Episode 625: Gloom, Despair, and Agony

Like the midnight and the rock and roll. He's in a fight for wrestling. So we're using a racket and some mind control. Like he's Jim Cogniz. The keys to the future. Held by the past. And we're tag team partner. But right at last. He sends this message out by podcast. Jim Cogniz. Well, he's never fake or funny. Well, he's never fake or funny. He never backs down from the fight. He never wins the pony. Because his mama raised him right. It's time to prepare your mind. Get the experience. Get the experience. Get the experience. Jim Cogniz. Hello again, everybody, and welcome to another exciting episode of the Jim Cornette Experience today. Despite no cooperation whatsoever from the world of pro wrestling, we're going to have a fun, exciting show filled with thrills and hilarity for all. And then we'll talk about the wrestling. And joining me for all this and more, Hawaiian Brian, the podcasting line, the king of the Arcadian Vanguard podcast network, Mr. Co-host to you, a fiery voice, a cloud of smoke, and a hearty tally ho. Be great, Brian Last, everybody. Hello, hi, Jim. A pleasure to be here once again. I'm glad to hear you're in a good mood. We're going to have fun today. Fun wrestling talk on your show. What makes you think I'm in a good mood? You said something. Do you said happy or fun or something? I could be putting up a brave front, because the whole world is the shits and I'm miserable. See? But you wouldn't be able to because I'm that kind of person I can turn it on, baby. When the red light comes, do we have a red light here on this program and this apparatus? Or there's a green light on my microphone. I can't see it because of the dust cover. When it comes on, baby, I'm on. I'm up. I got to come through for the people, for the Gulf of Cornette. Even though really I'm wallowing in a sea of misery and despair, gloom, despair and agony, oh me. Deep, dark depression, excessive misery. If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all. Gloom, despair and agony, oh me. Like send out a special blessing to the late Archie Campbell. All right. You really took the spirit out of this show. Well, it's haunted. It's haunted. It's hated, as Aunt Lola would say. It's got the haints in it. The wrestling industry is snake bit as a whole, I have come to realize. We're going to talk about a variety of things here today, but many of the current ones aren't going to be that up tempo. So we're going to balance that out with some classic shit that might be fun. But real quick, just from the readers, the readers. The listeners. I've been reading the writings of the listeners. They've written to me. And Alex Khalil, a longtime Cult of Cornette member who always signs off with fuck Vince Rousseau. So we know he's dedicated. He lost his grandfather recently. He had been in bad health since he fell off his lawn mower. He was 87 years old and broke his neck and had to go to the retirement home. But they loved listening to Jerry Clower. Because his grandfather was a big fan. And if they would drive around when he was a kid, he would listen to his tape and et cetera. And then when he passed away, Alex started listening to Jerry Clower again. So how? We want to send you sympathies on your grandfather. But again, and poor Jerry Clower, I just recently found out. You may have been the one to tell me, passed away, didn't he? Like Jerry Clower? Yeah, like 20 years ago or whatever. I mean, I don't remember talking to you about him anytime recently, but I don't remember him being alive anytime recently either. Well, that's the thing is I think I got Randy Atchard on him too. But anyway, and Steve from Sacramento. I wondered if you could give a shout. This is a quote. I'm reading the email. If you could give a shout out to my wife, Katie, who's having a hysterectomy on March 18. Without going into too much detail, her uterus has to go. It's done nothing but cause her crippling pain her whole life. We're both in our 30s. We don't want any kids. So we won't miss the damn thing anyway. But if you could wish her a successful surgery and a smooth recovery. And Steve, again, thank you. Well, why, Katie, you're the one who's going to have the smoothers, the slick recovery or the greased. I wish you a slick past recovery. A slick smooth is what I'm so smooth recovery. Greased. Smooth recovery. Well, there's going to need to buy necessity. There'll need to be some grease involved. I like this email. I don't want to say too much, but here's everything that's about to happen. Well, anyway, and also, you know, to both of you, we wish a happy and merry and joyful recovery over all of those things. That's right. The show will get better. What have we just started? I'm just a fast to do it. Just giving them something to look forward to. Oh, so there's some hope they can cling to, like the carrot in the stick. They dangle the carrot, you get the stick. And I want to say something here at the top of the program real quick. There has been, for the last year or so, and I mentioned it last year, and we made a contribution. Stacey and I did back then. But there's been a go fund me for Dutch Mantel, that his daughter, Amanda, has organized and is overseeing. Because Dutch and his wife, Kathy, they've been married 50-something years. But they both had to move to assisted living over the last year, and they had a number of health issues. Kathy's not doing real well right now. I bet you can go to, I'm not going to list chapter and verse their medical reports, but you can go to go fund me and type in, as we usually do, for dirty Dutch Mantel, it'll come up. There's not two of them. And you can see some of the problems they've been having, but they're both in assisted living. Kathy's been back in a hospital, and in Dutch went to the hospital for a few days at least, here just recently, for a problem that medicine that the VA hospital had prescribed for the last 20 years. But the point that brings up, that's something we didn't mention the last time, Dutch is a veteran. He was in Vietnam before he became Dutch Mantel. And Amanda has still had problems with the veterans' administration authorizing this, or agreeing to pay for that, or whatever. And they've still got a lot of out of pocket costs. If your government tells you to go somewhere and let people shoot at you, should you have to worry about any health-related bills and issues when you're 76 years old or whatever he is? Yes, he is. But anyway, if anybody wants to check out to go fund me, I just want to let people know it's still there, and there's still a need for it for the family. Brian, there may be another go fund me related to wrestling, just as we were about to go on the air and do this program. Don't you love my 60s radio colloquialisms? We were about to go on the air. We were about to start this fucking show, and we were suddenly alerted to something, I guess just happened like last night as you and I are sitting here. And they've not become our whipping boy over the last few weeks, but it's come up. But apparently now people online are bringing attention to the fact that last night, I guess, in an Ohio Valley wrestling TV taping or whatever they were doing over there for whatever means of distribution, a referee went into a fucking seizure as bad as I've ever seen. A person have a fucking seizure, including all these, you know, boxing knockout videos. And the fucking guys in the ring just kept having to match around him until people started realizing, oh, shit, that guy's having a fucking seizure. And people started getting in the ring to do what I don't know. But apparently this is something that just happened. And as I said, I don't know who any of these people were in this match. I've never met any of them. I haven't been in that building in a decade, as the kids say. And I don't know who's on site running this fucking dog and pony show. But the blokes over at West Favorsham better have deep pockets, because if this ain't a lawsuit, I've never seen one either from this kid or from his family. Because we don't know yet. All we've seen is the video that's been put out. We don't know how the fuck he currently is. And by the way, his name, the referee's name is Dallas Edwards. Apparently a longtime referee, locally and Louisville. And also Stephen P. News numbers 87750 Steve. I should do this, Dallas. Um, I mean. And we've talked about, and this is again, for any of these indie groups or wrestling schools or whatever the fuck. Some of them often become. Well, all these people want to be wrestlers, but they they shouldn't be pro wrestlers, but they want to do it. So everybody's nice to each other and everybody gets to live their dream. And we'll find a place for a little Pismo over there, even though he's five feet one and 110 pounds. We'll put him in the ring with guys away three times as much as he does to be moving around at least even if he's not wrestling, he can be a referee, whatever. And much of the audience. For these regular, weekly, local extravaganzas that happen across the country. I'm not just picking on OVW, even though I'm describing it currently. Consists of the same people who come because they know the guys that girls are the they're just they're into the thing. But for fuck's sake. I'm not even talking about the dropping K. Fabe. In and, you know, a court that wouldn't tell people to drop K. Fabe just because the guy got potatoed. No. If anybody wants to go and watch this video, which I assume is going to be circulating because we found it. It's on was on Tik Tok or the guy's Facebook and a guy on Facebook said, I'm not taking this shit down because fuck these guys. This is bullshit. And by the way, it's already on Tik Tok. And apparently they're trying to get it taken down, obviously. Well, the one would think because it's going to be evidence in the fucking court case. But the point where I was going with that was. If everybody wants to get together and all be a friends and group and OK, you can't let. People that are not physically equipped to do certain things, do certain things. In this case, what caused this? It wasn't like he's. I'm pretty sure this guy has no prior history of epilepsy, because I can tell you this is the. Biggest concussion seizure. That I've ever seen on camera in my fucking life. I've never seen like this in person. It was scared to shit out of me. But when this big whoever the fuck guy number one was. Is going to dive off the top rope with a cross body or a phenomenal forearm or whatever he's trying to do. And the other guy moves out of the way. He's supposed to wipe out the referee. And this was as bad of a wipeout as I've ever seen. This six foot whatever, 200, whatever pound fucking guy. Just blistered this fucking referee in the middle where he went down and it. If it had been on the W.W.F. I'd say it would have been a fight in the locker room, except that this referee would have not been allowed to take this kind of thing because the size of him. Was ridiculous that if this guy. If he was supposed to just hit him on the way by. Then that may be one thing, but if this guy cross body does fucking little referee. And not only would have I'm sure broken some ribs if it hadn't been for the fact that his head hit so violently. On the back of the map that it knocked him completely fucking unconscious. And he's laying there motionless. And then the guy that landed on him crouched his over him and you could tell he's like, oh shit, sorry. What's the guy's name? The referee Dallas Edwards. Sorry Dallas, you okay? Well, he's obviously not getting an answer because the guy is fucking unconscious. And he's still there asking until the other guy. That he's wrestling comes and picks this guy up as okay, here we go and then he leaves him. And then. I mean, it's blatantly obvious this guy is not moved. Okay, they might be there. Well, we knocked out Dallas. Then. He starts turning over sideways at his legs stiffens up and starts shaking his legs. Stiffens up and starts shaking in the air. And his arm and I mean, I can go back to the goddamn. The video that I'm have been watching several times over the little, let's let's see what the the timing is on this. Brian, hold on here a second because it's got a little time counter at the bottom. So the cross body happens at. Two fucking seconds. And he said, you okay? You okay? And then the other guy gets him and he picks the guy up. They do a drop behind spot and a spin kick and the now the other guy lands right next to the referee. It gets tangled up in his leg. It is like it out of the way. Now the guy's leg is up in the air shaking and he's is seizing. And the big fat guy in the red comes in and body slams the other guy that just fucking killed the referee. And they're contending now is the guy's arms and legs are flailing. And they're all just fucking wandering around. The other guy on the apron is looking at him. The announcers are still calling it now. Oh, the guy in red holds the guy. So the bald guy pulls the referee out of the way and kicks him back footed so that he can get out of the way of the back fist spot. While the guy's arms are stuck up in the air like roadkill shaking. That was at 56 seconds. And then people start you but the camera won't shoot this part because somebody in the master control has said, don't don't shoot this. He's dying or whatever. But you can see people going toward the guy to start to help him and then the clip shuts off. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. And the announcers were calling the announcers picked up on a boy Dallas is seems hurt, etc. Number one. They got a hundred people in this fucking audience. And nobody would be talking about this television show that they just produced at all except for the fact that they may have killed somebody on it. And there was no reason why when the guy went down, the other guy was checking on him and couldn't get anything when they continued if. Let's see what could have happened. One of the other two stupid motherfuckers could have got in there and said, look, he's not moving. Somebody from the back could have cued somebody to go. The cameraman is wired. The floor camera guy, he's standing right there. Put your camera down, tell him, fuck and stop. The announcers, I assume are wired. They used to be somebody from the back could have given them authority. Stop it. And if I had been the announcer as I was on this program in a previous era, I would have seen within 10 seconds. Stop it. But nobody's they're watching and none of the people, the people, there's nobody's even stood up in the crowd. They have killed this audience with his subpar amateur bullshit to the point where nobody cares whether the guy's dying or not. Or like, what is this part of the show? Nobody in the building noticed for 54 seconds or whatever that they'd killed this fucking guy. Hopefully not. But they tried their best. Not only did the guy land on him and give him the concussion and or whatever spinal neuro problems that has manifested itself here. Then they kept on working when he's laying there immobile. And then when he starts moving, like a possum that's just been run over in the middle of fucking street, this one idiot drags him out of the way and kicks him sideways while his his hands are contorted in the air. Like he's shaking. Get out of the way. I got to do my fucking finish. They don't need Stephen P. New. A small town bird lawyer can take this video right there if anybody in this whole fucking mess is insured and own the insurance company. You know, that's one of the things too. We're not talking about this happening at some random independent show or for an independent promotion or you know, for a wrestling school, we're talking about OVW, which made a big deal out of being accredited as a training facility. Well, no, hold on. They were accredited by the state as a trade school. So that that mean, well, they're getting experience with camera positions or the television production or with whatever the fuck to as well as all these things. You cater credit somebody to teach this fucking five foot three hundred and twenty pound guy. Well, now that now that I say the guy that landed on him, he ain't that big either. Now that I see him next to two grown adults, because the guy that fucking drug the dying referee out of the way, to do his spot is twice the size of both of them. What the fuck? You that's nothing about being state accredited that prepares you for this instance. I've never seen anything this bad for me by getting hurt in a ring. I've seen a few of those boxing videos or the fucking, you know, the thing where they run headfirst into each other in Slovakia or whatever goes on. But I've never seen by the ring act like that in my life. But so. But the point is, for almost a minute, nobody could figure out the partner that's kneeling on the apron of the ring over there. Fucking looking in like, well, should I mention this? What the fuck is he doing? I mean, wherever this happens in Romania or, you know, Pittsburgh or OVW or wherever. These are the stupidest people I've ever seen. And when you get in over your fucking head, people have laughed at me when I said we used to have the training camps, we would take applications. Because we wouldn't let people that were not physically equipped to do certain things in the ring to do certain things. I'm not, you know, I mean, Brian Hildebrand makes this poor kid look like Lex Luger. And I'm not trying to say he should never have an opportunity to live his dream. Don't do spots with a goddamn. We never heard a referee in six fucking years. If it was a referee bump, it was a shoulder tackle or he kicked off out of the fucking roll up. Oh, my gosh, not. I'll dive off the top rope and squash you. Yeah, what was the plan? I don't know what the plan was. He did a shoot cross body to someone who clearly couldn't catch him. And it starts so quickly with the setup and a little fucking tiktok graphics on the screen. But he was the big guy that later on kicked the hurt referee out of the way pulled the referee into the move that the guy was doing off the top rope. So it was planned part of the festivities. He'll pulling the referee in the way of this fucking thing. But what he was going to hit him with. He looks like he's doing a phenomenal forearm. But he ended up giving him a shoot cross body where he landed with all of his weight on his fucking guy in the most devastating way possible. And his head just smacks right against the ground. You know, Jim, I just found extended footage. I'm curious how they covered this. Apparently this was a creator sports network simulcast. Good Lord. So whoever that was, this went out live to whatever the OVW audiences. So here's from the side. Yeah. And you know, that's what all these fucking investors got into it. Then things got a lot more glorious. Creator sports live stream of something that a hundred people of their immediate friends and family came to watch. And and they pretty much have given ample evidence to the legal authorities should this young man's family want to get pissy about it to do in front of what, three hundred and sixteen people around the world on the internet. I'm sorry. Go ahead. I'm just I get pissed off. And I can't blame you. Go ahead. This was your company. This was your building. And this is don't blame me. This is what's happening there now. And I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This is what's happening there now. You know what? I wish Danny Davis would have got Danny Davis would have been in there within 16 seconds and fucking cussing at everybody calling ambulance. Well, the video appears after this is all happening. They keep the cameras on. So the wrestler that kind of kicked the referee over he's sitting on the bottom turnbuckle in the corner. It's the only corner they're showing and you see various people kind of with their heads close to the mat. Obviously they're upset about what they're seeing, but we're not seeing it. But let's go to the audio and just hear how it was covered. Dallas! Well, ladies and gentlemen, we have a medical situation obviously taking place in the ring right now. Obviously, things kind of happen. So for the safety of our performers, we're going to we're going to stop down here and I tell you what, we'll see you Sunday, March, Mayhem. We're going to go ahead and go off the air at this point. Thank you for tuning in. We'll see you Sunday. Thanks for tuning in tonight. And that's how they went off the air. Well, and again, in all seriousness, we hope this young man's all right. He did nothing wrong. He may have been the only person involved in this. He did nothing wrong. But it just, it's become a fantasy camp. Environment, not only an OVW, but in all of these, these, they all want to mimic and copy the big promotions in terms of what they do and how they try to present everything. But in doing so, they come off as ridiculous, low rent copies and they're still trying to do all the dangerous shit that even the fucking professionals get hurt doing. And I'm saying, you know, the announcer there, I don't know who the announcer was. He sounded like he was 17 years old. It's, it's just, if you want to teach the basics and the storytelling and play wrestling and everybody gets a chance to run the camera and be part of the crew and rah, rah, then somebody has to put a cap on them as far as what they're trying to do in physicality or the risk element or the risk element or the dangerosity or however the fuck you want to phrase it. Body slams and hip tosses in the ring and backdrops, stuff like that's okay. That's part of wrestling. If everybody is a goddamn legitimate age and halfway decent physical condition where you think they're not going to snap in half then basic local pro wrestling, fine. But when you're letting people who dream of doing something more than they ever legitimately actually need to be doing it start fucking do it all this shit, then it's, it's, no, at some point you have to tell people, look, if you want to be here and have fun, fine, but you don't need to be doing certain shit or who was, you know, who is there to oversee this shit when something like that goes wrong? If it was my days, I was the boss as well as the announcer. I could have said in five seconds, stop that. Danny Davis was the owner as well as the producer on headset in the control room. He could have said in five seconds, stop that. What was the chain of command here? Who is in charge on the, on these tapings if something like this happens? Or is everybody left up to let somebody else be the first one to say it because I'm, I don't have the authority. The announcers, they're just part of the crew like the wrestlers, the referees, even the, the camera man's there watching this fucking guy. Can he say something? Did he buy that's why I'm so who's in charge is Al Snow off on a meeting with the people in West Faber-Sham. Who does he leave in charge? What the fuck is going on around here? Anyway, I just started all over again. Didn't I? Well, you know, it's one of the problems when you were in OVW, you, you, you had Danny Davis, had Rip Rogers, various other people who would come and help who had to adhere to the protocol that you guys set up. Well, but not even adhering to a protocol like it's against our better judgment, but they'd want us to stop this when this guy's, you know, swallowing his tongue. But you know what I mean. Common sense. It was, it was professionalism. It was, and again, a lot of people saw a court that would get mad at him if they broke K-fabe in the middle of a match. Not when it's obvious like this. Everybody should immediately go, whoa, whoa. And somebody besides the wrestlers, unless one of them's gimmick is a goddamn EMT, should be sliding in there a lot quicker than that to help his fucking guy out. That's what I'm, it's not, and this would be for any other independent promo. I won't say any other. I've seen some lullapaloozas, but any legitimate wrestling school or independent promotion that I've been involved with over the past number of years that was on the ball would have had something going on before this. It just, it was, was everybody just afraid to be the one to say, oh golly, stop the show. Well, that's what we're going to say. I don't even know. That's the latest OVW. And it's just, it's a sad thing, not even just OVW, just the state of independent wrestling and the wrestling training schools and it's hard for the business when there's no foundation, whether it's a foundation of knowing how to work or a foundation of just having voices that are going to tell you things you don't want to hear that are right. And it doesn't seem like there's a lot of that. And you question the people that run these schools and these systems, what they know and understand, even if they've been around for a long time, it's just a sad state of affairs. There aren't a lot of options. And I mean, this is as minor league as minor league could be. And hopefully this guy sues the shit out of everyone involved. They all deserve it. And, you know, I just thought of something for saying, well, people say, well, that's small times to remember in AEW. It was like five years ago, six years ago when they first started that they knocked the guy out and then all from the door, grabbed him by the leg and drug him out of the way so they could keep their match going and they got heat for that. The Dark Order. That's right. That was a dangerous place. Okay. And for people who remember that and may have seen that, but haven't seen this thing we've just been talking about, this is like 12 times worse. This is a godness. Oh, no, no. If this happened on AEW TV, there would be no, I think Tony Khan and AEW would be getting killed from everyone right now. If this happened on AEW TV, they'd be getting canceled and or Shad Khan would be sued into bankruptcy and that's it. Again, it can happen. Jesus Christ, this guy was, he was too small and the guy, even if the guy was going to nail him and go past him, it's not a spot you do with these fucking young point being this is intricate flare steamboat kind of timing for two kids in a wrestling ring kind of fucking execution. But they were still in a ring and he was just coming off the top rope on AEW on a given or in WWE now on a given television program. How many times do you see a guy coming off the top rope onto the floor and they're taking the bumps and I know they got the pads, but there's the metal rail or the wooden desk and multiply that over and over and over and see what are these days. Well, now I don't even want to just mention my ring war and stuff that's going to go on sale at JimCornette.com. But go this is the spot that I had for it originally in the program before we found out that this poor guy got his bell rung as they say, but the bell will ring on March 21st. You'll be able to log on to JimCornette.com and see the ring worn and used type of things where I've claimed to close it out. We've been talking about this past few weeks. My last rackets that I have actually used, I don't hit people over the head anymore. My legitimate eyeglasses that I've worn at various eras. I got a nice combo where my TNA trading card and the picture of the tie that I was wearing in the picture on the TNA trading card. You get both of those shirts and jackets and ties and all kinds of fun for all. And you can see the listings because each of these things obviously is one of a kind. So you see the listings on the 21st and scope out what you might be interested in. And then the sale starts Saturday, April 4th at noon Eastern. And then you're just trying to elbow people out of the way to get what you want, folks. But that's the fair way to give everybody a look before we throw up in the floodgates, Brian. And let everybody have a piece of, you know, you could actually theoretically, if you keep these things in the future, you could clone me. Oh boy, even though they have been cleaned, there's still some, you know, various DNA from my interaction with these items. So if you keep them long enough in a plastic bag sooner or later, you could have me. Would you like there to be a humanoid, gym cornet like they're making an AI humanoid, Antonio and Oki to teach the future children, the future generations? Only if he does my bidding. Because see then, yes, the urinate on people's graves. What does that mean? Well, no, see if they, if there was a humanoid, Jim Cornette, he could do a lot of things that Jim Cornette would like to do. But Jim Cornette, the human, not the Oid, don't want to get caught and busted for and pay to pay to penalty for due to boarding with the warden and live on the bounty of the county, whereas the humanoid, what's fucks 50 or 75 years in jail for him? See, I really wish Bobby Heenan was around just so he can call someone a humanoid and they could finally say, you're right, you figured me out. I am a copy. I am the Antonio Oki humanoid. I didn't touch that money. It was Shima. Go talk to him. I'll be in the diet. And then we're not talking the caloric diet, but the the senatorial diet. How come all of the fucking people in the Japanese diet look like they're in good shape, but all our people in a Senate are a bunch of fathead fucks. Vince, I gave you a million dollars. Where is Hogan? I wanted Hogan. I like this. We get weeks and weeks. If they really introduced this robot, this could be the greatest thing for the podcast ever. And then also he did. Does he come with when they marketed my figures, they we K we said comes with whack and racket. Well, does he come with a slapping hand extra big right hand for slapping? I guess it would have to. Now that you think about it, I didn't even think about that aspect of it. We have to give the true Anoki learning experience, slap people in the face. Yeah. So it's got to come from around the sides. They got to refigure the shoulder joint and then it can just slap the fuck out of all the other action figures. But you know, Brian, everything that we've just been talking about, it comes down to communication. If you want to be able to tell the robot, Android, humanoid what your your commands are, what to say, what to say, what to do. You got to communicate. If if things go wrong at a wrestling ring, it would be good if people could communicate because what we have today in society is a failure to communicate. People don't listen. 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Although if you still if you take your thumbs and jammies in real tight, you can you can don't have to hear your wife. Yeah, don't do that. And again, speaking of wives, me and my family, my my my my me and my family. We love our Raycon. We love our earbuds. I know that Stacy is a big fan of the open the essential open earbuds. And of course, I have mine in my hand. I stole it back from Suzanne, who stole it from me before she got a chance to open it. I have it right back here. Well, and now whose turn is it to steal them? And what about that multi angular hook? You know, you can you can just easily turn sweet switch that thing around and just hang it off of everything your nose or whatever dangles on you should just not do that. And the as instructed as advised as it's also you can connect to multiple devices, especially if you've got that multi angular hook. 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It's simple mathematics by Raycon.com slash JCE open, and you're going to get 20% off. And then it was slight modifications you can tune into other radio frequencies and occasionally either hear strategic air commands or what is I can't wait the very, very end of this. I'll leave that as a cliffhanger for next week. It is not a cliffhanger. You can't hear any aviation commands or whatever it is that Jim said. But what you can do is hear your favorite podcasts, your favorite songs, give them to your family, buy them for yourselves. They are there. They are great. We like them. We use them here. Buy Raycon.com slash JCE open. You know, strategic air command. It's an acronym. It's got an acronym SAC. So see, you just want to tune into SAC on your buds. All right, let's talk about AEW. We've killed enough time. Let's get through this. We can talk about something fun. But they tried again this past Wednesday, and they were in beautiful downtown San Jose, California, Bryan. And you know what that means? That means they were right down the road from Campbell by the sea. And Uncle Dave was front row. I thought I thought he was trying to disguise himself and maybe, you know, like you, you see on the army movies, when they're going to be creeping around at night, they smear mud on their face, he put this dark mud all over the top of his head. So I thought he was trying to keep from reflecting light so that he wouldn't be seen. But then somebody told me I was just his hairdo. Oh, his hair died, I guess you would say. His hair, his hair, his hair, his hair do died. You know, naturally it becomes a story when Dave Meltzer appears ringside at AEW, and he did several times here at one point, I think he was having a face to face showdown with Okada. And then you realize Okada didn't even know he was there. He was just walking by. But he was sitting next to a lot of seemingly like some younger people, and his hair was darker than theirs were. Well, you know, that's a that's a byproduct of a lot of tanning time out on the on the beach there. He's always been a California guy. So he's the sun brings out the pigment in his hair, it gets darker as he gets older. You didn't know that? I didn't know that. I grew up on the beach. I didn't know that. Well, you see you're on the other side of the beach. See, it works in opposite for you. What does that mean? See, you're on the east coast beach. You start out dark and get light. He's on the west coast beach. He starts out light and gets dark. It's simple physics. Simple. Yeah, I completely understand it because you're going all the way around the world. Clearly. This is like hooking clearly. All right, when they were they were missing somebody either either the Meltzer situation also coincided with the first time in forever that sock face Excalibur has missed a television broadcast. I'm wondering if this is this a Billy Jack Haynes and Chris Adams situation between Excalibur and Meltzer because is a you know, it just seems odd. I don't know exactly why I don't know if he's ill or what it is, but he wasn't there. I will say it was I think the best commentary they've had on Dominic on Dynamite in a long time and Shivani is still terrible. But with Riccaboni, it was very interesting. He's not as unbearable as he is with Excalibur. And maybe it's because of the mile a minute selling you micro machine style of commentary. But with Riccaboni, the fact that there were three of them there, you weren't overwhelmed by the talking. I thought it was pretty good. But obviously, Riccaboni is somewhat more polished and professional than sock face. But also the problem that they still had Tony do the welcome and bless Tony, but his voice is shot. He just I don't think he ought to be the lead voice and Ian has a pulse and a vocabulary. I believe they should well, I mean, he should replace Excalibur with no doubt. But anyway, it was nice to hear. And Brian Danielson is an adult, but he's an adult that just way too pleased with what's going on. And Tony is a senior citizen that just chimes in ever was a while because he probably really didn't even like this shit, but he just doesn't know what to say. Ian is a younger, still polished professional announcer, but is younger with the hip kids and at least can speak to this generation of people younger with the hip kids younger with the hip kids. All right, anyway, so again, first off on the show, we get Moxley in some formation of his contingent, but they've the whole group was standing out in an empty courtyard and then just walked up the steps into the building. It's a beautiful old building there in San Jose. Been hosting wrestling for nearly 100 years, but it looked like the front steps of the courthouse or a library. And there was nobody outside again. There's no it's why at this point, Kate, they just have their own locker room, but put them in the fucking building. Is there a reason why they just stand out on the side of the street? And it doesn't have the same impact when the sun is out. Yeah, in the daylight, just middle of the day. There's Moxley and his group of homeless wrestlers. They just stand around on the side of the street in the daytime. Yeah, it doesn't have the same impact when you're like, man, it's only 5pm. What are they doing so early? So anyway, it was Dick the Boozer and Claudio against Chichichia and our friend. I'm not going to call him take a shit anymore. I'm just going to call him tack. Tack. Tack short for tack. All right, tack. I thought you were going to take. I mean, you may take your thing and now you're just completely abandoning the take a shit a part of the take as your culture. Well, I was just going to shorten it up, but okay, I'll stick with take. I just thought it would be nice to give him a nickname tack. But what's it? I mean, again, besides, let me say one more thing about Ian Riccoboni. Now that I put him over and praised him and petted on him and everything, as Teenie would say, was he embalmed on the on camera? The makeup Ian, unless you are sleeping in a hyperbaric chamber or something, get out in a fucking sun or do something. I don't know what to say. But it it it that seemed a bit he had just a touch of whatever happened to baby Jane to it. So I'm just telling you, it was my only criticism. He's a big fan of pre death cryogenics. So the horseman here, Moxley's group and the Don Fowles family supposedly have a big rivalry. Right? Oh, it's a boy. It's a Don's family and the death riders, whatever their fucking name is. They have a match every week. But here's the question, Brian, do they ever do angles to build to a match or promos to sell a match? Or do they just do a different fucking match every week? Yeah, because it's been a while since you said, didn't we see this last week? And that was weeks ago at this point, they do a different match and they would do real angles. So unless you consider, for instance, the post match here to be an angle. Well, I mean, but every that's the thing you can't say it's an angle. When every match ends with an angle, then it just becomes part of the match. There is it's not like anything stands out. They did. No matter what the finish is at A.W. chances are the heels are going to get back up and beat the shit out of them. And then there's going to somebody else is going to run out and blah and they but there's no like we did a shocking surprising out of the ordinary thing to these people. And now for the next week or two, we're going to crow about it. But then they're going to come back and say they're pissed about it. And some way or another, we're going to work into some kind of match that favors them. And we're going to advertise that heavily for a week or two or three or four if it's on pay per view. Or just have a goddamn fucking endless matches every week amongst different combinations of the guy, five guys in one group and the 12 guys in the other group. And can you give me a simple answer as to why do they have a problem with each other? I don't know. What is the root of their problem? Why do they have this issue? Well, I don't know why that people just started cheering moxley again, because he just started saying complimentary things about the company on interviews. No, because he started losing matches. Well, and also he finally got beat for a while. They've been wanting to see that. But there was no change of heart or philosophy. And so we don't know what he was really trying to do when he was trying to take over a W. And now we don't know why the unless he's mad that there's more people in the other group and they're trying to take over a W. I guess that's a catch all reason. But anyway, this match 20 minutes into the show before it's over with you, you moxley and take are laying out on the floor somewhere and Claudio is just wrestling the masked fellow. And then they do a spot where hechachichi almost runs into the referee, but both of them fake Lee react. She just stops and freezes like a central park mime while the referee over exaggerate. He puts his arms over the top of his head and bends over. And then when the chia turns around, Claudio pokes him in the eye and small packages in 123 and the fans boot it because it was so obvious that it was bull. They bullshit boot it because they're like, no, bullshit. And they always do that because they these referee deals that they do, they do the opposite. Instead of legitimately laying the referee out and hurting him. They do shit that's so obviously phony that the referees have to overreact to. Remember a couple of shows ago, it was MJF with Kevin Knight. He just reaches up and pushes the referee's leg with his foot and the referee spins away and hangs himself on the rope and sells his shoulder and or they do the spot even the WWE the other night where they almost ran into the referee twice and then actually ran into the referee. So you can almost run into the referee for a little spot. But then if you almost run into the referee and then run into the referee, you've got the people watching to see if you're going to run into the referee. And then they're going to shit on it because it's going to look phony. And so in this case, they're doing this tease thing. Jesus, H Christ. It never looks good. The referees are not let's say none of these guys are Tommy Young. But it's also we didn't ask him to do overly contrived bullshit. If you want to flummox a fucking referee, do a fucking kick out where he gets momentarily flummoxed and poke a guy in the eye. Or if you want to bump him, just move and let the other guy's shoulder tackle him. Those are fairly foolproof. So they booed the finish then Archer and Davis came in and stopped Claudio but Moxley decided to get back in the ring and they stopped him. And I swear to God, this was some of the fakest, the most just lackluster, blasé heat, quotation marks heat that I've ever seen. And then everyone's blows looked like shit. Oh, just a girl's Archer with his cast. Oh my God. Girls fighting in the, you know, recess is what it looks like. And it's embarrassing. And then the heels all tried to get take to hit Moxley with a chair while they held him. But he thought about it and thought about it and he threw it down, didn't want to do it. And then he was telling the other ones not to do it. And the announcer saying yes, he said that he wants to win this thing on his own, blah, blah, blah, but they had a boring argument pantomime while Moxley was just laying there forever. And where was the rest of his fucking gang? There was that with him in the empty courtyard. Where was fucking useless? And where was the other fucking guy? And where was I checked the toilet? And then they, they wouldn't take a shit and finally said, no, you guys go ahead and leave. But then he looks down and makes the stagey belt motion and points pointedly at Moxley laying there and then he leaves with him. And it was not only did I think it was awkward, but to people were like, well, is something going to happen? We're not sure what happened. So that was that. We've seen a lot of the conflicted mute Tekecha over the last few months with him in Ocata. And now this there have been a lot of conflicted. It seems like the babyface turn is coming moment with the callous family over the years, Osprey, who just nicely asked to leave and was told, yeah, sure, why not? And then of course, that was just their way of setting it up. Omega. Now this is building to something. Yeah, again, it was pretty embarrassing when the heel group ran in their Lance Archer, who I just randomly there at times and other times he's not there. And he runs in there and he's throwing the worst looking things and he's using if it's because he's wearing a cast that he can't throw a punch that he shouldn't. But again, I don't know what they were. The thing is that that's why he was that was part of the heat. I'm hitting him with this hard cast in S. O. Even the hard cat. Well, then in that case, then you get in the middle of the ring and everything else stops and you grab the guy, you draw back and you one that looks good. And then everybody can be shocked and react to it instead of just part of this endless parade of meaningless motion. Yeah, well, we're back to a Moxley opening match. Right. Last week was the big break. We had MJF versus Kevin Knight. And now we're back to Moxley opening up the show. I think MJF pulled strings to say, let me get on first before they spoil everything in the world and then get out of here so I don't get any on me. But now we're back to Moxley being put in that position. Even he's going to get some on him. But I get it all on me. He at least he he gets out before the the quarter hours start dropping. I wish we still got those. All right. Moving on. The next contest was for the TNT title. Cal Feltcher defending against Hong Kong Fui. What is Tony's fascination with these? He spent five years shoving the guy that sticks his hands at his pockets down our throat. It was never funny. It was never entertaining. It was a joke and an insult. And Tony pushed him and dressed as him as Halloween or at Halloween. Is this the next mascot that he's going to push to the moon despite all common sense aside and couldn't get over if you filled him up with helium? Who is he going to dress as if Tony dresses as Spitball Bailey for Halloween this year? We're going to have our answer on what's going on here. By the way, Tony, you should totally do that and take lots of pictures and please do that. Oh yeah. Yeah, I'm sure he's going to. You might not be. Hey guys, I know all about speed balls. Anyway, I could be eight ball. Cal came out wearing two belts. And he's in the group with old O boring and he came out with him and he was wearing two belts. And they rang the bell on this thing and obviously I'm sorry. I, I, Cal still has potential and a future if he can get out of the middle of this mess. But I ain't watching as it turned out 19 minutes of spitball for anybody. And that's what they got to play indie wrestler for 19 minutes. Cal is a supposed main eventer and future. What are the pillars of their company? Did they give up on pillars? What are the future top main event fucking superstars of their company? A few of those pillars fell down. Yeah, but now this is what they're building and he's big and he's got the belts and blah, blah, blah. And he in 19 minutes couldn't beat sweet poly peer bread. And then at that point, Ocata jumps up with a screwdriver. Shouldn't it be a disqualification if your corner man or manager jumps up with a fucking screwdriver? Yes, it should be. I mean, it used to be a draw the referee. I jump up on the apron, he'd come over, get down, you must get that if I've got a fucking screwdriver. So the referee goes there. Davis runs down. So now it takes Kyle, his two of his cohorts to beat again, this minute little offensive nerd. Davis runs down, hands Cal a title belt. And Cal swings the thing a foot over the top of Bailey's head and Bailey went down like he'd been shot. Who's fault is that? Sometimes I would, I would let me say this, I'm not going to fix any blame right now, but I can tell you it's probably a combination, but it would be one of two things. If the guy swings the belt right, and you anticipate it because you're nervous about it, and you lean backwards, he put his hands up to. So he was obviously nervous about it. But if the guy takes the bump underneath it, and instead of where, you know, if the guy swings where your head is and you bump too soon and he goes over, that can be your fault. Or if the guy swings too high and you put up your hands where your head were and you just go anyway, that's kind of both. But in all honesty, if a guy that you're letting do this finish can't take the belt and run and whack the guy over the head in a working way without the guy putting his hands up, I don't know why you're letting him do it. Because it's not like that it's all or and when you put your hands up like that, it does prevent some of your eyesight from seeing where the thing's fucking going. But goddamn, again, you ought to be able to take the fucking belt and in somewhere or another working whack this fucking guy where he goes down without even having to fucking cover up like he sees a cannonball coming at him. So I don't know what the fuck they're doing. Point being. But then that's the thing, not only does he swing it over the and he goes over his head and the guy takes the bump and boom it but then he picks Bailey up and gives him the brain buster and pins him 123. You've just you're a heel you've just used a foreign object to knock the guy out whether your work looks like shit or not. It's another matter. Why would you pick up you wouldn't be able to pick up a fucking guy you had just knocked unconscious with a foreign object for a brain buster because he'd be dead weight. It's taking the heat from knocking a guy with the fucking belt boom cover 123. He picks him up to give him his moves. Well that's what this match was it was moves. And you know for the people like us who think speedball Mike Bailey looks a little ridiculous and they're with heavyweights having long competitive matches where they can't beat them. On the other side there are fans who think hey these two guys no matter what the size and weight went out there and worked 20 and gave us a lot of near falls and exciting moments. Big moves big moves kick out of everything no matter who you are you have the strength and the intestinal fortitude to get out of anything until you know near the end. It was a long match and clearly they liked it in the room. But maybe that's part of the story there's I think a bit of a disconnect right now we talked about the fact that AEW is doing a better job of pleasing AEW fans. The kind of fans who likes speedball Mike Bailey and want them in long competitive matches with. But you said Kyle Fletcher future of the company if he stays there. One of the guys. But I don't know if the interest is there beyond that base. They're making their base happier. But they're not bringing new people in and they're not causing people to stay. I mean it's been a little bit of a story that their YouTube numbers have been significantly down and I think that there is right now a lack of interest in AEW more than ever before from people who are not already AEW fans. It's just they're getting the people that have already been there more into what they're doing. So they're reacting better. But it's not growing like there's no growth right now. Well now come on Brian the head mouth organ of AEW. You Uncle Dave would disagree with you on that. He says they're closing the gap with the WWE. WrestleMania sales are down from last year whereas the collision ratings are up from last year. So they're clearly closing the gap is what he's saying. But Uncle Dave was right there on the front row and he gave this match five stars. Five stars. Five star match. Five stars. And that is why they will never grow. They will never grow because Tony gets the feedback that he wants and the praise and the peton on that he wants from Uncle Dave who is the guru of all the indy-rific hey kids let's put on a show kind of wrestling. And that's for the kind of people who like that kind of thing. That's kind of thing they like. And they've decided they're going to do even more of it. And it's certainly a strategy because with the WWE we've said is boring us to death and making tens and hundreds of millions of dollars. But it's a long show but not a lot in it. But when the main event guys get involved and interact it makes sense. You understand who's on whose side and why they're mad things like that. And they sell you the big events. For Tony and the people with the afflictions that he and Dave and other people have where it's just we're going to go out there and do everything we've ever done before. Everything we've ever seen anybody do and everything we've ever thought of every fucking week. And they'll just and we'll just do more of it. And that's where they're at now. And you know they may be getting some of their unhappy fans that they had a year or two ago back because they've had a break from all of the everything everywhere all at once. And the deathriders on top. The heel deathriders on top not being a thing as a big component and AEW fans being happy again. Yes but what's the next thing they're going to get tired of because it goes on and on and on and never goes anywhere. They'll do cycles with this same game. Basic number of people is what I'm saying but they've got no breakout stars and they can't make any because they don't know how to make stars. All they know how to do is have indie matches. And even their stars only have indie matches so they can't they they can get their devoted fans to spend a large amount of their time and money but they can't get appreciable numbers more of the devoted fans with this type of thing that they're doing here. You know when you think about what the observer was 30 years ago and the fan base for it and not just then but specifically looking at then it was the people into the high quality matches. It was people into the great promos. It was people into the big angles. If you're a fan of the AEW style of wrestling you only get one of those. You're not getting the great promos. I don't care what anyone says. Because it's also about the the setting and how things are set up and again that goes into the great angles. You don't get the great angles. You rarely get angles and when you do it's almost like a mockery of an angle. The stuff with FTR and Stokely. It almost feels like a parody of a wrestling angle. That's the problem. AEW goes and I argue that they get great matches. They get long matches and matches with a lot of stuff in them but I don't think they get great matches because of the same affliction as we've been talking about. They want to they care more about the doing their stunts and getting their cool tricks in. Then they do about having a quality professional believable fucking wrestling match from start to finish. And whether it's the phoniness that invariably comes up. Like we talked about the fake looking heat or the stupid chop exchanges or the forearm trades or the ridiculous contrived overacting before they go through the furniture. They lose the great matches because you can't lose yourself in them and believe what they're fucking doing. It's just a bunch of guys throwing each other through shit. So I argue they don't get either of the three. Well, yeah, I would argue that's what that's what's missing. That's what's missing. I mean, when you look at WWE, the things that people buzz about rarely, not that it doesn't happen, but rarely is it the match was incredible. Rarely. It's did you hear what this guy said to this guy? Did you see what happened? Did you see that it's about the angles and the promos? And I'm not saying those promos are perfect, but it's the opposite of AEW and even when WWE is down, you see why that's the effect. That's what's always worked for American televised wrestling. The matches are one thing, but you got to get the personalities over and then you got to do interesting things with them. And that's what's missing from AEW TV for a lot of us. Well, and what some of them don't understand is they've put the cart before the horse in that in 30 or 40 years ago or the territory days or whatever, the idea wasn't to not have a good match, but the idea was to do the angle. And then when the people paid to see the match, make it worth the money they paid to see. It wasn't that the great matches made people want to pay to see you. It was that if you got over in most cases by having mediocre matches where you squashed people quickly and then you did got over where they cared about you and then you did an angle with someone else they cared about, then the match has to be great because they're paying to see it. If you have a great one, they'll come back and see it again when you rematch the son of a bitch. But just you could have put guys out there to have great matches on the card on every card every week and nobody would have cared unless you put them then in a fucking angle with somebody else they cared about and made them fucking important. And Uncle Dave is having some breaking points too with one of his trusted minions. A cousin Brian is arguing now with Uncle Dave's irrational defenses of, well, everything is, the collision ratings are up. So fuck WrestleMania. It's constant with this guy. Well, this was sent to us by a lot of the listeners because they posted it on YouTube and it follows up on things we've talked about which are, you know, again with AEW just announcing their streaming service on their own internationally because of Triller's issues. We've talked about the idea that if they truly have 140,000 people buying their pay per view every month, maybe there's something to be done with a streaming platform for at a minimum the archives ring of honor, whatever it is. Yes. And we're getting this 140,000 because again, it's a privately held company, so there's not official numbers, but Tony Khan is nice enough to report them to Dave so that he can pass them on that they always do. It seems like about 130,000, pay per view backs. That's what's been reported publicly by Dave Meltzer. Recently, at least off the top of my head, that's what I think of. But let's go to this audio from Wrestling Observer Live, I believe, or Wrestling Observer Radio. Dave Meltzer and Brian Alvarez talking about the AEW pay per view buys. And let's see what Brian Alvarez thinks of Dave Meltzer's idea that it's not 140,000 people buying pay per views every month. It's 140,000 different people who buy one pay per view. These people on average buy one. I'll let him explain it, but it's okay. Okay, it's staggering. Let's go to this. Yeah. I hate to be that guy, but cannot buy for one second that AEW fans buy one one pay per view a year. How can this be? I had I had the 2023 and 2024 numbers, the number of people who bought every pay. This is from United States from from the major the major cable companies. So the people that are buying on pay per view through a cable company. It was it was covering about 60 million people. Yeah, which is a pretty darn good survey. When it comes to 60 million out of 90 million with exact numbers. Yes, it's not like this estimate or anything like that. Let me stop it there for a second. He said he's getting exact numbers from the cable companies at least 60 million. The ones that represent 60 million people, I guess is the way to put it. Well, and I wonder why that they feel the need to give him this information is not reported anywhere else. But besides that, yet there are 60 million people that have pay per viewer were at the at some point over the last couple years that have cable pay per view capability and don't do streaming or whatever like I used to before they ex-naid my cable channel off the system. But what he is trying to get Brian Alvarez to believe is that the average AW pay per view buyer only buys one pay per view a year and therefore it's a revolving group of around 140,000 different people every month. That for the most part that by this is what is stunning and unbelievable and what Brian Alvarez is having a cow about. Let's go back to this audio notes are an Alvarez on AW pay per view buys. So yeah, whatever the numbers were, you can look them up in the back in the back issues of the observer. I mean, those are exact numbers every time we do a poll and the fact is one on the front page on our board right now and like almost everybody is like I bought every single paper review they've ever done. I buy every single one that's that's on our side. We're talking about normal about normal people that may hold on let's stop there. We're talking about normal saying people here. We're not talking about our fucking people. What in the world? Well, we stopped me there. We're not talking about our fans. We're talking about normal people. That's what he thinks of his fans. I mean, it beggars just belief that because even with the WWE, that we've talked about this, the WWE fans are a set number of really dedicated not as many across the country as there used to be in the attitude era or previous years, but they each will spend more money for tickets or they'll buy more merchandise or they will support and they'll watch whatever the fuck. And it's the same with AEW. But to think that the AEW fans for the most part it would be the opposite. Most of the AEW fans one would think would buy all of the paper views. They don't have one a month. They've got what nine a year or whatever. Okay. It doesn't make sense in any way if you know anything about wrestling fans. Yes. Or is he trying to say that there's a group of six or eight or 10 people just in every town. Everywhere. This floating party. That's for AEW pay per view. Yes. And they come down the street with a banner and a tubo. Here's the AEW pay per view party. Which house are we going to this month? And they all converge there. But the host because you know they're going to be there late. Yeah. And everybody needs to save that $40 enough to feed eight people coming into the goddamn. That's what let's go back. We have more audio. Let's go back to Dave Meltzer and Brian Alvarez talking about the AEW pay per view buys. You know, I mean the numbers are right there. I mean I was stunned when I first saw it. But you know, we were tracking it. We were tracking it year after year and it never like when it was four and it was only one. It was kind of like the theory. Well, maybe it's four people and they rotate homes. But when it was nine and it was still generally one. Most people bought one a year. I mean it tells you that most people buy one a year. It just I mean. I'm sure that's what the number says. But when you think about it, it's like how could everybody buy on average one a year yet they always do almost the exact same number of buys. You know the low is about 100 and the highest about you know depending on the year. 175 obviously when Sting retired or the first you know it's usually 100 to 175. This one will be interesting coming up. Well, there it is. And you can tell Alvarez knows this is complete bullshit too. It doesn't make any sense at all. And if Dave say he saw this from the cable companies, are we sure that the cable companies not the people that were submitting false reports from Dragon Gate or whatever? Hold on. Hold on. Either the cable company kindly just provided internal statistics per Dave's request tailored to his specific question. And think of all the we're not disputing that they do tens of thousands if not 100,000 or whatever buys per show. So there's over a million buys. They just collated this information for him to fit exactly what he wanted or they just gave him raw data. And he with a skeleton crew one would imagine went through this Epstein file size documentation to get the data he wanted. How do you listen? It's you said a million. It's either AEW sells a million pay per views a year to their audience or a million different people choose one pay per view. I don't know how they made the decision. And that's the one they watch, which doesn't make any sense. How could anyone supply those numbers? Do those numbers need to be adjusted like the ratings were adjusted? That's the thing you would have to do some kind of cross reference for everybody that had bought pay per view on every local cable system to then go through it and blah, blah, blah. And what? But again, it is not logical nor believable that the majority of the just like the majority of the people who used to buy the WWE pay per views when they had such a thing. They weren't buying every single one of them every goddamn month, but many people would buy most of them. And then you get the big ones for WrestleMania and whatever to blah, blah, blah. But it just doesn't make any sense. And he's just so sure of it because he's seen the numbers from the cable. I mean, that's what he's saying. He's saying you got this info from the cable company. And again, you know, in demands out of business now. So that means he's getting it from Dish and from the cable companies. And they if they're indicating that, then they really don't know their audience either. That's crazy. Or is this a situation where it's like, you know, okay, Paulie, you're trying to make me either believe that Jack Nicholson is a fan of our angle or you're you don't care whether because he swore on his father's life as it you don't care whether your father kicks the bucket or not. Who do you believe? I don't know. What are the odds, Brian? What are the who can we pick? Can we be? Can we be somehow proper and lucky possibly with our picks? Could we possibly have a daily fantasy? We possibly have a daily fantasy where we just fantasize daily like that's many of these other people who we've been talking about do we fantasize that you have the people up? Yes. But not about the pay per view buys. Yes. Fantasize about the copy, which now tells me that the playoff push is heating up folks and tournament hoops are here and there's no better way to cash in on the high flying hoop section. Then prize picks, they're doing cross bodies off the hoop and they're doing moon salts off that. Would you like to see a moon salt off the backboard in a basketball game, Brian? No, it was more it was more exciting bluegrass brawl. I got to see the basketball net being used and it looked a lot more dangerous than anything like that. Well, see that that's the thing if they just do this basketball too, it would help you out. He almost broke his ankle too. Yeah, you're crazy. Got carried away. But if they just in basketball, just let people moon salt off the backboard. 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Use the code JCE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup. That's the code JCE $50 for $5. That's 10 times. That makes sense. And there's no Power Slap involved. Prize picks, it's good to be right and not slapped. That's right. Prize picks. It's good to be right. Jim, back to AEW Dynamite. Because I'll tell you what, sometimes when you're wrong, you will get slapped. And then you're embarrassed because you were wrong. Plus your fucking ears are ringing because somebody slapped shit out of you. That's just the way I think about it. They had a standby match, Brian. They don't understand what it is. They've just heard the term. So to get away, I can read Tony's mind now at this point. Unfortunately, I don't know why. It's worrying me. But he doesn't want to just put a job match, a squash match, like the Marx call it, down. Because then he's going to be accused of being a bad booker because they're not all main events. But if he puts in a standby match, then it can be explained where a star is wrestling to nobody because they were just on standby. Brian, when do you have the standby match? The standby match would take place after all the previously announced segments or matches, especially the main event had taken place. And the show ends early. And that's why you've got time to fill. And therefore, that's why you had a match on standby in case you needed an extra match, right? It's a time filler match. Yes. They put the standby match on at 850 Eastern on a two hour show from eight to 10. It's the purpose. Exactly. So Brody King gets in the ring with tweaker from Tijuana. I don't know what this guy, I wouldn't have hired him to park cars at the venue. This is the worst looking wrestler I've ever seen. And this is an example of when you get a guy that shouldn't be doing complicated physical things. Brody King gave him the Gonzo bomb or whatever the fuck. But he won in 10 seconds, thankfully. But Jesus Christ, it just looks bad for the television program. It used to drive me crazy when I was in TBS. The Crockett days, some of the appearance of some of the job guys, they were nice fellows. We tried to take care of them. But it's just unprofessional. Anyway. So then Brody said, where's Swerve? Where's Swerve? He's on the floor around the ring, slapping hands with the fans, walking around the ring going, where's Swerve? I want Swerve. Well, Swerve stands up. He's in the front row in a black hood with a logging chain and nobody noticed. Brian, how the fuck were the people in the front row sitting next to a guy covered all in black and carrying a fucking 10 foot logging chain? And when Brody King circling the ring and can't see him sitting on the front row or the people are not going, he's right over there. He walks right by him. Maybe they thought it was Rollins. So he walks right by Swerve in the front row in the black hood with the logging chain and Swerve jumps him and starts to beat him up and throws him in the ring and then takes the chain and he's holding it like it's a Faberge egg, like it will crack into a million pieces and he gingerly puts it around Brody's neck and acts like he's choking him and you're like, why did he do that so gingerly? And then Brody King bows up on him and stands up in front of him and breaks the chain. That's why he was so careful with it. And then Brody was beaten up Swerve and choking him out, but Nana at least bless him. Now that he's a heel, he'll try to get physical. When he was a baby face, he just jumped out of the ring when they were beaten up Swerve. Now that he's a fucking heel, he comes over and tries to beat on Brody and Brody leveled Nana and Swerve got away. Okay, number one, Brian, have you ever even seen on any of the world's strongest man competitions? Is it, yes, you've seen strong men and in wrestling or whatever you break the handcuffs or you do this or that, but that ridiculous size of that chain. Number one, nobody's breaking that. But number two, if they're going to gimmick shit, do they not even know how to gimmick it so it won't fall apart if they fucking tug on it a little bit before the spot? I learned that 40 years ago when I got talked into letting them saw my racket halfway in half for that fucking big goof little John, and it ended up a popcorn fart as we're not going to do shit like that again. If you can't work the shit properly, don't do the shit. Don't do it yet. You don't know how to do as Dusty would say. Am I making too much of this? No, but also who, but who's there that would teach them who's there that would know and what knowledge do you want to drop on everyone here about it? Well, it's not again, there have been times where you gimmick chains so that like if the cage door was chained, right? And those are usually the smaller chains like two or three feet and the lock is on it or whatever, or you want to gimmick handcuffs where a guy can snap the handcuffs. And that's believable and can be done, has been done. And again, I had fault with not only the size of the chain they're having, the human being break, but even if you wanted to go that far. I don't know how they did it, but we've always had success. All you have to do, and especially in the days before high definition television or just tell them, don't shoot the goddamn close up of the handcuffs. If you're handcuffed to a guy, there are some kinds of handcuffs that have like two or three feet of chain in the middle. Have you seen those, Brian, where the guys are handcuffed, but they've got a lot of chain in the middle of them? Oh, yeah, we've seen those in A. W., I believe. Well, those are actually leg shackles because they got to be if you're getting law enforcement equipment, they got to be able to walk in the leg shackles, but they can't run because they can't separate their legs very far. They can only shove. But it's easier when you're in a worked environment, handcuffed to a guy to have a little chain in the middle. However, for the most part, when I started in the business, guy, they were using real handcuffs that they would get because a lot of guys either knew or were off duty sheriff's department people, or they just go to the, when I got them in Smogymountain, I just went to the law enforcement store and bought 10 pairs of handcuffs. They've got like three links of fucking chain in between them. If that some of them are don't have any chain in the middle of them anymore, you can't work with those at all. Those are impossible to work with. But if you've got the ones with just three links of chain in the middle, all you do is clip one of those links of chain and replace it with a paper clip. And if you twist it up, trim it down, if you twist it upright, you can't see it from any distance away, and it will hold for you to work around doing some things handcuffed to a guy. But when time comes, or the guy's just handcuffed himself, he needs a snap him, he can fucking snap him, but it takes a little effort to do it. And that way it looks like he's doing something. The same thing with the chain on a door, if you're not going to do bolt cutters, you want the strong man to fucking break it, pre cut the chain, but you gimmick it back together. But it ought to be able to be handled, at least roughly enough to put around somebody's neck without falling apart. So I don't know what these people are doing. Have I, have I spoiled Santa Claus for the kids, Brian? Oh no, no, I think a lot of the kids here may already know. What do you think of how they're using Brody King? Obviously he got the shit kicked out of him and choked out last week by swerve, when he could have just stood up and ended the hanging at any point. And this was his big comeback, I guess, getting choked again and breaking the chain, scaring swerve. I guess that's part of the story, swerve looked scared. But what do you think of how they're booking Brody King? I think, well, it's been refreshing that some, a big grown guy, he's gotten a little bit better with his promos because he's had more to talk about and more time to talk. I mentioned last week that he seemed like he had a little more oomph to him in the ring. I like the idea that he's getting a number of wins and being portrayed as a dominant big guy. And truthfully, it seems to me like, and this may, this would probably help their plans, but it will probably fuck up the plans they've got, but it would help the plans they should have. I'd have Brody King, swerve has kicked the shit out of him a couple of times now. I'd have Brody King beat swerve at the pay-per-view and be next in line for MJF because we already have seen some of that business that it hasn't really been resolved. The ill will still exist. Swerve is just, at this point, the people that like him like him, even though he's a he old people at whatever, but he could, a guy like Brody King getting a win over swerve now could do Brody King some good. Brody King beats swerve after he's, or I'm sorry, swerve beats Brody King after he's already beaten him up a few times. I, that doesn't really help much at all plus MJF better not lose this bell to this nitwit page. And so you still, you need baby faces to face MJF in the title picture. I just wonder because the whole thing was about setting up swerve and omega who he injured because he said Brody King was more dangerous than him. Yeah, baby. Maybe omega cost him the match because that's what I was gonna say. I agree with you. Brody King shouldn't lose. Probably wouldn't help him to lose. There's something to be done with him right now if there was ever a time. But also swerve is being set up for a top spot and has the thing with omega. So it's almost like something has to happen to cost swerve the match but not make it so that you know, we just got beat. But who knows who knows. Yeah, but then see that's the thing if they were all in the same kind of level, same kind of position that might be okay. But it does nothing for Brody King for Kenny to fucking help him beat swerve. He beats him by himself. That's one thing. And it, it then if Kenny helps him, then they are going to Kenny and swerve and leaves out Brody King. And of the three of them Brody King is probably the most valuable. He's going to last longer than Kenny and he's fresher than fucking swerve who I just lose interest in all the time because of all of the stupid shit that he's involved in, whether it be syringes, blood drinking, house burning, chains, I don't know. You know, I wanted to watch the debut of the son of Fit Finley, Brian. I wanted to but they put him in with pockets. The nine o'clock hour match on this television program, the top of the nine o'clock hour when they try again, try to put one of their best feet forward. They usually put their left foot forward. Pockets and Darby Allen against Gabe, Gabe, Gabe, Gabe Kidd and David Finley. At first I thought, why are they doing this to Darby? He was one of their most popular guys. He was code for the world title. He was climbing Mount Everest. Now he's the tag team partner of the mascot wrestling midcard guys. And then they debut you. Finley, the big acquisition in a tag team match with a partner that people barely give two shits about against the aforementioned mascot. Did you see Gabe Kidd do his crawling thing when he crawls out? I forgot to watch. Oh, you got to watch it. It's so funny. It's the funniest thing on the show every week now. I'm sorry. I forgot because I zipped ahead to the bell ringing. And I said, I'm going to watch for Finley, right? And then they did nothing for 30 seconds. And then they all broke into a hundred mile an hour four way and went straight to the floor. And I thought, okay, between all of this nonsense, I'm not going to, I don't remember ever seeing a David Finley match. So I didn't want this to be my first impression and just go, well, he's just bullshit like the rest of them. So if they book him in a legitimate match where both opponents or his opponents are actually real wrestlers, and they don't start to match at a four way on the floor, I'll watch it. See if he can work. But on fast forward, this was more India than the last thing was. And then they beat Darby, not pockets and Gabe kid got the pin, not Finley. So that's insane. Isn't it funny? Isn't it funny to that he debuts the same week that his father shows up again on NXT to be the head of a stable? Boy, they must be rebutted in. He, there must have been some ill will or something between Finley and the WWE because why? But nevertheless, and then after that Roderick Strong came in and beat up the heels and switched baby face again. That's what happened there. Did you enjoy Willow Nightingale defending the TBS title against Persephone? As we know, because we hear from angry ladies wrestling fans, it's Persephone. And it was all right. It was all right. Well, good. I'm glad. So then the main event, they have done, everybody that I like, or I want to check out, or I want to watch their shit, they put them opposite with or teaming with people that I've sworn from own sanity that I don't want to watch them try to wrestle. Now we, we like Tomasso Champa. We want to see some more Tomasso Champa. So they make Tomasso Champa unwatchable. But now hold on his booking, Brian, remind me if I miss anything. He debuted a surprise debut and got a title match the very next, not even a week later. And in his first match there, he won the belt from Mark Briscoe. But then after that match, they shook hands. So Tomasso Champa was a baby face. And then Tomasso Champa in his third match in the company lost that belt to Cal Feltcher, who's a heel. Well, he was in Australia. He was a baby face in Australia. Well, but in the, I don't care if they're on Neptune on this television program in this universe, he is a heel member of the heel stable with a heel manager. And then Tomasso Champa on television was talking the other night when FTR came out and they reminded everybody that they'd hated each other for 10 years because I even said, you're talking about something that happened in another company 10 years ago that was, to be honest, not like of earth shaking import that they do documentaries about and etc. No, the other guy that was a part of that feud right now, his angle is that he sleeps on things. Yes. But they were not happy with each other. And then Tomasso Champa turned heel on Mark Briscoe and beat him up. And people made notice of the fact that he did the exact same thing move for move to Mark Briscoe when he turned on him that he did to old Johnny same face his sleepy partner today when he turned on him 10 years ago or whatever. And now he hadn't been in the company six weeks. He is teaming with the guys that he's hated for 10 years after being a baby face, then a fucking heel, then a fucking first a champion, then an ex champion. And he's taking on Mark Briscoe and the cuckamonga kids because since he's teaming up with FTR, he's been drawn into the trampoline cowboy. Co universe. So, yeah, I used to love FTR, but they're they're dead to me now they're dead in the water now. And I love Mark Briscoe and I love Tomasso Champa, but none of them are worth watching a match involving the cuckamonga kids, which involved a jumpstart and a six way on the floor to begin. But that's that's where we're at now with Champa in six weeks. A baby face, a heel, a champion, an ex champion, he hates these guys. He turns on the other guy now he's teaming with these guys. What the fuck? Talk me down. And it was obviously a big deal for the bucks performing in front of Dave Meltzer. That's kind of like, you know, Tony Bennett singing for Cindy Adams. But yeah, that was another bucks man. We're getting a lot of the buck style of matches on this California swing. And we'll see if hopefully it does better this time than it did last time. Apparently last time the internal chatter was a tank the ratings. So hopefully it does better this time. Well, every every time that it was external chatter, when it was public, they tank the ratings. So why would it be the same thing now that they're not telling us they're still tagging the ratings? We just don't hear the numbers. You know, we talk about Tony Khan's wacky ideas about wins and losses and losses not mattering. And in fact, losses helping you get over if it happens all the time. Is there any justification? How would it help Champa the way he's been booked since he got there? He's all over the place. The week after he debuts, he's not he was even on Dynamite. He won't write the collision. He skipped a week. That's why we thought that his match where he lost the title was his second, but it was his third. Yeah, how does this help him? But whatever, you know, again, there's not a lot of good booking and not a lot of good angles and AW that's just the reality. Well, but for once the main event ended right at 10 o'clock. And they were off the air, didn't have an overrun. I thought until I accidentally saw somebody talking about the press conference between M.J.F. and Hangnail Page on the on the internet, say, well, what about this press conference? And I said, I didn't see that. They saved the press conference for the overrun, but they literally ended the match and that last six man and a guy was standing in the ring or whatever. And you'd think it's 10 o'clock. It's over with him for the DVR fans. They didn't get it. And then they did the whole press conference all in the overrun. And I guess they did this simply so they could get a pop when they would lull the fans into a state of pistons thinking that they weren't going to see M.J.F. and Page live, and then they can fight out into the building. Because why else did they do this the way they did it? They have a press conference hosted by Brian Danielson, who is not a master of ceremonies, not a host of a press conference, not a journalist or roving reporter or news anchor or anybody that needs to be goddamn doing this. Can you agree with me on that, Brian? I disagree with you. I think he's kind of like the Gene Rayburn of AEW. Oh, come on. It was the right pick, clearly. My God. So they had five people in an empty room and they shot the podium with Danielson in the middle, M.J.F. on one side, Page on the other side, and the back of those five people's heads because there was nobody else in the room. And those five people were the reporters asking questions with a microphone, but they couldn't even shoot their faces because to turn the camera around would reveal that there's nobody in a fucking room. But when they clapped, it was echoing. And the entire static shot was the back of these same five people's heads. And to make it look like a press conference, they had to actually answer questions. So Page had no material. If he can't memorize his goddamn dramatic scene where he tries to eclipse John Wayne's performance and fucking true grit, he's got nothing to fucking say. And their voices were echoing in this empty room. And then you started hearing the fans in the arena because they were showing it on the screen and started hooting at this thing because they were like, what the fuck were watching TV? Get them out here. And then finally the way they got into the fight was M.J.F. said, well, like you cowboys do. I'm going to. He was going to. I'm going to cheers you. They've got two beers in red cups. Like they were afraid to show a beer brand on the I don't know what the fuck. He got two beers and red cups. He wanted to cheers Page. Page knocked one drink out of his hand. M.J.F. threw the other drink in his face. They get in a fight. The five people in the room never get up. As they're starting to fight off camera, they cut to the arena because they can't fight off camera because the room is empty. And then they fight into the arena. Even though they obviously pre-tape this at some point way ahead. But nevertheless, when they're fighting M.J.F. shit looks good because he tries to. When he throws a punch, he'll grab the guy and he'll draw back and he'll throw and he'll try to make something look good instead of a hundred things just be there. But then security comes out and Page beats them all up one by one as they stand there waiting for him to and gives M.J.F. a dead eye in the middle of the ring and then pulls out a barbed wire board and tries to give him the dead eye on the barbed wire board. But M.J.F. squirms out and runs off. Brian, do you know what Page was trying to do there when you think about it? I know. What was he trying to do? The idiot was trying to ruin his own title match. Think about this. He had to get, we beat the guy up because he made you mad. Yeah, beat him up. But if you cripple the fucking guy, you just screwed yourself out of your title match. Why would he try to give him a dead eye off the apron onto a board wrapped in barbed wire sitting on concrete? When he's got a Texas death match with him on the paper view, if he does that to him, he's dead. They just, it's all about, oh, this would be cool. It looked like I killed you till you get up. Well, an interesting build to the M.J.F. Adam Page, Texas death match. M.J.F. runs off again. And that was AEW Dynamite. And again, the paper view, by the time you hear this, will have taken place. Hopefully M.J.F. doesn't lose the title to Adam Page. And hopefully they can get M.J.F. away from this already. It's time to move on and feud with someone else who's not going to cut these kind of promos. Or if they do switch the belt, Brian, you know what that means, don't you? 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Before I don't know what I'm saying. Here we are. Yeah. We're in the future and I'll tell you what that sour note that you hit flummoxed my noise baffling equipment. Anyway, we've time traveled a bit because we were just a scant distance away from Smackdown. So we thought we would include that on this program, which we're about to hear in a few minutes as well as an update on Dallas Edwards, the OVW referee that got laid out and had the medical emergency. It's been not even 24 hours since we were recording the first part of this podcast, but it's already, first of all, he's, I won't say he's okay. He's in ICU with a brain bleed, but he's up cognizant, you know, having issued a statement and talking to people. So that's a positive. But this thing besides the local news here, it was on WDRB this morning. I haven't seen the other stations, but it's been on TMZ and Brian, what did you say? The New York Post? Yeah, it was in the New York Post. Again, I think the New York Post, like a lot of newspapers have discovered that wrestling fans are out there, even if you don't realize they're there and they will click on things. So they cover more wrestling stuff now than ever before, but I think they would have covered this one anyway. Yeah, I mean, it blew up not only on social media, as we said, but again, you know, regular news outlets have picked this thing up. And on the, the local news report, they interviewed his mother. He's like 22 years old. And I guess he's not even locally. From here, he works in the St. Louis area as a referee over there at some other, you know, independent group, but was, you know, making a shout over here or whatever. But I guess his mother obviously came into town and she understands, he's been wrestling and whatever. And she understands, you know, there's risks, but she is pissed about the guys just disregarding him. And the one guy that moved him out of the way, she is not a happy person about that. And, you know, so again, it just it's, it's looked bad on everybody. And I've never seen such a downpouring or outpouring or whatever on Twitter of people just pissed about this thing. And we'll get to a statement because I have it here, a message that was issued on Facebook, I believe. Well, what have you thought of the reaction from wrestling fans, seemingly all sorts of wrestling fans, their reaction towards OVW, the wrestlers in the match, Al Snow. I mean, I'm sure you've seen it because I've been overwhelmed by the reaction. Well, that I've seen. And there's a guy or two in the match that there can be some kind of plausible deniability for them because it was behind their back. They didn't see what the fuck or whatever. But the one guy specifically that drugged the guy out of the way, the referee out of the way and kicked him out of the way to do their spot while he's in the middle of a horrible seizure. I don't know what he was thinking. There was a guy, the blonde haired guy that was the partner that wasn't really in the ring. He got back up on the apron as you look at this video again more closely. And he's like waiting for the next spot where he's supposed to come in, but he has a perspective. He's back away from these guys that are in the middle of trying to do their thing and may not be paying attention to the referee behind them. So he can see the whole thing. Why he again, nobody felt like they had the authority. The announcers are just meekly going, well, somebody should check on Dallas. And the guy that I was talking about, the blonde guy that had a perspective on everything is just like watching like, should I do something? Nobody felt like they had the authority or wanted to take the authority on themselves. And that's just insane. And I said, was Alice no on the premises? I can't confirm this and I'm willing to be corrected. But I've seen somebody say that he was actually out in front of the people earlier that night on the show. And now maybe maybe it was a tape or something and somebody seen wrong because I don't watch the program or really know how to find that particular episode. But again, just everybody standing around with their dick in their hand, not thinking they have the authority to do anything. Indicate where was the people with the authority to do something and who were they? And again, I think a lot of people have pointed to Al Snow because he's in charge and also it's not like his quotes haven't gone around where he's been on various outlaw shows saying things like someone will die in an AEW ring. I guarantee it. Oh, that's the meme going around now where he's on his some program saying, I guarantee somebody will die in an AEW ring. And it's just Al Snow owns a OVW. You give it. And they put, well, they put out a statement and Dallas put out a statement, but should we also mention that Al did not do himself any favors? The first thing that he tweeted, apparently this is nothing that everybody's been firing back at him on. The first thing that he tweeted out on his personal account after this incident took place was a waffle house joke. Now, what made people really upset was because no one pays attention to OVW. No one found out about this. You know, right before we started recording is when you found out and then as we were recording it blew up. So no one really knew about this. It happened 15 miles away from me. I know, you know. Well, no one really knew about it yet. So that's what I'm saying. Nobody would have known had this not been put out on social media. So the video starts going around social media, then people right away go to see what Al Snow, has he said anything? Cause they know he's in charge and he is part owner or whatever his role is currently with the current OVW. The wind is really kicking up behind me. Obviously, the wrestling gods don't like this discussion. And Al Snow, after the fact, cause this is 10, 17, March 13th, when the incident would have been the evening of March 12th, tweeted out, I told the waffle house waitress, there was a fly on my waffle. She said, Oh, I forgot that one when I took off the other three. And several of the comments responding are a image of Al Snow that says someone will die in an AEW ring. I can't guarantee it. Well, here's the thing, as somebody even tweeted, I've seen some waffle house fights. And if somebody went into a seizure in the middle one of them, the other people would stop and help the guy. It's just he just, he just, this is a self inflicted fucking wound. You know, from these photos, it looks like Al is in better shape now than he's ever been. Maybe he's on some of the same vitamins as some of the younger guys, but maybe this could be his new gimmick, tone deaf Al Snow, where he does the exact wrong thing, says the exact wrong thing at the wrong time. But we have a statement here from Dallas Edwards. Let me pull this up. Once again from Facebook. Hey guys, I know everyone seems to know about the scary incident last night at OVW. I've been evaluated by a hospital, and I have a concussion, as well as a subdural hematoma, a brain bleed. With that being said, I have made the decision to take some needed time away to get my life and health back in good spirits. I appreciate all the support everyone has been offering. But as far as money goes, I am grateful to be in a position that I can manage an accident like this. Good for him. In lieu of donations, I instead implore all my fellow workers to get some sort of training in assisting another's life. Being in the position before, it's very important to be educated in all scenarios relating to injury, illness, or condition in the ring, especially when we're performing. I'm not mad at anyone or anything, other than the situation as a whole, and that I've been sitting for about 24 hours straight in a hospital. LOL. As far as updates go, I'm getting a CT scan in the morning, and if that goes well, I'll be home. Thank you to everyone who has reached out or stopped by. It means more than any of you know. Love, Dali, with an emoji of two hands coming together to make a heart. And an image of him giving thumbs up in his hospital bed, and now that we know he's on the road to recovery, maybe we could do something about that haircut. Well, at least you waited to find out if he was going to pull through. Again, since yesterday, and I've seen so many more of these tweets and etc., and everybody trying to figure out who to blame or what to blame, and there's plenty to go around. Dallas did nothing wrong. But again, I just hearken back to somehow in the, whether you want to talk about the territory days in whatever decade, 60s, 70s, 80s, even the 90s. With all that shit going on, I don't know about ECW. I don't know what the fuck was happening with those guys. But I was in the WWF. I was in WCW. We worked territories where we've gone over the schedule, where we eight or 10 times of a week, we would be wrestling with TV tapings and bullshit. And obviously, there weren't dives off the top rope through furniture to the floor and etc., etc. But there was cross bodies and referee bumps. And it's not just this incident, but everybody is getting hurt because they're going too fast, doing too much sometimes without either the proper training or just the lack of experience. You can train for something all you want, but unless you've actually done it for real over and over, that's another fucking thing. And the fact that everybody gets to play now. And I'm not blaming Dallas, but he can't be 120 pounds. And even though the guy that landed on him doesn't look much bigger once he stood up next to the other two guys, he's coming from 10 feet in the air. And it just... That's the question too. What did they expect would happen? He couldn't have caught him. That wasn't... I think he was supposed to give him a forearm and go past him, and he just smashed him instead. But again, why get that complicated at this level in front of 100 people in front of a stream of 300 people around the world? Why do we have to let everyone live out their dream to be in the main event at StarCade 86? And it's getting dangerous. And I've seen people on Twitter say, well, they ought to... OVW, they ought to fucking fire those guys. Fire them! From what? How could you... You fire people for... If somebody has a job or they are paid to do work and make a living at that, that's a job you can get fired from. Like I said, this is like a lot of these little groups. Every... A lot of people have tried to copy the OVW format from 30 years ago that we kind of originated. And now there's a local promotion with a big TV set up at a warehouse in some town in every town in America. And they're all trying, as I said earlier in the program that we recorded, to do their little version of, oh, this is the big time. We've got lights and curtains and TV and everybody gets to play a part and be a part of it. And somebody's gonna get fucking killed. In the territories, that's the point I was making every night. I never saw anybody going to convulsions. I saw very few people get knocked out to where they couldn't fucking get up. Dizziness. Now that's another factor as we've talked about and told stories. But I can't remember how many thousands of matches was I involved in. Between 1982 and 1998, I don't remember any of the guys in my match ever being knocked out and not able to get up opponents or on my side or whatever. You got potatoed and busted open. There's only one story I could think of. And it was someone who, I believe, right away got help. I think it was from Bobby Fulton. Didn't Kevin Von Erick once have a tag match or a match? Yes. Any, for whatever reason, went into a seizure in the match and Bobby Fulton saved them or at least helped them? Yes. And that was in Fort Worth in world class. And I was not there that night. We either, we weren't in the territory, had just been and just left whatever the fuck. But yes, they gave him CPR, but that was totally unrelated to wrestling. Just leave that there and not get off track. So you can't fire these. This is pro wrestling at this level in name only. And bless them for having the desire and determination. But none of these people are ever going to go anywhere in wrestling and OVW right now. Any of it. There would be referees, announcers, wrestlers, or whatever. And that's what I say. If you keep it to body slams and backdrops and cutting promos and running each other's head to turn buckle. Okay. But when everybody's trying to do the shit they see on TV, people are going to get hurt. Well, as we said last time, we hope everything goes well for Dallas Edwards. Once again, Steven P new 877 5 0 Steve. Well, and that's one more thing I don't I don't know. Remember whether I mentioned it or not. But the Kentucky Athletic Commission, obviously for years was one of the strictest in the country. And several years ago, they lightened up or changed some of the regulations and long after I quit, given a shit about following it closely. But I would almost guarantee you that one of them. The still is that you have to have insurance. Danny Davis and I had to have an insurance policy on every live event we ran not only for the lease on the fucking Davis arena, but to be pro wrestling promoters in the state of Kentucky. So it'll be interesting because I don't think Dallas's mother is happy about that. Again, she knows well it's wrestling, but the shit afterwards she was not happy about. So we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. But this is my show is your show. The remains of my show. Well, let's talk about Smackdown real quick on Friday the 13th of March in Phoenix, Arizona, because they're again three hours. So there's going to be a lot of stuff you don't hear about. But we're formulating the WrestleMania card, Brian, at this point for all of the rest of the matches. And as we figured and as actually as makes sense, imagine that we know why these people are mad at each other and why they're having this match. But it's going to be Drew McIntyre and Jacob Fattu. Because right at the top of the program, Drew comes out through the crowd and he called out Nick Aldous because he got his title stolen from him by your golden boy, Nick Aldous. And Cody may probably need to keep that golden boy in his back pocket when these people turn him heel. Anyway, so the bucket Aldous comes out. There's nothing to make right about this. It was one on one. You headbutted the referee. You're just playing the victim again because it's the consequences of your actions. And Drew, it was Jacob. You know, this actually has revved him up a little bit more now because remember, he was so whining about getting screwed for so long, it was good. But we wanted to see him win one. Now he won one and got screwed out of it. He'd go back to do this again. Cody lost a rumble. He lost the chamber and he got all the chances. And then Jacob comes out here and Aldous said, well, the first time one on one, he beat you. And Drew got pissed. That's bullshit, which he got bleeped for. And he's like, you got to make this right or else. And in here comes Jacob Fatou's music. And Jacob, again, I like his, I like everything about Jacob, as I've said, I just feel like I think he's more effective as a heel. Even though the people like him, I wouldn't have switched him so quick, I would have let him like him a little while longer. Because now he's got to be a, you know, you wouldn't have been champ if not for me. And I fixed the situation. So it's not about Nick or Cody or anybody else. It's me. And the people started whu-ting him. But because of his style, where he only says three or four words at a time, it worked. And he used it. And then when they gave the payoff, the people popped instead of whu-ting that. So he got out of that. But I just feel like that he's, the Samoan werewolf should be scary and out of control most of the time instead of the reasonable guy and standing up for you. See what I'm saying, Brian? I wanted to see the wild crazy guy longer than we got to. I agree. I completely agree. We got to see him for a short period of time. And a lot of that was tied with the solo Sokoa group. So yeah, he didn't really get a chance to be a top U as he should have. And now that he's a top baby face, he's got to sell in the matches, take some of the aura away. Nevertheless, what are you going to do about it, Drew? What are you going to do, boy? What's it going to be, boy? Let me sleep on it. Baby, baby, let me sleep on it. And Drew said, what am I going to do? I'll tell you what, I'm done with all of you. I quit. And he turns around and walks out of the fucking ring and he leaves the building allegedly. So all this is trouble. Drew has quit Brian right before WrestleMania. I agree. Should we, we all go ahead. I agree with you. Jacob, I choose better as a heel. And I agree with you that this match makes sense in the traditional sense for WrestleMania, which is stole coming together. But I came out of this segment wanting to see Drew against Nick Aldous. Yeah, more than I wanted to see Drew against Jacob Fattu. And it actually would be, and I love Jacob Fattu, but it'd be a better match. And for once we could say that it might be the money too after, you know, it would have been up for a couple of weeks. It had more. That's what I'm saying. Like this is, it makes sense that Jacob Fattu and Drew is the WrestleMania match. It's been built up for a while. It makes perfect sense. It doesn't have any buzz. If all of a sudden it was Aldous. And again, I don't know how you walk yourself back from that afterwards. I'm just saying this was my, they can't now. This was my thought watching it with Aldous that'd be buzz. They've never seen him really do anything physical on this show. He really kind of went at it a little bit with Drew and then Randy actually threw him down. But that was, that was my thought. The Jacob Fattu and Drew make sense. I'm sure it'll be fine, but there's no buzz. Like I'm not excited for it at all. And well, and that's what I was going to say. Should we, should we skip ahead? Because it wasn't the main event Jacob's match. So since we're on this train of thought, way, way, way later in the evening, about fucking two and a half hours later, Jacob wrestled Trick Williams. And Jacob, you know, he did a shine at the start and he beat up Trick and then when they went to break Trick stopped him for a minute. This is, they came back, Jacob took back over at Trick stopped him again. The match was not electrifying. It was just kind of here and there, you know, first word, I'm beating you up, then you're beating me up. Jacob is great. But again, I think it's early in his overall WWE career to see him selling for, you know, a guy and I know they're pushing Trick. I'm not saying don't just squash Trick. I'm saying was this maybe the pairing to make was in a style clash, but it didn't have a lot of oomph. And then Jacob was kicking a shit out of him and about ready to beat him. And there's Drew suddenly shows up and hits Jacob and runs him into the ring post and rolls him in the ring. And Trick hits two knee lifts with his, that's his finish is whatever they call it. I think the reason why he hit two was because he botched first one because it was just flummoxed in some fashion. One, two, three. So now the werewolf is laying there has been turned into fucking Larry Talbot and Drew comes in, stands over him, gets set and when he stands up, gives him a big Claymore. Boom. Now he's down again. And I, Brian, again, a lot of people are gonna say, oh, fucking Cornette, goddamn Jesus Christ. But I still envision Jacob being used as the same way that we used and of course he was 30 years older than Jacob, but to Mongolian Stomper and Knoxville. When he comes out, it's fucking eight minutes of chaos. There can be blood. If he's with a main event guy, the main event guy can beat him up for a while and he can fucking cause chaos. But one way or another, it's quick. And whether he gets be we never beat the Stomper because it was different point. It was a legend. He wasn't a full time guy, but whether he gets beat, or whether he goes over, you never just seem laying there just fucking helpless. What do you think? I agree with that assessment. I don't think Jacob thought too has been booked well since they turned them baby face. I think he's talking too much, even though he doesn't say that much. You shouldn't hear him. He should be kind of the maniac, which is kind of how he was first presented when he got over. Trick Williams is a priority clearly and the fans are into him. I didn't like the match. I shouldn't say I didn't like the match. The match was just, I don't even know how to say it. It was just, it was a Smackdown match. It was just there. There were going to be commercials and you know, it's just a Smackdown match, waiting for the angle. And you got it with Drew. Like I said, I'm not excited for the match at WrestleMania. Jacob thought to really has to kick his ass after the way he got laid out here. And then we've beat Drew for the belt and then beat him on pay per view. So I don't know, but I think maybe they don't know either. That'd be my guess. Well, we'll check back in with all of those folks. Uh, other one, the first, uh, let's see, what was that about hour and a half besides the ladies business and the Wyatt's business. They're doing something with Sammy and it's been going on for a few weeks now where he's always talking to his friends, the in the back, the Randy Orton's and the Cody Rhodes is, and he's always saying the wrong thing because everybody's getting the idea that Sammy's jealous. What if, you know, because he does bring up, well, you know, you got this chance, you got that title. And I, you know, so Cody thinks he's looking for a title shot. And Sammy says, I can't believe you think that low of me that I would try to backdoor that. Hey, I love Randy. I look up to Randy. I don't look up to you, Cody and people are, because we're friends. Friends are equals. So don't talk down to me. And fucking Cody kind of tells him off and it gets indignant and leaves and Sammy gets pissed. He's always getting pissed and slapping something like a cup of water or whatever over. And then Malachi black comes in and stirs the shit. So Sammy, maybe the guy that somehow gets used in helping soften the blow when either Cody or Randy or some of these other people have to drop the fall. You see where I'm going with you smell what I'm cooking Brian. It's the most interesting stuff Sammy's done in a while. He's obviously been more healish. But with that said, like the confrontations with him and Cody, Cody almost came across more healish. You know, immediately shut Sammy down and started kind of yelling at him. Yeah. Well, but the same token there. They're formatting this to where it's always Sammy's saying this thing at a time when the other guys conflicted and thinking about stuff and he could be short tempered and snap and you know, whatever. So that's kind of cool. But at the same time, they're building up in Sammy's mind, whether the resentment or the jealousy or the whatever that that this is legitimate. He just can't say the right thing. Everything's always going wrong. But he's doing a great job with it. Yeah, it has to go somewhere. I mean, if it goes with him having a run as a crazy heal who will do anything that it pays off. But post-wrestle mania, this has to go somewhere. Well, it might go somewhere before WrestleMania. That's what I'm saying, because if they need to use him to get something done and give another guy an out, then it just remains to be seen how they're going to do that. And then we got some more girls stuff and Garza stuff and ah, and then here's Ms. in a hallway. Brian, he's getting ready for his big Ms. TV segment. And as he's walking down all of a sudden, here's our boy Dan housing. You know, that's I can see why the people want to buy the shirt, Brian. It's a really it's a just a bright colored shirt. It's a good looking shirt. Good looking shirt. So he's trying to give Ms. the Dan housing T shirt to wear with his Ms. TV that night. And Ms. like you've got a shirt already. Doesn't everyone be in your first week in the WWE my first day? And then he pitched maybe he could have his his own TV show. He apparently is not listening to us because he didn't want it to be damn that downhousin. He wanted it to be good night housing with Dan house. And that could replace Ms. TV. And of course, Ms. is not happy about that and starts to bow up at him and guess what? He gets cursed. And then Dan housing disappears again. You know what they ought to do when when they're shooting the two of them, Brian, right? The cameraman and the guy that is being talked to by Dan housing, he always looks away for a second and exasperation and then looks back and Dan housing is gone. Yeah, and the cameraman follows their face as opposed to the full frame. Yes. But at the same time, the camera stays there and you never see that Dan housing is completely disappeared. He could have just turned left, right? Here's what the next time to jazz it up if they had the shot. And when the guy turns away or they get the close up of him and he turns back and Dan has is gone. If Dan housing just did a drop down on his stomach, the cameraman could go 360 all the way around at eye level and he's completely fucking disappeared. Why don't they do that? See, you're getting into it. You're now fantasy booking Dan housing segments. No, I'm fantasy producing television because he's some bitches these days don't know how to do it right. You're a fan housing. I'm a I'm a fucking producer housing. All right. And anyway, um, did you see the real Ripley Jade stuff? Oh, yes, I skipped that over with the other girls stuff. Because what the Jade cut a pretty good promo. She was better this time when she was alone in the ring rather than looking at somebody and then she calls Rhea out. Rhea comes out or Rhea's music plays. So she has to appear and she walks in the ring and Jade gets out of the ring and Rhea says, well, I'm gonna fucking make you my bitch. The end that what do they not do they not trust them and not going into business for themselves if they just let them go out there and just lay into each other a little bit or whatever or it's just something. Oh, I don't know if I would. Would you would you trust Jade Cardill? Just go out there and say what you feel just say what you want. Well, but in a battle of ad lib, I might go with Ripley because Jade has always been written for. So is Rhea, but she seems like she gets it a little better. That's what I'm saying. If you give Jave, Jave, if you give Jade a mic and say just go out there and say what you want, she would cut down the locker room as a shoot, not real hot singing and piss everyone off. Well, I mean, you only have to tell her just talk about Rhea. You wouldn't have her just tell us how you feel about everybody. I'm saying it wouldn't do that. It would end up there anyway is what I'm guessing. Yeah. What were we talking about? Smackdown a great smackdown trying to get to this fucking main Did you watch Miz TV? Yes, that's what I was going. Miz TV was up next after Miz was cursed by Dan housing. And then he actually now that I think about it. Was that the reason why the microphone didn't work? Oh, you know, I didn't even think about that. Obviously it didn't work for a second. It was a funny moment, but I think it was just serendipitous. I think the microphone really quit working and they gave him another one and that was fine. But it was funny that he got cursed and went out his microphone went out. I think he's cursed because he ends up on the wrong side of Jimmy Jam or Jelly Jam or whatever his fucking thing is and blah, blah, blah. But nevertheless, his Miz TV is with Jelly Roll. Remember our friend Jelly Roll? He's okay. Well, fuck that fat fucking tattooed faced ex convict motherfucker after I have again have seen him a picture of him hugging the vile wretched hag that is Christie Gnome. I have no reason whatsoever to like this guy to balance out that type of offensive behavior. I don't know anything about his music. I don't like his fucking tattoos. And he's a fucking criminal. So fuck him. But haven't said that. Well criminals could be reformed. He's a reform criminal. Now he's just a music. Now he's just a musical criminal putting out awful music. Well, then he wouldn't be hugging a current criminal. And now we see what kind of person he really is behind this facade of all shucks. Well, nobody you shake Al Capone's hand. That doesn't mean you're mixed up with him. He was hugging her and smiling. If you hug Al Capone and smile, it doesn't mean you're associated with him. It just means you know him. Hey, right before you bow down and kiss his fucking ring. What do you think of Jelly Roll now that he's not? I mean, he's still a bigger guy, but he's not imposing in any way now. Now he's just like a big guy with tattoos, not a fat guy or anything else. Well, but can you imagine what if you took off the baggy clothes, he's got to look like a deflated truck stop novelty condom now. So when you've made that drastic of a goddamn transition, there's still all kinds of work to be done. He's going to have to have some of those. Maybe he can have that stuff sliced off and sell it by the pound. Should he change his name to Osempic Roll? You know, that's not bad. Get a sponsorship out of it. Well, but then again, the thing is, what if he keeps, what if it's a gypsy curse? And he keeps, Osempic wouldn't want to be involved if he keeps losing weight. And it ends up that sooner or later, his bone structure collapses under the weight of all the skin and he's just jelly blob. Again, there's a lot of options. I mean, this is good fantasy booking. These are good ideas. But back to, well, let's get back to the idea that they had jelly rolls, confrontation with the Miz who towered over jelly roll. I was pretty sure we'd get jelly rolls ass. You know, jelly roll was trying to cut a big time wrestling promo because this is fantasy camp for him. He would have never got to time a day from anybody to wrestling business. And he's suddenly, for some reason, became a music star. And now they're all falling all over themselves, tripping over their dicks to fucking make nice to him. But he really fucking cut a fucking wrestling promo and he and Miz went back and forth. And then suddenly Kit Wilson came out. I didn't want to like this to begin with. And I'm starting to halfway get into the argument. And here comes this Nimrod. And Kit Wilson does his though, although he did mention the face tattoos and the criminal charges and you're building a brand on bad behavior and you're fat phobic and you're toxic. And he should have said, how long has it been since you've seen your dick? Jelly roll could have said, I have a long time. There's literally been articles in the newspaper jelly roll not being able to like his dick not functioning well because of his. Yeah. For a long time. Kit could have said, we haven't seen your dick in that long. Why don't you die it? Jelly roll could have said, what color is it now? All right, so then let's get back to Kit shoved jelly and Miz was holding Kit back like, don't kill him. And jelly swung and Kit ducked and jelly nailed Miz and Kit ran off and the Miz laid dead in the ring for one punch from a formerly fat fucking country music star who didn't get an overwhelming big pop. It's not like Cindy Lauper in 85. Like, no, I actually, I wrote the last two words I wrote were few care. Yeah. When the Miz went down, it was a great shot from the side where you can kind of see the crowd like no one jumped, no one clapped, no one reacted. There was no audible noise. Big country star just punched a heel. No one cared. I don't know except WWE because they kissed this guy's ass because they think he's a bigger star than their stars and they want that involved with their company. But that's the thing. I don't know where this is this going now for a match between jelly roll and Miz because if they had, if they'd kept it, I'll just say this will move on. If they'd have kept it between jelly and Miz, the way that they were going at start before Kit Wilson came out, then if they'd have still fucking had jelly deck Miz, I would have wanted to see a match between them. But once Kit came out, I think that's another thing that just deflated everybody because now we really know this ain't important. And it was just, yeah, because it's just stupid. It's underneath Gaga from the Vince era. That was the way the promo sounded because jelly roll, I think did a great job of reciting whatever they wanted him to recite and Miz, his specialty is WWE style scripts. But it sounded so fake. Jelly Roll saying all these things, you could see that he's really trying to emote and be into it. He's trying to do a good promo. He has seen them. He's trying to do one, but you don't believe the words that are coming out of his mouth because they're corporate speak, or it's just not natural the way he's saying it. I actually think Kit Wilson's the best part of the whole thing. Oh, come on. I've enjoyed him since his partner got hurt, sadly and laughter is healing, whatever. Sadly and laugh. Well, I feel bad since his partner got hurt. He's been a lot better. Comes back. Yeah. Well, since that guy got hurt, goodness that guy got hurt. He's been more enjoyable since his partner. More enjoyable since we got rid of that dead weight. Boy, people think I'm hard hearted. What do you think of Miz versus Jelly Roll or WrestleMania? I guess that's what we're going to see. But again, you know, I preferred they didn't put the other guy in the build up, but I hope Miz just taters him. Just writing his fat tattooed face. But now it's time for the main event, Brian. And we're not talking about a wrestling match. No, because we're talking about a real main event with stars that are going to talk to each other. It's time for them to sign the contract Cody Rhodes and Randy Orton for the WWE Championship. It's the OK Punk and Roman is the world championship. This is the WWE championship. This is undisputed. But by the very nature of the word undisputed, wouldn't Punk and Roman both be disputing that? Do we want to get down that rabbit hole? Any other world champion anywhere would be a disputed champion by that logic? Yeah. Yes. But nevertheless, so Cody comes out. I mean, again, both of them are baby faces and have been presented as friends and etc. And they hugged and shook hands at the start of the thing. But there were big Randy chants and Randy has got to the icon leveled where they don't want to fucking boo him no matter what he's really doing. Every once while, as we've seen with some of these top baby faces start getting pointed with each other, they will just the people will kind of sit there. They won't agree either way or they'll kind of. But nevertheless, Cody cut the big promo his first WWE match was against Randy Orton. He had seen Randy's success. He wanted to be just like him. When he came back to WWE didn't bring his brother didn't bring his wife. He was alone, but he had Randy Orton. He's proud to be proud to be your boy. And he signed the contract right off the bat. Cody did and happy to do it. And the fans are chanting, thank you, Orton. And Randy starts to sign, but he stands up and he says, Cody, you don't understand. I need that. He's pointed the belt. This was supposed to be drew. Uh oh. And again, Cody said, Hey, Randy, let me take that burden away from you. I expect you to be the legend killer. I expect you to be the guy to the Viper. And he cut the big excited promo putting Randy over and all it, you know, he's done it once him at his best when the bell rings and he Cody said, whatever happens after the bell, Randy, I will always love you. And then Cody kind of nudges him to sign. It puts it in front of him. Like, oh, okay, sign, shake, come in for the hug and Randy grabs him and runs his head into the fucking table and it kicks him into balls and rips his shirt off and throws him out to the floor and pitches him over the desk and hits him with the stairs and Cody comes up bleeding. He's fucking bleeding from the head and Orton shoves Aldous down and he's beaten on Cody on the desk and there's people starting to come and he shoves old jelly jam down and the referees, the agents are there and then he's ready started to leave. He's put he's tilted the stairs up to where he's put Cody's head in the V as he lays on the desk and he starts to leave. He comes back around grabs a chair and hits Cody with the concerto effect where he hit the stairs, but it looked at least a lot better than the fucking concertos do. And the guys had it already exploded in a puddle of blood. So you couldn't really tell it was bullshit. And then boom, got in the ring and got the belt and sat on the chair and put it on his lap while everybody else was shocked and disgusted except for a lot of the fans who are not necessarily unhappy about this. Well, there's the problem. But it's not like this is new in that they all know it's a work now. They all know that this is part of the show and they're going to cheer for as you've said many times happenings and moments or they're just going to cheer for who they fucking want to cheer for because they don't buy the dastardly things that any person is doing to be a healer to turn heal is their legitimate personality like they did in the old days. Well, that's true across the board. But I think specifically with this, my thoughts, you know, if you go back the last several months to the reviews we've done of WWE TV, we've said it a bunch of times, they're cooling off Cody. He's not doing anything interesting. He's not really even always like a top guy on one of the shows. He's not in the mix. There's no buzz about Cody right now. The people were so behind them. They like them. Some of them do now. But it's not the same. And yeah, I think this is the result of fans almost not happy about it. But it's like a sense of normalcy with Orton turning heel. They reacted more like that than, oh my god, he's hurting Cody, which they probably even though it's a work and they know it, they probably would have reacted differently to this a year ago, a year and a half ago. But Cody has not been booked well since Cena came back. Cody's been booked under even though he's still one of their top guys. There's not a lot to cheer for. He doesn't give you a lot of reasons. The fired up promos are few and far between. I will say it's the best job of selling here that I ever saw from Cody Rhodes. Yeah. And much like his father, he got the maximum impact of looking like he has been killed by this guy. Because it was a great the ripping the shirt off was just a little thing when he did it when Randy did it. But that way Cody could limp out of there holding that belt being, you know, attended to by the referees, but not only is he covered in blood, but his clothes have been ripped from him. He just looked like he'd been run over by a car. See, I'm afraid that you have a little bit of the A.W. problem where A.W. fans were totally in the Cody when he was their big cheerleader and they were behind him and they kind of felt like he was, you know, their guy. And then as A.W. went on and they saw the way he was being used, the way he was using himself, but also the way that was an isolated world from everything else on the show slowly. But then it kind of happened all at once. The fans started turning on him. Even though he didn't turn, he was still good old baby face Cody doing the right thing. The fans turned on him. I'm not saying it's that drastic here, but they were totally into him and behind him. And then he didn't do anything interesting or great sense. And you know, what are you gonna, what's cooler? Cody Rhodes right now or Randy Orton turning heel, getting to see that. What's cooler? That's cooler. Well, and that's one of the things I said that golden boy, Cody Rhodes, what do you think? Because it's not like he's going to come out next week and okay, I'll turn the heel on you now, Randy. They're not going to do that. But as this plays out, depending on what responses they get between now and including at WrestleMania, can you see Cody starting to be a little resentful and I am the golden boy stuff like that. That might be fun. Well, he's always pushed back on any talks about turning heel. But at a certain point, especially with the way they're not booking him to be a strong top baby face and the fans are not reacting that way because he's not being booked that way. If this is a sign of things to come, the Phoenix crowd here, and we've seen a little signs of it on different shows. But it seems like there's a growing chorus of people that aren't going to cheer for Cody just because he's the top baby face. He actually has to do something to make them want to cheer him. And after a couple years of golden boy, Cody Rhodes, within, you know, what would be a moment like Orton turning heel, Cody turning back baby face. I'm just saying. Yeah. It's all about moments. Hey, since Randy laid him out, should they have Randy come in next week and cut a promo on Randy Orton? I think that would be money leading into WrestleMania. No, I think they need to do golden boy by the week after if if Brandi came out and did a promo next week defending Cody. Oh, come on, Brandi versus Randy on the mic. That's a Smackdown main event. They're going to have it on open mic night in Norcross. Open mic night, bitch. That's for you. But it's all, you know, the branding, whether it's the American nightmare, whether it's the golden boy, whether it's the Viper, whether it's the RKO, whatever. It's all about the branding, the brand names, the business potential. Brian, that's what it's about. And if you want to be in business, you better have some potential. And if you don't have any potential, then you better get Shopify. See how I did that there just nice and to the point. Because let's just say that you're just a dumb shit. You don't know how to do anything. You got rotten ideas and you need money. Well, that's why you need Shopify because Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world. 10% of all the e-commerce in the United States, it's Shopify. And do you think for a second, ladies and gentlemen, that all these people are just brilliant? No. All those people running those businesses, they're a bunch of stupid fucks just like you. But the difference, that's right. They don't know whether to cross the street in a bicycle or wind their watch. But if they get with Shopify, then Shopify can build them a design studio and accelerate their efficiency and get the word out because of a marketing team, social media campaigns, email campaigns, a commerce expert with world-class expertise and taking money away from people. What more do you need? You can be a complete knucklehead and go to Shopify and just make a fortune. You just got to have one glimmer of a small idea that may be stupid now, but they can figure out some way to make it work. Well, Jim, of course, of course, most people watch that kid. Most people who are knuckleheads probably don't recognize that they are knuckleheads or want to accept that. So why don't we talk to the good businessman out there, the good business lady out there, the people doing their damnedest to make the most money for their business, take care of their family. They need the right partner online. Like we do. We trust Shopify and the listeners can too. You're exactly right. Most people don't realize that they're stupid. So let me elaborate. People, you're stupid. You cannot do this on your own. Don't even try. It's hopeless. You'll be doomed to failure. Your family will laugh at you. Get ahold of the people at Shopify right now at Shopify.com slash JCE and you can get a $1 a month trial period where for only a dollar a month, Shopify will show you what they can do for you and how that they can make you look like that you're a competent human being and in charge of your own life and your commerce and destiny. $1 a month trial period if you use that code Shopify.com slash JCE and other way you don't even have to be able to to spell. Those are just word letters, right? JCE. So you don't even have to be able to spell. You can be just a complete illiterate buffoon. Why is this the focus today? Because that's how great Shopify is. That's why? Because they can take anybody and make them money. So if you've got a dollar that you've found in your aunt's couch cushions and you can spell JCE for the code, you can go to Shopify.com and get a dollar a month trial period and now you'll finally be able to have your neighbors admit that they live next door to you because you'll have gainful employment. You'll be making money all because Shopify will show you what the fuck to do. Shopify. That's right. One more time, Jim, that promo code that link. JCE. Shopify.com slash JCE. Yes. All right, Brian. Well, before we leave today, something has come up and I had two thoughts and they met in the middle because a few days ago, somebody had tweeted me and just reminded me of this incident we're about to discuss, review, whatever. And then also we've been talking lately about you've got to put some type of meaning behind a match, even if people know who the stars are, as Bill Watts, who we're going to hear from here shortly, said, gentlemen, I know you're all superstars and all the fans know, quote unquote, who you are, what you do, et cetera. But you can't just say, oh, we've got the international superstar from Gliet in Japan coming in to wrestle one of our guys. Oh, it's going to be a great match. What the fuck does that and when you make and need to make an impact on a television program in a short period of time to promote something or whatever, we've talked about that. So I thought a good example of a number of these things that we have talked about here on the program relating to wrestling psychology was the time that the Heavenly Bodies and I in the Rock and Roll Express in early 1983 went into WCW when Bill Watts was in charge. We've talked about that before as far as the business deal that we made and while we did that and et cetera, it was part of a overall thing that I was going to try to do with Smoky Mountain and Watts working together. But we've never actually sat down and talked about how I came up with the idea to do exactly what we did. And when you and I were talking about this earlier off the air, I reminded you that because you mentioned, you know, interpromotional angles or outsider angles, this was three years before Hall and Nash showed up on Nitro. But the previous time before this that there was actually an outsider angle, an invader angle or so, they don't work here angle, done was the same place five years before that. It was my angle too. When Heyman and the original Midnight came in and jumped us on TV, which led to the line from Jim Ross, they don't even work here, which became synonymous with every time somebody from another promotion showed up to beat the shit out of somebody. People would say, they don't even work here. And of course, like everything else, it was done to death and prostituted and with varying degrees of success based on execution after that. But the only promotion, US based promotion that WCW worked with after Turner Broadcasting bought it from Crockett with Smoggy Mountain Wrestling, they did the New Japan crossovers, they did the AAA pay-per-view Kana, but no other US based company. And the same thing actually could be said for the WWF, we showed up there, you know, later on that same year with the same match. But it's all about the pro the universe that exists in WCW or in WWF or in any promotion. You can't just take for granted that everybody knows what had gone on in other places. You always have to explain it to your fans and make it important on your program. Does that point get a get across, Brian? It gets across as you're saying it. I don't know how much it gets across in modern day wrestling. Well, but that's anyway. So when trying to put this angle together in my mind, to sell to Bill Watts on why should you pay me and us to do this thing? Watts came into WCW to reduce the expenses and get the house shows, the pay-per-views, and the ratings back up. Everything good, he needed to get up, everything bad, he needed to get down. So what do I have that would be an asset to him and his national television program? Well, I have the Rock and Roll Express working for me in Smoggy Mountain Wrestling. I don't think it's an inflammatory comment to say that they were the most popular tag team in the WCW and TBS promotion and television show for the previous 10 years at that point that then they still held the record for the highest rated Sunday night TBS wrestling program they'd ever aired. So I've got the Rock and Roll Express. The fans in WCW know them, but they have not seen them together in WCW at about two years at that point. I've got me and Stan Lane, who as part of the Midnight Express were on WCW's television programming for five straight years every week, but had been gone for a little over two years since Stan and I walked out and that had never been explained on WCW television because they didn't do that back then. We walked out, they just figured next week Bobby was a single and the fans never knew. Now the smart fans did because they read the newsletters, but Brian as we've mentioned there were vast numbers fewer smart fans in 1993 than in 2026. They still numbered in the thousands by that point, but it wasn't like today where it's literally you can click on the internet and find out anything. So that had never been resolved for the WCW audience or at this point what was left of it, but we had been part of one of the biggest grossing tag teams that had worked there again in the previous decade. But now I have a new team because Watts still has Bobby Eaton, he's under contract and I have Stan Lane and Tom Pritchard, the Heavenly Bodies and Spoky Mountain Wrestling, but because Watts knew that Bobby had not been used well, he said, hey, I'm going to give him to you for 90 days and he'll work for you in Spoky Mountain and with that way when he comes back we can freshen him up. And then I believe it went long after that he went into the later that year. Was that the dangerous alliance? Whatever the fuck point is year before year before, nevertheless. So now I've got Bobby again, but we can combine our forces. So the point is we have an attraction plus I have a promotion that can supply videotape and we can make this thing sound legitimate. So all right, and this is what I pitched to Watts and this is what as you will see when we play this interview in a second we ended up doing. I said what about it wouldn't be out of the way, wouldn't be, you know, people wouldn't raise red flags if you announced on WCW Saturday night. Ladies and gentlemen, next week we're going to see one of the most popular tag teams in the history of WCW, the Rock and Roll Express. They're currently appearing in the Tennessee based Spoky Mountain Wrestling, but they're going to be making appearances here and we're happy to see them again. We know all the fans will look forward to seeing them next week, but here's some tape of the Rock and Roll Express and the tape they play is from Spoky Mountain Wrestling credited, right? But all the whole footage is just the Rock and Roll Express just beating a shit out of Stan Lane and Tom Pritchard to heavily bodies and me going oh my god and they don't say that, they don't even mention it, they just here's the tape of the Rock and Roll Express and then the following week, I think maybe they did an interview or whatever the fuck, but the point is within a week or two in the middle of a program where it's been announced that now the Rock and Roll Express is going to be there live and they're going to wrestle, they're going to wrestle Tex Slashinger and Shanghai Pierce, which Brian as you'll remember they ended up being Henry and Phineas Godwin in a later life. That's right. But that was false booked. They were never going to have that match. That's what Watts put on the format for him to advertise and nobody knew and I'm talking about the boys didn't know and a lot of the crew didn't know that Tom Pritchard, Stan Lane and I were going to be at center stage that day to do this angle. They didn't put it on the format. Watts knew, Jim Ross knew, a couple other people that had to knew, but otherwise they didn't put it on the format. They didn't advertise it and it didn't get out that we were going to be there because again, there were sheets, but we didn't tell anybody. And we got there that day at like one o'clock in the afternoon at center stage and were escorted by one, I think it was one of the referees, might have been was Nick Patrick still there. Nevertheless, to a goddamn utility closet where we sat there all afternoon and only spoke to Jim Ross and Bill Watts. But basically the deal would be that when they've come back from a commercial break while Jim Ross is about to do a pitch, suddenly Jim Cornette, Stan Lane and Bobby Eaton and Tom Pritchard come in the front door of center stage like where the fans come in and start walking down the stairs and as the people see us and we were dressed like ourselves and had a tennis racket so it didn't take long. They start reacting and JR looks up and go, well, ladies and gentlemen, I don't know what's going on here, blah, blah, blah. And our whole bone of contention is that we are pissed off at what happened last week when they showed that tape that Stan Lane and I walked out of this company two years ago because they were trying to make the Midnight Express look like idiots and what happens we'd watch TV last week and you're doing the same thing to the Emily bodies. Megadus look like idiots. I called for Bill Watts to come out and Watts and I have the confrontation and it's a chance for us to use some of our old material from 10 years before in the last stampede but also Watts is the authority figure says you people don't work here so I can't book your matches or find you or whatever but I'll call the cops if you disrupt our television program again and I goad him a little bit more and that's when the Rock and Roll Express come out, they're pissed off, they're not even dressed to wrestle yet, their match is later in the program and again the way that little things that you can throw in that I learned from Watts, so both of us would have done this, is he said we can't book your matches, you don't work here, it's not like he can just make a match but he offered the ring and that's the little loophole that okay well this ain't all bullshit, he just said whatever you want to settle it, do it in front of us and we'll watch and at the same time when you hear my promo, yes the smart fans may have known that we left because they were disrespecting the midnight express but it was never explained to the audience so I explain why Stan and I left, where we been, what we're doing now and why we're there tonight because we're pissed about this thing and it flows kind of naturally and logically and then when the promo is over with we've jumped in and we do the match, well I will stop before we get there to analyze what's been said but you will also notice a couple of spots that there is no audio in the middle of an argument and Brian you know that's my problem with old Eric Bischoff, old EZE when he was blamed to me by somebody that I trusted for being one of the people who decided to edit the thing because I had told Watts, I'm gonna say, say that we didn't have a script, we told each other here, here's my story and Bill here's what I'll say and it always changes but that's the point of the thing but one thing I did say, I'm gonna say, I hated Jim Herd with a passion and I'm not too fond of you because that's another one of those little lines that would make people think, he's really telling the truth and another one was that I would say well we'll just settle it with you Rock and Roll, we'll settle it with you Friday night in Knoxville and then Watts goes, we don't care what you do, where our fans can't see it, if you want to do something like that but they bleeped out my plug for Knoxville so that's what I was pissed about the editing of this thing because it was two of the lines that made it sound like we were trying to get away with something so never the questions before we go into this thing Brian. Well I mean you were incredibly detailed there, I don't have too many questions before we go into it but this is kind of the beginning of Eric Bischoff's run as executive producer in WCW, he really takes over once Watts is out and Jim Ross, this is one of the last things Jim Ross did in WCW too, Jim Ross who chose to wear a suit that matched the background, the gray and purple WCW logo behind him, the same colors as his suit, it's an interesting look but this was an interesting time in WCW, a lot of things happening, a lot of things changing, Ric Flair about to come back and like I said Eric Bischoff just starting to gain some power. In terms of the editing, didn't you air the unedited one on Smokey Mountain TV? I aired, well I edited it also because it was a 12 minute segment and we trimmed it up to fit our television program, the promo and the match altogether is 12 minutes but I don't know, I don't know whether I got a copy of the undead, I don't know if there was a copy of the unedited because I got it from them because when I didn't know that they'd edited it until I watched it on television when it aired and then I called Watts and said like what the fuck he did, they told him at first it was a directional microphone, didn't pick some shit up and I had been doing production even then more than Bill had been in a production studio at that point because I was actually doing it all at Tennessee Production Center practically myself and I said no, they muted the fucking audio on the microphone track but nevertheless we're in the weeds. Who told you that it was Bischoff that did that or told someone to do that? You know, well it was Bischoff and Tony Chavani were the ones that were in the room at the time and I was led to believe that it was Bischoff that was the ringleader and and Chavani just was always happy to go along with the floor. I'm trying to remember who it was that told me now because it was I don't want to finger anybody unnecessarily. Did you see Dusty? Because he was looking exactly right. Yes, oh yes and you know that no everything was fine there. Remember that's when by the time that we got to the pay-per-view Super Brawl, Watts was gone and remember I'd said that time to one of the referees that when we came in he's, I'll get to see you back and say well don't pull up no chairs and we ain't staying or something like that and Dusty said and over say hey Dusty what's to sit is there or what's to talk to you? I said okay we snuck over and I said what's up Dusty? He said do we have heat? I said no and he said well he's told the guy you wouldn't be staying. I said well we're we're not going to be staying now Watts is gone. Dusty if you had his job I love you but you don't have his job there's people they were even telling him what to fucking do so it's the same situation we're going back to Knox. But did you see Dusty that first night when you were at the Center for the H.A.V.E.? Not beforehand because we never left that fucking closet. Maybe afterwards I'm trying to think probably probably afterwards. If there was a different executive who had the exact same run as Bill Watts and everything went exactly the same and he came in with the same skeletons in his closet whatever you want to say everything's the same it's just not Bill Watts and he gets fired slash quits whatever same thing but if it wasn't Bill Watts does Jim Ross believe WCW or is Jim Ross stay with WCW for the next 10 years? Well he wouldn't have left then I don't know how long he would have stayed he wouldn't have left then because he got painted as Bill Watts's boy and suddenly you know even though he'd been there for the previous five or six years because Watts comes in for four months the JR was tainted goods and couldn't be trusted anymore now that Watts is gone so they tried to make him the guy traveling around syndicating the TV show to local stations in a tumble Iowa and he said okay fuck that he went to work for Vince. Well again this was WCW Saturday night February 6 1993 and I know we have some audio here we can play and this is a long segment like you said there's the promo there's the build up there's the promo and then eventually a match we're gonna do the first half today and we will return next time with the second half but you've given us the build up. Oh go ahead sorry. I was just gonna say and when the promo starts it's JR doing his pitch and then there's some element of silence and crowd noise because we are emerging into the arena where they can see us and then we'll we'll let that bad boy run for a little while and see how it goes I may jump in. That should be a tremendous tournament ladies and gentlemen to determine a new world television champion those 16 men competing not only on worldwide wrestling but on the main event as well and the main event as I said we'll return right here to TBS tomorrow at 6.05 Eastern time now don't forget later in this broadcast the big one-on-one matchup involving Sting and Barry Windham after what happened here last week we know that that situation is certainly going to be a war also still to come we're gonna talk more about Super Brawl the big pay-per-view event. Wait just a second I don't really believe what I'm seeing there's Jim Carnett and the Smoky Mountain Wrestling Tag Team Champions the heavenly bodies and what an unexpected situation this is this is not Smoky Mountain. There's some nice traffic out on pit street why don't I want to go play in it you know I've got a problem Jim Ross and I've got some people here to back me up tonight and I want to see somebody that don't answer their telephone calls out here yeah I don't know where the camera is I don't care if this is up to me or not I want to see Bill Watts Bill Watts don't answer his telephone Bill Watts is a big executive Bill Watts don't return his calls but I don't like being ignored I want to see Bill Watts out here face-to-face and if I don't get it we ain't gonna leave if you got anybody can move us please please try please try because I'm ready for some big trouble here tonight well I think cowboy Bill Watts is here he may be busy right now Jim. Where is he? What is he at? Right in the horse? Huh? Come on Marshall Gillan I know you're right here somewhere I want to see Bill Watts right here face-to-face big man big executive yeah yeah yeah here we go yeah. Let me pause it there for a second Jim because there's a lot going on and obviously it goes on for a while here you come out there you throw the barricade against the ring yeah you guys storm out there an interesting look from Bobby Eaton the colorful shirt with the gray blazer but what are your first thoughts uh hearing this back? Well that's the thing is we wanted to cause a stirrer at its same point the first of all the reason why JR got to pitch so much is because they literally had to run get us out of the closet take us out the side door around the front so we could come through and and the one guy was supposed to lead us and he fucking led us into the building and didn't tell us exactly which way to turn for the door nevertheless then when we get down there we've got to call Watts out but he doesn't come right out like he's been sitting there waiting on it you see what I'm saying he gives it a second like he could plausibly have been interrupted going there's a situation you got to go to and then boom out he comes and we get up my nose to his chin you know what else it did it gave people at home before the internet time to call people and say jim cornet and the midnight expiser on tbs yeah because it was a big deal I remember watching this let's go back to the audio okay let's pause it there for a second so that was a choice that was made post production by Eric Bischoff and Tony Shavani to mute that line although you could obviously still hear some audio it just conveniently drops out yes see the the p we were on the pa system so the ambion microphones in the arena picked it up slightly but they dropped the handheld that I was on all right back to the audio from his taken company tried to make the midnight express look like a bunch of idiots we left we took and we found dr. Tom Pritchard and we formed another tag team the heavenly bodies and we went to smoky mountain wrestling where they appreciate wrestling talent and we became the tag team champions of smoky mountain wrestling and in all of a sudden like some kind of cancer the rock and roll express reoccurs and they come and they steal our tag team belts and before we can do anything about that I'm sitting at home in Knoxville, Tennessee I'm watching television and I turn on in front of God and everybody on national tv you're showing a bunch of videotape of the rock and roll express beating our brains out and there go the chance let me tell you something watch there was another one yeah where I said I broke up the midnight express because I didn't want to look like idiots and then they muted something which I don't even remember it that this was part of the explanation to make it sound legitimate that we were really pissed about the way that things were going this wasn't a wrestling angle but go ahead and brought you back to the fold of man you've misused and abused for two years here and we got our tag team belts back and now what I want from you is a public apology watch all those people that you showed that video take two I want a public apology for trying to embarrass us make us look like clowns and if I don't get it oh let me pause it here because you can't hear it they muted you saying you're gonna sue everyone oh that's right that's another thing yes I said do you remember Brian the last amped what I said if I don't get my way it was watch this material I'm gonna sue you I'm gonna sue mid-south wrestling if you show that tape again I'm gonna sue everybody that's what started our argument to begin with right and I said then also I said I'm gonna sue everybody and blah blah and Bill's waiting there and he's of course he's reacting and he's smirking and he's doing his bill what's thing and when I give him the finger poke in the fucking chest that's when he snatches my hand and makes the comeback but I'm building this whole fucking thing for him to be able to make the fucking comeback and they're chopping it up in post-production but it even nevertheless along and I don't I don't remember what my exact words were but it was not any profanity they just didn't want anybody threatening to sue fucking it's oh god damn work on the wrestling show but they were so lawsuit conscious because they had to pay everyone that was filed against them anyway go ahead yeah they made it seem worse than it was it made it seem like yeah I was like I was going fuck fucking even fuck but I'll raise such a big stink about this that before it's over with you're gonna be swapping out toilets and seeing in and popping popcorn first of all sissy keep your hands off of me because I don't want to have to have the blood test now hold on that's a heavy line exactly exactly did you just the people when he grabbed my hand the people came up and first of all sissy and they blew they were we could have worked that for god damn another three months if we'd all been there and we could have worked on pay-per-view and it would have drawn me and him for fuck's sake go ahead it's never been a man that delivers the word sissy the way bill watson he spits it out sissy yes yes like it's it tastes bad in his mouth and he's gonna need a blood test because you touching him or whatever it was would cause him to get aids is what he's trying to say don't touch what happened my blood test didn't don't touch me straighten one thing out you run your mouth there's a lot of people I'd apologize to but you're not one of them everything we showed on this program we had all the releases and all the clearances and we've been working hand to glove with bob armstrong who's the commissioner of smoky mountain wrestling you're the biggest mouth there but you don't carry a lot of weight wait wait you do carry a lot of weight and it's still in the same place it always was your kind of egg shape but we got clearances for what we showed wait a minute we want to we'll do whatever we want now I'm jumping into piss him off a little bit more so he'll find out more at me you don't work for us so I can't find you and I can't we're not signing you magic but the next time you butt in on our show I live Doug Dilliger and Atlanta's finest walked your little right down to the crossbar hotel and we'll put you in jail I'll tell you who you ought to put in jail you ought to have the rock and roll express arrested for murder they came out here last week and killed your ratings you bring them out here like Henry Kissinger and a steak dinner sent them there slapping us in the face they're losers we beat them here comes the rock and roll obviously a lot of yelling and screaming back and forth here and I have to say because I was watching regularly at this time this was more exciting than just about everything happening in WCW for a pretty long while at this point well and because it was not only it was new it was fresh oh we haven't seen these people in a while but we got into a goddamn argument that people started listening to and got into and then these other guys come out and it just keeps escalating that's the way it's supposed to be there's what I said do something about it in Knoxville you all don't even come out here talking about a bunch of stuff that's happening where our fans don't even know and don't care but I'll say one thing here we've established that ring right out there's neutral ground and I'll tell you if you guys want to get your tails out there we'll let you settle why don't you get that ring and hook them up we're not dressed we don't have tights what are you pulling for it let's get a referee out here let's get a referee we're not scared we're just we're not dressed let me tell you don't let that hold you back you're not dressed too well anyway watch they're ready okay and now Ricky and Robert have already they've taken their watches and their necklace off they're in the rig and their street clothes the midnight slash bodies are scrambling around I'm like okay okay and Stan's taking his watch off and the people now the people say yeah we want to see this shit and I mean I I don't know why it's it's hard to understand even if they know who if we did just come out or if they had just come out two weeks beforehand and said hey the Rocker Roll Express are wrestling the heavenly bodies in Knoxville a bunch and we're going to have them here next week or whatever and they're going to have a match oh that's interesting but when they don't expect it and we bring it in and we explain it to them and we get them behind the whole fucking premise and then we goddamn gin up the controversy well you want to see it now goddamn yes we do well here we go and it for smart fans or non-smart fans alike it was believable because now they all understood it the non-smart fans which there was still more of them than not and I'm not talking about just who knows wrestling is a work but where did everybody go and why arguments with management we had to explain that and then there you go well there you go and once again WCW Saturday night February 6 1993 and a lot of wind behind me we could only do so much in post-production with that but Jim will pick this up next time on the drive-thru with a watch along of the heavenly bodies and the Rock and Roll Express on Saturday night yes and I will preface that by saying like I said we had a 12 minute segment that interview was probably about five or six so we had about another six minutes and we did basically the same thing that we did when the midnight first faced the Rock and Roll Express on Mid-South television we just gave them a trailer for it because we didn't want to give a we didn't want to have the best match we could possibly have we wanted to have an exciting match to reintroduce the Rock and Roll Express and introduce the heavenly bodies and then end with a disputed finish and some heat that would lead to Bill Watts and Commissioner Bob Armstrong of Smogymount Wrestling getting together to bring the match for the Smogymount Tag Team Championship to their WCW viewers on Super Brawl from Asheville, North Carolina which also happened to be right in the middle of Crockett Territory and that's where the fans would want to see it so we'd help the live gate too and so therefore as you said we're going to watch along the match on the drive-thru but we're going in the ring to do five or six minutes of action as a tease to make them want to see the full match rather than having a 20-minute match that with everything we can do and what else we're going to do and the people were standing the whole fucking time more on that on the drive-thru that's right we will return on the drive-thru this episode also has when oh my god remember this when I talk about how bad things were again you look you see all this talent like things must have been good Steve Austin Brian Pillman Barry Windham Sting Ron Simmons but it was just a kind of dead feeling a lot of the time this is the episode they have Eric Watts when he gets into a fight with arna Anderson at the gas station oh good lord yes and puts him in an stf at the gas station at the gas station next to the pump I remember that because that's what you would do if you were to fight you would try to put someone in an stf it was the most ridiculous thing ever and it did not help the fans they still booed Eric Watts no matter what and to be honest and the talent was great but steamboat and Shane Douglas were the tag team babyface tag team champions then but when we went to their tv tapings and did the eight man with the bodies and Austin and Pillman against to rock and roll and steamboat and Shane the people spent the whole match chanting rock and roll because they were fresh again and because it was new talent that had come in and made an impact on the television rather than the same guys that they'd seen in kind of boring lackluster stuff for the previous however long and that's another reason Watts went for this because even though even though Dusty was booking and Watts was in charge of the entire company they hadn't done anything like this in a while and Watts recognized it and he knew they needed some fresh shit going on on the television which is what our again our plan was was to do more of these type of things if that had lasted but he didn't so we didn't but that's the way you make of an inter promotional or outsider angle somewhat legitimate and this was the last the first one they had done since Paulie and them came into TBS and fucking tackled us which was again my angle but that's when Dusty was booking and Dusty had approved it so Dusty didn't mind doing my shit baby well again we will return to this next time WCW Saturday night February 6th 1993 and in the meantime we're gonna hunker down because bad weather is coming it's a storm coming any um it's a storm coming so until the drive-thru and next week on the experience and we're gonna talk about the AEW pay-per-view on the drive-thru and all these other things and they just keep going on thank you fuck you and bye bye everybody