264: Scream 7

What do you think? I think we're dead meat. Real dead meat. You're dead meat! Go ahead and laugh. Find the final group of classes at this point. At Dead Meat. Welcome to the Dead Meat podcast. You're horror safe Haven. I'm Chelsea. I'm James. That is Chelsea. Yeah, it sounds like shit this week. We're married and we like to get scared together. Yes. And today we're talking about Scream 7. Yeah, couple things first off. I'm so sorry I wasn't in Florida for scared ice. If you can't tell, I was sick. I've been coughing so much that my voice sounds like this now. Oh my God, you sound so weird. I've got kind of like an Emma Stone thing going on maybe. A little bit. Oh, I hear it. It's a little raspy. I hear it. It's fucked up. So bear with me. Yeah, so I might have to do the majority of the talking on this one, but that's fine because I got fucked. We're doing it. We're talking about Scream 7. Kind of have to. I mean, it's huge. And okay, so we're going to talk about everything. So we're going to start with the behind the scenes stuff, talk a little bit about that because we can't ignore that. Right. And then we are going to talk about the movie as a movie and try to remove that. That's about. Yeah, try to remove the behind the scenes stuff from our assessment of the film and engage with it as a film because it's kind of our job, you know, to do that. And we're going to do our best. So this episode is a fundraiser. We figured that we wanted to cover Scream 7. We are a horror channel. I just figured it'd be really cool and really effective to turn talking into this movie into something proactive. So we're going to be fundraising for our friend Zaina's charity. Once again, we did the same thing for our Stranger Things episode. Zaina is a friend of the channel. She is currently raising money for an organization called Med Global. They provide medical supplies and services to people not only in Gaza, but Sudan, Lebanon, and they also help other indigenous communities around the globe. They're really cool. You can donate to the Kofi, not Kofi, I keep saying, because it's spelled K-O-F-I. I've watched too much W-W-E. That's just how it sounds in my brain. The coffee link in the description or you can go to her Redbubble store. The money all goes to the same place. Her Redbubble has really cool merch that she's designed because she's a huge horror fan. I have this sticker here. It's Chucky wearing a hijab and I'm obsessed with it. I just think he looks so cute. Inshallah, he finds Andy. So take a look at that. I don't think Andy would agree. I have feelings about this movie I want to talk about and I think we could turn this into something nice. Because if you weren't aware and we won't harp too long on this because you're probably already aware, Scream 7 is a lot different than what it was originally going to be. Obviously Scream returned in 2022 with Scream 5 made by our friends Radio Silence. Featuring Us. Featuring Us and the 32nd. Very famously featuring Us. Then they followed up the very next year with Scream 6. Both films highly regarded by critics and fans. I know that there are pockets of the internet looking at you horror subreddit who like to say they're not good or they're trash or overrated or whatever. I will say that they have issues like all Scream sequels do. The first Scream is a perfect movie. But all Scream sequels have their own little issues. Whether that's I think Ghost Billy Loomis is a little weird. Oh sure. Ghost Face Magic. Ghost Face Magic that's always the thing. I think Ghost Billy is a little weird. I will admit now that Chad's stabbing is a little too much. Chad should probably be dead. Chad should probably be dead. So there's like minor things. But overall I think 5 was a really nice return to the series. I actually really loved the Ghost Face motivation. The toxic fandom. I thought that was very on brand and engaged with what horror was at the time and what fandom in general was. It's so in line with what Scream is and what Scream is at its best which is a state of the union kind of thing. State of the horror union. And then 6 also had its theme of like where franchises are and the lore of franchises while doing something really cool. Moving it to a big city in New York upping the action. So I think that both of those movies I really enjoyed. Again very high ratings from not just critics but also audiences. However Paramount or Spyglass one of the two wanted Scream 7 to happen right away. Radio Silence said we want to make our own thing which ended up being Abigail. So could we do that first and they were like no I guess we'll get another director. So that was Radio Silence's exit. They were the first ones out of that project and it was before anything else happened. God I how much do you think they're like fog man. I'm glad we went and made Abigail because after they left things were going to proceed more or less as usual with Christopher Landon attached to Direct. And it was going to continue the story of the Core 4 which you know those characters have been introduced in 5, continued in 6. That was Melissa Barrera, Jenna Ortega, our friend Mason Gooding and Jasmine Savoy Brown. Cool great love those characters. Core 4. Core 4. Core 4 up top. Love Core 4. Love the Core 4. And then shit happened. Melissa Barrera spoke out about Israel and Palestine criticizing Israel's actions in Palestine. Very bravely I might add because this was right after October 7th and it's a thing where what's the quote. Someday we'll all look back on this and all decide it was wrong kind of thing. And I feel like she was someone where it now I feel like it's a little bit more okay for celebrities to be vocal when she was speaking up. It was not. Yeah, because it was a couple years ago. And there were real consequences. It is definitely more normalized now. It is. For people to say pretty much what she said. You know, I know that there was dispute about how she said things and things that could have been interpreted as perhaps being more generically anti-Semitic. I don't believe like from what I know of Melissa. I think it's a bad faith interpretation. Yeah, but of course you can have your own opinion, whatever in any case. I don't think if she said what she said today, she would have gotten fired because again, it is much more normalized. But she was out there on the forefront saying that stuff. I agree. It was brave. She got fired by Gary Barber, CEO of spyglass executive producer on this movie as you know, you would be CEO of the production company. Then after that, Jen Ortega was like, Hey, you know what? I can't really do this movie and recently has said it was because of the Melissa thing confirmed when it first happened. Maybe, and this is just me hypothesizing no inside information or anything. I imagine maybe someone was like, Hey, just say it was a scheduling thing. I think that's exactly what you don't get in trouble so that you also don't get blowback for. Yeah, like maybe reps or whatever. Because I think if you're in the know in the industry, you're probably getting wind of like some blacklists and yeah. So, you know, I think she left. She made it easy enough for people to kind of read between the lines. Especially because let's keep in mind too, because I know people have feelings about actors who stayed signed on actors who weren't in the newer ones, but have reappeared in this newer one. Like Jenna Ortega specifically, it was such a cool choice for her to walk because she has such insane star power right now. And she had the power. I mean, that yeah, that's what I mean. She is in like so much shit right now. She's got Wednesday. She's got like so many of these like A list kind of things going on that she could very easily be like fine. You don't get to have me then. And for for scream to lose her specifically is a very big deal. So I think her specifically walking was really cool. And it's different, I think, than another actor maybe deciding to walk. Definitely. Then Christopher Landon. I don't know how much of it was in support of their actions. Part of it was harassing him for them getting fired. And I'm not surprised because fans were I also seen comments being like your boys radio silence fired Melissa when again they had exited before all this happened. So, you know, try to get your facts. Before I know Christopher Landon was receiving death threats and about a second. About his family and stuff. So he left the project. Yes. And so it just seemed like in such turmoil. And that's when Paramount started going the nostalgia route. They paid. Neve Campbell got $7 million for her role in this after her after she didn't get what she asked for in Scream six and thus her absence in that film. So they ponied up the money probably with the money that they would have paid Jenna and Melissa and got Neve to agree to come back. And then I think she was first and then maybe through her. I don't know the order, but they got Kevin Williamson who wrote Screams one, two and four and produced a lot of them or was, you know, at least an EP on them got him to come back as a director. Now, Kevin Williamson is not really a director. He's directed one film in the past teaching Mrs. Tingle. Yes. I think it was originally killing Mrs. Tingle, then they had to change it, but I've never seen that movie, so I can't speak to its merits, but it was the only movie that he had directed in the past. So to have him come back as a director was certainly a choice. I think he does fine. It's not. I'm not sitting there watching like, oh, this is shitily directed. I do. I prefer Radio Silence's style. But, you know, it's fine. But then they start announcing all these Matthew Lillard chiefly as Matthew Lillard is returning for Scream 7. And so is David Arquette and so is Scott Foley and all these guys. Foley was the funniest one. That's definitely the funniest. Scott Foley is the funniest. And it's all these characters. We're all begging for Roman Bridger to come back. Yeah. Roman Bridger director. All these characters who had died in previous entries. And so people start wondering, like, is this going to be, what is this? Deep Fakes? AI? Is it going to be like a West Cravens' new nightmare meta thing where it's like the actors playing themselves? People didn't know for a while. It ended up being what I said it would be and what most people assumed it would be like a AI type thing. We'll get into it. But that's kind of where it is. Little side things that happened leading up to the film were what they did. They did the prediction betting. Oh, they partnered with. Was it Kelsey? Kelsey, yeah. So the movie partnered with Kelsey, which is a. Prediction market. Yes. It's not gambling. It's not gambling. It is. It's kind of like a loophole so that it's technically not gambling. Yeah. I think people, there was some confusion because there was the ad where it had the odds of like, okay, who's going to survive? And I think people thought that you could actually bet on character. You couldn't. That was like. Oh, okay. Then I was confused. No, but still it's the partnering with. Yeah. Yeah. It's prediction. It's still just the concept of partner like prediction markets suck. They are, I think so like they're one of the things that make me currently feel we are living in such a fucking dystopia. Like right now there's a, there's bets on like Kelsey and Polymarket and shit about like nuclear war happening. And I'm just like, and you have people who like have insider information on shit. Like, I don't know. It just, it freaks me out. Don't worry. They're getting that Mr. Beast editor who made $4,000 predicting something that would happen in a Mr. Beast video. They're getting that. They're going after him. They're prosecuting one of them. Priorities. I think it's just the optics of partnering with a gambling outlet or gambling app. But no, you couldn't actually bet on the movie. That was just a gimmick for the ad. And there was something else that they did to that. I can't remember. They were, they did a thing where you could, they partnered with, I forget which AI company where you could mock up yourself getting murdered by Ghostface. That's right. Okay. So it was just like this string of sponsorships that nobody fucking liked. And it's also Paramount who are like the bad guys nowadays. And it's Paramount. It's ByGlass and Paramount who are all fucking eating. It's just like, cool. No one likes any of this. So that was everything leading up to this film's release. And if you'll notice, we didn't do any promo for Scream 7. No. We were contacted many times to do promo and do, you know, interviews and all that stuff. We just said, thanks. No thanks. Hope to catch you on the next one. We didn't want to promote the film before it came out. All right. We just kind of wanted to let, let it be its own thing, you know, and then it came out huge box office. Yeah. Enormous box office opening. I want to, I want to go on a little tangent here because there was some, there was some rejoicing that I saw online that was kind of like, huh, you stupid boycotters. Oh, I hated this. You thought you could affect things like how's your boycott going now? Just some absolutely rotten kind of glee. Yeah. At this boycott not working. And it's like, really think about what you're, what you're so happy about here. Because I'm not going to judge anyone who saw the movie. All right. It's just frustrating to me because while I will agree that there are people who are on like the boycott side who took things way too far. The Christopher Landon thing is an example. You're harassing. Like if you're being shitty to people because they saw Scream, I don't agree with that. I think you should be able to see this movie without harassment, etc. Yes. But I think the people who were trying to do the boycott or who didn't want to engage with it were, you know, think about the position from what they were doing it from. They were upset that Melissa Barrera was fired for speaking out against. A genocide. Yeah. I think those people and me, even though, you know, we're covering it now, just wanted maybe one time to see consequences for an action. Yes. Because right now that's missing so much. Yes. You know, you got, you got like Brett Ratner making movies and Max Landis just got to make the Epstein files. There are no consequences for anything. There's just no consequences right now. And it feels like you're just celebrating yet another lack of consequences. Yeah. And so I just think that's kind of shitty. It is. It's disgusting. Like the attitude I've seen online from people within horror that like I've otherwise, you know, mostly respected their takes has been really eye-opening and really upsetting. And I think it's fine if you want to celebrate the success of a horror movie at the box office. I feel weird not only because of the all the behind the scenes stuff. Also, I don't think this is a very good screen movie. We'll get into it. I promise we will get to the movie. But so I'm like, this is not the movie that I want to set box office records. But there, no, you're right. There's a difference. Yeah. You can be happy that like horrors doing well that screams doing well at the box office. But the like idiot boycotters that sucks. Yeah. That sucks. I mean, it's not the box office. I mean, it's scream. Scream super popular screen means a lot to people. I think, uh, never returning return. She was in five, but like this is the most Sydney since the first movie, maybe the second. But I believe it is the most screen time that Sydney has since the original screen and people love Sydney. Sydney is my favorite final girl. I fucking love her. I don't think screen needs to still be following Sydney Prescott, but she does great in this movie. And I think a lot of people were drawn to that. I don't know how much Kevin Williamson was a draw because people don't tend to know writer Matthew Matthew. I think Matthew is a big draw. Huge Matthew Lillard is beloved in the horror community for and a little bit outside that thinks the Scooby-Doo, the horror adjacent community, if you will, but from scream to just Scooby-Doo to five nights of freddies. He is so especially right now so prominent and beloved that I think the promise of his return and a lot of people who have won the game. People who have wanted Stumacher to return. That was a huge draw for people. And I think five and six built up a lot of good will. That was what I was going to say is the compounding interest of how well received five and six were. You can't discount that. Yeah, because again, anyone who's saying like, oh, this movie's great, which is fine for you to have that opinion. Like look at the audience rating. Like the audience rating for five and six is still higher than this one. And if you just want to look at audience ratings, if you look at critic ratings, big discrepancy there. But, you know, I think five and six was like screams back. It's good. We've got a lot going on with it. And I think that bought a lot of good will also. And I didn't realize this until recently. This is the first screen movie to have been on IMAX. So it got an IMAX. That makes a big difference. That adds to your ticket revenue. And I don't know how much I don't have a breakdown of the percentages, but that will boost your revenue. They lose their IMAX screens in the upcoming second weekend. We're recording this on the Thursday before the second weekend. So I don't know how it's going to what the drop is going to be on the second weekend. Probably pretty substantial, but that happens for most slashers and horror movies. So I think that's all on that. It's done very well. A lot of fans like it. I was just at a convention at Scaradize and, you know, every time someone would bring it up, they'd ask me how and I would be like, Well, how'd you think of it? And they loved it. Most would say I loved it until the end, which agreed. Horrible ending. It's a bad third. It's a real bad third. It's rough. I had seen it once when I was talking to people and I said that I hated it. We saw it again because you got to see a screening of it. Yes, I got to see a screening of it just at Scaradize with like people and I really didn't like it. And it was also at the end of the day after a convention. So I was tired. We just saw it again earlier today. I liked it more. And again, I was trying to watch it neutrally. I do think there was more that I liked than I had remembered. It gets real bad in the last act, but I think there is a lot of things that I can enjoy throughout it, but it's not a good scream. I feel like it's a decent slasher with a dumb ending. But as far as what makes screams stand out among slasher, that's really missing from this because like we were talking about earlier, that state of the union on the horror genre or the meta aspect or even like referencing other horror properties is really missing in this. And the reveal is bad. Like obviously screams about horror movies scream two about sequels three about trilogies four was about reboots remakes five was about the requel, you know, where it's been long dormant coming back with like the legacy characters and six, as I said, was about like franchises. And the lore behind franchises seven doesn't really have anything that it's about. And it could maybe be about nostalgia, but because they talk about it a bit, but they lean too much into it to be any kind of commentary on it. It's just it is nostalgia. And I think overall this feels like a movie that scream would have parodied or that scream would have talked about in earlier installments. It has become what it used to discuss in a bad way in a generic way. And it's it's it's upsetting to me just because I love scream, but I am glad that I saw it a second time because I don't hate it as much. I still think it's by far the worst scream and I will no longer say there's not a bad scream because it's not. That's rough. Yeah. What about you? How do you feel? I mean, yeah, it's my least favorite scream. Yeah. Although I don't love for either. Oh, hot take. I think I said that in our episode where we talked about every screen movie and I got some flack for that. Yeah. I'm not a big fan of four. I did the four panelists. I know. I know. Maybe it's a good thing I wasn't there. I was supposed to do that with you. Although I do love Kirby. Oh, yeah. And Hayden was. I'm so jealous. So jealous. Yeah. She's great. I'm glad to hear she was nice. Yeah. Hayden Pan. She's the cheerleader from Heroes. I would have. I would have fangirled so bad. Heroes meant a lot to me. Yeah. I don't know. It's very hard to separate these circumstances surrounding the film from the film itself. Like it's really hard. Well, they even do a little bit of tongue in cheek references to it. Yeah. A few too many times. When this movie does not shut the fuck up about New York. I don't even know how many times they're like, Sydney, I wish you were in New York. Yeah. I wish I were you in New York. Which is crazy because in the sixth one, you pointed this out on the car ride home, you were like the whole sixth movie. They're like, whenever Sydney comes up, they're like, look, we're not going to call Sydney. We're not going to involve her in this. Let her have her happy ending. Yeah. She's been there enough. Shit. Yeah. It's Gail who says that. She's like, Sydney's with Mark. They're good. Gail in this movie is like a weird. Who is Gail? Like what did they do with Gail? Who is this? Gail's career trajectory is fucking insane. Yes. She was like a reporter and then wrote a book that got made into a movie, but then like kind of became domesticated and got jealous of Sydney writing a book. Yeah. And then got a morning show. She was a morning show host. But then got fired from that and is now reporting again. What was she doing in six? Was she still doing the morning show? I forget what she was doing. Because I know Dewi's watching her in five in his little trailer. She's doing something like, because she's got a nice ass apartment in New York. She's got to be. I was about to say what happened to that guy she was dating? He died. He's dead. He got killed. Yeah. Her career trajectory is wild. It's very weird. And she also just like disappears from the final act. Again, like who is this and what have they done with Gail? Because I don't know who this is. Yeah. I guess we can get into it. Let's just get into it. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Let's get into it. It's time to talk Scream 7. I'm excited to do this. I'm like, okay, there are actually some sequences I really enjoy that are like pretty well made. Yeah. And once again, if you are mad after listening to us recap all the circumstances surrounding this movie, please go to the description to donate to the fundraiser that we mentioned at the beginning of the episode. So we start with a car driving up and on the radio is a couple of podcasters talking about, did you hear what they were saying? They were talking about stew being. They said that a person who looked like stew was spotted at Windsor College in 1997. That is a little reference to in Scream 2, Matthew Lillard showed up on set because he was dating Neve Campbell and he's in the very far background in a scene with like bleach blonde hair. I didn't know that. Yeah. So that's a tongue in cheek reference to that like very far background, not even cameo, just like background appearance. That's really funny. So yeah, but it's right off the bat where like stew might be alive. And let me just say right now where spoilers throughout the whole thing because I don't want to have to like dance around until the end. I'll just say stew is throughout the movie and then it turns out he is an AI deep fake and I heard a lot of people come up to me at the convention and say, I really liked it. I wish that stew had been actually alive. It feels like they were teasing us and that they pulled the rug out from us by having him not alive. Listen, guys, I love Matthew Lillard. I love him. I love stew and it was great to see him as he's having a fucking blast. He's yeah, I love this performance because like especially knowing him in real life where he's like such a warm cuddly for him to be like real mean and psychotic. I know that he's the bad guy in FNAF, but like this is different. Stu is tearing it up. Yeah. And like a dick and he was cool to see this character aged up. Yeah, because it's not cute. You know what I mean? Like young stew, there's something kind of charming about it because he's a teenager and it's funny and kind of the goofy. But when you age him up, it's creepy as fuck. Yeah, especially because he's doing the same thing. It's the same mannerisms. But he's got a fucking scarred face. It's not cute anymore. No, it's just scary. So great to see him back. But listen, I'm sorry. Scream is one of the most realistic franchises. It lives in the real world. It is a grounded franchise, and it does just not make sense for a person to have been presumed dead but actually alive for 30 years. He's dead. He's fucking dead and in the ground. I'm so sorry. And if they ever reverse that because like they say, you know, at the end of this movie, you are supposed to believe, OK, Stu is dead. They could still go back on it. They didn't like dig up his grave and show his body. They could still go back. And if they do, it's just it's too much. And there's something else in this movie that's too much. But like Stu being alive for it could have worked in Scream 3 when it was just a couple of years, you know, and that was the original plan was for Scream 3. But for 30 years to pass and no one knows. Yeah. And also what's he been doing this whole time? Please guys, I know we love Stu. We love Matthew. It just it doesn't make sense for him to be alive. But they will tease it throughout this whole movie because that's kind of the premise. Also, we are not the podcasters in the beginning. Some people thought that I don't think it sounds anything like it. Ahtrak text to me was like, is that you guys in the beginning? Yeah, I was like, no, no, it's not. That was not us. It's, you know, listening to the pot, whoever it is, is Jimmy Tatro and what's her name? From Landman. Landman's daughter, the Landman's daughter. Yeah. My mom had me watching. Little Landman. Little Landman. Little Landman. Little Landman and Jimmy Tatro are staying at the Mokker House, which has been turned into an Airbnb. Much like in real life. Much like in real life, but in the scream universe. This is where murders actually happen. And they have like tape. This is so fucked up. Yeah. And I mean, she's like, this is fucked up. It is fucked up. Michelle Randolph is her name. This is we stayed here IRL. It was making me very nostalgic. Top three things we've ever gotten to do is stay in the Mokker House. Definitely. I when they're walking around in there in this opening and saying, oh, this is where this happened. We were doing that exact same thing. And that video fucking rules. If you haven't seen it, us doing a rundown of the layout of the Scream House. Watch it. It's so good. I'm so proud of that video. I miss that house. I have house fucking rule, dude. It has a cozy house. So Jimmy Tatro and his girlfriend, mostly him, are like huge stab fans. True crime fans. And they're like going through. I he's very funny. He he's a very funny charismatic guy. His voice is great. Yeah, I loved when she tries to go in the closet thinking it's a bathroom. He's like, no, that's that's the closet. Remember from when she like tried to do it. He's a very good natural comedic actor. Yes, like it's infuriating. It is infuriating. And I forget if I've talked about this before, but back when practical folks, we were doing that like 12 years ago or whatever, I had learned of his sketch comedy because he started as a sketch comedy on you. And I was like, I was so jealous of his success. I was like, fuck this guy, but he's very funny, very good. I think overall this opening scene is pretty solid. It's it's fun. I like it. It's got some good. There are some moments where I'm like because there's an animatronic ghost face and I thought for sure the scare would be no hun. I unplugged it when before we went into the other room, see and they look and there's it's unplugged and it was still moving and then it stabs, you know. It does this one thing that it does a second time where ghost face appears and then like dissolves into the background. Ghost face is kind of incorporeal in this, especially in the garage. He's attacking. I think Joel McCail, dude, it fades away like the fucking devil in long legs. Yeah, or the devil or Mr. Belial or whatever. Oh, Mr. Labelle, Mr. Balan ready or not, just like the like wink. Maybe ghost face was just James Vanderbilt and he can actually do that. So they get attacked by a ghost face who stabs Jimmy Tatra on the head. Yeah, the eyeballs all. Yeah, like that goes through and like, yeah, pretty gnarly. Yeah. Oh, and I did kind of roll my eyes a little bit. It they're talking about Amber and Richie and Lamban says, like, oh, I would. She got burned up, burned to death. I would hate to die that way. And I'm like, well, she's dying in a fire. Absolutely. Yeah, that was pretty on the nose. But, you know, we're I love the little plaque for live Mackenzie, the the girlfriend in Scream 5, who gets shot in the head by by Amber. All the little nods. Oh, and then I do have to shout out fucking Roger L. Jackson, as always, because they get a phone call from this is someone who clearly works for the air. BNB. It's like the Stumacher experience. Yeah, and they play it's the ghost face voice and they play horror movie trivia with them. Very hard trivia, by the way. People under the stairs. Questions. Stairs reference. Shout out. But they play trivia with them. And it's Roger L. Jackson is so fucking good at playing. Other people like he can so easily play a variety of people playing ghost face it's crazy. Yeah, you can tell that this is not a killer as ghost face with this goofy laugh. And there's this kind of like put on air to this ghost face that you can tell it's not real. Yeah, it's it's so subtle. It reminds me of in the beginning of Scream 5, when he calls Jenna Ortega and pretending to be her mom's friend. Yes. And that is actually a ghost face killer, but just hearing that variety of what he can do with his voice is such an amazing voice actor. Yeah, such an icon. Good shot with that because I got a huge laugh out of as she's as he's hanging up. He's like, and make sure to rape us. Five stars. Yeah, he's incredible. Because then like she gets the call and it like it's ghost face the killer and you hear the contrast, even though it was the same fucking voice actor. Yes, very good, very good. Yeah, so good little chase in run around going up the stairs, getting kicked in everything she falls and you've probably seen in the trailer where she falls from the banister and he rolls over and she gets stabbed in the gut with a knife. And then he takes a gas tank to the whole Stu Macher house and and her yeah and lights him on fire and her burning body, the chandelier. The chandelier and Sulta injury, the chandelier falling up. We both laughed. Yeah, we did. You know, it would have been good in that role. Same very same like appearance and kind of character. Alexa Blair from Fire 3. Oh, yeah. From the shower scene and everything. Yeah, she could have been in this. Yes, she was on Landman, but you know, she could have been in this. If it was just her and Mason. Oh, yeah. Yeah, RIP Macher house. So I like the opening scene as a separate thing, but it's so disconnected from the rest of the movie. It is. When we think about who the ghost face killers are. Why? Yeah, there's no motivation. There's no reason to murder these random people. Like and then the only connection it has is like Gales like, oh, like like the people in Sydney's new town hear about it and like it raises their heckles or whatever. Yeah, you know, they're like puts them on edge. Yeah, and that's why it's going down. And yeah, but like now the stew house is gone. Yeah, in the universe. I feel like if you were going to do that, they're going to build it again, like a second death. You will find this chase scene is fully operational. Yeah. Yeah. Like it just sucks that that house is gone in the universe now for a reason that doesn't feel connected. Like if like if it had happened at the end of Scream 5 where it took place there, that would have been more, you know, rewarding. But I guess it's gone now. So now we're in what's this new town that they're in called? Oh, I it's very generic. New town is where Sydney lives. And right off the bat, we're doing an exact same scene from the first movie because it's Sydney's daughter in her room. A scene from scary movie. Yeah. And her boyfriend. Oh my God, her boyfriend, who just looks like Fred from Scooby-Doo. Oh, it's very bleach blonde hair. Yeah. Yeah. He climbs through the window. He says he was watching TV. He's creepy. He made him think of her. He's I think he's even doing like the hand motions that Billy does. It's and then Don't Fear the Reaper starts playing, which played in that first scene. So like to have the first scene after the cold open, just be an exact one to one of the original screen. I'm like, oh, man, this is a lot. Yeah. Because obviously five and six and all the screen sequels have nods to the original, but this just felt like too much of a one to one. Same thing happens later when the towns. The curfew, the curfew and they're playing Red Right Hand. That exact same thing was in the original. But why? And it's so unmotivated. Yeah. Like remember, I mean, we'll get into the curfew. But remember the awesome use of Red Right Hand and Scream 5 when playing on the car when Kyle Gale. There's get like that. It's so good. That gives me chills. It's so good. Yeah. Yeah. Like to just do the exact same thing again. I'm like, come on. But yes, Sydney is a mom now. Her daughter Tatum named after Tatum in the original screen. They have a fraught relationship because Sydney is a little overprotective, doesn't take doesn't trust her daughter's boyfriend at all. She's got a little bit of a Laurie Strode 2018 thing. Less paranoid, less crazy. Yeah. Less doomsday bunker, but still. She does have a safe room. She does. She doesn't. Has never told her daughter about. Yeah. What you think. Yeah. Maybe she's just like, I know she's going to smoke weed in here. I can't tell her about it. Yeah. It's like I don't know how much I love Sydney's way of raising her daughter and like her not teaching her how to be. But I'm not going to get into the like nitpick that like people are do weird things in real life. And you know, maybe that's how they are. Because overall, I like the Sydney Tatum stuff. Yeah, I don't mind it because it reminds me like. So Sydney's whole thing is not wanting to teach Tatum basically ghost face survival skills in case something like that happens to her daughter. And I think the logic of it is kind of like how it's like a superstition thing. Like some people get weird about, I don't know, for example, the idea of maybe making a will freaks people out, like making a will when you're young freaks someone out because it's like the implication is I could die. You know, and it's like the logic is dumb. Like it's not like making a will implies that you are going to die. Yeah, but it's the weird feeling. Some people it's that superstition of like, do you know what I mean? I don't want to draw that energy. Yes, it's like inviting that in kind of thing. And I wonder if that's maybe what's kind of implied here. That's what's going on here. She is married to Joel MacKell, a man named Mark. I hate this so much. I hate it. I took quote Roger Ebert. I hate, hate, hate it. Fuck, man. Scream five established that Sydney had a husband named Mark. And I am pretty sure I have not confirmed it with anyone who made that movie. But I'm pretty certain that was meant to be Mark Kincaid. Is Patrick, it's Patrick Dempsey. Like why would he be named Mark? Yeah, why would you name Mark when there is a Mark Kincaid from Scream three? When that and that movie ended with them like having a romantic future seemingly together. I did just read right when we were sitting here on the Wikipedia that Patrick Dempsey was supposed to return for this movie. I didn't look into the article or anything, but I believe it. And then apparently scheduling conflicts due to the wildfires for whatever reason, you know, whatever he wasn't able to. And so instead we have Joel MacKell as not that Mark, but another Mark. Different Mark, because it was also a cop. Yeah, I just hate the like, no, it's not the mark you thought it's a different guy. When we're pretty sure it was supposed to be the mark we thought. I like Joe MacKell. It is weird, though, like Joe MacKell just playing a guy. Yeah, it's so bizarre to me. Like, yeah, he's not like a snarky little asshole like he always is. Yeah, he's, you know, just a good looking, tall husband. I do like when they take down that first ghost face together. I love that. I do like it. And like they end it like they're beat up and they're like, I love you. And like I noticed that more the second time through their relationship. And I enjoy that. So good for them throughout the movie. Nevis is fantastic. Not yet. It's great. She you can tell the character means a lot to her. It always has means a lot to a lot of people, including me. So I'm glad that like she's definitely not phoning it in. This was an important performance for her. I also feel like their house layout is a little too much like stews. I had that exact same thought. It feels like the same layout. It's the same fucking house. And I don't know if that's intentional or not. The stairs are in the same spot and everything. Yeah. And again, I don't know if that's intentional, like you're supposed to think that or if they just like weren't inventive. But yeah, you know, like her daughter Tatum wants to wear her Scream 2 jacket. She's so silly. This is all of the Scream 2 jacket. It was a cool jacket. But like we're treating it so reverently. Like it's I know. I wonder how many people. Lightsabers. Yeah, yeah. So because like someone who has watched these movies a million times and has covered them multiple times over, I know that jacket. But how much of the general audience knows the importance of that jacket? Yeah. It's I this is so goofy to me. I just doesn't work. Yeah. And apparently we learned that like Sydney has doesn't really talk about her childhood that much with Tatum. She's like very guarded about her past. But she does work at Little Latte Coffee Shop. I guess she owns it. I think she owns it. Yeah, I love that Sydney's whole world. And I kind of I do kind of like this production design choice. Her entire world in life is this like sage green color. Like her entire house is painted this blue green and so is the coffee shop. And to me, that kind of color, that specific color just feels very much like a fuck I need to feel Zen right now color. And I just like the idea of her being like I'm painting every surface I interact with this color because I have to feel calm. I need to feel good everywhere I go. I need to be chill. And I think it's I think it's it says a lot about that character, although it does sometimes get confusing depending on the edit. Because if you're not immediately aware of where character is, it can look like when you cut from the house of the coffee shop, it's like it takes me a second. Because the walls are the same fucking color at the coffee shop. We meet her neighbor slash friend, Jessica, played by Anna Camp. Don't worry, we see Carl. Oh, yeah, Carl gets a coffee. Don't forget Carl. Don't you will, but don't forget him. His name is Carl with a K. It's it's put on the coffee cup. He she says coffee for Carl. He picks up. He's weird looking. He stares her down. She's like, what the fuck? And that's Carl. Yeah. Good job, Carl. You did your scene. Anna Camp is her neighbor slash friend, Jessica. Anna Camp's son, Lucas is a true crime junkie who's obsessed with Sydney and wants to start a podcast. His he wants the first episode to be about the New York ghost face stuff and is asking Sydney to be on it, which doesn't make sense. Yeah, because as they will say repeatedly throughout this movie, she was not in New York. She was not in New York. And boy, do people get upset at her for not being in New York. Tatum has her friend group who it consists of every franchise ever's star. McKenna Grace and the fuck. She was just at Scaradice and I apologize for forgetting the name. Celeste O'Connor, who was in Freaky. I'm gay. You're black. We are so screwed. Yeah, she is Chloe and McKenna is Hannah. And I had to look those up because side characters in this movie are pretty forgettable, I would say. And that's not a issue specific to this. A lot of the Scream sequels have some forgettable side characters, whether it's Jill's boyfriend in four. I think Mason's girlfriend in five and then in six. Yeah, six. There's some randos. I don't know. Annika was pretty cool before she got stabbed and then had to climb across that ladder. But yeah, they all have, you know, some forgettable. But but this one I just feel has a lot of them who are kind of forgettable. Chloe can make a pizza. I guess so. And she likes Lucas, which they reference in this walking scene, but it still feels abrupt later at the bar when he like gets all up in her face and they're like flirting. It just seems like they give zero to 60 real fast. They're talking about this play. What? OK. Tatum's in at school. This musical that they are all in together. I thought it was Peter Panifers, but it's not Peter Pan. I don't know what the fuck this musical is. You've got McKenna as a fairy and you've got Tatum as a like a mascot style dog named Fluffy. Name Fluffy. There's a girl sitting in a bed. There's a girl sitting in a bed and my OK. This is a thing in movies that I love. This is a trope I love is musicals that are like a tertiary part of the plot where you never really get a sense of what the musical is about, but you just see students or people in the costumes from it and you maybe get snippets, but you never learn what it actually is. So this there's like a kid dressed as a mushroom sitting in the audience behind the teacher and there's a girl in like a clown outfit. And I just love it. I want to believe they never ever came up with the actual story for what this is and just put people in random shit because that's so funny to me. Tatum is this dog mascot named Fluffy. And I think it's a little like this is a little too ridiculous for me in that she has stage fright playing this dog. And then the way the drama teacher talks to her and is like, you're fluffy as dogs are lively creatures. You're you're Sydney Prescott's daughter. Where why aren't you bringing that energy? And I'm reporting you to the principal and I'm getting you fired because like that's an insane thing to bring up to your student. I'm your mom survived murders and you can't play this dog. Like bringing up my familial trauma. Yeah, I'm getting your ass fired, dude. And the the teacher I didn't realize is Tim Simons. Yeah, from beef. I just sitting on the corner. What? Nothing. Stand on the corner. Yeah. I feel like he looks like Josh Rubin in this. Yeah, it's the beard is. Yeah, he looks a little Josh Rubin in this. He's the would have been good. He's the funniest red herring in this to me. Yeah, when he's doing the crime report, he's like, I was at home having dinner. Apparel spritz. Apparel spritz is a very funny. We don't even have an understudy. We don't even have understudies. And then he's later at one of the crime scenes and we get like just a single shot of him just so you remember he exists and that you think he's a red herring. And then we never see him again. And we never see him again. Dude, that's that's funny. It's it's really dumb. Yeah, like he's so aggressive to these students. I wonder if they maybe cut something where it's like, well, he's the drama teacher. He's good at acting. Maybe he could have done the deep fakes. He's good at like pretending to be other. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I wonder how many because there was a original version of the script with Melissa and Jenna's characters, or at least even if there wasn't a script, there was an outline, an idea for a story. And all of that got rewritten, especially with Kevin Williamson attached to direct, who is a writer, he like did a lot of rewriting. Like how much of the original is still left in here? Yeah, like what is this Frankenstein? Or was it like a whole new thing? I don't know. I would love to know, but I don't know how open they're going to be about all that. And even if we did find out, no way, could we tell any of you? If we found out by like, you know, you know, from friends, we would it would have to be like publicly released stuff. And I don't know if they're going to publicly talk about stuff like that. And why would they have to this movie made fucking bank at the box office, man? So he's like, you guys have to practice more. McKenna, you and Aaron, this tech need to practice with the harness thing. And so like Tatum goes backstage to talk to her boyfriend about how shy she is, which is like that's her kind of character trait. And Ark is like shy, but I never get that from her. I don't either. She like kicks a lot of ass. Yeah. And so and it's not until like she needs to have a lot of friends. Yeah. So I don't really get where this like it's like she has a lot of friends and a boyfriend. Uh-huh. And she's kicking ghost faces as a shy girl in school like, bitch, what are you talking about? Oh, one sad thing is that we get two reminders from McKenna Grace that she's having a party. That party does not happen. We don't get to that party and a screen party. Pretty fun scene. Yeah. No party here because McKenna Grace is the Sarah Michelle Geller of this one. You know, from Scream 2, it was a big name. And then she doesn't die in the opening. So you're like, cool, but she's the first victim in the actual plot. Was she also planning a party? Sarah Michelle Geller. No, she was house sitting her sorority. That's right. So I was think sorority party. Maybe that's why everyone else is at the sorority party. McKenna Grace, yeah, does not end up getting to have that part. Also Daphne. Yes. Just like Sarah Michelle Geller. Yeah. Oh, it's all coming together, dude. I love that. I saw that apparently McKenna has been logging every single animated Scooby-Doo movie on Letter Plus. She's so funny. Yeah, I wish I'd gotten to talk to her more at Scarodize. That line never ending because if you're a fan of anything, then McKenna Grace is in it. So I'm very sad that her character exits the movie. So it's it she leaves too soon, but it is my favorite death. And did you say it was your favorite too? It is currently my favorite. And I'll get into why when we get to the later kills, but this kill is real cool because Ghostface, first he kills the tech who's controlling the harness. And then he's like screen death. Yeah. And then he you get to see the slit throat later, but then he's like she's still in the harness. So he's like pulling her up. He's dropping her down. He's slamming her into the set design. You just see the Ghostface glove go to reach for the this kills very giallo. Yes. Which is also I like it a lot. It's very beautiful and colorful. Yeah. Because he ends up getting her swinging just back and forth. And every time she swings by him, he'll stab her or slash her somewhere. And then finally, and you get the splatters of blood, which is also kind of giallo. The fact that it's on a stage feels with a spotlight. It's I really like this is really good. Yeah. And then the last time she swings towards him, he just holds the knife up, slits her right down the middle. He's got a fish. He have a reel and her guts just go flying, dude. Where's it's live intestines. Yeah. And then the this whole sequence ends with this shot of her just like silhouetted by the spotlight and her intestines hanging out. She's just dangling. Yeah. It's pretty cool. It's real cool. And Sidney sees the last part of it happen. Dude, she runs in sees Ghostface on the stage with with Hannah's body like and she just starts opening fire. She's like, oh, that kid's dead. Doesn't matter. Yeah. Fuck it. I also love Ghostface coming through the door on the set and I kind of going, what the fuck? Her what the fuck is great. And yeah, his entrance on the set also like this is a good sequence. It is. It's it's very good. This is one of the best sequences in the movie for sure. Yeah. Might be the best. I really enjoy it. It feels the most like an old screen movie. Mm hmm. Like something from Scream 2 and maybe just because the stage. Yeah. Yeah. On stage. I'm no no under whatever. Mm hmm. But yeah, sad. She's dead. Yeah. Please question all the characters and like where we get a little bit of like where were they? Chloe maybe. Oh yeah, we're getting everyone's alibis. Uh huh. And Sidney's like you are not to hang out with Ben anymore because he's a suspect. Because he is sus. Oh yeah. By the way, Tatum asks like she's like freaking out about if she's shy or timid and she's talking to her boyfriend. And she asks him what he likes about her. What do you think of his answer? Because I thought it was kind of bad. I don't remember what he fucking says. He says I like the way you look at me and the way it makes me feel. Um. Because isn't that like more about him? About him. Yeah. I just think it but you know they're high schoolers so she likes it. It made me think of that line in when we saw the paranormal activity play. Mm hmm. There's a similar scene where the someone asks like what do you like about each other and the husband's answer is very similar. And the third party's like okay now give an answer that's not about you. Yeah. And everyone in the audience would oh. So Sidney I guess goes back to work because that's where she is when she gets a call. It's Roger doing ghost phase. Mm hmm. He said you were missed in New York. It's not the same without you. I think it's in this scene you get to see the logo for her coffee shop and it's the most basic ass fucking logo you've ever seen which I think is so funny. And I love the idea of Sidney just wanting to have a basic ass life. Like I want to own the most basic boring coffee shop with a basic ass like like Wix generated logo. Yeah. Where it's kind of like a hipster scroll. You know I like that for her. So she gets a call from Ghostface Voice says you were missed in New York. Not the same without you. And then she gets a video call from him puts it on her computer. It's Stu Mocker. Yeah. He's got scars on his face and he says surprise Sidney. I always had a thing for you Sid. He's saying the old lines and again. I thought OK. First of all no one else was there for that. She wrote a book but she did write a book. Yes. I thought through the logic chain of I don't know if she would say the quote what the killers were saying in her book but you know whatever. I'm obsessed with the way he hangs up the phone in this part. Oh I just like. Like. Oh you know what I think the the the call was before. That's why she went and saw him again. Oh because why she went to the school. Yeah the movie jumps back and forth a lot sometimes. So he's like I met your school with your daughter. Yeah he's real pretty. Yeah she made she would make a good Daphne I would know. Oh yeah by the way Sidney has two other kids but they're in Denver. This is so funny to me with Joel's mom. Yeah these the presence or the existence of these two other kids. Because in Scream 5 we see Sidney running with a stroller. Yeah. There have to be two young kids for there to be a stroller in that movie and an older kid in this movie. Like it's just so funny you can tell this movie resents so much that there is the existence of younger kids because they're like fuck it. We don't even get an explanation. No they're just they just write in the throwaway line of like fuck we have to address it. Okay they're they're in Denver with grandma and grandpa. With grandma and grandpa. Why? It's just visiting grandma and grandpa it's fine. Yeah yeah. Because we know people we know someone on IMDb will complain about it. There. So they're like okay we don't know if this is actually stew you know anyone can do deep fakes nowadays but we're gonna go back home and because her husband is the chief of police the cops come with them and they're like we're gonna sweep the house and then immediately don't look at the closet right there in the front. I didn't notice that. There's like a door right there they're like we're gonna sweep the house and they fan out and they don't even check that door. They also don't check the attic. Yeah. There's a ghost face hiding. There's a ghost face in there. I like the little push in on the hallway. I do too it's good. Tilt top attic yeah. That's so I didn't even notice they don't check the closet. They don't check that closet. They're like video game characters were like their cone of it's like in a stealth level. Also I feel like there's a moment with the deputy deputy cook or whatever and she like it's I think it's after all this but she like Joel McKellen and Sydney are sitting in the back of like a van and the deputy does something and she's like no problem chief and there's like it felt like a little bit like a scream for yeah yeah 11 squares yeah 11 square it felt a little lemon square but it never came up again so I was like okay there's a ghost face hiding in the attic he pops down and grabs Tatum and then a bunch of fighting between Joel and ghost face and dude this gun is going off. It's getting shot a lot and I feel like at one point he fires it right at them and I don't know maybe it's just me but it just seems a little crazy just seems a little fast and loose for such close quarters. Joel, McKell gets knocked out down the stairs while Sydney and Tatum run into the safe room that Tatum didn't even know exists and that Sydney did not stock with a gun or a phone to call the police yeah there's like a bat in there that she uses the bash him in the head like there should be it should have its own like landline or like yes they should have a landline and probably a gun yeah yeah but uh instead they have to go through like the wall and this is another sequence that I do like the going through the wall sequence this is great because they're they're kind of squeezing through and then ghost face hears them in the wall and starts stabbing through the wall to try to get them. Great classic horror setup uh you know near hits he hits Sydney on the shoulder with a fire poker um eventually they get out and then this is when like Joel, McKell and Sydney are tag team and beating up ghost face outside on the front lawn. I mean I always love to see ghost face getting the shit beat out of him and he does in this movie. He does he does he gets bottles broken on his head. He's getting hit by wooden signs. He's falling through the stuff. It's good we all love seeing ghost face get the shit falling downstairs and in and in this scene after they beat him up a little bit he stands up in the middle of the street and then just gets nailed by a car. Yeah it's like final destination style ghost face is dead. Yeah is the timing of it really dumb? Yes I'll allow it because ghost face getting hit by a car is really funny and I was shocked that at this point in the movie what are we like 40 minutes in or something ghost face gets killed. Yeah and we get a ghost face reveal. Yeah who hit him with the car? It's Gail Weathers. Gail in like the most Marvel movie clap moment. Yeah I neither neither time I saw it was with like a general public audience and I hear that there was lots of applause especially at this moment and like just big reactions throughout the whole movie but I have to imagine this was a big moment. It's Gail and the twins from five and six uh I they are now working for Gail because they're gonna be in this movie and that's the best way to put them in. We gotta get them in the movie yeah. So I feel like their inclusion is a little force that like relationship. It's an awkward way to shoehorn them in. And they do feel different than all these other characters. Yes. They feel like radio silence characters. That's the thing is the meeks is are like in their original incarnation are such radio silence style characters humor wise tone wise that them in this movie they just feel a little off to me. All that being said I think they're great. Yes they are. I think they bring a lot of lively energy. They're both so funny. They're both very funny and charming. Yes. And I love them. I know they're I guess a little divisive with the fans because they're like the the people who say the meta things and like some people only want Jamie Kennedy to do that. I think they do a good job and I'm glad that they're in this movie regardless of how they got in there. I just think they bring a lot of energy back to and are like characters outside of the main characters who I enjoy watching you know and who interests me. Also I will note I'm glad that Mark is never even brought up as a suspect because that would be insane. Yes. She's been married to she has three kids with them. I'm glad that it is just never ever ever like oh could it be the husband. I'm glad that they don't try that because that'd be fucking nuts. They unmask Ghostface and it's a guy. It's a guy and then Sidney's like oh yeah he got a coffee. Yeah I forget who's like is it maybe he's just like who the fuck's that. Just some guy named Carl. He got coffee this morning. I remember I said don't forget Carl. Yeah. So Ghostface. Everyone's favorite Ghostface Carl. Gotta be the worst Ghostface ever right. The only Ghostface that you get less of is in the beginning of Scream 6. Oh oh oh oh in the cold open. Yes. The one in the fridge. Yes yes yes yes. And like the knockoff Ghostface who you'd never even see alive. He's just dead in the fridge. That is the only Ghostface who gets less time than Carl. But turns out Carl Allen Gibbs was a person who had been in a nearby asylum institution until recently. Had killed three women 20 years ago and that's that he's dead right. Yeah that's it. That's it. Except Sidney thinks it's too easy. It is too easy. She's getting calls from Stoumok. She's like it's only 40 minutes into this movie. Yeah she's also like it's never just one and I'm like Sidney. Roman did his solo. Yeah Scott Foley walks into the movie and is like hey hold on. Don't forget about Roman Bridger. Like Hayden literally referenced that in Scream 6. Yeah. She's like Roman only wanted to do it by himself. I gave him credit. Also I like Robbie whatever the other reporter. Yeah I like him. He's like real hungry for a story. I like him. He's funny. Yeah he's a good addition. Sidney and Gail are talking after we see more you know the crime scene you see Creepy Kid next door and the drama teacher in the crowd last time you see him. But Sidney and Gail start talking and she's talking about the Stoum phone call and then he calls again and Gail gets to see him and he's like oh he's doing his he's doing a stew thing. And what does he say here. He's like oh you had to bring back some old washed up hag to help you Sidney. I forget what else he says. Yeah it's me stew. It's me stew. Come see this movie. Oh Gail has nerve damage from New York. I can't do it. She's like lucky you set that one out in New York. So they decide or Sidney finally decides okay I need to look into this. I need to know if this is actually stew or not and Gail is all excited that they're going to go solve a mystery together. That's when they go to. Fallbrook Psych Hospital. Oh also Sidney's in a good Sidney outfit. She's got like another jacket over like a zip-up hoodie. Looks good. They talk to an orderly who shows them Carl's room. The guy who they killed it because he was Ghostface. What's the orderly's name. That's a great question hon. Do we ever get his name. I don't know that guy's name has ever said. Wow. Because spoiler alert he is a Ghostface killer and when he unmasks Sidney just goes you. Yes. Oh you. Marco Davis. They'd never once say that. I don't think we ever heard Marco. Nope. No fucking way. No it's Ethan Embry who was also at Spook uh scared ice. Seemed like a real cool guy. Um I haven't seen his other movies that he's known for. A lot of people there were very excited to see him. He gets this one scene. Yeah. And then the orderly at this hospital and he shows them this room that well first he shows him the room that Carl Carl. Yeah. There's a picture of Tori Spelling there. Yes. Who played Sidney Prescott in the stab movies. So I guess Carl was a stab fan. And then they show him a picture of Stu from the call. Like have you ever seen this man. And he's like yeah that's John Doe. He was a guy who who's he came here in the 90s. He was like he had memory loss. I think he was from California but he just got out two weeks ago. Him and him and Carl were good friends and were like oh fuck is Stu back. Mm hmm. He's not but this is the plant in the seed there. And that's the scene with the orderly. That's the scene with the orderly. The twins are hanging out and Tatum's like why are you here as in like I think that's a meta line of like why are you in this movie. And they're like oh we're legacy you know. Our uncle was real close with your mom and they want to figure out the suspects because Mindy wants to you know follow in Gale's footsteps but be a better version. So they're like Tatum you need to get all your friends together and we'll rally them up and we'll figure out who it is. The only problem is there's a curfew in town. Yes a curfew has been set which why. Why is there a curfew. We just spent a whole scene. Okay so we killed Carl. Yeah. And everyone except for Gale and Sidney are like okay we got him. We got him boys. We got this creep pretending to be a ghost face and killing people and that's that. And you know Sidney like she's being paranoid. She thinks it's too easy but like it's fine. I guess they get a call from Stu after that so she could have told her husband. Yeah and then he could have ordered it but it just seems like a very extreme thing especially like listen we are all there for COVID. You think these townsfolk are going to be like oh yeah we'll stay inside even though you killed this guy who you know we already we already got him but yeah sure we'll stay in no fucking way. Yeah. No fucking where they staying inside man. I'm sure some people are mad that we're being negative. We are being complimentary to things that we like. Yeah. There's a lot of the McKenna Gracie fantastic but we can also pick on the things we don't like. We're making everyone mad. Yeah the people who like him the people who hate everyone's gonna be pissed at us. So there's this curfew Sidney and Gail decide all right let we need to figure out where Stu or whoever is pretending to be Stu is located. We need to get we need to like track his phone so how do we do that? We get him to call us again and we do that by Sidney's finally going to give Gail what she's been wanting for like 30 years an interview. So they set up an interview on local television. I love that the other guy is like he frames it as his exclusive but it's just Gail interviewing Sidney. It's like brought to you by. I'm here to you. Yeah. The most EP role ever. Yes. Yeah. Mark gets attacked at home in their garage that they are working on. Yeah by incorporeal ghost face. Oh yeah there's one ghost face like dissolves. Yeah by the tarp and he stabs him four times and that was in the trailers and we were all like oh Joel McCall is a dead guy. He's a goner. Little did we know that he would be the dewy of this movie. So now there is a the meeting at the bar with all the friends of Tatum and the twins and they're talking about could Stu Mocker really be alive and they say it would be a ridiculous retcon for any franchise. Agreed. Yes. They say that this one is all about nostalgia which it could be but it is also just leaning into it all the things we discussed earlier. Yeah and then I think earlier it isn't it Sidney who's like it would be a better story. If Stu was still alive. Yes. But it's not realistic. Right. So they're hammering on it a whole bunch. Also what's with the Wuthering Heights. I don't know. Yeah. Because Mindy's like scream queens can't have happy endings. We all want to read Wuthering Heights again for the first time. Yeah. It just seemed like a let's reference it because we know we're going to be in theaters at the same time as a Wuthering Heights. Maybe. I don't know. Because like that's not a scream queen or a final girl or anything. I guess tragic ending. Yeah I guess. Kathy too is a final girl in my opinion. Kathy too. Oh man the second part of Wuthering Heights is the more interesting part. I like the okay back to like the interview because Gail keeps asking about Sidney's daughter and Sidney gets pissed and doesn't want to talk about her on TV which is totally fair. I like when Gail asks Sidney to describe their relationship and Sidney says complicated but enduring. Yeah that's good. Yeah. And then so they cut and Sidney's like what the fuck. You know what if I asked you about Dewey on air and Gail's like I would have said that I'm fine. Like I have been telling myself ever since it happened or something to that effect. And I thought I like that moment because it made me sad. Good good acknowledgement of that past and like yeah. They do bring up New York in the interview again though because they're like yeah they're like you disappeared. People want to know I want to know when again in scream six Gail was like let her have her happy ending. She deserves to have her happy ending. For us watching these movies yes the New York attacks were a thing that is connected to all this. They're ghostface killers and I know it's a ghostface killer so obviously it is like connected to the other ghostface incidents in the universe but like just the way they refer to it is just so like it is a movie in their franchise. Yeah. As opposed to like a real thing that happened. They're like wow man you sat that one out. Yeah. That's such a weird. What do you mean I sat that out. So they get a call from Stu after they're off the air and what I think is hilarious is that he's like oh I'm at this bar where your daughter is she's not following curfew. He says she's a bad bitch. I'm going to punish her. I'm like that's not what bad bitch means. I wrote that exact lying down and my theory is the original line was I think it was supposed to be she's a bad girl and I'm going to punish her and someone probably Matthew was like that's gross. Oh like she's a bad girl. She's like naughty girl. She's a bad girl. I'm going to punish her because that's a creepy spot like that's like a lot but that makes more sense than she's a bad bitch. I know because bad bitch is like oh she's a bad bitch. Yeah. Someone. Yeah. Do you know. Yeah. Yeah. Something it's something got mixed up there because he says she's a bad bitch. I'm like oh word she's a bad bitch. She's pretty fucking dope. Yeah. So this is the start of it all unraveling. Yes. Everything starts falling apart here. Yeah. Because Sydney after this call from Stu who says he's going to kill her daughter runs outside and she goes to get in the car and she doesn't have the keys and she goes and turns and runs down the street and Gail inside is like where'd Sydney go. Oh she ran off and both of these things are so insane to me that Sydney decides to run across town instead of going to get the kidding or like having someone else drive like that's the car and sure people don't think rationally under stress or whatever but we are also writing a movie and what's annoying about this is the next like five scenes of Sydney are her standing in the middle of an empty suburban street on her phone and it's like it keeps cutting back to it. I'm so sick of Sydney in the middle of the road. Yeah. And then Gail is just fucking gone from the movie until the end. Gail becomes a video game NPC. As soon as Gail is off screen she deactivates. Yeah. Because she shows up again. What the fuck is she doing this whole time? She shows up again at the end and is like why'd you run away from me? Oh it's the movie's over okay I'm here for the ending. It's like what do you mean why'd you run away? You saw the phone call where Stu is saying he's going to kill my daughter. She just hanging out the station that whole time with Robbie? It's crazy. It's insane that she didn't go to Sydney's house or go to the coffee. Yes. Like what is she doing that whole time? What is Gail doing that whole time? I'm dying to know. Because like six I remember a criticism of like Gail disappearing but she gets stabbed and taken out. Like they give a reason for her to be removed from the movie until the end. What is she doing this whole time? I don't know it's dumb. It's very dumb. And Sydney running through the streets also dumb. So now you know while they're doing that we get all the stuff in the bar. Yeah is this when Tatum finds in her boyfriend's car? Her and her boyfriend Lee. This is also really stupid. She gets in the car and he's got his laptop with him and she like looks at the laptop and it's him in front of a green screen and Matthew Lillard like he looks like in the phone calls. And he's then experimenting doing deep fakes. And she hits play and it's him being like I'm gonna fucking kill you Sydney Prescott. Dude you are incriminating the fuck out of yourself with this. I'm just saying if you're gonna be fucking around with that why wouldn't you be like this is a test test test test. One, two, three. I am seeing if this is a possible thing that could exist. This is Ben who a person who loves Tatum and respects Sydney Prescott and I am testing this thing for their benefit. I am Tatum's boyfriend who we've established is good at computers seeing if this is a possible thing to do. And he's like I'm gonna fucking kill you and your daughter Sydney Prescott and the way it morphs from him to Matthew Lillard is the most like boomers just being like oh is that how it's done. It's like literally like the swirly warp effect and then he's Matthew Lillard. Yeah it's real bad but again just the incrimination of that. Like dude even if you were innocent the cops are gonna find that and you're fucked because like try explaining that. She knocks him out and runs out and then later when she runs into him because she gets attacked by Ghostface I'm like he's still not completely exonerated. There's always more than one but she's like oh I know it wasn't you and then I'm like we could play with that and then he gets killed right away. I'm like oh we could have played with that a little more. Yeah I agree. In the meantime in the bar just everyone's getting fucking killed dude. Ghostface shows up. I do hate that the twins go to leave and the front door is locked and then they're like but it's like a completely glass front door and they're like oh no we're locked in we gotta find another way out. Dude just fucking break the... Again video game on PCs. Yeah yeah yeah again this is it really starts to unravel in a hurry here. So Ghostface is attacking the friends. Who gets attacked first? Is it oh in the kitchen it's Chloe. Chloe yeah. She has a you know fun little scene a little chase scene with them. She ends up accidentally stabbing Chad. Yeah like in the shoulder. Yeah because Ghostface is like appearing and disappearing and stuff and like she turns and stabs and it's Chad who had just said earlier I don't want to get stabbed tonight in reference to all of his stabbings and then Ghostface slashes Mindy in the stomach and those two are just down for the rest of the movie. But then Chloe gets further attacked. Ghostface... Or no she runs out of the kitchen and Lucas is like I got you and he walks backwards into the kitchen which is a real dumbass thing to do and then stumbles out holding his stomach where it's just red and I'm like that's fake. Yeah. He like walked in there we didn't see the attack he comes out with ketchup on his stomach no problem no problem. Chloe gets further attacked by Ghostface who fucking like slides her along the bar like in through like glasses and stuff I like that and then what she dies after he like finishes pushing her off the bar and like glass goes in her neck. Yeah yeah she gets killed by glass. Yeah but then Lucas is still alive and he's not that was a real stabbing I was like oh okay and this kill when he picks up Lucas. This is ridiculous. This is so he picks up Lucas and for some reason one of the beer taps has like a spike on top and he puts it through the back of Lucas's head who then slides down and then his mouth opens and he leans forward and beer and blood get shot out of his mouth. One I don't feel like the tap is there physically it's a fun kill. It is. It's really fun. It looks like a terrifying kill. This is this is straight out of terrifying yeah. Like this looks like a prosthetic dummy that Damien Leone created like it looks like it yeah and it's so extreme and over the top that it's like funny and that is the only reason that I'm gonna say McKenna is my golden chick because this it feels out of place. Yes it doesn't feel like a scream kill even though I do think it's really funny. It's funny and I like it but like it again it's just like okay we're going there for this. Yeah it's like in a violent nature. We're defying human anatomy just for a gag which just doesn't feel like a scream kill. Like I'm not mad at it. Yeah in a violent nature for sure. Yeah it feels like in a violent nature. Okay and then is that all the ones who are dead there? I think so and then yeah we cut to Tatum's running around outside. Oh yeah because the boyfriend gets killed like after he's like I didn't do it. Oh I know you didn't you get stabbed like a lot. I like this little chase scene outside. I like all the ghost face shadows. Yes I was thinking that it's a little crazy that the town is that deserted. I mean that's why they have the curfew so it'll be this way but the way it's shot and the shadows and the debt. You got the kind of like nose for a two hand. Yeah and also the there's that there's like another silhouette of ghost face on the side of a building. I like all of that. Yeah I think it's kind of. And this is when she hits him with like the wooden sign so that's good. She goes to the coffee shop and gets inside and then that alerts Sydney that because she has like an alarm on her phone for the coffee shop lock and so she's still fucking just running down the street and she starts checking the cameras at the coffee shop and sees what's going on. And so she calls Tatum to be like I'm on the way but then like she takes two steps forward and then the reception cuts out so she has to take two steps back and she's like fucking phone and then she's just going to be standing in the middle of that street for a while and I think it's dumb. Talking on the phone. Yeah so she's talking through and she's talking through Tatum how do you use a gun. That's in the office. That's in the office. Because ghost face knows the code so it must be someone close to them. Yeah but Tatum gets in the office and barricades the door. Very smart. Gets the gun out of the safe and then like Sydney's like you have your earplugs put them in. Fuck that. Like I just I don't know I just feel like it's an emergency just go just shoot it. I mean guns are loud. Yeah but still. But it's a weird it's a weird specific thing like if this was a super realistic movie maybe. I'm just saying yeah if it was this yes you know if it's like green room. She just we've just went through a whole shootout in the house. Oh yeah in like way closer quarters. Yeah and also like your daughter's already fucking deaf from that. Also why does she have the earplugs. I think it's her earbuds maybe. Oh so she can hear the instructions without ghost face hearing. Never mind. Oh okay criticism revoked. I thought it was like hey you know those eargasm earplugs that you always carry for concerts. Put those okay okay that makes more sense because I was also wondering how ghost face wasn't hearing the okay. Okay. All right good we're good and I like the whole she's watching the camera and is telling her where to shoot through the wall. This is in the trailer yeah where it's like shoot to the right of the door. She shoots through and knocks ghost face down. She shoots through the wall hits ghost face and then Sidney's like all right you gotta shoot him in the fucking head and Tatum does not. Tatum cannot. No. To be fair that would be a difficult thing to do. It's all that's the thing with double tapping in horror movies is like go double tap them but like if you're standing there over a prone body and like just yeah yeah for most people it'll be hard. Also legally weird. Maybe yeah yeah yeah. So ghost face is able to get up she throws him through table but then a second ghost face shows up and Tatum gets snatched. Sidney gets a ghost face call. Who says like where'd you take her where the heart is. Yeah. So home. Okay. So she goes home. Yes. Where maybe Gail should have met her. Oh god this is so dumb. This is real bad. This is so stupid. She goes into her house locks the door behind her not sure why but all her TVs are on. She has so many TVs. We have a lot of TVs but she has so many in such a small area. Oh her house isn't as big as ours. No I'm just saying she has so many TVs like I don't know why they all need to be that close to each other. There's one like the kitchen counter. Yeah like yeah. So on the TVs is Stu Macher and he's like hey Sid nice of you to show up alone which I guess he just really assumed that she would follow the instructions and do it but then he's like it's not actually me you know who it really is. Laurie Metcalf. It's Laurie Metcalf she's there. And Laurie Metcalf's on another TV and Laurie Metcalf is like remember me from the second movie. I hate that you killed my son. Yeah Sidney's like I would do it again. Yeah and then she's like but you know who's also here is Scott Folly from the third movie and then it swings to another TV and it's Scott Folly who's like look Sidney it's your brother. You remember me we made a movie together. I was a single ghost face don't forget it that was pretty cool and I think it's this TV that is too high up it's above a fireplace. TV too high subreddit. TV too high. That's a good one. Never put it above the fireplace guys come on. And then the last deep fake is Dewey. Dewey. It swings over and David Arquette's there and he's like and I'm your friend and I died. Why Sidney why. And we got the Dewey's theme play in which is from Broken Arrow which we watched recently and that movie does not use that theme well. It doesn't make sense it's a much better Dewey theme but I don't want to hear it here with fucking deep fake Dewey. This this upset me. Also like they all look like their current day actors. Why would the deep fakes have them all be the age they are in 2026. Instead of how they looked like when they died 20 or whatever years ago. In this case do the Dunkin Donuts commercial de-aging because that makes more sense here. And also if your whole thing is to fuck with Sidney shouldn't it be Billy. Yeah. Who you're calling her with. The boyfriend who murdered her mom and manipulated her into having sex with him before he tried to kill her. Isn't that going to be a little more salient than your friend's boyfriend who was just like hey I always had a thing for you but you can't do that because we already did Ghost Billy in five and six and you want to get those Matthew Lillard bucks. So it's just if you're going to fuck with Sidney it would probably be Billy but you can't do that so let's do and then all these other people who again this is just like the most. It's such a random grab bag. It's just so dumb seeing them all be like and they and they all just look green screen they probably filmed them in their backyards just being like. It's like green screen yeah. Laurie Mack can't be like hey yeah. It's me. Crazy. Yeah I hate it. It's it's it looks like garbage. I think it's the my least favorite part of the movie until maybe the. Until the Ghost Face reveal. Yeah so they've set up Tatum like Steve Orth from the first movie tied up outside in a chair. There's a Ghost Face there. She goes outside he demasks and she goes you. You. Because it's Marco. You know Marco. The orderly from one scene. We imagine having gone to the bathroom during that scene. We took your dad. Yes. We saw it again. He didn't recognize him. He thought it was just a guy. He did not recognize him as the orderly from that one earlier. Yeah. He's like oh I don't know. I just thought I thought they met at the the institution. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't. He did not click for him who that was. And why should it. It was a guy in one. Unless you know Ethan Embry as an actor. Which I didn't. What I was just like who the. Oh it was that guy. Then he's like come on out stew. And this second Ghost Face comes out. This door opens on its own. This gate. It just swings open on its own. Ghost Face magic. Yep. Ghost Face walks in. But it's not really stew. It's Anna camp. Anna camp. She takes off her mask and is Jessica. And her neighbor. Her neighbor. And so here's the here's the motivation. Get the monologue. And she to be fair the acting is great. Anna does a good job. She's very good. Being crazy. Like the like the acting the delivery here is great even if she's having fun. The character and motivation itself is really dumb. Yeah. She's good in the line of like you know the Timothy Olyphant the Mikey Madison the one who was like Matthew Lillard. Yes. Yeah. So she was inspired by Sydney Prescott surviving all these these horrible men who tried to kill her. She had an abusive husband or so she says we don't know for sure. But after reading Sydney's book realized oh Sydney always kills the bad guy. I'm going to kill my abusive husband. She does. She gets away with it somehow. But then Sydney doesn't go in New York. Sydney does. Yep. As we've been reminded so many times and because Sydney makes her fucking snap because because Sydney disappeared from the public eye after being an inspiration for her. And because she wasn't in the last movie. Yeah. She fucking snapped because Ghost Face murders without Sydney don't count. They say that. Yeah. They say the sixth movie doesn't count. Yeah. And so that's what makes her snap. She gets committed. No. She checks herself in. I'm sorry. Yeah. She checks herself in and that's where she meets Marco. Marco. Everyone's favorite character Marco. And Marco we learn used to work at Google. Yes. A background in AI. So he was able to do the stew. I don't understand what his motivation is. We don't get a motivation from him because OK hers is explained. But like what does he get out of this. We don't know. They should have at least had them have him be like romantically obsessed with her or something. Yeah. Something. And like I guess if you want you can just headcanon that. But that's what makes the most sense to me is he like is really into her in the camp or yeah or was getting like sexual favors out of it or something. And again you can headcanon that if you want but you have to headcanon it because it's not set in the movie. He gets shot in the head like right away. And then he's like what did he so like and listen when we went when we left the theater I was like he is by far the worst ghost face with the worst motivation ever. And you're like what about Carl. Carl had a picture of Tori spelling of Tori spelling who played Sydney and stab. That's that's more motivation. Like he was into stab and we get Carl's name. Yeah. They say Carl's name. We see it written on a cup dude. Yeah. I never see Marco written anywhere. Oh God. It's so bad. It's so bad. And then like Anna Camp's motivation is just so dumb. It's so dumb. And then you realize if you think about it. Wait. She killed her son. Yeah. Sydney brings it up. She's like you have a son. And she's like no whether she was a dud. She was like he was too much like his dad. So whether she killed him or just let him be killed. It doesn't say specifically. That's insane. That's like that makes no sense. That's too far to even for a killer in a screen movie to like murder your own son. What why not make him the other. I don't if you want to go that route at least have that character be like the weird kid at school who like maybe has in the past killed like stray cats or something. And that's like you know like he's got that side to him. Where he could potentially be violent like and she's yes and she and that's that makes more sense to me. Yeah. And that's what makes him creepy. But also that's where she would see the potential for him to turn into his father. Yeah. But right now it's like he just has an interest in true crime like everyone does. Yeah. Like God she literally says then you went away and you didn't go to New York like come on man. Yeah. It's it's just it's really dumb to me and it's it's so much like it crests over there sighing. He got spoiled on this movie. I mean it sounds like I dodged a bullet. It's very bad. The reveal is very very bad. She also says that she's going to make Tatum watch her mom die like Sydney did Sydney didn't watch her mom. I was OK. Thank you because I was sitting there like wait am I misremembering. No Sydney came and found her mom dead but I'm pretty sure she's already dead. Yeah. The hands of Billy and Stu being directed by Roman Bridger. He's a director from the bridge or director. So now she's like I'm going to kill you and make Sydney 2.0 and Tatum and then go to jail forever. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. This is but oh yeah Joel MacKell is still alive. They drag him out like he's the dad in the first one and he's like he saw Tatum free. So she's able to get away even every get shot in the head so fast that you might miss it. I missed it because I was writing something down and after the movie ended I was like wait what happened to other ghosts and he was like how he got shot in the head pops him once in the head and he's gone. They run to the garage where again there's tarp all over pretty good little fight scene. Yeah. I love the stab with the screwdriver in the leg and then she's like trying to stab her with her left hand. Sydney's trying to stab Anna Camp with her left hand and then just like gets her grabs it with the right hand just fucking shanks her a bunch. Tatum comes in and shoots Anna Camp down and they like are like oh you okay? You okay? And then she's gone. Ghostface Magic. And then she comes screaming at them with the screwdriver and they shoot her in the head so many times that her body falls and then her face slides off. Yeah that's pretty good. Like they shoot her face off. It's pretty cool. Pretty great. But yeah that's oh I'm Sydney fucking Prescott's daughter instead of I'm Sydney fucking Prescott okay. And then Mark is still alive he's on the stretcher like Dewey in the first one. So I'm glad you know okay I'm glad we didn't kill Sydney's husband. That would suck because I'm assuming they're going to make another one. That's about it. There's a fun little. Oh yeah and then Gail shows up and is like thanks for ditching me. What the fuck. Yeah and then Sydney's like you're right I should have gone to New York and been there for you. I like the fun little mid-credits scene with the twins doing the report oh yeah it was so fucking funny and you can tell they love acting together. Yeah so that screams seven then Ice Time Kill Songs plays over the credits great. That's right yes. There's stuff to like for sure. There's some good sequences I think the cast does the most. Neve really good. I forget which scene I like marked specifically as like damn is she oh it's the interview with Gail when Tatum gets brought up. Fucking fantastic. Like Neve really brought her A game. Paid well for it good for her. They're going to make another. This box office is crazy. I am curious to see what the legs on it will be based on the kind of mixed word of mouth at least the negative critic review. I think it's like 30 something on Ronchimie. It's really bad. It's really bad from the critic side again the fan side it's fine but if that's enough to hinder the legs I think that the mark to watch for based on its huge opening is will it pass 200 worldwide. If it does then like okay it performed regularly if it doesn't then the reviews might have affected it and I do think that Scream 8 might be affected by this because when it comes to long-running horror franchises the performance tends to be based on the previous movie's reception. We see it all the time like Nightmare I forget which one like five had a huge box office even though that's not a great nightmare because four was so beloved and you see the reverse you'll see like a really good late sequel that does poor I think saw six did really poorly the healthcare one because saw five was so kind of yeah. So I'm curious about Scream 8. I would love if they could apologize to Melissa bring those characters back so that we have everyone together and like I know I really because it's like I want to I want to enjoy it. I know me too that's the problem is like for me it's not fun anymore. Yeah and so much joy is just not there for me and it just sucks. So like I really hope they can do that I don't know how likely that is. I don't think it's very likely because like okay we've had this again I think Scream I think five and six really made it so the franchise could move on without Sidney. That's the other thing I think that Sidney like I love Sidney but I think continuing the franchise and keeping it a Sidney central story is a problem. It just because it gets to a certain point where it's like damn girl maybe you're the problem seriously it really stretches credulity right. Yeah to just have this same person being involved in all these things. Like she's been attacked by so many serial killers. Yeah and like crazy. Again I love Sidney you love Sidney we all love Sidney. It's probably a big part of why this movie did so well the box office but like just for the sake of believability I don't know. It's five and six really set it up well to move on without her. Yeah and then we regressed to this. Yeah because it's still like related to Sidney and related to that story and she can still show up. Yeah but it's not oh it's just another person who's obsessed with Sidney. Yeah for the people who wanted that we got that here again most Sidney we have had since the first one so we got that great. I don't think we need it again as much as I love Neve and Sidney again you know just making that clear. Again I just hope for eight we can have everyone there everyone happy and you know copacetic because I want to love I love Scream. Scream one is my favorite horror movie it's what got me into horror movies. I love this franchise I love the actors I just want to be excited for it again I want to enjoy that I want to do the interviews and help the promotion but you know we'll have to see what happens there will definitely be a Scream 8 and I'm just so interested in seeing what it'll be. I'm glad I'm glad I watched it a second time and I'll kill count it eventually and give all my criticisms and probably do another donation you know but yeah. This is also why there should be more than four movie studios. That's the other fucking thing dude it's really hard you know because like we covered hard eyes that was a spyglass thing it's hard like the people who made hard eyes are great people who have to work for one of the few studios. It's Slim Pickens man. Yeah so if you're upset about that I'm sorry we're just trying to you know do things the best we can. It's like it's hard to get a fucking movie made you know it's it's yeah the landscape right now for creatives really fucking sucks yeah so Warner Brothers sale the bit it's like it fucking sucks man like be be pissed at the studios yeah and give the creatives involved a little bit of grace because it's a nightmare you know again please donate to our to Zaynus fundraiser yeah there's there's a way to do something yes turn your anger to something proactive feels good and it does good I'll be reading all the comments so please feel free to pitch in with whatever you think I'm very curious to see what people think about all this I know again I know a lot of you love this movie so if you did I hope you're not mad at what we said about I think we were I think we were totally fair yeah I guess that's it we're gonna try to give you a March Madness later this month yes with a bit of a different kind of bracket than the past few that yeah yeah so I'm looking forward to that it'll be fun because we wanted to get this episode out well our schedule's wonky yeah so just bear with us we'll let you know we'll let you know all right well until next time I'm Chelsea