‘Industry’ Season 4, Episode 2: The Commander and the Grey Lady

Hello, welcome back to the press to use TV podcast feed. I'm Joanna Robinson. I'm Rob Mahoney. I'm Jody Walker. Oh, we're here with industry season four episode two. I'm extremely excited to talk to you guys about the subset of television, the great lady and the commander, an absolute banger as far as I'm concerned. So as long as someone remembered to chain the locks on the armory cabinets. It's Henry's 40th birthday and we're just going to have a party for him. It's going to be fine. It's going to be low key. It's going to be great. Don't forget. Don't forget. I'm going to be very cool. Yes. A lot of deadly items and spaces in the house. It turns out. We did get a lot of emails from folks between the first and the second episode here. Press to use TV at Spotify.com. Always an option. But we have landed on our shared sort of pick for an industry specific email. Jody, would you care to share with the folks at home what we have landed on here? I guess I want to ask first, Robin Joe as two people who frequently create unique fun and fancy free emails at gmail.com. I feel like we had a hard time landing on this because we were dealing with simply a bounty of options. Is it always this difficult? This is the phrasing. This is the hardest is ever. Honestly, this is a difficult one. I think somebody is spelling wise. Oh, I mean industry just deliver so many lines that you want to latch on to and how could we possibly refuse these other ones. And yet we have to leave the mountain over to the side to open our little black box. And I think find what is the right email for us, Jody. And I believe that we have landed on harpsichord strap on at gmail.com. A totally normal email address where we would love to be reached harpsichord strap on a gmail.com. If you're like, Hey, how do I spell harpsichord? Don't worry. It's in the show notes. It might flash across the screen if you're watching this on video. Why not. You can always reach us. Press these TV at spotify.com if you prefer to not type harpsichord strap on a gmail.com interior email. But why wouldn't you open your mind? We've been on the mail back on in terms of emails that we did get. We got we got an email asking if we were doing not at the seven kingdoms coverage on this fee. Let me just assure you there are so many places at the ringer where you can find not at the seven kingdoms probably too many places house of ours doing it talk the phones is doing it the watch will be doing it we are not we are covering prestige and the pit that industry and the pit that is what we're doing right now. Are listen john wrote in with a screenshot from this episode when. Yes, men and Henry are at breakfast there is just simply a mountain of sausage which I did consider as an email address mountain of sausage. There's like. Yes, men wishes am I right. I know. I girl could only be so lucky more sausage than I like an entire like feastful of people could possibly eat piled at the table just to show us the excess of this like English breakfast that they're enjoying here at muck man or any thoughts on the mountain of sausage or anything else in terms of this. I mean it's classic rich people should but I will say just coming from if we're trying to channel an abundance mindset there is something very pleasing about a pile of breakfast foods normally like a giant stack of pancakes is more my preference but if you want a pile of sausage that's that's your right. Yeah, I also prefer the pretty woman breakfast where we eat the pile of pancakes with our bare hands. But I also like yeah that representation of the extreme wealth and there were so many gifts and curses of this episode but I always enjoy seeing. The one thing that I think is that we're seeing. Yasmin. Almost outside of her depth like it was hard to imagine when we met her that anyone could be a richer and more prestigious and noble than her but it is yet another reminder that we are in England and we are simply trying to make sure that we're not going to be a proletariat Americans ourselves and watching her just try so hard amongst such monsters and then to have her sort of scolded about that she's still learning about the curtain process in the house and that the maid knows more than her and that maybe she'll get the hang of this eventually. Yes, but is new money in this particular perspective, which is fascinating. I listen to Michiko wrote it several listeners wrote in to let us know that says quip a daily in which Rob asked why did this peak a couple years ago that it was a New York Times crossword answer and that's why a lot of people went to the Googles to find out what that was about so I don't think that was in the mini. I'm not across that one that's a classic Friday Friday or something. Or maybe the entire strands puzzle you know just really wrapping around the whole board. Wow strands guy alright and then a couple people wrote in to clarify something about the political landscape of the show I mentioned that the actor Edward whole craft appeared in the first episode playing a politician that we just saw basically in parliament. And our listeners are UK listeners want to make sure that we understood that he was part of the reform party, which is Nigel Farage's party, which is far far right. Quote unquote anti woke that sort of stuff so we've been you know we've been dealing with. The way in which the election did not go for Henry, especially the beginning of the episode we spend a lot of time slowly zooming in on his paid face as he registers that he lost his seat. But this this presence of the reform party and and maybe as a reaction to the way that labor swept the election inside of this world is something to pay attention to. Rob, how did you feel about the election representation that kicks off this episode honestly I thought like this moment is kind of the secret weapon of the entire episode like this whole sequence of getting starting and anchoring us from a place of like actual warmth between Henry and yes in response to the election. I thought Heather's us to that place makes us wonder the whole up so like how do we get back there how do these characters get back to this space. And I mean in addition it's just like the way that kid Harrington is playing that moment which I agree with you it's either slow realization or he's trying to play our result that he already understands either way honestly to read it I think he plays it brilliantly and frankly this episode is just like some of the best acting overall that I think he's ever done I really agree. Jody any thoughts on that. It's a great point that it is sort of like the heartbeat of the episode is seeing Yasmin's earnest face out there sort of like toddlers and T. R. I think he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that he's trying to get back to the point that in this position of power power. She needs him to have purpose. She needs him to want to like fuck her. She needs him, you know, to regulate his mood somehow. But I like that when he lost here, she wasn't angry or upset. She was genuinely supportive of him, which I really liked. So, yeah. Arlesner Aaron emailed a really interesting, fascinating email about the relic nature of the harpsichord and how it sort of speaks to not that we didn't understand that this harpsichord that's behind cordon off ropes was sort of an ancient instrument, but the way in which it is so obsolete and the way in which that might represent the potential obsolete nature of, you know, the ability in the UK. It's sort of holding on. But what do the Whitney's or the other, you know, members of the industry class have to do with the crumbling nobility, the impotent nobility that we're seeing inside of this episode? I mean, he clearly sees a purpose in it, right? It's like almost the equivalent of bringing the student tour group around to see the house is like trotting around his new potential CEO to open some doors. Like it's a novelty act of access in a totally different way. Yeah. And also, you know, we learn more and more that like this nobility, this family is really just ultimately being supported by media sort of, I mean, old media sure, but, you know, the way in which the family is mostly being supported by the uncle, the way in which Henry's father was sort of driving it into ground, Henry's driving it into the ground. And there's that there's that great line from the whispering priest. I think yeah, he says, we choose to be ruined rather than change. And like that's really sort of the through line of a lot of these kinds of families of a lot of this kind of nobility is like we choose to weather on the vine. Rather than sort of recognize the times. And I don't know, maybe, maybe what we can achieve, Henry, I'm not sure that that one really presents an issue. Shout out to the whispering priest though. Shout out to Count Binface. A lot of great supporting characters in this show. Uh, yeah. Binface, uh, you know, I was like, oh, it's they're doing like a Lord bucket head thing. But I guess Lord bucket head who was like a real figure who ran for election in the UK. I guess I think he had to rebrand. So I think Binface is actually the rebranded Lord bucket face. Anyway, you love to see him there. Um, the fact, correct me wrong because I'm not, um, nobility landed gentry in the UK. But I believe just the fact that the house is open to tours is just a real sign of of financial struggle and like come down. It's an indignity to sort of open up your house to these kinds of tours. So yeah, there used to be a little show on Bravo called Ladies of London. And one of the ladies was a lady. I believe she was like the lady of sandwich. And, uh, like her, her, her, her sandwich. I might be getting some of my details confused because this was years ago, but I did look at you as a big, controversial truth. Sure. Of course, these are facts. You can't check it. It's not available on Bravo.com. And, um, that was like a big storyline is that she married into like this, you know, what seemed like this nobility, this amazing family, but it was like this huge task to keep the family afloat and to keep like these properties afloat. And they were opening up the properties to touring, um, which was kind of shameful, but also necessary. There's a lot for Lady Muck to junk to, to be juggling right now. Yeah. Absolutely. Last, not least. And I thought it was an interesting bit of feedback, uh, that I saw around the old internet about this episode. I love this episode is by actually by some comfortable margin. My favorite episode of industry and, um, just because it has, it has everything. It has ghosts, it has ghost dads, which I usually hate, but actually works really well in this episode and all this other stuff like that. I absolutely really loved this episode. I saw some complaints from people saying, Hey, man, there were no deals done, no business done. And I'm like, absolutely there were like, what show are you watching? Yeah. This is the, these are the halls of power where some of the most important deals happen. They don't always happen on the trading floor. Sometimes they happen at Henry's absolutely shit show 40th birthday, you know, so sometimes they're sealed with a mint, you know, there's different kinds of negotiations. I did, I did kind of have to, uh, chuckle at us trying so hard to figure out shorts last episode. Yeah. And then, and then to be given this as our second episode, which was a nice break given that everyone on the internet was ultimately figuring out what shorts are through Katy Perry and her vinyl's being a flop in a very viral tweet series. I was told the monoculture was dead. And yet we were all learning about this together in Unison. It was really a beautiful moment. Yeah. If you want to hear a full debrief of the Katy Perry vinyl, tweet, lore, you can tune into we're obsessed over on the ringer dish feed where we gave it. The full breakdown yet another podcast where I had to talk about shorting shorting the market. Short selling was by far and away in the most popular email subject that we got from our listeners because they were very eager to educate us. I think we did okay, uh, based on what they said. I think I understand it. We will continue to try to understand the money markets as we cover this show. Um, but as I mentioned, I already I loved this episode. Uh, Jodi is someone who's covered the show more in depth of the seasons and especially watched it transform so much. What did you think this about this episode? How does it stack up to sort of a more expected episode of industry for you? When you said it was like your favorite episode by a large margin, I got so nervous to even have to think about my favorite episode of industry. And then to know, I think what I keep thinking about this episode is like, this is a generational episode of television. I just, I thought it was so impressive and it gave me, um, you know, there's like the popular saying like, Oh, I've never had a unique thought in my life. That is simply not the case for Mickey and Conrad. Like I've never seen an episode of television like this to even have conceptually thought to like take us through the suicidal ideation of, uh, you know, noble British man who just is like was kind of a side character and is now the husband of one of our main characters and to like just give us that detour. I think is such a fascinating creative choice that I still appreciate in this show. I think it can't be my favorite episode because it is not, it's not quintessential industry except that it's quintessential solo episode of industry. I went so far as to say at the bottle episode, but it is very much in that way. Like Rishi's episode, White Christmas, which was so intense, also so unlike anything I've ever seen, um, that I just like, I really appreciated, uh, sort of the courage to like do this, not just do this episode in the season, but do it as the second episode of the season when we've like barely established time in place. Like we don't know where we are. We don't know who we are, what we are, but we know these people and we really know Yasmin and to have that as the on-tree point into like this whole other world and to learn more about her through her extremely sad boy husband is, uh, that is quintessential industry. Yes. quintessential industry. Without a single doubt. I think they play it really well too because there's a version of this episode, any like depression heavy episode can just sort of like languish, right? Like you're, you're struggling sometimes when you're riding around that subject matter to find momentum. It never feels that way at all throughout this entire run. Like it feels weirdly propulsive for a guy who is mucking about stroking his gun, trying to decide if he wants to commit suicide. Like they find a lot of action in what is ultimately a very like interior heavy episode. It's really brilliant. I'm totally with you, Jody, in terms of like the focus of this sort of episode is quintessential industry. I think it's something this show does better than almost than the other one. I like when you think about the solo episodes of the bear for example, I found them like really frustrating the more they did them and the more they did them and more, they felt like a ploy. This didn't feel that way at all. This felt like quality time spent with characters were invested in and became more invested in. I think it's brilliant. I think it's like mean and sharp and also kind of soft in all the right places to be honest with you. The one thing and Joe, you mentioned this is something that worked for you. Ghost dad. Ghost dad really, really took me out. I gotta say it really bugged me. You know, I hate ghosts. Like ghost dad, like everyone has a hard on for Hamlet and they're always trying to do ghost dad and it really bothers me especially when they're trying to try to fool you with ghost dad. They were there. They were there. To really bother me. I know, but like since I since I clocked it right from like here's a pro tip for folks. I saw a lot of people were surprised by this. Here's a pro tip from those of us who lived through the shock and awe of seeing the sixth sense in the theater. Here's something I learned. If no one else is talking to a character and only one character is talking to them, it might be a ghost. And so just like be on the low. Okay, Joe, when did you quite when did you know when did you know ghost? Immediately he comes out of nowhere. He's not in the room. He's not dressed like anyone else. He shows them and then no one is like looking at Henry when when their likes are jostling each other on the side of the table. So like I just I've I got roasted and fooled so hard by the sixth sense that I was like they'll never get me again. So I'm always just like on high alert for ghost dad. Jody, where do you feel like you figured out ghost? Oh, if any of the listeners would like to be comforted by not being quite as sharp and stupid as Joe and Rob. That's why I'm here. And I would sit. No, but because I was like, oh, got it. When I got it, I was like got it. I see what's happening here. Maybe or maybe he's real. I I realized, oh, um, realized in full at the pub when he sort of insidiously whispers, polishes shoes. Yeah, shiny shoes. Shine your shoes. Shine your shoes, boy. And he says that as sort of an instruction to Henry to attack the the town's man, shine his shoes. Um, I said, oh, that's Paul Bettany and a beautiful mind. Like that's actually I didn't and I want to be clear. I didn't clock dad. I said, that's Paul Bettany and a beautiful mind. And I just thought he was some sort of kind of like presence that this that this Henry has felt throughout his life only to then realize, oh, that's his dad. Yes. Which I, you know, clocked just a little bit later. Yeah, I feel like the other thing that calling him commander and not giving him what I'm giving a name. I was like, okay, um, the, okay, so Rob, but you didn't like ghost dad tell me more about your feelings. I think some of it's not even like, oh, it's so clear. You should have been on trip from the beginning. It's so obvious. I think for me, it was more like, this is totally needless. Like you don't need a ghost to tell us this man is haunted. You're already going to show us the flashback of child Henry watching his father go off to commit suicide. And so to me, it just felt so silly to make the episode in some ways about that moment, right? It felt like it was building and building to this reveal that wasn't silly to me because it was obvious, but silly because it was completely unnecessary. So I was a little bit like maybe because I got on board for ghost dad and had kind of the like a more traditional experience of figuring it out for myself. Like didn't clock it right from the beginning. I felt like the flashbacks and like little boy Henry were a little bit the overkill. I agree with that. So maybe like kind of like you have, you know, look at the mirror and take one accessory off before you leave the house. Like you can do one or the other. I feel like they drew out the reveal like once he's like, you know, he's like pulled down the turnalink or whatever and he's like, you know, like that's a ghost. And then we still got the flat back in the wall. And I was I was wondering if it was like what Matt Damon and Ben Affleck were talking about in terms of making shows for Netflix where you have to sort of repeat things five times in case people are looking at their phone. So like in case people are watching in their industry and looking at their phones, don't do that. But in case they are, we're going to make it really, really clear. This is his dad. Do you get it yet? This is interesting. And maybe is what struck all of us as a little bit like left of center for the show because they're so little handholding. I know typically. I agree. And this is ultimately like a small part of the episode. Like I don't want to over index on it because I love everything so much. It just like, I can't say I left a bad taste in my mouth after this week's episode, but like I kind of left a bad taste in my mouth. I need something. Any closure. I think that I think Jack Farthing who played the commander was like very good. And I think there was enough like weird sexual tension between the two of them that just like added this like really fun and funky dimension. I do know that's why my mind did not immediately go to ghost that is when they were jostling around in that in the dining room. I was titillated. What you're just going to kiss kiss kiss kiss. And it really felt like they would like it really. It seemed and you know, we'd been talking a lot about fraternity and like within with between Henry and Whitney. And that is sort of a concept. And to have this very what seemed like fraternal figure come in and sue the Henry with like this these toxic male views and to assure him sort of that his legacy is important. And he can pursue it however he wants. And all you really need to do is live the lie that games you the most. I was like that makes sense. That's a person. Yep. That's not just a ghost that that's a person who I could imagine entering late into the party. I think another thing that I really liked about ghost dad and you're right Rob like we don't need to like spend the whole episode talking about him because there's so much more else talk about. But usually ghost dad is there to like help a character through something or to moralize or to improve or to boost or something like that. And this is the demon on Henry's shoulder is his ghost dad. And that's a little unusual. And so I quite liked that. Yeah, the like hey fuck you know, fuck this woman who works in your house. Why not? It'll feel good. The class difference feels great. Doesn't it? You know, beat the shadow of this guy. No one will care. And actually they don't you know like all this other stuff. It's like everything he's saying is true and repulsive at the same time. And Henry's like worst angels sort of linger around him this Christmas. So yeah, I thought that the Vulture recap compared this episode to a Christmas Carol, which is a story that Jody and I just can't seem to escape somehow. She's popping up in every work of fiction this year. It's not as seasonal as you think. Apparently not. But like this is the dark mirror of it, right? Of being visited by a different kind of ghost that is tempting you into a different place. Whereas you have jazz multiple times trying to talk sense into Henry. You have his uncle like even at gunpoint trying to get him to come out of his fog. You have Whitney making his kind of plea in a way. And I mean also not in addition to ghost data. What I can only assume is ghost priest. Like this, this priest is also not there, right? No, I think that priest is actually there because he's like he just got a way. But they never talk to him. They just kind of like look in his direction in the same way that the people at the dinner party look at the command. They don't I think I think whisper me is actually there. You're telling me 220 somethings are sitting there at the pub at a table with a random priest. It's a cut. It's a cut. It's a cut. Do I understand public culture? I mean, maybe I don't understand public community. I think that's true. That's true. I would like to know if if whispering trees is real something that I was delighted to discover via Katie Baker's recap is that some of his most profound things that he said he's quoting he's paraphrasing Corrin Pancarthy, all the pretty horses and W.H. Audens, Age of Anxiety. So like this guy is just like bringing and he's like he said words that have dropped me comfort. But he's basically just like getting his like Bartlett's quotations out and just sort of like dropping wisdom that he read somewhere, which is maybe what a whispering priest is born to do. But I'm willing to entertain ghost whispering priest. I'm willing to entertain. But I don't think so. But I guess let us know at harpsichordstrap on a gmail.com. If you think this priest is a real corporeal person. Can I take you now to needle drop corner, which is a place that I enjoyed last week and I would like to stay here again with you this week? Please. I'm interested in the music that they're picking because once again, it seems like they picked some music that is trying to teach us about what inspirations they're leaning on for this episode. So we get you and me by penning in the quarters playing when Henry's in the bathtub, which is blue Valentine's straight to my heart like scenes from marriage want to watch a marriage dissolve. You play you and me by penning in the quarters. A song that is so closely associated with that movie. If you've never seen that movie Michelle Williams and Ryan Gosling devastating a film about marriage. But Ryan Gosling found that song out of obscurity and brought it forth for the soundtrack for Blue Valentine and made the widow of the guy who wrote it a lot of money off of royalties because they dug this demo out of obscurity. But I was immediately transported to one of the worst experiences I've ever had watching a marriage on screen. Any thoughts about the Blue Valentine influence on this episode? I think overall what you're talking about, Joe, in terms of the subtle, like just kind of formatting us for these scenes, priming us for some of the emotional beats that we're going to hit in. I mean, just the saddest attempted hand job that's ever been committed to film. Like to make that an emotional moment to make it way as heavy as it does is quite a feat. And I think ultimately like where this episode is so successful is in doing exactly that balance of being like incredibly crude and crass in its way, but also devastating at the same time. And like tapping into Blue Valentine is one way to do that and never actually mentioning the words are making direct reference. Like that's a nice bit of artistry, honestly. It's also like Yasmine in you really think about in this episode, especially when she basically says I'll be the one to kill you. Like she's so powerful. And I've just spent four seasons. It's just the shoes, Jody. It's just the shoes that are diminutive. It's just the shoes. She's so powerful and makes such terrible decisions. Like she never knows how to harness her power. And I am talking about the bathtub hand job, like the mere idea that that that like a sad underwater like aquatic hand job. It's just like the way to revive this sexual union. And this relationship is like, Yasmine, what are you thinking? This used to be one of your skill, like not hand jobs, but like revenue, like what are what were you thinking? That is that is the single saddest thing you can do. And she's desperate. You know what else she wants to do. And when she is back into a corner, that is when she does some of her worst work. But also some of her best as we see over the course of these 12 hours. Another, speaking of 12 hours, this takes place all, you know, on a morning into another morning across one night, one crazy night. Is that all there is by Peggy Lee plays a one-pointing the episode? This was used famously in Martin Scorsese after hours, which is like one of the like best one crazy night films that was ever made. So I feel like that was just sort of taking us through this like drug fueled surreal experience that Henry is having in this episode. And last but not least in Needle Drop Corner, we have like a follow-up from last week's use of the clockwork orange theme because we get jazz suite number two, Waltz number two, by Shostakovich, which is famously used in Eyes Wide Shut. So we've got like double Kubrick in this episode, not to mention all of the like buried, like there's something in Hollywood called the Kubrick Zoom, which is this like slow zoom into sort of a static frame and we get it a lot. And then we got it a lot in the first episode. We get it a lot in this episode. So it's like very clear. And I say this as a compliment. I don't think this is an insult that Conrad and Mickey in writing and directing these first two episodes are like, we're going to get our Kubrick on and we're not going to make it even slightly subtle. This is what we're doing. We're doing Barry Lyndon. We're doing clockwork orange. We're doing Eyes Wide Shut, another traumatizing film about marriage. And so I thought, I just think that's really interesting. I would be interested to see what the you know the song selection, how intentional that is or if that's just like me overthinking, which I sometimes do. But I don't think it's you over thinking at all, Jill. Like if you just told me as a formula, blue Valentine plus after hours plus eyes wide shut, that is literally this episode. So like again, it's just I think structurally speaking, a really smart way to kind of tap into some of these feelings. And also like, especially in terms of the eyes wide shut elements specifically, once we get into the party proper, there's a version of those scenes that feels very stuffy, that feels very put on in a way that it obviously is. But I love like the handheld style that all of this stuff is shot in because it makes it takes what is ultimately like a bunch of rich people trying to get bliss out of their minds at a costume party and turns it into that. Like turns it into like the photo dump at like morning after a kind of feeling of what is ultimately like quite quite much to do. I feel like observing your aunt Cordelia giving auto a blow job is as Fidelio as it can get. Can we talk about Cordelia? Can we talk about Claire for Lonnie, please? Lady Cordelia, Jody Rock Walker, what's your favorite Lady Cordelia moment inside of this episode? I'm so scarred by the final moment that I don't actually know if I can think of a single thing. I like the way that they draw out that sort of betrayal really works because when this woman came talking about how men will always murder you, I was like, that's my girl. This gal gets it. Like you telling, telling, telling Yaz that what she has is not partnership. It's like, yeah. Understanding of the century, but important to say, I mean, she was just like rolling out some bangers. I was like, if I put this into some graphic design as my passion artwork and got it on Instagram to say it doesn't matter how much a man tells you that he loves you. You never give them unconditional love because they will weaponize it. They worship us and tell us their secrets. And then they load us up with their insecurities and fuck all their fears to that into us. And then they kill us. I didn't see the ending coming after that monologue. I thought like, okay, here's a source of strongly worded support mentorship for our Yasmin and I was wrong. Listen, I had a really Bohemian childhood. So it's complicated. No, but I think that's such an interesting sort of generational thing for like, I don't want to paint an entire generation with a certain brush. But I think that there are like some women of a certain generation who will say one thing and then defend the bad men that they personally have known. You know what I mean? Like the bad actors. I'll just, I'll see, be personally and say that I have seen women who I consider like quite feminist, quite progressive, then sort of rally around the men that they know who have been exposed for their like shitty behavior. And I was just like, this actually makes, this doesn't feel contradictory to me. This makes sense to me that she's like broadly. Let me say these things about how men are horrible. And then also let me defend my brother who had sex with me when I was a child. And Rob, I'm interested in what you want to say, but Jody's making a face that makes me want to go to her first. Oh, please do. Oh, I certainly have no idea what my face was doing in that room. I was just thinking about that, what you were saying about. And there's also the aspect of, you know, that monologue that I'm calling the men will always murder us monologue is, it is sort of encouraging Yasmin to want more from her relationship. But it's also sort of, it's not exactly shaming her, but it's having higher expectations of her than this aunt has of herself. I think what we understand is that she is still married to Yasmin's uncle or to her husband, even though she's having this affair with this 29 year old and even though she's, blowing auto in the parlor with the candlestick, even though she's not living the life that she's saying that she expects of Yasmin. And I think a lot of times we want better for younger generations without providing them the world in which they can be better. Like Yasmin's made a lot of choices that have landed her where she is. And we've seen her often, often turned down the more noble choice in the other sense of the word nobility. And choose this life and try to like keep her head above water within it. But we also are always being shown the reasons that she makes those choices because the people around her, the people who raised her convinced her that they were her only protection when really they were the people put in her constantly in peril. And it seems to be becoming clearer and clearer the more specific ways that her father may have been harming her and how she, and how he can, I mean, talking about ghost dad, I mean, about how he continues to harm her and put her in in harm's way from the grave like this man will not die. And she continues to be betrayed by her own family where the hell is her mom. She has this, this aunt who is like, you know, it seems like she thought of as at least someone to sort of look up to someone who feels safe. She invited her to this house for this 40th birthday party that she was scared of how it was going to go. She invited the aunt only to realize the ways in which the aunt has not protected her throughout her life, known the kind of harm that she, the kind of harm she could be exposed to through her father. And she chose the easiest thing which was to do nothing. Yeah. I mean, Cordelia definitely has like cool aunt energy in that way. And which is why I loved her so much that is like my main goal in life. It's a noble aspiration for all of us. And I agree with everything that both you guys are saying. And especially in terms of the moral authority that she's kind of projecting in giving this sage advice, ultimately being undercut by everything that she is and does, the hypocrisy is like that's present through every character in industry pretty much like all of these people are talking out of both sides of their mouth are making moral compromises are trying to believe in one thing and selling themselves short and making deals they shouldn't make in order to continue chasing whatever it is they need to chase. And I think her speech honestly hits me even harder because of that because I think there's a part of her that believes all of these things. And yet there is also clearly a part of her that is whether it's pragmatic or otherwise making these concessions to auto, making these concessions to her husband. It's like it's the acid dipped version of like the America for air speech in Barbie. And it hits in like a really, really visceral way that I mean, incredible writing. And frankly, I didn't know that Claire Forlani had this in her in terms of performance. I've never seen her do anything like this before. Well, this is me Joe Black Aracier. Meast. Meast. Meast. Meast. Meast. Meast. Meast. Joe Black for the record. Terrible movie. Very, very bad. What a scorching hot take from. What a brave of you to come for me, Joe Black. It has its defenders. And I don't know, I don't know where those people are coming from. No, but there in Harbs Accord strap on it. You know that. I can't wait. Where they're going to be. Courage. If you if you have a full-throated defense of me, Joe Black, I would genuinely love to hear it. But Claire Forlani comes in just like with a ton of energy with a top like I again, changes the course of this entire episode and throws like Yaz in particular, a character that I can't help but root for no matter what decision she makes. Like I'm invested in her story and her journey. And I think Cordelia is what kind of spins her around the most in this episode weirdly enough. Between Cordelia saying this thing about, you know, men historically, men will murder us. This is historical truth. And then Yaz at the end of this episode telling Henry like, Hey, you do this again. I will kill you. I will fucking kill you. So are we being primed for one muck or another to to kill someone inside of this season? And then what do we make of the amongst the various shitty descriptions of of Yaz men in this episode? One of them says she's floating around the house all sad and angry, which is very gray lady. Like is she the titular gray lady, of course, we hear about the gray lady in the tour. The gray lady is like a common castle man or kind of ghost. But is Yaz men in her own way? Like the gray lady of of this episode, the ghost already. I really hope not. I hope this isn't what it is. I don't think she's going to die. I don't only, you know, like what is the show without her? I don't think she's going to die. But like, could you see her killing Henry? Is he just going to kill himself? If I were making a con right, I would not want to get rid of kid Harrington on my show because he's freaking phenomenal. But I don't know any any thoughts on those little breadcrumbs. Well, I think that like what the show often asks us to think about. And what this episode like quite literally says is like, well, at what point do we die? Do we die when we stop breathing? Or is this man already dead? Did he die when his father died? Like how do we affect the generations below us? And no, I don't think that Yaz or Henry probably are going to die within this season. But as intense as it is when Yasmin says and sort of like compelling and moving as it is when Yasmin says, you know, if you're going to die, I'll kill you myself. It's Yasmin. And we know Yasmin. And we also know Cordelia now. And that's Yasmin in, you know, 30 years. And like, it's a lot of talk. And it's no change. It's she is in no better spot than when we found her. She's in a worse spot. I keep thinking about that line from the priest. And I don't know if this comes from one of the source materials that you mentioned, Joe. But when he says we choose to be ruined rather than change, that is what I'm always thinking about. These characters is in industry is I'm obsessed with them. They are telling I can't stop watching. They never change. They do not learn lessons. And if they do, they leave the show. It's like we had a great story line in Rob and Rob let the show. Love you Gus. Miss you. I bet you're doing better. We stick with people who do not change. And I think like you said about Cordelia, she can believe she really can believe those things. I think she believes those things that she told to Yasmin. But we will always betray ourselves. And generally when we betray ourselves, we betray others as well. And how many times have we seen Yasmin do that exact same cycle to the curtain closing made or the woman that she hired who heard the rid of her stewardess from the yacht. Like the, oh, now her name leaves me. But the young woman who worked at, at pure point, who, like, Nisha, who, who, who, Venisha, who, who's like, I don't think I should be getting salads. And yes, like, that's just what I did. So you have to do it, you know. So you do it. And if you don't, if you don't, a lot of times it's like, if you aren't harmed in the ways that I was harmed. If you stand up to the shit that I tried to stand up to, but you actually get somewhere with it, that's a betrayal to me. And I'm real in the ladder right back up. Absolutely. I'm simply assembling the glass ceiling. And I don't know to like, to, to paint that storyline, tell that story, paint that picture in this episode, I think is pretty wild. Like the, what they were able to do in the Henry Muck, not really a bottle, but sort of a bottle episode, like everything else that we're learning and observing. I think it's really interesting that you bring up Rob and Gus, because another, another sort of fast of this episode that I want to eat, you guys are, you're lashing onto this idea of like, we'd rather like ruin ourselves and change. I think when you coming in and saying you're just telling the wrong story was like a real thesis statement for me inside of this episode, inside of this show, because that is what Eric has been telling Harper from the very beginning, which is like what the market is. The market is telling a story. The market reflects the anxieties of the people with the money and all that sort of stuff like that. So how can you spin them a yarn that gets them to do what you need to do them to do inside of the market, but to expand that inside of this big sort of like America versus UK idea that we've been working with since Harper showed up at the very beginning. Harper shows up writing her own story. She pretend she graduated when she didn't, like she's come across the pond and writing her own story, even though she gets exposed, she's still written her own stories to success versus the way in which inside of the UK, these things, the entrenched class warfare just follows you. Rob looks the part, but he has the wrong accent, right? Gus has the right accent. Like they're, you know, they're just ways in which these people are just coded in hardwired in a way that Americans, at least in the UK, are free of. And that wasn't necessarily the argument that Whitney was making. He's like, I don't know if there's second accent America, but there are in the UK, but he's just like spinning a yarn for Henry. And what's really true is that Whitney has showed up in like a barber jacket as if he's like Queen Elizabeth going to Ball moral. Like he has costumeed himself in like a nobility on the countryside. And he is, you know, telling Harper about how he in a very creepy way used like sort of people's anxiety around the death of loved ones to make his fortune and all this sort of stuff like that. But that idea of like the American self-made man versus what is mobility inside of the UK versus Yasmin being, you know, called lower class with a Northern accent and other things that I don't even want to repeat into a microphone. Like that she is as rich and posh as she is to Jody's point of the beginning, she's on the back foot here. So I just think this idea of like what story can you write for yourself? And then what are you even allowed to write inside of the UK class system for Henry Muck who has this genetic inheritance of depression and noblesse oblige and all these other things that come with being cemented into a spot from birth inside of the UK versus how the Americans can be a bit more nimble inside of this narrative. Do either of you any thoughts about that? I mean, many. And I think the show does, which is part of what makes it like buzz throughout this episode in the fashion that it does, like managing the tension of like what which of these problems are actually real and which of them are imaginary in the way you're talking about Joe and the way that the market is imaginary and the way that it all is mood and humor and like the impressions that people have versus that genetic inheritance, right versus something you were literally inheriting from your parents versus whatever expectations you had impressed upon you that you can in fact over time shed yourself if you work hard enough to do it, if you separate yourself from your dad's suicide, like you may not be able to fully cleanse yourself of the depression that actually think this episode is like like some really smart things to say about the way you incorporate that sort of like mental pain into your life, right? That it is not about trying to bury it. It's not about even trying to process it necessarily. It's about understanding what it is and putting it in a place where it is workable for you and yeah, exactly. I love like and getting yourself out of the forest and out of the fog in that particular way and clearly there are parts of this that are just all storytelling and I think especially for wealthy people in any country that can cover up a lot. It can explain a lot but then when you get into that next stratified tier as you're talking about Joe, there's just a different story you have to tell and there's a bunch of other storytellers who know exactly what you've been doing and know exactly what it took to get here and they see through your bullshit in a totally different way because they are mired in it. Well, and it's storytelling but it's also sales which is like all way up to the story of industry and I mean it is notable Joe as you were talking about it that I was kind of thinking like Eric Harper now wit me the people that we are sort of told and see be these really electric sales people all American all sort of bringing that different facet of we tell these stories about ourselves and then we sell them to someone who will believe them like when wit me draws the parallel in Henry's you know outrageous family estate as they're looking at like the romance art and he says Nietzsche killed God factory started burning coal it was game over for community but just the beginning for men like us and Henry has to wear with all to be like men like us what does what does he ever heard your shoulders but he says you want something you don't have I want everything you have already that's all the fraternity we need and finding the you know the strivers in our industry community Eric Harper Whitney finding the the bits and pieces of fraternity that they can pull on I remember auto said that to um Harper at the at some point within last season about why he liked her he's he basically said um we're the same like we are now I can't remember quite the word that he said but um but even that in retrospect jody was just another story right that's just him telling her what he thought she wanted to hear so she can be the face of his fund basically right and this is something that it the show's done from the beginning like thinking about how Yasmin and uh Harper first meet is in the bathroom where Harper is listening to Yasmin and another woman that they work with talk about how Harper has the quote unquote best story because she is like a young American non white nose ring like all the you know they're just like how do we compete with this narrative around Harper like how do we compete with that and they see the things that she feels like she is working against as an advantage because there's just this great narrative behind her and I just like Robbie you alluded to this great uh quote that uh Jennifer Bevin um who was our politician at the table who gets accosted by Henry says to his uncle the viacown she says economics is a question of public humor and moods and it's a question of tone right what story uh are you the media spinning uh and how is that impacting and creating a recession uh by creating panic and all these other things yeah and I mean Jennifer Bevin is part of this conversation too about these sort of like interlopers right who are at this party I really think it's Harper it's Whitney and Jennifer Bevin three people who probably don't even know on some level why they're here and yet they're all after something and they come in presentationally very different Whitney is like playing the part putting on the costume wanting to ingratiate himself to this world I think Harper not dressing up or I mean look she's in cloaks and like she's not here yet appropriate completely and and that's a flex in its own way right like for her I think it's an expression of power and for Jennifer Bevin it's like a half measure right it's like I'm here I'm here to not quite just moving I'm wearing a blouse yeah that's how you'll begin it I'm here to flatter your impressions of the world and your perspective but you know we're not going to go I'm not going to bend the knee to ultimately like the old media and these are also three people that you see doing a lot of eye acting like they're like we we flashed that hand that steady cam flashes every once in a while to one of those three people to be like we're seeing it too yeah I would love to know both of your thoughts on when Harper and Whitney are discussing the aforementioned I love to talk about yeah you know really only in America to really profit off of the funeral industrial complex in the way that Whitney did via venture capital what what are we seeing in Harper's face because I would say the Ick that's what I yeah from that is that not what you got Jody what did you get I was concerned um I maybe it was the Ick but I I almost felt like she was being won over I think I've had this feeling since she met Whitney that she in some way saw him as an equal and I think that's very unusual for her we've seen her mostly be very um kind of demeaning uh to to the men that she dames to sleep with and this was a different more intimate situation kind of immediately and also that she would have seen him as an equal and then he asked her to peg him I think would have quite done something for continuing to see him in a unique and interesting way and so I felt like she was kind of um maybe not charmed by the story but I felt like she was playing koi in a way I've never seen her do why and then she was mad at herself when he walked away that's what convinced me was the little was the was the when he walked away like what like why am I feeling this we've seen her so few feelings certainly not any positive ones I thought her like rejection of him was like a clear like I've gone off of him but you're saying she's playing the game oh no you know okay when you're when you're serious about someone do you know you got at least wait till the third date post peg uh so that they know your series it's so it's a saddened three dates after peg foundation yeah three dates then three stories together again on top of the peg foundation which is a strong you know in every part partnership it's a strong foundation this is the real girl math as far as I'm going to talk about this formula before well I have a question for you and I don't want to get too personal but my memory is that like you're the Mahoney family business is connected to like the funeral process what did you make of this of Whitney's sort of mercenary approach to this I mean look I can't support the bare bones in if you'll allow it of the entire business of the model of taking all of the personality and care out of ultimately like saying goodbye to someone's loved ones that said you're not doing the uber for funerals no they're not investing in that not quite my mo okay but but clearly there is a market for it right there there is a certain percentage of the population for whom it's just like can we get this over with Whitney identified it he is gross for doing it and I think that's why like ultimately as far as Harper's reaction I kind of I kind of do come down more on the excite of things I do think I mean look it as the commander puts it like there's a nexus of a rousal and discuss this probably tapping into both of these feelings for her in some way or another but yeah even for a character who I would say Harper is mostly like pretty amoral like she is exceedingly practical in like goal oriented whatever it takes something about Whitney in this moment seemed to like be a little beyond some kind of pale and I don't even know what it is especially when she's she has or is on the verge of getting more information from Jonathan Byers of Stranger Things about like tender and what's going on there I'm I'm wondering if if Yasmin has established Henry at tender and this is very important to her in terms of like his productivity or something you know is it is desperately important to Yasmin the Henry succeeded tender so she is a stake pro tender and if Harper is on the lookout to short tender does that put Harper and Yas across purposes this season well Joe winner they not across purposes well sometimes they are and sometimes they aren't and I'm wondering I'm actually furthermore wondering if they're going to be at cross purposes and then united in taking down Whitney you know what I mean to save Henry and also to make Harper a profit this is always me just wanting people to work together I just all through succession it is foolish of me but it's not to say I always want to have that very endearing but if we if we are talking about Harper and Yas we have to talk about just the briefs theme of them you know doing a few lines to get through the day and the absolute nerve but also sort of endearing of Yas with cocaine on her nose I'm a dias wig on her head to after Harper says just kind of gestures around and it's like I just feel like all of this stuff is not going to get you the respect that you deserve and the nerve of her in that outfit in that state to say why would you say something like that you know that alert my feelings she's like you know it's totally normal that I like to dress up as princess Diana Marie and Twine when I do cost you why would you say I'm not going to get the respect I deserve totally fine maybe it's the husband too it's just paneless in this very room baffing those exact lines a couple moments ago but yeah something tells me it's not all going to work out okay for Yas. How dare you suggest that I deserve more than I have which I also know is less than I deserve and in the proposal of my marriage of convenience I said Henry I deserve everything you did and then things and then I had the best sex of my life on the wedding night and then things immediately went off the rails how dare you closest thing to a best friend I've ever had say I deserve more how dare you know me this well how dare I be perceived that is literally actually Yasman's tagline it's like how dare I be perceived how dare you see me um I want to I just have a couple more things I want to talk about before we go we've already sort of danced from this idea that Kid Herrington is fantastic in this episode and as a long term Game of Thrones enthusiast I have I have a couple questions for y'all if you'll indulge me absolutely first of all our listener Cole wrote in to say I find it absolutely hilarious that while Henry is on the at least heroin and pills for what seems to be months now Kid Herrington and the bathtub is still more ripped than 99.9 percent of the world will ever be and honestly I don't care that's television baby so if you'll indulge me on the throne's front what made you think most of Jon Snow was it um well let me stop you there Joe it was spring is coming how could it not was it winter is coming versus spring is coming that's one option was it uh Kid Herrington showing you the hard work that he's done on his glutes uh what she liked to do is Jon Snow as well um or was it him hitting a person in the fate like shoveling someone's face didn't it as Jon Snow did famously in the battle of bastards like which was it violence was it sex uh or was it the tagline of spring is coming versus winter is coming jody walker i'll tell you right now it was that but um heated rubbery's impact it was when he stood up out of that tub uh glubs glistening um I was like that's Jon Snow and then he put like a demure hand sort of like touch behind the the bum oh yeah don't look too long yes um the hands behind the back is just a beautiful moment yeah like it just physical act and great that really was like the only time actually that I thought of it I think like this performance is so different even though it's like south way all over again you know but it's totally different I think of Jon Snow very little during it except like there was something about that which wasn't very performance based which was just so like took me right back I had a similar moment in season three when he and yasmine were in the like hotel uh swimming pool and it was steaming and it was very like yes johnny gret in the cave and then he like got got out and once again showed us that but um to respect kid herrington I want to say I think his performance here is incredible I think I don't know how much of this is is something that the you know the creators have leaned into but kid herrington has been very transparent about his like battles with depression and battles with substances as as they pertain to sort of his fame and the pressures of that and so the way in which had the opportunity to be an incredibly personal performance for him and I just really delivered Henry is the kind of person I root for against my will but I am oddly rooting for him I did not want him to end himself uh in that garage and uh I'm not foolish enough to think he's going to succeed but I I don't know why but I wish him well and that's down to kids performance I think I mean that's the whole show right like none of these are people I want to be friends with they are all so Henry would you say more sure but like they're all on paths of self-destruction in different ways it's just like whose fuse is shortest and it looked like his fuse might be quite short right it might be in within this episode following in his father's footsteps he finds a kind of rebirth in the same way that Yaz does and the same way that they do within their marriage but the result of that is him pitching oh maybe we should have a kid and maybe start the cycle all over again doesn't that sound great for everyone involved but God help me when Yasman's voice saying his name is the thing that brought him out of uh you know the garage filling with gas and sent him into the circular driveway screaming her name and then he fucked her against a car while his uncle watched and she watched the uncle watch I thought this is romance um like they're alive they're like romance is alive and that was another one of my 2026 string prediction romance is alive and well in 2026 and it is kind of like eat your heart out weathering heights like this is goth modern gothic romance yeah and for me that felt like really a couple of things felt really cemented by this strange was it the blood smear on her mouth that was giving uh first speaking of saltburn saltburn for you or like how did you feel about it first it was when he touched her hair behind off of her face with his blood covered hand and I thought this is gothic romance I did not expect that to then escalate to her case kissing his other hand where the blood is fresher smearing her lips with blood and not wiping it off and I just stand there that's part that's actually partnership korea doesn't know about that that's partnership um and I just thought like I never would have expected in the first episode of this show to be watching the gothic romance in industry season four and I think that's so cool and it also has sort of also opened up the other part of the show to me in that way as well like there are a lot of parts of industry that are a ghost story there are a lot of parts of industry that are a gothic romance um and that are sort of like extremely traditional in some of their tellings and extremely modern in other ways um and so I'm almost like I walk out of this episode like really excited to watch the rest of the season on the ghost story front I will just say the way in which like Bill Adler is haunting Eric uh this season is interesting to me and then the way in which it all started with Harry's death in the very first episode in the way in which that was just sort of hovering over all of his uh classmates uh if you want to call them that uh as as a story progress Rob what did you want to say about that I just think in terms of for one turning these not just from ghost stories but like twinning the daddy issues between this couple and these two characters and kind of driving them in parallel and I feel like specifically the hammer lines we have not mentioned yet the cordelia line about how your father told me he was going to terminate the pregnancy until he found out you were a girl kind of paired off with Henry himself saying like do you know what would have been a more loving gesture from my father of the sector me right it's like they are they're weirdly in similar places they're weirdly kind of cursed in in their ways that they're trying to get out from under I don't know how successful they're going to be but I love this sort of interrogation of those ideas I love the idea of those as being like a driving force that's bringing these two fucked up people together within their fucked up relationship and you're right Jody the idea that we're getting into it so early in the season I think it's part of the magic of it this is not an eight episode season where episode seven guess what we're going to swerve and we're going to tell this sandalone story that you're never going to expect as we've seen in every other prestige show to date right it is table setting right it's understanding these people as we reshuffle the deck as we as we change everything about what the season is going to be about as every season of industry does this is where these two critical characters are it puts really important emotional stakes on Henry's success or failure attendor right because like if they just brought Henry on board after seeing what happened when he was in charge of a company last season we would just be like here we go again why do we why should we care he's just going to fail again as he says inside of the set but now I I don't want tender to succeed it's going to make me sort of root against myself I don't want tender to succeed because I don't trust Whitney at all I don't know what's going on there's deep shady secrets going on here I want Harper to succeed and if Harper success requires tender to fail that's interesting to me but I also want yes to be happy and Henry to succeed so I mean no one's gonna get what they want this season or ever Rob you paralleling those lines is so well as you well know men are obsessed with legacy and women are obsessed with not being murdered and I think like the the absolute controlled insanity of having an hour before said the kindest thing my father could have done was get a vasectomy and then to have ever so briefly come out of his sort of manic depressive haze and said I think we should have a baby um well he's not out of the haze that's the manic part I want to get to that I want to get to the second before we we wrap up with that can I just want to beat on the jazz and hailey scene because Kirin chupka is in this episode in a northwestern sweatshirt yeah uh what do we make of that exchange they're reminding us that this character exists okay I didn't yeah I didn't draw a lot from this to be honest with you I'm curious if the invidelity clause counts if you sleep with a woman who you cannot get pregnant you know or cannot get pregnant yeah usually why an infidelity clause is it well I don't know about nepotid those in general but in terms of like nobility yeah usually to preserve the line so like I didn't I plugged in our usual on nobility law like you know marriage law specifically um you know not my that was your minor in college yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean my my main takeaway was um that they were just establishing some sort of confusing sexual tension maybe like yasmine in fighting her into the bed and the sort of but it also felt a little bit akin to the relationship that yasmine had with her former boss sort of mentor that international woman of mystery um is like okay is yasmine actually oh Celeste is yasmine actually um you know wanting to maybe like have this girl in her bed or is she just challenging her like is she just yeah challenging and sort of pushing and confusing like yet another um young woman it did seem like a challenge it also seemed like girls got needs and you know Henry hasn't quite come around yet he's off in a garage somewhere come around great phrasing okay so listen um Katie Baker the great Katie Baker did interview Marissa Bella about the final mama when Henry's like should we have a baby uh and this is when Marissa Bella plays uh yeah said that uh she's the word delusional mania and said quote she's never going to be safe with this man again so if that's not the I don't know what is um this was a hard no from yes like blood smears still in her face so uh cue cue the pet shop i mean it's a bad time there's huge are you fucking kidding me vibes in that moment right like after everything these two characters have been through for that to be his revelation embarrassing frankly for Henry but you know who's to say well we come out of our long crazy nights with we just have to like you know men are just gonna fuck their fears into women and continue the tradition anything you want to say to me i mean the you know the thing about me is that i can never let yasmine off the hook either though and it's like yeah um Henry came out of the garage and immediately said i should procreate yasmine you know got laid on the car and immediate was like well guess things are all better i think i'm going to write choice here i think when i created this marriage of convenience i actually made the right choice and so i'm going to strap on my headscarf i'm going to kiss my husband's bloody knuckles and everything's going to be fine and like two seconds later she is just always realizing i made a huge mistake it is an incredible gift of that character um all right jody walker can you remind folks where they can reach us with their thoughts on um you know ghost ads um harpsichord strap-ons anything else uh they may want to talk to us about here we would just love for you to email us at harpsichord strap-on at gmail.com if you need the spelling you can tune into youtuber spotify to see that on video right now or you can google it or maybe it'll be in the new york times crossword this week one can dream i do want to know just for people who are listeners only strap on no hyphen in strap-on just harpsichord strap-on straight up as as as customary and if you did not watch this episode on video what you missed towards the very beginning was jody silently miming the way in which lady kordelia spits the mint out of her mouth uh in um yeah this direction it was an incredible piece of podcasting and jody we're so grateful to be doing this i'm sorry i'm making this face again i'm thinking of thinking about what she said again everybody was talking about taste way too much oh yeah um thank you to robohoney thank you to auto for always packing men's yeah for the taste makers really that's why he dies if we're if we're laying down there who's going to die i auto hope it's auto yeah uh we're dare to dream well he's already got decency and go straight to nani again and then in which case i would choose that uh thank you to ashley smith and david runaldo for the work of this episode thank you to jess and sales for his work on this feed in general and we'll be back with more industry next week uh the episodes a little late this week just because monday was a holiday but usually we we're aiming to have these out on mondays and then we'll also have an episode of course about the next episode of the pit out later this week and that is what is happening on the prestige feed and we'll see you soon bye you