It’s Absolute Chaos

Hello and welcome to Hulu's Tell Me Lies official podcast. I'm your host, Stasi Schroeder. So every week I'll dig into the episodes. I'm gonna spill some behind the scenes stories and I get to chat with the cast and crew of season three of Tell Me Lies. Now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. And I couldn't be more excited to kick things off with none other than Tell Me Lies most toxic on-screen duo Grace Van Patten and Jackson White to talk about Lucy and Steven sorted past and where they're at in season three. Plus my fellow Vanderpump graduate Katie Maloney is here to help me unpack this week's episode. But before all that here is a recap. After listening to the message Steven sent her right before she walks down the aisle, Breedoclairs that she's a terrible person. But back on campus in 2009 everyone's getting back from holiday break. Steven, hell bent on punishing Evan for telling him he's slept with Lucy, makes Evan literally clean up the mess he left in Evan's apartment. Riggly is still recovering from the death of his brother Drew and the fallout and Pippa's emotionally drained from spending the break supporting him. Steven and Lucy are back together and no one seems happy about it. Low key including them. Oliver gives Bre the cold shoulder and Bre spots a new freshman girl leaving his office. The group goes to the first party of the semester and decides to try MDMA. Bre recognizes their drug dealer and obviously Diana thinks the drugs are a bad idea. They get into a fight about it which ends in a confused confession from Pippa. After the party Bre tells Riggly about her affair with Oliver and they talk about their complicated families and then later Riggly lets it slip to Evan that Bre was seeing a married man. Steven who lied about taking the drugs that Lucy is clearly on tries to torture her into telling him about Evan herself. She doesn't take the bait and he ends up telling her he knows about the two of them anyway. She begs Steven to forgive her but he is ice cold and dead sober. And just like that we're back at the wedding. Breed walks down the aisle triumphantly and everyone's face is telling a very different story. So what's happening now is that you guys are pretending like you don't know it shut up. Are you serious? Are you joking? You're ruining it. I'm sorry. I'm ruining it. That is so Steven to ruin it. I'm so seated. Okay. I'm supposed to call it like I see it. Oh my god. Okay. We will we just met two seconds ago. We just we just met and fangirled obviously before the cameras turned on. So the fan grilling was missed. Grace I'm obsessed with you. I am obsessed with you. This is crazy to be speaking to you because you are my biggest inspiration for Lucy. And yeah. Like when you say that I'm just like is this for real for real? Like it's such an honor. Like even though Lucy's such a fucking psychopath. I was a psychopath. I mean it was more of like you and Jack's relationship too because it's like it reminded me so much of me in this sweet boy. Do you ever call him Jacks? No, no. Honestly, I love that name and his sister calls him Jacks. Yeah. But I can't because I remind him. Yeah. It's just I was wondering that like like also like when you guys are out together. Like do you just like stay home more because you're like I don't feel like you know having people come up to me being like what are you doing? Why haven't you dumped him yet? It's honestly whenever people meet us they do. It's not. They freak out and then they realize very quickly that we are not them. Thankfully. Yeah. I kind of I have to overcome it overcompensate a little bit though. I have to go I have to yes you really turn up the nice the nice. Yeah, kind of uncomfortable. That's really interesting. See I don't think that people people would realize that or know that I would never have guessed that that you have to overcompensate. No, I have to be like super nice people. No, no, don't use this. That sounds like I'm an actual so su path. I'm not. I'm going to play would they rather. Jackson, I'm going to go to you first. Would Grace rather choose the movie or veto everyone you pick. Vito, Vito everyone I pick. Not choose not choose. Yeah, I'm a bad decision maker. You are. We could. Yeah, well, we'll scroll through movies and as for as long as a movie would take. Yeah, and we'll sit down there and we'll decide on something and then pretty soon it's 12.30 and then we can't we have to go to bed. Awful. That's you know what I relate because my favorite thing is to just watch the trailers until I'm like oh it's too late now to watch anything. And and then when we do pick. Yeah, I fall asleep immediately. What is that about? That's if you have that too. That means people have that. That must mean we're all fucked up. That's bad comfort. I mean, I just can't commit to something. Yeah, too many options. There are many options. There are many options. There are many options. There are many options. There are many options. There are many options. Yeah. Grace, would you rather lie or be lied to? That's so hard. Probably, probably lie. Yeah, what about you? You would rather lie. I mean, lie too is like so scary. That's the number one. I don't know. Number one. That's my number one fear too. Why do you think I always used to dark passenger so much because I just thought everyone was lying to me. Everyone was cheating on me. Yeah. Everything was a lie. Yeah. Yeah. I feel you Grace. It's scary. It's a scary thought. Jackson. It's been very helpful and growing for me though. Grace is a truth seeker and it forces you to fucking be on the ground and really be thoughtful and communicative. That's really. It's like I'm learning. She's teaching me how to. He's learning not to lie. How to be down like that. You're changing Steven. Change me. Jackson, would you rather lie or be lied to? Same thing. Yeah. Yeah, it sucks to be. You don't want to be lied to. I know. Yeah. What about you? Well, no, it's my worst fear to be lied to. Yeah. So, but I'm actually a shit liar. Yeah, I'm about to give it a shot. I would choose to give it a shot. Yeah. And I know I can't handle being lied to. Same thing. Okay. Grace, would you rather be Lucy and Steven at the end of season one or Lucy and Steven at the end of season two? Both you guys are going to answer this question. What's the end of season one again? I don't know. Season one is when you come down when Steven comes down with Diana coconut broth. And then season two is where together. Yeah, but I'm thinking wedding. Obviously, you're going to be. Yeah. So like my bringing present day in, present day when we're not together. Yeah. We just had sex that morning. Yeah. That was so diabolical. I know. It's so fucking crazy. Like when the fact that Max lasted this long, like, wow, you like strong Max long for eight years. However long. And then this is how it all ends with him. I know. I know. You're like, let me just text Steven to watch us bang. Okay. So I'm just going to ask you guys some stuff. Do you ever accidentally call each other by your character's names? Never. Never. No way. Some time, remember when we in the beginning, when we like, forgot each other's name? No, she said when she was like, really sweetly, she was like, have you ever like, forgotten my name? And he goes, yeah. I was not expecting you to say that. Yes. That's happened maybe four. You know, like in the beginning of a relationship, you go to like, call their name and you're like, who is this? In the beginning of a relationship. You know when you're meeting someone, like, yes, like dating and yeah, yes. But not once we've like entered into a relationship, I can't remember their names once, you know, they become my boyfriend. Yeah. Totally. Same. Jackson. Do you guys think you would have dated in college if you would have met in real life back then? We would have been all of our like young shit would have clashed so hard. Yeah. We're very similar in a lot of ways. We're very like, we would have gotten along really well, but maybe even not dating. We would have been like, we would have been like running running buddies. Like, yeah, we're both really stubborn and probably, you know, one of us more than the other. And we, and we would have been, we would have been. Yeah. So not good. Because there is an alternate reality because he went to USC for not for the whole time, but and I was going to go and I kept deferring. So there is, there, there is a world where we met in college. You guys totally at least would have hooked up. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Yeah. Probably and probably would have been like really close, but not would have, like, we would have taken each other seriously. You know what? Actually, we're, this is, we've been giving the clever answer. This is like the clever, thoughtful, like, fucking whatever. The truth is, I, it'd be over. If I met you at any time, it'd be over. Oh, that's the truth. You're so sweet and you're a little screen. This is how Steven always gets him back. You know, says something like that. No, it's just like, I mean, you know, Jackson, I have something embarrassing to admit. Yeah. I was asked who I thought was the most misunderstood character. And I foolishly, stupidly chose Steven. Yeah. I mean, you really see that in the first season when he goes home to his family. Yeah. I do think he is misunderstood. I'm, I'm going to defend him a little bit. I think he's going through a lot. I don't think, I don't think I was able to see in, into that window, like you're talking about. And you saying that you were thinking there was going to be some kind of conversation about why he is the way he is is exactly what I wanted to try and show. But, hopefully by the first year of this, we've established him, especially by this last year, when he's just kind of avertly. Yes, he's hurt and he is taking his hurt out on people, but he's, he's acting in a very two-dimensional, aggressive way. What do you think he does do when he's by himself? He's cleaning meticulously and he's like, he's on the phone and he's and he's going to bed on time and he's doing like these really interesting structured things. And he's, it's, it's, it's a lot more simple and eerie than you think. And he's reading a lot and he's, he's always on the phone, he's always on the move, he's walking on the treadmill for like an hour and a half while he makes phone calls. And then he just can't sit still. I like this question. What do you think Lucy does when she's by herself? God, like stairs at a wall. I mean, she's, she's depressed a lot of me. You're like, I don't know if she posted. I don't think she has at least yet like any ounce of ambition. And her priorities are so out of whack. Like, especially this season, I think it's just like sitting and, and feeling so much shame and so much guilt and like not doing anything about it. Yeah. And it is like, it really sets it up in the first episode. Like, is, is this going to be different? Like they are being sweet with each other. You understand again, like they do as, as awful as they are to each other. They do have this chemistry and connection, even though it's so toxic. Like, you see why they're drawn to each other. Yeah. And then there's the MDMA scene pretty sure this episode. Yeah. Okay. That's this episode where you Jackson pretend to take MDMA and then Lucy does to, and then you want to get the truth out of her about her in Evan. That was really fun. My favorite thing of this show is getting nose to nose with grace and I, and metaphorically and, and going there. Yeah. It's so fun acting with each other. It's the best. It's the same thing. We do it the same way in a lot of, in a lot of ways. We, we, we go about it the same way. We have the same breath. We have the same like, um, curiosities and, and we're fucking, I don't know, we're doing a very similar thing. I think that's why, uh, that relationship is so interesting to watch. Cause we do things very similarly. This is so romantic. Like part of me feels like I shouldn't be here. It's totally. I don't even mean it that romantic. I was romantic to say. Like it was. Okay. So you guys have a dog? Jackson does, but I'm like, what's your dog's name? It's our, it's our dog. It's Fred. It's Fred. Yeah. Fred. Is he there with you? Yeah. He's, he's not in the, in the hotel with me, but Fred such a little weirdo. He's, he's, he's a freak. I don't, he needs his own fucking segment. He's a freak. What's the freaky thing? Fred does. Freaky Fred. Just like stairs at you into your soul. Look, Satchel. Let's look at you like he knows you for a long time. He's like, he has, he's a human. Like I were convinced that there's a guy in there. How old is Freaky Fred? He's six. Okay. That's a good. Jackson's been saying he's five since I met him. So he's like 12. He's a young man. He's got young man dental dental. When you guys are at home, like, what shows do you binge watch together? Okay. Here we go. Yeah. Here we go. Now he's going to thrive. Okay. See? I'm, I'm awake now. Go for it, Jackson. Um, reality. We watched the real housewives of Salt Lake City and I was floored. Floored by it. Yeah. I'm never, it was housewives. I've never been, I've never done that. So I'm like new to the game. Grace has seen like, oh, Jason, you need to watch a van from rules. Now that you know, Stasi, value, I'm going, you're going to freak out or not. You don't have to go in. I'm going to have to. I'm going to. It's like a right of passage. Yeah. Yeah. I'm ready. I just want, I was 23 at the time. So it's like, I'm not proud of my behavior. Um, so are you guys like, you guys are all work at the bar? Or everyone like the woman who owns the bar is the is the head of it. And then you all cycle in with different jobs in the bar and then start dating each other. I was really working at this restaurant. Yeah. And then a production company came to us and said, we want to do reality show about you guys. Um, whoever wants, as interested stay. And then we interviewed for it. And then it got picked up and we filmed it. So I was really, yes, we were and we were all dating each other because that's what happens when you're like 22, 23 years old working at a restaurant. You date your coworkers. I have a question. Yeah. You being in the relationship with Jack's. Yeah. Yes. You're right. Oh my gosh. He's an ex. Did you watch the show? Did you watch this? This is what I like modeled Lucy and Steven after. So did you watch the show when it came out? Like, did you watch me? No, Vanderpump rules. Um, like, of course I watched. Tell me lies. I know all this stuff. Okay. Did you watch it? Um, yes, we have to watch them back because we have reunions. Oh, yeah, we have the reunions. And we have to be able to answer. So did you like, learn about yourself and that relationship when you watch it back? Oh, yes. I learned about myself through every relationship I had on that reality show. Yeah. Crazy. And so when I watch tell me lies, I think of like my 20 year old self, my 23 year old self, my 25 year old self, even my 27 year old self. And I want to hug her because I'm just like, these men did these things to me. And I feel Lucy. It's like, it's, I don't think you understand Jackson. Can I, can I, can I, can I jump into this? Yeah. And I, I'm, if this is offensive, cut me the fuck out. No, nothing really offense me. I'm like, I'm, I'm, I'm of the belief that like, I think every, every, everything is a two way street, everything. And I firmly believe that people have been through horrible, traumatic relationships and situations. But do you ever go like, like what's, what's, what's going on with me? Yeah, what's going on with me? Of course I did. Of course I did. Because that's probably so crazy. Like watching yourself back being like, Oh, okay. I'd, maybe I want to change that part about myself, but you can't change it too much. Yeah, you're like, but you can't lose the thing that made you sparkle the thing that made me want to watch you. It isn't my, it's so you're like, Oh, I can change maybe in my day to day life. And then on TV, I still have to maintain this like personality that people are. But also people want to see growth. People want to see. Yeah, that's true. People evolve. Like I think it's boring to watch people do the same thing over and over again, you know, totally, totally. That's a, that's a very unique way to grow up. It's part of you. You can look up some, the stuff I did when I was trying to break into this, I'm still doing Jackson had a pompadour. What? Let's bring it. I know it's a pompadour. You can pull, you can pull up. You can, we all, we all will have crazy. Yeah, come on. That's what it is. You're just, yours was televised. That's, that's the part that's crazy. I mean, I, you, do you feel traumatized? You feel like, whoa, whoa, my whole, my whole like childhood was documented. That's weird. No, I just feel like this was like, what, this is what I was destined to do. Yeah, I don't know. And I, and I, and I'm so comfortable being yourself, which is so admirable. Like, that's what I think is so cool is that you're not changing, because cameras aren't in front of you. I totally do. I like, I think I act because I'm comfortable being other people, like more than myself. And I think like seeing you, I was not expecting to meet the person that I, but, which you're not. But like, you're authentic. It's like, you're being authentic. This is, this is what, this is why reality is the best case study for us. If we're trying to fucking be natural, yeah, because our whole, the, the goal, the one goal we want is to push this camera out of the way, pretend like it's not there and blend that line. That's, that's what you're working toward. And you guys do it. You guys are the most natural. And you've fucked the camera. You're so fucked the camera that it's like, it's amazing. So cool. You guys, thank you for coming to our office. I'm in therapy with Steven and Grace. Maybe Steven and Lucy should start their own therapy podcast. This was a dream. You guys therapist me. And I feel just like, what just happened. This was so cool. This was awesome. This was really cool. This was so fun. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Tell Me Lies official podcast. We've decided to stay back with Grace Van Patten one on one to unpack that explosive season opener. Let's do this. Start the band. We're drunk. We're not. Okay. I don't know what time it is. I don't know what time it is either because we're in the studio that like has no windows. We're in like a little, and so I tell my lies house. We are a tell me lies house. It's like a tell me lies nicer dorm. Totally. Yeah. Anyway. Okay. So in this episode, Steven's still mad that Lucy and Evan slept together. Hey, where'd she go this morning? Sorry. Sorry, I didn't want to feel Yeah, I'm not sure. MDMA is the best fit for us. Yeah. I think it's less about the MDMA more about you fucking it. And last year. Yeah. Which, you know, I get it. I don't. He can be mad. But like, he, he don't show that night. He walked down with Diana. Well, you were in the coconut product. You were allowed to go and hook up with whoever the fuck you wanted. Not you personally. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's it's they should just it should have been even. Been should have been like, all right, you did this. You did all that. Instead, you did it. True. Instead, I did. Evan. Evan. Evan. Has he really got you? I've been. Oh, she said it. As it said, she said we're Evan. We're Evan. Yeah. This is awful. Okay. How do you feel about Steven not oaming up to his role? In life. The hook up. No, it's like he played a part in you hooking up with Evan. I mean, it tracks, right? Yeah. He never like takes accountability. He always like finds a way to blame it on someone else. And Lucy, unfortunately, like, is convinced by that. And you see Lucy feel really like shameful about it because she really wants it to work this time. No, girl. And it's so sad. It's so sad to like, just watch him control her. Are you worried about losing me or you scared me? It was wild to see that like, I felt like I had to I wanted to shake your character. Not you. Yeah. We like, it was skated over just the fact that hello, he walked downstairs with Diana and crushed your heart. Yeah. broke your heart. And like Lucy's the one that's sitting there feeling guilty. I'm like, make that fucking make sense. I know, I know. I think it's about like, I think like, if you're in a relationship that is so toxic like that, you like, you choose your battles. I think Lucy is, yes, wants it to work, but is in so much fear about what he's capable of. Yeah. That it's like even if she's not sorry, she's gonna say sorry. Yeah. It's like completely living in fear in this relationship. I think a lot of people could relate to that. Everyone's been in a relationship like that. Yeah. Well, also in this episode, Lucy begs to be forgiven, but that they just want, he just wants to see how it goes. Is he telling the truth for once or is this more manipulation? I mean, I think, I think Lucy believes it, but like, I think what Stephen does so well, which is so scary is like, he's not saying we're good. Like, I want to move on. He's saying his words are so carefully chosen to make Lucy always feel on edge. And that like nothing is ever confirmed, okay. So I think, yeah, I think he knows how to choose his words. It's just more manipulation. Yeah, truly. What was your first thought when you read the scene where Lucy tells Stephen that they have to be nice to each other this time? It's just like, I, it's sad. That she still has hope that this could be a relationship that could be remotely good is really sad, but I also understand I've, it happens so much. Like, whether you know you're in a toxic situation or not, and if you're in that cycle, you do not have clarity. And I think Lucy sees it as her only option right now and is so desperately wanting it to be okay. So she's incomplete denial. Yeah, just like the fact that she has to say, let's try and be nice to each other. It's the bare minimum of a relationship. It's just to be nice to each other. It's so true. It's just wild. It shouldn't have to be a reminder. Yeah. The end of the episode, so a Pippa walks down the aisle followed by Lucy who seems to go through every emotion possible in under 10 seconds. What was going through her head in that moment? At the wedding at the end, right? Walking down the aisle. Well, she's terrified just Stephen. She hasn't seen Stephen yet, and they had had sex that morning. So I think she's like, what is he about to do? Which puts her right back into her college years and her psyche then. And then when she sees him sitting there, I think it's like, I think it was like, when she sees him with Lydia, so it's like, okay, he's still with her. I think it's like relief. Like, okay, he's here. He's not like off creating some evil plan. Yeah. Like he's here, he's in the room. And also, I think relief, because I think Lucy was satisfied that he didn't change for anyone but her. I think she was so upset at the idea that Stephen could have changed for Lydia. And she got confirmation that he has not changed. He's the same exact guy. And probably like, okay, I think it gave her a lot of validation. You're so right. That's a million different feelings in one of the eyes. It's a lot of feelings. Yeah. And finally, without giving anything away, what would you use to describe what we should expect from the rest of the season? It's like, how do you not give stuff away? I know it's so hard, but it's absolute chaos. You see kind of everyone face consequences, which they haven't really faced before. And it's nothing you would expect. I didn't expect it when I read it. So, and I'm in Lucy's brain, unfortunately, a lot. So, you're gonna freak out. People are gonna freak out. Yeah. I can confidently say that all of y'all are gonna freak out, because I watched all the episodes. It's no big deal. I'm just flexing right now, but like, yeah. You're gonna, everyone's gonna freak the fuck out. Yeah. After the break, Katie Maloney and I break down this week's drama. Please, stand, stand, stand, stand, stand, stand, another morning, another reminder there's a gap to be careful of. 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Your faces are so beautiful, and like, you just want to stare at them, and then you guys end up having the same haircut. And she's like a little more... She's a little... I don't say... I don't know if alternative is the right word. It's like, she has your energy a bit. You don't think so? Maybe a little bit of an edge. Is that what you're saying? Maybe that's what it is. Like, a year. Like, when you watch the show, who do you think you are? None of them. Who do you think you're 20-year-old self-wise? You know, maybe like a brief type. Yeah. I'm like not talking about now, because if we're talking now, I'm Diana. Minus the affair with the, you know, with the teacher. Don't give me started on the affair, because it'll trigger me, because Breeze, one of my favorite characters, but the second that she decided to have an affair with a married man, knowing the wife, I was like, I can't... You're making it really hard to stand behind you. Yeah, there are some like, single-wifey models that have happening there. Yeah, the earrings. All of it. Just like the wanting her validation and attention and being like a fan of her in a weird way. Just... Yeah, okay, so I didn't mean that when I said that you're most like Breeze. Sorry. Of course not. Obviously. You were like that. Everything else to me gives Bree. And I think I'm just a blend. I was Lucy. I graduated to Diana. Okay, yeah, no, I can see that. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think, listen, we all have a little bit of a toxic Lucy in us. Even if it's just the temptation to be toxic. Yeah, it's intoxicating. Totally. Well, before we actually start talking about Tommelize, I wanted to do a classic, would you rather? Okay. I feel like we invented would you rather? Don't you feel like that? In a way. I don't know. Before VaynerPumperrolls, we worked at Sur. I feel like we thought we came up, we invented would you rather? Perhaps if no one's claimed it, then we won't. We did. We invented the game, would you rather? You're welcome. You hear it here. Would you rather, this one's tough? Date someone who refuses to watch your favorite show or someone who watches ahead without you. There's no good option here, but I feel like if we're like into the same things, that's a good sign. If we can at least share in conversation about what's happening, you know, so you would rather have someone watch ahead. Not me. No? No. I like my alone time, so I'd rather have someone not watch. I want to watch. I considered that as a good option, but I just feel like I would rather just have that in common with someone than not. It's great. Agreed to disagree. Period. Would you rather date Steven for a year knowing he's trash or have Lucy as your roommate who accidentally steals every guy you like? I'll date Steven, that's fine. I can, he's hot. I don't like no problem. I actually, no problem. Steven, once you date him, he doesn't let you go. Even when you stop dating, he tortures you for the rest of your life kind of, or years and years to come. One year of feeling like a loser because Lucy's stealing all your guys. That would, I feel like the long term effect would be more detrimental than some guy who is toxic. I don't know. That's true, because that would be a year of your life that you just felt worthless. And that would shape how you date for the rest of your life. I feel like I'd learn a lot about myself. I come out of that like the strongest I've ever been. So, so Steven, K-E-Veloni wants to date Steven from Tell Me Lies. Would you rather speak only in Stasi season one soundbites? So like, just the soundbites from season one. Okay. Or only communicate with people using your rage texts from Manor Pumperls. That's it, you would have to text people. You couldn't open your mouth. But if you did open your mouth, it was something I said. No, I would rather communicate with what you said. I don't know, they're bars, man. They were so good. So I will, yeah. I, the rage text, like, I'd actually choose rage text, because you know what, sometimes I just don't feel like talking, you know? Well, I definitely sometimes become very nonverbal, but that's for other reasons. Yeah, we know, and we see it via text. I just think it would be fun. Okay. I'm the devil. Those were my would you rathers. All right, let's talk about Tell Me Lies. Okay. So I think I already asked this, did we go over this, which character do you relate to the most? It's not about a relateability, but I do feel like I've been in like similar, like at least positions or feelings that I find like, breathe in. Honestly, like I do love her a lot on the show. Like Lucy does frustrate me. Yeah, Lucy frustrates everyone. Yeah, and obviously you can love her and be frustrated by her at the same time. Yeah, and I think that's a healthy balance. It's just, I feel like she always, for the most part, has good intentions, but she just fucks things up. Terrible execution. I relate to that. I feel like my intentions with people are often very good, and they're coming from the best place, delivering an execution awful. So maybe that's why Lucy annoys you so much, because you see so much of yourself in her. So therefore, you're probably right now too, Lucy, the most. Okay, fine. Perhaps you're cracked on that, but I aspire to be more like breathe. Yeah, well, she's more level headed outside of the Oliver thing. Okay, I'm not talking about that. Okay, so on this episode, Bri listens to Steven's voicemail at her wedding, and then she goes, I'm a terrible person. Yeah, okay. Like, what is that even mean? I don't know. And I have a feeling it's gonna be the complete opposite of what I think, like based on what I know, I'm like, okay, well, maybe there's that, but is she that self-aware? Is Oliver still in the picture? What is Bri up to? I don't know. Okay. Also in this episode, Steven is still mad about Evan and Lucy. He just won't let that go. Steven's always mad. I know he's always mad, but like that one is just like, so not the hell to die on. You know what I mean? He left with Diana. Well, Lucy was in the coconut broth. She's allowed to go and have sex with whoever she wants, even if it's your friend. Like zero. Well, I mean, you gotta be prepared for the fallout, from that for sure. Those are still choices you're gonna make that are questionable. Yes. But yeah, the thing is Steven was doing whatever he wanted. It was like rules for the not for me kind of thing. And he was also that name Steven. It kind of just pisses you off, right? Yeah, that's a, let's offend Steven's everywhere. Steven? Like it just kind of, like the name, like there is no other name for a guy like that, unless it was like Jason or something. That's Jackson's real name. I know, I know. As it was coming out of my mouth, I realized that we get, Steven is such a like app name for such a terrible person. But yeah, I feel like he's always mad and doesn't think he has to apologize, right? He's never accountable for anything. Yeah, and I always, and I feel like whenever I watch, even when he's not mad about something, when he finds himself not mad, he's like, I'll never see him like freak out. Like, wait a second, this doesn't feel right. I need to like find fucking something to be mad about. He's a self-sabbtedger. One, absolutely, yes. And a life-ruiner, so. Life-ruiner. So Oliver brushes off Bree in the hallway and wishes her a cold, happy new year. That would destroy me, especially because he's so hot. That part of it. But I just like, I just blew up my, I don't know. I just risked the biscuit and this is what I get for it. I've never heard anyone say that before, but I like it. I just risked the biscuit and this is what I get. Yeah, I like it. Thanks. So also, Pippa and Diana fight, but it's really about their complicated feelings, because we know that they end up together at the wedding. But do we think they get together in college? I'm leaning towards yes. I like, when this came up in season two, I was here for it. I was like, I like this. So yeah, I want to say that this is the, you obviously know more than I do, but this is like the beginning of their love story. Yeah. Of course it's toxic, but yes. Isn't it crazy that if this is the beginning of their love story and the beginning again of like Bri and Evan, because we see them get married, that everyone stayed together that long. It gives small time vibes. It does give small time vibes. Could never be me, but what I mean, you did get married young. It's 20, no, first I, I got, I was 30 when I got married. Fanger. Which I still think is young. Yeah. Like anyone out there that's like, don't do it. Or do it if you're in love with a sense, scare people. I'm here to be real. That's why I speak truth into existence. No, I love when people are like, we've been together for since we were 19, and now they're in their 70s, and it's, that's the cutest thing ever. That's the rarest thing ever too. That's the exception, not the rule. Exactly. So I, yes, it is weird, but honestly, that's how it is in so many places that we don't live. And that people do meet in college. I mean, high school and they stay together and they stay through it. I don't know. And then they go together. Look, see, I can be optimistic. That was so sweet. That was cute of you. That was really cute. Do you think Lucy and Steven will be together by spring break? I sure hope not. This is the kind of will they want. They story that I hate. I am here for a will they want. Like, I love that kind of stuff. And I want to root for that. I am rooting against these people so hard. Yeah. But I love mess and I love watching. I love to watch, yeah. But of course, OK, what are your predictions for the rest of the season? That Lucy and Steven will get back together and break up four times, probably. Oh, God, Evan and Bree. I maybe see them getting divorced this season. Who else do we have? You're not a Bree and Evan fan. See, I feel like Evan is like kind of a little, it's like what she, it's this stability that she needs. Like, she wants to be able to depend on someone. And he is not fulfilled. That relationship will never fulfill her. Yeah. I'm not saying that the teacher was a good idea, but I think that type of girl just craves more bigger. I don't know. She needs to get out of that town. Thank you so much for joining me. Oh, God. I'm loving her. That's it for this episode. And thank you so much for listening. And stay tuned for the next episode of Tell Me Lies Official Podcast. And don't forget to share, follow, and subscribe wherever you like to listen all of the things. Bye. 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