SC EP:1200 Tumalo Creek Creature

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelled me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet but what I saw was. I was wondering what he was putting. Jesus Christ, you better turn. Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on downstairs? I thought I was just about six foot nine I don't know. Easy to mount, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. This is Cameron from Queensland and you are now listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. A listener writes, what kind of an animal is this? My wife and I live out in Elsi, Oregon. We live in what the south would call a holler. State Forest back up to her yard. Last night, my wife said she heard something sketch when she went out to the porch at 9.20 pm. I went out and started recording a voice memo. This thing yelled for about 45 minutes. It would yell and then we could hear another answer across the mountain side, maybe a couple miles away. But then it stopped answering and the yelling that you hear got closer. The neighbor said cougar but it sounds weird and more of a howl. I guess they've seen a wolf out here but the forest service says it doesn't exist. Either way I don't know what it was but it was weird and all the animals ran away when they heard it and the dogs inside seemed freaked out. My neighbors said all their dogs were weird and on guard today. Let me know your thoughts. Probably just a known animal but I wanted to run it by you just in case. Let's take a listen. Lighting up scared. What if I am scared? No, it's getting closer. I'm going to crack a shot off for something. I don't know who you will be. I think... I wish you got tied. I think I wish you got tied. It's getting closer. That's how it's going to do when I came out. I wish it was a fucking spotlight. It's not as dark as it is. It's getting scarier. And if you want to check out the full email and listen to the audio yourself, it's up on SasquatchCronicles.com. I want to thank the listener for sending that to me. And some people were commenting saying, kaios, I don't think that's a kaio. Tonight we'll be chatting with JD. And JD comes to us from Central Oregon. And about 24 years ago, he had a very unexpected encounter with one of these creatures and I'll kind of let him go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is west at SasquatchCronicles.com and if you get a chance, check out SasquatchCronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome JD to the show. JD, thanks for coming on. Yeah, thanks for having me. And you had this encounter in Central Oregon. We're going back about 24 years ago or so. You were 17 when this happened. If you would, can I take me back to that moment? What were you doing and what happened? Well, this took place in Bend, Oregon. Like you said, I was about 17 years old. During the summertime and my friend and I, we just decided to go out and enjoy nature. In Bend, I mean, you can be out in the middle of nowhere in like 15, 20 minutes. There's just surrounded by nature up there. But we decided that day to go to a place called Sheplin Park. And it's kind of on the northwest side of town. And it's a nice little area where you can hike up along the Tamilok Creek. And back then in those days, you know, it wasn't crowded with tourism. So we went there and we got lucky that we only found, there's one of the car park there, which was surprising. But so yeah, we went to Sheplin Park and just decided to get out and walk around. And it's weird replaying this whole thing in my head because at the time, the event, you know, just feel like everything. I guess you could say like time slowed down, but everything happened so quickly when I realized how long everything took. But so we got out and parked and just started walking toward this area of the creek. And it's not even like there's like a little Aspen field. There's a building there called Aspen Hall. And I know there's a pond there. And people use the building for like getting married or other, you know, public events that they want. The pond there, I know they stock with fish and then during the wintertime back then you could go and ice skate on the pond. So that's kind of an idea of the area where we were in Aspen Hall. They named it that I think because there's also like a little Aspen field mixed in with the pine trees. So we get out and we just kind of go on this little trail through the shrubs and not even like a minute into walking toward the creek. I see a big old pine tree that had basically fell over ice and maybe during the winter or maybe the log was dried. I don't know, but of course back then, you know, big adventures. I wanted to climb up on the tree and try to balance and walk along the tree. And this tree, of course, where it broke off on its stump. It was like resting on its stump. So the tree when it fell over probably like, I don't know if there's probably like three feet of space between it. From the tree in the ground just to give an idea of how far off the ground it was. And you know, I got up there and balanced myself and thought it'd be fine to just walk along the tree try to, you know, keep my balance. And the way this tree had fell, it looked like it had fell into kind of like a big old dark thick patch of pine trees and Aspen's and just over growing shrubs. Kind of all mixed together and it just kind of grew around this fallen tree. And my friend stayed below on the ground. She was just walking alongside of me and not even getting on the tree and walking like for 10 seconds, all the sudden at the end of the tree. I just hear was sounds like. I guess you could say like, you know, leaves and sticks being shrubbed around, but then the noises got a little bit louder like branches were breaking. And I looked toward the end of the tree and all I can see through the screen of like leaves and branches. It's just a black mass and it just kind of started rising and rising. And you know, I'm thinking, okay, this is a bear and you know, being 17, I didn't really have full knowledge of what to do with bears and stuff like that. So I start freaking out thinking like are we supposed to run? I don't have any bear spray. Like, how do we just hope that the bear is not being just I'm thinking we just woke up bear up and this thing's going to be pissed off and you know, possibly charge it us. I did not know anything really about nature and the like it said how to deal with wild banners and central organ. But the problem was this thing kept rising and it didn't stop this black mass. It was huge. She was like the I couldn't see any shape of the mass. It just look like a black blob basically just rising. I'm trying to figure out what I was seeing. But eventually when this thing kept rising and I'm you know, I'm about five foot 11 standing on this tree. I'm already like three three and a half feet off the ground on. So that's like around eight or nine feet at my eye level. And this thing kept me once it got to look like it was maybe up to my chest level. I immediately dawned on me that whatever the thing is, it's not a bear. I of course didn't know what to think because I couldn't see what this thing was. But I'm already terrified. I'm already frozen. My friend below me. She's frozen. But we're just staring at whatever the citizen. And then split second later after the thing. The thing finally did stop rising. But I'd say probably maybe when it was like a foot or two taller than me. And once it stopped, then that's when this creature at the time, which now I prefer to a Sasquatch, but it's stepped it basically stepped out like that's the best way I could describe it. It's almost like if someone standing behind a curtain and you see like an arm and a leg just kind of step out into the, you know, on the main stage. This thing stepped out into full view. But it is basically just the back of it. This creature never never once turned our direction to look at us, make any noise. I almost went and played it back in my head. You know, like when you wake up and you realize you've overslept and you kind of need to get up quickly and just like get going. That's kind of the sense I got with this thing like it overslept and realized from the noise like, you know, oh crap, I need to get out of here. I did not mean to be here this long. So this thing stepped out and I'm in total shock and awe at the same time. More fear I think than, but you know, you feel like the air on the back of your neck rising and you're frozen and trying to figure out what you're seeing and the best way to describe what I saw is literally like the Patterson footage. Now I didn't see the front of this thing. So I don't know if it was female or male and this thing looked bigger than what was in the Patterson footage because I think she ended up figured out that she was only like 70 feet tall. This thing just covered her to her. I can see that I focused on see was the head and the head looked like it was resting on the shoulders. I couldn't really see any type of neck, but I remember the arms being extremely long and of course you can see like the end of the arms these huge hands. I couldn't really see any feet, but I could hear this thing walking off like I described to people that if I ever tell a story like if you take a brick and throw it on like dirt, you kind of hear that. That's kind of what every step sounded like was just a side going off. I mean, you could hear the thing had weight to it and the width of the thing was, I don't even know how to. It felt like it was two of me put together like wide. It was making and we just stared at this thing as it walked just did just like I said, I was on a mission to get back to where it was going. Probably watched this thing walked for about 20 or 30 feet and it kind of just disappeared into the woods and that was like I said, it was a quick encounter, but the whole experience. I guess when I played in my head, things felt like it took an hour long as you just your frozen trying to figure out what you saw. And like I said, this thing covered from head to toe in hair. The funny thing was that the hair, it was kind of a dark brown and the hair was, I would say. It looked like it was kind of long like shaggy, but almost like it was, I guess the best way to say it was almost like it was a clean, clean cut creature like it had bathed recently or something. It didn't look dirty or, you know, I know some people think that sometimes they've described seeing like, you know, the hair all ratted and just covered in this one looked clean like it had just got back from the groomers. It was very, very odd, but trying to figure out what I had seen, you know, I just remember seeing like when it would walk off. You can see the arms swing and the hung down probably go about what I would guess where, where it's knees would be, but with the hair on the back, you can see like the muscles underneath moving, you know, as it walked like when someone you can see like their shoulder muscles moving and stuff like that, which just freaked me out because being 17 years old, being raised Catholic, I was, you know, I've led the believe that stuff like that is just like myth and legends. You know, that stuff's not supposed to exist and it just apparently does exist because I know what I saw and once this thing disappeared, you know, my friend and I just kind of looked at each other like, what the heck was that she's terrified I'm terrified. We just kind of walk back to the car because after seeing this adventure like we're done that was enough for us for that day and when we get back to the car, I remember I just looked at her and I said, I think that was a big foot and she just kind of confused as much as I was and we didn't really talk about it too much after that, but I could tell it was both. I think we didn't talk about it much because we both, I remember we both shared it with our families, which of course did not go very well because it was just, you know, laughing. I'm all asking if I didn't smoking anything that day, like thanks, you know, real supportive, but that's basically like I said, it was a quick encounter, but I run this, that encounter changed my life. It opened up my mind to realizing that there's more to the world than what I had been told and you know I was told that you know these creatures are not real, but I know what I saw off, you know, and this thing, like I said, was huge. I think personally with the pond being stocked with fish and for Shaffland Park, I mean you can disappear and go up to Mellel Creek and that'll lead you up toward like the Dissuute National Forest and like Broken Top Area. I think that this thing must have known that there were fish there or something and came down and had a night, you know, midnight snack or something and then took a nice nap and over slept. That's the best thing I could think of is why this creature was down in that area. How far away from you was this creature and do you think the creature even noticed that you guys were there? I think it was about a tree, you know, from the stump where it broke off and was resting on the stump to the top of the tree was probably like 40 feet. I mean we were pretty close and I think we woke it up. I think that's, it was kind of felt like we woke this thing up because we were you know, we weren't just being quiet, we were chatting, laughing, you know, getting on, like I said, balancing on the log and just being kids, you know, I think when before we were there it was, you know, nice and quiet, peaceful setting, nice, blue overcast day, you know, windy, you know, just and good summer day. But I felt like we woke this thing up is which I'm glad it woke up before I got to the end of the tree. But that's kind of like the feeling I got is that we just kind of woke it up from a snap and just the way it walked off, I felt like it realized it over slept. I don't know why I had that feeling and that's just kind of the feeling that I got. Like I said, I didn't even even turn to look at us, but I know it had to have hurt us because we were pretty loud just with, you know, getting up to the even point where the tree had fallen. So that's kind of what I could gather from the thing. Maybe we didn't like it up. I don't know, maybe I just woke up on its own, but all I know is it was a terrifying experience and it was so quick. But, you know, when I play it in my head, it feels like it was stuck on, like I was stuck on that log watching this thing for like an hour, you know, time kind of slows down. And I know a lot of people kind of describe and that's one thing I definitely understand time just kind of grows. Yeah, I want to come back and ask you about its behavior because I've heard this behavior a million times and it surprises me every time I hear it. But I know you're like 17, you're standing on this log in this thing, like many eyewitnesses report when they stand up, it just keeps going up and up and up. How tall do you think it might have been and was there any other details that stood out to you? I realize it didn't turn around and face you, but was there any details that stood out to you beyond the long arms? I would say this thing was I find a guess because like I said, jump on this fallen tree and the tree was probably had about three feet of space underneath it from, you know, the log to the ground and then me on top of the tree being about five foot 11. I just made this thing is probably around maybe 11 or 12 feet. I mean, it was huge and I remember kept thinking in my head this thing should not be taller than me because I'm so high up off the ground already, but that'd be my guess maybe around 11 or 12 feet. I guess one thing that stood out more than just the arms with the back, the thing the way that it walked when it's arms was moved, I could tell that there was like, I guess you could say muscle mass in the back, you could just see the way that under the skin, I guess you could say, I guess it was. You know, I'm trying to like the air, you just tell that there was anatomy underneath the hair, you know, you could see like the. I don't know how to describe it like the muscles, I guess moving in the back, even though it was covered with hair, if that makes sense. Yeah, I understand what you mean you're kind of seeing the muscle structure underneath the actual hair. Yeah, I remember paying attention just to the back and the arms and then you could see the hands, I mean this thing clearly had hands and it looked like I guess the best way I can compare them to is like orangutan hands on a giant, giant well back of the time I just said giant monkey. That's kind of what it just kind of plays, it's like a chimpanzee head, you know, like a little like not too small of a head, but just a little head sitting on top of these broad shoulders and then these long arms. Yeah, it's terrifying, especially because you guys were as close as you were and I know from talking to you off the air, a lot of times I'll ask people you know what was your idea of big foot prior to your encounter. But I know from talking to you off the air, you didn't really buy into it. No, I had heard of the Loch Ness monster, you know, stuff like that, I've heard the legend of big foot, I had heard of the Patterson film, I had seen the film, I was like, I remember being a kid, I was just like, yeah, cool, you know, it's probably something to costume or something, you know, just well, you know, having a laugh, you know, just I felt it fell into the category of like, you know, Malians and big foot and Loch Ness monster and werewolves, oh my, you know, those things don't real anyway, so entertainment purposes only, you know what I mean, but I was not entertained that day during my encounter, you know, it was like I said, it was mostly fear, but I do remember a small percentage of me did feel completely fascinated by what I was seeing because I realized that clearly what I had been growing up to be. I believe it's not accurate, clearly there is something much more going on and out in these woods than what I was led to believe, I definitely know we have black bears and dental organ and they're rare to see and they don't get that big, even if they do stand up. Yeah, you're right, black bear really don't get that big and if you would have come across to black bear, I think you would have been in for the fight of your life, that's what's weird about this behavior and I've heard time and time again where people stumble on these creatures most of time when they appear to be sleeping and I'll say like 90% of the time or greater, the creature just gets up and walks off. There's really like no reaction and that shocks me, you know, any other animal on the planet, if you stumble upon it and surprise it, you're in for a fight, but that's not really the case with Sasquatch, did that kind of surprise you that it just got up and walked off. Like I said, I thought that we had hissed off whatever it was like at first, like I said, I mentioned I thought it was a bear and it was going to get angry with us, but the fact that this thing walked off and didn't look back at us, especially when I've, I mean, now, you know, being so much older and I've researched a lot more into bigfoot and as you know, with your experience, it changes your life, you know, you start looking into these things and learning more and more about it and hearing other creatures. And it shocks me now that this thing didn't look back or growl or, you know, make any type of like, you know, grunt noise at us or anything. And like that's why I feel like we woke it up and realized that like, you know, I'm way past the time I should be out here and I need to get going. That's just the only feeling and reason I could find that makes sense in my head of why this thing kind of ignored us, you know, I just wanted to get like, I say all it out of there. After you had this encounter, did you guys ever go back or did you ever go back to the location where you saw it? I've been back to Shablin Park many times. Unfortunately, now it's so different, you know, I've been a couple years ago, I'm back to Shablin Park just ago, hiking and looking at the area, but of course now that area. So it's completely changed, you know, they've, you know, demolished a bunch of trees in there. Now there's a bunch of, I don't know if they still have them up year round, but there's now like three Native American TPs that they set up for people that enjoy and they have like summer camps there for kids. And now if you go there during the summertime on a blue day, you'll be lucky to find parking. It's just then is so overgrown, but you know, back in the day, you know, I could, like I said, my friend and I went to Shablin Park and there was only one other car park there. We never saw any other people. Yeah, it was just her and I out there. And after that encounter, I don't think if I recall, I didn't go back out to Shablin Park area for maybe a year or two, because it's a nice, it's a lovely trail to walk up along the terminal tree. You can do a whole entire loop. But I do remember it took me a while to go back, but eventually I did go back and like I said, they changed the area pretty quickly in that, you know, the fallen tree had been gone. And I think it's a lot of time that, you know, more of the trees have been cleared out. There's a much easier path to get to the river. And now these days, I mean, there's subdivision around Shablin Park and it's much more surrounded by like residential neighborhoods, stuff like that. But back then, you could, like I said, take a clear walk and you could keep walking all the way up to Broken Top. And you're not going to, you know, broken top or the three sisters, you're not going to run into any housing and development or anything like that. All the creek all the way out for that way. If you wanted. Yeah, around the time of your encounter, or maybe a few years prior, I lived down in Bend and it has changed a lot. And I remember Shablin Park kind of being out in the middle of nowhere. It's kind of a shame it's grown up so much. But yeah, I used to live out in the shoots River Woods. Oh, really? I know that. My best friends live in DRW. Yeah, they are. Yeah, there's no doubt I'd probably not even recognize it today. Back when I was living in DRW, that's where all the poor people lived. And now it seems like that's where all the rich people live. This second incident that happened to you, it was about four or five years later. Tell me what you were doing and what happened. Well, I'm like a group of friends and I just me and the guys. You know, back in Bend, you could either go out to the bars or go out and have a nice bonfire, which a lot of people, you know, there's a road. Anybody growing up or has grew up in Bend, it's probably heard of China Hat Road. You could go out there and have lots of, you know, bonfires out there and I have no worry about being bothered. Everybody having a good time, but we were, my friends and I, we just love to explore out into the woods and try to find new spots to have. You know, maybe we could have like a different bonfire spot. And when you're heading out of Bend, south toward Sun River, there's a lava buttes that's, you know, before you get to Sun River up on the right side. It's surrounded by a huge, huge lava flow. I mean, it's gigantic and before we got to the lava butte area, my friends and I turned off of a highway 97 and on to a dirt road. And you could tell this road hadn't been traveled too much, but it was there, you know, clearly people had known about it, but just it looked like many people traveled it. So we got curious and just decided to venture on this dirt road and it took us kind of close to lava butte. But eventually it came right up almost to the lava flow and just kind of went along the lava flow. So we just kept driving, seeing where we go and it comes to like this. Get in, it's called the sack, I would say like in the, you know, just a dirt pit. And the dirt pits lined with these nice little, you know, immature pine trees, you know, from little baby pine trees that are just freshly grown to maybe pine trees that are, you know, 15, 20 feet tall. But I mean, a nice little like protective fencing, I guess you could say. So when couldn't get to you because we're also right next to the lava flow, it was like the perfect spot for a bonfire. And once we found that spot, we used that spot quite a few times. And on the other side of this little fencing of pine trees on the edge of this like little cul-de-sac dirt area is a huge man's need of field. I mean, it is huge. I can't just, it goes on forever. And of course, when you're sitting at a bonfire, you know, even if it's like sunset, you can't see the man's need of field. You actually have to like push your way through these little grouping of pines to get on the other side of them to even see the, you know, man's need of field and it seemed like it was kind of almost up on a hill. So man's need of need of field can I dip down a little bit and you could see the lava flow extend off into the distance and just went on. And you can see the mountain range with Mount Bacheloring and stuff like that in the background was a gorgeous perfect spot. And one night my friends and I just decided to go out there and have our typical, you know, session of just drinking some beers and just relaxing around the fire and having a very low laid back night. And I remember, you know, we get out there like sunset, get the fire gone, you know, we've got our hot dogs, you know, ready to roast over the fire and just have a good time. And I'd probably say once it was fully dark, once the stars started to come out, we heard, I think I can describe of his like a very long powel, but kind of a scream mixed involved. And from my first big foot encounter, I of course had done some research and listened to like the Ohio, howl and other howls like that. And in my head, I immediately, you know, almost like PTSD, I almost got a little freaked out thinking like, oh, I know, I know what that is. That's what they call bigfoot that thing, you know, way out there. My friends are all trying to figure out like, you know, what was that? And, you know, I'm thinking of my head, should I even say it? But I just couldn't help myself. I was like, you know, I know what that is. That's what they call bigfoot. That sound way out there, whatever that screaming is. That's a big foot, you know, friends are looking at me like, you know, that's funny. You know, a couple of them knew that I had an encounter and, you know, back in younger years. And of course, they're like, you know, kind of giving me the eye roll thing like, oh, of course you would say that, you know, the, of course, Mr. I've seen bigfoot over here. And I was just like, I swear, that's what that thing, I mean, I was like, tell me what else that would be. You know, is it a wolf? Wolves don't sound like that. And if it is a wolf, that thing sounds like it's the size of a semi truck. You know, that loud, you know, howl going on for like, I don't know, it was like eight to 10 seconds. I mean, this thing just carried out throughout the valley. You could just, whatever it was, you could tell it was big. And, you know, of course, they're being like, you know, it was maybe coyotes, which I knew once they said coyotes, I'm like, okay, now they're just trying to comfort themselves. Because all of us who have gone out on trying to hat road and had our bonfires out there, we all know what coyotes sound like. I mean, we used to call coyotes in for fun, you know, kind of making the house and then, you know, all of a sudden you'd have like a pack of coyotes come around your bonfire and you could see their eyes, you know, glowing from the fire and stuff like that. I guess that was fun for us back then. But we knew what coyotes sounded like. But I guess they were just searching for whatever logical answer that would make them comfortable. So, anyway, after, you know, being laughed at a little bit and them trying to figure it out, we just kind of blew it off. I was just like, and I kind of blew it off as a little bit angry, you know, I'm just like, okay, whatever. I didn't think too much about it because I'm like, oh, well, I know what that was. And I'm fine because it's really far away. So, you had to have been what I assumed was on the other side of the lava flow, which is where on the other side of lava flow, there's the, it's the huge river that runs and, you know, it's a bunch of like bed and falls and big idiot. Big idiot. He out there and just nature out there. But I'm like, like I said, these things on the other side of the lava flow. So, like it's going to come bother us because, you know, my friend growing up in the future woods him and I used to go climb on the lava flow for fun. If you've ever climbed on a lava flow, it's not easy at all. So, like I said in my head, there's no way this thing is near us and it's going to come near us at all because we're protected by the lava flow. So, anyway, we blew it off, you know, just went back to our night, you know, back to making some food, having some beers around the fire, just chatting like guys would just, you know, a very relaxing night. If you grew up or even if you've been in bends and you know the night sky there, especially if you're out of the city a little bit and this is a clear night. There's just so many stars out there. It's perfect. And our night ended up feeling like after that hell, like finally went back to being perfect. You know, you could tell where the Milky Way was. It was it's perfect night. And I'd say this was after like maybe an hour and a half to two hours after we heard this noise, you know, we forgot about it, you know, we're just having a good time. I don't even know how to describe like this, whatever, something behind this wall of little hind trees that we're blocking the view of the man's in need of field. We didn't hear anything approach us, we didn't hear anything. Just guys having a good time. And then out of out of nowhere. I heard like a almost like a growl, roar, scream, all mixed in one, but this whatever made this noise. It was the loudest thing I've ever heard come from what I would call like an organically like an animal. I mean, I assume a creature of the big foot world because I don't know what else it would have been unless it's just a, it sounded like a monster, a monster that was raged, pissed off. And like I said, we're just sitting there and we just get blasted with this growl, scream, roar. And I mean, it was loud. You could hear it, you know, in your head. I remember feeling like almost like this, almost like being stunned, you know, you're like not like shocked, but I felt it in my chest. It almost felt like a guy, it was like a wave of sound or something to the point where my buddy and I, we were sitting next to each other. And of course, we're facing this like wall of mines and then my other three friends are on the other side and their backs are to it. My buddy and I, we fell over in our chairs backwards. I mean, it just like I said, it's done this that much. Just freak this out. And my other three friends, they kind of like lunch forward. And I can't even remember us getting in the car. I just know that within like seconds, we were in that car and my Subaru with the doors locked, you know, eyes as big as, you know, like we had just seen a ghost or something and we're all terrified. But I always played the sound over my head even though I kind of wish I couldn't hear it anymore, but it's just, I always just think of whatever this thing was. Like it had to be like the size of a semi truck. I mean, this thing was whatever made this noise. It was huge. And when I hear like recordings of howls off in the distance being recorded from, you know, other big foot researchers that have been out or just even witnesses that have after trained sounds or screams or I've heard a couple like rals. Like off in the distance, I feel like, well, that's similar to what I heard, but instead of, you know, being one of those witnesses where they hear it off in the distance, I got to hear it from like 15 feet away. And I wish I didn't. Because that was the most terrifying sound I've ever heard in my life. I mean, I've never been that like my first encounter. Yes, terrified, but also slightly amazed. You know, there's a little bit of fascination about the second counter. No, I, I wish it didn't happen. I mean, this thing terrified me. And I could tell my friends were terrified, even though none of them would even mention the word big foot. But, you know, of course me and the car was like, you know, I told, you know, I remember, like I told you guys that I don't know what else that could be. You know, you want to tell me that that's a coyote or just a pissed off wolf. You know, I don't think we had wolves in central organ back then. Or a bear. There's no way unless that bears the size of a semi truck. There's, I mean, never saw anything. Never saw. I remember the car the way it was parked. It was facing right at these little wall of pine trees. And I turned the car on and blessed my bright lights at that. So we can see better. And never saw any eye shine. I mean, we sat in that car for like, I think eight hour and a half or so just trying to debate who was going to get out to trip, you know, to put the fire out. I mean, none of us wanted to get out. Here's a big, you know, a bunch of tough guys and, you know, now we're all feeling like a bunch of little kids who want their parents and don't want to be out there. And I remember we never went back after that spot either. Like that was a beautiful spot. And, you know, we just never went out there. Nobody ever really talked about it after that. I think they didn't want to become, you know, the people that are like, oh, we experienced like a monster or a monster. They're possible big foot screaming at us. You know, they didn't want to fall into that category because they had already seen, you know, their friend here, me who had just encounter. Like five years ago, you know, what people, you know, are you think when you even mentioned that type of encounter. But this thing, like I said, now that I've done more research and I know what's it called like, in for sound or is that the right. Yeah, in for sound. Yeah, that's when I learned about in for sound and they can I learned it like lions can, you know, grow out their prey and it kind of stuns their predator or their prey. And, you know, that's how they can kind of catch them easier. And I almost feel like that's what we felt was the infrasound from this creature. Cause like I said, it, it had this when I play the sound in my head, it had the mix of like the howl from far away that we had heard, but like not far away anymore. Obviously right close up and there was like a scream in there, but there is also a growl and what I would describe as like a roar like a lion would roar. I mean, whatever this likes right. That's why I just say monster. Cause all these sounds mixed into one going off at the same time being way louder than it should be. I mean, I didn't. I don't know anything can even make that lot of a noise, you know, especially an animal. And that's why I always just say it's out of like a monster. It's the best way I could describe it as it was just terrifying. Nothing fascinating about that even to this day. I was like, you know, I could do it the first encounter that was, you know, now I look back and like, oh, I'm really grateful to even have such an encounter. You know, so that it opened my world so much, but that second counter and now I wish I shouldn't have to deal with that one. That changed my view on me and nature. Cause I love nature left going hiking, love cruising the back roads, love doing dispersed camping. But ever since that encounter, my nature experiences have never been the same. I'm always, you know, keep it in my eye over my shoulder, keeping my ears open, you know, just always checking my surroundings, even going on just hikes that I love doing. There's always that like a fighter flight, you know, wondering if I'm going to run in anything that I don't want to hear or see or hear anything that I don't want to hear. Yeah, I've heard that Lions were before Woody and I heard it after our encounter. We were kind of in the area and it was shortly after our encounter and I didn't realize that they could even vocalize like that. But it sounded like a freaking lion roaring and ours was pretty far away. It wasn't close, you know, a mile away. I don't know if it was a mile, but it really wasn't that close to us. But it still shocked me. I remember just the amplitude of the noise and I can't even imagine being as close as you guys were to hear a vocalization like that. Do you think it was the same creature that you guys had heard earlier that night that was farther away howling? I, you know, it was, it had plenty of time to get over those, over the lava flow, I mean, two hours and I assume, you know, now that I, you know, have done more of his search and know that these things have nice long stride and are pretty quick. I've obviously never seen one move fast myself when they see them from the first encounter walkoff, you know, at a nice leisurely pace. It's possible. I know that when we heard the how earlier in the night, you know, I've got my ears open trying to hear if there would be, you know, one responding back or, you know, off in the distance. Maybe it was communicating with another one, but all we heard was that one single how the lesson for, like I said, and I think it was like maybe eight or 10 seconds, maybe a little bit longer than that. But I wonder in my head if that was the same creature because I feel like that first howl and then hearing this monstrous roar that happens like this, maybe an hour and a half, two hours ago, that might have been enough time for it to get to where we were. All I know is that when we heard this noise that whatever this thing was, it clearly was pissed off, angry and did not want us there and it did the job and we never went back. I mean, it got what I wanted, I think. Because like I said, we never, for this day, I've never been back throughout the area. I just, I don't care to I know the area. It's beautiful. It's great, but, you know, I've learned I got the, I got the message loud and clear, you know, get the hell out of here basically. And I'm glad that whatever it was didn't show itself because that would have been even more terrifying. My buddy who fell over in a chair, we both described what to each other that it felt like we got stunned basically. I mean, we were just sitting in our chairs. No reason we should have felt backwards, but we just, it was not just, but I was like a gust of wind coming right now. It's just like standing in the chest and you're falling backwards. And the next thing you know, and in the dirt and trying to get up and run for the cars, fast as you can because you have no idea what the hell is happening. Yeah, just the power and the amplitude of that roar that I've heard. And it sounds like you heard the same thing. I mean, I can see what guys fell over in your chairs. It's, it's terrifying to hear. I don't care how big and bad you are. You'll take the scariest man on the planet and I guarantee he'll be shaking. It wants to hear that, especially as close as this saying was. It's kind of a shame your friends won't, won't talk about it. I mean, I lost touch with a couple of them, but a couple of my other friends, one of my friends, he passed away a couple of years ago. And he, there's a couple of nights where we had talked about it. I just, you know, like, hey, remember that one girl, you know, that one night we heard that one thing and, you know, yeah, I remember. But then the subject would quickly change unless I didn't want to talk about it, which I don't really blame them. I put myself in their shoes. If you know, if you've never had, like, you know, I had my first encounter, you know, saw this crazy creature that's not supposed to exist. Although terrifying, yeah, I was safe. I lived to tell the tale and didn't have to hear anything frightening. And then from, you know, their shoe, you know, their point of view, that's only encounter they've had and all they have is just this monster, growing at them. I don't know if I'd want to really relive that in my head either. I mean, I don't, I don't care for that second encounter. I'd have been just fine with the first one. It makes you wonder why they vocalize that roar because it's so aggressive when you hear it. I mean, you think whatever is in this thing's path, it's going to kill for such an elusive creature. It's a strange vocalization because it gives away exactly where they're at. I don't know if anyone really wants to go check it out, but it gives them away. And I've often wondered why they would vocalize like that. I used to think territorial, you know, it's kind of a territorial vocalization, but I don't know about that anymore. Most wonder if it's they have young in the area. It's kind of what I thought. I'm like now that I play in my head, I'm like, obviously the single one was out of there and it did the job. I mean, it got us far and gone. Maybe on the other side of the lava flow, it could smell our fire from the smoke and it figured out where we were directional wise. I don't know. I mean, it was a pretty good size fire. So, you know, anybody, if they, I know on the other side of the lava flow, if they got up on one little higher mounds, you could probably see the glow from it on the other side of the lava flow. And that's the lava flows. I don't know if you ever explored the lava flows when you live in the future woods, but I find it I used to climb this all the time and there's areas in that lava flow where you can hear like water running underneath. And there's other parts where you'll find like little just single pine trees growing up all nice and big and there'll be like, you know, some little underground covers where you could get down into like a nice little secure. I don't want to say cave because there's a lot of the way back, but it's nice like, you know, rock covering and I could hear water flowing and I know we never really found an area, but I'm sure that there's some areas in that lava flow where you can, you know, access part of the water flowing underneath and you know, you kind of have like a good little source of protection from anything out there because not many things are going to be crawling all over the lava flow because it's not it's not like a. It's a fun experience, but it's not easy, you know, cutting your hands up and all that stuff. That was the only thing I could think of is maybe we stepped on their territory and place they might have called home where they thought nobody really would come around. You know, it was 24 years ago when you saw this creature roughly give or take and over the years, you know, I know you've looked into this and if you had the chance, would you want to see another one. Yes, I so since my first encounter, you know, I have become fascinated with the whole idea of Sasquatch and Bigfoot and you know these days, even though I still, like I said, I remember my first encounter, I can't tell you how excited I was to tell my mom when she got home because I didn't know I didn't know that people's reactions were the opposite. You know, I thought people were going to be fascinated and amazed and want to hear the story over and over again, but no, people that have not had their own experience. It's hard for the kind of look at you like like your little nuts, like, you know, I'm sure it wasn't a bear for you know my girlfriend, less or hard, you know, she's been, she's always supportive when I like to do a little Bigfoot researcher. I'll go up to Mount Hood and you know travel like Lolo Pass Road and go out to a couple other areas I've learned where some other Bigfoot researchers go where it's a supposed hot spot where they call like the Blueberry Bog. You know, I'll go out there and just cruise around and look for prints and you know she's supportive in that, which is nice, but if I talk about the experience I can see it's hard for her not to laugh or if I bring it up to my mom again, you know, she just, she thinks it's funny and you know, if I even meet new people and talk about it, you know, I can tell you guys are going to be careful to yourself, you know. Some people might just think, you know, this person clearly has got a couple of screws loose and that's a bummer about the whole Bigfoot community is because you know on Facebook there's so many Bigfoot groups you can join and I've joined a lot of them, but it sucks when you see people posting, you know, the they're undeniable proof of Bigfoot. Here's the photos to prove it and you're literally looking at a picture of like trees and you know you look all over the image to see where this alleged creatures are saying they caught and they're like well you just got to use your eyes and really looking. And they circle you know on the photo and it's just it's leaves or it's a stump clearly behind the rock you know what I mean where people this they really are good at making it to where the Bigfoot community is almost a joke you know. Yeah, I definitely know what you mean the biggest problem with the Bigfoot community is the Bigfoot community. Yeah, that yeah and the people that think that they well they know you know like you know yes one person are they migratory and they're like oh no no no no they're not I know they're not and other people are like yeah they do migrate I'm like well I think either you really can see you know you know because none of us really know yet we might never know. One thing I didn't mention the email my friend Julie and I were up on Mount Hood I don't know if you ever maybe you're gonna be exploring around Mount Hood on like Lolo Pass road you know that road at all. Yeah, I don't know that road by name I've been up to Mount Hood many times I'm sure I've driven down it yeah it's just a dirt road where you can go on the west side of Mount Hood and you're out in the woods I mean you're going along the what's the one area that's closed I think a protected water area that you think. I think it's the water for the city of Kentman the name of it right now but the whole area is closed off and there's been a lot of over the years Bigfoot sightings or people finding footprints and stuff like that that have been discovered out there and so I've always liked to go cruising the Lolo Pass road you can you know head out of sandy and take a left hand turn around. I want to say like road at Enderland or zigzag and just go get lost out there and there's some of the other back roads that can take you up you know close to Mount Hood and a lot of cool hikes up there too but a Lolo Pass you can just find some other areas you know that are great for bonfires and I remember one night my friend Julie and I went out there and I took her out to you know have a nice fire and took some food by the fire and play some games and I remember that was a very small. That was a very small little encounter which right and really included the email but when we were out there you know we heard what I can only describe as like. Runs going on and she didn't know anything about it and I you know it's fascinated because at that point you know I'm. Kind of keeping my eye open to possibly have another experience you know it's heard a couple grunts that I couldn't really put my hand on what they were I don't know if they were bears that were grunting they seem kind of loud for grunts but I do remember. One grunt was kind of a little too close for comfort and she within like a second was in the car you know and she already was ready to lock the doors and I'm still sitting by the fire like you know don't worry about me. It's leave me behind and when I stood up to go to the car I know that. Probably make off in the distance there's like a little mound like a little but with you know trees all grown over it and for like a split second like I mean like three second I mean it just was very quick. I do remember hearing what sound to me like. I think I could describe as like female monkeys chattering and I was so bummed that she was already in the car because she didn't hear it but I know that whatever that experience for her that day that completely I mean changed. I understand where she comes from because she didn't see anything but she heard noises that she can't describe what they are and. And you know she believes that what she thought she heard might fall into the big foot territory and now she's completely you know. Research is about it and listen to your podcast as well and you know which is kind of cool to see somebody you know who had a little experience and you know now they wonder about it that's what is cool when you you know see someone who yeah they had experience it was a little bit scary but. It opens their mind you know to explore more about the possibilities of what out there you know what are out there even though it's changed how she is now in nature you know she goes camping or something she's kind of on. Alerts which I understand but um that was just a very short encounter and I know that area out there where we were has had experience before I even think I remember listening to one of your podcasts where a guide bought property up. Maybe near Parkdale area and he had his trailer on there and how do you run into several creatures that we're giving him giving him a while to run about I guess you say. Yeah there's definitely a hotbed of activity out there because once you get off the main road I don't think anyone really ever gets off the main road it's just the the way you go to get to the mountain. But it's real country out there and I know many many encounters come out of there after 24 years what do you think says watch is what's kind of your take. It's such a hard question and I knew you're going to ask that too I want to say that. I believe it's flesh blood first off I do believe it is flesh blood now you know like it I believe they can get hurt. I believe they bleed but you know sometimes I get thrown off when I read more into the Native American. Stories about them you know when you know you have. Native American folk that say they've seen these creatures and then they like vanish you know they just appear right in front of them. How do you think that's flesh and blood or when you hear people say they've had encounters where they've literally seen like. Beams of light pick these things up or seen strange lights in the sky and then all of a sudden they're having big foot encounters i'll always believe that this creature is flesh and blood. But you know were they here first were we here first were they but here by something i don't know it's so hard to. Know what this. Creature is I like I said I just think it's flesh and blood creature that we. Clearly we're not supposed to know about too much about I think if we knew about. Where they came from their origin I guess you could say. It would change a lot of how we view ourselves as humans and you know where we came from. And I think it would change a fair amount of history too as well. I think that's one reason why it'll never be public too because I mean if these things were. Discovered and made public you know I mean you know much of the forest would be shut down to for you know protective lands and stuff like that just to screw up a lot of. Stuff you know economically for the forest industry and also how many people go missing every year just without a trace I mean that up and let the Grifford. What's the perfect for no shade national forest on the Washington side the two men that died going looking for big flood you know nobody thought that was a little weird. But I definitely think it's a whole blooded you know like I said blood and skin and hair creature that has some type of feelings but. Will we ever get to know any more than that I don't know you know I've heard too I've definitely learned in the big for community you know. People can gather footprints you know show like the dermal ridges and people can gather hair samples and send them in and you know they can't find the match and people can you know find. The hand prints on the side of their truck you know from sleeping in a truck overnight while hunting or something and to this day you know. I said is say nothing comes of it there's no big I know there's lots of awesome conferences that go on around you know about the creature but mainstream media and science I don't ever see it entering into that and I think it's for a good I think it's you know I think the government or whoever. Has a reason for it. Yeah I think that their flush and blood as well the two guys that you had mentioned that died. Over there and on the Washington side of Columbia River. And I don't want to speak poorly of the dead but. Those guys were foolish the night that they went up there looking for big but we had a major storm come through here. And you know as you're in kind of the gorge there you got the Columbia River and you get hit ten times as hard as you would in like downtown Portland. And I think that it's got lost and it's not hard to get lost in that area I know that area well I used to hunt there and I've actually gotten lost there before. But it's tragic you know you got to plan ahead and be ready for stuff when you go out and you're looking for these creatures and. Keep searching man I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share what happened to you. Yeah appreciate chatting with you it's nice to share my encounter and not see somebody try to smirk and hold that you know hold that laughter back. So I said I'm very hesitant with these days about about a calling new people I've met my encounters. Yeah I get it well thank you again for sharing it here and that's it for tonight everyone remember if you've had an encounter shoot me an email. My email address is west at saskwatchcronacles.com and if you get a chance check out saskwatchcronacles.com you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time everyone. I'm fine. I'm a liar. I'm a liar. I'm a liar. I'm a liar. I'm a liar. I'm a liar. I'm a liar. Still at the speed of sound ready to leave your ground looking like a white star. I'm not having my mind. You've been my friend and I. I'm so afraid of the day. You've been my protege of life. I'm a liar. I'm a liar. I'm a liar. I'm a liar. I'm a liar. I'm a liar. I'm a liar. I'm a liar. I'm a liar. I'm a liar. I'm a liar. 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