Recap: A Look Back into Tell Me Lies

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Tell Me Lies is all about friendship, so from time to time I'll be joined by a friend... and fellow Superfan of the show, and will dig deep into the drama, and try to predict what comes next for our most dramatic on-screen college buddies. And to kick things off, my friends, Jesse Draper and Tila Dunn are here to help me catch up on all the drama and deception from season one and season two of Tell Me Lies. So if you haven't watched the first two seasons of this show, what are you even doing? Here is a recap. Alright, I'm gonna need everyone to sit down and pay attention. Okay, here we go. Lucy and Macy are freshman roommates, until Macy dies, yes dies, horrifically, in a car accident, after they go to a party with their new friends, Pippa, and Bri. So Pippa is hooking up with Riggly, a junior she met before school started, and Riggly is friends with Stephen and Evan, which is how they all meet. This is the core group, okay? Except Stephen and Macy knew each other and hooked up before school started. That's like all a secret. And Riggly's younger brother Drew thinks he's responsible for Macy's death because he drove her off the side of the road. But Stephen was actually driving the car Macy was in. Drew and Bri have a very brief thing at the beginning of season one. All this time, Stephen is also entangled with his ex Diana. And because things with Stephen are vague, Lucy briefly dates Max, who pops up again in 2015 as Lucy's date to Bri and Evan's engagement party. Another person who pops up in 2015 is Lucy's hometown best friend Lydia, whose younger brother Chris ends up going to Baird. And season one ends with the reveal that she is with Stephen as his date to the wedding. Also, Pippa and Riggly have broken up by this point because Riggly thinks that Pippa wrote a letter to the dean about his little brother Drew's involvement in Macy's death. But Lucy actually wrote that letter. Although Stephen ends up taking credit for it to cover for Lucy, Drew is also mad at Riggly for telling Pippa in the first place and Stephen dumps Lucy in front of everyone just by simply showing up holding hands with Diana. While Lucy is standing there in utter shock and wearing a freaking coconut bra. Lucy sleeps with Evan later that night. But at the end of season two's opening episode, we find out that Diana and Pippa are each other's date to Evan and Bri's wedding. In season two, episode two, Diana walks in on Chris and Pippa, who Diana believes has just been sexually assaulted. So Diana tells Lucy even though they sort of hate each other because Pippa needs help and Lucy's her best friend. Pippa does not want to talk about it or make a big thing of it, but Lucy doesn't want Chris to get away with assaulting girls on campus. So she makes up a story about Chris assaulting her even though not sort of claim could ruin his life. Meanwhile, Evan tells Stephen about him and Lucy and Stephen records it. Evan also eventually tells Bri that he slept with someone, not revealing it was Lucy and they break up. Evan starts dating Molly. Lucy begins dating Leo. Bri and her professor Oliver, they give in and start an affair. And Oliver's wife is Lucy's favorite teacher, Marianne. Bri and Oliver go so far as to hook up in his own house while he and his wife throw a holiday party. Marianne catches Bri and Oliver and to Bri's surprise and discuss, Marianne tells her they're open and she was in on it the whole entire freaking time. Pippa and Diana convinced Drew to come back to campus to cheer up Riggly and he tragically dies of an overdose. Bri and Evan's wedding is the day after Drew's birthday in 2015 and Riggly is being Riggly accordingly. And right before the ceremony starts, Bri listens to the recordings Stephen made of Evan telling him about sleeping with Lucy, which Stephen sent to Bri all these years later. And yeah, a lot happens on this show, okay? Ho! Whether you're off to the big match, getting! Enjoying a trip to the coast to catch up with friends. Or exploring some incredible history with your family. With up to a third of most rail travel, a rail card can help you save on train journeys all around Great Britain. Find the one for you at railcard.co.uk. Jesse, now I know you're a huge Tommy Lies fan. So amazing. Like has there ever been a show this good? This is for us. Yes, it is. And it's relatable. We're older. So like we can relate to the timeframe of the show. We can't really understand. You can't really understand. Like the actual dates that they are in college is the exact dates I was in college. So like, I am them. They are amazing. Yes, totally. And like, I'm into that. Yes, like, traumatized. And everyone had like a college experience that was like toxic. Yes. Friends, relationships. So it's so good. Yeah. Which character do you relate to the most? Oh my god. I hate to say it, but I think Lucy. Only because I feel like as women we've all found ourselves in like a situation where you let a man dictate your life. And sometimes you act a little crazy because of it. 100%. Yeah. I feel like we all have a little Lucy in us. Oh yeah. No, all of us do. I feel like, and again, I've thought about this a lot. Yes. I am a combination of Lucy and Diana, which makes sense. I am a victim. Yes. Oh my gosh. Yes. Yes. Because I feel like, oh yeah, in my 20s, I was making the worst decisions because we all have all of my psychotic boyfriends. Yes. But I also am a very type A girlie. And you're confident like Diana, like you have that, like someone like Diana, it was actually surprising that she was a victim of Steven because she's so like girl power. Yes. And she's so snarky and you have that side to you too. Yes. 100%. Don't fuck with me. Exactly. Okay. Unless you're a stupid man. It happens to the best of us. What character do you think is misunderstood by fans? Ooh. No, this is tough too. What do you think? As much as this person terrifies me. Oh no. I want to say, stupid. What? You getting him to the end of the down? Yeah. Okay. Because of his family life. And I think there's more to it that we haven't seen. Yeah. There's more to be explored. And you know, they always say like zero killers, like they had like really tough childhood. It's true. And I'm not trying to defend zero killing. But yeah, I'm not doing it. Hopefully he doesn't go there season three. Yeah, I'm not trying to do that. But I just feel maybe I just want a justification or a reason. And so I'm hoping. Well, because it's like so unrelatable the way he acts that you want a reason to hear like, oh, it humanizes him. Yes. Not that it makes it okay, but I get where you're going. Like they show his like home life in season two a little more with his mom. And his mom is just mom in real life. Yes. That's cool. Yeah, no, that's really cool. But like his mom is like that crazy. Yes. Like that. It's understandable. Those scenes like when on Christmas, she has no money, but she takes him to the restaurant just so that she can be by their father, the ex-husband. And his wife or girlfriend is pregnant. Like that's insane. And her kids are upon in her behavior. Yes. And so I have sympathy for that. But no, he's still a monster. Yes. But I just want to believe that there's more to him. Yes. No, I agree with that. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt. I can't believe I just said that. I'm like, I'm like, yeah, wait, what? That me defending the fucking man right now that actually like I hate myself for that. I'm like, would you defend any of your exes? No, I'm still fucking doing that. No way. I mean, I get it because he is the one character that is so misunderstood. That was a good answer for that reason. Okay. I hope you have a good view. Well, mine was going to be Diana only because I feel like season one, you kind of see her as like the villain of like Lucy's story, right? Like she's the mean girl and whatever. But then you get to know her more. And she's actually really smart. And she's just again, another victim of Stephen, a stupid boy who's like coming and like fucked up all the lives. But I just feel like overall she has so much depth to her. Like when she did the whole elaborate plan of telling Stephen like, I'm not talking to my daddy cut me off. And then it was all a ruse. So good. No, she's smarty. So I think her. It took me a while to get over her coming downstairs, you know, in season one finale when Lucy's in a coconut bra. Like that was just like, oh, that's where I'm like, she's the mean girl villain. I get it. Yeah, but I was more Stephen. That was, it was both of them. Yeah. You know, I mean, like she lured him back in by being like, I can give you a future. Yeah. And why wouldn't you take it? Yeah, like your girlfriend's just like Lucy's like villain origin story. That moment. Yeah. Because when like she started to be like, okay, I need to play the game. Totally. Okay, I just want to let you know I loath my answer. Same Stephen. I know. Like, are you okay? No, I'm not. Okay, I'd really like to change it. It's a good answer because everyone else I think is like understandable, relatable in a sense. And he is the one that you're like, make it make sense. Yes. So like I'm just hoping he's misunderstood. Yeah. Because it's like make it make sense. Yes. You know, yeah, I'm hoping there's redemption there. That's the cool thing about this show jumping in the future is you can see, oh, like where they go. And, you know, that's my favorite part of the show. Me too. Of the show is the structure that like there's the wedding in, you know, that's whatever, eight years later. Yeah. And so to see all of like their dynamics, all these years later. And then like cut back to college. It makes it. It's brilliant. So desirable. Like you want to know what happens in those seven years. Yes. 100% easy. Okay. Let's talk about crazy friend drama from your early 20s. That the show keeps reminding you of, I mean, I'll let you go first. We all have this. And both of ours have been documented. Unfortunately, I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure tell me lies is about me. No, literally. No, I'm not joking. You guys, I'm loosely based on my life or something. I watch it and I'm just like, with someone reading my diary throughout my 20s. But that's what makes it so good and relatable is because I feel like every girl went through that in high school in college, like even as adults, like we go through stuff like that. What a unique experience about reality TV that you can watch it back and it can be a wake-up call. Yeah, or traumatized. Yeah, that too. Do you have any particular stories? So I mean, I had a lot of like tumultuous friendships growing up. I feel like high school was a hard time for me, but I always joke that like reality TV is my college because I didn't go to college. So I almost feel like a lot of my friendship cycles have played out on my show. Okay, so you're new to the psycho game. Yeah, well not new. Not new, but like publicly yes. Yeah. But yeah, I had like friends, like I had weird friends. Like I always attract these big personalities and I get walked all over. So I feel like I've repeated a cycle of like there's one particular friendship on my show. You see kind of habits demise and I always attract that type of person. You and me. Yes. We can name names. We can name names and if they don't like it, they can leap it out. Yes. And they're always Leo's. I always attract like these big fiery personalities. You really? Yes. So I can relate in that way of like whether it's a friendship or a relationship, there can be toxicity. Yeah. And it's also like figuring out what's wrong with you and like why you keep attracting this. That's work I've been doing. Yeah, or why you like stay in the same pattern. Yes. And like that's something on this show that it's like why are you doing making the same mistakes over and over and over again. And then I realize, oh wait, I used to make the same mistakes over and over and over again. I get it. And it's so much easier as an audience member to like yell at the TV and be like, what are you doing? But when it's your real life, you have like blinders on. Oh, for sure. And that's for sure what's happening with Lucy. And it's funny how you can see her go from like sweet innocent girl to like playing the game and almost being as bad as him at times. Yeah. No, for sure. Doesn't it make you scared for our children? Yeah. Like when I watched this, I'm like, that was back in the time before social media. We're in the time of it now when our kids are this age, we're going to have like spaceships. Like, yeah, it's going to be hard to make my parents work. I'm like, it's so scared. Yeah, it like really does like terrify me. Yeah. Because it's like, I knew what it was like to grow up in a situation in my 20s like this. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't want that for my children. And it's like your daughter, especially. I don't want you to meet a guy like that, but it's almost more pressure to raise a boy and be like, don't become that. Oh, you know, no, Jesse, I'm not just. Oh, I've said this a lot. I'm like, I know how to raise a daughter instinctively. But do you know how much harder it is to raise a boy? No. Because statistically, more boys are serial killers than girls. Yes. So like you have to try to raise a non-serial killer that respects women. And let's be honest, the men make the women crazy. So it is the man who starts all the dynamics, like in my experience. So agreed. Like it's so and we each have a boy and a girl. So we have like a lot to prepare for. We have a lot to prepare for. Yeah. We have to be nervous. All right. I feel like it would be fun to predict what's going on with each couple for season three. Oh my gosh. It's so crazy because it's like, this show is so good that like the second one isn't better than the first one. And you couldn't even believe that it could get better. But what do you think transpires with Lucy and Steven? Because at the end of season two, that's when Bri at her wedding gets the voice note or whatever. Yeah. Steven has saved like, what a cycle. Which also shows he hasn't changed that many years later. No. And like he's like holding it. He's like, sitting on that weird for like what happens when you get a new phone? Yeah. And then you're like on his desktop like in a file or something like every time you got like a new computer, he had to like transfer. That's playing the long game as a villain. I admire the dedication. Yeah. But that's true. It's truly psychotic. What do you think happens with them with Steven or Lucy? Oh gosh. Okay. I think Steven and Lucy are that couple that like will always be toxic. And even if they're both moved on like married and have kids if they run into each other, it's game over. The fact that she called him down to watch her of sex in the pool with her new man. Like that was so crazy. She just like can't help herself. And I know people like that on my show. And I'm like, I've seen the toxic in real life. Like they don't change. No. It's like that. That was such a wild moment where it's like you actually could have just gone to bed. Yeah. No, literally. Also, it's been this many years. Like are you still thinking about him? Like I forget what prompted her to even do that. I think it's made a snark. He must have made a snarky comment. Oh yeah. Yeah. And it was what was it? It was when they were giving speeches at the, it was like I don't know, welcome her. The hearty dinner rehearsal dinner or whatever. And he made a comment about his exes. Yeah. That was just like so like under the belt. Yeah. And he's engaged to her old friend. So like that. And then also just seeing him. I think when you're in a toxic cycle like that, just seeing someone, it brings up the familiarity about those feelings. So yeah. No, that it's okay. But I just feel like she like went back to her former self. Yeah. No, that was his psychomove. Yeah, it was. I don't think they're end game, but I think they're going to be in a toxic cycle whenever they're around each other. Like I just don't see that ending if it hasn't changed that many years later. Yeah. It's really sad. It is sad. Like roll up. But it's sad. Okay. Bre and Evan. Okay. So I'm like, obviously we see that the met their wedding. You hope it's going to work out, but then she gets this bombshell right before she walks down the aisle. Like it has been like what, 70 years, like as it been long enough, but it's also one of her best friends. So I don't know if that's like enough to like ruin that, but I feel like Evan's a really good guy. Like he seems pretty solid and Bree seems a little lost to me. And I feel like he grounds hers. I'm hoping that one works out. Yeah. But you never know. Riggly and Pippa. Okay. So we know they don't work out because Pippa's with Diana in the future. I know, which is. Which is. I love to such a curveball. Yeah. But also I kind of love the idea that like Pippa was with Riggly who like isn't toxic, but like is a little dopey and like back and forth, right? And then Diana was with Stephen and like leaving those men and just like girl power, like love. Yeah. I love that dynamic. But I feel like Riggly's still really lost in the future with like the death of his brother and he was like drunk at the dinner. And I think he's like a little lost and all fairness. It was his brother's birthday. It was. Yeah. And I feel like that wrecked him. And like to be honest, I don't know how you get over that ever. Yeah. But I feel like they're not a thing anymore. Like I don't see that. I think they'll still hook up on and off in college, but I'd like as adults. I just feel like Riggly is so unserious. Like I just don't see him being with her because I think she has more depth. Yeah. Long term. No, for sure. Yeah. I really, what I really like about their relationship and you saw it almost like I feel like it was the first episode of season one or like one of the first when they show the welcome party or rehearsal. Yeah. And I feel like that whole part, Pippa makes a comment being like, you know, it's my responsibility to like make it him okay, which is like his mom. Yeah, or best friend. Yeah. I'm sure they know friends. Like I don't see it being toxic. Yeah. I see it being like I'll always love you. Maybe she is like that vibe where she has to take care of him. But I feel like when you have that in a romantic relationship, the spark goes away for sure. Because you can't be someone's mom. No. I've been in relationships like that and it doesn't work out for sure. So we'll see with them. All right. This is actually one of my favorite games to play. Um, a little game of would you rather? Okay, juicy. These are actually kind of hard. Really? Okay. Yeah, there's only two, but they're hard. Okay. Okay. Would you rather have your high school best friend end up dating your college boyfriend after college or have your college best friend secretly sleep with your college boyfriend while you're all still at the same school? Okay. So basically it's like, would you rather be brave? Yeah. Or would you rather be Lucy in that situation? Oh, yeah. Okay. So I feel like I've had a combination of both happened to me. For real? And I'm going to say high school because I didn't go to college. But in high school, my best friend slept with my boyfriend while you were together. While we were together. Join the bed. What is it with? Is it like a ride of passage as a woman to have your best friend? Yes. If you did with Steven, yes. And he was a Steven. Okay. 100%. He had been to prison. I don't have a good picker. I still don't. You know me. But he had cheated on me with her, then dated her and lived with her. He went to prison in high school? Well, he was older. He was 19. Okay. And yes, I like used to write him in prison. I know what. No, literally, but I was like 18. I'm so stupid. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Drugs. Okay. You know, whatever typical that fan you met him. And he was like, I've been to prison. You were like, love it. Uh-huh. It's like, that's so crazy. Like, he had tattoos from prison. I'm like, that's so hot. But that's why I relate to Lucy because I get it. I'm like, the bad boy, you know, and they always scream over and it's always your friend. Okay. So your friend hooked up with jailbird? Yes. Okay. So that happened to you. And then you said that you had an experience that was like the other one also. Well, then they went on to date. So like, I kind of have both in it because then they went on and like, dated. So I like, I had that experience, but also like the cheating too. Yeah. I've actually lived like 10 lives. Yeah, it kind of sounds like you have. I'm trying to think of what's worse. I know. I know. It all depends on if you're over that person or if you're getting married to them. True. I actually think I feel like Breeze is worse. I think Breeze is worse too because that means your fiance has been lying to you this whole time. Yes. So if you can lie about that, what else can you lie about? Yeah. You can hold that in. Like, on your wedding day, on your, yeah. Like, I would rather, yeah, I'd rather have my high school best friend. And updating my college boyfriend. Because at least you know, like, that's over. Like, yeah. Hopefully you're over it. But like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're going to settle on, it's worse for Bree. Yeah. For sure. Especially because like, maybe season three changes my mind on this, but I feel like Evan's like a good guy. And so it's like, to be blindsided by a good guy, you don't expect that. Where it was Steve and like, you know what you're getting into. Yeah. No. When it's a good guy, then it really does make you questions like everything. Everything. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. That was a hard one though. This one's hard too because it's like, oh, no. Would you rather be sleeping with your professor's husband or have your ex boyfriend as a TA? Oh. Okay. I feel like the ex boyfriend is a TA because you expect to run into your ex like it's awkward, but like to be sleeping with someone's husband like Bree was like that, that's catastrophic results. Like, right? Do you not agree? So I think people will be shocked by my answer. You are shocking me today in general. Because I am like so anti cheating. Yes. Lies. Yes. I am loyal as I can see that. You know what I mean? However, my schooling was very important to me. Really? And if there's an ex boyfriend in there that can mess that up for me and mess up my future, it also depends on what ex it is. I'm breaking up that marriage with that professor, I guess. But with that also not ruin your schooling. Or would it make it better? That's true. You get straighties. Exactly. You never know. It could help actually. It's really like shitty of me to say. I get it. And it depends on the ex. Like if it's someone that you could not focus at there in the room. But an ex like Steven, and you know that he would do anything to just mess things up for you. For you? Yeah. Yes. That is true. Don't mess with my future. Yeah. And the way it worked out for Bree is like the girl knew the whole time. Right? The professor knew. So like she was fine. Which is that our weird king. And weird. That was one of the storylines in season two that I really was invested in. I was like, whoa. Oh yeah. When she put the earrings in there. Yes. And then she wears them. Oh my god. Well, the wearing them was like, I thought a power move until she told me, until she told me. Yeah. Until she told me they're not real friends. I think they're my friends. No, I get that way too. Like when you finish a series or like a book, I'm like, what do I do now? I miss you guys. Exactly. Yeah. And this show specifically is so relatable. 100%. I know. Thank you so much, Jessie. Thank you for having me. After the break, me and Tila done take a look back at seasons one and two. Okay. Tila, I know you are like, tell me lies number one fan. Genuinely. Like literally before we started, you said your goal and everything you do was just tell your friends. You spread the words. Yes. Of tell me lies. I answered this question and I was embarrassed about my answer, but I was just honest. Which character do you think is the most misunderstood character? Don't tell me your answer was going to be Steven. Am I right about that? And now that's why you're embarrassed, huh? Yes. Oh, girl. Yeah, you know, it's like you literally actually see into my soul. Like you know, I listen. I was just thinking, I know. Okay. I know. I feel like now I have to defend myself again. I know. I was thinking, Steven, because I'm like, okay, you know, they show his, you know, family life and like maybe there's even more to it that we don't know about his childhood. But also he's definitely got demons in the closet for sure. But that's like defending serial killers for like, you know, like, you know, having a dead, I'm sorry. I take it back. I don't think Steven is the most misunderstood misunderstood. Who do you think is the most misunderstood? Oh, it's so hard. Hmm. The most misunderstood part of me feels like PEPA. Really? Yeah. I feel like she's like has a lot of identity issues. Yeah. I think that like people don't know the real her, the real her. And I feel like she seems so tough. Yeah. And I feel like she hides behind that. Yeah. And she doesn't ever want to seem vulnerable. She masks it a lot. Yeah. So I feel like she is really misunderstood because her friends always getting like a version of her and the real her. I feel like she really wants to express herself. Yeah. No, I feel like she's like going through a lot of ways. That's right. But then it's like really tough. Do you see that he still gets girls? I know. And that he still has some friends. It's like, he has a lot of friends actually for his actions. He has like a lot of friends. It's kind of scary. He gets invited to Bri and Evan's wedding. Yeah. And he gets invited to parties. I know. Like why? He should be blacklisted on every account. Yeah. You're right. You're right. Right. We're going to forget that I said Steven at some point, okay? But as we are. I'm not. I'm sorry. I forgive but I won't forget that. Would you have fallen for Steven? Just think about it. Like if you're entering season one, you're Lucy going to Baird. Would you have fallen for his shit? I don't think I would have fallen for his shit. I think I would have gone on a couple dates with him and then realized like who he seems a little controlling and I feel like weird and I feel like he wants me to keep secrets from my friends. And then I would get to it. Yeah. I think I would fall for Max. Max. Max. Max is Max. No, Max is Max. Oh my God. Oh my God, I feel so bad for Max in season two. I was like, what did he do to deserve this? I know. She treated him so bad. I'm like Lucy girl. I know, poor Max. It's so bad. Yeah. It's so bad. Yeah. What's that? Why are they always playing weird games that don't end well? Why are we always surrounding ourselves with people that we like they always surround themselves with people that they look ye hate? Like what are we doing? That's what I used to do in my 20s. It do be like that. Well I have some questions for you. Which episode shocked you the most? I guess we'd have to say because it's hard to remember like episodes, like which moment in the last two seasons shocked you the most? Definitely the Lucy situation in season two where she hooks up with Stephen and literally probably within the same hour. No. Didn't even wash. The panties are the same. It's like, whoa, let's take a step back. From a hygienic standpoint, I'm not a slush aimer. Like girl, do whatever you got to do. Yeah. You know, whatever you're going through. But I mean, from a hygienic standpoint, it's like girl. Lucy, no. Like that's when I really took a step back and I was like, what is going on? That was like a just a jaw dropping. Yeah. For me, another crazy situation was, I mean, I just feel like getting to know more about Stephen's brain. Well, I think when Stephen accepted, he took the blame for Lucy writing the letter. Yes. That was unexpected. It was. I was just like, didn't see that coming. And like, damn it. Now he's going to be able to hold that over her head. Yep. Yep. That's about me, it's about the letter last year. I wrote the letter. The one that got you in trouble, that was me. I'm so sorry. That's what he always does, though. He does things that seem like they're out of the kindness of his own heart. But in the back of his mind, he's just like, I did this for you and now you owe me this. He's like, he's literally evil. Yes. So honestly, anything Stephen does, or he does, when he touches Diana's dad's wall art after she has sent not to. Sick. Like, it's so easy to not do. Like literally do not touch. Don't touch. It's not that deep. Why do you have to do that? Yeah. I feel like everything that Stephen does just like is the, everything Stephen does whenever I watch Tell Me Lies, that's when I'm like texting the group chat after the episode, like, oh my god, you won't believe this because he's diabolical. So anything he does, I'm just always like, what? Because he shocks me so much. You've really never dated a Stephen? Um, if you have to think about it. I've dated a similar type of Stephen, honestly, not to that degree, but definitely the type of person that like will hold things over my head. I think that's such a toxic trait as a grown man. It's so fucking disgusting. When guys will do something out of the kindness of their own heart or to be a romantic boyfriend. And then they're like, I'm doing all this stuff for you. I did this, this, this, this. I'm like, oh my god, like, you need therapy. You're so lucky that that's the worst you've ever seen. I know that is so true. And I am blessed. Like, I don't surround myself with sick people. And once I don't tolerate disrespect just because like, I thought I didn't either in my 20s. And then when I look back at every relationship, I'm like, oh, wow. Every single one. I'm talking sick shit, cheating with your best friend, shit. Oh, deep, deep, deep. Full blown manipulation. Oh my god. Commencing you that your friends all hate you shit. Oh my god. Whoa, I am literally Stephen. No, I'm literally Stephen. I was Lucy and I dated Stephen. Holy shit. Yeah. So no, like, you just get to rest your pretty little head down at night and know that like you survive. You didn't have to go through that shit. No, no. God is good. But also every situation that we go through that's like hell, it literally just makes us a stronger human being. Agreed. And it low key. I feel like it builds character. It does. And I feel like low key. It makes you like glow up more. And it's time I get super stressed out. I get way hotter. No, dating a toxic guy is like going through an awkward phase in high school. You just glow up. You glow up. You need it. And you come out on top. Agreed? It's just true. Agreed. Which moment in the series over the last two seasons made you the most emotional? Oh, that's tough. Oh, this is actually so easy. I'd say what really hooked me with the show was season one. Knowing what really fucking happened about that. With car accident. With car accident. Yeah. Like I was, I mean, granted, I was on my period during the time I watched the episode. But like really seeing what happened and like how sad she was like how she really, really liked him and all this shit. And then he literally did the unthinkable and left the scene and lied about it. Oh my God. That really did make me cry. Because I'm like, I bet stuff like that happens all the time. Like with the drinking and driving and just lying about it. And just all of that. Yeah. And then the parents come in like to me as a parent. Like that. It that like really broke me. I actually don't even want to talk about it. I will actually cry. Yeah. That really hurt me. Yeah. Because that's like literally so beyond second. Also goes to show how much of a psychopath is because he doesn't feel feelings. Yes. Like how can you do something like that, whether you are under the influence or not and not like break down sobbing? He was literally like, no. Like he's psycho. Yeah. He's psycho. He left that girl dead in the car and just walked away. Yes. Flood the scene. Flood the fucking scene. He deserves jail. Okay. Which character grew on you the most over time? I think it would be Pippa. I was going to say Pippa too. I think Pippa grows on me. At first I just feel like she's just like kind of cold and hard on people. Yeah. Pretty hostile. And hostile. Yes. I seasoned wine. It was really hard for me to a relate to her and like kind of open up to her just because she was like a bot. Like she just seemed very judgmental and like to herself. Like big and tough and like whatever. But yeah. I was like season one Pippa wouldn't like no. No. No at all. I think she would be like she's like you're annoying. Yeah. Like shut up. And then I'd be like okay. This girl's kind of rude and cold. But season two I was like oh. There are layers to this woman. There are vulnerable sides to this woman and she just is trying to protect herself. Yeah. And she's just misunderstood. Yeah. So I would say her. Did you laugh out loud? Mm. Laugh out loud. Oh. I don't know if this is like toxic of me. But the scene in season two where Lucy like throws the phone like outside of her dorm and she's like so mad at Steven and like she just has a freaking crash. I wish she like throws the phone in the hallway. I was like girl. Get off. Stand up. She's like. Like through the phone. I'm screaming at my TV. What the WTF is how I watch. Which episode it gave you the biggest I did not see that coming moment. Ooh. Oh. This is easy. The fact that Diana's little lesbian. Yeah. The I did not see. I never saw that coming. Not at all. When season two started and they started hooking up I said. What? Yeah. I mean love it for them. Go off. I don't care but I did. There were no signs to me. No. That didn't even cross my mind. Yes. That was like my job. When that happened in season two I said. Oh my god. Because to me there were no signs in season one. Yeah. No. I completely agree. I was like whoa. Wow. Which episode or what moment made you rethink how you felt about a character. So whether it was like a character you didn't like made you be like oh maybe they do like this person. Or one that you didn't you don't or you did like you're like oh I'm not so sure. Probably Pappa. Yeah. I feel like because like I said in season one it's not that I didn't like her but like I didn't feel like she was a very likeable character just because she seemed like very cold. But knowing a lot about her from season two I'm like wait I kind of do like her and she's like really misunderstood. She definitely grew on me. When Bree gets with Oliver I'm like. I really love you Bree. I forgot all about that. I really it's like I really love you Bree and like this is where like now. This is where you lost me ruining a marriage wrecking a marriage granted he's wrecking the marriage granted he's disgusting. She knows that it's Mary Ann. She knows that that's his wife and she continues to do like why that was a really high I feel like about Bree. Wait that's actually taking it back to another like thing that I was shocked about about tell me lies like I'd say the brief situation to like when she started hooking up with the like professor guy. Yeah. I was like what? Yeah. I did feel the sexual tension. I mean he's really hot. He is really hot. I mean he's literally Lucifer. How do you think the tell me lies drama would play out now? Now that social media is what it is. It's like beyond just Facebook. So if like we take tell me lies and put it in like 2025. TikTok Instagram stories Instagram. Yeah. Like how do we think? I mean you wouldn't be able to get away with anything. I'm always watching the show being like how is no one noticing that Pippa is constantly going in and out of Diana's room. Nowadays someone would just snap a pic and that would go on thread. Like I could yes. Yeah. You just like see someone in the background of someone's stories or just like I just feel like none of this shit. No one would get away with anything. No one would get away with like the cheating part. People have each other's locations. Yes. Oh yes. Find my friends all these things. I think there would be a lot more drama because I feel like there would be so many cancellations. I mean everything that Stephen does if Lucy went on TikTok and did a part two series. Great point. No one would want to be his friend. He wouldn't be able to get hired anywhere. All of the scandals with like the sexual assault allegations, all of those things like there would be a lot more mess and a lot more drama. And I feel like a lot of a lot of people would be even more fake and then people would be really like secretly recording and like uploading things. And I feel like it would be even more messy. Anyway, thank you so much for being here. That's it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. And if you haven't already, follow and subscribe and we'll see you next week for more Tell Me Lies. 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