Presenting: Julia on Good Hang with Amy Poehler

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And this week, it's me and my good buddy, Amy Polar, on her show Good Hang. Okay, Amy is one of the funniest people I know, and she gets brilliant guests like Tina Faye and Kristen Wigg and Ina Garten. And this is my hang with Amy and after you listen, be sure to follow the show wherever you get your podcasts or on YouTube. We'll be back with new episodes of Wiser than me in the new year. Until then, happy holidays. Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of Good Hang. We just have such a pro. We have the queen. We have just the hilarious, incredible, inspiring Julia Louis-Dreyfus joining us today. And we talked to Julia about so many fun, good things. We talk about season four of her podcast Wiser than me. We're going to talk about her Emmy domination and how she just beat me year after year. We're talking about how many photos we have on our phone and spoiler alert. I have more. And you're going to hear her reject my idea that she is LeBron James of television. So great episode coming up. But before we start, we always like to check in with someone who knows our guest, who has a question to give me to ask our guest. And we have an incredible, sweet, super talented, hilarious, Tony Hale joining us. Tony, who you might know from a rest of development, Buster Bluth, what a character. He played Gary on Veepe, incredible character. He is the voice of fear and inside out two incredible character. We love Tony. And let's check in and see if we can hear him from his incredible studio, Tony. Are you in a booth in a recording booth? Okay, this is a little booth I made in my house. And if I really showed it to you, you'd be like, oh, that's sad. Tony needs help. First of all, everyone now, you're, you're nobody if you don't have a booth in your house. Really? I'm ahead of the game. This is like feels like a COVID thing. Yeah. You build a wall and you make it soundproof and you start a podcast. Soundproof-ish. If I really showed it to you, go, oh, I get it now. That's a, that's a, he's on the witness protection program. Oh, it's so good to see you. We first met on the set of a rest of development back in whatever that was. Yeah, actually was that, I think, was that the first time? I think we might have first met when Martell was on SNL because my wife was a makeup artist on SNL. And I think, but I was, I was just the guy next to her that was like, ooh, I'm not going to say anything to Amy. No, no. And so I don't know if we actually met, but I just kind of probably stared at all you guys. Yeah, your very talented wife, Martell, was a makeup artist during my years at SNL. And then we got to know each other on the set of rest of it. And I mean, Buster Blues, what, we'd, we'd, we'd need a movie about what's on going on in his head. Yeah, there was a lot going on in his head. And, and he could barely get the pharmacy. But he, just, oh man, there, somebody was, was asking me the other day about just the codependency, you know, that's in that show between me and Lucio Bluth, who was played, you know, wonderfully by Jessica Walter. And there is a scene in there, which so is such a beautiful picture of the codependency where she's on house arrest and she can't smoke. And so she tells me she goes Buster, come here, come here. And she says she makes me inhale the smoke out of her mouth as she smokes and then blow it out in the balcony. And then she takes another drag and then blows it into my mouth. And I've got to exhale in the balcony. And I was like, if, just like a baby bird getting a worm out of his mouth. And I was like, if that's not a picture of dysfunction, that, I mean, that is crazy. Well, to me, that's a picture of a loving son taking care of their mother. You know what Amy? I think this is a side conversation. That's what a son should do for its mother. You're absolutely right. My mother would agree. You have created such great, codependent dysfunctional relationships in the work that you do. Because Lucio and Buster, I mean, is, and then the relationship you and Julia have on VEEP is how, when you explain your relationship to Selena in that, like, how do you relate, how do you, how do you sum up the relationship you guys have together on the show, your characters? I worship. She was Jesus to me. I was, I don't even think I, I mean, I, she literally called me a bitchy mime on the show because she didn't really want me to speak. So she had, she gave me no value, but I just had these crazy rose-colored glasses and just, I never heard it. I just heard poetry when she was screaming at me. So it was just, and she knew it. She knew it and she abused it. It looked like you two had an incredible working relationship. Like, it just looked like you loved working together. We really did. And she, the one thing, I mean, you did the same thing on, on Parks and Rec, but it's, you, whoever is number one in the call sheet, which means whoever's the star of the show, they typically set the tone of the experience. And sometimes, unfortunately, that's, I haven't had this experience, but, you know, sometimes it's like, everybody's walking on eggshells and there's a lot of ego and entitlement with just sucks creative energy out of a space. And it's just not a gift to anybody. And then sometimes you have like you or Julia where you walk in and it's just, it's, it's open. We're all on the same team. There's a kindness. There's a respect. And let me tell you right now, it is a gift for the next seven years. Yeah. That show of what she gave us. And we just loved her and we just became friends. I mean, she's also work is not her number one priority. Her family is. She is a life outside of it. And I know just the humanity of Julia was really just awesome, awesome to be around. Yeah. And you know, you, I think you, because you're a deep thinking person, to deep, to deep. Some people say too deep. So that's the rumor. Tony Hill, too deep. Damn it. That should be the name of my partner. Too deep to what would be the book? It would be Tony Hill or somebody's or I'm talking to somebody and they start saying something I go, not deep enough. You got a go deeper, go deeper. Actually, go deeper, go deeper, go deeper, go deeper. Not deep enough. I'm like, bye bye. Go deeper. And then in its go deeper, comma, get back up to the surface. You've gone too deep. Way too deep. So I asked my zoom guests to give me a question to ask my guest. And I'm wondering if you have a question big, small, deep, not deep for Julia that you think would be appropriate. One thing that I always love to witness with Julia was her relationship with her mom. She really loves and respects her mom. And I, I've, we never really talked about, we talked about her mom a lot, but never really talked about much of her growing up and growing up what she remembers, kind of how her mom cultivated that foundation. Mm-hmm. You know, because it's such a cool thing to watch now. And I'm like, oh, wow, like, what did your mom do right? You know? Yeah. It's a great question. What did your mom do right? Yeah. That's actually a, I think, that's kind of, that's kind of like the theme of your 50s and 60s. Because you're, listen, I love to generalize. So I apologize in advance. But if your 20s and 30s are like, who am I not? And I don't want to do this and like, what didn't go right? Then as you get older, you start to realize what else, what, what did I, what the people who raised me, what did they, you know, they're doing the best they can, what did they do right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can, you can really see it with the, the fruit of that with her, with her relationship. And, you know, both of you and I are parents and I want, I want that kind of longevity that she has with her mom. Man, what an awesome gift. Yeah. So right about the 50s kind of having eyes to see things, which is such a gift. That's, that's too deep. That's that we wouldn't be. We've gone to, yeah, that's the second week of too deep, which is my favorite dessert is Q on five. Thank God. Let's get back up. You know what? I mean, I'm not trying to change lives here, Tony. You know what I mean? Like we're trying to have a laugh. This is a good hang. Those, those, sorry. And look, I took you down. I put the weights on our ankles and I brought us down. I was about to go into like dessert, the sugar does hurt my stomach, but I do, I want to keep it up. Stay up. Stay up. I'm not going to say anymore. So also maybe if I follow up the, maybe if I asked Julia the question about her mom, I should follow up with what your favorite kind of pie. I will say what's her favorite dessert? I want to say I think it might be a really good chocolate cake, but I don't know if that's true. Well, I feel like I would trust you knowing everything about Julia after Veepe. Yeah. I didn't know anything about politics on that show, but I knew what designer she was wearing. I knew what Julia was wearing. I knew who just had an affair that she was talking to. I knew all that stuff. You kept tampons in your bag just in case. Different colors. Several. That's a real man. Thank you. That's a real man. Thank you. No, why they haven't put me in a Marvel movie. Oh, the guy that's tampons it is back. Me, me, me. I got it. I got it. I got my, I got, I have an anti-bacterial wipes too. Well, I feel like you should be in a Marvel movie. And also, you're in Toy Story. Toy Story 5 is coming out and you're in that. If I was coming out forky, sweet little forky, man. Forky was the best. That's so great. Yeah. Forky has a lot of questions. What's forky's game? What's going on with forky? I'll get to it again. Here we go. Going down. You're like forky is like, why are we here? Forky is like why we're here. But also the fact that he came into the world being like, I'm trash. I'm just trash. And would he's like, no, you're more than trash. You're made for a purpose. Come on. Oh, that pigs are a man. That pigs are a man just get you. They just get you every time. So I think that'll come out this summer. And this theme of this one is toys against tech, which I think is a really cool. Ooh. Yeah, that's very cool. That's very cool. Yeah. Well, as long as you guys don't come after my phone. You can say all you want about tech, but my phone is my best friend. What if when the movie comes out like the SWAT team just goes to your house and goes to Amy? What if the very tech just wins? It's like, yeah, no more choice. Amy is really a spokesperson for AI when everyone's concerned big time AI. We need AI. Okay. The ambassador, AI's ambassador polar. Tony, I love you. See you later. 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Julia Louis-Dreyf's is here and we've started our interview by comparing how many photos we have on our film. I would call it a competition if you don't mind. Well, I want to talk about this because what I like about you is you like to win. I do like to win. I know. I love that about you. Let's reveal the numbers of photos we have on our phone. I'll go first. Go ahead. 82,000. Oh. Shit. Is that winning or losing? Is it winning or losing? That I have 82,000 photos on my phone. Wait, you made it to a round number like that? I know. It's 82,014. 82,014. What do you have? I'm 56,276. Shop, shop. Screw you, Amy Poler. Now, you know what it means is that we have not asked a young person to plug in our phone and to transfer our photos somewhere else. But I want to have them on my phone. Me too. There you go. But we should be downloading them somewhere else, right? Don't they do that automatically in the cloud? I'm literally the last person to ask. Somebody call Bill Gates. We can get them on the phone because now when I get a new iPhone, I hand it to my 17-year-old child and I go fix it. Do it. I guess I don't even know how to do it. Do it. You don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it either. But this is making me anxious. I need to take these all off of you. I want there are certain pictures I want to have. Agreed. But let me ask the Gen Z years in the room. Do you guys take your photos off your phone at some point? Never. Never. See, we're young and hip all of a sudden. Okay. We're really sounding old, though, because I feel the same way like I sweat. Technology makes me sweat. That's right, mother. It does. Yes, mother. Yes. Speaking, are you comfy, by the way? You need anything. Okay, great. Let's turn off that phone. Hold on. Julia's phone is dingy. Did you get another picture? Did you get another picture sent to you? I'm up to 56,600. Okay, by the way, my phone is also on. Oh, hang on. I just want to fix it. Okay. Anyway, now it's silenced. Okay. Yes. I want to start by asking you about podcasting, because we're both podcasting now. I know. I didn't really ask a lot of people for advice before I started this podcast. You should have called me, by the way. I know. I didn't ask any men, because I'd try not to ask men for advice. Smart. But what do you think makes a good interview? You've done great interviews now. You've done many of them. What do you think makes a good one? Well, I mean, it sort of depends on what the concedus for what the conversation's going to be. You've done this right, because good hang lets you know exactly what it's going to be. We could be talking about the photos on my phone for the next 45 minutes. That's right. We probably will. Right. And that's like, that is dynamite, because that's, there's an ease to that. Unfortunately, for me, you've made it hard, because you love hard work. Well, I don't know about that, but I have made it, I mean, it's definitely rewarding, but it does, I'm talking to older women about the wisdom they have acquired in their life and would they share it with us. So that requires me to do a lot of research. I really need to come to the table understanding who these people are and how to have an authentic conversation that isn't just, you know, your normal fuck around. Yeah, or plug your this that and the other. And it's why I love your show, and I've told you that. Like I love the deep dive you do. I do feel like I get this very, you know, big picture perspective from the women and the lives that they've led. Oh, thanks. I'm going to glaze you for a while on this. This is what the kids call a glaze. I'm glazing you like a sugar thing. Yeah. So all about sugar. Oh, my gosh. I'm going to tell you how great you are. So buckle up. Okay. There's a word. There's another word that's out now that I can't put it is that I was going to respond with. But it went out of my head. And if we know it, it's out. There's no way. So glaze is not cool anymore. Of course it isn't. If I'm saying it. So now I have to say I'm dead. Yeah, exactly. I'm dead. Seriously. Bet, Bet, Julia, Bet. But, but you, how much research do you do for a show? Like do you a lot, baby cake? Well, why do I work so hard? I don't know. I can't. I can't. I can't. Oh, Jim, do you see how, how, why are we working so hard? I don't know. Well, you say you're not working hard. I'm giving you what you are. You have, yeah, you are. Right? Is it she? Yeah, she is everyone's shaking their head. You are. You're pretending like you're not to be cool, but you're working super hard. But I'm going to tell you your, but it is, it's an indication. I think of a bigger thing that we all are used to doing, which is being a very good student. Like just like working hard. That's true. And has that been something you found in your life? You want to do well and be a good student, basically. I want to do well. Yeah. And also, for me, with this podcast, it was really born out of my own curiosity. In fact, I came to you and talked to you about this podcast. I know. And I remember thinking this sounds hard. I know. She passed, ladies and gentlemen. She was like, what if we didn't like, that's not like a lot of things. I don't think so. You do. That's what she said. Coming up that you're ex, who of you, who of you interview that you can plug? Well, I can plug the following. I can plug Jane Curtain. Ah, please. Please. Let's talk about Jane for one second. Let's just sit here and think about Jane. Well, you know what? It was a really, first of all, obviously, an honor to talk to her. But it was a great opportunity to go back and look at her work. And particularly her work on SNL back in the day, because of course she was one of the original cast members. And to understand the effect, speak for myself, that had on my life. Yeah. Gynormous. Yes. Gynormous. Totally. And, you know, I, and I watched that first episode and Janice Ian is singing, I learned the truth at 17 and I was 14 watching the show in that premiered. And they, these were my people. Yeah. And so, same is true of Carol Burnett. Yeah. You know, you sort of don't, to a certain extent, these people that have these cultural icons who've had proper influence, they get into your bloodstream without you're knowing it. Totally. And it's, and it's, you know, that thing that you have to see it to be it. It's not conscious. It's not like you say, oh, there's a woman on there. But you just see people feeling this role and you just become the same. Sometimes part of your DNA that that could exist in your life in your world. Right. Yeah. Completely. So, yeah. Incredible. Yeah. Incredible. By the way, you may know this, but something I learned talking to Jane that was kind of extraordinary because you and I are familiar with the, the schedule of SNL, which is grueling. Yeah. Jane was not hired as a writer. And immediately she made the decision that she was not going to come to work on Monday and Tuesday. I swear to Christ. So baller. Baller. She's like, I'm not here to write. I'm here to perform. Let me know when you're paying me. You're paying me as an actor. Wow. I'll be here for the table read on Wednesday. Wow. And the great thing about that was she's a really good cold reader according to her. And so she'd nail it. And then she'd be in sketches. But she was not doing that drug-filled all-nighter life. Wow. And I just, that she had the sense to realize that she was protecting herself. Mm-hmm. FYI, she was married, too. Yeah. Yeah. Jane seemed like the reasonable cast member. Because she was. Yeah. Yeah. I told this to Martin Short, Marty Short, when he was on the show. We were talking about the SNL 50th, which stirred up so much for everybody. I mean, it was, it was. That was a lot of, there were a lot of feelings in that studio. I know. And I can speak for myself that parts of me really regressed, like back to, you know, some version of what I was like when I was there. And also the young part of me was like star struck by the people who, you know, I grew up watching. And I, one of my tenders moments was I was talking to Lorraine Newman, who I don't know that well when I worship. Yes. And her and Jane got ready together. Yeah. They're like, and they got their hair and makeup together. Yeah. Before, and it just made me feel so happy because I just wanted them to be friends forever. And they were. I know. They are. And then they held up Gildes picture at the end. It was so touching. I know. Yeah. And Julia, even though I consider you, you're, I, I consider you whether you'll accept this or not like, I don't accept it. I don't. I don't. I'm not going to accept it. I'm just not though. I'm going to say something good. Okay. Go ahead. Big sister energy for me. Oh, really? I feel like in the same way you saw Jane, I was 1112 when you were on SNL and you were a baby. You were like 21 or something. No, you were not that much older than me, but you were definitely a new woman on the show. And you know, I was always paying attention to who was new on the show and you looked really young, which I loved because I was young and wanted a young person on the show. And I have to say like when I was getting preparing for this interview, there's a million ways that we can talk about all the million things that you've done in your career and your life and who you are as a person. And I've got to lucky to get to call you a friend. But you are like the LeBron James of TV. Yeah. I mean, I think, but I'm not going to accept it. You're not accepting that. I'm not accepting that, man. Well, here's why I say that. You're not accepting. And I think that's smart to not accept it. Actually, I take it back. Yeah. Yeah. But no, but you have been. You're pretty good. You're one of your pretty good. It's fine. You're one of three. This is what I'm going to stand the metaphor. And I'm just, I'm pleased that I came up with this from a sports perspective because, because you're such a sports. I'm so much a sport. He had him. This is what this podcast is about. Yeah. Like, let's go deep into the draft. Into the draft and football. Let's get in there. Kelsey. Let's go in there. Let's get deep in. Okay. No, but because you're LeBron, because you have one championships for more than one team, you have been in huge legacy shows. More than once. Yeah. That's very unusual. Very unusual. Very unusual. That's a lot of good luck, you know, really. And so, so great, but not really LeBron. Okay, okay, okay. But what is your, we started talking about winning. We were comparing photos. What is your relationship to winning? Because I like that you like to win. Like I like, I like, like, fun competitive women. Well, first of all, fun is all caps because there's another kind of competitive woman. Totally. That we don't care for. That's right. The fun part has to be like in good fun. Well, here, I'm going to tell you a story about you that I like so much. Okay. So, you and I have down a couple of times done bits around award shows. And when we're competing against each other. That's right. Anyway, what I have found over the years is that it's very good to focus on what to do if you win or you lose. Mm-hmm. And Amy Poler is very fun to come up with bits with. I love a bit. Love a bit. I don't know, award show. That because it used to be fun. It used to be like. I know. Goofy, and now it's so serious. Yeah. And by the way, we took speeches seriously, but from a comic point of view. If you win for a comedic role, try to be funny when you give a speech. Or how about even if you win for a dramatic role? How about that great idea? Turn it on the tab. Flip it. Flip it. Anytime anybody does, they look like a genius. Genius. No, for real. You look like a genius. It's true. So, we did a couple of them where we, my, I think my favorite one with you, but you tell me, was when we pretended to switch acceptance speeches. That was my favorite. Oh, you went up there. Good. We gave each other a hug. And then we pretended to like, oopsie, switch speeches. And then you went up and you started thanking people from Parks and Rec. And then we had a moment of like, oh, fuck. Yes. And the camera cut to me. And those were the years I have to say there were so many great women always in our category that came and went. Julia was always there because she always crushed us all every year. But, and like, people were really game to have fun. Yeah, completely. And I don't remember anything other than the fun times of those bits. Yeah, me too. I really, I was always so grateful that you were, because there were certain people that weren't down to do those bits. And they won't be named. We did try. We did. We tried to finagle other people. And they didn't think they didn't want to do it. I know. I think some of them were nervous, like genuinely nervous. Okay, fine. You can say that. But, okay, I want to start though. I want to go back a little bit because I feel like we talked a little bit about this in person, but we kind of had similar sketch, Chicago beginnings. Yeah. Like, we were in a group. We were the only girl in the group. Yeah. And our group kind of moved to a new city to like make a start. And in your case, practical theater, practical theater company moved to, SNL together. Yes. You were on TV from Northwestern. Yes. So, what year was that? 1982. Yeah. And we were doing a show in Chicago that was a big hit in Chicago. And all the people in the show got hired. There were four of us. Yeah. Three of us were on SNL. And the fourth person Paul Baross was hired as a writer. Yeah. And you all moved to New York and just started together. Was it like to have four or five of your closest friends to start that show with? Well, it was tricky. Yeah. Not because we didn't get along, but because we were a group of people who were met with a lot of animosity. Yeah. And by the people whose friends had just been fired. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. And if I can imagine it because I was myself the same way, there's like a pluckiness to a sketch group. Like a sketch group is like improv and sketch is like, stand up was cool. And improv and sketch was kind of nerdy. Nerdy for sure. And you know, so it was like, hey guys, we're here. And I'm sure everyone was like, okay. But not. No, but you're going to, I don't know if you know them. Maybe you know this, but when they had us at the first table, oh, God, I can't even, oh, no, it was just so excruciating. There is this room on the 17th floor with fluorescent lighting and folding tables. And that's where they do the table read. And in that same room, they had us, these new people coming in, do part of our show that we were doing in Chicago for the writers and cast. Yeah, in fluorescent lighting. Oh, wow. And we came out to your point, did, did, did, did, did, did, did, did, did, did, did, and it didn't lay out. It did lay out. Even saying it, my art pets are going bananas right now. Oh, yeah. I've been there. So anyway, that's how it began. It was a terrible, inauspicious start. And you were there for a couple of years, three. And you were there during a period of transition. I mean, Lauren was not there. Lauren was not there. Dick Everett was there. All the way to the end. What a strange window to be there. Oh, baby, it was bad. Yeah. It was not great. It was not great. But fabulous learning experience. It was hard and it was a little crazy making. But I came away from it sort of stronger. Yeah. And Mett Larry David, who you then worked with again on Seinfeld. And Seinfeld still similar kind of thing. Like, didn't had an inauspicious start. Yeah. It was a four-episode order. It was like they were just trying to sort of burn it out. And I was doing research. Oh, look at you working hard. Very hard. You are the person I've worked the hardest for. That's total bullshit. But good. It is true. Yeah. I've worked the hardest for Shilla Bum. Yeah. Smart. Yeah. Smart. But like Parks and Ricks, Seinfeld was always close to being canceled. People weren't getting it. It was like, we don't know what we have here. No, we didn't have it. Until the third year it started to take off. Yeah. And it was Elaine Ritten as a man at first that character. No, it wasn't in four men. And then they changed it to Elaine. I didn't. You don't know? No, I don't. You're so weird with it. You know what I mean. I like to over-enact. I think I'm tired. Elaine was, you were playing Elaine as a man, yes? No. Correct. But wasn't the character they brought you in because they were like Julia and because they did a pilot. Yeah. And then apparently the network told them you have to put a girl in the show. So there is a tape out there somewhere where there is another person in. No, not in there is not a regular in the pilot. Correct. Wow. It was a different time. And so they said, you know what? You need a girl. Yeah. And so I came in and I've never watched the pilot of a time felt by the way. And so why would I? I'm not in it. Why would I bother you? And so you refused to watch anything you've seen. That's right. That's right. What was the name of the show? You were in the back of the way. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, yeah. So that's what happened. So they put me in. So I was in the episode two onward. And I feel like a success in the comedy world in the sitcom world is often like kind of measured by whether or not people will dress up as you for Halloween. Oh. Because I think Elaine is a popular Halloween costume. It is. It is. And it's an easy one to get together. Like it's just, it's a dress and a blazer and a curly hair at Wig. God, I'd love to go back and fix that look. Yeah. I feel me. I feel like I'm going to get some early, Leslie, no styles. I'm like, oh, I didn't put enough thought into that. Yeah. But we weren't really thinking about that. No, we were acting and we were in our care. No, but I actually remember, because like when friends came out at some point when we were doing Seinfeld, not in the beginning, it was sort of, I can't remember what the years were. But, and all those girls were so sexy. Yeah. I remember thinking like, I fuck, I should have been sexy. Yeah. I think that all the time. Seriously, I can't tell you how many times I'm like, oh, I forgot to be sexy. No, I'm told what you're like. I shit. Oh, my God. This was such a mistriple. And you reminded of it when you see other people, you're like, oh, that's also something I could have tried to be. I seriously. Yeah. Like a mid-drift, anything, anything. But that's why we love Elaine. We love her because of that, because she feels like us. She feels like someone we would know and love. She feels like our funniest friend. She feels like, you know, I mean, I think, and she's so funny and it's just, it wouldn't work if Elaine was paying attention to that. It never would work. It might have worked. That's true. She just went through like a really sludgy, sexy phase. Not so slutty. Just coming in like in tight jeans and like, how they all dressed. Yeah. I know. Anyway, because it's not dwellable. I'm sorry. Okay. But also you had two boys. Did you, were you pregnant? Oh, you have to have to go. Oh, right. Forgot. Forgot. Yeah. I had two babies during that time. So the sexy thing, although, you know, look, to me more, did I know? But I didn't even know about that. I didn't know about like, you know, going like that with your big tummy and looking hot. I was just, you know, I was just wearing huge like picnic tablecloths. Yeah. But that style is back now, you know. Oh, no. 90s are back. Oh, listen, if anybody in America is listening to this, please don't do the 90s again. I'm going to disagree with you. Okay. Well, you're wrong and I'm right. No. And so just leave it at that. You're being triggered. But I'm telling you 90s, like that, the floral with like a chunky shoe and a tight and a blazer, fucking jackpot. Like you, past you and Jen Aniston, when you look at pictures like Rachel and Elaine, everybody's dressing like that now. And I don't know what to say. I'm just so fucking sorry. I really, I really, really am. But I will tell you one thing and I've told this story before. But when I was pregnant with Charlie with my second son and I was really pregnant and I was about five or six months and I got pretty big. And Jerry comes up to me and he says, Hey, we got an idea on the right of course. Oh, no. And he said, um, how about this idea? How about Elaine just gets fat? Incredible. What an idea, what an idea, Jerry. So I burst into tears. Of course. And of course, I will say the following though in retrospect, it might have been great. It might have been funny. It's a funny idea. It's a funny idea. Yeah. And it's a funny idea. And hilarious. And it would have been funny. Because you know, with a big tummy and then you're like putting a belt on it and you're pretending you're not pregnant. You're just getting fat. But when you're not feeling in your own body, it's like it didn't, it didn't work. I remember on Parks and Rec, I had been pregnant on twice on that show too. And sorry, I had started when I had just given birth for my first kid and then I got pregnant on my, with Abel, my youngest a few years later. And I remember my character Leslie was going to become pregnant on the show. And I said, I did some version of like bursting in a tears where I said, I cannot be fake pregnant. I've just been really pregnant on both SNL and Parks and Rec. I've been genuinely pregnant and I can't, you can't make me now wear a fake stomach. Oh, so it was always like after you did the birth. After you did the birth, they were like, let's strap that belly right back on. And I was like, no, no, no. How about this? How about after I gave birth to Charlie and I'm picking up our, our, my other son Henry from like camp and I'm picking him up and this mom comes up to me and she goes, oh, when are you two? Yeah, no. Spring invites a reset. Windows open, shelves cleared, only what's useful and well made, kept in rotation. Closets can follow the same rule. 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And you guys are like a really beautiful example of a loving, funny, supportive marriage with two very talented people and your wife and I were separating getting divorced. And you're going to know it's in here. Yeah I just thought this is the time I made you brought it up I might as well. Well you know what? Good. Easy to come easy go. And I worked with your son Charlie on on Moxie a film that I made and he was a total doll. You know what I have to tell you something about that. That was the first professional job he ever had was you gave him that job in Moxie. And I am so grateful to you for that not because you gave him the job course. Yes. But because I'm so grateful because you're a good person and he didn't have an experience with a jerk of which there are so many. And it was very informative to him. So I just want you to know that for real and this is totally me telling you thank you and even though I'm actually I'm tearing up but it really I really mean it. I love him. I love him. He's such a nice kid and talented. Okay. So we talked about time felt. Adventures of old Christine incredible show Carrie Lizer. Love. She's your kind of person. She is an incredible show runner. You've worked with great show runners. Yes. I have worked with great show runners. Yes. And I was like, you know, I'm a huge fan of Veepe. How did did that part was that part written for you? Yes. Yes. I would say I mean initially no. I just heard about the concept that you know unhappy vice president. And then and I was like, and then I met with him and then he started to write it after that. Yeah. And I loved his work. I mean Julia. Yes. That show. That show was so much fun to do. I have to say I still miss it. Yeah. Do you miss doing parks? I miss the people. Yeah. I miss the people a lot. I mean, I have a lot of them on here because I miss them so much like I miss. I miss it. It felt like and it feels that way with Veepe too. Like the chemistry of the people. The funniness of like laughing all day. All day. I do a thing on the podcast of where we have people come on before our guest and talk well behind our guests back. Talk well. Yes. You've not listened to this podcast. Let me explain something to you. Wow. You called me to do something for Ina Garn, but you didn't say talk well. Yes, I did. No, you didn't. I did too. I saw you said come up with some questions for her. That's not talking well. I introduced you. I said that we're going to talk well behind Ina's back. Did I not? No, you didn't. I'm being gaslit by this enterprise whenever I'm never. I am never talking to you again. And by the way, Ina, who was on our podcast, you came on to do an incredible little segment in the front. And Ina and you are buddies. Yes. And when I was talking to her, she was saying you guys were ready to go on a trip together. Yeah. Please tell me about it. Tell me what you ate. Tell me just tell me what you ate. We went to, she very generously took me and Brad to a restaurant in Paris called caviar caspia. And frankly, I don't even like caviar. What? Yeah. And it was delicious. Was everything did everything have caviar in it? Kind of. It was like caviar and potato and champagne. And it was very, yeah, just exotic. And it was in Paris. So you know, what else do you need to know? She was so nice. She brought champagne and strawberry. She was the best. God, was I supposed to bring something? It's just weird that you did it. I guess like, I mean, it is weird that you did. If my assistant well is listening to this right now in the green room, could you say, how could you put some more photos on my phone? Please, I'm actually is getting in. Could you put more photos on my phone right now? And also, can you go and get some chocolates and quickly get some chips? Could you rip up the thing you know I was about to send to Jill. So could you please just bring anything? Send flowers to myself because I'm clearly not going to be getting anything. Also, Amy Paul. I distinctly said that and coconuts were only fun. The thing is, is that and could it both have been that I came out here wearing this blouse and you did not see what she had on. Okay. Anyway. So I spoke to someone who knows you really well and that is Tony. Oh, my Tony. I know. Tell me about it. Tell me how much you love Tony. I love Tony. He's the best. He is the greatest guy. What do you love about him? What's so great about Tony? He is deeply funny. Yeah. Like deeply funny. He is profoundly generous. He is incredibly neurotic. Perfect. He worries about everyone. Yeah. So if there's a group of people and somebody is off or not fitting in or having a hard time, he can only focus on that. Yeah. And which speaks to his kindness. Yeah. And I just would do anything to work with him again. I want to find a way to work with him again. You guys were so great together on that show. Everyone on Veepe was great. But Selena and Gary's relationship was very special. How would you sum it up when you explain it? Have you ever seen a like a trellis with a plant growing throughout it? That's their relationship. Co-dependency to the max. Max. In measurement times a thousand. Yeah. And the plant is not going to live without the trellis. And FYI, the trellis doesn't give a shit about the plant. Yeah. Like the trellis actually is like, could somebody cut this plant off me? Yeah. Like this plant might take me down. But all of it makes me look better. So we can stay. Yeah. I mean, the way it goes matter for. It's really good. Yeah. Because you're, I mean, Selena was like, ultimate narcissist. Yes. And which by the way, it couldn't be more fun to play. Oh, I bet. What was fun to play? Why was that fun? What did it allow you to play around with and do that you don't get to do in your real life playing her? Focus only on myself. Yeah. And, yeah. And, and a paul that if anyone is not focused on me. Yeah. And take no responsibility for anything. Yes. Never apologize. Never apologize. It's always your fault, your fault, and your fault. She just never, ever looked inward. Right. Ever. Yeah. She didn't know what that meant. Yeah. Yeah. So that was fun. Well, Tony had a great suite, of course, loving question. He loves you and adores you. And he, his question was like, very tender, just like Tony. But he was saying like, what he loved about you as a parent, he watched you be the kind of parent that you are and it really inspired him as a parent. And also he was very moved and is very moved by your relationship with your mom. And his question was, what do you think your mom did right? What did she give you? What are you like happy that you got from your mom? Hmm. It's such a sweet tender, such a tender question. I know. I mean, there are obviously many things that I got from my mother, including this wide jaw of mine. It's gorgeous. But I would say that my mother is a very, very, intellectually curious person. And I think some of that has rubbed off on me. And also my mother has a very good sense of humor. When you were growing up, was she watching stuff that influenced you? I know a lot of comedy came from my mom, like what my mom was watching. What did your mom watch? Carol Burnett, Johnny Python, SNL. My parents had that on in the house. Did your mom watch that kind of stuff growing up? Yes. And I mean, there was a show on when I was really little, maybe two. And it was a show called Super Sales. Oh yeah. And also Captain King Garou. And we used to watch that and howl. There was something, and I think it was on Super Sales, or maybe it was Captain Garou, where ping pong balls would fall down. And when you're two, that's like drop dead funny. Yeah. No, you know what I mean? It's kind of the jack in the box, kind of a joke. Yes. And we would start. My memory is that she was laughing as hard as I was. My guess is that maybe she was laughing because I was laughing. Yeah. But I remember sort of feeling like I was partnered with her in enjoying this extraordinarily funny ping pong bet. Yeah. Laughing does do that with our families. I mean, it's a binder. Yeah, it's a binder. And also you learn a lot about somebody by what they laugh at. Totally. Like, I know, I learned, you know, I got, I don't think it was the first time we met, but when you came back to host SNL, it was a big deal for all of us who were on the cast at the time that you were there. Very excited. And we got to like spend some time together. And I remember being so pleased that we would laugh at the same thing. Like it felt like, oh, I just felt excited that we were enjoying the same things in the same way. Totally. Yeah. There was a real immediate sympathy co-oper. I remember that very well because when we were, we were in the, we were, we must have been rehearsal day or something and we were in age 8 and I was at the page station thing and you came up to me and you just went like this, you went, okay, run. And so I just ran and we just went running down the hall. I was just some dumb bit, but I thought, oh, I like this girl so much. We were just, you know, yeah, talking around. Tell me if I'm wrong, but I think when you came back to host that year, you had a really good time. I had a ball. Yeah. And by the way, if you can believe this, speaking of male female things, I was the first female cast member to ever come back and host. Wow. Wow. See, Daisy. Yeah. And that was 2006 or something. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. And you were coming into a cast that was like, there was a lot of really strong talented women performing together and it was a good vibe. At least that's what I was picking up on. I was the first time I really had fun doing the show. Yeah. I mean, what was so nice about hosting back then with you guys was to feel the female power that was evident and long over too. And so that is a good feeling. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why I like talking to these older women too. Anyway, I think it's pretty critical to have these conversations and to hear from these really interesting people. Well, I mean, Julia, you do that to me. You inspire me every time I see you engaging. Like I feel very inspired by you. Wow. I feel very like you turn on a switch for me often, where I see you doing something and I'm like, right, right, that's the kind of engagement I'm supposed to be doing or like being reminded that I'm doing. Like you definitely do that for me. And you do that for me professionally too. I see the moves that you make professionally. I'm like, damn, so smart, so interesting. Like, you are, I'm always looking to you. Oh, wow. That's so nice of you to say that really makes me feel good. Yeah, I really feel that way. I really appreciate that. Thanks, Amy. You're welcome. What a good hang. This is bad. It is. Okay. And then my last question is one that's fun and one that's a little bit more serious. But like, what I take away from your show and what I take away from knowing you is like the incredible total joy and privilege it is to just get older. Like, there's so many people that aren't here that want to be here. Like, how great to be alive, basically. So great. And as we get older, it feels like adulting, this term adulting, it just gets hard because you know the hard parts of life are the juiciest parts, like the challenge parts that we have to get through are the, that's the meat on the bone. It's just getting through can be rough. I know. And you've had a tough, you've had to get through illness, loss of your house, like, yes, loss of people in your life. It's not easy. And we all go through this. Like everybody listening knows what this feels like. They have versions of it in their life. Grief. Grief. And that's the thing that on the other side of certain types of grief, you've like learned about yourself. What has it made you? Because is it just as simple as like, I'm happy I'm alive? No. Yeah, I know. Like you shared with the world when you were going, when you were treating your cancer, your breast cancer. And it was very helpful for a lot of people. It isn't something you needed to share. You did. Well, I had, you know, I was kind of backed into a corner on that one because we had to shut our show down. It's funny how that worked out because normally I would not have done that. Yeah. Very private. Yeah. But because we had to shut the show down, Veepe at the time for a year, I had to say, you know, 215 people weren't going to be working or whatever it is. So, right. So I had to make a public thing about it. But the good thing about doing that was that I did have this incredible experience. Of people reaching out to me asking me for, you know, asking me about my experience going through the breast cancer, you know, for advice. And I was able to help. And there was something unbelievably comforting about being able to do that on the other side of this trauma. Right. There is a lot to be said in self-suiting by soothing others. Yeah. You know, for real. I mean, it's a, that's a, I don't mean to sound all polyannish. I actually think it's true. Yeah, I agree. That like to be, to be of service to others is the way to get yourself up out of the basement. Yeah. It's so true. Yeah. And then we need, it's like we're in such short supply of it right now. And the other way that I think that, and I think you're the same, that takes me up from the basement. The elevator is laughing. Well, 100%. Without it, you're dead. It's so true. Like you have to laugh. You have to laugh when it's the worst you have to laugh. And those are my favorite laughs when it's very, when everyone is, you know, it's like church giggles basically. The best. Like funeral laughs where like you have up someone who loves you enough to know they're going to take a swing here to get you up out. And you have so many funny friends. Yeah. You must have had so many moments where things were dark for you and someone kind of scoops you up with a laugh. Oh, totally. Well, when I was actually, when I was going through chemo and I had a lot of girlfriends come and shove into this tiny little room, you know, I mean, like the size of this table. And everybody was there and I was high as a kite. And, and, and I was doing this thing called a cold cap. Oh, yeah. So it's a thing that they do that you can do if you're getting chemo if you choose. And it's this ice cold thing you put on your head and it's supposed to help you not lose your hair. So I did that. So I had this huge like weirdly shaped turban on my head and, you know, I'm kind of like that. And everybody's around me making fun. And it was a dream dream dream dream dream dream dream. And at one point, I remember I sent a bunch of my girlfriends out because I was I lost so much weight, none of my clothes fit. And so I was like, I need, you know, hi, I need new jeans. And so I sent everybody out. I don't know where they went. And then it's on FaceTime. And I'm telling them which ones to get. It was fun. It was hilarious. So fun. Yeah, really was. And I asked all my guests this, what are you watching, listening, reading, what are you laughing at right now? Well, there is nothing I love more than those videos of either dogs like that one dog who keeps attacking an apple slice. Don't, don't know it. Hold on. It's it is attacking an apple slice. Yeah, he's just going bananas on top of a bed. How do we find that? You know how we find it? Yeah. We type in dog attacking apple slice. I think it's his name is it starts with our phones are off. Remember, we're going to have to turn them back on. No, mine isn't off. You never turned your phone off. Puppy shares apple slice. Now if that seems too nice. Oh, here we go. Spud on Instagram. Okay. This dog is just attacking this piece of celery. This dog is a maniac. The dog is growling. It is the size of a rat. It looks and it is furious at this piece of food and is bearing its teeth. I mean, it's scary. It's scary. And it's, it's not going to hurt anybody. Oh, this is a strawberry. Oh, this is a strawberry. It's a dwarf. It's a war. Anyway, that makes me very happy. But do you do you watch a lot of videos, YouTube videos and like and I think what I I'm I love survivor. But let me just ask you something about. I also like amazing race. Okay, survivor and amazing race, those kinds of shows. Do you think you could do well on them? No, no, really? Is there a part when you watch it, is there a part of you that you think like I this is what I would do, but you don't. Yes. Okay. What I would do is pretend to break my leg and get air back out. Have you watched a loan? Yes. Incredible. Incredible. Okay, let's talk about a loan. So for people that don't know, I think it's on National Geographic channel. Maybe his street channel. Maybe his street channel. It's just on Netflix. I mean, there's a 45,000 seasons of it and the 45,000 and I think we watched every episode during COVID. Yeah. Fantastic. And for those who don't know, the premises, 10 or 11 people are dropped somewhere. It always feels like Canada, but somewhere and they have to survive the elements and survive being alone in the psychology of how people figure out how to not only find food and shelter and outlast their competitors, but the psychology of what happens when people are alone is fascinating. I'm for sure would go crazy. But don't you think you would do unalone? Are you out of your mind? I'm better than a really you don't think you would do better than some of the other yet. No, I wouldn't be able to get any food. I wouldn't be able to kill any of that. So that would be one problem. And then the other problem would be I don't think you'd be able to sleep because you know, they got bears up there, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. I mean, I don't know what had space you're in right now, but there's no way you're making it unalone. No, wait, I'm not saying I'm making it. I'm just saying I'm not saying I'm saying you're not making it one night. Not even one night. You're going to be too cold. You have to make my pride. My pride would do one night. I would. Okay, one night. Not really. But I love alone. I think I love it. I think I love it because I think it's an extraordinary challenge. Yeah, I think it's a legit, you know, and it's agree. And as a, you know, survivor, it's got all of these things and these games and so on, which is gobs of fun, but it's all fabricated. Yes. In this case, you've really got to stay alive. And you don't know when other people have peeled off. They don't die, but they tap out. Yes. How much do they win? A million dollars. A million dollars. A million dollars. And what I love about the psychology of that show is the way, because I relate, is the way people start to give up before giving up. Oh. Wait, talk about that. Because they start to, and I just, I love it because I recognize it, right? Which is when you start to talk yourself out of something, but you're not talking yourself out of it yet, but you're just playing around with the idea because it's such a mental game. You have to just take the highs and lows and like, right. But when people are like, yeah, it's just, you know, my family, I'm sure my family's missing me a lot. Yeah. Yeah. It's always men, you know, being like, my wife is probably struggling and you're like, Oh, here we go. Here we go. Just a little day or two before I just thinking about that's right. I mean, I do want the money, but will my kid ever be, ever have their third birthday again, you know, and you're like, here he goes. He's getting ready. A couple days or so now he's going to tap out like that kind of bubbly stuff I love. Yeah. Human behavior. It's so good. I want to watch alone with you. And I want to watch the new jury do do with you. And oh, wait a minute. That would be fun. That would be fun. I would like to watch TV with you. Okay. A wee. Is that weird? I want to come over and I feel like getting in some kind of comfy situation with you and Brad get under some kind of not that way. Just no, I understand. You get blankets. You get blankets. I feel like there'd be a good snack like a chip, like a delicious salty chip. Yeah, but we need some yummy, we need some desserts happening. Are you sweet over savory? I like it all. Yeah, but I love sweets. Okay, I'm more savory. So we can have sweet and some kind of chip. Okay. And we watch one of these shows and we I'm picturing it now. Have you ever had dill pickle chips? Yeah. Doesn't do it for you. Doesn't do it for me, but I love the idea of them. Oh, God. It's making my mouth water just talking about it. I'm gonna get some of those. Well, get some of this, but you don't like them. So we'll find something else. Do you like salt and vinegar? I enjoy salt and vinegar. Me too. Yeah, love that. Love it. And also, I'm a basic Doritos bitch. Really? I know. Not a sponsor. Is now. Not after what you the face you just made. That's the slogan. I'm a Doritos basic Doritos bitch. Really? That's it. That's the garage. I love you, Julia. I love you too. I love you too. Thank you for having us. I love having you. I love having you. I love having you. I love having you. I knew it would be fun. I didn't know it would be this much fun. I can't wait until I reach 70 so I can come on your show. Yeah. Thank you so much, Julia. That was so fun. It's always so fun to get to be around you and laugh with you and do bits. And for this polar plunge, I just want to mention one of the guests on Julia's podcast Wiser than me who I just love. And that is the author and Lamott. And if you're listening, I love you. And if you don't know Anne Lamott's work, she is a very prolific and successful author who has written books like Operating Instructions and Bird by Bird and Tender Mercies. Many works of fiction, her latest book, Somehow Thoughts on Love is out. And she's just a really candid, funny, deeply funny, tender, big thinker. And I don't know. I just love her. And I hope I get to have her on this pod someday. Check out her podcast with Julia. Check out Julia's podcast. Listen to podcasts. Podcasts are great. We love podcasts. Okay. You've been listening to Good Hand. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weissberman and me Amy Poler. The show is produced by The Ringer and PaperKite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spalane, Kaya McMollan, and Alayah Zaneras. For PaperKite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell and Jenna Weissberman. Original music by Amy Miles. Alayah Zaneras. The money was really good. Hey.