Cameron Hanes - Keep Hammering Collective

KHC 187 - Pauly Shore

47 min
Apr 8, 202611 days ago
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Summary

Cameron Hanes hosts comedian Pauly Shore for an episode focused on bow hunting, archery technique, and the philosophy of finding purpose through challenging pursuits. The conversation explores hunting as a primal skill, the discipline required for both archery and comedy, and the importance of authenticity and heart in creative work.

Insights
  • Hunting and comedy share similar principles: both require reading your audience/environment in real-time and adapting rather than following a predetermined script
  • The compound bow represents a convergence of ancient human instinct and modern technology—triggering primal hunting genetics while requiring scientific precision
  • Purpose-driven work (passion-based) fundamentally differs from money-driven work in terms of personal fulfillment and longevity
  • Authenticity and vulnerability in performance—whether comedy or hunting—creates emotional resonance that audiences recognize and connect with
  • Physical discipline (gym, sauna, cold plunge, hunting) serves as a mechanism for processing grief and maintaining mental health
Trends
Celebrity interest in hunting and outdoor pursuits as a counterbalance to urban/digital lifestylesArchery equipment becoming more accessible and mainstream through celebrity endorsement and social proofHunting portrayed as a form of mindfulness and environmental awareness rather than purely extractive activityEmphasis on ethical hunting practices and respect for animals as a philosophical frameworkCompound bow technology advancing to make precision hunting accessible to beginners while maintaining challenge for expertsNostalgia for primal/ancestral skills as a response to modern disconnectionStand-up comedy and hunting compared as improvisational disciplines requiring real-time adaptation
Companies
Hoyt
Archery equipment manufacturer; Cameron's lifetime partner for bow production, specifically the 90-pound AX 90 bow
Montana Knife Company
American-made knife manufacturer; produces the Keep Hammering Pack Out knife designed with Cameron for field dressing...
Ketone IQ
Ketone supplement brand; Cameron uses for sustained focus during long efforts, training, and podcasting
Black Rifle Coffee
Coffee and energy drink brand founded by veterans; provides ready-to-drink cold brew and energy products
Mountain Ops
Sports nutrition company; produces Ignite energy drink with amino acids and nootropics for hunting and endurance
Sig Sauer
Optics manufacturer; produces Zulu imaging stabilizing binoculars used for glassing terrain during hunts
Target
Retail chain; carries Ketone IQ in hydration and protein aisle
People
Pauly Shore
Guest discussing comedy career, hunting experience, and philosophy of authenticity and purpose
Cameron Hanes
Host and primary subject; discusses hunting philosophy, archery technique, and partnership with equipment brands
Joe Rogan
Mutual friend of both Cameron and Pauly; mentioned as connection point and referenced for recent podcast appearance
Wayne
Bow range instructor who teaches archery technique and provides guidance during Pauly's first bow experience
James
Podcast producer and occasional participant in on-air banter and interviews
Josh Smith
Knife company founder; personally known to Cameron for quality and American manufacturing standards
Sam Kinison
Referenced as master of audience engagement and likability on stage; influence on Pauly's comedy philosophy
Richard Pryor
Referenced as master comedian influencing Pauly's understanding of audience connection and performance
Eddie Murphy
Known to Pauly for 40 years; quoted as saying there's no one like Pauly Shore
Timothy Treadwell
Referenced through 'Grizzly Man' documentary; example of dangerous game interaction and misunderstanding with bears
Quotes
"Find something that gets you out of bed. And I feel really sad when I meet people and like, I don't know what it is. My heart breaks for them."
Cameron Hanes~00:15:00
"The most important thing about life is letting go, dude. Just be cool. Be cool to everyone. Don't be an asshole. Lead with your heart."
Pauly Shore~01:45:00
"Our genetics and our history is in us. Hunting. When somebody who's never done it starts to do it, it starts to feel like, 'Oh, this is what I'm supposed to be doing.'"
Cameron Hanes~00:35:00
"The audience tells you where to go. You don't tell the audience where to go. That's the most important thing I learned from the masters of comedy."
Pauly Shore~01:20:00
"I put my heart into everything that I did and I still do. And I think people feel that. Your heart is the most important thing when it comes to what we do."
Pauly Shore~00:10:00
Full Transcript
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If you want to check it out, head to montanandknifecompany.com and right now podcast listeners get 10% off any knife with code CAM10, CAM10. The Keep Hammering Pack Out, built for the back country, built to work. James is doing a good job. Let's give it up for James, your producer slash fluffer. Give it up to James. The best fluffer in the business. I prefer sit-outs. Thank you for having me. Yes. Yeah, for sure. Hey, are we starting now? We're live. Okay, this is Keep Hammering Collective with Paulie Shore. What's up? Keep Hammering Collective. Okay, let's start off with that title. So Keep Hammering Collective. That's right. Yeah. What does that mean to you? That's what I'm trying to get a get a get a get a get a get a guess. So here it is. So keep hammering. Yeah, what do you think that means? Keep hammering, just keep going. You know, endurance. That's it. Endurance. Like when this guy tried to do 50 miles when he pushed out on a half a mile because you heard your, you heard your what? Your Achilles heel. My pussy. Yeah, but what we're going to do is we're going to shoot you with the bow and then we're going to know on your beef bow, bow, bow. Yeah, and then see what you think and then see what you think. So I think keep hammering and the collective means like all of us. Yeah. Is that right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So did you see all the pictures of the bow rack of the people? I forgot to show that to you. Where at your place or at the place at the bow rack? Were we just shot? No, no, no, yeah, I was so excited to get to the back. Yeah, you were. Yeah. So, so you're in Eugene, Oregon, dude. I am. And like, you've been crushing it so much that they added another night to your show here. Yes. I've been keep hammering collective, bro. Yeah. I'm just keep hammering. No, I just think it's, I think whatever I did back in the day stuck, you know, all the films and all this, the comedy and everything that I've done in my past for some reason stuck. And it didn't just stick like, oh, that guy's funny. And that was fun. I think it's emotionally for a lot of people. So I think when, when I do my autographs at the end, the people they come up to me and they say really beautiful things and it like lands with me emotionally. So, well, you're part of they're growing up. I put my heart into everything that I did and I still do. So, and I think people feel that. And I think your heart is the most important thing when it comes to what we do. How do you like put your heart into it? I mean, you just care so much that you just, we were talking about at breakfast, we're talking about money versus like work. Right. And we're talking about doing things out of passion and doing things out of money. And it's like, you know, a lot of people, they want to make money and they don't want to work. You know what I mean? And I think it's important that we find something that gets us out of bed. And I think that's the most important thing about I don't want to say life, but at the end of the day, your parents, your brothers, your sisters, all that shit are not going to be with you. You're going to be stuck with yourself. You know, every single day you're married. You know, I don't know your relationship. I don't know how per series is not serious. How you guys are together. But at the end of the day, you're by yourself too. You know, and you love this, obviously, you're very successful at it. And this gets you out of bed. Yeah. And I think that's the most important thing about life. People are like, well, what's the key? But find something that gets you out of bed. And I feel really sad when I meet people and like, I don't know what it is. My heart breaks for them. Yeah. Yeah. Because I found it at a young age growing up. Have you always had that? I've had it since I was a little, little, little, little, little. And you never went through a time where you're like, is this what I do? No, yeah, no, it was very, it was very, you know, growing up at the store and growing up around my parents. I just, you know, comedy is something that's been in me since I was a little kid. And I just love making people laugh. Yeah, just being silly. Like as a kid, just trying to be silly. Yeah, just around. Yeah, I mean, I love around. And, and I don't know, even when I go, you know, just out in public, I'm very much my father, you know, my dad was always around, like you would see you go to the YMCA and he would see some people there. And he would just start doing, it's called shtick. Yeah, you just just constantly doing shtick. I mean, we did it at breakfast this morning. Yeah, you know what I mean? We did it at the Bo-Rack. Yeah, we did it at the Bo-Rack with our friend. Yeah, with Wayne. Yeah. And I don't know, I just, that's why I like to fly coach. Yeah. You know, when I travel, I like to be with people. You know, I get off on people. And when they don't know who I am, I get, I get, my dick gets more hard. You know what I mean? I'm like, Oh my God, this is so much fun. Like, you know what I mean? Because then I could be really stupid. That's like James at the glory hole. Yeah. He's like, he, that's really gets him hard. That's kind of off subject. Did you like, is it funny? So you go and you kind of, most people aren't ready for like you at the Bo-Rack. You know, Wayne's pretty serious. He's like teaching a serious thing. And then you're screwing around. It's like, people aren't ready for that. Put some effort into this. It's too heavy. Too heavy? Okay. Why is he? God, suckers. No, no, no, don't do that. I know. Well, he's pissing me off. That's okay. You know, he's coming in. He's never been mad before, heavy. Dude, he invites me. He invites me in his town. And then what does he do? He makes fun of me. What these mother don't know is that I've been doing this shit since I was a kid. I've been doing this shit in Bakersfield for many years. They think they're all high to entirety up here and Eugene organ bunch of pussies up here. What do you think? You think that's funny, dude? I do. Well, watch you see me archery. You don't know how to archery. Dude, I grew up with mother Indians, bro. You know what I mean? So you, you white man, you took the, you took the land from us. Hey, listen, do you have any advice for me? Just kick six feet, bro. I don't want your, I don't want all your cooties. Yeah, there you go. There you go. All the way back. All the way back. There you go. So you see how much faster that went? The further you pull it back, the faster it's going to go. Oh shit. Now he's getting the Chinese one. Is part of the fun gauging their reaction? Yeah, of course. You know what I mean? It's like, you know, it's like the, to me, the best part about comedy in, in particulars, you know, I look at my comedy is people's reaction. So if you look at the film, I did son in law, which was a film that I did that was successful for me. It wasn't about what my character did. It was about how people react to my character. Right. And that's the comedy. Yeah. You know what I mean? Even I did a movie called adopted where I go to Africa to adopt black babies. You know what I mean? And it's very kind of controversial and it's this and that, but it's played completely straight. It's, you know, it's scripted, believe it or not, there's a lot of stuff that's not real in it. You don't know, you skate the line, but it's all about people reacting. So you cut to the camera. You know, that's why I'm yelling at camera guys like or whatever. And I'm like, cut to the reaction, cut to the reaction. Yeah. Because to me, that's the funniest thing. No, it's true. I love people reacting. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I have, I've never been around somebody because most people don't want to quote cause a scene. You know what I mean? But you're kind of causing a scene. I love it. Yeah. And like, I'm just saying, I got it from my dad. Yeah. My dad was always doing shtick. Right. Always around, you know, it's fun. It just catches people off guard because nobody does it and they don't know how to react. Yeah. That's what I say. It's like, I love, like when you were acting talking about, you're going to fight James and Wayne was probably like, what in the hell or he was going, what is going on? Okay. So just stay with me. Come on. Come on. Come on. Let me, all the way back. Don't, don't move. But he says use my back muscles. Yeah. Come on back. Come on back. There you go. Yeah. And then I touched this. I have your head forward and move your head forward. Yep. Look through that hole. You look through that closer to go closer to it with your head. Okay. That green pin, put it on the yellow, put the green pin on the yellow. Now bring it around. Now touch that trigger. There we go. Ready? Yep. Boom. Why did you make it difficult? He made it more. No, I'm just kidding. No, we did good. So bring your hand tight to the jaw. Tight to the jaw right here. I got it. There you go. Got to look through this. So I look through this. There you go. Now put that third pin, third pin right in that black and that white hole down there. Try it. Nice. Right in the hole. Very good. Yeah. Was it? Yeah. Dude. Dude, I just think I'm an ex-girlfriend, bro. Yeah. And then I went to the bathroom, I came back and he was like, almost like, I don't know if this is going to work because I don't know what happened when I was gone, but it was like something happened. I was just trying to figure it out. I wasn't trying to be, I mean, I was doing shtick. I was around, but I was really concerned about, I mean, it's a dangerous thing what you guys do. Yeah. You know what I mean? I don't want to say I'm an idiot, but I'm kind of an idiot when it comes to this type of stuff. I don't know how to kill deer. I don't know. You know, you got all these dead animals around me. Yeah. Like, I think in after I just did it for, that was only for 40 minutes, dude. And now I feel like I'm addicted. So you're like, when I'm going to, at first, at first, at first we're having breakfast, like I'm going to send you the bow and I'm like, all right, okay, cool. I'll have a bow, put it in my closet. Now after I've done it, I feel like my dick got hard. I'm like, I want to, I want to shoot this mother f***ing. Yeah. And then I showed you an area in my backyard where I could do it and, and like, you know, I'm feel bad for my neighbors out there. Now you got to be careful, but it's a little bit of dinty. Yeah. It is. You know what I mean? So here's what we say when we take new archers down there, this has been a recurring theme. And Wayne gives him this talk generally is that archery feels natural because man has always hunted. Like our genetics have been as hunters. That's how we've survived. And as hunters, it was with the bow and arrow for thousands, tens of thousands of years. And so when somebody who's even never done it starts to do, it starts to feel like, Oh, this is what I'm, this is what I'm supposed to be doing. Yeah. And that's why you thought you'd put it in your closet. And now it's just like, no, this is, it awoke something in you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And people, you know, it sounds kind of weird to say, but it's true. Our genetics and our, you know, our history is in us. Yeah, hunting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, but also, um, excuse me, it's also a lot more advanced. Yes. Now than it was, I'm sure before. Oh, yeah. We started with, you want to shoot the recurve first. That's that like the boys, Boy Scout bow. Yeah. And that's kind of where when we talk about old hunting, like back in, you know, primitive times, it would be with a bow like that. But now we've evolved and now we have that new equipment. The last bow that you shot where you shot that elk made great shots and, you know, long, long distance. That's what you can see that a bow, like you first shot wouldn't be capable of that today. That's like months and months of practice. But today you're able to pick up the compound bow and you were very accurate. Yeah. So, so people watching that are watching right now that don't know what the compound bow is. It's very intricate, but it's very scientifically like going to work. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's, it's like, you got to first of all, you got to get your stance, right? So you get that, you breathe, and then you get your fingers in the right space. And then you get the hook and you put the hook in it and you make sure the, the fingers behind the trigger and then you line up to give you a light. Yeah. So as long as you put that little black thing where the light is and you line it up and you breathe and you're relaxed, like if you're doing stand up or boxing or whatever, you know, you get rid of your anxiety and your nerves, you just kind of breathe and you just go in it and in it and because of the light, the yellow light needs to be lined up with the bull or the geese or what was it? That was a bull elk. A bull elk. Yeah. As long as you line it up, it gets right in the right. Right. Yeah. And you look through the peep site, that's a black thing you're talking about. Yeah. The fiber optic pin is what's lit up. You use a yellow pin on that elk and you line that up, you relax. As you said, like, I would say let the bow do what it's intended to do. We can only screw it up as a man. Right. If we let the bow do what it does and that's where you try to relax and have no impact, like you're not twisting your wrist, you're not punching the trigger back here, you just relax, slowly squeeze and keep that pin there. And then, yeah. And then also another thing is don't put your, don't put your arm on the wire, move it away and you have to have the fingers that way, right? Yeah. So that's, that's something I learned too. That's the grip on the bow or if people go too deep in like this and they rotate that forearm in the string hits and that's called a string bite basically or string slap on your forearm. But if you rotate and put it, have it basically down your thumb there and your fingers resting on the front of the grip, then that forearms are the way. And then when you started working with Joe, was that, that was 2014? Yeah. Where you took them up to, what was it, Canada? Alberta. Yeah. Yeah. And then so would you guys fly up there? And then how long were you up there for? And how many, and that was the first animal he killed? That he killed a deer with a rifle before. Oh, with a rifle? With a rifle. Oh, so do you shoot rifles too? I don't. Oh, no, I only get the hell out of here. I thought we're going to shoot a rifle later. I thought that was part of this thing. We go from a thing. No, I'm just kidding. So, um, yeah. So I don't rifle hunt, but I took him, took him up there on his first bowels, his first bow hunt. And I said, let's do a bear because I could sit with him and be right there with him and a bear would be at 20 yards, very close. That's close. And I could say whether it was a male or female and everything. And I could say relax, just like I did with you today, like relax, keep the pin there. So kind of you walked, I got a whisper because the animal's right there, but you kind of whisper through the process. It's a good for a first time archer. That's a good hunt. And we were up there probably, I don't know, five days, we both killed bear and he made a great shot and it's just been addicted to bow hunting since then. Yeah. Yeah. And then, so like we talked about off camera when we were there, basically what you do is you shoot them in this area. In the lungs. In the area. And then when we go to say like Ruth Chris Steakhouse or, you know, Mastros or, you know, STK and we're sitting there and we're having this killer ass meal, you're the one that kills these animals that are that meal. That's right. Yeah. So for instance, tell us what you do. You kill it and then you start ripping it apart because you have to physically walk over to it and you're going, yo, dude, I'm sorry, I killed you, but you're going to feed my family. Right. Yeah. So what do you say? Do you say I'm so sorry and do a thing or what? I don't say, I don't speak verbally generally, but it's, I mean, you killed the guy. There is respect, there is honor and, you know, I am appreciative that animal gave his life for me to survive. Right. So it's, there's, there's a lot of reverence there. And I don't like when hunters don't act like they, they did something. That's, you took a life, right? You should honor that. You should respect that. And, uh, and he's like a real person kind of, I mean, it's like a bull. It's when these guys are looking to get you to get the game. Can you pan around so we can get a B roll shot of all these things he killed that he's talking about? Like, there you go. Thank you, sir. Like a bull like this would be 10 years old. So it's lived out there. It's lived wild for 10 years. How long do bulls usually live before you kill 10 is old. But if I, yeah, if I can get one 10, I mean, I've killed one that was 15 years old. Yeah. And that's a very old cause life in the wild is tough, dude. Lions, bears, wolves. Have you been to Africa and done a game farm before? I have. I've been to Africa, but not on a game farm. So I was in, well, that'd be crazy if you were on a game farm and you brought your bow and then the tour guide, but you go, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the f***? Sorry, man. I'm just addicted to killing these motherf***ers. Yeah. I, I, I, I, I, it's, that's great. Cause I've been to Africa, dude. Have you? And I've seen the giraffes and I've seen the lions and I've seen all that shit. What country? It's f***ing, it was like, I think Joe Berg, well, no, it's South Africa, but Oh, Johannesburg. Yeah. Johannesburg, but I went on a game farm. It was pretty wild. And the giraffes are right out there. It's beautiful. Yeah. But you saw lions too. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That's gnarly dude. So I've, I've went to Tanzania where there's no fence or anything is wild and I've hunted Cape buffalo, lions, um, Impala, uh, Kudu, Hyena. So I've, I've, yeah, I've been there a lot. Okay. So, so you go and you, you kill this, this deer or this bull, right? And then you walk over it and what do you say to it? I say, oh, me so sorry, I kill you for your beef. You mother f***ing in my mouth. Fill up my belly. Fill up my belly. Pretty much. That's a joint. That's a joint. And you bring some soy sauce and teriyaki sauce right there. Yeah. Start to marinate. And you're straight up farm the table, bro. Yeah. That's you. Right? Yeah. So I go over there. I, why don't you have some beef for us to eat right here, bro? Let's eat this shit. James. What kind of host are you, man? This is, this is embarrassing. Yeah. Maybe we get my dogs. Yeah. And we just chop them up. Yeah. Okay. So go on. Yeah. So I go over there. Um, you know, tell the animal, I appreciate a sacrifice. This, this how I survive. I'm gonna feed my family, my community with this. So after that, then I get, get to work. I start to skin the animal out. You got to get the hide off of it like this. So you got to get the hair off it. So that's a wolf hide right there to get that off or this is raccoon, obviously. Here. Can I put the raccoon hat on? Yeah. That's badass. Of course. So is this, would you ever kill weasels? Cause you know, my character's like a weasel. Yeah. No, I don't think I wouldn't kill. That looks good. Dude, that's badass. Look, I look like a baby Joe Rogan, dude. Hey, come on, brother. Let's get some deer and eat that mother. I like it. I like it. That's good. Sorry. Go on. Um, so yeah, then we, we use a very sharp knife. We start to skin the animal out. Did Joe skin the knife or skin him too? Yeah. Yeah. We went through that whole process. So he went through it. Was he, was he throwing up or was he cool? No, no, no. But it's just people get grossed out by it. Sometimes. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Go on. He was fine, but we have a great picture of me and him skinning out his first bear. It's like a classic. Um, but yeah, so you get the hide off and then it's basically that meat is exposed. The meat's still all on the bone, of course, but the height is off of it. And then you start to cut the meat off or cut the quarters off, which means you cut the legs off. So the front legs, that's the front quarters, the back legs are the hind quarters. Lots of like on a bull elk, this hind quarter one leg might weigh, could weigh 80 pounds. Yeah. Yeah. Like heavy and moose are even bigger. But so we have to take it off in chunks. Then we tie that 80 or 90 pounds to our pack and haul it out. Then you leave the rest and you got to cut in all that shit and do the hyenas come and get the guts. Well hyenas would be in Africa, but here it would be like a black bear, coyotes, lions, things like that. And then you go eat the, you know, then you get the hawks. Birds, they come down, right? They can really f**k out meat. Oh, I'm sure. And if you see the Africa, you leave the brains and all that shit, right? Right. So the testicles, you bring them sometimes for the gays. Sometimes. Yeah. For James, the testicle festivals. I've been to the testicle festivals. Have you been to the testicle festivals? I haven't. Where you eat the fried balls? I haven't. But you've heard about it. I've eaten fried balls. Yeah. Yeah, they're good, right? Yeah. Yeah. James loves them on his chin. Whoa, bro. Just fresh, fresh, regular soft balls. Yeah, I don't like them fried. No, you like them like seared. Okay, go on. So then we get that meat off. So you come back in a backpack. So like a, how much does a moose weigh? Is this, so it's a moose, a deer, or a bear? That's it. It's a, lions and tigers and bears. Oh my moose elk deer bear. Okay. So you got a moose. You got an elk. What the? A lot of people that are learning from this. What the is his problem? Well, he doesn't get it, dude. The way I slow shit down trying to explain it or for the people watching that are trying to, they come in it like me, fish out of water, bro. Yeah. You know, I don't know this shit. So I'm trying to slow down the process. So you got a moose, you got an elk, and you got a deer and a bear, right? And that's it. Generally, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, no, I got to know for sure. Are those the four, four animals that I hunt? Yeah. Well, most people do. Oh, most people, most people I'd say would just hunt deer and elk. Okay. But, but on the playing field, those are the four ones mostly. Yeah, I mean, there's others. What the is he there's others. What is he doing? Who cares? He's not with us. Well, let's see. So there's 29 big game animals in North America, 29 different species. Okay, then now we're going into that's another podcast. So just for you got four main ones. We'll just four main ones. And so who when you when you kill one, what is the one that you get most stoked about killing? I don't know. I don't know what that is. So this big bull elk. Yes. I mean, how can you how can anything be more badass than a big bull elk? Okay, so an elk, an elk is the number one. I would say I could elk or giant bear, because I like dangerous game. And then this is the giant bear. Yeah, lift up. Oh, shit. So that bear was nine foot six inches tall. Wow. So this is a bear bear. So kind of like when you see those videos on YouTube, yeah, like people getting scared about the bear going in that this is a bear. Did you ever see that the show called Grizzly Man with Timothy tread treadwell, he tried to live with the bear. Oh my god, and he was friends with them. And then they ate him and his girlfriend. The bear eventually ate the bear eventually ate him and his girlfriend. He thought or the or he ate his girlfriend. And then the bear killed him because he was jealous. Now my I don't know how I don't know the chain of events. But what I do, right, people are getting eaten out. I do know that he felt that he and the bears were friends and the bears didn't maybe have that same understanding. Wow. They thought that oh no, you're a morsel. Wow. Okay, so so you take back all the meat, you couldn't possibly eat all that meat by yourself. Well, let me think about this. So an elk, you'll get say 300 pounds of meat. I eat probably two pounds of meat every day. I've been shooting Hoyt for over 20 years now. And they're a lifetime partner of mine. That's not something I take lightly. I stay with partners that prove themselves. And Hoyt continues to do that year after year. They shattered the industry standards and built the AX 90, the first 90 pound bow to exist and be offered to consumers. Why? Because they have pioneered more advancements in archery than any other company of their time. That's why I work with them because they are the best. For me, I want the most energy I can shoot in a bow. I want a heavy arrow hitting hard. To do that, I like to shoot 90 pounds. 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So I need to kill two bowls just for myself, but I have five people in my family. And do you have a freezer with a whole bunch of meat? I have three freezers. Three freezers. Three freezers, that's awesome. Most people... Do you ever have to... Do you ever sell it to like Ruth Grist or a Mastros or anything? No, because... STK? No. What about cut? That's Wolf King Guts, Wolf King Puck's place. No, because these animals in the wild are very lean, whereas a good steak is fat. Like these cows, they don't move, right? They got marbled fat all over their muscle, because they're not in shape. But that fat is what gives them meat flavor. When you get a ribeye, very fatty, but very flavorful. And elk is very lean, so it doesn't have that fat in it. So they don't want the elk. They don't want the elk. For taste-wise, it wouldn't be anywhere close to like a ribeye, but for what it means to me and what it offers me nutritionally, it's way better. Because it means something. I killed it. I didn't just pay somebody to kill it. You go to Ruth Grist, you're trading money and you're saying, hey, could somebody kill this for me and put it here? Yeah. Well, that's what a normal person does. You're crazy. I'll do it myself. Yeah, you do it yourself. That's insane. And you're going to do it because you got a bow now. Yeah, I got a bow. What are we going to hunt? I live in the Hollywood Hills. I'll kill some movie executives or something. That'll be good. Yeah, I think, I mean, I don't think anybody... Look, I'm like Daniel Boone, bro. What do you think? I don't think anybody would argue with killing me. Yeah, movie execs. But yeah, it was pretty fun. So yeah, it's definitely addicting. I don't think it's like golf. I've been out on the golf course. I'm not a golfer. You know, it's not my thing, but I have been out there. Not for me. This seems a little bit more... You like it? ...my style. Yeah. Why? I think the machine itself is interesting. Just that machine, how it's so complicated. But yet it's not. There's so many little things. I think that's interesting to try to figure it out. And then once you figure it out, it's so advanced that it almost does it for you. And I think that's kind of cool. Could you ever see yourself hunting? Yes. Really? Yes. Really? Yes. What would you want to hunt? Well, you said the geese, right? What was it? You said the elk? Yeah, the elk. Yeah. That would be cool. Well, I think it would be cool to do what you did, which is kill an elk, say sorry, dude, and then eat it. Yeah. That's life to you. That'd be wild. That's the circle of life right there. That's how it's intended to be. What about that show Survivor? Yeah. Do you ever see that? Yeah. Yeah. Because they're really out there trying to survive, even though there's a crew. Right. It teaches them to be resilient, for sure. I mean, there's a couple of shows like that. They're Survivor, then Alone. Have you ever seen Alone? Alone is they drop them off like in Alaska. And sometimes they kill stuff up there. Wow. Like they have a bow. So one guy killed a moose. Like one of those big moose. And so he ate on that moose. But yeah, it's like survival. But hunting teaches you that. Hunting teaches you to be in the mounds, to be aware, to look at things differently, like as a predator and as somebody just trying to survive. And also to be predated. Yeah. I mean, it's skill or be killed. But most people are so unaware of their surroundings. Whereas a hunter, that's all hunting is. As you're observing, you're feeling the wind, you're looking at how the weather coming in, you're wondering how it's going to change things. You're watching the animals react. Why are they doing what they're doing? So you're kind of breaking it down and learning. And you have to be immersed in the whole experience to do that. Right. Most people are like, do do do do. No, it's a feeling. They have no clue. But it's the same thing with Stand Up. Yeah. Well, yeah, of course. I mean, every crowd's different. Just like every, you know, you going out is always different. I'm sure every, you know what I mean? You don't know your playing field, right? No, changes. Yes. So as a stand up, you go out there and you feel the audience. Yeah. And you don't know where the you're going to go. Right. That makes sense. And you still don't, I still don't know where I'm going to go. And also I always tell comedians, I say, the most important, this is what I learned from at the Comedy Someone. I used to watch Sam Kandason and Richard Pryor because those were, to me, the masters when it comes to likability on stage, when it comes to getting the audience on their side, which was listen to the audience. The audience tells you where to go. You don't tell the audience where to go. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. So for instance, with you, you go out there, you don't know what's going to be there. Right. So you got to figure it out based off of what you're presented. Yeah. Is that correct? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So with the stand up is the same thing. Yeah. Sometimes you get hecklers, sometimes you get people that are really quiet. Right. Sometimes you get people that you kind of adapt it and you figure it out when you're in the mix. Yeah. No, I think, but probably not all comedians are good at that. Don't they have their normal set list and then they, some of them are just kind of going through, you know, checklist type stuff. Whereas the good ones, like you're talking about with you and like with Sam Kandason and things like that, they're reacting. It's more of a dance or relationship. And I say that with, again, I surf and I've been surfing since I was 11. It's the same thing with dropping into the wave. Like you don't tell the wave where to go. The wave is going to tell you where to go. So it's the same thing with, I assume you, when you get out there, you don't go, I'm going to do this. I'm going to wait to see what the around you. Well, first of all, that's how you react, right? If the wind is at my back, you don't know, it's different all the time. Right. Those animals know I'm coming before I get there. Because my, my scent is blue to them and they smell that. That's how they survive. So first of all, I got to figure out which way the wind's going. See where I think the animals might be and then get the wind right to be in my face. So it's like, yeah, I can't change the wind. So right, I have to adapt to it. And I think that's the way with dance partners and, you know, I think that's life. You know, life gives you obstacles every day and you kind of have to adapt to it. Yeah. But it was cool meeting you because I met you at Joe's club, the mothership, and then I told you I was going to hit you up. Yeah, I know. And then I thought I'd never hear from you. Yeah, yeah, no, I was told you for sure I was going to hit you. That was pillow talk. No, here I am wearing a dead skunk on my head. You know, but I don't know what else to talk about. I think we're good, right? We're good. Other than James, we hate this guy. Obviously everyone hates him. No, he's cool. James is cool. You need to take guy around. He's got a couple of questions, probably. Okay. Yeah, I got a couple. Dude, we're not answering like what was my favorite movie I did. Yeah, you frickin idiot. That's not going to be like... You're not going off the list. Yeah, I know. What was it like to wheeze the juice? No. Come on. No, what are the questions? How about a little more on your life story? Meh. Okay. Okay. Well, we always do this one, so you'll like this one. Have you ever played Mary Kill? Mary Kill. No, I have not. Okay, so... What's Mary Kill? I'm going to give you three things. What I f*** on when I marry him or kill him? Yeah, so... I was like a one night stand. Okay. Mary is for the rest of your life and kill is never again. Okay. Okay, so your three things are stand up, making movies, and trolling people on the internet. Okay, so the first one is stand up. Yeah. And it's either f*** which means... You'll one night stand. Mary, you're going to do it the rest of your life. Okay, so Mary is on the first one. And kill is... Okay, I already said that. Mary is the first one, I'll do it the rest of my life. Okay. Stand up for sure. Stand up for the rest of his life. Okay. Absolutely. Movies, are you one night stand or never again? Are you going to kill him? No, Mary. You can't marry. You can't marry too. What, these are your rules? Say, okay, we're going to marry Mary. No, I love acting. Acting is so much fun. But is it more fun than stand up? It's a good, good question. Acting is a lot harder than stand up. For me. It's kind of like that bow thing. There's a lot of little, teeny, teeny intricacy things that you have to know about acting. It's very... Stand up is for me. It's like... I mean, acting is like a lot of work. It's a lot of work, but it's very fulfilling. Because if you can... I mean, if you look back on all my films, I prepare, believe it or not, I prepare for everyone before I went into it. It wasn't like I just showed up, even though it seemed like I did. But it's very... I don't say the word strategic, because that's not a great word, but it's very thought out before you go into films. It's not random. No, it's not random. And I think the fulfillment of that, even my Richard Simmons short film, which I worked really hard on, that's on the internet. It's called, Court Gesture, where I play Richard Simmons. That was a lot of work. I mean, to prepare for that. Because when you watch it, it's not a whatever. So acting to me is... It's great because it's really hard. And I love that. It's more fulfilling. What about with people online? So where's that... Going to marry that too? Yeah. Yeah, marry that too. Just because that's what we talked about at the beginning. It's just I like having fun with people. I like getting people's reactions. I like walking into coffee shops and sitting there and having people not know who I am and then just start making weird things just to see people looking at me like I'm crazy. Are you Mormon? No. Because you married, married, married. You got three wives now. Oh, well then that then I think of that maybe I should be Mormon. I think that could be good. Okay. What else you got, James? Earlier you talked about the importance of mourning and how to handle that. But where do you think comedy falls in and humor falls into that process? Well, I think it's important when we lose people and whether it was my parents or different things or... First of all, you have to realize that at some point this whole thing is a wrap. Meaning we're all going. It's a short time that we're on this. How long do you want to play victim in your day to day when something bad happens to you? Up here, you have to mourn and you have to be sad and you have to go through it. But like I said, my parents died and I can sit around and mope about it. Or I could say, hey, that was an amazing run. Like let's move forward because that's what my parents would want. Your parents don't want you to be sad. Your parents want you to say, stop being a little pussy. I had an awesome run. Now it's your turn. Go do it. Right. And I think it's important that we mourn but we don't sit in it forever. A lot of people get over whether it's a divorce or a friendship, a sibling, this or that, whatever it is, they just sit and they stew. And that stew kills you. Yeah. You know what I mean? And that's why you got the cold plunge. And that's why you got the hot sauna. And that's why you do your hikes because you have to let go. I've been going to the gym my whole life. It might not look like it. It's not like I'm like this. I don't do peptides and all that shit because I don't know about all that. I know nothing about it. I'm scared to do that type of stuff. But like my dad, he's been going to the gym. I've been a gym rat since I've been in 10th grade from high school. I've always done some sort of exercise. And it's not just for this. It's for this. Right, definitely. And I think that's the most important thing about life is letting go, dude. Yeah. Letting go. And I think that's, you know, and just being here right now because like you said at breakfast, it's not, nothing is guaranteed. No. You know what I mean? It's like, we all have friends that have died of cancer. You hear it every day. I found something in my tomb. I had a kind of tumor in my pancreas. I didn't know where and how to take care of that. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and, but I think the most important thing, it sounds kind of corny. Just be cool. Yeah. You know, be cool to everyone. You know, someone came up to you at the, at the breakfast place. You're cool to them. Just be nice to people. Yeah. And I think that's the most important thing. Don't be an asshole. And, and, and that's, you know, and, and, and lead with your heart and find something to get you out of bed. Yeah. I like, you know, like you found this. I found this. Yes. And that's the most important. James found. Yes. All right. Good night, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you very much. Can I keep this hat? It's cool, bro. No, I don't want to. You can't keep it. That was a gift too for me, but I will say, Paulie, it's, you know, you are one of a kind. You are everybody like fall. I followed your career for decades now and you are truly like you're, you're an icon and just one of it. There's nobody like you. And I love meeting people who, you know, everybody's like kind of a different version of somebody else. It feels like you aren't. I love it. Yeah. I love it because I get bored with people. Yeah. Eddie Murphy said that too. I mean, not to like drop names, but, you know, I've known him for 40 years. Yeah. And he always said that there's no one like you. Yes. You know, and that's, I mean, that hits me sometimes. So when you say that, it makes me feel good. That you should. Thank you. It should because you haven't changed. You've been who you are and I just, it gives me, it makes me feel good. I mean, just seeing you so authentic and unique and it's just that's, I, I want to embrace people like that. So I thank you. I'm very appreciative of your time and grateful for the time we were able to hang out today. But I didn't know how this was going to go. You know what I mean? But I don't like to commit, you know, that's probably the reason why I'm single. No, I like it. You know what I mean? It's like, I don't know you. You don't know me. We met at Joe's. Joe's our mutual friend. Yeah. You know, we both love Joe. And, and I told you, I was my word. I told you I was going to hit you up. I hit you up and it was just flowed. Yeah. And made sense. Now it was great. It was great. You did good. Awesome. Awesome, brother. And your gold tooth is cool. Hey, mother. Yeah, man, you're a mouth now. Muff. She is. That's right. Hey, brother, my man brother. Hey, man. Toof. All right. Well, should we go sauna? Yeah, let's go sauna. All right. Later. Keep them. Later, dudes. All right, hunters. Listen up. Honey season's here. And the last thing you want is to tap out before the action starts. That's why I'm dialing in with Mountain Ops Ignite. Ignite isn't your average energy drink. It delivers smooth, long-lasting energy, no jitters, plus mental clarity that cuts through the backcountry fog. Powered by amino acids and brain blend of new tropics and 200 milligrams of clean caffeine, Ignite keeps you sharp and pushing hard mile after mile. 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