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Based on Euclis B test intelligence data, 2H 2025, Ulrites Reserved, subject to critic checks and turns. Today's story is one most of us are probably familiar with because it's been immortalized in a Bob Dylan song and a 90s biopic starring my mom's hall pass, Denzel Washington. Oh, Janet! Janet is. Janet's right about that. Yeah, but the whole story actually has several more twists and turns. This is the story of a promising boxer who was wrongfully convicted twice or more depending on who you ask. He went on to become one of the world's most prominent advocates for the wrongfully convicted. As the Bob Dylan song goes, here comes the story of the hurricane. Such a good movie. Such a good movie, such a good song. I played it for Vince. Who of course knows the song, but didn't realize what it was about. So we'd like to listen to it together. It's a great fucking song. The main sources I used for the story are Rubin Hurricane Carter's own autobiography, the 16th round, which he published from prison. And Rubin's New York Times obituary and the rest of the sources are found in the show notes. In regard to Rubin, I'm going to call him Rubin for now, his childhood. In his own words, he says, quote, the kindest thing I can say about my childhood is that I survived it. End quote. He's born in 1937 to Lloyd and Bertha Carter and grows up in Paseyek in Patterson, New Jersey. Do you know them? I've heard of Paseyek. Yeah, I have to. Is there a sort of Paseyek? A Paseyek? Paseyek or something? Is there a life of Paseyek? If there is, I mean, Molly, do we know if the Bravo team has gotten on to Paseyek in the way that we think they should? Isn't it near the Falls Niagara Falls? I think it is. I thought it was near an airport. The Paseyek Airport, I'm sure. Hold on. Not on Bravo. Great. Confirm. Potomac, I'm thinking of Potomac. Yes. Got it. Okay, he's one of seven kids and the family is more comfortable than a lot of their neighbors. But Rubin has a very difficult relationship with his dad who is physically abusive. It's all the stories we've heard so many, so many times. And also Rubin's stutters, which is hard for him. But by the time he's eight, he does gain a reputation in the neighborhood for being a talented fighter. And that outweighs the fact that he has a stutter. And so he falls in with sort of a kid's streaking that fights other kids and commits minor crimes. It's just, you know, juvenile delinquency pretty early on. Also, I would imagine that his fighting and his stutter are interconnected. Because he's just like, you're going to let people bully you or say shit to you about something. Go fight them. Right. It's like he kind of had to do that. It's like do or die sort of. Yeah. When Rubin's dad finds out about a petty theft that he and his friends committed in town, he beats Rubin and then turns him into the police leaving Rubin alone with them for questioning and the officer also beats Rubin. Again, he's not much older than eight at this time. Oh my God. Yeah. When Rubin is 11 years old, so we're talking like the late 40s, he and some other boys are at Paseyak Waterfalls, which you've seen. Ali says you've seen them in the sopranos. Okay. Oh, yeah, I remember them. Okay. Right. When a man attempts to sexually abuse several of them, the boys fight back and Rubin, who has a knife in his pocket, stabs the man, the man's injured, but he survives. But consequently, Rubin is sent to a state run juvenile facility called Jamesburg Home for the Boys. And just we can think about old-timey, you know, institutions for children who are not behaving is like nightmare. Right. And it is a nightmare. There's no rehabilitation and no education actually going on. The boys are assigned to work details and Rubin works in the industrial laundry room. Rubin writes in his book that kids from eight years old ended up there for varying infractions and that the setting was a, quote, atmosphere more vicious than the slums they left could ever be. Wow. And quote, Rubin is supposed to be purled in 2017, but when that's taken away by an abusive corrections officer and made up disciplinary infraction, and now he has to stay longer, Rubin and another inmate escape. He makes it home to Patterson, and miraculously the police aren't waiting for him at his parents house. So his mother, Bertha, Paximusuke and sends him off to a relative in Philadelphia. It seems like the dad was the one who was like vying for him to be incarcerated and locked up. And yeah, and the mom just sent him to a family member. I mean, it's one thing to punish a child, but especially like we've all seen those and that those kinds of like reformatory. Exactly. Where it's just the adults aren't trained, you know, it's for profit and child prison. There's not enough of those employee, or yeah, yeah, there's just not enough of anything. No, and if your children of color, it's worse case scenario. Rubin spends just two weeks in Philadelphia, and then he joins the army. They don't know that he had been locked up and he's basically got a warrant out for his arrest. He goes through basic training in South Carolina, and while the other recruits struggle to get used to the discipline, the physical conditioning and the terrible food, it's actually a significant step up from Jamesburg. So he actually doesn't mind it that much. But then when a white superior, his berating him calls him a racial slur, Rubin punches him in the face, and he gets some other disciplinary infractions along those lines. So the movie with Denzel Washington kind of glosses over a lot of the rough and tumble of his life, but you know, he can understand why. So Rubin's unit goes to a base in Germany when he's around 18, and on the base, there's a lieutenant who coaches the boxing team. The lieutenant has Rubin try out boxing with no prior training by entering the ring with the two-year all-army heavyweight champion. Just get on in there and let's see what you can do, thinking this will show him. And Rubin is actually only five eight, and like 150 pounds to begin with, but he knocks the guy out, hold after three punches. Oh my God. Yeah. And after that, I think the lieutenant's like, oh shit, you got to be like, you need to do this, and he's assigned to a special unit so that he can become the new star of the army's boxing team. I mean, he's been training since he was eight years old. Right. That's incredible. Yeah. After he starts boxing, other things start to fall into place. Rubin gets beach therapy and overcomes his stutter. And that opens a new passion for expressing himself, for reading and writing and education, and he writes, quote, silence was no longer a defense mechanism for me. It became instead a luxury. If I kept quiet now, it was only because I wanted to, and not because I felt I had to, end quote, to hide his stutter. At this point in time, Rubin also starts exploring Islam under the tutelage of a fellow soldier. He finds its messaging and powering, especially having been oppressed by multiple systems of white supremacy over the course of his life, though he doesn't ever formally convert. Now, even though Rubin is flourishing in a lot of ways during this time in his life, he's not exactly becoming a model soldier, and he gets in trouble repeatedly in the army, and he's eventually discharged. He intends to become a professional boxer, but he first gets in trouble with the law. He sent to prison for 10 months, because there's still that warrant out for his, from something he did when he was a child. I mean, also it makes sense that he has problems with authority. You know what I mean? Just like the army would be perfect for him in some ways, but then it's not like he's getting therapy. It's not like he's, right, you know, he fits in, and there's a bunch of stuff he's natural at, but then he's also like the shadow of his past abusers are right there as, but now they're his sergeants or his leaders. And they're not racist there. Exactly. I mean, it's kind of the same thing. It's the what, 40s, 50s. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's the 2026, and it's still fucking pretty bad, you know, racist. So he's sent to prison for 10 months, and then he serves about three more years, because he snatched a woman's purse and assaulted a man, both of which he did well. He was drunk. So he's released from prison in 1961 when he's about 24 years old, and this is when he actually starts to get his boxing career off the ground. He's quickly named the hurricane because of his aggressive fighting style, and around this time Rubin Mizo woman named, this is the best name, may Thelma Baskett, and they get married and have a daughter. Is a photo of him in the military? Wow. And then this is him in the boxing stance. Oh, yeah. I know. Right? He's serious. Yeah. I'd be scared if I worked at the opponent. Can I just be being a boxer? It'd go real fast. Could I be like the hummingbird? Maybe a gun. Right? Yeah. Over the next three years, he climbs from the bottom of the top 10 middleweight fighters toward the top, and he becomes a well-known fighter. It's got a lot of similarities to Muhammad Ali's story, which I've covered in the past. And Mike Tyson. Yeah. Yeah. So in this background, Rubin gets a reputation for being very charming and charismatic, but also for being unabashedly critical of law enforcement. And the buildup of several of his fights, he doesn't hide his contempt for the police, or his belief that black people should stand up for themselves when confronted with racist violence. He says, quote, if you act like you're afraid of me, you better be afraid of me because I would do to you exactly what you would do to me. Mm-hmm. And then he says, I'd just do it quicker. And quote, as a result of this, he has frequently stopped and harassed by police officers. At this point, when Rubin's 29, everything in his life comes to a screeching halt. So in the wee hours of June 17th, 1966, in the Lafayette Bar and Grill in Patterson, New Jersey, which is a dive bar in a bad part of town that's also notorious for not serving black people, four people are shot. Their names are Jim Oliver, who's the bartender, and three customers, Hazel Tannis, Fred Naliex, and Willie Marens. Willie and Hazel initially survive, though Hazel will succumb to her injuries a month later. Willie is blinded in one eye, and he and another witness, say that the shooters are two black men, one who held a pistol, and one who held a shotgun. One witness named Alfred Bello is standing outside the bar when the police get there. But he had actually gone into the bar after the shooting to try to take the cash from the register. Oh, so this is gonna become their main witness. Against Rubin. Yeah, so this is who we're talking about. He says he saw two black men, both of whom were around 5'11, and let's remember, Rubin is famously on the short side for a middleweight boxer at 5'8. Like those are not tights that you get mixed up. Right, so Rubin's car actually matches the description of the Getaway car, and so he had been out driving around that night, and he is in the car with a 19 year old man. He knows named John Ardus, as well as another man. They're stopped by the police who say they're looking for two black men, Rubin then quips. Any two will do. But the police actually let them go, and the third man gets out of the car and goes home. But later that night, they were looking for two black men. The police circle back to Rubin and John, and they are brought to the hospital where Willie Marin's the guy with the, who I got shot out, he's conscious, and police ask him if Rubin and John are the ones who shot him. Willie and another witness who knows what Rubin looks like because he's famous in the areas being the surprise fighter. They both say it's not him. Oh wow. Despite this, Rubin and John are brought to the station where they're interrogated for hours, insisting that they were not at the Lafayette, and they're actually let go at this point, and four months pass. And then in October of 1966, Rubin and John are arrested and charged with the three murders. What happened over the course of those four months? Well, a $10,000 reward was offered for information leading to and arrest. How much is $10,000 in 1966? I almost... 70,000? 100. I almost accidentally said it. So this caused Alfred Bello, the man who police had already spoken to outside the bar, and another man, Arthur Dexter Bradley, to come forward. So Bello was the guy who stole the cash from the register after there was a shooting, and people were fucking dead in a bar. He actually got in there and got it? Yeah, I think before the police got there, which is just jarring. How... Well, we had points to the desperation of everybody that it sounds like in a dive bar and a bad part of town, that's what happened. And actually, it turned out that he had been a look out that night while his accomplice Bradley was burglarizing and neighboring factory. So they're there to burglarize. He goes in and steals money from a crime scene, but he's their main witness. And despite the fact that Bello's original statement to the police had described men not matching Rubin and John's descriptions, and despite the fact that he had previously agreed that Rubin was not one of the shooters, he now changes the story and says that Rubin and John were the men that he saw that night. And Bradley, the other guy who previously didn't admit to seeing anything, says the same thing. So Rubin and John's case goes to trial in 1967. Bello testifies that he saw both men at the scene that night, and Bradley testifies that he only saw Rubin. The prosecution doesn't offer any kind of motive for the killings, and three other witnesses provide alibis for both men for the time of the murder. Despite this, Rubin and John are both found guilty, and Rubin has sentenced just 30 years to life and John 15 years to life. So does it feel like a setup? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I feel like these guys want to get the money, and the cops want to nab somebody for it, and it's convenient that it all works out for all the white people. Yeah, well, but I was going to say that seems like the cops, like if Rubin was the kind of person that's like any two will do, which it must have felt amazing just to be able to say that, because it's absolutely the truth that they had to live under. But then it's like, you can, I'm sure that there was some white sergeant somewhere that's like, that guy needs to be taught a lesson. Absolutely. And sergeant isn't the rank I got. I don't really know. Well, in prison, Rubin refuses to wear his uniform most of the time, which means he can't leave his cell, and he foregoes most prison meals, heating up his own cans of soup on an electric coil. Basically, it's his own way of fighting the system, however he can. And avoiding that food that you know is disgusting. Oh my god. Oh my god. He reads voraciously, especially books from the law library, and while Rubin refuses to acknowledge money of the realities of prison life, like that uniform, he's also so respected by his fellow inmates that he is able to keep peace in the prison on multiple occasions when things could have turned violent. And in fact, when prison guard credits Rubin with saving his life during a riot. In November of 1974, from prison, Rubin, now 37 years old, publishes his autobiography the 16th round. The book gets a lot of attention, and Bob Dylan reads it and visits Rubin in prison. Like, you should have heard me turn to sing that to Vince while I was like trying to remember. Do you know that song? And I just kept singing, if I can terrible, terrible, stupid fucking, yeah. It is a really good song now. Also, it just makes me want to stop everything, but it's going to take too long to tell the story. But I told you the story of when I walked into the wall in the movie theater, right? Because we came in late. And it was the Bob Dylan movie. Oh. So it's very dark, and it was like the beginning where you see that. Visiting someone in the hospital. And you thought you were turning into the theater, and you just walked into a fucking wall? I thought that I was going to get to the stairs on the other side and go down, because I couldn't find my cousins. Yeah. And there were no stairs on the other side, so I just very slowly walked into a wall, a carpeted wall. But luckily, Sophie was sitting in the last seat, so she's like, what are you doing? And I'm like, God damn it. I would have left. I would have fucking left. We left for the rest of the movie. And there was all these, like, of course, heavy things in it. And we could not stop laughing. It was the dumbest. OK, sorry. No, it's good. And we needed a little stopover. Yeah. OK, so Bob Dylan visits Rubin in prison, and then he releases the song Hurricane, which tells the story of what happened that night, which charts in the top 40 in 1975. Rubin and John's case gains widespread attention at this point. And at that time, they're finally awarded a new trial. So this is chiefly because Bellow and Bradley, the two witnesses, quote, had recanted their statements. It had also been revealed that the prosecution had promised to be lenient to each of them. And their own crimes, they were committing in that moment that night. Yeah. They get the reward money, and they get leniency, you know? To raise money for their defense, Bob Dylan, headlines a concert at Madison Square Garden. And then one at the Houston Astro Dome. Jesus. I know. That's amazing. Yeah. We don't do that anymore. Remember all the fucking tribute concerts people would do? And the like, far made and my faith in USA for Africa. Yeah, those. We need that. I think it's because our center has completely exploded. So there's nobody outside of the bad stuff to be like, here's how we're going to help. Everyone's inside of it going like we don't know what to do. Also, our media is completely state run at this point. We don't know what's going on. Wow. You just basically said it all. I know it's going on. I don't know what to do. I've got it. Right. We could play the Astro Dome. That's not there anymore. So the New Jersey Supreme Court overturns Rubin and John sentences based on the recantations. But the Pasey County prosecutor decides they want to try the case again and goes back to trial in 1976. Rubin and John are out on bail for nine months in between that. And at the New trial, Below recants his recantation. But Bradley doesn't. He's like, I swear, I was a lie. And so that means he's the prosecution's only witness placed in Rubin at the scene. And for other people saying he wasn't, you know? Yeah. So the liar and the stealer, the one holding out, exactly the one who can actually gain from this whole situation is your only witness. Yeah. This time the prosecution does offer a motive saying the killing was revenge for the prior shooting of a black bartender in town. But there's no evidence to back this up. However, Rubin and John are found guilty again. No. I mean, you're surprised. I guess I did see the movie. But I didn't. It's just when you hear about the details of these things. Yeah. They're so thin and it's so overt. And it's such a scam. Yeah. It's just heartbreaking. It is a scam. Fuck, man. What do we do? We'll work on it later. We have to do this hard cost. I know. Got a burn. It's coming down anyway. I know. They're found guilty again. Rubin's second child, his son is born two days after he's found guilty again. See, this is that heartbreak of like, you're telling me this man has spent so much time in jail in his life. And then he gets out for nine months for the retrial. Yeah. And he gets that taste of real life again. Yeah. Like, maybe this will work out. Maybe like, I'm actually free. They saw their error of their ways. There's tons of people behind me now. Totally. And the story's being told. Right. No. No, it doesn't matter who's on your fucking side. Not if the system's corrupt. Yeah. Right. After his second conviction, Rubin tells the New York Times quote, they can incarcerate my body, but they can never incarcerate my mind. End quote. And that holds true as Rubin spends five more years in prison. It's a dark time. Obviously, he and his wife get divorced. And Rubin is so hopeless that he doesn't read any of the letters that pile up in his self from supporters of his case. Because now it's like a known story. And there's so many people writing in. And reading those letters would just be so bittersweet, if not just so depressing. Right. Right. But for some reason, in September of 1980, he opens a letter, a random letter. And he'll later say it's because the letter had vibrations. And the letters from a 17 year old kid, this is a fucking long story that I'm going to just truncate. But it's a 17 year old kid in Toronto named Lesra Martin. And Lesra had read Rubin's book and was so moved by it that he wanted to get in touch and thank him. And so Lesra's letter to Rubin leaves him so touched that he begins corresponding with the teenager. So Lesra had actually been adopted from a tough neighborhood in Brooklyn by a commune of artists and academics living in a mansion in Toronto. I mean, seriously. That's key. Seriously. A.K.A. Heaven. It wasn't a great, it ended up not being a totally great place. Oh, shit. Right. But it's, when there's a bunch of people together, it's always going to go to shit. Yeah, that's true. After hearing about Rubin through Lesra, three of the members of the commune wind up moving down to New Jersey to work full time on Rubin's wrongful conviction case. Wow. And after numerous appeals, the cases heard in the US district court in Newark and the judge overturns the conviction on constitutional grounds, ruling that the prosecutors had quote, fatally infected the trial, end quote, with an unfound theory of racial revenge. Rubin is free for good in 1985 at the age of 49. Having spent just about 20 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit. And James had been paroled in 1981. So he leaves prison. And for his first six years after leaving, Rubin lives at the commune in Toronto. Oh, wow. He goes back eventually the commune proves to also be too oppressive for him. And he leaves it. It's a very long story that I'm making very small that you can look it up. When's independent in Toronto, Rubin found a group called Association in Defense of the Runkfully Convicted, which is now called Innocence Canada. They actually work on the cases of people who they believe are wrongfully convicted. The group has helped to exonerate 36 wrongfully convicted Canadians. In addition, Rubin works as a motivational speaker and advocates for the wrongfully convicted all over the world, contributing to many, many more exoneration. Then a 1999 director Norman Juison makes a movie about his life called The Hurricane, Denzel. The movie glosses over his military discharge and his prior convictions to make it look like he's a purely sympathetic figure. Like when you know the truth of his actual life and the violence and unfairness that he overcame, the fact that he spent his formative years in highly abusive and highly racist institutions, it makes his layer contributions to society that much more impressive. I mean, like we don't have the gloss over them. You don't have to be a perfect person to deserve a perfect life. And to not deserve being wrongfully convicted for a crime, he did not commit to just then be another body that's being warehouseed in this prison system. Right. It's almost more impressive that he ended up being this incredible motivational person. Oh my God. The idea that he left prison to then turn around and help other wrongfully convicted people says it all to me. Exactly. He could have walked away and just lived his life. And he didn't. Which is okay too. Go live your fucking life. When asked about being played by Denzel Washington, Rubin says quote, I didn't know I was that good looking. Well, here's a photo of Rubin and Denzel Washington. Let's show that one. Oh, I know. Oh, look at that. Such a cute pic. Rubin dies at 76 years old in April of 2014 of prostate cancer and he spends his last weeks campaigning for the release of a black man named David McCallum who had been wrongfully in prison for 29 years. He writes an op-ed for the New York Daily News called Hurricane Carter's dying wish saying, quote, if I find a heaven after this life, I'll be quite surprised. In my own years on this planet, though, I lived in hell for the first 49 years and have been in heaven for the past 28 years. To live in a world where truth matters and justice, however late really happens, that world would be heaven enough for us all. End quote. David McCallum is freed four months after Rubin's death. And that is the story of Rubin Hurricane Carter. Amazing. What a quote. I know. That's a great quote. I know. It's really true. Wow. Yeah. Very inspiring. So, read his book. It's called the 16th round. Tune in to conspiracy theories, cults, and crimes, a crime house original podcast to hear about the world's most shocking secrets and nefarious organizations. Follow conspiracy theories, cults, and crimes now, wherever you get your podcasts. And for ad-free listening and early access to episodes, subscribe to Crime House Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm going to take a left turn as we like to do. We play levels. We do different tones and tastes. Right. We contain multitudes. We always have. And I'm going to tell you a survival story, which is one of my favorite things to do. Classic, Karen. Our story begins in Alaska on December 21, 1943. Okay. We're in the thick of World War II. It's around 9.45 in the morning and a crew of five Americans in a B-24 liberator bomber plane has just taken off for a test flight from what used to be called LAD field, but is now called Fort Wayne Wright in Fairbanks, Alaska. Okay. Here's the plane. Oh, right away. Oh, yeah. So, old school. So old school. The co-pilots of this plane are Lieutenant Leon Crane and second Lieutenant Harold Hoskin. The flight crew is Sergeant Ralph Wenz, Master Sergeant Richard Pompeo, and Lieutenant James Cybert. So, in the middle of this day, there's no active threat, but the allies are afraid that there could be an enemy invasion of America by way of Alaska. So the troops are taking these routine flights and patrolling the area. So here is a picture of Lieutenant Leon Crane. Hi. He's one of the pilots. So, sorry, the other day I was in Jess's office. I don't know. I remember chatting about, but why don't her Christina said, do you know if you asked any man if he thinks you could land a plane, they all say they can. They think they can. Really? Yes. That's like when men were saying they thought they could fight off a bear. Exactly. I asked Vince and he laughed and said, hell no. So, like, I'm really happy for that. That's actually pretty wild. I also recently just saw what was a viral video. Did you ever see that one of the girl who had just gotten her pilot's license? She'd flown three times. And her... She was with her dad? No, she's by herself. And the landing gear locked up and she just didn't have any landing gear in the back, I think. So a commercial pilot jumps on and talks her through the landing. Yeah. And she does it. And it's fine. It's one of the scariest, craziest things that I was like, I don't want to watch this, but I have to see what happens to the end. Oh, it's scary. It's amazing. Okay. So, it's all business for this flight crew until just afternoon when the bomber is about 130 miles out from Lodfield flying over the Alaskan interior when one of the engines fails. So the bomber begins to spin. The pilot's fight to regain control, but the plane goes into a nose dive at 300 miles an hour and smashes into the snowy earth. Oh, shit. It's silent until one man's voice can be heard calling out for the others. And what begins as a tragedy now restarts as an incredible story of survival that will play out for the next 81 days across the Alaskan interior. This is the story of 24 year old Lieutenant Leon Crane's long journey back to civilization. Oh, I forgot it was a survivor story. That's that quickly. It's that easy. Show you a couple of pictures. Done. Right. Oh, my God. So the main sources used today are the book 81 days below zero by Brian Murphy and two Lava who also at 2023 Anchorage Daily News article by journalist David Riemer entitled lost in the wilderness for 81 days. A write up on the National Park Services website entitled W W2 Survival Story from the Charlie River and the rest of the sources are in our show notes. So when the plane was crashing amid all the chaos, Lieutenant Crane somehow gets his parachute on and is able to eject himself from the bomber or bail out. So as he's floating down to the earth, he watches the bomber in the distance as it smashes into a mountainside and erupts into what he later described as, quote, a huge blob of red flame. Yikes. Miraculously, he was like out before any of that ever happened. When I first was reading it, I was like, this man survived and nose died into the earth. I was totally picturing that. It's like climbing out of the wreckage. You know, no snow isn't that powerful. The problem though is that he's floating down the earth. He doesn't know if any of the other crew members have also been able to get out of the plane like him. Also as he's floating down, the error around him is somewhere between 40 and 50 degrees below zero. But the windchill makes it more than 100 degrees below zero. He's wearing his army issued flight suit, a downfilled parka and canvas muck looks. And luckily, he also has several pairs of socks on what he doesn't have on or his heavy duty gloves because he had to just, you know, escape bailout. So the airstings, his exposed hands and face as he's floating toward the earth. Somehow he avoids all the trees and rocks and everything that's super dangerous and he lands without injury. But then he immediately sinks hip deep into snow. He's about two miles from where the plane crashed. He has no idea if any of his crewmates are alive or dead. He just starts shouting anyway. Just in case someone could hear him, but he's met with silence. Lieutenant Leon Crane is now faced with the fact that he'll have to figure all of this out on his own, which would be a huge problem for anybody, but especially Lieutenant Crane, who sources describe as quote, a city boy from Philadelphia. Oh, shit. So it's not like he's got some survivalist experience or anything. And despite being stationed in Alaska for the last two months, he hasn't gotten any practical survival training for this cold rugged environment. The good news is there's some things that are just playing common sense. He knows the temperature is going to plummet once the sun goes down. Some are between two and three o'clock. And that means he has just a couple of hours before he's at risk of freezing to death. And if by some miracle he does survive the night, he knows whatever food, water or supplies the bomber had on board have gone up in flames. So that can't help him. Like if he just hikes to the wreckage. He also knows that the last time he and his crew gave their location via radio contact was around 11.08 a.m. when they were about 65 miles out from Lodfield. But they continued traveling for nearly an hour after that without checking in. So he realizes to the army he and his crewmates could be anywhere. So Lieutenant Crane starts with what he's got in front of him. He wraps himself up in his parachute for warmth. And he looks at the tools that he actually brought two matchboxes with about 40 matches between the two. A boy scout knife that he carries with him everywhere and a letter from his father back in Pennsylvania. Then he scans the area around him identifying a small frozen over river. And he heads toward that. Always go toward the water. Yeah, right? Yes. So then you can follow it down, right? Because it's always going down to meet bigger water, right? Where people build homes because it's near the water and we need water to survive. That's right. You are very smart. I made that all up. So Leon can't know this at the time, but he is at the headwaters of the Charlie river. And that empties out into the Yukon. He starts collecting driftwood from the river banks, which he then cuts down with his pocket knife and arranges into a little cone to start a fire for warmth. But his hands are so ice cold as he does this. They've gone completely numb. So he struggles to get the fire started and he ends up having to use the letter from his father as kindling. But he does get a small fire going. So he warms himself up as much as he can. He's obviously exhausted and he can't help but start wondering if he might die out there all alone. Fortunately, he does wake up the next morning, bundled in his parachute, still very cold, increasingly hungry and unsure of what comes next, but he is alive. You carry a knife? I carry a knife. Do you carry a knife? I always make sure there's something sharp in my purse that something kind of like could cut through something. But I don't I so easily forget things of like I'm not going to all walk through a security like deeper with a nice easily. Yes, I had to replace my pepper spray so many times because I don't take it out of the airport. Yes, I'm not like savvy. This is savvy smart. Aware enough. Yeah. I mean, I'm still putting my phone down when I start looking at sweaters and walking away. I just can't. So me and knives aren't. Oh, you carry the knife. So he wakes up. It's day two in the Alaskan wilderness and Lieutenant Crane is still holding out hope that rescuers will find the crash site and then be able to save him. He focuses on that short term survival. So he keeps his driftwood fire going as he makes an impromptu campsite and he stays hydrated by eating snow. This is actually something experts say can be risky to do because it burns a lot of your energy because it's cold. And so then you have to heat it up. Your body expense too much energy to heat it up. Interesting. It also risks cooling your body to the point of hypothermia. Right. Oh, man, I was like, snow, you have unlimited water. No, careful. Also ice cream headaches, but it does work for Lieutenant Crane in this situation. He waits for the sounds of a rescue plane all day long. Then the next day and the next day, after nine days pass, he is forced to accept no one is coming for him. So on top of that, he hasn't had anything substantial to eat in that long, right? But the problem is he can see squirrels running in the trees above his campsite. So the hungrier he gets the more desperately, he tries like to, you know, basically hunt these squirrels. But he doesn't have any real weapons to help him. And he's tries to make them, but he has very limited materials. So he attempts linking like rudimentary clubs and a slingshot and he tries to fashion a sort of spear. None of it works. The squirrels always get away. Lieutenant Crane's morale is sinking and fearing he might starve to death. He decides his best bet will be to follow the frozen river, hoping it just leads him to people. Like he can't just stay at this campsite. But following the river turns out to be a treacherous hike through ice and snow along sometimes very steep rocky inclines. The Anchorage Daily News reports that it takes Lieutenant Crane several hours just to travel a few hundred feet. So he's in some serious like wilderness. You have picture of like what it looks like. Yeah. Can we put up a picture of maybe the crash site, but that's it. The crash site is too clear. Oh, but it's he's on snow. Right. Well, he bailed out like I think what would be like two miles away from here. Okay. Yeah. That's where where the crash site like they probably went back to take that picture. Right. Totally. So of course he's getting exhausted, but he is able to find breaks in the ice and he's able to drink river water, which is good. He still isn't eating that much, though, aside from a few plants here and there. And then at night, he follows the same routine. He lights a small fire. He warms himself up. He wraps himself up in his parachute. But the hungrier he gets, of course, the more he's dreaming of food. He has vivid dreams about steaks and potatoes and frothy milkshakes. Same. Every day. So this goes on for another week for Lieutenant Crane. And at this point, he's been out in the wilderness for over two weeks. He is nearly just depleted, but he keeps on. He gets up to hike one more time. And one day as he's trudging along the river, something amazing happens. He looks up to see a small log cabin in the distance. As he gets closer, he discovered this cabin is not only unlocked. It is fully stocked with food and supplies. And this is not a mirage. It's actually customary in the frontier as a sort of pay it forward practice by hunters and trappers who know how lethal getting lost in the Alaskan wilderness can be. So they leave their stuff open and they leave it fully stocked for anyone who might need it. That's amazing. It's got a beautiful. That's like that in certain towns where polar bears are always around. People leave their car doors unlocked. Just so if you're like walking, so you can get in. You can get in. Polar bear. You can jump in someone's car. I didn't know that. It has to be Alaska, right? Oh, it makes sense. Yeah. Leon finds a name on some of the items around the property. And that name is Phil Barale. And he figures it's the cabin's owner. And he is like, I'll never forget this person. Yeah. Because this cabin is a literal lifesaver. Lieutenant Crane finds clothes. He also crucially finds a pair of mittens among the supplies. There's also shelf stable food. There's a gun for hunting. Jesus. There's all sorts of tools. There's a stove. There's a supply of ready to use firewood. Like he doesn't even have to go chop firewood. It's like he leveled up in a video game. Yes. You know, he earned this cabin. Yeah. He even finds himself some hot cocoa. Yeah. So he warms up. He feeds himself. He stays the night in Phil Barale's cabin, desperately hoping. That means that some other person maybe fill himself. If not an entire homestead is nearby. But this is the part of the movie where if the camera pulled up out of the roof and then expanded out, you would be able to see high in the air that Lieutenant Crane is a hundred miles away from the nearest settlement. Oh, no. Yeah. He doesn't know that though. What Lieutenant Crane knows is that he's fed and rested and that the next morning with mittens finally covering his frostbitten hands and pockets filled with raisins that he's found at the cabin. He sets out on his course along the Charlie River. He spends the entire day hiking that same punishing terrain hoping that he is going to find, you know, a cabin a mile away, two miles away. He doesn't find anything. So then he has to turn back and hike all the way back to the cabin. When he gets there, he's exhausted and defeated and he collapses. Pocketful raisins. With fucking raisins. Gross. Those don't keep. But back then it was like the 40s. People were like, this is nature's candy. It's a delicacy. I love this. So Lieutenant Crane spends the next six weeks venturing out of this cabin a couple miles at a time hoping to find something other than vast snowy expanses. It never happens. And he doesn't know what else to do. What would you do? Stay there. Just keep staying. Just live. Yeah. Ration stay. Yep. Hope that someone comes back at some point. I think what I would do is light the forest around me on fire and be like, try to find some liquor and be like, if they don't see this smoke, I don't know what. I don't know how to help these people. My stomach is growling now because I think I'm so in it with you. That happened. I was working on this this morning, but I was sitting outside. And of course, everyone's going to hate me. And you, when I say this, it was freezing. It was like 53 degrees this morning. It's like, what? So I was typing and I realized I thought I was really into the story. But I was like, no, my hands are cold. I'm not used to any temperature. Right. Filtration whatsoever. Okay. So your plan is what his plan was at first. Lieutenant Crane was just going to subsist on what was in Phil Barale's cabin until warmer weather comes and basically thaws everything out. But then he realizes that even if he really rations to barely eats every day, there isn't enough food to sustain him for that long. So he is forced to once again set out along the river side. But this time, he has fashioned himself a very simple sled so that he can take as many of the supplies and tools with him as he can, which is great. So now he has a tent and a sleeping bag. So as bad as the situation is, it is definitely better than it was before. He's gained strength. He's gained morale. He's gained some mittens. So he heads out once again. He walks for miles and miles. At one point, he stops to get cold water from the river. But he slips and he falls into the river. It's of course ice cold. Somehow Lieutenant Crane manages to get back out, but now his clothes begin to freeze. So embarrassed. All those little animals that saw him. It was like fucking lands on the side of his face and shoulder. Grown man falling. It was like just not. No one wants to see that. No. Grown man child doesn't matter. Falling is the ultimate humiliation. Oh, my. Alone or not. We're walking into it. Maybe the worst alone. Then you're grunting and getting up. You're really left. No one comes and says, oh no, are you okay? We can laugh together about how funny and clumsy that was. No, I remember every fall. It's just you and yourself beating yourself up for falling down. Okay, wait, sorry. Because this is supposed to be exciting. See, because he's going down the river and he's like maybe I'm making progress. He falls into the river immediately. He's in danger. His life is immediately in danger. Like as he's trying to assess the situation and fix it, he has to do it as quickly as possible. But he's shivering so hard he can barely control his hands. And he also kind of can't think straight because his body is in shock. So he pushes through and he is able to start a fire. Then he runs a rope above it. He strips off all of his icy clothes, hangs them across the rope, and then he runs into his tent naked and like, you know, wraps himself up, praying that the flames won't burn so high that they burn his clothing. Right. But like, basically I have to dry out that clothing and then warm myself up. Yeah. Fortunately, his clothes do dry out. He does warm up. He puts his clothes back on. He gets into a sleeping bag and he just goes to sleep. Today is this. So he then just has to get up the next day. He's back at it hiking along the river. Occasionally he manages to catch a squirrel or a bird, eating a bird, all those bones. He covers a couple of miles a day. He does this for two more weeks. At one point he has to abandon his sled. It's just too heavy and clunky and it's too hard. So whatever supplies or tools he can't carry, he has to leave behind. So just another devastating moment of like, is this, am I just like, bread crumming my life away here? Totally. Trying to get somewhere, which is kind of what life feels like a lot of the time. For sure. We don't all get a sled. Some of us get sleds. You got to make your own sled. Right. And then you just got to focus that there will be a cabin that's unlocked. Right. There will be. You just got to keep going. Hot cocoa in the future. There is. And a hot full of reasons. We want people to keep going. You can put the reasons in the hot cocoa. The reasons mean whatever you want them to mean. Like, right? The reasons are symbolic of positive things. Even though they don't seem like it. So he doesn't know if doing this is the best plan for him. He just simply has no choice. And he continues. And then once again, the unlikliest miracle happens. Lieutenant Crane comes across another unlocked and fully stocked cabin. Come on. Where to go? This is actually really like life. We're like, some people just get fucking come across, cabins, stocked full. Yeah. And some of us don't. And you can't forget it. No, I'm going to continue this. Yeah. You know what it is? It's the people who keep trudging along. Right. It's the people who take risks. Yeah. And it's the people who dig down and go like, I want to live and I want to make this. Yeah. And so I'm just going to, I'm going to play the odds. I'm going to do my best. I'm not going to let my brain get me down. And I will believe that there are unlocked cabins filled with reasons to the brain. But meanwhile, the motherfuckers who were born in the cabin full of food are saying that the people who weren't, I could just go on and on. I know. Are lazy and taking their, their skiing jobs. I mean, those people do exist, but let's focus on the people who leaves the cabin unlocked filled with supplies. OK. Because those people are, there's more, more people like that. That's us. I think that's us. That's us. That's America right now. Those blamers and those cabin people, those original born in the cabin people. Yeah. Let's not worry about those. OK. So much. Not in this story. OK. This story is filled with reasons. OK. So Lieutenant Crane lays down his pack. And once again, just sets out to recover, just like he did the first time, he stays in this cabin for about a week. Now it's March 10th. And that means it's been 81 days since Lieutenant Crane parachuted out of the bomber on December 21st. Shit. He's back on the river side walking along, just trying to find someone's, I mean, what a frustrating hike this would be to be like, you're just going to hike until you try to find something or someone. There has to be something somewhere at some point. But you're in the Alaskan interior. No, thank you. Rough. He's walking along the river side. He notices a neat trail of packed snow. And to him, it looks recent. And it looks like it could be tracks from a dog's lead. Ooh. So there's something to be excited about. He follows these tracks until they lead him to another cabin. Oh my God. And this one is occupied. Oh. Leon approaches and a man steps outside to greet him. It's the first person Lieutenant Crane has spoken to in more than three months. And he tells the man, quote, I've been in a little trouble. Boy, am I glad to see you. Wow. I bet. Yeah. So this man explains that he is a trapper named Albert Ames and he lives in this cabin with his family. So he actually lives out there. Crane apologizes for not being particularly coherent. He can barely talk to this man. Like, once he said, I'm in trouble. I'm glad to see you. It was like the man was, uh, Albert Ames was trying to talk to him. And he just couldn't have a conversation. He hadn't seen people in 81 days. No. For sure. Albert Ames shows him mercy. He takes Lieutenant Crane inside, offers him food, lets him spend the next few days recovering. And Crane will soon learn. He has walked just about 100 miles in the last 81 days. Here's a map of what it looks like. Whoa. Him crossing all those rivers. Yeah. And there's really nowhere else he could have gone. Right. Kind of, you know, where it's like, I hate those stories where it's like, if he had just gone the other way, those 10 feet, yeah, I know he would have been in Fekin. Whatever. It's triangle of sadness for it's like, there's a sandals right on the other side of this mountain. But you went that way. Wow. Right. Well, and also if he had followed, say a different river or something else, he wouldn't have gotten to Albert Ames. Right. Which is, you need people. Right. The fact that he came upon two cabins is just so unbelievable. Yeah. Crazy. Kind of meant to be ish. Yeah. This is also when Lieutenant Crane sees himself in the mirror for the first time in months. And here's how he describes himself when he sees himself. He says, quote, I had a two inch beard black as coal. My hair was long and matted, covering my ears and coming down over my forehead, almost to my eyes, so that I looked like some strange species of prehistoric man. I was dirty and sunburned and wind burned and my eyes stared back at me from the centers of two deep black circles. Jesus. Yeah. End quote. So as he's recovering, Lieutenant Crane tells Albert about Phil Barrail's cabin and how it was this godson that he found at his lowest point. And he's shocked to learn that Albert knows exactly who Phil Barrail is, because actually everyone in the area does, Phil's a regionally famous hardcore trapper who's described in the book 81 Days Below Zero as having quote, an almost scary tolerance for discomfort or pain. Nothing seemed to make him win, unquote. Wow. So he's basically a local legend. Yeah. So three days later, when Lieutenant Crane is fully rested, Albert Ames loads him up on his dog sled and takes him on a two day trip to Woodshop or Alaska. So even on a dog sled to get back to civilization takes two days, which just shows you how far he went. Yes. And how far he had left to go, if you haven't met anyone. Yes, alone with no sled, with no dogs. Got dogs. And also, I think that the thing, it's like there was so much snow because he's on a sled, but Albert Ames is in snowshoes. Right. So they have to get through. It's like there's no paths. Yeah. It's been snowing. Like it's the true wilderness. Why don't you understand? Like it's like Griffith Park on a rainy day. It's like exactly out of here. When there's a light breeze and Griffith Park. Okay, so they get to Woodshop or Alaska. Best name of all time. This is an old gold mining settlement that's a ghost town now, but there's an air strip there. So Lieutenant Crane is able to contact his unit and have him come and pick him up there. Hey guys, it's me. Yeah. I know you thought I was dead, but it's me. Woodshop also happens to be where Phil Barale lives. So they roll into town. Then Albert takes Lieutenant Crane to Phil's house and basically says, here's the man that saved your life from a distance. The two men drink rum together while Lieutenant Crane tells Phil his story of survival over the past few months and they bond over their shared toughness. Wow. Because who could appreciate that story better than the man who doesn't win? For sure. The next morning is March 14th and Lieutenant Leon Crane boards the airplane that takes him back to LAD field in Fairbanks, Alaska. All this time, he's been wearing his now tattered flight suit. So when he de-planes at LAD field, everyone is stunned. It's not like he got to Woodshopper and was suddenly able to get it all together. It's a ghost town. Yeah. Makeover. Yeah. So no, he walks off the plane looking pretty bad. After taking a hot shower and getting a medical exam, Leon asks for a milkshake. It's reported that when Lieutenant Crane learns his four fellow crewmen have not yet been located, he immediately gets back onto yet another plane to help the Army find that wreckage site. And it leads to the recovery of two crewman's bodies, Sergeant Ralph Lenz and Lieutenant James Cybert. It's not until half century later in 2006, when remains found not far from the wreckage, are positively linked to second lieutenant Harold Hoskin. But to this day, Master Sergeant Richard Pompeo's remains have never been found. Wow. So despite Lieutenant Crane's story becoming legendary, especially within the US military, he actually goes on to live a very quiet life. He eventually returns to Philadelphia. He starts a family. He becomes an aeronautical engineer. And he is credited with working on some of the earliest versions of modern helicopters. Wow. So yeah, this is a very smart man. In 2002, and also maybe, ooh, that's part of why it was meant to be, which part, that he basically found those cabins and took the right path because modern helicopters needed to be invented. OK. You're not seeing the fate? I'm following that trajectory with a lot of doubt in your eyes. I'm trying to be deep. In 2002, Leon Crane passes away. He's in his early 80s. And he leaves behind six children, who then in the summer of 2005, three years later, decide they're going to revisit their father's journey along the Charlie River. Oh, my God. They go via plane and then raft. For a week, they witnessed the world. Their father survived for 81 days, including the ruins of Phil Berrails Cabin. Wow. They take it all in. They even find some of the tools their father left near Phil's Cabin that he had described to them when he told the stories. Leon Crane never sought fame or seemed to want much attention. So we don't really have many firsthand quotes from him on this incredible survival saga. But he did agree to a recorded interview on the 90s where he makes his feelings very well-known. In that, he says, quote, God awful place Alaska, ice and snow and cold as hell. And that is the story of Lieutenant Leon Crane's incredible survival in the Alaska wilderness. Wow. You did it. He did it. Right. But thought, but we did it. We did it. Ultimately, this is our victory. We're going to claim it. Right. That's all. Yeah. We're in the car. We are in the car. And you know what that means. That means new honking arrays presented by Hyundai. Can I go first? Sure. This email was sent to us. It says, hey, ladies, excited to share my array with you. This year, I turned 40. And I did something I've wanted to do for many years. I joined my local civic choir. What is that? That's the town choir. Wow. OK. I was in chorus, author, high school, performed in musicals and was a member of the prestigious all-female ensemble called, you know, we're an ensemble, called the Melodeers. It's been 22 years since I graduated high school and I really missed being in a choir. Every Monday, I'm excited to go to rehearsal and I've made some wonderful friends these past few months. It's been such a fulfilling addition to my life. 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