Mad Max UNFILTERED AT All-Star Weekend w/ Craig Hodges, Symba, & Jenna Bandy

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Listen to Adventures of Curiosity Cove every Monday from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All-Star LA 2026. First of all, I want to thank the lighthouse. This has been absolutely incredible. The weather cooperated. Give it up for the lighthouse, man. Great location, great layout. The weather's beautiful. Everybody showed up today, man. Thank you, DraftKings, for partnering with us throughout the weekend. Shout out to DraftKings, StockX. We appreciate you guys. Thank you very much. One of our newest partners, Backwoods. Like I said, you couldn't find two of the better partners right there to work with than me and this. Actually, all three of us, to be honest with you. So, shout out to Backwoods. And last but not least, Moneyline. Download the Moneyline app. Visit Moneyline.com to learn more. Moneyline. Make money easy. Fellas, what's going on? Max, you good? Max, you had a little bit of trouble getting here. Max, what happened, Max? It was fucking with you at the airport? Matt, don't start this shit today, man. God damn. Yeah, I had a little trouble getting in here, man. I'm sorry. But you made it. But you're here. I made it. Yeah, I missed the important. I should have been here yesterday, but I missed the important date yesterday. But I'm here today, and we ain't going to do all that. We're going to keep moving. Yeah, that's what we're going to do. Come on. Stack, mixtape is out now. How you feeling? Yeah, one time, one time, one time. What's up, y'all? Thank y'all for being here. Once again, thanks to Lighthouse, man. This shit is dope. Christina, this shit is dope. You did it again. We love you to death. But those flyers that y'all see, drop the project called Super Solid. They got a barcode on there. If y'all don't mind, download the project. Let me know what y'all think. And on the flip side, it's my wife's lip gloss line. I know y'all, it's Valentine's Day, so go ahead and get some lip gloss for your ladies. You dig? Yeah. Happy Valentine's Day out there to everybody. Yeah, to all the ladies. Happy Valentine's Day. I done had about six women come up to me and ask you, you got a Valentine's date for the night, Max? They want to know what's happening with old Max. Max, you got a Valentine's date tonight, Max? Never have. I don't have no date. I don't even know anybody in here but the people that I came in here with. I don't even know anybody in this motherfucker, man. I got to start cussing now. God damn, now I'm tired of this bullshit. I don't know nobody in here. I know a couple of my homies came out here with their wives and stuff. But are you looking to get to know someone? Boy, you better know it. He said you better know it. You better believe it. So, Max, we're really at the one-year anniversary where we connected with you last year. Jack made the call. We're in the Bay. And it's been magic ever since. You've been the missing piece. How's the run been? Crazy. It's crazy as fuck, man. I'm glad to tell you. I mean, thanks to you and My Guy Five and Shalani had a lot to do with it and Dylan. So I appreciate it so much. Y'all brought old motherfucking Mad Max back. That's all you did. But I love it, though, you motherfuckers. Thank you. Hey, that was our intention. That was our intention. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Jack, what made you know that Max, because he was actually talking it up before you came through. What made you know Max would be magic the way he's been with our group? Well, just everything we built, the relationship me and you have has been solid and been built off morals and just no sucker shit. You know what I'm saying? And I knew how Mad Max was. He basically raised me. A lot of people don't know Mad Max seen me at my worst when I was a teenager trying to figure my way out. So to be able to – and they taught us that. Coming in the league, when we came in the league, they was teaching the young fellas, whatever I'm teaching you, make sure you do the same thing. I don't want nothing from you, but just teach somebody that's coming up under you the same thing I'm teaching you. So if we had an opportunity to give a helping hand to somebody who meant to me when we was younger, somebody who I really love and got a relationship with, it was a no-brainer for me. And I knew him because, you know, he's open just like we are. He weighs emotions on his sleeve, and I know it'll be entertaining for a lot of people because he is one of the funniest people on the Zerbe. Mm-hmm. I want to shout out real quick. Appreciate that. OG Craig Hodges in the building. Yes, sir. My God, get up, boy. Three-point shooting champ. One of the first shooters in the world. NBA champ. Also, shout out our brother, J.R. Ryder. NBA champ. Absolutely. My brother. My brother. I think Darren Waller's in the building. Shout out Darren Waller. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Waller. Waller. Also, shout out my brother, Simba. Yes, sir. Hey. Nephew. What'd he do? What'd he do? Top five dead alive. Tell him, man. Top five dead alive. I put my money on him. He going to sit down with us a little bit. Shout out Steezy and the All The Smoke Cannabis brand. We are fully functional now. Shout out Steezy in the building. Yeah, only if you want to smoke good, though. If you don't want to smoke good, don't fuck with us. Yeah, stay away from us. If you don't want to smoke good, stay away from us. If you want to see you and all that, keep shopping where you've been shopping. If you like smoking the little bush that you're smoking, stay away from us. That's not how we get down. Anyway, Max, obviously you told, I think one of the stories that stood out when you told us last year at All Stars was when Hakeem slapped the shit out of you. I'm not bringing up old shit what I'm doing is you've seen Akeem since haven't you? Absolutely and how did that go? I heard he said Maxi Maxi that's my guy Maxi don't talk about that shit no more Maxi stop Maxi he just don't want me to talk about it anymore but nigga you put your goddamn hands on me you know what I mean I still I don't like that but I mean I love Dream Dream hey let me start with this bullshit. Dream, the best, probably, sinner, best sinner I ever played with. But Dream, love you to death. That's water in the bridge. I don't know why Matt brought that bullshit up, but that's what Matt do. Matt gonna keep me in some motherfucking murky water type shit. You could take another one of them right now. Nah, he too fragile. Nah, nah, nah. Not from Dream. Nah, nah. Ain't nobody gonna do that to me, nah. Nigga, I'm gonna be in the, they're gonna have me in one of them orange jumpsuits. You can't take another one of them right now. So he gonna be in that one? One of the orange jumpsuits. Coquins. Yeah. Who? Can't take one of those. No, I'll be in an orange jumpsuit. Downtown. We're going to figure this shit out. Downtown. Ain't nobody going to put their hands on me, nigga. Max, did you ever end up getting your ring back? The story was you never got your 95 championship ring. Did you ever get your ring? You ever been getting it? Well, man, we need to keep talking about that shit, though, Matt. You and Jack, man. Y'all motherfuckers. Y'all, come on, man. Help a motherfucker out. Y'all help me out with the University of Florida. Let's talk about goddamn. You need your championship ring, right? Yeah, goddamn. They owe you, right? Well, they say I got two, but, nigga, I ain't get that second ring, nigga. I mean, that's a God-heavened truth, man. But they said I got two, but I got one. And the city gave us one when we won the first fucking championship in Houston ever in any sport. So they gave us a ring, too. So I guess that's what they're talking about. I got two. but nah, I'm supposed to have three then. They're bullshitting huh? Yeah, let's go Rockets with this bullshitting. And y'all ain't had me out there all fucking year. What the fuck is going on? Speaking of, you brought up the situation about Florida not recognizing your accomplishments on the court and they've since done that. So you're now the all time leading scorer for the University of Florida. Give it up for Max. Yeah, man, that was a blessing, man. I mean, come on, man. We talked about it this time last year. You remember this time last year? And it came full circle, man. I mean, I appreciate it so much. University of Florida, thank you so much. I mean, it's a new regiment over there. They got new guys in the office now, new athletic director, new coach, new president. So they're doing things right. Yes, everything's, yeah, yeah. They understand that numbers don't lie. You know, I mean, I mean, I know I did a lot of shit. I was snorting and I was smoking. So now you now you bringing up bullshit. Well, shit, nigga, that's what I was doing. So that's what they took my records away for because all that shit right there. But I mean, come on, man. I was a mother's fucking little kid. I was a kid. I was about to say, Max, you was out in the streets as a young. You was young doing all that. Well, damn, I was home, nigga. He was home? Nigga, I'm born and raised a mile away from that campus. I was home, so I know where to go get it from. And they know where to bring it to. Nah, they wouldn't bring their ass out in that campus. They weren't coming on that campus. Couldn't get on that campus. Oh, shit. Nah. You know, we always in tune to everything you got going on. And recently, you was on Gilead Wallow's show. You said some stuff about Larry Bird. Is that the truth and the whole truth? What did he say about Larry Bird? Are you his character? And nothing but the truth. What happened? Yeah, he did. He called me and my brother a nigga. Did he? Yeah, Larry Bird. Yeah, he did that. I talked about it. I said this shit a bunch of times. Yeah, that's the first time y'all heard me say that shit. I said that shit a lot of times. Why do you do Max like this? Larry Bird. That motherfucker from French Lick, Indiana. So what the fuck we expect back in them days? See, I'm an old motherfucker. I'm 60. I know everybody thinks this nigga up here, he's 45. They think you're like 40, 45, Max. I'm 60. I was in the league in the 80s. I heard a lot of shit that, you know what I mean? But, you know, I was, you know, it is what it is. And yes, that's the God heaven fucking truth. He called me and Buck Johnson, niggas, get off the floor and hit us with that motherfucker. You know, that shit was long. That shit was long gated. And you think you're going to shoot. You think he's going to shoot it. Then he bring them up and then he. Looking at you. Slimey, dumbass niggas, get off the floor. get our ass up. So, yeah, that part right there. But I'm just saying. That was your last time you seen it? Yeah, I hadn't seen Larry. Larry, I love you, Larry. I mean, I ain't got nothing against Larry. Larry was one of the best. I tell everybody, that's the best motherfucking white boy I ever seen and was on the floor with ever, Larry Bird. Yes. I'm with you on that. Okay. Who else was good at talking shit back then besides Bird? Shit, Michael Jordan, always. Mike was talking, though? All the time? Yeah, Mike doesn't talk, man. Well, I don't know what he did with everybody else, but I know that motherfucker talked to me. So, shit, I know that part right there. Mike talked a lot. It was a lot. I mean, you got, like, but you had some guys like Mitch Richmond. That's my homie, you know, Mitch Richmond. He's a solid killer. He ain't going to say nothing to you. Big dog, that's what we called him back in Florida. Mitch Richmond, shout out to Mitch Richmond. Mitch Richmond, he going to use his body. Them shows over there in Sacramento. Boy, he was strong. Nobody don't talk about him, though. Yeah. He was tough. Rock used to get bucked. Well, that's what I mean. And he played defense. Absolutely. That's what I'm talking about. That's what Florida niggas do. You know I from Florida He from Florida That what we do we lock up on both sides I sorry I sorry Recently, and this is what LeBron James said, playing 82 games in the modern NBA is harder than playing in the 90s due to the significant higher pace, speed, and increased soft tissue injuries. Max, do you agree with that? Well, I love LeBron James so much, man, and I'm out here in L.A. Man, well, I don't agree with that, but I, you know what I mean. LeBron, I'm going to give you a pass, baby. I ain't going to say shit about you because I'm in your city, and I'm quiet. Let's go to Jack. What was the style of play during your era for those that missed it? It was more of a physical half-court game, running sets, playing through the center. Is that how you guys played? It was all of the above. You know, we played fast. We played physical. I mean, and that's what the game was back when we played. So, and, I mean, I – Hold up, Max. I don't know. When you – I kind of – I watch you play a lot. And I wish a shot would go up before Dream touched that ball. Well, I didn't say I was shooting before that one. Okay, okay. No, I said, so I was saying I was shooting before Dream. It was inside out. We're going to go inside. Well, we already knew that. Okay. We had Dream down there, and this every time down the floor. We know we're going to go to Dream. Yeah. Every time. I mean, in the whole goddamn seven-game series we had against New York back in 93, 94. Shit, we went down there to him 99% of the time. As you should. And then, but we had four motherfuckers snipers out there. Yeah, they couldn't double. You know, me, Kenny, Sam, Robert Horry. We had some motherfuckers ready to take your head off. They couldn't double team it. Yeah, you can't do that. So him and Pat was down there battling. But nah, that part right there, you're right. Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter Podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives. And I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius like are misunderstood. A sun and Venus in Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses, in different places, but just an embracing of the is-ness of it all. 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Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years, only two people knew the truth. Until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah. I want to welcome to the show now one of the greatest shooters to ever touch a basketball. Oh, yeah. Let's get up. Mr. Craig Hodges. Let's get up. Let's get up. Let's get up. Let's get up. What's up, beloved? No, I love you. Welcome OG, welcome. Appreciate y'all, man. I see you out there shooting. It's like riding a bike, huh? You don't ever lose it. Yeah, I see you out there. Here with the family, man. And this is a great environment. I want to thank everybody for coming out, supporting the brothers, because it's definitely a necessary link for our people. So once again, I appreciate y'all for inviting me out. And wherever y'all at, y'all know I can show up. Yeah. So obviously we're here at All-Star Weekend. You're someone that won three three-point shootouts. Yes, sir. One time you weren't even on a team. Is that correct? No, the last time that I shot in it, I didn't have a team, but I came in for it. Okay. Yeah. So tell us about what All-Star Weekend means to you and how tough it was and who were some of the guys you competed against in those three-point contests that you won. Well, for me, you know, when we looked like he was talking about Larry Bird, Larry was able to shoot the ball from a set shot. And for me, it was one of those things, after he beat me the first couple times, it was, you know, a jump shooter would never win a three-point contest. but I knew at the time it wasn't a matter of me not winning. It was just a matter of my approach towards it. And when I finally approached it towards looking at it as a game situation, but I didn't have to play any defense. So I went into it with the mindset that I was going into a game as opposed to going to the weekend for a contest. And once I did that, it became a different thing. But you talk about Dale Ellis, Mark Price, Larry. Norm Nixon was in it one time. Byron was in it. You know, so we had, and once again, when we talk about this whole generational play of the game, once again, we're all links in the chain. You know what I'm saying? And for me, to get a chance to have some impact in three-point shooting is a blessing, man. You and Max got any stories running in against each other during your careers? No, I don't even, I don't even, we never, I don't even recall playing against Max, man. And the crazy part is, I think it was what, two All-Star games ago? Maybe back when we I mean, I don't know My last year was 92 Yeah, well What year was your last year, Max? My last year was What year did you finish? 02 02 was your last year Yeah Okay, so no run-ins So obviously No I'd love to play against Max It's my brother right here I'd love to play against Max though Because Max is one of them hard-knows brothers I'd have been just like Mitch Richmond I ain't saying nothing But I'm running you off some picks Yeah But I got to stay close to him, though, because you know he's going to run me off a bunch of motherfucking screens. I mean, you know that. I got to stay close to him. Y'all know there's a court right outside, right? Y'all both look like you in good shape. No, I can't do that. No. Oh, here goes the bullshit, man. Craig need to go out there with the lethal shooter or one of them motherfuckers. I can't shoot this man. Y'all saw what that was doing out there. I can't fucking pray. It's all good, man. It's my brother, right? I love him too much. Good job. I would need him. So, Craig, obviously, you won three championships with the Bulls. Tell me what your favorite part about those championships were. Obviously, MJ, Scotty, the team you guys had, field in that mix. What was the common theme or thread within that team that got you guys over the hump? I think the biggest thing was knowing that the system that we played out of, everybody was going to get touches. And with everybody getting touches, we were going to be a defensively sound team. So even though everyone knew that MJ was the man, within the framework in the locker room, everybody understood that the hierarchy was Bill Cartwright, and everything ran through Bill, just like we talk about. It may look like MJ was, but our initial impact on the post was Bill Cartwright. So we were able to have a perfect storm of players and a perfect system with, you know, with Phil at the head of it, who was able, to me, one of the best managers of people I've been around because he understands what buttons to push. But more than anything else, if you look at the coaching staffs that Phil had, it was over 100 years of coaching experience in the NBA. So rarely was you going to get any talk back from a player to his coaching staff. Yeah. And obviously we talked about this when we sat down with you before we get out of here. Talk to us about obviously playing with MJ, but coaching Kobe. Compare and contrast those two players for everybody. Well, for me, when I looked at, you know, one of the first things when I had a chance to get with the Lakers and coach Kobe, he asked me to have a sit-down with him. And it was like, it was probably about an hour and a half of strictly what was Michael like? How did Michael make people better? And in being around Kobe, I saw Kobe make an extended approach to try to make his teammates around him better. And he understood which buttons to push with each player, where he might slap the shit out of Sasha, but he gonna holler at another brother in a different way. You know what I'm saying? But it became a thing where he got the most out of players. So for me, I think MJ was more about building the legacy, and Kobe was more about building his teammates. And he told me one time, he said, Hodge, if I can get everybody around me playing at their best, not Kobe best, but at their best, ain't nobody going to beat us. Good point. I like that. That's good shit. Well, Craig, thank you for your time. We appreciate you. I appreciate y'all. Blessings on blessings. Peace, peace. Great. Great. Now I want to welcome to show one of my homies, one of my favorite rappers. Mine, too. Someone is doing it his own way, streaming and building a network. He's got an app. He's doing all kinds of shit. Come up here and talk your shit. Welcome to the show, Simba. Nephew, what up, baby? Top five, dead, alive. Top five, dead, alive. Good? My brother. Simba, what's going on, man? Fatherhood, life is good. I see you streaming now. I mean, what's going on with you, bro? Yeah, I finally stopped hiding my girlfriend. Okay, that's important. Yeah. She here? She's there. Everybody make some noise for my girl. There you go. That's right. Hey, but to your point, you weren't doing the wrong. L.A. is a nasty place. It's very nasty. L.A. is a nasty place. It's very nasty. And the minute somebody know who your partner is, they in her DM. They own her. I told my big brother, Game. I love Game to death. I show Game. I say, yes, my girl, you know, we think about getting married. Two days later, he was in her DM. Oh, my Lord. I said, God damn, game. God damn. Oh my God. No way. I said, God damn. Come on, game. That's some bullshit now. I love him though. I love game. That's my big dog. I love that nigga. Tell him, Max. Nah that weird We got to one thing we got to do though Matt we got to find Uncle Max some love Yes Uncle Max Come on baby We gotta get you We might need to start a show. Y'all are streaming tomorrow, right? For the love of Max. For the love of Max. For the love of Max. What the fuck? Make some noise if you watch for the love of Max. For the love of Max. Hey, hey, Max. We need to do that. We gotta go mad love with Max. Mad love with Max. Mad love with Max. That's what we're going to do, baby. I like that. Jack, what that was? Bad love. So you guys got a stream. You guys got a live stream tomorrow, right? I don't know if that's going to work. Bad love with Max. That shit don't even sound right. No, we definitely got a stream tomorrow. Me and Max been trying to figure some things out on the show side. We did a couple test episodes. You know why it hasn't worked yet, though? Because we ain't come holler at y'all. Come on, man. Quick fucking plane. We ain't come holla at y'all. But we wanted to get it right before we came to holla at y'all. I know. That's all. That's all. But, no, man, I got a lot of love for Uncle Vern. A lot of love for you guys. You guys was a pivotal part in people getting to know me, especially you, Matt. A lot of people didn't know me when I first moved out to Los Angeles. And you welcomed me to your home, introduced me to Nipsey's sister, introduced me to a lot of people. when my introduction to LA was meeting you and Stat and coming on to the show and different things. Y'all brought me on to the show before anybody even know me. So I always got a lot of love for you guys. I appreciate that, bro. No doubt. So what are you working on right now? So you're independent on the music side. I know you're doing a lot of streaming. You said you have an app that you're converting. Talk to us about the business side because we've seen LaRusso execute this to perfection. Yeah. And people think, oh, you sold out with going to Roc Nation, but he definitely didn't sell out. But talk to us about what your journey has been about and what you've been trying to do over these last few months where we haven't really gotten no motherfucking music from you. Yeah, yeah. Talk to us. So basically what I was going through the past couple years, I was in a deal that kind of had me tied to Atlantic Records. And Atlantic Records had a regime change to where it was a lot of new people that came in that wasn't the people that brought me in. And I kind of got stuck in trying to get out of that. And while trying to get out of that, I started realizing the world was going in a different place to where radio and television wasn't the only thing amplifying artists no more. It was the algorithm. And if you can curate your own algorithm, you could find who your actual fan is. And for me, when I was on the label, I was showing a version of myself. I wasn't showing who I truly was. Wow. And when I started to stream, I was like, man, I'm gonna let people see me. you know i mean loud obnoxious annoying smart all of it just in one i'm gonna let people see who i am and through that we've um we've developed something called simba os which is an operating system for artists so i started a discord to where a lot of the young artists i meet on stream i put them in a chat together and in this chat we got lawyers we got financial advisors i got wallow i got my boy ish from the joe button podcast i got a lot of people in the chat to where a young kid who just signed his first deal came in the chat the other day and was like yo i just made my first hundred grand off my deal what should i do with it one of the financial advisors in the chat his name is kobe was like you should invest in silver because a lot of electric cars are being powered by silver now so he was like where do i go find it none of us knew that they sell silver at Costco right Costco and Sam Club they sell silver the man went took five thousand dollars and bought a gang gang of fucking silver and 30 days later the shit went up a few dollars so we look at silver a year ago it was about 30 bucks uh a stock now it's like 50 50 dollars a share you know what I mean so it's really a place for young artists to come figure out the game that most of the industry don't really want to tell them so they can capitalize on them. Jack, obviously you're someone that just dropped a mixtape that's out now. Make sure you pick it up. Let's go. You're a former hooper. Let's go. Turned music. Jack is a hooper that also raps. Yeah. Why has there always been such a connection from music and sports, but particularly basketball? Well, for one, where we come from, especially in our area, that was some of the only outlets. Either you could do music or play sports. So a lot of us got caught up in that. And a lot of people we grew up with didn't make it. I was one of the lucky ones. You know what I'm saying? I was one of the lucky ones to make it out the hood and guard, protect me through all the nonsense that we would get into to make it. And I think Simba is the same way. You know what I'm saying? He was one of the lucky ones. You know what I'm saying? To make it to be successful in rap. But they go hand in hand. You know what I'm saying? Every athlete want to rap or love music or listen to music when they're working out to get motivated. And every rapper thinks they can play basketball or play other sports. So we go hand in hand, but that comes from all of us growing up in the same type of struggle. I also think that was a very articulate answer. I'm going to say it in a nigga way. Rappers are failed basketball players. I'm a nigga that didn't make it to the NBA, and I talk too much shit to go work a job. So I had to figure out what was going to be the next thing to make me look cool, and it was fucking rapping. I think a lot of us wanted to be NBA players. If you look at someone like a J. Cole, if you look at someone like a Kendrick, a Drake, all these people love basketball. We all wanted Dave East. We all wanted to play basketball. We just wasn't good enough to go to the fucking league. So we had to figure out what can make us look still like we made it, and it was music. But one thing I like about your shit, nephew, you seen something. Every time. You know, you seen something. You building up, you know, you saying something. So you building up, you building up, you saying something. That's what I like about it. You got to say something because we at a time like Jack is saying something. And he talking about what he I'm listening to Jack. I'm like, God damn, this is my nigga. Look at Jack. Yeah. Now Jack is talking about what he's just struggle, what he went through. So and I get it. But he's saying something that I like that part. Jack always been a phenomenal rapper. I got a lot of respect for Jack as a rapper. It's a lot of hoopers that rap, but Jack and Dame Lillard is like the two best. Shout out Dame Dollar. It's like, nah, these niggas would have made it in rap if they wouldn't have made it in hoop. You know what I mean? So me and Jack definitely going to get in the studio and go crazy. But to touch on what Mack was saying, I think that's why I'm not a fan of so many, but I'm a fan of you because what Mack was saying is substance. You know what I'm saying? We listen to so much music with people giving the wrong information. You know what I'm saying? Demeaning people and people that think that's big now. But it's refreshing for somebody like you that come from the struggle. But not only are you entertaining and giving us real rap, but you're giving game too. You're giving intelligence. You're giving the youngsters hope. All those things in music. That's what hip-hop is. And we kind of got away from that. We're making hip-hop about murdering people and talking about dead people and all the wrong things. So that's why he's saying it's refreshing, bro. that you standing up for that form of hip-hop because that's what we need. Well, see what happened, Jack. These executives figured out how to commercialize our trauma. So they figured out that us killing each other makes more money for them than us sticking together because us sticking together makes more money for us. It don't necessarily make money for them. So they commercialize it. You know what I mean? They go find a rapper that's beefing with somebody, give him a fucking million dollars. What you think he going to do? He gonna go buy more guns for the hood, most drugs, most shit to turn his hood up. But what that does now is allow another label to watch the person he beefing with. So now they go turn him up. Right. And now they're publicly funding a war. These niggas kill each other. They go to court for it. They get sentenced for it. And the record label just says we have nothing to do with it. And they got insurance policies. Insurance policy. And they own a master. So the minute these niggas die, the streams go through the roof and they get all the money and they don't even want to participate in the funeral. They don't want to pay for a casket, an obituary, nothing. And that's something that I've seen through the business, which kind of like killed my love for it because the business made it to where it was like, damn, I don't know if I want to be a rapper no more because rappers get taken advantage of so much. We don't understand the business. We don't take the time to understand what we enter into. So we just jump into it because we got a dream. And sometimes that dream can really put you in a position that you can't get out of. And I said once I got my freedom and my rights, I was like, I'm going to do this shit my way moving forward. And even the artists that I'm looking to sign right now, I'm not signing them to no traditional deals. I'm doing straight 95, 5% splits. Just give me my 5%. I'm going to give everything I got for you. You can have my resources. We're going to put this bag behind you We're going to put you on the stream I'm going to call Joe Budden, I'm going to call Matt I'm going to call everybody to make sure the world know you But I'm not going to rob you Because I know what it looks like when somebody takes your future earnings That's dope Well speaking of that, you're independent now So what's this independent journey been like And what should the fans expect from you coming soon? Man, it's been interesting Because one thing I would say one thing I didn't want to do After getting off the label Was look like I wasn't on the label I feel like a lot of times artists get off the label and it's like the videos get cheap the mixes ain't there the beats don't be hitting the same so I had to make sure like I sat down and built my brand of what I want to do with music and I was like I think the best way to start this is with a stream to let people know how I think which will help people understand my music a lot more because they'll understand my thought process so I started with the stream and it was just me and my girl just building it out and before we know it we start getting artists coming in the stream and then we start getting people like russell simmons and lloyd banks and matt sadler from amazon dan page from tiktok all these different people start coming on the stream we just had club 520 on on wednesday so it's it's been a good thing for me to be able to see this whole thing from a clear vision and not try to fit what everybody want me to be You know what I mean? I'm doing this solely for what I think it should be. Not what everybody think it should be. I love that. So when should we? With that said, when are we going to hear something? This summer? Two weeks. Two weeks. Two weeks. What's it called? March 6th, Table for One. I heard it. Two weeks. March 6th. I just announced it for the first time. March 6th. Here we go. Table for One. Two weeks. Two weeks. My birthday is March 9th, so we got to do something. Oh, we going to hang out. Let's do it. Yeah, we going to hang out. We appreciate you. We love you. Get up for Simba. Appreciate you. Thank you. Top five. Before I get out of here, though, I want to say one thing. Let's make a round of applause for these brothers. Let's make a round of applause for Mad Max because what they provide for our people, what they provide for people like my son, my nephews, is a role model to look up to. A lot of times we just see people in the streets, and that's what we glorify. These brothers have built a platform. I was at the episode with them and Max at All Star Weekend when they brought Max on and to see what this became. And for Max to be able to sit up here and say, y'all brought old Max back. That's what this thing is about. All of us looking out for each other. So shout out to all the smoke. Thanks, bro. Love you, bro. We got one more guest, I think, for Threads, right? Hi, this is Joe Interstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives. And I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius are misunderstood. A sun and Venus in Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses, in different places, but just an embracing of the is-ness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart-side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real life, this episode is a must-listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. 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I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt. It'll cause so much harm at every single level if the British establishment of this is wrong. Listen to Doubt, The Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. This MSS officer has no idea the U.S. government is on to him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question, of his life. And that's a unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years, only two people knew the truth. Until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. J.B. Welcome, welcome, welcome, Jenna to the show. Jenna Bandy, if you guys haven't seen her, she's all over social media doing incredible athletic feats, whether it's throwing a football, hitting a golf ball, basketball, you name it. She does it all. Jenna, how are you? I'm good. I'm having a good time. I just played in a celebrity all-star game last night. How'd that go? Did you get any buzz? It was good. We got the dub. I represented for the girls. So you guys won? Yes, got the dub. But what'd you do? I did okay. You know, everyone's trying to get their highlight. Yes. I didn't do too much, but I was just happy to be there. So we played in a celebrity softball game together during the summertime. Oh, my God. And Jenna had one of the most crazy fucking catches I've ever seen. So it was almost a home run. Jenna caught it but ran through the fence face first. It was great. And still held on to the ball. I thought I was concussed. Incredible. I was out cold. But I got up, I held on to that ball, and that's all that mattered. We shared co-MVP. We got co-MVP. That's my co-MVP right there. I was getting to that. But how is All-Star Weekend? And I mean, obviously being in L.A., again, thank everyone for being here because I know there's a lot of other stuff going on. But how's All-Star been for you back in L.A. where you live at? Yeah, it's been cool just working with brands a lot, you know, being everywhere, really. Like I'm on a time timeline, you know, I'm on low management. I'm like LeBron, right? I got to rest the legs. But it's been everywhere. It's great. Traffic isn't great, but. Is basketball the best sport for creators? Yes. I love the fact that the NBA is so involved and they're leaning into creators. I mean, they just had the Creator Cup three-on-three yesterday. We had a dunk contest at the Intuit Dome last week, which honestly I feel like needs to be incorporated into All-Star Weekend because these dunkers are doing incredible things that the NBA dunkers really aren't. Uh-oh. Yeah, I'm going to talk about it. Uh-oh. That's right. Max, can you still dunk, Max? Hell no, man. I'm smack. I'm 60. Six-oh. 60 years old. But Max, you look like you're 40, though, Max. But I ain't going to try because I'm going to pull a hamstring on something. Something will happen. Tell Achilles. I want to shout out Threads. They just launched a new feature called Deer Algo. Basically, what you can do is create your own algorithm on Threads. Whether you like cooking videos, whatever you may like, you tell the algorithm what you want to see and they spit that out. So my question right now for all three of you guys is Jack, what would your dear algo be for threads? What do you want to see more on your threads? And it can't be dope. No, not that. It's a lot of videos where people be like, oh, you're doing good for people. You shouldn't take that. Just do it and you don't show it off. I think it should be more videos of people giving back, helping people and doing things that don't benefit them. And I want less of seeing hood rats fighting on every show to get $5,000. And whoever, I hate, that's all that's on my algorithm right now is girls fighting. I wish they can erase that off my shit ASAP. Max, what would be on your algorithm? Well, it's easy for me because I don't even get in my DMs. Why not, Max? It's too crazy. Hold on, Max. Hold on, Max. No. Hold on, Max. I don't get in them. For the love of Max, it's coming soon, but you don't get your DMs, Max? Then we're going to do that. Then Max got to get his DMs. But right now, Max don't get it, no DMs. I just learned what DMs was to what Cameron at. Cameron, I just learned about DMs a year ago, so I don't really, I don't do the DMs. But you're getting them. Because if I did, I'd know a lot of niggas say a lot of fuck shit, and a lot of people say a lot of different shit. And so I just try to stay out the way because, you know what I mean, I don't want no problems with nobody. And I don't want nobody having no problems with me. You can say what you want about old Mad Max, old Max, whatever the fuck you want to call me. But I don't give a fuck. How about that? But I ain't going to get no tongue wrestling with your ass over that goddamn Texan back and forth tongue wrestling with your motherfucking ass. I'm not doing that. I'm too old. So, Max, now I understand why there's women DMing in my DMs to get to you because you're not checking your DMs. I probably have had at least 10 women say. Well, damn, Matt, why don't you call Cam and tell Cam, Cam, Cam, these women. Call me. You got my DM number, too, Matt. I didn't know. I just thought you were just too busy with what you had going on. But I didn't know you wasn't in your DMs. No, I ain't got them busy now. I'm single, Matt. I'm sorry, Matt. I'm single. Okay. That's good to know. I'm single, Matt. I'm single. Jenna, what do you want to see on your algorithm? What would your dear Algo to Threads be? What I'd love to see more of is just kind of more female stories. You know, not as much competition, but more collaboration. Okay. And then I would say what I don't want to see more of is, I know it's only been a week from Super Bowl, but I'm tired of seeing all the grass people. We've seen it too many, all the grass people during a halftime performance. I'm over it. I love it. My dear Algo would be, I feel like the world needs a lot more love and empathy and compassion. So I need to see, I want to see more love on social media. I know we're not going to get that shit, but I would like to see more love. Max, in your opinion, what can they do to make All-Star Weekend better? Just don't have the motherfucker. And just have the parties. Because, I mean, everybody's bullshit. ain't nobody doing that game last night that's a let I'm sorry no offense but I'm just saying I'm just saying just don't have the motherfucker let them kids have a week off, week and a half off just don't have it man I mean everybody get to come together we all together I live in Charlotte and shit and everybody from somewhere else too we all get to come together let's just keep the party going and shit. That's it. And cause the game and the game's going to be bullshit. I'm just telling you. All right. Y'all watch the shit tomorrow. You're just being honest, Max. What? You're just being honest. Yes. I'm always going to do that shit. But I mean, no offense though, but I just think they need to tank this shit and let this shit go and just have parties and let people collab together and come with businesses. Okay. come together and do that part shit like that. Yeah. Jenna, what would you do to make All-Star Weekend better? I would say have creators in the dunk contest, like I talked about before. But then other than that, the convention center, I think should be a talent show for all the athletes. Like, show their other, their off-the-court talent. Some hidden skills. You know, whether it's, like, style, maybe they can see. I like that. Maybe, you know, they have a little side hustle that they want to showcase. So you want to see the other side of athletes. Yes. I like that. I'm not mad at that. So we have some trivia right now brought to you by StockX, and the correct answer gets some StockX fresh kicks. First question, and you've got to raise your hand. If not, Max is going to smack the shit out of you. So don't shout the answer out. Who has the most three-point contest wins? It's two guys. Hint, hint. You might have heard from one of them today. Who's got the answer? Two guys have the most wins. Incorrect. Not David Lillard. Larry Bird and? There you go. What size do you wear? What size? We ain't got that small, but these are nine. You might be able to put some socks on and fit them. Give them to your brother. Who was the shortest slam dunk contest winner ever? Those folks ain't never dunked. Bugs ain't got them. Nah, baby. Spud Webb. I think he said it back there in the back. What size you wear, bro? 14. We definitely don't have your size, so you can give this to your work. We're going to put you in the order system. Thank you guys for coming out today. We got about an hour left. Again, Lighthouse, this has been absolutely amazing. Enjoy yourself. Shout out to Nios. It's in the back with the drinks. We got the Disruptors in the corner smoking some trees. But enjoy yourself. DJ, kick it back off. Let's get it. Hi, it's Joe Interesting, host of the Spirit Daughter Podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And today I'm talking with my dear friend, Krista Williams. It can change you in the best way possible. 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