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And as you all remember from my interviews with Michael Cohen, he's always said that he knew nothing about Jeffrey Epstein. Never heard a thing. There was nothing to it. The Jane Doe case that he worked on, it was all bullshit and it was dropped and this and that. He told me it was bullshit. Take care of it. I said, okay. That was it. That was it. It's bullshit. He said it's bullshit. Never happened. That was really quite revealing. But then get this. After that, Cohen says that the New York County District Attorney Alvin Bragg and the Attorney General, Leticia James, pressured and coerced him into an anti-Trump testimony in the Hush Money trial. If you remember, he was the star witness. Obviously, this comes at a very good time for Trump, right? This is super helpful because that case is out on appeal. If it seems that the star witness was pressured and coerced, throw the case out altogether. It's a huge favor to Trump, right? And then that's where the next wrinkle comes in. So Lev Parness said that Cohen has been working back channels to get to Trump through the White House to personally request pardon. And he even wanted to go through George Santos to ask for advice on how to get one. Lev says he has receipts. It's a pretty wild interview. Lev even pulls up his phone. I do some texting to ask George Santos and Michael Cohen, their version of events. But yeah, this has all happened in the past few weeks and Midas Touch, which is the podcast network that was carrying Michael. They dropped him after all of this. So this is a pretty crazy interview. You get to see some live reporting. I'm trying to get down to the bottom of this all. I mean, Michael clearly has helped Trump. And if he's looking for a pardon, this would probably be a way to get one. And he knows Trump better than anyone. Let's not forget he worked for him for many, many years as his fixer. So take a listen to this interview. I'm desperate to hear what you think. 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And she's been fighting for their story, for their truth to come out. And sometimes you never know where that thing might happen. That pops the whole thing wide open. And then something crazy happened with a regular interview that she was doing with Michael Cohen. And then she asked a regular question. And from that regular question, folks, here we are. We are now in the middle of something I think that is very big. Something that is not just that this is not something where it's me or Tara or anybody against Michael Cohen. This has nothing to do with Michael Cohen. I want to make it very clear this has to do with Epstein survivors. This has to do with Justice for the Epstein survivors. And it also has to do with accountability for the criminals and the people that have been covering up and involved in this for a while. And one thing that I want to make sure also is that there's a lot of things going on back and forth. Michael Cohen is trying to make a claim that we are accusing him of something. Nobody needed Tara nor is that nor myself nor Ali has ever accused Michael Cohen of anything except for not telling the full story. We deal on facts. The facts are folks that Michael Cohen's name is in the Epstein files. It's black and white. There's no question about it. And it's not just a name. It basically says a letter from his attorneys while he was incarcerated at the time of Epstein's arrest. Basically saying to the prosecutors that Michael Cohen has information about Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. That's black and white. It's in the Epstein files. So that's one thing we need explanation. We need Michael Cohen to tell us what's going on there. Number two is Michael Cohen was working for Donald Trump as his fixer. And today I put out a video for those of you that some of you might have forgot who really Michael Cohen is. And it shows you a CNN outtake of Michael Cohen threatening a reporter asking him a question just like Tara did about at that point the rape of Ivana Trump. And Michael Cohen just like he unleashed on the reporter there unleashed on Tara. And you could see the true Michael Cohen that nothing changed. And I put that out there today because Michael Cohen at that time in 2016 when there was a actual case filed by a minor, a 13 year old, Katie Johnson. She was Jane Doe. She filed a case three days prior, X amount of days prior to the election. All of a sudden the case was dropped. Michael Cohen was his number one fixer at the time. Since then Michael Cohen has been telling a story. One story he's been telling to Tara. He's been telling others about this other Jane Doe, about another case. And even though Michael thinks that it somehow whitewashes him, but it's even worse because he's telling Tara and all of us basically that there was another child. Basically saying that she was raped by Donald Trump and that he basically sent private investigators to look to find her. So this is how this all started. I'm giving you a pre-empt and this is how we are here today. So those are facts. We need those two things. If anything else on the record, Michael Cohen explaining exactly about this Jane Doe, which nobody else seems to find. There's no record of another Jane Doe, another case file. And this is he needs to go on the record and he needs to go on the record under oath explaining what it is he was going to tell the government about Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein to be able to get out of jail and get rule 35. So Tara, I brought it up to you. Tell us what's going on. Yeah, I know. I think it's interesting. I saw over the weekend that my touch this Saturday no longer want to produce a show with Michael Cohen on their network. And you know, this isn't like a witch trial. It's just, you know, what do you know? What do you not know? I think it was pretty clear from the beginning of our conversation when he said, I know nothing. I know nothing. And then by the end of the conversation, he cracked and admitted that he knew this one case, but it just didn't make sense. It didn't make sense because like you said, we haven't seen this doc, this case on the docket. And so I called around to other lawyers who were doing Epstein, you know, cases at the time to see if they were aware of this. Because, you know, when there are new dockets on the file that involve Jane Doe that mentioned Jeffrey Epstein, lawyers, they work together. You know, that's like they try to figure out if they can help each other on the case. And none of them knew about this case. I was also kind of disturbed, not kind of very disturbed to hear that his way of handling it when President Trump told them to handle it was to send a private investigator, which is exactly why, you know, women, file and men as Jane Doe's or John Doe's to protect their identity so that private investigators don't harass them, don't find them, don't shame them, don't threaten their lives. And so a lot of these women who are, you know, sexually harassed and abused by Jeffrey Epstein, like he used private investigators to harass them. One of them, Jane Doe won. Courtney Wild said she was nearly run off the road from them. And she was a teenager at the time. So, yeah, it was really disturbing. He said in his interview with Joe Walsh that what he was offering the feds was the Jane Doe. Jane Doe, great pick up. Yeah, but the thing is that the way he described it to me is he said it was bullshit. So like how could that, something, a story that's bullshit be valuable enough to the feds that it would trigger Title 35 and would reduce whatever sentence or whatever sentence that he had by providing information that was so useful to the feds that they could use it in another case. So I think ultimately, like if that is true, if they were being honest with the SDNY, which I would have to assume his lawyers were being honest with the SDNY, then they have very valuable information that the public should know about. And I just found it to be very suspicious when, you know, Michael went on TV and was constantly saying Trump did nothing wrong with Epstein. I just know it. I just know it. I need to say why. There were no follow up questions. And I just felt like it needed a little bit more explaining because at the same time when the Katie Johnson case came forward, he was also dealing with Stormy Daniels, Karen McGeagle. These were the cases that he dealt with. So he definitely had had at least some context or knowledge of a very prominent case that was filed three times with very big lawyers, like heavy hitters, like Lisa Bloom behind her. And so at the very least, he would have been aware of it. He's like, I know nothing. I never talked to Trump about Epstein. I know nothing. I know nothing. And it was just like, the man doth protest too much. And then we found out that there is some case, but it doesn't. I'm not sure if it's real. Or if he just made it up because he felt like he was under pressure and he felt like he had to say something but knew that he couldn't talk about the Katie Johnson case. The video you posted this morning, though, of him, you know, screaming at a reporter, I mean, I've been on the other end of a call like that. We get back when he was still working for Trump and I was a White House correspondent. So, you know, I think a lot of reporters understood that like it was his job to protect Trump at all costs, which is like something you never really forget when you're on the other end of a call like that because it reminds you that like that that was his job. And so therefore he probably likely had more information than he's saying. I would just like to know a docket number. I'm sure he has notes somewhere and could tell us a little bit more about this Jane Doe case. It's pretty critical. It's not like we're just talking about not that any rape by any man is right, but we're talking about you know, protecting the most powerful man in the world at one time. And so it's kind of it's very critical. I mean, it's why the Epstein story has captivated the American public for so long is the sense that it has that the rot goes all the way to the top. And so if there's anyone who understands and knows that it would be him of all people. So I think that's what we're getting to now. It's Michael fear for his life. It's Michael fear. Does Michael see an end game where he switches sides again? I don't know because I did think the timing was interesting when he'd said that Tish James pressured him to testifying against Trump and obviously that testimony that that that could be used in an appeal then Trump is trying to appeal that that ruling and so he can say star witness was pressured. Suddenly, suddenly he's helping Trump. What does this mean for him and his future legal problems? Like there's one thing I think we know about Michael is that he's got a lot of legal issues to deal with. And so being on the right side of the most powerful man in the world is not you know, a bad thing. Now, I don't want to speak for him. I don't know exactly if he is being completely honest and says, yeah, it's just that he's been so all over the place. Like even the prosecutors in the email that they exchanged the SDNY when Michael claimed that I've been pushed by them, they were like, but can we really trust him? Like is he credible? And I don't know. It's to me like I'm not going to say like who can be a you know, an independent journalist or commentator or pundit but it's just so all over the place and there's a lot of like what's going on there and I don't really care if it attacks me personally because that this is very it's kind of coming from the territory of being a journalist. Yeah, but you know, he shouldn't Trump should nobody should have a right to attack and do the things the way the tactics that he used and he just shows you more and more of Trump. And I first of all, I want to say we have close to a thousand people everybody if you haven't yet make sure to go subscribe to Tara right now she has been on this from the beginning between the work that she started it. She's she's been on it. Then Ellie came in found some more stuff and this is what independent journal is in and she knows Michael going back like listen to the story. So you want to especially as this go story uncovers make sure to give Tara follow. Well, Tara, let me tell you what I'm hearing and why how give you a little background of what's been going on and why the timing it's it's not coincidental because me and Michael have been going at it behind the scenes because I've been also hearing from my sources on the inside of the White House that Michael's been reaching out to Trump that he's been trying to somehow but Trump has been ignoring him. Michael doesn't really have a good chance because Michael even reached out to me and tried to figure out if I had any contacts that he could reach out to Trump and try to figure out what it is he could give Trump to be able to get a pardon. I remember having that conversation saying Michael you're crazy. I said when was this conversation? Do you mind me asking? This was a few months ago. A few months ago and I remember even saying I think it was right around the time when he wrote the first letter with him and Jesse Jackson about that that didn't get too much press. But if you remember he wrote a letter about the pardon that Biden didn't pardon him and that him and Jesse Jackson were going and he was trying to get me on board with that. And I thought he was crazy and I said to him I said Michael I have a better chance of getting pardoning by Trump without even speaking to him than you do. I remember having that conversation. I said to him you really you know the Stormy Daniels case it wasn't just a financial case. I mean there's a lot of people the kids were involved. I said you know Melania I said you have zero chance and he kept telling me no if I find the right thing what to call and I could get to him it will be you know I could get to him. And when the paperwork dropped when we first because first we went at me and Michael got into this whole thing after what happened with you what happened with Zeb with Ellie we started going back and forth. He got my son involved the Midas guys we had this whole big outburst and but we didn't have a smoking gun until Ellie's subscriber found that you know memo in the Epstein files that had that conversation about Michael actually having information about you know Epstein Trump and when confronted like you know everything else Michael tried to squeeze a lot of it squirm a lot of it. I at the time was confronting him behind the scenes telling him listen I know you're trying to get a pardon and use it. And that's when basically literally that day he wrote the letter about Tish James and about or a few days later I don't remember the exact days of the timing but he wrote the letter. And one of the people that I'm hearing he was dealing with talking through is George Santos where he was looking out to get help. So I don't know if George Santos wasn't the actual guy. Wow so he was asking George Santos for advice on how to get a pardon from Trump. Yeah. That's pretty amazing. Yeah. Michael if you are listening I mean I've almost got a text to him about this. Do you mind? Maybe he'll respond. I feel like that's pretty. Ask him. Go ahead. Ask him. Ask him. Did you? Yeah. Go ahead. Just ask him like this. What's your relationship with George Santos? I mean that is crazy. I'm expecting. Hey Michael. Did you ask George Santos? Idle money lies in your current account picking crumbs out of its belly button wondering should I eat them? But when you start investing with Monzo your money is always busy. It turns on regular investments, invests your spare change and tops up your stocks and shares. It even helps you make sense of risk and return. Monzo the bank that gets your money moving. You could get back less than you invest. Monzo current account required UK residents 18 plus T's and C's apply. No he's going to respond. Just ask him what his relation with George Santos. First give him a little because like this he'll just say you know you know what I'm saying to you. Is your really? Okay I'll ask him. Yeah let's see how he responds to that. Hold on. You know what's even. Let me ask George. Yeah. Say hey George do you know do you have? Journalism in action. This is how we play. Question. Quick question. Did Michael Cohen? Oh my god this is insane. This is how politics works in the Trump era right? Yeah say did Michael Cohen ever discuss pardons with you or anything now prior to or before you go to prison or anything? Somehow like that like posted. Pardons yeah. Wow. Sorry guys I just want to like figure this one out. You'll see because this is not yeah we don't have a confirmation. We're trying to confirm it. This is what I said. Yeah yeah yeah. I want to make sure that we talk about it. Yeah like I heard that's what I said. We don't know for a fact that George is the person but let's see maybe right here live. That would be awesome yeah. Journalism in action. But yeah so he basically is trying to do it backfired big time. Trump responded obviously but he didn't get the response he wanted. And obviously I think he put himself a little bit in peril with that because for him to go out right now. And I know Trump's going to use it anyway. I heard Trump's already you know basically trying to get go after Leticia James and maybe somehow use it. And also use it like you said for his appeal that he has going on to get those cases dismissed. But it also puts Michael in the kind of a jam because then he would have had to have perjured himself understand. If he would have actually did those things. I again I spoke to say I don't know I'm not a lawyer. But it gets very very complicated about saying you know especially after there's so much video of him coming out and praising Leticia James. And Alvin Bragg of how great that work was and how incredible. You know what you want me to text George also while we're doing this. Yeah he's out. He's got a question mark. I like I'll just say let's see what George says. Okay let me see. This is amazing. Wow. Yeah hold on a second. Yeah no he said I want to make sure you have the right person. Oh wait am I texting with you. Yeah I got George. Yes yes I heard he said yes I heard he was asking you for advice on how to get a pardon from Trump. Which his response makes me think. I'm telling you. Yeah. Or who knows. We all put them on a group text like you said. Wow that was great Tara. I love him. Yeah. This is what I'm talking about. Bill says we're watching. Yeah. Yeah. Hey guys you know what we'll have George on here believe me we don't play games. He said it's bad info. Yeah okay yeah okay George. I'll give George a call also. I mean if you find the if you get the message. No I'm not. Have it. That's great news to you. Yeah I'm going to push this. Especially if he his first response to you was LOL. And then yeah okay. He just got the wrong person. Yeah. He said I met Michael once and it was on election night at the studios of Channel 4 UK. We do election night coverage in 2024. Okay. Oh now he's playing a game with you. Now tell him actually I heard that I have sources saying that Levin introduced the two of you. That you love and Michael Cohen actually that Levin introduced. I have a source that says that Levin introduced you. Can I just say Levin said that he introduced you do? Yeah. Oh I thought that you were. Oh sorry just say it yeah go yeah. Levin said he introduced you do. I think. Yeah go ahead go for it yeah. Well I play games. Yeah. Oh let's see what he says. How George Santos, Michael Cohen walk into a bar, we'll start talking to the pardons. He said no conversation ever happened. Okay. Okay watch this. Okay. So Levin always has the receipts. Levin remembers. Levin has receipts that's going to be your new one. Yeah. Hold on a second George. Lisa goes the real sleuths of sub-stack. This is hilarious. Safe to say I spent the last year focused on myself. Oh now he's. Well he was in prison so it's hard to with my mountain of stuff that's true. Can I get a finger this up? This is amazing. Okay so guys you know how Levin has the proof? December 2nd, February 5th. Oh George said if I knew how to get a pardon I would have gotten one for myself because he just got a comment. Tara read who's George Santos and whose number I sent him on what day. Go ahead. George wow okay Levin has receipts. Oh my god. George has gotten into some shit. Stupid George. He might be playing on the technicality. He did get a commutation not a pardon. Hey we just broke some news guys. This is serious stuff. George Santos is just lied to Tara. What was his response like when you said to Michael like you were like hey. George texted me what are you doing? I thought you and Michael are friends. Oh let me show you that text. Is George wants to go that route? You know guys I never play games. I know. Oh no this is like I know. Why do I even bother? He said not denying having it I just never had the interactions he's leading you to believe my dead. So he says he has your info. The info he just didn't have any interactions with him. Tell George that you're a good talker George. Say can I have you and love on at the same time let's do an interview. Come on sub-stack now. Would you like to say love is inviting you on with him right now? Love wants to have you on. Wants to have you on this live. Spread the word kids we might be getting that. That sounds hard we might get George. We might get George on. I guarantee he's texting Michael right now he's like oh shit. Oh crazy. You know what I understand is why do they lie? Like he could have just said yeah I spoke to Michael and that would have been the end of it. But why lie? Like why turn around and say no I don't. Now all of a sudden first he went from he's never spoken to Michael. Now he's gone so I've gotten the information but I didn't use it. He said that he's not sure why you're looping him into this but everyone seems to want to backtrack their trashing of POTUS. He said he's not going to come on the show so got it. Okay we tell him we understand. Understood. Somebody say he'll be on live tomorrow with Michael Cohen. Guys how do we ever see with that programming? That would never. No never. This was very unexpected. We just went on some you know inside you know sources told us this is what's going on and we did some journalism work right here. Tara called and confronted them and you saw live what happened. Well yeah we might get the answers from Michael later today if I do hear from him. This episode is brought to you by Simply Safe and this. Simply Safe On is the sound of peace of mind. Simply Safe sensors, HD cameras and 24 seven security monitoring protect your home inside and out against breakings, fires, water leaks and more so you can relax. Visit simply safe.co.uk slash pod for an exclusive discount. Stay tuned definitely make sure you subscribe because if there's you know we're going to be breaking it. Me and Tara will go live from wherever we are but you know what what what's what has Donald Trump and Michael Cohen why this is so such a big situation Tara and why Cohen it has a big Cohen would have told about Trump. When people don't understand this Cohen is not stupid he understands that if he tells on Trump it's like Samuel de Bulgarano telling on Goddie yes did he get Goddie in prison well did he get less time off but everybody still understood Samuel de Bulgarar killed 19 people he was a nasty human being same thing here he would have to admit that he was the one that did the things to Katie Johnson he would have to admit that he was the one that whatever it was paid her off threatened her talk to he he would have to be the one and he he understands he would never yes that would get Donald Trump in whatever in trouble whatever but he also would have to pay a heavy price and maybe with this family maybe with the world whatever it is but that is what that's the secret that's holding them together. I don't understand why I go out and talk about Epstein if you know you're so tied to it. That thank you thank you so much because that's that narcissistic like you know like you know forcing it compulsion yeah like a compulsive liar. And then also it's like you know people like that the reason why they do it is because they're con artists and it's because I've been a lot of con artists you know you guys know my story I've been around some of the biggest con artists and the biggest crooks and mafia bosses all over the world and that's part of the theory because he pushes something onto you which he never thinks you could prove. Trump does the same thing if you know this a lot of time because like he's pushing out because he would never he never thought that that one piece of paper would be would come out in this dump of the Epstein especially with one percent just think about the chances out of that whole dump we're getting a Michael Cohen letter about Epstein and Trump like what are the chances of that terror that's like getting a needle in the haystack so he didn't think and he knew the other thing is he knew that Trump would never allow anything to come out that would have his stuff in it so he he assumed that's either getting scrubbed he assumed that's either going to get blacked out or he assumed he's going to get destroyed because Trump would never allow Michael's comments to because the other thing I heard from some insiders terror which I'm you can also look into maybe speak to some of your contacts and the DOJ is that there was another proffer and that's why we're looking into at least looking into the dumps and then we see and that's why coincidentally I don't believe all of a sudden they came out said they're not giving any more remember right after two hours this happened right after Michael wrote that letter by the way so what I want to say to you is what I'm hearing is that after they came back and said to him no they're not they're not listening to him his attorneys went back to Michael and Michael gave them a little bit more of a proffer so then the attorneys came back with a proffer a little bit you know to to start the conversation so there was something that was said and is on paper about you have you've heard that that's what I've heard that's why that I spoke to Ellie and that's why that's what I'm saying I'm telling everybody check your source and what I'm hearing is there was a follow-up conversation that that wasn't the end to that because Michael was trying very hard and I have proof that he continued to try and get the it ended up in the Epstein files right anything right it should be there and that's why I think they stopped it I think they're looking for it I think Trump I think I think I think they're looking for that follow-up because that that's the link I think that because that's the whole link and you know I don't have the smoking gun on that but this is where where where I'm hearing and what I'm what I'm looking into that's why folks the biggest thing you could do to help us with what we're doing is we have a petition out there right now this petition is to be able to right now yes we Congress should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time while they're out there fighting to be able to release all the Epstein files and which we want everything but while we have this one percent we know for a fact that there's at least three people in there that are considerably named besides Les Wexner and others that we know are just the regulars we know Steve Bannon we know Michael Wolfe and we know Michael Cohen now we know these people are named in the Epstein file we know these people have information about Trump Epstein and a lot more than they're talking and they should be right now being deposed they should be deposed right now while we're waiting for the rest we shouldn't have to wait for everything and then get this whole dump of convolution we can walk and choose gun do you agree with me Tara yeah no I agree I totally agree I don't I think I don't know why we haven't heard these tapes that these that these men are holding on to I think they'd be really valuable not just I think that they're trying to like profit off the tapes that's the problem um sick the other thing I was think so just to be clear Michael asked you for George's number and you said to George here's Michael's number I don't remember exactly who's I'll check my taxes but yeah I know put you this in the three of us spoke together they're full of shit like I mean we've spoken like I think George or Michael even gave me Matt Gates's new number at some point when I was wanting to go I believe me if they're gonna go that route we'll blow I got text messages I you know how we don't play games Tara so like let's see how this plays out let's see where they went out you know I'm saying to you and we'll see how far they want to take wow that's crazy you know I'm saying to you remember I remember it's clever has her name Tara let's let her see Matt hey Tara I want to first of all thank you so much I know you're busy you're traveling I know you got a lot going on but we're gonna keep on it this is just the beginning folks please if you haven't yet make sure go follow Tara Palmieri subscribe Tara is on this and if you can like I say this is independent journalism we don't have corporate media so pay subscribers gives a long way and allows us to do what we do so Tara thank you so much have a great night and I'll talk to you later bye that was another episode of the Tara Palmieri show what a wild one right I hope you leave some comments 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