Ghost Photography

Hi there, I'm KTown and on this edition of Mysterious Radio. The End Alright, thank you for joining me tonight for another edition of Mysterious Radio. Tonight my special guest is Tim Skullion and he's written a book called Haunted Historic Colonial Williamsburg, Virginia with breakthrough ghost photography. And this book is available right now on Amazon and paperback. Tim is a published author, musician, and photographer with a bachelor's and master's in education from the College of William and Mary. Tim released the first of his new series of books featuring paranormal photography in the fall of 2016, the world's first photographic study of ghosts taking over two years and over 10,000 photographs, the best of which were chosen for the book release that we're going to be talking about tonight. One thing's for certain, there are some authentic photos of spirits captured on video and also through photography so I'm very happy to have Tim on the show. And I start off by asking Tim where did his idea of ghost photography come from? The End Well, that all came quite by accident. In fact, if anybody had ever told me that I would be doing anything with ghosts a decade ago, that told them they're crazy. But I have a background in teaching. I've got a bachelor's and a master's degree from William and Mary and I had taught public school for about a dozen years and I got out of that and I went into the tour guide business. The company that I asked that I was working for asked me to do ghost tours and I did not really believe in ghosts but they said it's a way to make extra money so I said fine. So I learned the script and I passed the test and I started taking groups of about 25 people through Colonial Williamsburg and telling them the scripted stories that I had memorized. And about two weeks into that, I had somebody, they were taking photographs of one of the places that I was talking about and this lady turned around with a big smile on her face and she marched her iPhone right over to me and she showed me a full-bodied apparition of a ghost that she had captured on her cell phone. Me, the unbeliever, the skeptic, I was quite shocked and it got me to doubt my own skepticism. And so that happened several more times the rest of the summer and it wasn't always a full-bodied apparition like the first one. Usually it was spaces in the windows but it happened several more times not with any regularity, not with any predictability but it happened enough that by the end of the summer I was a full-on believer in ghosts. Okay so let me stop you right there real quick because okay so she showed you what she had captured and you said you saw this several more times throughout the year so was that from your, I mean did you experience that or are you saying it happened several more times from other people that were on your tour? From other people. Got you. All right go ahead. So that was enough, there were enough experiences from other people that I became a believer because of them. So that said I decided at the end of the touring season that what I would do would be to go down to Colonial Williamsburg and go to all the places that I had seen people capture something on their cell phones only with professional equipment and I should be able to get something much much better than what they were getting on their cell phone. By the way this was in 2011 cell phone cameras were not as good as they are today. So first night out I went around Colonial Williamsburg and I must have taken about 300 pictures and I did not get one ghost so I was kind of discouraged and it took me about six and a half weeks before I came back to try it again and that night I got something in fact I got something at the first place that I stopped at which was the Old Bruton Paris Church which is why I began my book with that with that particular building and I've been hooked ever since and so I've taken thousands and thousands of photographs in every part of Williamsburg and I've eventually branched out into other areas of the country but Williamsburg was the place where I was first shown that young ghosts really exist and I can get photographic proof of them. Alright now I'm interested in the equipment and the technique if any that you use to actually capture these apparitions can you break that down and tell us a little bit a little bit about that? Well I've got first off I started with DSLR cameras and I experimented with different camera bodies and different lenses and I've got to say that the particular brand of camera or the style of the camera is not really relevant to capturing the ghosts and in addition to that I've modified some of the cameras so I've experienced, I've experimented with different colors of light for example infrared ultraviolet full spectrum and of course I started out with the visible spectrum so all those different types of light but I've got to say that ghosts make appearances in all of those different types of lights so it doesn't particularly matter what type of a camera that you have. Alright very good now okay so let's let's talk about some of the first images you were able to capture can you tell us about that I mean was it like full on color or was it just you know outlines or or what were you getting exactly? My first ones were full on color but I've since discovered that ghosts appear in different ways for example if any of your listeners have ever seen the movie Predator sometimes ghosts can just appear as almost a clear or opaque outline and you have to look really hard to see those. In other cases they will only appear in white light or sometimes only in ultraviolet or in for red light and a lot of times they will appear in windows with just their faces and a lot of that has to do with the ambient colored light in the surroundings what color they appear in and finally the the rarest and the best photos are those with full color full-bodied apparitions that are appearing and these are the rarest but boy when I get them I'm a really happy camper. I'm allowed to see this so is there somewhere online that we can see those or I mean are you posting some of those online so people can see. Yes I have a blog where I post some of these photos and I also have a website on Facebook where I post some of my newer photos where your listeners can get to that's a Tenska line author on Facebook just look that up and you'll see some of the latest photos that I've captured and like I said before the blog and that's at the Tenskalinewordpress.com and there are links to the the blog on my Facebook page to make it easier for anybody but yes there's lots of photos posted and some stories outside of the books that I've written that your listeners can go and see some of the stuff that I actually captured. Okay now I'm interested to know like were there any stories behind the ones that you were able to capture. Oh I've got lots of stories. Well one that did not appear in the book is one of my most profound stories and that was at a haunted road that's just outside of Williamsburg and this road is called Crawford Road and it's got quite the history. Now if you go all the way back to the Revolutionary War it was where the French army was stationed when they were attacking the British forces at Yorktown and then if you come forward to the Civil War back in 1862 the Union army was there and they were attacking the Confederate forces again at Yorktown and after the Civil War there's reports that this was a road where the Ku Klux Klan performed a lot of lynchings and then if you come up to the current day there have been about four or five murders on this road usually by drug traffickers because it's kind of out of the way and it's a place where evidently they eliminate people that are stealing or who are not listening to their direction. So that said I went to this place to try to capture the ghost. Now the legend says that there was a woman that was being forced to marry someone that she did not love and so because of that instead of actually getting married she ran off and supposedly this happened in a wedding gown and she hung herself from my bridge. Now I wasn't sure I couldn't verify that story historically with anybody so I just went there and I began taking photographs with a few other guys that accompanied me because believe me this road is desolate and it's got a bad reputation because of the drug deals that happened there. So that said when I went there we actually heard screams. We heard three clear screams as we were there taking the photographs and the first scream sounded like a woman that was running from somebody and as well the second scream and the third scream kind of like made us all feel like she had been captured and it was like her last gasp of freedom and so what was really unusual about the screams were that they were not on ground level but they seemed to be up in the trees. This is a forested area over the road and she seemed to be way up high screaming down upon us and so that was one of the more haunting stories that I've ever that I've ever actually experienced and we actually heard the ghosts. We had three people there and they all heard the ghosts alongside me and I captured an interesting photo of a man kind of looks evil at that point and I would say the dress is late 1800s so it's quite a profound experience and it was one of the first times that I actually heard audible sounds coming from ghosts. Well let me tell you something. I took some some time to look at some of your photos and they are unbelievable. I haven't seen anything like this ever. I wanted to ask you about the photo with it looks like it's like clear as day. It's like a guy that looks like he's in like period clothing and he looks like he has on like one of those black hats and he's got a something around his neck this white you know what I'm talking about and he's like looking around the corner. He's in all black he has a hat on and he has one of those. He looks like he's from I don't know what era but it's definitely not anything modern. It's like colonial times to me. No well if you're looking inside the book what chapter are you on? I'm actually looking online at your photos online. Yeah it's uh let's see here I think it was on WTVR I guess she was on um let me see here while we're just chatting. That was a news channel. Okay so Richmond Virginia had you on there and this is from 2018 and so right there on the very front page is an image of a I don't know I've never seen anything like that. It was I don't even know how to explain it to you Tim. I thought maybe you might know but you probably got have so many of these images there's no way you can like keep them straight in your head but it's still. I'm not recalling that one in particular but I've done a few television interviews and I've had quite a variety of different photographs that they've shown so I'm not quite sure which one you're referring to. Okay so let me ask you this um I'm wondering um have you captured images or apparitions of children? Absolutely and let me tell you a really cool story about one that I captured. It was during what Colonial Williamsburg calls grand illumination and it's a it's supposed to be the first Sunday in December and it's where they open up for the Christmas season and they do things like they put a candle in each window of every historic building in Colonial Williamsburg. They have the Fife and Drum Corps out and playing. They have in some instances church choirs that come out and sing 18th century Christmas carols and they also have fireworks and this has always been a good opportunity for me to go out and get some ghost photos. Evidently the ghosts like to celebrate Christmas too. So that was walking down the street. I saw several of the Colonial Williamsburg interpreters dressed in full 18th century clothing and they had all gathered to talk around the storefront and so I took several pictures of this group of interpreters and what I found was at the back of one of the women that was standing there and she had one of those big full long gowns that spread out and there was a child ghost right at her back and it was just as plain as day. I put that up on one of my blogs because it was so profound and yes I've captured quite a few others. In fact recently I captured a little girl that was outside and sitting right on the entrance to the they have those diagonal type doors that get down into a basement of one of the historic buildings and she was just sitting right there on top nonchalantly like yeah this is what I do in the afterlife. So quite a few children. Interesting there. You know you're actually the first person that I've ever discussed any type of hauntings around the Williamsburg area so I mean in your opinion on a scale one to five how haunted is it? I would say it's one of the most haunted places in all of the country and I have since been to other places in the country and I can verify that with all the photos of ghosts that I've had and you have to consider the history of the area. Now Williamsburg as a city started out in 1699 so it was quite early on in American history and you have to also consider the effect of the two wars the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. Now the Revolutionary War there are several sites here in Colonial Williamsburg that was functioning as hospitals because this was the nearest place that they could take wounded soldiers from the war from the Battle of Yorktown and so these sites are still standing and they're still quite haunted. For example the Christopher Wren building in the President's house on the campus of the College of William and Mary and also the Governor's mansion. Now that has been rebuilt because the original burned down right when it was functioning as a hospital and some folks seem to think and I'm quoting from a newspaper that the arson was involved in that but regardless of the fact that it has been rebuilt it is still quite haunted so evidently the ghosts feel quite at home in the newer version of the Governor's Palace as they did the older version. So that said we take the deaths from these wounded men that died here in Williamsburg because as you well know the 18th century did not have that good of a medical practice. So we go from there to the Civil War. Now the Civil War came to town May 5th 1862 and there was a large battle and I'm not talking let's say Gettysburg proportions but it was a large battle and there were 3,843 people that were casualties of that battle and there were over now the Union had over 114,000 men that they landed down at the Hampton area at Fort Monroe and the Confederates throughout the battle they had anywhere from 45,000 to 70,000 and that left quite a shall we say a paranormal impact on this quaint little colonial town as well because just about any of the houses that were standing at that time were used as makeshift hospitals and some of them were just the soldiers were just resting there from their wounds but there were also other places that were active hospitals and when you're talking about hospitals during the Civil War a lot of times you're just talking about doctors that were taking off arms and legs of men that have been shot and had their bones shattered and that was the only solution. So you take that 1918 there were somewhere around 200 people that lost their lives due to the flu pandemic one of the first ones from the that our country had ever experienced it was the Spanish influenza and so that left a lot of people dead and you consider that plus the fact that this place has so much history and just people living and dying in the area and you have all the recipes for a really haunted place. Interesting there now Tim do you think you're capturing intelligent hauntings or do you think this is just the residual energy that they left behind? I would have to say yes and yes in some cases they're aware of what I'm doing and in other cases they're just going about I don't know if they if they think it's life as they know it or if it's some sort of a cycle of things and let me give you an example of that. I captured this is in my first book this is at the jeez I can't remember the name of the house but right around the corner of the house on the back there was an African-American man and he had his hand over the mouth of an African-American woman and they were standing at the back of this house and it looked like he was about to do something violent to this woman and did not have a good-looking demeanor he has red eyes and he looks rather angry and I do not usually do any type of local communication with the ghost but I had a fella and he was from the army stationed at Fort Eustis and he read my book and he wanted to come up and he wanted to do the electronic voice recordings the EDP so he came up and he actually had my book there and he had it open to that page and he started asking the ghost questions and they actually gave him intelligent answers about what happened at the back corner of that house and the first question he asked was who were the people at the corner and the answer that he got was Angelina and Addison and evidently back in the 18th century Addison was a popular name for African-American men which I did not learn until I had an African-American woman on my tour one evening but that said the next question he asked is what happened and he got some it was broken up into several different phrases so it wasn't just a complete sentence that he captured but it said that it said that Addison had taken this woman Angelina and got a rope, noose around the neck, drug off so evidently Angelina met a terrible end and perhaps that was a intelligent haunting but they were trying to relate a story about how this woman Angelina met her end and it was quite interesting that I was able to through this soldier able to get a backstory to the photo that left a lot of people kind of creeped out whenever they looked at this at this particular photo because the guy really looks menacing that's got his hand over the woman's mouth. That's wild oh my goodness so is that in your book? Yes and that's in my first one if I had it in front of me I would tell you the exact chapter but it's quite that is one of the more profound photos in that book because it just the implications are so frightening and after I got the message from these edps from this used to soldier it made it even more foreboding. Yeah totally understand that that is creepy as hell. Now your equipment since many believe that you know that these apparitions need to draw some type of energy source to manifest at all I mean are you experiencing power failures or the draining of your camera batteries at any point in time? No I haven't but I see I have a tour here in Clonnie Williamsburg and what I do is I take people around and I show them the photos that I've taken in front of the various houses and one of the most notoriously haunted houses in Clonnie Williamsburg is the Peyton Randolph house and that is haunted by malevolent entities so out of this you said that's the Peyton Randolph Peyton Randolph correct and so that is I would call it one of the most haunted places on the east coast according to my experience and the ghosts there are not nice and so that said excuse me my lunch is talking back to me so that said the Peyton Randolph house it has spirits there that not only have I seen them drain the batteries out of the Christmas candles as well as people on my tour but sometimes it will drain the batteries of my computer notebook that I'm showing the folks the photos that I've captured of the ghosts within there but lots of stories from Peyton Randolph house I'll tell you one of the most interesting from there is about a former slave woman and her name is Yves and Yves tried to escape her life of bondage there at at the Randolph house twice and both times she would have been whipped and brought back and of course she had to continue her servitude to them and what is interesting is that Yves is supposed to be one of the people that are the aggressive angry spirits at Hauntas Place and when you look back she probably had good reason because not only was she whipped and by the way when a slave was whipped back in the 18th century and the 19th century it was anywhere from 20 to 39 lashes and it's your blood so it was not pretty but that wasn't enough for the woman that was running the place see Peyton had already died at this point and Mrs Randolph was a very haughty entitled woman and she wrote in her will that Yves was to be separated from her friends and her family at the time of her death and sold off separately and so Yves had two sons at that time so that made for a very angry mother that was separated from her sons and never got to see her family for the rest of her life and so a lot of the interpreters at Colonial Williamsburg have claimed to that she is the one that is pushing people while they are on the stairways and it's usually people that are dressed in 18th century clothing aka the interpreters the people that are working for Colonial Williamsburg and not people in modern clothing and so that said whenever they are on the stairway they have cautioned each other to always hold the handrails very tightly lest you be pushed and there is a story in the early 19th century of a young girl of about nine or ten she was one of the peachy children and she evidently was pushed on the stairway and she fell down and broke her neck and again the people that are living there they insinuate that that's Yves at work so well one of one of the times that I went through the inside of the house now I've got to tell you listeners that I usually capture the ghosts on the outside of the house whether in the windows or right around the perimeter that I decided to go in and since Yves was one of the personal servants of Mrs Randolph in other words she had to wait on her she had to sleep right outside of her bedroom and she had to wait on her hand and foot for everything that she needed personally and so that said I took a picture several pictures inside of Mrs Randolph's bedroom now I could not go in but from the doorway I took the photos and I found in the mirror a rather angry looking African-American woman she looked kind of young I would say 20s or 30s and she was in the mirror staring right back at me and immediately I got the sensation that that was Yves and several other photos that I take and she appeared differently now the first time she appeared in the photo it was almost her whole body that you could see it could see that she was wearing some sort of 18th century clock hat and the dress and then the next couple of photographs it's like she came up closer to the mirror and all I could see was her face and her head but she was looking rather angrily at me and I believe that she realized that I was there and what I was doing there. That house sounds amazing I mean so it is a resident right I mean a residence for someone someone lives there it's not you can you can't tour it or anything like that? No you can't tour it and here's the story about Colonial Williamsburg most of the homes that are there are not houses that people the tourists normally go through and they are occupied by Colonial Williamsburg employees for the most part and so the ones that are not are used as either a bed and breakfast type of a deal one of them is used as a place for special guests of Colonial Williamsburg that have contributed a lot of money but the Peyton Randolph house is one of the few places where people do not live there and they do not stay all night there and Colonial Williamsburg will not admit it but the reason for that is that the place is so doggone haunted that nobody has lived in there since the 1960s early 1960s and the last people that came and visited in were in that house and now again I'm talking the early 1960s they left in the middle of the night and they refused to go back in to get their luggage they were so scared so it's got a reputation. Yeah yeah sounds like it now is let's talk about your what time of day you go out I mean is there a preferred time of day that's best for capturing them on a camera or no? When I first went out I thought I could only capture them at night and I had watched some of those ghost shows after I started and it said that there was the be-witching hour of 3 a.m. where is supposed to be when a lot of the ghosts will come out and show their faces so I thought originally that that's when I had to go out but I found out that it doesn't matter what time of day there are ghosts are just like the human beings that they once were they some of them are nocturnal and others are diurnal and so it does not matter certain ghosts are going to show up during the daytime and certain ones are going to show up at nighttime. I'll give you a perfect example is I was hardly ever able to get anything at the governor's palace or the governor's mansion at some refer to it and one time I went there like 3 30 a.m. and that seemed to be when the ghosts were up and they were all in the windows and outside and I was able to capture quite a few impressive photos of ghosts and probably the most shall we say profound of those photos was of a man. Now usually when I get a face in the window now I'm not talking about full-bodied apparitions outside of the home but just the face in the window it will be just a headshot but in this particular instance this man showed up and I got his whole upper chest which was naked in his head and his head was leaning to the side a little bit and his neck was elongated and immediately upon seeing that photo I thought this guy has been home. That is I just got a visual on that that is crazy have you ever captured an image that just scared you scared the hell out of you. I'll tell you one of the most profound I can't say that it scared the hell out of me but it realized it made me realize that there are evil entities and I was able to capture a photograph of one and it was even more profound where I captured it and I was at the Bruton-Carris church and this was after a Christmas Eve service and people were streaming out of the church and as they were streaming out I was taking photographs and I noticed that there were as many ghosts coming out of that church as there were living people but the most profound moment was when I captured something on the bench of the church it's just right outside the church there's just a small bench maybe a max of two people could sit on it and on that bench there was an image of a what looks like a dragon or a gargoyle I'm not sure how you describe it you could look at it in that book and see what I'm talking about now it I captured it as it was moving so it almost looks like a double exposure but you can nevertheless see that it is a rather red image of a dragon like face and the whole body isn't apparent just the head sitting on top of that bench but the the timing of that thing it was waiting outside that church for these people to come out of that Christmas Eve service so I thought that was quite profound it's just like evil is just outside the church and waiting to get a hold of one of those people that were walking out yeah yeah wow um uh let's see here do you mind uh Tim talking about your guided tours a little bit I'm wondering first of all I want to know if you still do it and then can you tell us like uh just tell us about some of the more you know prominent spots hot spots for paranormal activity in that in that city sure I have two tours now well this past summer I wasn't doing much touring because of the COVID thing however they did pick up in September and October when things started to open up but that said I had one of the most interesting places for everybody is they always want to hear about the Pete and Randolph house so that was that's always last on the tour you know that's like the the culmination of the best photographs and the best stories that I have because that place is so profoundly haunted but that said we do have a jail here and that jail was built all the way back in 1704 and it is original and I've had quite a few interesting experiences from there that's the first place where I've ever been touched by a ghost and it felt like it felt on the back of my spine I felt it at my neck it felt like a deep freeze like I was my neck was in a freezer and I tell people when I tell the story that I do not believe that ghosts are actually cold beings they're electromagnetic in nature and so what they're essentially doing is they're drawing your energy out of you so they may feel cold but they're not actually cold they're just sucking the heat energy out of you as a way to perhaps make an appearance or make some sort of sound to let you know that they are there so that said one of the most interesting photographs of the year I did not take it was a woman on my tour and she was taking a photo of me giving my spiel about the jail and as I was talking she took a photo of me and I had there was like 30 people in that tour that particular night and she kept her just with a cell phone a ghost you know it's just a face of a ghost sitting right on my shoulder by the way for your lynch career listeners are very interested in seeing that photo if you scroll down in my facebook page you'll be able to see that but that ghost was sitting right there as if he's listening to every word that I was saying so people like to go to the jail site because that originally housed Blackbeard's creed when Blackbeard was taken down this is in all the way back in all the way back in 1718 now he was killed by Captain Maynard but his crew once they saw that their fearless leader was down they surrendered and so they brought all 15 members of his crew back here to Williamsburg and imprisoned them and put them on trial so they actually stayed in the Williamsburg jail that is still standing so that that fascinates people and it also fascinates them how these pirates back in the 18th century were put to death because most people if they had the death sentence they were just hung the pirates they had a special way to well to take their life and that was they would get down to what was called Queens Creek and it's not really a creek it's a tidal river basin and so the tide comes in and out during various times of the day and what they would do is they would put stakes in the water for these men and they would tie them to the stakes at low tide and of course when high tide come in they would be drowned so they would be in the water for hours waiting for the water to creep up their body until it finally went over their head and drown them so this is this is quite shall we say a psychological way to intimidate people into not being a pirate because back in the 18th century executions were quite well attended and so I'm sure this put this made an impact on anybody considering piracy as a way of life when they would see these men have to wait there for hours and hours until the water came up and actually drowned them so like I said the jail is one of the more interesting places I also have to put the church that church was built in 1715 and as I mentioned a few minutes ago it is an active church they have they have ceremonies there all the time and that said the it has a graveyard outside it now the graveyard appears to be rather small but I've been told by people that work in cloney Williamsburg that people have been buried there for years and there are like 3000 people there and it doesn't look that big but I've also discovered that a lot of families maybe they're buried on top of each other you know exactly you hit the nail on the head families would have one vault and they would stack the members of the family right on top of each other in the vault so that place is really haunted and I've probably captured as many ghosts there at the church as I have at the Peyton Randolph house but the third place is where I captured one of the most amazing photographs I've ever taken and that was the powder magazine now this was built all the way back in 1715 too and this is a place where the Virginia militia would have kept its armaments and everything the militia would need to get on the road and so I'm not just talking say rifles and gunpowder and bullets but I'm talking things like tents and tanteens and barrels of gunpowder and just virtually anything that they would need to make trips out of Virginia and you have to consider how huge Virginia was at the time particularly at the time of the French and Indian war which was 1754 to 1763 and so there was a lot of equipment and a lot of gunpowder and guns and bullets that were going through this particular building out because Virginia at that time encompassed all of western Virginia, Kentucky, Ohio, most of western Pennsylvania, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin all those states out to the west that was all considered Virginia at that time and so during the French and Indian war they were operating all of this military activity out in the Midwest from this powder magazine right here in Colonial Williamsburg. So that said I had taken quite a few photos of the place and I could never get anything and I was so disappointed because I know that the place is so very historical and I know that George Washington had been in and out of this building so I really wanted something there for my first book and I couldn't ever get it until one day I stopped by and there was a group of school children there. Now the school children were participating in a program set up by Colonial Williamsburg where they would learn how to be in the Virginia militia you know it was just like a 30 or 40 minute program where they would go through different exercises to learn for example how they would march, how they would hold their weapon, what kind of orders that they would hear. So they were there to participate in that type of a program and I stopped and I just took an overhead photo and the whole area was filled with massive orbs so I decided to stay and a few minutes later the reenactors marched out and again on that photo there were massive orbs over these three reenactors so I stayed a little bit longer hoping for something even better and boy did I capture the best photo that I've ever captured. I actually captured the whole militia of ghosts up against the E-powder magazine wall. They were all lined up in formation as if they were ready for maneuvers or ready to go out on some sort of a mission and it was interesting to me that the fact that this pomp and circumstance of the ceremony and these children brought them out because as I said before I had been there so many times and I never captured a thing. I couldn't even capture an orb there. Now all of a sudden I've captured more ghosts than anyone has ever captured in a single photo before and what was interesting too is the fact that I found out that just by eavesdropping and listening to these kids talk that they were all from Southern California in the very next week there was another school group coming from that same district that were coming to Colonial Williams Park to participate in the same thing. So I was out there with bells on next week because I was wondering could I capture the Virginia militia twice at this place and I did and they were in a little bit different position but you could see the ghosts are plainly lined up against that wall in military formation and what was even more astounding for me was the fact that just a few minutes later when those kids were invited to go into that yard to start their activity that the militia malin broke ranks and they surrounded the kids and that's in my book too. So a really profound moment that really cemented the idea at least in my head that ghosts are attracted to youth. This is all very interesting. I'll tell you I am really really impressed with the pictures that you've captured. I've been looking at them and I do recommend anyone to pick up your book if you're interested in learning more about how you know Tim has done this and you've gotten three you've got three books out on this particular subject so far or more than that. I just thought I saw three on there. I have three but let me explain that for a second. I have the first book on Colonial Williamsburg, the first edition and I got so many more better photographs that I put out a second edition of that first book. I put out a second book that among the features in it are the whole ghost militia that I just spoke about and the ghosts surrounding the children and the third book is coming out this spring and that's going to be on the whole state of Virginia. I decided that I had gotten so many questions from people, well Williamsburg the only place you can get ghosts that I decided to expand out and capture ghosts in the whole state in some of the most haunted places there and I'm actually working on a fourth book right now and what that is is I'm going behind the paranormal ghost shows and I'm getting the photos that they did not get so I'm going to some of the places that have been shall we say more infamous as far as hauntings go and I'm following the various shows. For example I've got here in Virginia I've gone to the Edgewood Plantation where the Ghost Hunter show was. I also went to the Bell Grove Plantation and that's where the not only the Ghost Hunter show but the Kindred Spirit show was. I went to Washington DC at the Weems Box Museum where the dead files that appeared and I went up to Pennhurst Asylum in Pennsylvania and just about every ghost show there is has been to that place and I've been to some places out in Arizona in Nevada where the ghost adventures crew were at so I've got about a third of the book done and I'm just getting the photographs that these guys did not whenever they were at these places and I've gotten some amazing photographs so far so I'm anxious when this COVID virus thing lifts to get back to work and start going around the country and getting more photographs at these infamous places. Awesome now how can people keep up with you? I mean do you have a website or social media you can tell us that? I've got a Twitter account, I've got the Facebook account and the Facebook is probably the most interesting. Tim Scullion author because it has a lot of the photos that I've taken lately and it also has links to my blog and I have written background of a lot of the post of the posted photos that I've have on the blog and I also have a website called Ghostographer.com but that's dedicated to my tour and if people are interested in that I'll be opening up sometime in the spring as soon as this COVID virus is finished and I actually take people around and show them the ghost photos and not only do I show them the photos but I encourage them to take photos of their own and I've had several hundred people capture photos of ghosts that are quite good and they are also on the Ghostographer Facebook page too. Alright so I will make sure that I have all that in the show notes for you Tim. Many blessings and I do appreciate your time. Thank you so much I enjoy talking with you. Alright thanks again to my special guest Tim Scullion. His book is haunted Historic Colonial Williamsburg, Virginia with breakthrough ghost photography and that is available by paperback on Amazon. To find out more about our guest and all others please visit our website at mysteriousradio.com.