The Big Suey: The Backslide (feat. Nick Wright)

Welcome to the big sui! Presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Levitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not gonna apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it. And now, here's the marching band to nowhere, that face and the habitual liar. This episode of the Dan Levitard show is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. I think that we have to start rooting for O.K.C. We have to start because Wembe's about to hog all of these. It's gonna happen very quickly and he's gonna ruin the sport. Nick Wright is here. You hear him throwing things in the background. He fixed basketball on the Bill Simmons podcast. I'm hearing a great deal of applause. He fixed the entirety of the sport. He's the host of FS1's first things first and what's right with Nick Wright. Hi. The podcast. I am well. Thank you. You object to Wembe dominating the sport first and it's gonna get really. Just real quick, because you mentioned my appearance with Bill. If people don't want to listen to the whole thing, there's a lot of different things the NBA needs to fix. But the simplest fix is just make Dunk's worth three as well. Just do that. That doesn't fix tanking, doesn't fix the injuries, but it sure fixes so many of the other issues we have. And it sounds crazy until it doesn't. It makes Dunk's worth three and you have different styles of play. You are rewarding different athletes. You are getting back to the heart, the soul of the league, which is the sickest athlete to have ever lived. It's competing with each other, meet me at the rim. Dunk's worth three. And I don't know if that would be good for your future goat Wembe because that guy, you know, fancies himself just a taller Kevin Durant rather than, you know, a guy who's seven seven. We can talk Wembe or we can talk about my brilliant Dunk's worth three. Oh, yeah. I want to question about your brilliant Dunk's worth three points. Oh, yeah. Suggestion here, Nick. So number one, how do we determine like Blake Griffin used to do the deal where he would throw the ball into the hoop? So like, is that a dumb? Like what constitutes this year? Does your finger have no other rim? Zaz, I'm not trying to always be combative with you, my friend. But you know how I know that is, you know, in search of a problem where there isn't one because you're only off the top of your head a reference of that happening was in a Dunk contest 15 years ago. I don't think that's true. So the, I mean, I think, I mean, I don't know, I mean, it's just the reference you gave. I think, maybe I'm wrong. I think we pretty much know what a Dunk is, what a Dunk isn't. And when a guy had a Dunk. It's a weird follow from you. He's bringing up a point. Now it's not the first time I've heard it. Juju had it years ago and we'll probably have a complaint about Nick stealing that the way a mean has complaints about Nick stealing stuff and putting them on a larger platform. We'll find out from Juju later in the show, but it is an odd first question for you to have a nitpick on what's a Dunk and what's not a Dunk when we all know what a Dunk is. Okay, so I think, okay, so, so all right, then I'm stupid. The second part that I have is more interesting. How powerful is that to admit when you're wrong and stupid? It should be liberating stupid. Lean in. How free is this? Do you feel free or do you? Thank you. No, believe it or not, I don't feel liberated at all now. You should. You should. It's like when Dan finally admitted he has a fat face. You just disarmed so many of the attacks. My next is like, what are you going to do? Yeah, go ahead. My next and clearly less stupid question is I think that it sounds good in theory. All right, but I think I would slow the game to a crawl because players would foul the three point Dunk attempt. So you can only get two free throws then it's just a free throw contest all game. No, that is a more nuanced point that I'm interested in and then and you know what? My I hadn't thought of that, but my snap response is not stupid. Not stupid. Well done. Not stupid at all. See already once in the moment you admitted to being stupid, you got smarter. So you know, well done all around. I think you would have to adjudicate that just like you adjudicate a foul on a three. If it is very clear, the player is attempting a Dunk and he got fouled. It's three free throws. Simple. Fixed it already. It was a smart question, but I fixed it already now. I feel liberated. There you go. Nick, why not just make the three point line disappear and make every shot the same two points. So I think I don't here's the thing on that Greg. I don't hate that. No. It sounds crazy. I don't hate it because I do think basketball right now is teetering on a ledge of the smart way to play is diametrically opposed pardon me to the entertaining way to play. And therefore, how do you square that circle? And so I was and I talked about this. This is this on juju. If he came up with that idea before, I I seed the ground to him. I like juju. I respect juju and I wouldn't steal from juju. But I didn't know it. An idea that unabashedly is not mine. But I think kind of you know is don't say a thief. Um, it is the Hollinger idea of just like baseball teams get to design their own outfield walls, basketball teams draw their own three point line. And if a team says we if a team says this Hollinger's idea, if a team says we don't want a three point line, you don't have one. And that has two effects. One is you have to be able to win a bunch of different styles and a sneaky unintentional consequence of it is the regular season matters way more. Because if the 2021 Milwaukee box are you know in a nip and tuck race for the one seed and it's like shit, they don't have a three point line. If they get home court advantage, we're going to have to win a series all by two's because they have yonis like that does make the regular season more important. And so those are you know, those are just some you know back in the napkin ideas, but I would Dan love to talk about Wimby. I mean, do you do the Simmons pod but worse? Yeah, that's what I was thinking. No, that well you guys that's why I try to move on you guys I just and it's not it's not. It's not your fault. I mean, it's not his fault. Can you hear me to St. Husky? That's my inner monologue Nick. We're going to have to keep explaining this to the guests, but that's just my inner monologue. It's it's the voice that was in my head saying to me when Greg Cody with the nitpicks of Zaz and then Greg Cody comes in. Well, what about this all of a sudden we're fixing the NBA Dumber than you and Bill Simmons did it on that. So let's talk about it. Greg, you're always good with me, buddy. Thank you. The first the first or second pardon me venture into the Levitard universe after I was a one time and one time only guest on this show was when I was on Greg Cody and Chris Cody's podcast. That was my only appearance anywhere in the universe for like two years. Thank you. I assume I just you know didn't respond to invites to a means podcast, but still. All right, Wimby that what's the next type probably with him you guys want to do? It was unbelievable in the first quarter last night. Don't get me wrong. Oh, I just think that OKC's got that as a problem. That's their only problem. They they have a trouble with what is he's going to do to the sport and they went four out of five against OKC this year. So oh, I think so if the so maybe I miss it interpreted I apologize if you're saying the spurs right now this year are the biggest threat to Oklahoma City. I want 100% agree the where I have heard that conversation go is and man teams better start winning championships now because Wimby's going to own the league for a decade. Maybe maybe I think the whatever concerns there were about him coming into the league as far as literally every single player in the history of the league. Semfora taller has dealt with massive health issues still remain and the fact that is great as he is there is I am yet to see the real obvious improvement from last year to this year. And I happen to believe he does not yet play a game that takes full advantage of his size. He is still one of at worst the six best players in the sport and he absolutely already is good enough to be on a team as well build as the spurs the best player on a champion. But Nick you saw he's going to learn that stuff faster than Shaq and LeBron learned it like Shaq and LeBron also learn that they have to play better in the post Shaq developing more moves that made him an MVP and LeBron just playing in the post in general he's going to learn it he's he's 21 or whatever that we how old is he. So I mean that's a great question 22 but just turn 22 I would also said 21 that wasn't a gotcha moment I just was checking I yes I agree he is going to learn those things what I wonder is this I wonder if he will. Young Shaq and young LeBron even though they had a lot of things to learn still leaned into their physical gifts young Shaq was ripping down backboards and showing the league even if he didn't do it as consistently the fact that I am the best athlete in the league and the strongest guy in the league is going to be my strength young LeBron before he learned to shoot that was his strength. Wimby being 7-7 in my opinion is his strength and it seems to me like he goes back and forth game to game between leaning into that versus leaning into the fact that he is the most skilled 7-3 guy or taller in league history and that's where whatever and again it's not real concern I just I just pump the brakes on this one. One guy is going to have a decade long rain I don't know that I'm there yet with him next I like to take and the take that I was cooking up is right now we need O.K.C more than ever because of what Wimby is able to do and I know in the beginning of the season he was playing more inside but then he had the cast ran then he was out for a while and now he's trying to drift a little bit more outside and play outside. The take was we thought O.K.C. was going to win 80 games this year we thought they were going to be the most unstoppable team of all time they've backslided a lot they've lost 4-5 to Wimby in the spurs but we need them right now to block Wimby from whatever's happening the idea the idea neck that I live in a world where you're fixing the NBA with Bill Simmons and what I'm watching from these athletes is that Wimby has already made onto to come both the old iPhone like that that evolution is crazy I disagree and what I'm saying. I disagree with that and that's where I think we are so I think we get ahead of ourselves on a lot of this stuff first of all five of the last six NBA champions up month into the season where they were the defending champion everyone's like well they're obviously going to win it again and none of them made the finals none of them made the conference finals in the year back so as dominant as O.K.C. was a team that did need seven games to win the championship last year that the the nobody is going to stop this team I thought felt even though I was buying into it as well a bit because it felt different but it felt like the Celtics and the box and hell people forget the Lakers when they were defending champs the only the nuggets for sure the only defending champ this decade that didn't feel inevitable to return was golden state. What's up Mike it's back slid backslid I'm stupid. Oh you're fine you said backslided don't worry about it so good everybody knew what he meant what are you doing grammar checks yeah that it's good to do this to me. I you know what that feels that feels targeted and I would take it brother they do it. And the but now I have to regain my train of thought you don't have to it's okay I wanted to talk football with you anyway we've gotten sure we've backslided into way too much. I'm asking. So. Hello friends hello listeners I want to talk to you about time because time is changing the way people bank and honestly it just makes sense this is fee free smarter banking built for regular people like you and me not old school banks charging overdraft and monthly fees just for trying to get through the week. This is banking that actually feels like it's on your side which is very very important time isn't just another app they unlock smarter banking with tools like my pay giving you access to up to five hundred dollars. 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Maybe it's dominoes in those we all But we all have these things that collectively Connectively make us human and the differentiators are absolutely meaningless to the bigger like the cultural differentiators are not the important thing the important thing is we all celebrate live and die similarly and I thought It was a beautiful message and I also thought he did Uh better job than I think a lot of people would have done and some people wouldn't even call it better job But he's had more self control in making it objectively a political by leading off the end with god bless America and then rolling in all of the other nations All of the other Latin countries all of the western hemisphere countries it was a true artistic attempt at uniting a a massive group of people And the fact that the response From some people who fancy themselves not only not dumb but thoughtful or smart or taste makers or maybe even one day Want to be presidential candidates was you know, I sure wish I understood the lyrics Either shows a willful ignorance and Asification of one's heart or that you're just a dope and so again choose your own adventure on which door that applies to If you're one of those folks that was allegedly outraged by this But I don't give a damn about bad bunny's music I knew none of bad bunny's music and I thought the message in that 15 minutes was beautiful And I thought it should have been pretty obvious to everyone what the message was But what ended up happening afterward was sound like this so explain and take us through what it is your reaction Is and you've answered some of this when you hear sound like this from shittain and Sid Rosenberg It was a bad football game and when you're coupled out with bad bunny who made them the worst half-time show Not one word of English. Yeah, not one word of English one word You combine the half-time show in the football game I think Clay would agrees a great sports guy too. What a waste of three hours Clay, yeah bad bunny I took German in high school. I was really with my dad. He said he's 81 He said hey, this is the worst football game top to bottom ever so Superboy so I think he was right on that one although turning point put together a great show Sid looks great. He does The hell of a mustache um so I I I mean that I I try to catch him I was wrong You know how hard it is to throw him off there You know how good you have to be with those Sid Rosenberg heads to throw this man All right, you just hold up a side of the backslip. I mean that one that one that that's to me Not even that disappointing or surprising that's just put the coin in the machine and get what you know You're gonna get it was more other people that I have more Professional or personal regard for than some of the people on that screen you just showed me which of course You know was on you know a sister network of the one who pays all my bills um and So that that doesn't surprise me the the other folks that tried to Let me let me say what I'm actually trying to say I owe that to you guys I have more respect for that than folks who try to both sides this stuff who try to be like listen I'm a straight I'm a straight shooter. I just call it how I see it and gosh darn it That's your you know, I understand why that bothered people Even if I'm not it's just everybody knows what you're doing man, but you have conflicts I guess that everyone knows you're talking about Steven A Smith without saying it's about Steven A Smith How about the football itself? How about I didn't well for the record listen. I don't The I don't think Stephen A was the only person I was talking about there But of course and I think my conflicts are not there. I you know, I don't I don't mind saying this I he can be upset with me or not You guys know how much Professional regard and respect I have for him in the sports take field and that he is the rabbit that I am chasing professionally I've said that I've been open with that That is not contradictory to the fact that I find a lot of his political commentary to be so transparent in I am I am trying to make sure That without I don't ever have to actually give a real opinion All I'm trying to do is expand my tent as big as possible I think that is in times like we are in now and on important real-life topics I find that to be a Damaging approach now on the game itself if we if we may for a moment or two The question so this is what has gotten thrown at me I can't hold Drake May's Super Bowl performance against him because I am The captain of the team that it is logically Ridiculous to say losing around early is Is better than making the final round and losing there and It's all you know, it's all fruit of the poisonous LeBron tree and That tree has not been poisonous for you that tree has been bountiful for you the poisonous LeBron tree. Yeah I mean Tony still like the watch bro. I do I'm gonna see what we get that for the season Yeah and so And this by the way a week from today you guys can watch it on Poker goes YouTube all be playing in a game Where table stakes are about this watch and against some of the best players in the world and some Businessmen and that game will probably end with me they're getting another one or if it goes real poorly This being like hey, what's the price of gold per ounce at the moment, but either here nor there So Here is my big takeaway going into the playoff run. I thought Drake May was a lock Top five quarter back in the league moving forward. I just thought he checked so many of the boxes that I care about The athleticism the arm strength the fact that he was so young or is so young all of those things He's in a good organization good head coach. He was so Irredeemably bad in Every single first half and and at least two if not three of the games overall That I have downgraded what like where he is now to me Alongside Caleb Williams on the probably will be awesome, but I'm not a hundred percent certain yet Oh, wow And that has your holding you know You're just holding against him the fact that I think he faced in the playoffs and you expect this to be great and grow But the three worst defenses that will expose anyone who has skill position problems and offensive line problems like There there couldn't have been a fourth defense that's even close to the three that made him look like that and I'm with you He looked progressively worse in each of the games So here's so here's why I Because I keep hearing that because obviously close to the TV show Kevin Wilde's diehard Pat's fan. I don't You you only you get credit if you played one of if not the toughest run of Defenses in a playoff run ever and you played mediocre I then give you a curve of man you played unreal defenses and you were able to be mediocre If you played if you played these Incredibly tough defenses and played off of every spot That to me you don't you don't get a boost from that like you don't get you get a boost if you're in an AP class And get a 70 on a test and it's like okay in a regular class that's probably a 90 But if you get a 15 Nobody's like well, it was a hard test. It's like no you fail bro and and I thought I thought the fumbles were highly problematic I thought some of those sacks were on him. I understand you know taking a decent guard at 4 overall to play left tackle hurt him I get that but I also I I couldn't in the Super Bowl Clearly, Vrable thought and he was almost right Darnell just gonna give it to us and what was and so what was so disturbing to me about that Super Bowl from Drake Maze perspective is first nine drives of the game no turnovers just punts and The moment it was like man now we've got to make plays final five drives of the game all turnovers are touchdowns And it felt like ooh that's kind of the Texans game too, right? You were hunting big plays hit three of them and fumbled four times and threw a pick the Broncos game You were so conservative on I am not going to make the mistake You made no big plays it felt like what it was exposed a bit this postseason was against legitimate defenses The cost of doing business for Drake may at this point in trying to make big plays is Some catastrophic mistakes and that is concerning and and then one other point on this I am here by demanding That the NFL Take it can be a sixth-round pick. I don't care a Draft pick from the New England Patriots for the Super Bowl injury report because I am not going to have a Six-month-off season of Patriot fans saying well he was hurt his shoulder was shot up It was an injury and the Patriots the day before the most gambled on football game of the year Removing him from the injury report saying he's fine Those two things can't both happen He's the host of FS1's first things first What's right with Nick Wright as the podcast he does with his son? I urge you to check that out It is personal it is intimate and it shows you more of him than the TV show does because there's just more room Thank you Nick good talking to you Appreciate it. Thank you Greg. Thank you Zaz Tony. I got your back bro. 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This is the Don't let but our show with this to gots I wanted to talk to you guys about a couple of the things that he said but before I do that Can you guys get me the audio of the last interception that Drake may through because Julian love who intercepted it called it called it on the Side line we have the audio here. This is pretty cool audio if you want to like be inside of the game and just Here what it sounds like when somebody is predicting that they're about to do something then they do it Then they're running to the sideline scare because people are chasing them with the football Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's our dumbest they patient I'm gonna give me one Classic young quarterback he's now he's As soon as that back for the hits As soon as the back for hits he's going to where he wants but he's pausing for a second to confirm that he's open He's not a blindly doing like staffer He's There's like a little hits there. We can show you jump the May from the shotgun second down in three Steps up in the pocket gonna let one fly down the semen. It's intercepted Julian love Julian love is right where he's supposed to be at free safety You knew your skundan. I'm telling you in the race by the hotel I've got a little pin the soupie come on. They love you. Well the most damage picking the soupie Unnecessary to say it that way they just want to championship. What's up with you? I dig it a Sam Darnell to him after the game He's like how about a pick in the soupie. Yeah, how much did you love the staffer thing too? Oh, that was cool Dan like Dan's ears per class of young quarterback He's taking that little half beat to make sure the guys open he doesn't throw it blindly like staffer that right there That that should have just been the deciding vote not not the dude that voted for Justin Herbert They should have just played that at the NFL honors. That's why the Rams are better than the Seahawks I would have given as soon as Matthew Stafford Through a no-look pass in a game-winning drive against the bangles in the Super Bowl I would have given him all future MVPs until he decided to stop playing the wimpy conversation I mean just no-look passes in the Super Bowl on the last drive like what do you I'll never forget that like that And Cooper Cups the only receiver he has like everyone knows the ball's going to him and there's no way to stop it But as it relates to losing confidence in Drake May as Nick Wright said Mike Ryan was telling me I agree with Nick and he's been a big uh Drake May buyer I just thought that we were all in agreement That the Patriots wildly overachieved that their skill guys were weak and will Campbell still apologizing for I allowed so many pressures So I thought we were all of the understanding that the first two games were weather and bad matchups defensively if you've got offensive line problems Houston Denver pass rush and apocalypse for any quarterback Stafford included like I don't think Stafford would have looked like that if he had to go against Against Denver and uh and Houston even though he did look like that against the re against the Seahawks because I believe the Seahawks and them have played enough that Stafford's learned enough that nothing is going to surprise Stafford when he's playing the Seahawks Whereas I thought before that before that game was played I thought that Houston's defense and Denver's defense were a unique set of problems for Drake May If we're in agreement that his team overachieved went from 4 and 13 to 14 and 3 the biggest turnaround in history Does it not stand a reason they didn't have enough players? It does it does I'm not it's not a total capitulation I just crowned his ass too soon I he was bad and that's super bowl and I know you outlined all the great defenses that he played I just he was he was bad Mike he was bad he went up against a good defense and on top of that was was pretty bad He was unrecognizable in those last three games that he played but I gave you the stat the only teams that played more got more plays from their rookies this year Were the browns the Titans and the Jets all incompetent Like that clearly that's a skill problem around him But there's enough context too with it like he got that off of some really bad teams I don't think any any quarterbacks ever played so many teams that ended up firing their head coach like There is some context that allows you to scrutinize their run they were look They made it they were the last team from the aFC but the aFC was a bit bonkers this year But to Nick's point like were Was he hurt the whole postseason? I mean right like are we are we are we giving any level of credence to that's why he performed so far If he's getting a shot I don't think it's an excuse like it can be both it can be I guess an excuse and an explanation like he he was unrecognizable It's even the simple throws like even if I say to you all of what I just said limited offensively in a million different ways great defense as well and and furthermore He was scared Obviously scared and should have been because I imagine there's some post-traumatic stress disorder in the last three games You've played unique set of matchups that overwhelm your offensive line past rush galore and also I can't do anything And now I'm sinking. I'm sinking because we can't do anything at all If I tell you on top of that he was bad easy throws bad Beyond all the other stuff it was confusing to me to see him be unrecognizable right that Julian love clip makes Julian love seem like a cyborg but It was a bad throw. Oh, like it was an awful throw like if he throws him to where he anticipates around He didn't jump any router that's a huge chunk play And in that game situation there opens it it changes the game like yeah, they were on his ass But he threw a really bad ball. I think the story of the postseason is that defense still wins super balls But Drake may if you're gonna say the Patriots over achieved all season That's because Drake may had such a great season You know, he wasn't second in the MVP road voting as a fluke and and I think he just turned 23 I don't think he's fully developed yet I wouldn't give up on him as as a as a top five quarterback Okay, but but to the to the point that Mike is making all right that They played seven playoff teams this year and in those games his TD to turnover ratio was 11 to 11 like he had as many turnovers as touchdowns when he played the 14 non playoff teams It was 31 to eight like he did feed off of bad teams and then when he ran into the good one He got handcuffed but those are the three best defenses in the league that he played back to back two of them in bad weather Two of them in bad weather and also on top of that because I don't think this part is irrelevant Like this part I saw Zaz perk up when he's like yeah, why wasn't he on the injury report That sport Hide so many injuries that I never know if Stafford's throw in the interceptions because his fingers hurt and they've been hiding that he's got like some dislocated index finger Like I yeah, sometimes it's awfully convenient too like that I think Tom Brady for like seven straight years showed up on the Patriots injury report when he wasn't actually Actually haven't they been gonged for A manipulating it like haven't they been really is from that culture they put everybody questionable They're all day to day they have 15 guys question. Yeah, look I'm still a believer in Drake May I'm rattled because that was a really bad game. He's off to a better start to his career than most quarterbacks And the one that I like to compare him to Josh Allen He's off to a much better start than Josh Allen was and he's already gotten further than Josh Allen ever has I think they'll be back but they very clearly need to build around him. He's not this demigod and as far as is Seeming overwhelmed in the Super Bowl on that stage He should be at that age. He was the youngest starter in the Super Bowl since Dan Marino in 84 I mean give him a little bit of slack This year they were aided by what they did last year which was obviously be a four win team This year they were ease that they had all the easy games on their schedule now being 14 and three now They're gonna get all the tough games next year and now we're gonna see. Okay. Do they get AJ Brown in the offseason? Are they trying to to short the offensive line like what do they do there? Because next year we're gonna see the rubber meet the road in a big way. All right, so but giving me some help here Historically between all of you love it whenever it meets a road talking sports in a big Talking pony in a big way. It's not just it's not just rubber hitting the road but it's happening in a big way Do you disagree? The part that I disagree with and I want to bring it up with all of you because I don't think it's fair In my lifetime I have seen precious precious few quarterbacks that I believe can be the dimming God that you guys are talking about when these are the particular problems I feel like your skill guys aren't that good And your offensive line is getting caved in because it's not that good and then it gets injured at the end of the season John L. Way is one But there are very few quarterbacks that I have seen on what I think is a bad team and they were a bad team last year And they added a bunch of new guys who are learning how to play football because it's not like a bunch of free agents They turned over the entirety of the roster and they got more plays from their rookies than any team in the league Those guys don't know how to play football yet Dan I agree with you, but we don't have to look that far look at Chicago. They were a terrible offensive line They had terrible weapons on the outside and Caleb Boone's looked like a total shell, right? They bring him Ben Johnson. They short guys in the offensive line They get weapons on the outside and now he looks like the iceman Yeah, but he scored 17 points in a gaming as the Rams and one of them was a fourth down throw that he's running back to his 50 yard line and thrown it to cold They were the best team in football Okay, but I'm saying at the end they got eliminated because they scored all of 17 points and one of them was at and seven of them were Ascenine like in whatever the last game was no matter how much I believe in Caleb Williams You're giving Caleb Williams more credit for losing around earlier than you are drink made for losing around later We always do that. We all we the guy who loses in the Super Bowl If he plays poorly gets so much more criticism than the cubie who lost the wild card rally always I hate I hate to the narrative is what's wrong with Drake May when it should be Seattle's defense. Oh my god Pablo's got another one. 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