April 3, 2026 Hour 3 Pat Kirwan & Donnie Tyndall

You're listening to Miller and Moulton coming at you from the Floor Meisters Studios. Floor Meisters keeping it real. And now here's Mark Miller and David Moulton. It is the final hour of the show in Southwest Florida, Punta Gorda, Port Charlotte, Venice, five Oak Lake City and surrounding areas. We're just halfway home in Jacksonville in Tampa St. Pete. We are Miller and Moulton, MillerandMoulton.com, Miller underscore Moulton on X. Our poll question, final four tomorrow night. So who's gonna win? Who will be playing Monday night? That's what we're asking of you in our poll question. Choose between Illinois and Yukon, Arizona and Michigan. It's that day in time though for Pat Kerwin and NFL Radio's Moving the Chains weekdays three to six. He was just at the owners meetings in Arizona. Pat's appearances are always brought to us courtesy of Pinchers. Pinchers, Tampa to Key West, hall points in between. Pinchers where you can't fake fresh. So how are your travels? Everything okay? Yep, it's always good. It's very casual atmosphere. A lot of the coaches and GM's are comfortable and they sit down and they'll say more this time of year. I did a lot of formal interviews, I think 15 of them and then we did another whole bunch of guys down the hall and at the reception and all that business. So yeah, a lot of done there. A couple of things troubled me though. Like I was saying this to Mark before we started. This compulsion to put the best teams on the international games. Like, do they know the difference between seeing the Cardinals and seeing the Cowboys? No, they don't, but they hear Cowboys. So they want, so we keep sending out and what are we going to do when we get to the 18 games and everybody's out? The amount of good games that are leaving the country. I don't know. Not a big fan of that. And then I'm not a big fan of this little thing of let's try to make Friday games. And we got a bunch of them this year, not a short week. And you guys probably covered this, but it was like the discussions I got in with coaches off the air, not happy. So we're going to have those games, that's six teams on Christmas, Friday after Thanksgiving, all of a sudden. And think about the teams that are going to be in that Friday after Christmas. They're probably all going to be playoff teams. They're all playing on a short week and it's the end of the season and here comes the post season and there'll be injuries in them. So don't like that stuff. It's either a short week or it's not a short week and it's a short week. And they're starting to abuse that privilege over there. So I wish I wish we could stop talking about that. Like it's not a short week because the rule is, as you guys already stated to your listeners, you're only allowed to play twice. And this is going to make it a third time. We're just really stretching out the health and safety. Do we actually think this health mark your answer, please? Health or safety? Is it a priority? No, no, no, it's it's window dressing. I will say that I do want to challenge one thing you said there about the international games and good teams. You mentioned cowboys and good teams and I don't think that that applies. Oh, well, you know, I wanted to say it just to set you off, which I just did. But we all know the TV audience in America. Why do they get the maximum number of nationally televised games? They don't deserve them. If you go back to every year since they've been bad, that's 30 years. How many good teams did the country not see because they didn't qualify as interesting to the media? So I'll give you an example. Buffalo, when they started to grow into what they were, they weren't on national TV all the time. When the Tennessee Titans got all the way to the championship game, they weren't on TV. And so we were basically brainwashed to think you'd rather see the cowboys than the Titans. We never bring along the teams that are growing. We always go back to the old nostalgic. How about them cowboys? A couple of years ago, we did a Monday night game in Dallas. Four and eight Bengals and the four and eight Cowboys. And I and I brought up at a production meeting like three weeks in advance. I go, is there any chance we would flex out of this game? And they looked at me and they go, it's the Cowboys, right? I go, yeah, but they're both really bad. And they're like, yeah, it doesn't matter. Like, OK, just just wondered was just was just asking. OK, the 18 games, clearly the league wants it. What can the players ask for in all seriousness? I mean, are we sure they're going to give a second by week if they go 18? Well, will the season be now a 20 week season where we play 18 games? I mean, I'm just curious, what are you hearing about the 18 game schedule and the timing of it? Well, they want it in by 27. They're not waiting around here. As always, the union has. Well, how much leverage do they have when it's all said and done? I would think a lot. I mean, they don't say yes. It doesn't happen. Well, why would they say no? Because the players whose average careers four years, they're talking about seeing four extra paychecks for their whole professional life. They're going to vote for that. Now, if the union figures out a way not to let the rank and file vote. Yeah, they'll hold up. But I think they're just going to get what some of the things they want. The union should want expanded rosters. That's more guys in the union. They should all want something like that. How do they determine what the extra pay is going to be? Is it simply an extra game check? You know, with the amount of signing bonus we give out now, game checks are not that big. For a lot of guys. You go look at how many guys restructure their contracts and take and get salary converted to signing bonus. Now, how are you going to figure out the guy who did that for you? He made a sign. He made it exchange of paragraph five for a signing bonus, but now we're adding an extra game and now it's a game check. That's not that's not a good deal. So I think they have to figure out how to compensate the guys. The amount of money they're going to make by having these extra games that we don't need to hear that they are running low on money. Or as the owners say, we have to cap some of these contracts. Why? Because you made a mistake and paid a bunch of quarterbacks, a lot of money and they're not very good and you're stuck with this dead money. So those arguments are going to happen when it's all about money. Those arguments are going to happen. When it's all said and done, the players, I talked to a lot of players, they're all four, a four extra game checks in their career and that's all it would turn into. Well, and I think, you know, long, I'd be thinking more long term quicker or shorter amount of games for me to get full pension, things that are going to take care of me past my football career. I would think would be important, but that's up to the players to decide. You know, David and I were talking earlier this week, Pat. I'm just curious your thoughts. Baker Mayfield's coming up on the last year of his deal. To us, it's obvious they've got to extend him. When you see the contracts of the Trevor Lawrence's and you see what Daniel Jones got, I don't know where you think Baker is. If he's a top, you know, third guy, if he's a middle third guy, whatever the case may be, but they don't have an alternative right now. So you would think Baker has some hand. David and I kind of quibbled about the money that we think he should get. What do you think is a deal that he would accept? I know what the bucks want to give him, but what's Baker going to want? Well, Baker perceives himself as a top 10 quarterback and he's tenacious enough to not come off his impression of himself and I love him for it, but the league's not going to see Baker Mayfield that way. His market, if his agent's doing his job and trying to fish around for what his street value is, which is what your question is, my guess is that you might find him slotted in around 16th, right in the middle, not much higher than that. And this season is a gigantic one. If he's able to go out and win a division without Mike Evans and starts to demonstrate that he can put up the kind of production he's put in the past, this is now, and I hate to say it, but guys like Baker and Sam Donald, they have to keep proving it. They don't get to the point where they're 55 million a year because there's now with all these backfiring contracts that have happened. I think you got to be careful and I like Baker and yes, right now they don't have an alternative, but alternatives are coming. Mac Jones is going to be in the middle of this next year. So they're going to be, they are going to be Wayne Baker and a deal that might land up fizzling on them in a year or two and they get stuck with a Kyla Murray world or a Tuoh world. One thing about the owners, they are not real happy about all that dead money and I'm sure they're laying it on their GMs or they're or they're firing their GMs for doing those deals. So it's Sam Donald is going to be free before you know it. He's 31 in two weeks. So obviously at the end of this year, you know, entering free agency. I threw out the Kirk Cousins contract in Atlanta for for 180. I'd guaranteed most of it to be honest. I'd get, I said to Mark, I guarantee three and a half of the four years. I'd go like 150 to 160 million guaranteed. Okay. Does that sound because it's more than Daniel Jones. I mean, I think it's difficult for Jason like to look at Baker Mayfield with a straight face and say, I'm not going to give you the annual value of Daniel Jones, but four for 180. Is that sound about right to you? For me, if I was a GM, it would be, but I don't think they're going to do it. Wow. I think that these guys land up in a box basically of who they think they are. They're excited. Baker's kind of come through, but I think they're going to low ball it. And it's not going to be pretty sight. It's going to be a little bit of a shock to Baker. And I don't think they're going to feel confined with Baker that they have to go to him because they're boxed in. I don't think so. If they don't win that division, watch out. Okay. Kirk Cousins. We got about a minute, Pat Kirk Cousins got signed yesterday. David and I are, you know, we love the idea. It gives Mendoza time in Vegas. He's someone he can learn from. We all know how well Kirk studies the game. Your thoughts about Vegas signing Kirk Cousins. It's brilliant. Number one, and it's a bargain. Number two, my suspicion is getting to know Kirk as I have. I'm spending a lot of talking time with him at the end of the season. I think one year after this starts, he is going to go home and not play again. He's going to do it. He's going to like it, but he's going to be away from his family. He's going to be like Matt Ryan was living in a condo by himself when he went to the cults, calling it the biggest mistake of his career. And I think Kirk is even more of a homebody. One year in Vegas should just about finish him off. We joke and Pat, we got about 30 seconds, but we joked. Could there be two quarterbacks that would sit around at the diner and have milk more than cousins and Mendoza? No, that'll be right. An animal crackers. Don't forget the animal crackers. Fat Kirk would. You know why you're laughing? Because you know it's possible. Absolutely. I want the lion. You can have the elephant. Pat Kerwin weekdays, three to six NFL radio moving the chains. Okay. Pat's weekly appearances brought to us courtesy of Pinterest. Tampa to Key West all points in between Pinterest. We can't fake fresh more of Pat right after this. Animal crackers underrated. Welcome back to Miller and Moulton. Text the guys what's in your mind at 21,000. That's 21,000. And now here's David Moulton. Our remaining moments with Pat Kerwin. Joining us courtesy of Pinterest. Pat and all our guests appear on the American Paint Supplies Hotline. You're one stop shop for all your coding needs. Donnie Tyndall, long time coach. He'll break down the final four for us coming up in a little more than 15 minutes time. All right, Pat. Obviously the draft is coming. I'm guessing you talked to a lot of folks at the owners meetings and maybe got some vibes. When you look at the top five, like we know the Raiders are going Mendoza, but the Jets, the Cardinals, the Titans, the Giants. Do you see anybody trading out of those positions? And we know it takes two to tango. Someone's got to want to come up. Everybody always wants to trade down. But did you hear anything that make you makes you think something eventful could happen early in the draft? Well, after Mendoza, do you see a lot of defensive guys going? Just let's generally talk about that like a run of four or five defensive guys. And I think from what the guys say, first off, I said to him, we ran a mock draft as an exercise. But what it came to fruition at the end was there were 21 defensive guys picked by me and Jacob Hester. And obviously only like 11 offensive guys. Do you think this is a defensive draft? The answer was yes. And the more I talked to them off the air, the more they said, yeah, it's going to be a great defensive draft. And so to your question, after Mendoza, Jeremiah Love bangs into the top five. I think it almost impossible for someone to pass them. But they like the defensive guys so much that they, you know, Montsourde Delaney, Caleb Downs, Sunny Styles, Reese. We all know the names Bailey. I think they're going to feel like they can get a good defensive player where they are. And my experience personally, there is no quarterback that they're going to come up for. Mendoza is gone and no one's going to race up there for any other quarterback. With that being said, and the quality of the defensive guys, I don't think they're going to do it. Mark, I think they're going to, we'll roll through to first five to six. So we were talking specifically about the Bucks earlier in the week, Pat. What would they do at 15? Every mock draft that Mark sees has the tight end Sadiq from Oregon going to them at 15. But then we said, man, they need an edge rusher. Don't you have to, you know, A, how many, you know, impact edge rushers do you see in this draft? Okay, B, are you going to have to trade up from 15 to get one? If you know what I mean, you know, we've had this discussion in the last few years, Pat, about offensive tackles. And there have been drafts where there's been three of them and four of them. And I'm curious, Mark and I think this could be one of those years where there are four impact right away edge rushers. And you better go get one of them or otherwise you're just drafting a pretty good player. I agree with that. It's funny about the first thing you said about Sadiq in our mock draft, I had Baltimore, I took Sadiq to Baltimore. And I'll tell you why, because that quarterback's experience with tight ends tells me he needs tight ends. Isaiah likely is gone. Mark is, Andrews is getting old. Sadiq to me puts another eight years on Lamar's ability to find the open tight end. So I don't think he gets past them. That'd be just my guess. I think he's such a freak athlete. Maybe someone up above that would even consider him. But that's where I put Sadiq, you know, who fell to Tampa Bay at 15 was Reuben, Reuben Bain. Those short arms. Whereas a topic of conversation. And a little research project, which you guys love doing. Go find out how many guys were double digit set guys with 30 inch arms. And you might have to go back to 1999 to find the first one. It's that big of a deal, Pat. And I guess I ask it in this way, because I know the school that you come from, and working with Gil Brandt for all those years, that he had certain measurables that were just inarguable to him. But the league is changing. So is that the most important thing? Whether it's tackle for certain things, and size of quarterback hands, all the things that we don't really think about. Is that the one? Is it the edge rusher with short arms? That's the biggest deal out there? That's a great question. Because I see the roadblocks at other positions. Short arms at left tackle, that's a problem. So why the short arm business with the pass rusher and the guy blocking them? The longest arms gets to the body the best. And if they get control of you. And so the Rubin thing, if you guys do the math, go find out. But one of the coaches just said to me, he goes, it's been a long time since the guy with arms that short was successful in the NFL. As a first round double digit sack guy. So I think if you got the Tampa, I think bowls wouldn't care less about the arms. But guys above that, they might care about the arms. We know two of the past rushes are going to go in the top four or five Reese and Bailey. They're going to be gone. And then after that, you start dribbling down and you start asking yourself, well, who's going to take another one? I'll tell you one name that came up more than I thought it would. I kept saying to guys, well, who else do you like? You know what name came up multiple times? Akeem ezador. There were guys that I say, who do you like? Oh, yeah, I said, I have to just get rid of the first two. Akeem ezador, when I hear that name more than once, I start thinking about it and who's going to do something about it. Someone's going to take Falk because he's got the traits. He doesn't have the production, but he has the traits. So I think if you do a little, I'm going to be doing some myself, but go find a guy that if you can get the data for that. Arms that short that had a great past rush career. So wouldn't you love him in Tampa? Oh my goodness. Do the happy dance if he fell to 15. That'd be incredible. I mean, Pat, here's what I'm wondering. You know, we look every year we go, how did Cooper cup and Pukinakua fall to the, how in the world did J.J. Watt fall to 11? I mean, you know, don't we just get things wrong sometimes? Can't you? Absolutely. Can't you just move him over the guard some third down? I mean, don't you think he becomes a 10, 12 sack guy year just on third down over the right guard? Well, first off, I've already said this on this show. I'd be, I'd be drafting Ruben Bain to be my three technique, not a defensive end. And people go, I said, he's 275. He's as fast as a lightning bolt inside. He'd be ridiculously fast. Isn't he John Randall? Wouldn't he be John Randall all over? Yeah. Yeah. You know, I go with the Pete Carroll rule. Don't I don't care about dimensions. I want a fullback who lifts weights. That's my three technique. That's what he says. You think I ever forgot that I spent like nine years looking for those guys. Hey, do you ever play fullback? What are you bench? You know, that's how I used to talk to guys. Hey, Pat, we talked about this yesterday because Tampa's asking for the bucks are asking for money. It's a redo rate, Ray J. And, you know, I don't think Tampa gets another Super Bowl without redoing Ray J. You're at the owners meetings. You're talking to these guys. You know, we all think Nashville is going to get one Vegas seems to be on the rotation. LA seems to be on the rotation. Is Tampa on the outside looking in to ever get a Super Bowl again? Or if they redo Ray J. Are they back on the list? Well, they're not mentioned a lot. I think what we're seeing is this love affair with indoor stadiums. And so that becomes even initial. Florida is great, but they want they want the security of that this product is going to be played in a sterile atmosphere. And so I think that's part of it, Mark. And if you don't have one of those, you know, you know, a Tampa rainstorm looks like they don't want any of that. They want to know they're very interested still in warm weather places that keeps Tampa and Miami alive. But I don't think that they're excited about stadiums that are going to be outside. Whether we like that or not. Yeah, I think they owe Tampa. I know the league's not much into loyalty, but I think, you know, Tampa got the COVID Super Bowl. I think they need to throw Tampa bone. I think it'd be the right thing to do. We'll see if they ever do it. He's back, Kerwin heading into Easter weekend. Listen to him today, three to six, moving the chains and the radio. Pat, as always, be well. Thanks for your time. My pleasure, guys. Happy Easter to you. Take care. Donnie Tindall to talk hoops next. You're listening to Miller and Moulton. And now here's Mark Miller and David Moulton. 22 minutes to the top of the hour. Final segment in Southwest Florida, Punta Gorda, Port Charlotte, Venice, live Oak Lake City in surrounding areas. Miller and Moulton, Miller and Moulton.com, Miller underscore Moulton on X. A very simple poll question today. You know, sometimes when you're doing a sports talk show, you got to take the layups. Pardon the pun because it's a question about basketball, but then it's Final Four. It gets underway tomorrow. So who's going to win the two games? Who are we going to be talking about Monday night? Playing for the NADD. And can it be Michigan and Illinois so that the Big Ten is assured of their first national title and hoops in 26 years? You know a bunch of Big Ten people. You are a Big Ten person. Does this mean anything to you or if it ends up being Yukon or Arizona cutting down the nets, will you be fine? I mean, I'll be fine, but I picked Michigan to play Yukon in our poll question. I'm rooting for Michigan against Illinois. I mean, come on for crying out loud. 26 years. I've played a lot of good basketball in this conference. There have been some good Spartan teams. There have been some good Purdue teams. There have been a lot of good teams that have gotten there and haven't been able to finish the deal. So I'm hopeful that the Big Ten can finally get it done this year. But you know, Arizona and Michigan have been the best two teams all year. And well, Yukon, when they get this far, you know what they usually do, David? They usually cut down the damn nets. Yes, they do on both sides, by the way, men's and women's. They're very good once they get to the final four. He's an outstanding men's basketball coach done at the D1 level at Moorhead State, Southern Miss in Tennessee. He's been the head coach at Chipotle College. Well, this decade, he's Donnie Tyndall, who's kind enough to join us. You can follow Donnie on X at Donnie, IE, D-O-N-N-I-E. And then Tyndall, T-Y-N-D-A-L-L. Donnie, it's David and Mark. It's good to talk to you again. How you been? I'm doing well, guys. Good morning to you. All right, before we get to the final four, okay, we used to talk to you pretty regularly. All right, the NCAA came down hard on you, but that penalty is over. You're still a young guy. You're in your early to mid-50s. Curious, okay? I mean, Joey Cantens, our buddy at Daytona State, just got the FIU job. With the way the sport is changing, do you think that you're going to find your way back to the D1? Well, that's a great question. You know, I believe I can and I believe I will. I had a couple opportunities that I met with administrators at two different universities this spring, and I didn't work out for a couple of different reasons. And I tell people all the time, you know, I've been at the pinnacle. I was at Moorhead State when we beat Louisville and the NCAA Tournament. It doesn't get much better than that. And I've been the youngest head coach in the SEC, which is pretty, you know, fulfilling as well. But I was also, you know, on the low side of things when you lose your job, go through an NCAA investigation and all the things that happen. So there's pros and cons to that level. And I have a great job. My administration here is phenomenal here at Chipola. I've been here six years now. We've won the conference, which is the toughest junior college conference in America all six years. Four state titles. We've been to the national title, national championship six times, two final fours, and three sweet 16s. So I say all that to say, if it's the right opportunity, absolutely. I would look at it and I did this spring at a couple situations. But I've got a great job. We actually have a guy that played for me my first two years, guys. It's now in the NBA with the Cleveland Cavaliers. So it's high level basketball and I'm enjoying it here. We'll see. My mom always has this line. God has you where he wants you. So right now he wants me here at Chipola and I'm proud and privileged to be here. All right. You talked about, you know, your history and playing for championships. I'm just curious. We have two of these coaches that have been to final fours. Obviously, you know, one that's won the whole thing, but Dusty May got there with FAU. How important is having already been there in your opinion in a final four for these coaches? Obviously players, you know, they're all changing every year. So it's going to be new to them. But from a coaching standpoint, understanding the moment, understanding how to prepare your guys for the moment. How big do you think that is? Well, all these guys have played in high level games in the past. Even the guys that haven't been in the final four have played in, whether it's conference title games or elite eight games, sweet 16 games. My biggest thing on that level from everything I've heard and read and talked to guys about is handling the distractions outside of basketball the first time you go through it. You know, the ticket requests, the media requests, the player media requests, the player distractions, making sure their parents are going to be there, that the hotel for the parents families are set up, all those things that are anything to do with basketball. But yet, if you don't handle them the right way, if you aren't on top of them and organized and maybe have some experience or someone on your staff that has experience in handling those things, then they can become a distraction and affect the basketball. So I certainly think the two guys that have been there probably have a little bit of an advantage. But again, I don't think it's a basketball advantage. It's the handling the distractions and the business side of things the right way because it's a busy hectic week for everybody. Tony Tindall, the head coach at Chipotle College, kind of enough to join us here on Miller and Moulton on the American Paint Supplies hotline, your one stop shop for all your coding needs. All right, first semifinal, Yukon, Illinois, you know, very small betting line on both games, but Illinois the slightest of favorites, just curious your thoughts on the matchup Yukon, Illinois. Well, I think this, you know, coach Hurley and his staff get a lot of credit for how innovative and good they are on the offensive side of the ball, and they certainly are. But, Illinois is pretty much the same way. Very, very fluid, smooth offensive team. They shoot it from four spots, sometimes five, depending on their lineup. They have a great offense as well. And so I'm a big defensive guy defending and rebounding. I've always said wins championships and Yukon is got that grit and toughness. They're great offensively. Don't get me wrong. But I think they've got a grit and a grit and a toughness about them on the defensive side that in my humble opinion gives them a small advantage. It's going to be a physical game. Both teams have good big guys. The Illinois big guy is more of a skilled step out and shoot it a little bit. Good shot block around the rim, whereas Yukon's big guy is just a monster inside. He's a force inside. I think in the sweet 16 game, he had maybe like 27 points and 21 rebounds. You know, Kenneth Fareed type numbers. The guy I used to coach at Morehead State. But I just think the physicality of Yukon and them being as good as they are on the defensive side of the ball late in the game when they have to have stops, I give them a small edge. And by the way, guys, I'm wanting to go against Danny Hurley in my career. So if he wins, that's good for me, right? No doubt. No doubt at all. You know, the other thing, and I'm just curious your thoughts, because obviously you're playing in a huge arena and it's a little bit different. The lines are different. Illinois relies on the three ball a lot more than Connecticut. I would think on Saturday, maybe more than Monday. That's a factor. Does that make any sense to you, Donnie? Absolutely, it does. The depth perception in those arenas certainly is different than where they've been playing, even though they've been obviously playing in some large venues. But I think this, I think just what you're saying, the shooting, that'll be on both sides. It's going to affect both teams that way. It's going to be even, right? From the three point line. And Yukon does shoot a good number of threes as well. Not as many as Illinois, but they depend on the three quite a bit. So again, what's this game going to come down to in my humble opinion defending and then being able to rebound the ball? And Yukon's a very good rebounding team. That grit and toughness, not that Illinois is soft in any way, shape or form. They're a very tough team too. But I just think that defense and rebounding mentality of Yukon and Coach Hurley will be enough to get them over the hump. You know, I think the last time we played in an arena was 96 Kentucky and Syracuse. They've been in these football stadiums ever since. Boy, right down the road is Hinkle. Okay, imagine if they could move this to Hinkle just to play the game. So it only cost them about 50,000 extra people at the game, but it would be so amazing if it was down the street. I was going to say ticket prices at Hinkle would really go up. Those assistant coaches that are there for the convention would really make some money. Exactly. No question. All right. The two supposed big boys, Michigan and Arizona, they've been top two, top three all year. Curious your thoughts on the matchup? Well, I think on paper, we probably you guys would agree these are the two best teams in the final four. Unfortunately, it's not going to be the title game because I believe that as well. I do think they're the two most talented teams. I think they're the two most efficient offensive teams. I don't know if the numbers prove that, but my goodness, are they efficient offensively? They move the ball. They'll shoot it from four spots with all lineups, some lineups will shoot it from five spots, which is so hard to guard. And they're so big too. Both teams have elite size and physicality around the goal and not just at the five spot. I'm talking about at the wings in the forward positions too. It's going to be a heck of a ball game. Dusty May was an assistant at Louisiana Tech under Mike White when I was the head coach at Southern Miss. So I know Dusty very well and so proud of all he's accomplished in his career. I don't know the coach at Arizona at all, but obviously coached for Mark Few, who's a great coach and learned a ton. So it's going to be two great coaches matching wits. I think I give Arizona the slight edge. I'm going to say this maybe, maybe the coach at Arizona that's being mentioned for the North Carolina job a little bit. Maybe just maybe that's been a small distraction for Arizona over the course of the week. I'm not saying he's going to take that job, but just a mention of it. I don't care how mentally tough you are, affects your team a tad. And so I'm going to go with Michigan. I'm going to go with Michigan in a tight ball game like all the odds makers are saying, but I just think they're going to have enough to get past Arizona. But it very well could be a 98 to 97 game. It's going to be fun to watch. How impressed are you with Arizona that they get to those numbers? Their offensive efficiency is incredible and they're like 330 in three point shots taken. I mean they do this in a way that not many other teams are doing it, Donny. You're right. And I think this, you know, I always try to teach my team or talk to my team about having a relentless mentality of driving the ball. If you're open, great. We let it ride and we shoot the three. But other than that, if we drive it and go kick swing and you're not open, we're going to redrive the ball trying to get the foul line or get that good clean look you want. And Arizona truly has a relentless mentality to drive the ball. Those guys are big. They're strong. They're physical. They can put it on the floor and get to the foul line and they don't settle. When they do shoot threes, they have a pretty good three point shooting team, but they take good ones. They take clean ones. And their coach deserves a ton of credit for that. He has that mentality instilled in his team where they do take good threes. They do try to play fast, but it's not always for jump shots. And that's a big part of why they're so good. They get to the foul line a ton. Donnie, appreciate you doing this and making time for us. Congratulations on all your success at Chipolo. We think you'll be back in the quote unquote big time. We know you're good enough and we wish you the best and hopefully we can do more of this again. I appreciate it guys. It's good to see you and have a great weekend. And I don't know if you care, but I'm going to pick you kind of in the upset and the final. Whoa. Once they get past the sweet 16, they cut down the net with early. So it's not that outlandish. That's for certain. Yeah. We'll have a good one guys. Appreciate you now. Thanks Donnie. Donnie Tindall. He's at Chipolo College these days. Had the big upset in the NCAA tournament with Moorhead State. They went to Southern Miss when the conference twice. Okay. Went to Tennessee. Got in trouble with the NCAA for stuff now. They'd laugh at him about. He got hit with a 10 year show cause, which is expired. Okay. So, Smith fifties. I'll bet he gets another shot somewhere. My Notre Dame friends had sent him to Notre Dame now. Just got that text. They still have basketball there? They were playing it. I mean, I knew the women were playing it. They're really good. The men not so much. Oh boy. How quickly, how quickly the worm can turn huh? Donnie Tindall joining us American paint supplies hotline. You're one stop shop for all your coding needs. That's our poll question today. It's as simple as that. Who do you think when we get back on Monday, who's playing for the Natty? I didn't even bring it up with Pat, but there is a lot at stake in the Michigan, Arizona. I'm not going to bring it up with the Michigan, Arizona game because, well, David picked Arizona. I picked Michigan and Pat in his pool that he does every year. We won him money last year. We both said Florida. We said take Florida, take Florida now. And he traded all of his teams for Florida and he won. This year he did the same thing, but he listened to molten and he picked Arizona. I will say the point that I just made about the first game with the three point shooting in Illinois. When you look at Arizona and Michigan, I mean, Arizona, they take like nine threes a game. They have the three ball and score at a rate in the top 15 in the country. It's amazing to me, David. Yeah, they've won big games this year shooting six threes or less. It's like they're remarkable in today's game. Right. It's like they're playing in the 70s. Yeah. Miller and Molten like that. We still act like we're in the 70s. Thanks for listening.