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Fire Escape: Escape EP2

31 min
Apr 23, 2026about 1 month ago
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Summary

Episode 2 of Fire Escape follows Amika Mota's journey from a troubled childhood with activist mother Joni Blank, through her career as a midwife, to a car accident that landed her in California State Prison. The episode chronicles her initial isolation and psychological struggle, her discovery of purpose helping other inmates, and her eventual transition to becoming an institutional firefighter at the prison.

Insights
  • Incarceration forces individuals to compartmentalize identity and relationships as a survival mechanism, with isolation triggering severe psychological distress that requires alternative coping strategies
  • Finding purpose and community within constrained environments can facilitate rehabilitation and mental health stability, even when that purpose involves caring for others in similarly difficult circumstances
  • Institutional rules that sever social bonds and communication networks create ethical conflicts for incarcerated individuals seeking redemption, forcing difficult choices between survival and maintaining human connections
  • Career transitions within correctional facilities can serve as psychological escape routes and sources of identity reconstruction for incarcerated individuals facing long sentences
  • Intergenerational patterns of trauma and coping mechanisms (addiction, isolation, purpose-seeking) shape life trajectories across generations, even when parents are pioneering activists
Trends
Correctional facilities using specialized work programs (firefighting) as rehabilitation and mental health intervention toolsNarrative-driven documentary podcasts exploring systemic criminal justice issues through intimate personal storytellingGrowing recognition of incarcerated individuals' capacity for caregiving and community support roles within prison systemsExamination of how solitary confinement and isolation protocols create long-term psychological damage requiring alternative interventionsDocumentary focus on women's experiences in the criminal justice system and gender-specific impacts of incarceration
Topics
Solitary confinement and its psychological effectsPrison rehabilitation programs and institutional firefightingMaternal separation and custody loss in criminal justice systemSubstance abuse relapse and recovery in isolationMidwifery and women's reproductive autonomyIdentity reconstruction after incarcerationIntergenerational trauma and parentingCommunity building within correctional facilitiesCriminal sentencing and car accident liabilityFeminist activism and women's sexuality advocacyMental health support in correctional settingsInstitutional rules and human connectionPurpose-driven work as psychological interventionAdoption and family relationshipsReligious faith and spiritual crisis
Companies
Good Vibrations
Women-run sex shop founded by Joni Blank in 1977, pioneering business focused on women's sexuality and reproductive a...
Down There Press
Publishing company founded by Joni Blank that published feminist sexuality books including 'A Complete Guide to Vibra...
South Coast Recovery
Rehabilitation center near Laguna Beach where Amika checked herself in to get clean before custody hearing
California State Prison
Correctional facility where Amika was incarcerated and participated in institutional firefighting program
People
Amika Mota
Main subject of the Fire Escape series; midwife turned incarcerated firefighter serving time for car accident
Joni Blank
Amika's adoptive mother; pioneering feminist activist and founder of women-focused sexuality business and publishing
Anna Sussman
Host and creator of Fire Escape podcast series documenting Amika Mota's story
Captain Lott
Prison fire station captain who oversaw Amika's transition to institutional firefighter role and enforced program rules
Quotes
"My mom was a fucking visionary dude. My mom was a visionary and a leader. That's who she was."
Amika MotaEarly in episode
"Midwife means with woman. And I wanted to be with women as they gave birth. It was such a beautiful, sacred space."
Amika MotaMid-episode
"I don't remember the moment of impact. I don't remember those things. I do remember approaching the light that I ran."
Amika MotaDescribing accident
"I woke up with this clear... like the words ringing in my ear that I was doing a different type of midwifing there."
Amika MotaPrison realization
"I signed it, but I did not agree to that in my mind."
Amika MotaRegarding severing prison relationships
Full Transcript
Snap Studios. Welcome back to episode 2 of the Fire Escape series, the story of one woman whose world burned down before she learned to fight fire from behind bars. If you haven't yet listened to episode 1, you want to go back and start there. Friends of listeners are advised. Amika Mota had been in California State Prison for less than three months when she was forced into solitary confinement. A guard marched her across the prison yard and down the concrete corridor towards the secured housing unit. She knew that the people in the cells on either side had been there for months or even years. And they screamed a lot. You know, isolated housing like that makes folks mentally ill. Like what it takes to survive in that environment is to kind of disconnect yourself as this identity of a mother. Super high, you know, maximum security. You're in your cell 23 hours a day. There's a like, you know, fold down door on your metal door where your meal is slid through three times a day. What did you do all day? Like stupid things like make, you know, flowers out of your tampons or make things out of the little box lunchboxes we would get. We had mice in the shoe. Some people would make pets of mice. And it's just total isolation. She would not speak to or have physical contact with another human for 45 days. From Wondery and Snap Studios at KQED, I'm Anna Sussman and this is Firescape. The story of a woman whose world burned down and then she learned to fight fire from behind bars. This is Episode 2, Escape. Up until this moment, Amika's life had been both very ordinary and terribly extraordinary. She was born in Santa Rosa, California and when she was a week old, she was adopted by a famous 1970s feminist sex icon. What kind of mom was she? You know, I just, I don't want to do the like good mom, bad mom, sweet mom. My mom was a fucking visionary dude. My mom was like, my mom was, that's who my mom was. My mom was a visionary and a leader. That's who she was. Well, what can I say about my guest except Joni Blank is a legend. I'm told that I'm a pioneer and I guess it's true because Good Vibrations was the first store of its kind in the country. So the year I was born in 77, my mom founded Good Vibrations, which is a women's run sex shop. She was kind of determined to get sexuality out of this like dark, seedy place. Amika's mom, Joni Blank, wrote 12 books for the publishing company she started called Down Their Press, like A Complete Guide to Vibrators and I Am My Lover. She did print a book called Femalia. 32 full color photographs of women's vulvas. I remember during that when that book was coming together, yes, there was pictures of Joni's all over my dining room. Most of my memories are of my mom obsessing on her work and that was all my mom could relate to, right? She had a mission and that was it. My mom was a revolutionary. Like revolutionaries don't make great parents? Oh, fuck yeah. Oh, yes. I'm finally figuring that out. Like maybe that's my problem. Amika's relationship with her mom, Joni, was tough from a young age. Joni had adopted Amika when she was a newborn. By the time she became a teenager, Amika saw Joni as a hippie Berkeley mom who she couldn't really relate to. I mean, I remember being like eight, six years old, eight years old when I first tried to run away and then, you know, like 10, 11 was when I started drinking and using and getting police contact and all that. It was like very, very early. When she was a teenager, Amika was sent to youth diversion programs and she was placed in kind of halfway houses and she ran away from almost all those programs. I mean, I feel like my life has been dominated in many ways by kind of my dance with addiction throughout my whole life since as early as I can remember. It's like I always danced with drugs, always. When she was 16, she ran away pregnant and had a baby boy named Milo. And when Milo was a few weeks old, something happened that would shift Amika from the kind of wild lifestyle she had felt drawn to. Something that would actually keep her completely and totally sober for more than a decade. She heard a friend talking about something called a midwife. Because I heard about somebody that had their baby at home. I was like, oh my God, that's what I want to do. It was just that. It was a comment. I was like, that's what I'm going to be. Do you think there's a connection between your mom's interest and women's control over their bodies and your being drawn to midwifery? Oh, yeah. Like I've always said that I was raised by a mother that was doing women's work since the day I can remember. So Amika, who was never one for a formal education, started to seek out mentors and elders. You know, midwife means with woman. And I wanted to be with women as they gave birth. It was such a beautiful, sacred space. And birth work was just deep work. You know, so a lot of what I wanted to bring to that was the ability for folks to see themselves as who they were as powerful women. She started as an apprentice and became a full-fledged midwife when she was in the early 20s, driving out to women's houses day and night to catch babies. She was on call 24 hours a day for six years. She had two more kids while she was a midwife, Soleil and Blossom. She worked with her own babies on her lap, was an intense lifestyle, and it suited her needs. You know, midwifery gave me a purpose. And it was one of the reasons that I stepped all the way back from using drugs, kind of the life that I'd been living before was because I was committed to focusing on this new love of mine, midwifery. And there was something about that feeling as a midwife and this focused intensity that it required kind of this out-of-body experience. Sounds parallel to being on drugs. Yeah. Absolutely. There's nothing for anybody that's ever, you know, injected cocaine. Your ears ring, things get silent, and there's this bubble. And that is as close to the feeling as I can describe. I actually would say that I used to get that same feeling like was when I injected drugs. I could feel, I could taste my breath. Something changed. And it was just like just a massive adrenaline rush that did something that was like a kind of calming, strange effect. Midwifing was amazing and fulfilling in so many ways for so many years. And then Amika made this huge life-changing decision. I walked away from what I loved. Why did you walk away from what you loved? I was working as a midwife for six or seven years and I had been on call for 24-7. I was exhausted. It was too demanding for a mother with three kids. So she left it. And when she quit her job and moved with her husband and three kids to this remote mountain area in California, that's when things started to unravel. The story continues right after this break. Welcome back to Snap Judgment. My name is Anna Sussman. Today we're listening to our series, Firescape, already in progress. I stepped away and I moved to a different state and was like super, super isolated. I didn't have that work that gave me this type of purpose. You know, this time where I had tried to kind of restart my life as a mama and just be with my children actually got really complicated and I got really tangled up. She did have the three bedroom house with a wrapper on porch. She had this goal to reconnect with her kids and she was able to go to football practice and do the things her kids had asked for all those years, those years when she was called away in the middle of the night as a midwife. But there was a lot of hardship to it. She didn't have midwifing to ground her. Her marriage was falling apart and she had moved to a place where she really didn't know anyone. She relapsed quietly, holding down a job and using when no one else was around. I think the reason that I ended up in a position of like wanting to use again after almost 13 years of being clean, I was away from my community. I was in a really, you know, bad relationship. She said that when the marriage got really ugly, the father of her kids took them away and said she'd never see them again. And then a little while later, on August 18th, less than two months before the crash, he filed for divorce. Amika was caught off guard by all of it. She said she knew things were bad in their marriage, but she didn't know things would escalate so quickly. So I was losing my mind literally. I mean, the drugs were bad enough and then this. And so I literally just like, I was losing my mind. In court, both Amika and the father of her kids accused the other of drug use and ordered the other to drug test. Amika knew her test would come back positive and she could lose custody of her kids. So she decided to go someplace to get clean and get well. And so I packed up the family photos, the books, like journals, things that were, those were what were important to me. She checked herself into a rehab center, South Coast Recovery, not far from Laguna Beach. But a few days later, she checked herself out again in order to eventually make it to a custody hearing back home. She walked from the rehab facility to a rental car agency and rented a black, double cab Chevy with a cap on the back. On the day that would become the day of the accident, she ended up at Huntington Beach off Highway 1. She was running out of gas. And so in the Huntington Beach parking lot, I, oh, I had, I went and swam in the beach. I got tomatoes. Like, I'll never forget this. I got tomatoes and fruits, just whatever. And I was in this parking lot and like surfer guy approaches me and I was like, oh, do you smoke? I was like, yeah, I thought he meant weed. And I went to walk on the beach with him and he actually had a meth pipe. And so I was, I had a meth pipe. Yeah. So I was kind of blown away because I kind of was like, people like surfer guys. I really was like kind of naive to this idea that it was like everywhere the way it is. Oh my, I think you got surprised at me. I totally shocked me because I just thought it was this like world that I lived in of like, you know, whatever. The world, the underworld of drugs, it wasn't like somebody asked you to smoke at the beach and then it's meth instead of weed, right? And so I ended up smoking with him. And then, oh, he filled up my gas tank though. So he was like trying to hit on me, all that, whatever. But he filled up my gas tank. So mission accomplished. I had gas in my car and I was ready now to go. The Lancaster was where I was going to head to because there was this Buddhist monastery there. The whole time I had thought, I just need to rest and eat. That's what I need. I need to be by myself, rest and eat and think and have some quiet and some space. It was now evening and I drive by this Catholic church and I hadn't been to a Catholic church for 17 years. I went to Mass. I pull over and I go to Mass. And it's like an late evening Mass and it's at this church. It's a beautiful church and I just wanted to go, you know, be moved by the Spirit. And so I go into church and I'm having this like very powerful experience and, you know, I don't know what they're called but the incense that they're bringing, like the whole church is full of the smoke and I'm praying and there's tears coming down my eyes. And I just, you know, everything was just very intense and it was intense for like a number of reasons. I think definitely the drugs but I'm also having this like insane moment in my life. And I was really like feeling the Spirit and there's these kind of pews that pop down and you can kneel down and pray, right? So I started on my knees praying. And then when I rose up, it was like the people sitting next to me were like starting to do double takes and like look at me a little too hard. I get up to leave and the priest said, you shouldn't be here. And I was so shocked that I was told that I shouldn't be here. And so I get in my truck and I kick out of church mode and I kick into just rage. I don't even know how to describe my state of mind. I was angry. It was crazy. The whole scene was so crazy. Like leaving Catholic church, like having like on my knees praying in the back and then to this, right? I don't remember the moment of impact. I don't remember those things. I do remember approaching the light that I ran and like seeing the light. I don't remember if I saw it red, but I just, I like was going to burn through it. All of that led to this moment in prison in isolation. It had been more than a year since she'd seen her kids. In isolation, there was a toilet and a colony of mice who ran through the ceiling. She'd be let out to an outdoor cage called the dog run for an hour. Every few days, she'd put her hand through a slot in the door to be cuffed to take into a shower. There were no phone calls. Her food was slid to her through the slot in the door for 45 days. She made a promise to herself to never be sent back to the shoe. So she built a wall around her, a wall between her and everyone she'd loved. When she was returned back to her cell, she opened up her locker and there were the pictures of Milo, Soleil and Blossom. And so I remember taking the pictures down and taking them down and putting them all into this little envelope that I had with all the other pictures that I had. And just sticking it in the back of my locker, like in particular the picture of Blossom and her freckles, that picture, it just, it was just too much. And I know that sounds strange for folks that don't understand, you know, that, like, how incredibly painful it is to see your children every day, but you can't uphold them. You can't touch them. You can't talk to them when you want to. And it just hurts too much sometimes. And I remember, you know, is this idea of what you've done to your children and like all of those things are real and I'm also sitting in a cell with not a damn thing I can do about any of it. More firescape after the break. Stay tuned. Welcome back to Snap Judgment. This is fire escape. The story of a woman whose world burned down and then she learned to fight fire from behind bars. Friends on the outside who she thought would support her stopped writing her back. Her mom, Joni, never waywarded her support. She sent her articles about the accident that she'd print out from the Internet, but said she wouldn't send the comments because they were too hurtful. I was like, actually, can you please send the comments? I really need to see the comments. And it's like this, you start realizing like, what does it really mean to be now labeled as someone that has killed someone? Someone that has like committed this horrific, reckless crime. Did you at that moment not know who you were anymore? Or was it just that other people didn't know who you were anymore? No, I didn't know who I was either. I mean, I think it was at that point, I knew I could never go back to some pieces of my life. Amika didn't really reach out to anyone much during this time, but there was another woman in her cell named Casper. She was pale, and Casper and Amika would sometimes watch TV together or eat together. And Casper was really young. Amika didn't quite realize the significance of that until one night in their cell. Casper had just had a pretty rough day. I think things were hitting her really hard and she just climbed up the bunk and later hit on me and cried. In the top bunk in the dim cell, Amika hugged her and wiped her tears. She needed me to rub her head, she needed me to just love her up like a mama would. Just hold her, just listen to her. And that was just a moment that really... It was strange for me and it was kind of uncomfortable because I always kept this guard up and I didn't connect with many people like that. Amika started waking up at the 5 a.m. count when the flashlight hit her pillow. And one morning she dug her journal out of her locker. I had a dream and it was like... I woke up with this clear... like the words ringing in my ear that I was doing a different type of midwifing there. And so I remember that moment of like, oh, I'm not here for my kids, but I had a purpose on the yard and I was there as a mother and I was there as a sister. And I was there, it just... My purpose was clear. I could be that good person and I could be a good mama and so I took that role. Amika said this is how she survived in prison for a long time. She allowed herself to be a mom, despite the fact that she felt she was no longer entitled to that role. She loved people in prison. She'd spend hours helping folks with their cases in the law library. She'd help younger ones who didn't know they were about to get into a lot of trouble. But after a long time, she was able to get into a lot of trouble. But after about five years, it was all taking a toll on her. Because loving women who are living in this system is hard. Loving women in prison is hard. You know, like five years in when... Yeah, just seeing people you love kind of deteriorate in prison and not just caught up in the rules and the whatever, but like their lives are... They're dying inside, you know? And I didn't want to be there. I didn't want to watch my friends dying. But there was nowhere she could go. You can't just take a break from prison. She had years left to live out on her sentence. There was one option. I remember, you know, definitely seeing the fire crews walk onto the yard. Everybody would stop and stare because it was the fire girls and they look different than us, you know? And colored shirts and they're different. They look different, really like solid. They'd be always like kind of like badasses, you know? They would wear real denim. Dark blue denim shirts and denim pants, boots. I always wondered what it was like on that side, right? Because we knew they live right outside the gate. And so it's kind of this other world that just isn't... It's like, where are they? What are they doing? If she became a firefighter, she wouldn't be on the yard anymore. She would live and work at station five. A little house on the prison grounds with no cells or bars and only a handful of people. So the next time a fire captain from the station came inside the prison to give informational interviews, Amiko went and talked to him. And one of the things he explained to her was that as a firefighter there, she would respond to calls inside the prison, prison fires and fire alarms, and also respond to calls in the surrounding area, like house fires. Structure fires. Car accidents. I didn't know that they went out in the community and that they were actually, you know, responding to legit fires on the outside or car accidents. I didn't know any of that. Just gave me this picture of what it would look like and I wanted it. After she interviewed with the fire captain, she waited every day for three months to hear back from station five. It's called a ducket and they deliver your ducket at mail time. The ducket told her her new job assignment, institutional firefighter. She'd be moving from an eight-person prison cell to the prison firehouse just over the wall. It was scary and exciting and I was kind of freaking out and kind of just like ready to go. They wanted to see if she had what it took. She had to meet with the fire captain again to sign her contract and there was a lot of fine print. Which, can I just read it? Yeah, you have it? I've got it. Yeah, I brought this home with me. Let there be no doubt in your mind, firefighting is a dangerous business. Firefighters suffer one of the highest on-the-job injury and death rates in the world. The fire, explosion, electrocution, entrapment, unruly people, animals, drowning, weapons and booby traps. Every inmate that I bring out here, I sit down in my office and go over the rules and they sign a bunch of paperwork, liability stuff and explain to them what they're getting into, the rules of the firehouse, consequences if they break the rules. Captain Lott was one of the captains from station 5 that explained and enforced the rules. He explained that the prison wasn't responsible if they were injured or killed on the job. He explained the rule that firefighters couldn't be friends with women on the inside. They're not allowed to communicate with them and approach them because we don't want people to think that they're passing notes back and forth or food or contraband that they found out here. Do you remember that being part of the deal? Yeah, I remember that being part of the deal. I knew that we weren't supposed to wave at people or hug people or say hi to folks. If she broke one of the rules, she'd be locked back inside, out of options and maybe even with more time added to her sentence. I didn't want to let go and there was, I didn't feel like I should have to let go. Like, who are you to tell me to let go of my family? Don't tell me that. This is what we have and I have love for these people. When her family inside found out that she was moving to the firehouse, they threw her a party. So I came back to the cell and there was confetti. That takes forever to make in there too. It's like cutting up, whatever. So confetti all over my bed, a little cake with paper candles. They would roll up the magazines and make little candles, looking candles and then wet burritos we had that night. And just so it was, it was excitement and I was being sent off with love and it was also really sad because I knew that there are, you know, some of these folks I wouldn't see again. You know, especially the folks like serving long term sentences or life sentences. Amika had helped one friend inside through chemo. She'd helped others write legal briefs to challenge their cases. The women inside were each other's entire world. She didn't take kindly to the instruction that she walled them off. To be honest with her, I was worried about it because I knew that she helped a lot of the inmates on the inside. So I was like, oh man, I hope she doesn't come out here and just trying to, you know, stir things up. Amika knew she didn't have other choices. So when Captain Lott's office, wearing a polka dot moo moo, she signed the contract. She was agreeing to cut all communication with anyone incarcerated in the prison. And when you agreed to that, were you like, yes, I'm doing this, this is painful, but I'm fully doing it? Or were you like, yeah, okay, sure. No, no, I never, I mean, I signed it, but I did not agree to that in my mind. And pretty soon after arriving at the firehouse, it became clear that it was going to be a problem. They, you know, kept telling me you're not ready to be here. You're not ready and you need to let go. Do I really belong here? Should I be here or should I go back in? Firescape is a production of SNAP Studios and Wondry. The series was created, written and produced by me and assessment. And I want to thank Amika Moda for her help and generosity in sharing her story with us. For SNAP Studios, our senior story editors are Mark Ristich and Nancy Lopez. Marissa Dodge is our director of production. Original music by Renzo Gorio and Doug Stewart. Doug Stewart also created our theme song. Sound design and engineering by Miles Lassie. For Wondry, our senior story editor is Phyllis Fletcher. Our development producer is Eliza Mills. Claire Chambers, Lauren D and Mandy Gorenstein are our senior producers. And Sarah Mathis is our managing producer. Our executive producers for SNAP Studios are Glenn Washington and Mark Ristich. Executive producers for Wondry are Marshall Louie, Morgan Jones, George Lavender and Jen Sargent. On Team SNAP, the union represented producers, artists, editors and engineers are members of the National Association of Broadcast Employees and Technicians. Communication workers of America, AFL, CIO, Local 51. Firescape, the full six-part series, is dropping weekly on the SNAP Judgment feed. You can listen to wherever you get your podcasts and on our website, snapjudgment.org.