at her house. My sister and her, my aunt is here, my dad's sister's here. And then she was supposed to stay with us, but we're all at my mom's. And then my little sister and her husband and their three kids all rolled in yesterday. So we are comfy. We are all comfy over there and making it work. Yeah. Sharing just a couple of bathrooms with everybody. But everyone's like rolling with it, which is good. That's great. I feel like when you can go through those moments that are like, it's like tough, but then you have your family to support you. You kind of have the season of the holidays. Yeah. Giving and, you know, appreciation. You're like, okay, like this is good perspective, even though something crummy. And it looks like you have a Rubik's cube in your hand. How are you doing on that? Oh, it's, it's my mom's headphones. Because I forgot to bring my recording equipment. So sorry, I'm just fidgeting with. She has like a little case for her really old headphones. No, it's, this has been a huge headache and it has stolen a few days of our trip. So we're only here a few more days. But again, it's like, like saying God, my mom was right here because we could just be come over right away in the morning. Adam deserves the award. I've done nothing. I have come over and like checked it and brought coffee, but he was here for 11 hours on Sunday. He was here for about 11 hours again yesterday, working with all the people that have been out here. So I don't know. I wish that I need something to swing our way. Like we just need a break. But other than that, we're good. Everyone's healthy. And like you said, and my family, my older sister is actually in Ireland. So we saw her the night before she left. But a lot of my family's here and everyone's doing great. We're really together. So it's good. I love it. Awesome. Yeah. Well, it's been eventful here as well. I mean, a nice calm season for the most part. And then I think everyone across the country, I don't know, maybe this is a tunnel vision of where I live, but it seemed like everyone in the Midwest at least got crazy, whether wins. We lost power on our original scheduled day to record. I texted you guys and I was like, sorry. It wasn't nearly as long as yours was, but when it did turn back on, the furnace did not fire up. Oh no. So Ryan troubleshooted that most of yesterday. And by the end of the day, it was good. It was just good. It was just starting to get cold. Like I'm putting on another layer. Like, oh, please, let's look at this thing. We had options with starting a fire and things like that. But nothing's ever smooth. And it's like right when you have the moment to relax, I'm just going to be cozy and hang out. And then it's like, boom, problem. Yeah. So that's how it was. But little problems, easy solves for us, fortunately. And we're almost to the new year now. Yeah. Did you have a good Christmas? We did. It was pretty chill. We had Ryan's family up a couple of days after Christmas, did dinner with them. But Christmas Day was just hanging with the dogs, watching dogs open presents is absolutely hilarious. Did it actually pot on it? Yeah. No, well, like Rivers' ball obsessed. Like obsessed. And I don't know. I like, I wrapped a bunch of them up different ways. I didn't actually buy these. I just had them. And I was like, oh, this will be funny. But he went right for the round ones because it was very obvious and he tore those apart. But then there was like a couple that were put together in a different shape and he never bothered that one. So I was like, I wonder, like it has to be the smell. Huh. But he was very like confident about the one that was obviously a ball. So he tore those things up. Oh, that's funny. Yeah. Yeah. And so he, yeah, he went wild pretty much all morning long and then was exhausted the rest of the day. It was actually kind of funny. I was like, I had so much fun with my toys. And now I'm dead. Yeah, exactly. So that was entertaining. Yeah. What'd you guys get up to? Anything good? We also had a quiet Christmas, which I love. We, it's just the three of us and we have our like little routine. We open our stockings and that's the one day of the year I bake. Then we have coffee cake that I bake. And then we open presents and then we go for a walk. But this is pretty crazy. We walk the dogs usually around like one or two and we're done with presents and everything. And it was, I was in a shorts and a tank top. That's wild. I was like, what is happening? Yeah. This is crazy. Cause we always walk on Christmas and sometimes it's warm and you're wearing, you know, it's like a long sleeve and pants, but you're not in a tank top and shorts. Right. So it sounds great, but also made me worried. Yeah. That's going to be a rough wildfire season. And then that night, our friend, Marcus, who we, he, a lot of people in Boulder know him. He's like a, he's like a, he's like a, he's like a, he's like a, he's like a, he's like a body therapist, but he's also a drummer in a band and we've just become close with him. So he came over and we watched some of the new stranger things. Nice. Yeah. And then are you a stranger things person? No. I should be. Yeah. I feel like a lot of people really like it. I don't know if rent would do into it. So when it first started, cult was too young to watch it. So just Adam and I watched it. And then he like, I want to say, I can't remember. It was the third or fourth season. He really like pushed us and we let him watch it. watch it. And then we rewatched it all to catch up with him before whatever season it was that was coming out. It must have been season four. And then we've all been eagerly awaiting season five. And I cannot believe like my entire social media algorithm is all about stranger things, which I guess tells you it's like all cats and stranger things. So that's kind of good. I feel like that's a good like cleanse of the feed. Yeah. So well, like Marcus watches stranger things. And so that was great. He's wasn't caught up, but he didn't care. He's chill like that. But like my sister and her family don't watch it at all. Yeah. Tomorrow night's the last show ever. And I'm like, well, I mean, like we have to watch it. Yeah. You know, and we watched the seventh episode a couple nights ago before she got here with my mom who's never watched an episode. And I'm like, don't ask any questions because it's gonna it's so confusing. And this season in particular is like the last one. So they're tying up all these storylines. So usually it's I actually think it's fine, but usually the show's more fun. There's more like 80 stuff. They're at school. There's like real things happening where this season it's like they're just tying everything up and they're fighting the bad guy for the very last time. So there's like so much information. If you haven't watched it, it's like, what the hell are they talking about? You can't just jump in on this one. You can watch it with us, but no questions. Yeah. Maybe it'll be enough like storylines. It should be like, I want to start from the beginning. Yeah. Well, she's like, I don't like scary stuff. And I'm like, well, it's not real. You know, like, it's like cult was never scared. It's not it's not real. You know, is it like monsters or what kind of these stranger things? Yeah. So it's it's this town in the 80s and like weird things happen. This one he gets kidnapped. That's the first season he gets kidnapped by the underworld, essentially. Underworld and they're all fighting to try to get him back. And there is some there's some scary stuff. Like there's bad people underneath us that like kidnapped him right in this other dimension. But it's it's so far fetched that it's like, like cult would watch these like scenes of people getting eaten by demodogs or demogorgons. And he's like, whatever, then you go to bed, you know, like it's not it's not real. Understood. But this fantasy world. Yeah. And I'm like usually not into that, but I've loved it. And I think so much of it is I grew up in the 80s. And so it's like, I'm like, I've got like my little sister and I were looking through photo albums yesterday. I'm like, this is the outfit they're wearing right now. And just so many of the things now they ride their bikes everywhere and how they like the whole I know it got a lot of criticism, but the whole third season takes place at like the mall. And like that was so cool. And we got the mall, you know, so it's like, it's so nostalgic. And maybe if people are joining it late, that's why they aren't liking as much this season. Because that 80s, it's still in the 80s, but they're not doing 80s things. Just wearing the clothes. Yeah, they're yeah, and they're just like fighting. You know, um, anyway, I really, really like it. And it'll be sad when it's over. You have a big viewing party coming up. Yeah, on the agenda. Yeah, I know if we can't watch it tomorrow, I'm gonna have to stay off the internet for a few days. So you can watch it with your feet the way it is now. Yeah, it's so bad right now. It'll be so bad right now. And it's so weird. People so I mean, I don't want to give too much away, but like, there's a scene with this kid that's been building and people are like losing their minds over it. And it's so weird. I'm like, it's a show. This is affecting your life that much. You might want to go talk to someone. Right. There. Yeah, it's a show. It's a show. Oh, you know what show I finish watching? What that we talked about on here the morning show. Oh, yeah, me too. Okay, would you feel about the closure of I can't believe we haven't talked about this. I could not be more annoyed that she was like the martyr giving back the gold medals. And the other woman was just taking it and supposed to be so grateful. Yeah. And she got to be like the martyr. I don't know. Tell me your thoughts on it. I was just like, I'd be like, I don't want this from you. You cheated. To get it. Yeah, I feel like I'd spent a while since I watched it. I was glad she finally owned it. But she did get to be like propped up and like, Oh, you're so good for doing this. So like, that's actually not what it is at all. It was interesting. I do. I feel like her and her husband like they were really conflicted. And it was actually like way more tense. So the fact that there was some tension and guilt and like all these different factors for the wise, none of it mattered. But it was nice to see her struggle with it. Like, yeah, I agree, like fucked up. And I really this has been gnawing at me. But again, at the end of it, she was like portrayed as the good person, even though it only happens because you're the bad person. Right. Right. And I agree that the turmoil between her and her husband seemed like that would be realistic conversations that are happening and the disappointment in each other. But then at the end, she like gave her her medal on live TV to boost her ratings. And she looked good. I'm like, I'm telling you right now, if I was supposed to be the Olympic gold medalist and the woman who cheated, she's not handing me the medal. No, it's not her moment. Right. And I'm not saying thank you. The girl's like, thank you so much. I'm like, you. Yes. Where's my bag of cash? There's my parade. So anyway, we never discussed that. But I was like glad that she lost the medals because it was so unrealistic that she wouldn't. But in the end, she got to choose that. And that's not how it works either. So. Yeah. And she also averaged that moment for her entire career. Right. Right. There's other parts of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm glad we did talk about that because I remember watching the rest and being like, okay, well, like at least she's owned up. But yeah, dot, dot, dot. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. Well, this is a good way to kind of pivot into some news in the past couple of days. I guess it's only been a couple of days. And I feel like we kind of gone off on the NCAA a number of times this year. And so I don't know. I don't even know if we should be talking about them anymore. But they made the news again with Cross Country in D3. Do you want to give us a quick hit recap of what happened? Yeah. So essentially, there's this D3 runner in his, I'm just going to double check his names that I'm not messing it up. But I believe it's Moe Boddy. Moe Boddy. He runs for Augsburg by Alla County. He's a great guy, great teammate, great person in the community. He works overnight shifts to help pay for college. He was having, he's a great runner, I think second at the National D3 Championships. He's running a 210 marathon, I think semi-recently, really good runner, but really great community member. And like I said, works in addition to training and going to college. And he was short for his tuition. And I don't know exactly how they did it. If it was a go fund me or what, but his community raised about $6,000 to help him pay for his tuition. And the NCAA found out and now he's banned from competing for a year. Bonkers. Absolutely insane. Completely out of touch. And it's something that seems so, it's almost like, I feel like it's like taxes. Like you didn't put it in the right account. So it's going to cost you this much. It's like, if you had made that a different, if you named it differently, if you had given it to him in a different type of way, like that's, that's happening, right? I mean, I guess, is he an American citizen? Yes. Okay. So then NIL would apply, you know, there's, yes. So that's what I, I'm comfortable. Yeah. At first I was like, well, maybe you can't have NIL and D3. Like I'm just confused, but you can. Okay. The NCAA ruled that it wasn't NIL, it was a donation and you can't have that. And I'm like, this is, they're all donations. Yes. Also, if his parents just wrote him a check, this wouldn't be an issue. So I'm just super confused at like, why, I guess my problem is why have a lot of problems, but why are, why are we going after this? Right. Well, yeah. He was an outstanding member of his community, who's a great person, who has community fundraised to make sure he could finish college. We're like, no, screw you. It's actually about getting the education as well. Like I actually want to finish school. I did see, meanwhile, as this is happening, I saw something in, I think the NBA, where it was a guy who was in the draft, got drafted, went pro, and then played professionally in Europe is now going to start his eligibility in the NCAA as a freshman. It's like, how can these two things be in the news at the same time? It's, it's crazy. But it's a downer. And I don't feel like this shows should be a downer show. So I know. But I just want to say like, we have Mo's back, right? Yes. I mean, I think, yeah, I don't, I don't, I mean, I guess I don't know what you can do for someone like that in this situation. Like, is it folks coming together and finding him an NCAA lawyer? Or how do you actually help him? But, and then also if you're him, like, are you open to getting help from outside sources at this point? Would it actually cost you something last time? Or are you just like jaded? Right. I mean, the NCAA ruled that it was, the NCAA ruled that it was impermissible financial aid, not NIL income. So like, couldn't a local business be like, oh, no, that's from us. Right. I just feel like, like semantics, right? What are we doing here? Like, yeah, anyway, I feel really bad for him. I think it's really sad. And just as you said, this person actually cares about getting their education. Right. Not just running. And we're like, yeah, you broke the rules. I mean, I guess the other side of that is like, I hope he finishes his degree, even if the running thing is compromised. Like, you know, maybe, maybe someone will step up and sponsor him as a pro and just be like, you know what, fuck him. Right. You're running pro and have you finish your degree. That would be great. But it's still costly. Like, to take away experience, like you're trying to get kids to stay in the NCAA, develop, have that experience, have that team culture and all of those things and not go pro early because you miss out on so much. And then they're like, no, that's not valuable at all. You're out of here. Right. I don't know. It's so frustrating. Okay, wait, it sounds like you had something more positive to say. No, I didn't. I was just going to turn the page and talk about something more positive. I got nothing. That's it's super frustrating. But as we said all year, the NCAA is, it seems like the Wild West right now. And I guess that's like really old school rules and like something that in the past, you know, you would just like, of course, like you can't. Yeah, well, Adam and I were talking about this morning. Yeah, we were talking about this morning, like we couldn't even pull our own frequent fire miles when we were in college. It was like my senior year that you were allowed to actually get credit. So and now you see kids pulling up in Range Rovers and all this stuff that, you know what I mean? They're getting like $200,000 on top of their free tuition or whatever just to go to school. So it's like, it's changed so much. And I guess that's why it's just, I just don't understand, we've changed the rules so much to professionalize the NCAA. And how is there this loophole that this kid who just wants to get his education gets screwed? Right. Yeah, not from the community. Yeah, crazy. This is crazy. Anyway, we can move on. I just feel bad for him. And I guess he's appealing the decision. I hope that they change their mind. But yeah, yeah, NCAA, they got some problems. Figured out NCAA. Yeah. Okay, moving on. Okay. What else is going on in the running, in the running world? Any news? Did I miss anything? Not really. I mean, there's the whole Emily Venter situation where I haven't kept up on it. Well, basically the athlete in front of her has been removed from the results. And she was told by someone at the NCAA that it was because she tested positive for something. But the athlete said, no, no, no, that's not why it was an academic situation. My thing is, who cares what the reason is? Yeah. If she's removed from the results, just move everybody up a spot. Right. Like, it's not that hard. That's what they do it for the world championships. They do it for the Olympics. They do it, you know what I mean? Like, it really doesn't matter what the situation, why this person was removed. That's their own thing. But once the person's removed, she's removed, she's removed. Just move everybody up. It's just and people will say, well, like a lot of people are on Emily Venter's side, but there are a few people who says, who cares? It was three years ago. I would care. And you would care too, I bet. And I'm not saying you, but these people who say that, if you found out three years later, you were the NCAA champion, you would probably care too. And it would have mattered three years ago when she was shopping for soup. She sponsored some. So it's just like, I just don't get it. Like, just move them up. Yeah. It's all on the database. You just go, delete. Well, she's already been removed. But now it's just like second through seventh or whatever. It's the numbers. Yeah. Anyway, it just feels like, I just, I guess I just don't understand, like, who does that benefit? How does that help NCAA athletes? Right. I mean, I guess if you're in a prize money situation, you could have an argument, right? Well, we don't want to go back and roll down to the last person and then adjust all the prize money, yada, yada, which you should anyways. But I don't, yeah, like maybe they don't want to get a new trophy. Like, how many trophies are going to have to get? I bet no one cares about the trophies. You know, they just want to be able to say, NCAA champion or NCAA runner up. I mean, anyway, it just feels like both of these situations are just no brainers. Yeah. Like just move the person up and this person's community was supporting him. Like they're not, he's not trying to get a leg up on anybody or sneak some fun. So I don't know. And then I guess it just contrasts that with what football and basketball and even some track athletes are getting. You're like, what are we doing here? Right? This is, yeah. Small problems. Yeah. When we should be paying attention to the big stuff. Maybe think about getting drug testing. Exactly. Let's worry about that. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, we can move on. Okay. Let's get to something happier. What do you feel like talking about? Do you want to do just like a big end of the year recap here? Or did you have any other topics? I really didn't have any other topics. I've been living in like homeowner hell. Oh, no, you know what? I'm going to say that's not true at all. I think that we do have a good happy topic that we do have a topic. Yeah. Okay. What about Houston? What's going on in Houston? I know. I'm super excited. It's coming up quick. It came together quick. Shout out to Chris McClung who got it done. But we are kicking off our year. We're going to have more live shows this year. We're kicking off our year with our first live show at Houston Marathon on January 9th. Isn't that right? Sounds right. Okay. It's the ninth. Friday the ninth at 7pm. And we're excited to see everybody and just kick off the year and in a good mood and interact with everybody. So yeah, we have tickets available. They're in both of our Instagram bios. I think they're for sure. I'm sure you've posted the link a few times. So it's out there. We would love to see you guys. Last year, everyone showed up and it was a great crowd. We had fun talking about the fields and what we thought was going to happen, but also just memories in Houston. And it's just a good energy to kick off the year, I feel like. It was so fun last year. The crowd was awesome. We got some awesome questions too. So we kind of sat on it and decided at the last minute, but we're hoping you guys still come out and celebrate the new year with us and celebrate the marathon and hang out with us on Friday night. That's good news. That's great news. The energy shifted the mood. So let's recap your big picture. I was thinking maybe we could do a big top five. Maybe we can each have five. So it could be 10 total. And it can be we can do personal or we can do in the sport or we can do both. You're a call. Okay. I like it. Okay. What do you want to start with? Okay. I can think of one off the top of my head that I thought was really fun this year that has nothing to do with me. But one of the most inspirational moments of the year for me, running wise, was seeing Cole Hawker win the 5,000 at the World Championship after being dequeued in his primary event, the 1500, the way he handled it, the way he accepted his fate in the 1500, you know, like just accepted it on the chin and turned it around stayed hyper focused as the kids say, locked in and like put away the noise and came back and became world champion in the 5,000. For me, that's like a moment that I'm always going to remember. Just like when he got disqualified in the 1500, it was so shocking and so disappointing. And it would have been so easy for him to crumble. I mean, I think everybody would have understood like come out in the prelim of the five and just not have a good run. But instead, he had a great semi, got through cleanly and then in the final just ran amazing. So that's a huge that was a that's a big 2025 moment for me that I'm going to remember. And it was like epic too. It was just like in this monster downpour. I mean, it'd be a good movie scene if they make a Cole Hawker movie. I agree. Maybe they have the material now. So I that was an awesome moment for sure. And it was cool to be in the stadium. Yeah, that was empty years ago and like have the energy, you know, in Tokyo. So that's a great one. Yeah, thanks. I kicked us off. Now you go. Okay, for we'll stick with athletics, I'm going to go with I'm thinking beginning of the year and going to try to work down because I think some of the early stuff gets lost when you focus on the end of the year. I'm going with Eric Kemp Redemption Marathon. Oh, yeah. He did her debut was a little rocky. And that was in Boston, got experience. But Boston's just it's a different course. And it's hard to really learn the event. And she went to the trials, I think she had to drop out early on. And so like round twos not really going her way in Houston last year, she was out so hard. I was like, holy shit, I'm not sure if this is the right way to kind of, you know, put one under your belt and have the good experience. And she just she knew her training, she trusted it. She took a huge swing and connect it all connected. So it was really awesome to watch her just cruising in at the end, she looked really good to like that there's more, you know, left in her and time to be chopped off of that that race. And so that was that was fun to watch. And I got to do the race call. So it was, you know, really cool to talk about it live and then reflect on that. And yeah, I think that she's got a lot more great marathons in her future. But that that day was pretty cool to see her just like, know what she was capable of, but also put it on the page like again, in my mind, it's one thing, but I've made it a reality. So that was yeah, that was awesome. I mean, she had a huge PR, right? She just just crushed. And yeah, it was like minutes, like 10, 10 plus, I think. Yeah. Yeah, Erica, that was awesome. Okay. Speaking of female athletes, who just got better all year long, starting in January in indoors, I'm going to go with Jane Headingren, who started the indoor season running some indoor miles and three K's indoors and then moved her way through the outdoor season and just collected high school records that ever meet you into in every single distance. And then she went to the NCAA and everyone was like, well, I don't know now she's actually going to be challenged. She got second at the National Championship in cross country behind, I mean, arguably the best NCAA cross country runner ever, Doris. And then what, like two weeks later, she broke the NCAA indoor 5000 meter record. So from start to finish, it was just an amazing year for her. And it was crazy to watch her. I remember watching her, it might have been February or March at her first indoor meet. And then to see that parlay into what she ended the year with, it's truly incredible. Yeah, like I was impressed then. Heck of a run, right? Yeah. Yeah, just to keep that momentum and once you experience that high and you're like, okay, maybe this is the peak for her. And just keep like getting better. Yeah, it's exciting. Just an awesome year and to be able to stay healthy and to handle all the pressure that she had just claps for her. It was an awesome year and it was fun to follow. Yeah, I agree. Good one. Okay, I'm going to stick with the females and my list is fairly Brooks heavy. So bias, of course, but it is what it is. Two people in this one, I'm going to go with Annie Frisbee and Jess McClain in Boston, just going after it, sticking their nose in that front group, staying with it for late in the race. I think they had a little bit different strategies. I think Annie was a little bit more aggressive, but she held it together well when she was starting to fall off. You think that it's going to be a blow up and like, okay, that was way too much of a swing, but she just battled and had a really solid day. I think a lot of people thought Annie could run that fast and perform at that part of the pack and she proved it. And then I think Jess McClain just showed she's going to be a contender in the world marathon majors for several years now. I think she's gotten comfortable with it coming off New York last year. It was like, holy shit, this is a bigger stage. This is a bigger moment and she managed it fine, but now she's managing it really, really well. And so that was a nice breakthrough from her that I appreciated. I like that. This might be stealing one of yours. So if it is, just tell it in your words later. But I would say the American women at Boston Marathon this year in general were really good, super strong. As you mentioned, Annie and Jess McClain was the first American, then Annie and then Dakota was there. And there was all these amazing women, including my co-host, Desiree Lyndon, who ran blistering fast in what was your last professional marathon with all of the pressure and all the emotion that came with that. You totally freaking knocked it out of the park. It was so cool. It was so awesome. It was so fun watching your rundown boil since street and be appreciated. Like for what you have done there, what you've done for the marathon and for the city. And then for me, one of my favorite moments that I'm never going to forget is all of the American women, Emma Bates, to everyone waiting for you at the finish line and giving you your acknowledgement because I don't think there's a single woman there that wouldn't say that you have influenced their career in somewhere or another. So it was just super cool. I was so happy that you had such a good day. Yeah. You know, that you got to say like, this is it. And the fact that you said that is just like so much pressure, but you were like, this is my last professional marathon. And you crushed it. Like you ran your fastest marathon in a couple of years. So it was just so, or maybe more, I don't know, but it was awesome. Minnawell. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. It was awesome. Yeah. Okay. It was over. That's it. Can't get better than that. It was a laptop. No, the show must go on. Thank you. I'm going to try to bring my head back in for a little bit of rest of this. All right. That's a great one. I love that. I'm going to go again, sticking with the women here. I'm going to go with Susanna Sullivan. Oh, yeah. Who ran out of her mind at the World Championships. That was so fun to watch. Like, I think maybe the theme of mine is people just taking risks. You know, it was like, should she be leading the World Championships by this much, this soon in this heat? Is this like, how is this going to work out? She did a great job. And it was, one took the risk to when it got hard. She just battled like crazy. I think most people were like, oh boy, like when this pack comes, they're going to gobble her up. And the pack just dwindled down so much chasing her that she was able to fight and hold that spot forth for so long. Obviously, want to be on the podium and who is it? Julia? I don't know her last name. Pee. We should know this. Yeah, I know. I know she's from Paraguay. Uruguay. Uruguay. So close. But yeah, I mean, an amazing run by her as well is very calculated and, you know, people would say very smart racing. But I think so much of her medal, if I were her, I'd be thanking Susanna. You know, like it was like this weird teamwork. They're not on the same team. But I think that she just strung out that field so much and made them work so hard in that middle section that folks who maybe played it a little safe or a little more patient had the advantage of picking off all of those people who kind of had to take their own risk in the middle parts of the race. So it was a great race to watch. It was was really pumped for Susanna. Obviously, the Brooks team as a whole being on that squad with Erica, Susanna and Jess, that was a highlight as well. Just seeing them line up and then hog it to finish line. Come on. Yeah, that was really cool. Also, movie material. Yeah. I want to just like add to your, just echo what you just said about when Susanna got caught by the pack, I thought she was just going to like keep moving back. But she held her ground and then she even moved up again. And I was like, okay, okay, Sullivan, I see you. And I just, she got fourth in the world. And I'm just excited for her because now she knows she belongs. She talked a lot about like, I wasn't a the best on the team and I wasn't this and I wasn't that. But it's like, you're just fourth in the world on a legit field. Like, that's pretty damn good. Yeah, big time. Okay, well, I'm going to stick with female marathoners now that we're on this because she just popped in my mind. The return of Fiona O'Keeffe. Yeah, that's a great one. It was so awesome. I was so happy for her. Like we saw her get injured and not, she started the race in Paris, but didn't make it very far and had a long recovery. It sounded like it was a pretty serious injury. And you just never know how people are going to come back from stuff like that. Like talent doesn't go away, but it can take years to start to build yourself back. And I just feel like she was so smart and patient. She took her time. She worked her way back. And then she was like, I'm ready. And she was ready. She came to New York and just destroyed it fourth place. I can't remember her time, but it was like 222 or something like that. Like flying. Yeah. And it was just, I think it's good for people to see like, you can come back from pretty major stuff, especially when you're smart. I mean, she didn't rush back, right? She took her time. Very calculated. Yeah. And I was just super happy for her and pumped about that performance. And yeah, it was just, it's just cool to see someone return. Yeah. She's such a killer, which is so funny because she's like the sweetest person in the world. I know. I know. How does she step into that mindset when she's on the course where she's like, slice your throat, you know, like she's just out there battling. I mean, that like such an iconic photo of her bleeding during her debut marathon, you're like, okay, she's a warrior. This is amazing. She's going to have an amazing career. And yeah, we were just seeing the beginning of it. Yeah, super cool. Yeah. All right. I guess I'll talk about them then. There was an okay marathon performance this year by Mr. Connor Mantz. He was had, I mean, just an incredible year when you look at it, big picture, ran American record in Houston on the half and then came into Boston. It was really fighting for that podium spot late just off it by seconds, just get out, kick down that Boylston stretch, which I'm sure he'll be calculating and fixing and tweaking announced for Boston next year. So I think that we'll see a little different outcome next year. And obviously, I think the big moment of his career of year this year is the American record in Chicago in the marathon, which has been long overdue. We've had plenty of guys with enough talent to kind of fight for it. But you can't hang on that alone. You have to actually punch it through and Connor got it done on a good day in Chicago. And yeah, now we have a new American record and kind of the face of men's marathoning right now. American marathoning right now is Connor Mantz. And yeah, it's going to be exciting to see what he does next because I think he's right on the cusp before that Chicago race. It was like, kind of fighting for podiums and I'm getting closer and just like sent it on that one. So again, just off the podium, which I think Chicago when it's all about times and things like that, it's a little bit different. But I think next year with that confidence and that breakthrough, you could see another level up from him. Oh yeah, I think we're going to see something special at Boston probably. Yeah, it's a good place to do it. Okay. Well, this will be my fifth one. I'm going to go in a totally random direction and say we've talked about the return and these crazy moments, but I'm going to save the arrival of Colt Goucher to high school running. It's been so fun watching him run update on his running. He's only run three times since the Brooks race, the regional race. So he's just starting to get back into it. But we're in no rush because he's young and all that stuff. But just seeing him get into it and seeing him like start to set goals and him seeing just like believe like he could be one of the best guys on Far City and kind of moving up and I don't know. It was just so fun to see him like grow so much as an athlete and as a person this year. So I was really happy for him. And you know what's funny is I think because he was so into running and it was building his confidence. He did super awesome in school. Oh nice. That's great. Yeah, he got a 4.0. Not even 4.1. Yeah. And it's like I'm so proud of him. And it's like, I think like the confidence in the running helped his confidence in school. And it's like that's a lot how when I was running well in college, I was getting good grades too. It just like the confidence in one kind of seeped over to the other. So yeah, I'm just like really, really proud of him and excited for the years ahead. Nice. That's great. All right. I'm going to go selfishly about us and say save the 10,000. Not the greatest turnout of a meet. We had trouble getting athletes but most importantly, we said we were going to do something. We had a short window and we did the dang thing. We did. I think your ones are really hard as we've seen with other ventures and how they start and how you pull things together. So I was super proud of us for taking on the challenge and again, taking that risk when you just don't know how it might work out. And I think we created a really cool opportunity. I thought I also think both of our races were so fun. Like they were really entertaining, fun races. You could go back and watch them on YouTube. And yeah, it was fun to do that broadcast and just try different things. I think the sport says innovation all the time and kind of throws out the same stuff. I'm not saying that running a 10,000 in the track is unique, but I think former athletes deciding like what can we do to help the sport and then also having the chance to do a broadcast with you was like that was really fun. I mean, if nothing else comes from save the 10,000, having the opportunity to do that and give a bunch of money to athletes who showed up and race their hearts out, that was really, really rewarding. So that was in the top five for me. Yeah, that's perfect. I love that. Would you want to call it? I feel like this is good. For the first time ever, we're having a short episode. Everybody happy new year. We love you. We'll see you next week and we hope to see you in Houston. Yeah, get those Houston tickets. We'll see you there.