James Fishback on DeSantis’s Attack on Free Speech, Randy Fine’s Bloodlust, & America Last Globalism

So you're running for governor of Florida. Why are you doing that? I'm doing it because I love my state. My fourth generation, Floridian, and I got to tell you Tucker, it's really hard to be an American and America these days. It's really hard for Floridian who quite literally put the state on the map. They're not being forced out of the state because they can't afford to live here anymore. All while illegal immigrants still get the free stuff from the Biden years, all while each one be still coming to our state and take jobs that belong to Americans here in Florida. And then I think the last draw was this idea of Washington, DC negotiating a trade deal with China. And then 600,000 foreign students are going to come to our universities, maybe a third of them to Florida colleges where their taxpayer funded universities are going to have to give up their seats from Florida kids from Charlotte County or Lee County to kids from Shanghai and Beijing. It didn't make any sense. And so I'm running because I'm the only. That's literally true. Literally. That's part of the current framework, this bilateral framework between the US and China right now is the DC is now as a concession to the Chinese and this tariff war that we're going to have to accept 600,000 Chinese foreign students at our schools. And you think you're getting 200,000 in Florida. We could get 200,000 here in Florida. And they would go to state. That's cool. So University of Florida, Florida state, UCF, USF. Now I think it's easy to get lost in all those numbers. But just take one kid from a small fishing village in Florida and say, hold on, your ability to go to a horticulture program at the University of Florida has now been put on pause. Your entire life has been shelved because we need to have a grand negotiating strategy with China and tariffs in the AI arms race. It's destroying lives here in Florida. It's just the latest analogy of losing sight of what the America first was. So that's for sure. So that means, I guess this is all obvious, but I haven't talked to through a really thought of through. So that would mean that there's no preference given to the American born whose family's been paying taxes to support the school. And I should say in Florida, the best schools in Florida are public universities. That's right. The largest and the best. Right. So University of Florida, number one, I think I don't want to get in trouble. But it's like, yes, hard to stick it into. So it's not like they're all going to go to some boutique liberal arts college and pay a hundred grand a year to right middle-burier something. They're going to be taking spots at the public universities that are there to serve the children of taxpayers of Florida. That's exactly right. Who will not receive preference over them. Correct. In fact, we'll be inferior to them in a sense because when you have this DC mandate coming down, it says, hey, because of our grand strategy with China, because the US China, the Sino-US relationship is on the line, wink, wink, nod, nod. In order to maintain day-tongued with Beijing and Xi Jinping, we need this kid to get in. That's not going to ever be a direct order, but it's going to be implied in the zeitgeist that those pesky Americans, the ones that paid to build this university. Yes. They deserve. And forget this idea of fairness and who deserves what? Just objectively speaking, Florida kids who grew up here know the state best. When they graduate, they'll stay in this state. Of course, they'll build businesses here. They'll hunt here. They'll raise families here. And when you deny them that ability to do all of that, then what's the point? It is a very distressing thing. And that's happening. It's happening. What has been the posture of state government? Like what's the governor's office say about that? There's been nothing so far. I think Governor Santos has been a great governor, especially during COVID after COVID standing up. I agree with that. I agree with that. The indoctrination in our schools, which maybe is the only silver lining from COVID is all the parents actually knew what was going on in the classroom. The white guilt lessons, you know, so the white kids, we don't want the teachers telling the white kids to apologize. And we don't want the teachers also telling the black kids that there's something somehow wrong with them. And they're systemically oppressed and they can never make it. You know, my posture on all of this is, I think it's conservative. We have to stop playing defense, stop wagging the finger at things we don't like. And start actually having concrete, falsifiable solutions to this issue of China. Here's my solution very simple. On day one, my first executive order as governor next January is to raise tuition on all foreign students to $1 million a year. So talk to them when they can't pay their out and our kids are back in their destinies, their lives restored at our great colleges. And the legislature can, you can do that by executive order? Sure executive order. Oh, that's clever. Yeah, because foreign students pay full freight typically. And unless you're an illegal alien in what you subsidized, but rich foreigners send their kids to school in America and displace Americans. Correct. Well, I should say they pay full freight relative in that moment to what the tuition is relative to the in state student. Right. But think about the in state student, 18 years old, probably work to job in Florida, live their whole life, their parents live their whole life there possibly. So all of those taxes that they paid over their 18 years, their parents 45 years collectively built that university, funded dormitories, janitors, professors, the chief DEI officer, right? All of that was funded. And so it is full freight in an instantaneous sense. But if you take a holistic view, the kid who just got here from Shenzhen, who doesn't know what a Florida orange juice is, right? None of that. Can't possibly both in an economic sense, but I think, I mean, not to sound gay, but in a spiritual sense, yes. You know, like in a spiritual sense, does not represent our state and our heritage. It's the opposite of gay, actually. No, I agree with you absolutely and completely. And that's, by the way, how a civilization forms its culture is through education, right? And you can't educate the world. That's not your job. And in fact, it's counterproductive to having a distinct culture. So that's what inspired you to get in. I think that was the last straw to tell you the truth because I met with a lot of college students in my life before this, which is to say four and a half weeks ago. I've been running an investment firm called a Zoria that actually launched at all places at Mar-a-Lago last December, 2024. Kevin Roberts was there, President Trump, Kathy Wood. And the firm was based on this idea that instead of channeling money into companies that hate America, why don't we channel money into companies that unapologetically stand for American values, like meritocracy, like colorblindness? Yeah. So in 2025, I'm proud to say we channeled up to $40 million of investor capital in companies that were doing the crazy thing of not hiring on race and gender and hiring on skill and merit. My company, Zoria, it's actually, it's ETF got delisted by our board of trustees. They're supposed to be independent, but it got delisted because we submitted an amendment to them saying we wanted to now exclude companies that abuse the H1B program. We said, look, this abuse is systematic. It is systemic. It's hurting American workers. And we gave them a five page research paper that said it's actually hurting the bottom line of these companies because they're bringing in cheap foreign slave labor that doesn't actually add to the synergy of the company. It leads to higher attrition. It breaks down productivity, et cetera. And their response was, you're a racist. And they delisted our fund. And who got this? The board of trustees of the title financial group in October, just nine days after saying, hey, here's our formal amendment to to broaden the scope of our investment fund to not just exclude companies that are doing the DEI stuff, but actually exclude companies that are doing something that's far more insidious, which is your white guy? No, you don't get a job. We want an Indian guy to do it for half the price. And ethnic cartels form within companies that hire within the ethnicity. It's the opposite of what this country promises. Right. And they gaslight us and say, all the white men hiring officers are only hiring white men. Absolutely not. That's a lot. It's not a single HR manager. It's just a white male country that led in the rest of the world. So clearly, no, that's not true. Clearly. Yeah. And it's all based on the slanderous lie of systemic racism. The only systemic racism in America is against white Christian men. I'm aware. That's interesting. And it's interesting to hear you say that as a gubernatorial candidate because even like six months ago, hearing that from a aspiring politician would have been totally shocking. And it does seem like maybe because of you and people like you saying it more, just like who could disagree with that. Yeah. I think for me, I was in a small town called Frostproof in Southern Polk County. Your viewers may know Grady Juddies, the most famous sheriff here in Florida. I know Grady Juddies. Yeah. Frostproof, and this was a community that was teaming with life just 15, 20 years ago. The peak of our citrus industry was the 2005 harvest 230 million boxes of citrus. This last season, only 14 million. And this was predominantly a white man's industry. And when I went there and I saw what used to be a small movie theater, now a dollar general, what used to be a family-owned grocery store, now some weird perverted liquor store, when I see entire towns across my state, whether it's Frostproof, Pauke, Belglade, Canal Point, more haves. I've seen it. I've seen it. Orderly hollowed out. And the primary victims of what is effectively this America-last globalism that has prioritized other nations and other corporations' interest over our own people, it really does hit hard that we have been sold a bag of goods. And the biggest victims and all of it are actually predominantly white men to be completely honest. Victimhood, not to be a victim, but the victimhood is very far-reaching. But if you want to flip the caste system over, you'd be hard pressed to find someone more oppressed in my state right now than a rural white Christian man who relied on cattle, on citrus, on manufacturing. My own dad was a tree trimmer for 20 years. The devastating Haitian earthquake happened in January of 2010. And then it was this brilliant idea from a guy named Brock Hussain Obama to let a hundred Haitians who were here illegally just stay here and get work authorization. Now, of course, they can't become SAT tutors, so what happens? They do manual labor like tree trimming. Next thing you know, my dad has lost his business of 20 years through no fault of his own, but because the open border legitimized that labor. And now I'm living on food stamps with my parents. We're on the brink of bankruptcy. 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But this infestation that led to the premature falling of fruit of Citrus fruit, whether it's Donaldson or Orange, Tangello, whatever, off these trees and you can't sell that fruit if it falls off. Yes. And so that's obviously the proximate cause. And I think it's again, it's like most conservatives. I'm not going to sit here. I'm just blaming China for everything. I think the ultimate systemic cause is Democrats and dare I say Republicans in Tallahassee just stopped caring. Yeah. I mean, look, this destroyed an entire industry, 220 million down to 14 million boxes, entire communities decimated. Not just Citrus, but all the little mom and pop businesses, the diner, the family-owned grocery store, the little movie theater downstairs. Citrus was Florida. It was on the license plate. It's still it. Well, there's nothing. But I think you know, it's a foreign flag. I've also said it's Florida governor. It's going to be no foreign flags flown on our government buildings or in our state license. When I ask you that, that had another country's flag, why not put in your license plate, but I'll ask you to second. So sure. But Citrus was at the very center of Florida's economy and its culture for 100 years, 100%. And I grew up in Broward County, which is obviously a very urban place now, but where I grew up in Davien, in West Broward, near the Everglades, we had Citrus groves out there when I was a kid. And so you could quite literally go out like a flamingo gardens and you could smell. You could smell that orange scent on a crisp, it's a one-airy day. And it is perhaps the sickest analogy that yes, in a proximate sense, China caused this, but much like COVID Tucker, it wasn't China. It was the government apathy and difference and an intentional sabotage of our country against its own people. So true. I can sit here and blame Xi Jinping. He's doing what he thinks is best for his country. And that means screwing us over. I guess that's it. But I can't sit here and say, look, the Chinese are guilty of the fentanyl crisis. These precursors come from interior of China, get shipped to Mexico, get pressed in fentanyl pills and sent across the southern border. But really, it is our leaders that have the ultimate responsibility. They're the last line of defense. So I think as Republicans, we need to grow up and stop blaming all of our problems in embracing this left-wing victim's culture. And so look, China, this China that, here's my solution is Florida governor. Any scientist in the world who wants to develop a strand of citrus that is impervious to greening, we're going to pay you $1 billion cash. If you can prove and we'll grow it and we'll do it for 18 months, if you take the best scientist in the world and they may be in Iran of all places, it doesn't matter. If there's a scientist or a group of scientists in the world who want to step up and actually solve a problem that has torn a sunder, entire communities that's unemployed men and women, haul it out in tired towns across my state, we're going to pay you a billion dollars because what that industry represented, that would merely be an investment in bringing back the number one thing that put my state on the map. No, that is absolutely right. They tore up the groves that took, you know, years, takes years for an orange tree to go from seedling to fruit bearing and they tore them up, they tore them out of the ground, they burned them. Correct. Really a metaphor for so much. So, I want to ask with the foreign flag thing, I always admired DeSantis certainly during COVID. I thought he was just a remarkable leader, interviewed him many times. I know him and his wife. It was the foreign policy stuff that made me wonder, like, what is this and how controlled is he by Ken Griffin and the rest of his donors? And then he had this moment where he signed a hate speech law out of the country. He flew to a foreign country, Israel to sign a hate speech law for Florida. And I thought, well, this is obviously unconstitutional. It's immoral, but it's also part of an elaborate humiliation ritual where you have to go not just like enslave your own people with a hate speech law, which that is a slavery, but you have to go kiss someone else's wall to show your obedience and I was like, I'm out. Like, how did that happen? Well, it started like most things, terrible things start here in Florida with Randy Fine. Randy Fine, quite literally. The genocide guy? Yeah, the genocide guy, the star of away Gaza kids guy. I can't believe he's real. So what, how do he have to do with that? So he introduced this law, which effectively criminalized anti-semitism in Florida. Now look, Tucker, I think you and I and your viewers recognize that any form of religious hatred should be condemned unequivocally. Well, yeah, I have condemned it. I've been condemned anti-semitism. I'm condemned attacking people for being Muslim with their kids' rival too. Right. I was called a jihadi for that. I'm against all of it. And I'm certainly opposed to the anti-Christian hate from, which is perhaps the most very one. That's for sure. So no, I'm of course, I'm totally, I'm a Christian. I'm opposed to that. You can't criminalize attitudes. Every person's free to have his own attitudes ugly as they may be. Period. Correct. And the issue is if you look at, if you look at the statutory definition of anti-semitism here in Florida, which is 10105 in our state statute, it actually says that criticizing the Jewish state that would be Israel, holding them to a double standard, denying them their place on the world stage, that's literally in state statute 101. It's against the law to criticize Israel. Think about that. So if you're a college student at FSU and you're having an earnest good faith debate with someone who sympathizes with the Israeli cause, you with the Palestinian cause, whatever the case is. And one of you says Netanyahu is a war criminal or Israel is committing genocide. You could literally be punished and expelled from your taxpayer-funded university by that. And that is messed up. It is unconstitutional. It's totally unamerican. It's totally unamerican. And of course, the Republicans and Democrats in Tallahassee got along with it because they're donors, wanted them to get along with it. And so Randy Fine is the one who introduced that. He introduced it. And it says I did have it signed in Israel. Why would DeSantis, who is smart, if nothing, not a warm person, obviously, but he's definitely not stupid? Why would he go along with something like that? It's a great question. But I hold the governor to the incredible work that he did during COVID, education, all of that. I think that what's quite telling just recent events is maybe you heard a foreign leader was here in Florida last week. One Benjamin Netanyahu who was visiting the United States. He's a total criminal. He's a depraved little man to be completely honest. And he was here. And all of this, Ashley Moody, Bernie Moreno all came down to meet with him. The governor didn't. Governor DeSantis didn't. But the lieutenant governor, Jay Collins did. And so I think it's easy for us to go back and say, you know, why did the governor do this? That are the other several years ago. But at this moment in time, when the governor had the opportunity to meet with Netanyahu, it seems like he deliberately chose not to, which was an absolutely wise decision. But Jay Collins did meet with him, which is actually rather interesting because 40 hours before that meeting happened, Israeli media said that I am a quote threat, that I am a bigger threat to Israel than Donald Trump's. Who is I am? You? Yeah. How old are you? I'm 31. Well, congratulations. For being an existential threat to a nation state because you're running for governor. They really said that. They said that. And because I push out a policy that was actually quite popular with almost everybody. And it is the fact that Florida lends Israel $385 million as we sit here today. And so what I said is that a day one is governor executive order number two would be to fully divest all foreign bonds of any country. And there's only one country that we invest in abroad. Are you sure? And that's Israel. $385 million. You know what really got them is I said, I would then take the $385 million and create a statewide down payment assistance program for young married couples because we have to protect homeownership. So young folks across our state can buy a place to live, get married and have kids. Okay. We've got my vote. That's all I needed to hear. Sorry. Amen. Amen. What's the smart way to protect your house? Is it wait till a burglar smashes a window and wanders around the living room, terrifying your kids? Or is it be preventing bad people from breaking into your house in the first place? Well obviously it's be the most security companies don't seem to know this. They react to invaders after they've gotten into your house. No. Simply save does the opposite the obvious. It stops criminals before they get inside. It's proactive not reactive. Simply saves cameras spot threats alert live agents talk directly to intruders. Hey, you're on camera. Get out now. 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So I actually was a government bond trader in a different life, which is say three or four years ago. And so I traded government bonds and interest rate futures and all of that stuff. And so what happened was after the tragedy that was October 7th and unequivocally was a job. Yeah, of course. It, the Florida state government state chief financial officer Jimmy Patronis, who's now in Congress. He announced that to stand with Israel, we were going to start buying tens of millions which became hundreds of millions of dollars in Israeli bonds. This was a purely political decision. It wasn't a decision that says, hey, the yield, the rate of return on Israeli debt is actually quite high. So we should buy some. No, it was to stand in solidarity with a foreign country. We are going to take taxpayer money and lend it in the form of a sovereign government bond purchase. They weren't even hiding how nakedly political they were. And just for a moment, I just want to. But what about the pensioners who rely on the returns of those bonds to like fund their retirement or the people of Florida don't they? Isn't there fiduciary duty of the legislature to like look out for their interests or is it only about helping BB? The latter. Truly. I mean, you're right. And by the way, and I save us as someone who was a fiduciary as an investor. Yes. Think about it just for a moment. A country is going to war is currently being confronted by a soon to be nuclear power in Iran, they say. Yeah. And so the relating tensions with all of its neighbors just objectively forget what country that is. And now you think it's a good time to compromise your fiduciary responsibility and by their government debt. I mean, like, can you imagine someone saying that seems like a good long term bet. Bestment, right? Can you imagine someone saying like whoever they are and saying like, we just invaded Iraq and O3. We should just stand with Iraq and by their bonds. Like, forget who Saddam Hussein was. Like, why would it be a good idea to buy Iraqi government bonds? Right. And by the way, they don't offer a terrible amount of interest. Actually, Israeli bonds often yield less than US treasuries. No way. Yeah. So it's not like they were yielding 20% and they were actually an objectively good decision for our pensioners. No, it was a nakedly political position without any risk reward. It was all risk and no reward to appease the Israeli government. And don't understand. So the donors in Florida, so there are a lot of very rich, very active donors in Florida. Who support Israel also? Why don't they send their money? I don't understand. Like, if you're a billionaire, why are you pressuring some poor, low IQ, Florida politician to spend taxpayer money on a foreign country when you could just send your own money to a foreign country? I actually think it is sadistic. I think so. I think it's actually symbolic because you're right. A large hedge fund in Miami or Palm Beach. Or I mean, they would be nothing to buy $380 million of his right bonds. They could have leverage. Nothing, it'd be done in one day. But it's the symbolism of the solidarity. And by the way, the Florida State Pension Framework prohibits all foreign government bond purchases with one exception, Israel. So it is serious? Literally prohibited in their investment framework, but you cannot buy the bonds of any country, Luxembourg, Switzerland, the UK, and those actually may be good investments. Israel, in their own words, to stand in solidarity with them after October 7th, we decided to send $385 million. And that's why it's Florida governor. I'm going to divest that full 385 and then start a statewide with that money, a statewide down payment assistance program. Because right now you got young couples across the state who are renting, they're staring down the prospect of the 50-year mortgage. They can't feel like they have any equity in their future. What's the 50-year mortgage? So that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. The solution to the affordability crisis. Is just turn everyone into a renter? Yeah. It's usury. It's just imposing usury on us. Of course I knew the answer to my question, but it's just so grotesque, it's hard to believe that's real. But I think this is the frustration, not with the president, but with a lot of his advisers, is there are real concerns about affordability in my state. And number one is home ownership. Right? If you can't buy a home, can you get married? If you can't get married, can you have kids? If you can't have kids, then what on earth is the point, Tucker? Exactly. Right? And so I think the president instinctively recognizes that we have to solve this problem. But the solution isn't to go from 30 years of debt slavery to 50 years so you can save $100 a month. I mean, my dad and I did the math. And for the average home here in Florida, a 50-year mortgage would mean that if you paid $250,000 to the mortgage servicer, you would own precisely $18,000 of equity in the home. This is literally what was called out biblically. What we were warned against. That's correct. And so we have to be very honest about the system that they're creating. I was kind of skeptical, I think in 15 and 16 when the World Economic Forum trotted out this year's 2030 and you will own nothing. We're rapidly racing toward that today. And people are getting off on it in actually like in a sexual sadistic way. I totally agree. We are I think cucked to the point that we have to bend over. We can't own anything. We can have jobs in our country anymore. And if we ask questions about why we sent $385 million if I stand up as a candidate for governor, I am smeared by the effectively the state media of Israel and called a threat to their country. Well, you are a threat actually because for example, I didn't know that. I didn't know that the state of Florida's pension fund had invested $300 million in Israeli bonds and not the only country that the state's allowed to buy bonds from. And I mean, I didn't know any of that. So just saying that out loud is a massive threat. I think all of this stuff happens because people don't know what's happening and they're kind of lulled like cattle into a trance. Do you think that's right? So the genocide guy is the one who came up with the hate speech law. Now was he a member of Congress then? State, state representatives. State Randy Fyne. Yeah, state house. Have you talked to him? Well, he called me the other day actually. The genocide guy called you? Yeah, the genocide guy called me. He woke me up at like 7 a.m. That's never a good day. He was breathing genocide guy calls and wakes you up. He was breathing rather heavily. He was. And I think he was in a car. I heard some cheesets rumbling around in the back seat. I know that sound talker. I know the difference between a cheese it in a pringle. I did too. I do. But gosh. So he calls me. He says, I hear you're running against Byron. And I say, by the way, Byron Donalds. That would be Byron Donalds, yes. Nope. It goes with many names. We have H1 Byron, A. Pack, Shakur. We can get into that later. But I heard you're running against Byron Donalds. And I said, yeah, I'm thinking about it. I perspective. I'm thinking about it, Congressman. And he said, well, you should know that it's not very nice to Byron. If you did that, I don't care what's nice to Byron Congressman. I'm fighting for my state. My state is getting sold off in pieces by the property developers. True. It's getting sold off. What were once Citrus groves and cattle ranches are now going to be scam altmans next AI data center? That's not what we stand for here in Florida. And for 42 minutes, he proceeds to call me out. And I'm just, I'm brushing my teeth. I am on mute. I just let him talk. But it was very clear. And this is before I had formally announced, but it was publicly talked about that I was seriously considering running. That a sitting member of Congress in Washington, DC at the time was taking 42 minutes out of his day, not to talk to a constituent about one of their needs, but to intimidate me into not challenging Byron Donalds. I think he was trying to intimidate you. I think so. Didn't work. I mean, if you laugh at the murder of children, I, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, right? Wow. Does he have power in the state? Not really. He has power in the sense that he's the only, he was the only Jewish Republican in, in Florida in the state, House state Senate. He of course, then when, when Mike Waltz got a point in to national security advisor and did such a brilliant job there, his seat was vacant and then Randy fine quickly moved into the district and decided to run for Congress after quite literally two months beforehand, being elected to the state Senate after having served in the state house. And that's why I'm proud to support my friend Aaron Baker, who's now running against Randy, fine, primarying him. So, fine, it's not even from the district. No, he's not. He's from Brevard County, down in Melbourne. How did he get the seat? How did he win? A lot of strings and of course, you know, the president came in and endorsed him as well, but a lot of very powerful people pulled strings and it's actually a very deep red district that he only ended up winning by five points, which just shows you how deeply detested he is by the people of Florida's sixth congressional district. Well, yeah, I mean, if members of Congress shouldn't endorse genocide or laugh at the murder of children, no, that's disqualified. Right. Quite literally starved away when there was an image. This is July of 2025, an image of children starving. His answer was starve away, a sitting member. I call the speaker of the house from that happened and I don't get involved in anything really, but I said, I don't know how you can have this guy in the Republican Party. I'm not going to vote for that. I never vote for a party that endorses killing kids. Why would I do that? I'm a human being. But George Santos got some votes. Exactly. And he gets expelled. Let me think about that for a second. Right? Oh, still starve away. That's like, it's everything that we have to be against. That's right. And I think whichever side of that conflict and I think most Americans, they resonate with the words of President Trump as you want the killing to stop. Whether it's a new crush. Russia is real. It doesn't matter. If I was a Jewish Israeli Zionist, I would still feel that way. You can't ever laugh at the death of children. It's nothing to, yeah, that's, it's totally disqualifying. To the point where he was literally disavowed by APEC. Yeah. Literally disavowed by APEC of all groups. Speaking of which, Mary Madelec and has already announced that she's funding a war chest against me. Till that to end. What? And what news last month against you? Against me called me out by name. They did the meme talker. We're literally monitoring the situation is what was said and Miss Adelson will be raising a war chest against Mr. Fishback. Miriam Adelson is spending against you. Yes. And she's backing. Byron. Byron. And that's what you call APEC Shakur among other reasons. It's the second, the second part of it for other reasons. I wouldn't call, I wouldn't call Randy APEC Shakur. That is just too funny. You don't need to be an economist to see what's happening. The dollar is in trouble. 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Spreaker, because if you're going to talk to yourself for an hour, you might as well publish it. How is he responded to Apex Shakur? Well his campaign called me racist, not for that comment, because I called him a slave to his donors. And I said, with all due respect, I'll stop calling you a slave if you give the money back. The $45 million you gave to your donor, that your donors gave you. $45 million. $45 million in a primer that was uncontested until five weeks ago. No way. $45 million. In an uncontested primary until five weeks ago until I entered. And that was all to encourage him to make Florida better? Apparently. And his idea of making Florida better, in his own words, he wants to quote, speed up the construction of AI data centers. His words. He said in a private meeting with donors, I have a friend of mine who was there. And he said, what do you think about Fishback's proposal to ban Blackstone from buying single family homes and forcing us to rent as opposed to own? And what Byron told the donor in that meeting is that Blackstone bailed the economy. They saved us in the financial crisis. They deserve to be able to buy those homes. That's capitalism. That was his response. And I say, look, the goal here is we need to look out for our own people when a family of four is getting out bid by 1,500 bucks by a private equity firm that's taken Chinese money at the capital gains rate as opposed to the rate that you and I pay and everyone else pays. Half they pay half the tax we pay. Carried interest. Twenty percent. And he thinks that because of what Blackstone did, which they didn't actually do, what Blackstone allegedly did in 2008 gives them cover to run rough shot over all of us and to take homes from under our feet. And this is not a hypothetical thing. This is happening right now. Byron said that. Byron said that to a donor. Because what I have said, executive order number three, is that I would ban Blackstone, any private equity firm, any Airbnb speculator, and any foreign national from buying a single family home in this state of Florida. You don't get to have a right to our homes. If you were I were to go to Canada right now and buy a single family home, we would legally be prohibited from doing so. Because they would say, would you want about Trudeau or Carney? I guess they got the memo that Canada is for Canadians. America's for Americans. And I don't think it's okay that a Chinese national or Russian national or an Israeli national can come here and out bid a family that's known in this state for two, three generations. And say, you know what? That home that you wanted to buy to get married to your wife and to have three kids? That's not available anymore because a foreign national wants to vacation here for five weeks out of the year. Man, you're spinning me up. Getting mad, just hearing this. What kind of reaction do you get when you say that? Very positive. I'll tell you what I mean. Yeah, I bet you do. Well, I get a very positive reaction because I think, and you've pointed this out, I would love to speech it am fast because you recognized that America first is not owned exclusively by any party. Of course not. In fact, if you went out and pulled that very question, that framework that you put out, which is the American government should exclusively look out for the interests of its citizens, 90% of not just Republicans, literally everyone would agree with that state. Yes. And so what I was amazed by is we had a meet and greet in Tampa Bay this past weekend. We had 50 or so people RSVP over 200 showed up and a dozen on their way out said, I wasn't even a Republican. I'm an independent. I'm a Democrat. I am changing my party affiliation so I can vote for you in the primary because just like South Carolina, I had Paul on recently, just like South Carolina, Florida is a red state. The next governor, mathematically, will be a Republican Trump won the state by 13, Ron DeSantis by 19. The next governor is going to be a Republican. The question is what kind of Republican Tucker? Yeah, I mean, if it's the Republican who laughs at dead children, I'm not voting Republican. I'm not going to ever vote for anyone like that, anyone who's pro-death, who's against human dignity for hate speech laws, who doesn't think that providing the next generation a chance to get married and have kids and on a home, if you're not on board with that, then I have nothing in common with you. Yeah. I don't care what you call yourself. That's right. I think this idea of the party labels has become a hall of mirrors. That's for sure, right? What you see isn't what you get. By the way, Byron Donnells, as of right now, still endorses Randy Finds re-election bid despite that starboard on. And they tried to cancel you for having a conversation with a certain someone. He's literally endorsing a member of Congress who told innocent children who were literally starving on video to starve away. That tells you everything you need to know about my opponent byron Donnells. I know Byron and I've always gotten along with him. He's super cheerful. I didn't realize. Is he ideological? I've never detected that. No. That's why I call him a slave. Yeah. What did, and they called you a racist for that? They did. Which is actually quite interesting because I got a call from the foundational black American society here in Florida who reminded me that Byron's mother is Jamaican. He is Panamanian and they found it quite insulting in their words that he would try to claim victimhood of slavery. It's not a single descendant of American slaves in his family. I like those foundational guys. They're so good. They're so good. I mean, I don't agree with everything, but like I, they've got a perspective. If your family's been here 400 years and the descendants of a lot of American slaves or families have been here 400 years, I don't know. I think that gives all listen to you. You've got a point of view that is legitimate, I think. Yeah. And they're unequivocally heritage Americans. That's for sure. Definitely heritage Americans, if anyone is, and someone rolls in from Ghana and gets an MSNBC slot and starts telling, you're speaking on behalf of black people, it's like, shut up, honey. You've got nothing to do with this. That's a fair perspective, I think. And so it's good to actually see them call them out for that. That's actually cultural appropriation. A appropriation struggle of slavery. I totally agree. And the struggle of slavery was real. I mean, I don't think Republicans ever want to really whitewash. That is real. Right? But for buyers. We're against it. Whether it's in the West Bank or here or anywhere. Yeah, I guess so. And so for Byron's group, his team to call me and essentially our entire supporting base racists for saying that you're a slave when quite literally you took 45 million dollars, you won't tell us what you agreed to to take that money this early in a primary, which is unprecedented. You know this. How unprecedented that kind of money isn't an uncedested primary until now. But secondarily, to actually go out and try to gaslight us and think that you're just one of those guys that has been here, you know, since the early 1800s and your family was in the struggle too, you're not. And that's a very interesting term that the foundational black Americans use. It's called tether. They're tethering these tethers like Byron Donalds. They come here literally one generation in. And they try to just sit around and act so folksy that we're all part of the same struggle and we're all down on our and we need to fight against. No, you just got here, dude. Like the Haitians, like the guys from Ghana who just got here, you don't get to just be a part of our system and then lecture us about how our country went wrong. Well, and if you're a Republican, supposedly conservative Republican to throw around the term racist, I mean, that's what I personally, I'll speak for myself. I voted against that in November last year. Right. And if that style of non-argument just dismiss someone off the top, you're a bad person. I don't have to respond to your specific charge against me. I'm too old for that. Yeah. I thought we were, aren't we opposed to that identity politics? 100%. And I'll tell you, the identity politics of the right is probably the greatest it's ever been, but it's actually codified into law, which is scary as well. Notice that. Right. You know, say what you want. Left wing identity politics never criminalized being a racist to a black person. In that sense, like there was never a hate speech law against, which would have been unjust, to call out a black person or a black culture or anything. Right. I think that's deplorable to single out any, I think as a Christian, I would, of course, condemn now, of course. But it's interesting that there's only a hate speech law for one particular foreign nation as opposed to anything. I'm against them entirely because they're blatantly unconstitutional. They violate the first. Of course. But it's interesting that right wing identity politics has gotten to this point where anti-Semitic is just determined. I mean, I got a call from the Sun sent a editorial board. They were interviewing me the other day and they said, it's just fascinating. This is the paper of record in South Florida, my childhood paper in Fort Lauderdale. And they asked me, why did you put out an anti-Semitic proposal to divest the $385 million? So how is it anti-Semitic to bring back money, our money that was foolishly sent over? To not buy sovereign bonds? Like what? Which actually have a subpar return given the geopolitical risk premium on offer in Israel right now if we're going to be completely honest, right? They actually said that to you. They actually said that. And I just challenged the entire bonds. Buy our bonds or you're a Nazi. Buy our bonds or you're a Nazi. And by the way, think about this Tucker. It's just so bonkers I can't. What's actually anti-Semitic? Because this $385 million statewide down payment assistance program, this would of course go to any Florida resident who is young and married. So the ironic thing is that actually opposing it, if anything, would be anti-Semitic because they're going to be young Jewish couples who are ready to buy a home, start a family, and live out the American dream here in the sunshine state. And so it's amazing that we've gotten to this point of debate in discourse in America, where the ad hominem attack precludes the debate from even happening. Look, you want to have an honest earnest debate about buying Israeli bonds? Fine. I welcome that debate. This is here in Call American Citizens Anti-Semitic for opposing a third of a billion dollars being shipped overseas to fund some stupid war. I totally agree. And it is kind of crazy if you think about it, I've got nothing against Miriam Adelson personally, I know her. But I mean, she's in Israeli. And Donald Trump said in his remarks on television in the Kinesa to her, you care about his room or the United States, which is her right. How was she a huge player in my country, not her country, my country's politics? How was that allowed? There was some Chinese guy and he was pretty open about caring a lot more about the CCP than he cares about the United States. It would not be cool to take money from him. And that person would not be allowed to get on TV and be like, I don't like what you're saying about my actual country. Therefore, I'm going to drown you in gambling money from China. Yeah. From a cow. Yeah. What's going on? Why do we think this is normal? Talk about foreign interference in our elections. But it's a two tiered system of foreign interference because remember Jack Moth, Molly Bobbi. Very well. Right? He mentioned Jack Moth was running around telling NBC News he was going to fund political candidates. Well, exactly. How outraged. He would literally get investigated by the DOJ on some made up money laundering. A genre, that is right. Move some comma the wrong way and it's suddenly wire fraud into the commerce clause. Right? But think about it. Can you imagine how repulse we would all rightly be if Jack Ma or some Ukrainian or Russian oligarch was openly flagrantly being involved in US politics? That's totally bonkers. So when you call his biren, take him money from APEC? Yes. So that's why APEC sugar. Yes. I'm only factual with these things. Because it's funny. Did that go over well? It went over very well. It went over very well. And people like it. I think people want, I don't try to take myself too seriously. And I think we're not allowed to. We're not allowed to. Gen Z was such an important part of the president's victory last year. Yes. And they feel betrayed by a lot of these Trump advisors and what they've chosen to prioritize and not. I can see why. And when I've met them and I've met them where they are at their universities, whether it's UF a couple weeks ago, albeit FSU and just a couple weeks from now. Their number one frustration is that, look, they don't want to be lectured anymore. They got a degree. They got good grades. They got good test scores. They didn't study gender studies or black intersectionality. They did the STEM thing that Republicans told them to do. Yeah, learn to code. Learn to code. And now they say, you know what? Amazon, Google, FedEx, no, no, those jobs aren't available for you. You pesky Americans. You want paid time off. You want to go to church on Sunday. You're going to give those jobs to an entire new class of foreign surfs known as the Indians and the Chinese. And we're not going to even interview you for those positions. They don't even pretend that the Chinese or the Indians are smarter. They're not. They don't speak our language. They have no skin in their game. They're not smarter. They're not at all. Oh, I know. And so the issue then becomes, do we actually have a labor market that is utterly rigged against American citizens? The answer is yes. And you know that by virtue of the H1B program, these tech companies, it's not as if they've stopped hiring generally. They've stopped hiring Americans because they can bring in all this cheap foreign labor. My belief is that a market-based wage is always going to attract the best labor. 100%. That's the promise of the market, right? It is. And you know, someone like Ben Shapiro to come out at AMFestin, one of the side panels, and he said, I want white men to stop complaining and get off the couch because there are jobs that are available. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, here's the truth, Ben. And you say that. You say the Americans won't work these jobs. No Ben Shapiro. They won't work these jobs at the slave submarket wages that you are offering them. You offer someone here in my state an honest wage for an honest day's work. They'll take that every single time and they'll show up, but they'll take off on Sunday to praise our Christian Lord. It's funny to see, I never mentioned Ben Shapiro because I don't think about him very often, but on those moments where you see what somebody really thinks, if you talk long enough, you reveal what you really think. It's always been my view. Ben Shapiro's total disdain and loathing for white Christian men is every bit as real. Every bit is bristling with hostility as any kind of college democratic socialists of America leftist. Yes. It's exactly the same. It's just like he just hates them. It is. Why? It's probably because, I mean, there's a lot of reasons, but I think that entire class of people doesn't have a real solution and in fact has profited on the demise of all of this. And it's not just young white men. It's young black women, literally studied engineering and said, you know what? I want to go get a job working on this bridge. Know that job? That's not available for you anymore. That job was given to an Indian. But it's actually effectively DEI for Indians in the name of capitalism. I've noticed it. Right? And I think this is a part of a bigger debate that's happening within the party. They call it a civil war. I call it a genuine good spirited debate is if we are saying that we're principled conservatives, then it begs the question from where do we draw these principles? Exactly. Is it from the American Enterprise Institute? Is it from Ron and McDaniel's handbook on conservative principles? Or is it from our Christian Bible? Is it from our Constitution or Declaration of Independence, the Federalist papers? And I think this idea of the free market, I think the free market is a great place to get to the destination. But the destination is not a free market. Tucker, we don't get to say here and say, well, our people are suffering and they're unemployed and they're addicted to fentanyl and they can't have kids and they can't own a home and there's 50 years of usury. But you know what? We got a free market and we have the freest market in the world. We have the freest market in the world. No. The free market, Tucker, there'd be a slave auction happening outside right now. There's supply, there's demand, there's an equilibrium. My view in the America First Movement is our North Star should not be a free market but a free people. And when I say free people, I mean American citizens. I don't mean the H1Bs. I don't mean the Haitians on TPS and I sure is hack. I sure is hack. Don't mean any corporation that wants to come here and plan a flag and say that our goal is to boost profit margins and stock price. And all of a sudden, all that matters is not whether you can raise a family or buy a home but the GDP beat expectations on your Bloomberg terminal. Exactly right. That's exactly right. How did you... Can I say something? Because I know to the extent this will be seen and criticized, I'm sure that people will say, but this guy was in a sex scandal and you didn't mention it. I just, what, I'm not asking you to respond to this. I just want to tell you my reasoning on it. So the second you were deemed threat, they sent people out and tried to call you a sex criminal. You've not been charged any sex crime that I know of and if you're a sex criminal, I hope you go to jail and if you're not, I hope they stop saying it. But a lot of people are pushing that. Have no basis. I just don't want to attack anyone in particular but it's pretty unbelievable that some of the people pushing that would accuse somebody else of having an unorthodox sex life. I think it's shocking actually, given what I know. So I hope they'll stop doing that because they have no basis for doing that and that's why I'm not bringing it up. I just want to say that. Well, thank you Tucker. Sorry, it makes me mad. Well, that level of hypocrisy is too much. That's Pharisee level hypocrisy. You can't have that. It is. And, you know, the truth is is that unlike a certain someone who deleted social media recently because he couldn't take the heat, I recognize that my entire life is going to be blown open that there is a guy who's taking pictures of me outside of my house the other day. People taking videos of me and it's going to happen and I welcome it. I welcome that. I'm going to run the third largest state. You're going to control the life of effectively 2, 23 and a half million people here in Florida. You should have to be an open book. But on that particular point, if you'll allow me just to address it. Of course. Nowadays false accusations against men are all too common. Yeah. Those accusations were brought for a judge in Florida's second judicial circuit and after two lengthy hearings, I was fully exonerated. So don't take my word for it. There was seven hours of hearing time, evidence, all of that. And a judge said, you know what? Not credible. No evidence to support it. Mr. Fishback, I apologize effectively and you're exonerated. And so I think the silver lining to this particular attack against me is that it's already gone through due process. And the fact that it's coming out now, I think, shows that our campaign, our vision is a real threat to the deep establishment interests that have hijacked our state. But if all things to hit you on, but those people, it's a... You know, that enraged me. If you're going to accuse someone else of having a weird sex life, you better have a pretty normal sex life. And if you don't, you shouldn't do that. That's really too much hypocrisy for me. So the other attack that I have seen against you is that your views have changed. Yeah. And the response I have seen for me was, oh yeah, they have. So which is a great response, I think. My views have changed completely. So I'm with you. Yeah. So what are your views and why your views change? Well, I would start on this issue of the economy first and foremost because I dropped out of college in 2015 to start a hedge fund. And I did that for five years. Really? Yeah. Good trade. So I was a macro trader, which meant that I was always fascinating with geopolitics. I was a high school debate kid for four years. It changed my life. I had a stutter. I wasn't as confident speaking publicly. And it turns out going to a high school debate tournament every other weekend for four years will turn that around pretty quickly. Yes. First tournament, by the way, was that Marjorie Stumman Douglas High School in Parkland in 2009, where we actually debated an assault weapons ban. An assault weapons ban. That's all for you. That's all for you. But yeah, Grooming Broward County and my career has been as an investor, looking at the world as a macro investor saying, how is the Fed going to screw this up next? Right? Looking at what happened with COVID, the supply chain lockdowns, the massive fiscal transfers, the stimulus that was going into the economy oftentimes to the lowest income folks, which had the highest propensity to spend that was clearly going to cause inflation alongside the money printing from the Fed upwards of $5 trillion. And so those types of trades that I put on as an investor. And so I really viewed a lot of this world from quite literally the purchase of a Bloomberg terminal. So when I was saying, looking at GDP expectations on a Bloomberg, that was me for 10 years. I spent a lot more time on the ground. I started a nonprofit called Inky Bay debate to offer free high school debate leagues all across my state from Pensacola to Miami. And when I really got to travel, these hollowed out places that were once teaming with life, booming with industry, I saw how detached that world was from this Bloomberg terminal, where I had seen GDP and inflation and consumer spending and said, you know, I respect President Trump. But when I hear about another trillion dollars coming in from Nvidia, I guess the obvious question is, how does that help a single dad who lost his job five years ago and hasn't been able to get back on his feet? What are we optimizing for? Is the goal GDP or is the goal as I think my friend Nathan Hobelstad from Newfounding says, is the goal, I think the ultimate economic statistic these days, which is what percentage of 30 year old men own their home and are married? If you think about your entire economic policy framework around that question, and I do, right? And so if the question is, will we build this AI data center? I don't know. Does it help 30 year old men get married or buy their home? The answer would obviously be no because it employs 50 people who are all foreign laborers for the most part. That doesn't help. But if we're going to revitalize citrus here in Florida, if we're going to actually build out local businesses and help people get on their feet and create local, great paying jobs and NVH1B scam and ban blackstone, if we focus on those economic policies with the end goal, being 30 year old men are more likely on the margin to buy a home and get married as a result of this policy, then sign me up. And so my distortion was, look, I spent much of my 20s going to events by the Brookings Institution and AI and Heritage and learning about the economy through that vantage point. And so guilty is charged. I think my views really, I voted for Trump proudly in 2016. I've always been a Republican for whatever that's worth quite literally since high school and I registered to vote in junior high school. Didn't vote junior high school. I don't want anyone to think I'm committing voter fraud. But you're not the only one. But my views, I think, if I were to give one reason, I think X, everyone talks about X, but I won't talk about it in a very specific way to my life, I think it's hard to watch something and get really red-pilled or nationalist-pilled. I think you have to have a steady stream of objective factual information. Yeah. For me and my grandma, that was your monologues in 2020, quite literally, and we bonded over those. For me the last year, so it's been following AF Post, this ex account that just puts out 30, 40 posts a day, kind of punchy kind of funny, but really factually grounded news about what's happening, whether it's a company announcing H1B hires, and they editorialize in the sense that if Amazon announces that they're laying off 30,000 people, they won't just print that headline like the Wall Street Journal editorial board will, those globalist shills, they will print that headline but also contextualize it by saying that Amazon also just brought on 10,000 H1Bs. So they have no issue firing hour people, but they will bring on foreign labor and not apologize for it. And so when accounts like AF Post actually give us the full context around something which the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal would never do, I really appreciate that. I think for me on the issue, which I get the biggest pushback on is Israel, right? How you wrote for Barry Weiss, you wrote for the Free Press, I wrote an article about high school debate going woke in 2023, which I'm really proud of. It was the basis for my nonprofit really growing to the next level because there were quite literally high school debate tournaments that were taxpayer funded here in Florida. They're totally young black girl before a speech about President Biden's foreign policy track record that if she mentioned Donald Trump's name, she would be disqualified in a public school. We had one judge in writing, saying in writing Tucker, I am a Marxist-lenonist Maoist. And if you criticize any of the following subjects, you are automatically disqualified. One judge wants the far as to say, again, in writing, not hearsay, literally in writing. They felt comfortable writing that, yeah. Which tells you everything about the world of high school debate in academia. But it's really personal to me because high school debate changed my life and it always was a marketplace of ideas until this guy named Trump came down the escalator. One judge said, if we're debating immigration and you refer to them as illegal, I will end the debate, give you the loss and lecture you, lecture you because I will not have you making the debate space unsafe. And so, you know, I called emailed, called, called a Barry Weiss because I knew the free press was kind of in this business of publishing edgy pieces about how institutions had been hijacked and this was in 2023. And I said, I had this crazy story. I'm a former high school debate champion. I have this crazy story about how high school debate has gone woken. My solution to it, which is my nonprofit and she published it and went bonkers. And so I think people are looking at that and saying, well, you were aligned with Barry Weiss. And I think to their credit to that thing, I did put out a post when her book came out of an anti-semitism because after October 7th, I think like a lot of people, I saw what was happening on college campuses and said, that's wrong. Not because it was exclusively focused on Jewish students, but any black lesbian with red hair running into a math class saying like free Palestine, white men need to apologize for the allegesons of their ancestors. That's wrong. I guess I was led to believe that that was all part of this anti-semitism thing. I called it out thinking it was anti-semitism, but really it was anti-Americanism. It was anti-Christianism. Well, that's for sure. And my views on Israel changed for two reasons. I was invited on one of these paid trips to Israel as a young business professional. And I very quickly found out what it was. It was a propaganda trip and what I was told that I couldn't go certain places on my own or had to follow a very simple script when I left about what I would be. I had to clear my experiences to share them online. Yeah. And I said, I'm not doing that. I'm happy to go to a foreign country, but I'm not doing it on your dime and have to pair it out some script that was approved by APEC. That was the first straw where I kind of became a little bit more skeptical. But there was this young man named Muhammad Ibrahim. He's a 16-year-old kid from right here in Florida. And he went to visit family in the West Bank last February. And he was accused without any evidence of throwing a rock at an IDF vehicle. Didn't hurt anybody, but he was accused of it. So as a result of that accusation, he was put in an Israeli military prison without any due process, no trial. For eight months, he lost 27 pounds and contracted scabies. And I committed the Capitol crime. Wait, wait. Is he an American citizen? Yes. How can a proxy state be? That we pay for? Impresent an American citizen without due process for eight months? That's a great question. And to the folks on the other side, I would say, I'm going to hold this rule to the same standard you want me to hold this rule to. That you say that the only democracy in the Middle East, while democracies are underpinned by a basic adherence to the rule of law. And you don't get to take anyone, but least of all, our citizens who are teenagers and imprison them for eight months. And then Randy Fahin, that was half of the point of his call, was to call me anti-Semitic. He said, well, you didn't tweet about the hostages enough. And I said, Randy, what would have been the correct number of tweets on the hostages that have given me license to talk about this young American citizen? But because he's a Muslim, because he's a Muslim to them, he is a second class citizen. I said, look, I don't care what he is. He's an American citizen. He grew up two and a half hours from where I did. I went and met with the family. And I put out a video that I actually texted the president directly. And I said, we have to do something about this. Yeah. One of the principles I'll never give up is you shouldn't be allowed to come here and import your disgusting little ethnic conflicts into my country and make them the focus of my foreign policy. And I would say that to any immigrant, Cuba, Venezuela, Israel doesn't matter. You may have had a thousand year war with some other tribe, but that's not our problem. And we don't do that here. And I think the Muslim hate Muslim, you know. That's what we think we think we think that's about. Exactly. And my dad showed me a video while we were on the way over here of a black pastor who I think rightly focused on the one nation under God and our pledge of allegiance. Yeah. And you think about that for a moment. If you come here and to truly pledge your allegiance to our flag, it means you are committing to the one singular nation. Of course. You have to import a generational multigenerational feud between different nations. So when you come here, whether you're Jewish, it doesn't matter. And you say and you stand for that pledge. And it's sad that we don't do that in our schools anymore. I'll change that as governor as well. That it is a basic precondition that if you go to a public school, that you do a test that we are one nation under God. That's not really debatable. And so I think it's important because if you've got different the Haitians and the Dominicans hate each other for some reason, there's a feud going on with different Muslim groups and this and all of that. And I say, look, if you're going to come here at a minimum, you have to commit to the whole one nation thing. Yes. And an absolute minimum. And I can't think of a better way. And maybe that's why there's this insistence, this reluctance. They're so loath to actually stand for our pledge. I always thought of it Tucker as they were trying to be righteous and it was kind of like their version of bending the knee, right? It's they actually don't believe in what the pledge is at all. It's not like, well, we don't want to be compelled into something or we don't believe in showinism or whatever. It is quite literally they don't adhere to what the pledge represents. Principally, one nation, one, and I don't care what that nation you came from is. When you come here and you stand for that pledge, you must adhere to that principle. Whether that nation you left was a realist. You don't get to serve in a foreign military. You don't get to have dual citizenship. You don't get to advocate for another country's interests over ours. These are not crazy ideas. These are like any nation would enforce those ideas, right? 100%. 100%. And just go to South America. Imagine, you know, my mom's from Columbia and I spent summers going there. I don't of course consider myself Columbia and I'm a proud American. My mom is as well. But can you like going to a Colombian, just even something as innocuous as a football, but a soccer game. Can you imagine going to a Colombian soccer game and not standing for the national anthem? And like whether you disagree with what would happen to the men's room, right? Right. With some Supreme Court decision or whether you had a different view of a board or whatever, to not stand for our national anthem to affirm the very ideals that set this country into motion is to hold the most vile form of contempt for this nation and her people. Exactly. Damn, I can see where they hate you. Um, so can you win? Part of my ignorance. I mean, I just, I, Florida politics is so corrupt that I just try and stay far away from it. But what do you think? I think so. I really do. So I think I probably shouldn't share inside baseball, but let me, let me do that. I think what has to happen very simply is I'm not going to outraise him. I'm not going to outspend him. But you know what? I heard a trump to Kamala and I heard a trump to Hillary. No, true. And so I think this is going to ultimately we're in an attention economy and the attention is going to go to the person who can connect and show up and earn the trust of voters. You don't get to earn the trust of voters in that Fox News studio in Washington, DC. Oh, no. Aaron Donnells is in DC four days out of a week. This is my state. I live here. My dad grew up here. My grandfather taught here my great grandfather ran a hotel on Fort Lauderdale Beach here. This is my home and I'm not going to let it be stolen from anyone least of all Byron Donnells and his donors. And so what I've already announced Tucker is that over the next three months, I'm going to visit all 67 counties in just five weeks. I've visited 12 others at every single state college and proud to break the news here. I'm doing a statewide waffle house tour. This is the staple of Florida. I'm going to every single waffle house to meet voters where they are. They deserve to see a governor hands on to ask him questions. Heck, if they want to yell at me, debate with me. That's fine. I am never, never going to shy away from the people that I'm asking to hire me fat. I just get the bacon. I get a bacon and large coke. Good call. Good call. I remember Jeb Bush when he ran in 2016. I traveled him for a while. He was going no carb and he lost at the end. Of course, I think South Carolina and we were in a diner together in South Carolina. He, whatever, his many faults, he could be kind of funny. He's like, no, I'm getting the blueberry pancakes. I don't care. It's over. Just do it. You know, excuse me. So you think your money is going to come from where? Small dollar donors. Yeah, you're going to need it because you have instead a single thing that is going to attract Ken Griff into your campaign. Fair. I think so. Yeah. I think that I'm always meeting, open to meeting with donors, but it's on the basic precondition that you are donating to the campaign that already exists. There's no influence on the campaign whatsoever. And I would invite people to hold my feet to the fire on that one. I think the biggest thing though is if you just look at what the turning point has been for Florida politics. We had an ad commissioner here in 2018 named Adam Putnam. He was the establishment, darling. A very good guy. Yeah. His family's been here for a very, very long time, well respected family here in Florida. And then Scott named Ron to Sanctus comes on the scene. And there's a lot of twist and turns, but that election in 2018 was really decided by the Fox News primary debate in the summer of 2018, where it was Ron and Adam on stage for an hour and a half unfiltered. No handlers, no donors, just two and a half million voters watching at home. I think if you put me on that debate stage and I'll be in this race all the way to the end. When we get to that debate stage, I will end Byron Donald's career. And I will show that my vision for my state that I've known for four generations. Our family has known is the right vision. I view this as a fork in the road. Do you want old Florida or do you want new Florida? If you want AI data centers, if you want what Byron Donald says, which is he wants to make Florida the financial capital of the world. If you want that, that's the new Florida vision. But if you like our state, just the way she is, if you want to go back to the way things were 10, 15 years ago, cattle, citrus, space, ag. If you want to end the overdevelopment that has destroyed our communities, pull back the sprawl, I'm running for governor. And I'd be honored to have your vote. You really think he's going to debate you? I think he has to. Really? I think he has to. What about this? So there's a lieutenant governor. I didn't even know he existed until I saw a clip from him that was so over the top. His name is Jake Collins, I think. It was so shocking that I sent it to someone who works here and say, is this AI? This can't be real. And he was basically saying, you don't have the right to criticize Israel. Yeah. Free speech does not exist in the United States. Was that real? It was real. Who is that guy? He's the newly appointed lieutenant governor. He's been on the job for about four and a half months. Am I mistating what he said? No. He quite literally started off by saying, you do not have a right to hurt people with your words. Which is almost like a true or false question. Fifth grade civics about the first amendment. Well, it's also like the most left wing thing you could ever say. It's like the NPCs, the people, I spent my entire 15 years at Fox railing against these sensitive people who want to claim that words are violence, stochastic violence or whatever. I mean, this was like a, that's the whole ideology of the left. I can't believe this guy's a, he's real. Republican. So called. He is what they call the transgender Republicans. They identify as such. But they're not really. And when someone actually goes out there and says, you don't have a right to hurt people with your words. I mean, Timmy, Timmy, true or false. Does the first amendment give you a right to hurt people with, if you failed that in fifth grade civics, they would hold you back a year as governor. I would hold anybody back who failed that question. You know, it was funny. He put out a comment about Venezuela and Maduro. He was very critical of Maduro's. I think a lot of people should be for what he's done to the country. But I, I responded. And I think proudly ratioed him, I said, with all due respect, Lieutenant Governor Collins, I'm formally filing a complaint with the office of hate crime speech for insulting Maduro with your harmful words. Right? And that's what it's come to. And so when you ask yourself, what, what vision for the Republican party do we want? I actually think everyone's talking about 2028, 2026 here in Florida. We are the formidable Republicans. I agree with that. I agree with that. This is going to be the proxy for what the party looks like. And I don't know what the party's going to look like in 28. But if you've got me on the ballot, Byron Donald's on the ballot, Jay Collins, I don't know what he's going to do. Okay, so Lieutenant Governor hasn't decided what he wants to do. He's still checking with his wife, apparently. Okay. Literally that's what he said. He just keeps checking with his wife. Actually, yeah. And so this is a guy, don't go on a big tangent, but this is a guy who actually reached out to my own uncle, like my actual uncle, like my, my dad's over there, my father's brother, and tried to convince him to get me to drop out. And so my uncle was calling me all of a sudden on a Saturday. He hasn't spoken to me in a while for an hour and a half on the phone saying, Jay Collins, this Jay Collins, that it's weird, but the governor, our governor, Rhonda Santis is not endorsing Jay Collins. He's certainly not endorsing Byron Donald's. And this is a wide open race as far as I'm concerned, made the best person win. And the best person Tucker is not the person who looks best on Fox. Although I don't think Byron looks all that good on Fox. You're not getting invited on Fox. I'm just telling you that right now. Sorry, they're not having you. Well, thank you for having me here today. Of course. No, I worked there. I'm not inviting you on Fox. But I think if you look at, and I'm on the way over here, we stopped at Chipotle. We call it Chipotle on our family because we like to be funny. That's the spirit. We say we go to Chipotle and we say, can I have the polo bowl with the fajidas? But I was in Chipotle and a young man by the name of Aiden. He's 22 years old. He works for Charlotte County in the maintenance division. And he comes up to me, says, are you James Fishback? And I said, yeah, I have never voted in any election, not even in a primary. You have my vote. I'm switching over to the Republican Party to vote for you on August 18th. I think in it, I don't want to take credit for art vision. It's a vision that's been honestly, I've watched a lot of your stuff, read a lot of what's happened in this space. It's one that I believe in. I believe it's the only way forward for my state. And I think there's a real hunger because with whatever you want to say about Byron Donald and establishment money, even the polls that have come out about him, they still show 54% roughly of the electorate still undecided. And this is a guy who's been in the race now for 11 months, who's got $45 million, who's on Fox News three times a week, regurged sitting the same GOP slop. And he still has half of the electorate undecided about whether to vote for him. So I'm in this race because I think my state needs someone to step up and I want to earn people's support in being able to do. When is the primary? August 18th. It's a close primary. So the cool thing about this is you got until July 20th, if you're an independent, you used to be a Republican. If you're one of the Dixie Democrats, we've got all over the state who may have voted Republican recently, but hasn't changed their party affiliation. You can do that online for free at the Florida DMV website. Just Google change voter registration in Florida takes you five minutes. That now gives you the ability to show up on August 18th because you know this Tucker. This is a red state through and through. We haven't had a Democrat governor in 30 years. We may never have one again. And so the election, if you wait till November, you're literally allowing the system to disenfranchise you. That's totally right. If I think if we lived in New York City, we probably would be registered Democrats because you otherwise would not have even voted. I did DC for my whole life. I was always registered Democrats. I wanted to vote for the least crazy Democrat in the primary because I live there. It mattered to me. And so my pitch to a public school teacher is we may not agree on everything, but if you want someone who's going to fight for the dignity of American citizens, someone who's going to make your job easier as a teacher. When we have 1.4 million illegals in our state, many of whom, all of whom, have children enrolled in our public schools, met with a teacher a couple of weeks ago in Southwest Florida not too far from here. And she broke down crying because her ninth grade class had 20 students, seven of whom did not speak English. They're illegals. And so executive order number four is to remove all illegal immigrant children from our school. Someone asked me recently, isn't that cruel? And I said, no, ma'am, what's cruel is to force American citizens to dilute their education to take attention away from a teacher who has the second lowest teacher pay on average in any part of the country and say, you have to teach half your class in English and the other half in broken, Creole or Spanish for people who just got here. That's what's cruel. It is cruel. That is what is vile. And actually it's weird because the Supreme Court in 1982 found in Plylor Vido, rather disastrously, that illegal immigrant children actually have a 14th amendment constitutional right to attend public school. And so I would proudly, as Mississippi did, challenge Roe v Wade. I would proudly as governor pass an executive order to challenge that decision. And I know we would win in the Supreme Court whether it be five, four or six, three, would depend on how she's feeling that day though. James Fishback. That was great. That was great. And Godspeed. Thank you. Thanks.