Hoosier Head Coach Curt Cignetti Joins, Strategy in the Swamp, Non-Conference Schedule Debate

Hey man, where's that national title right now? Where's that trophy sitting? It's sitting about five feet in front of me here. I'll make sure they get them out of here as quick as possible. I don't want to look at them too long and get soft. The Triple Option is presented by Wendy's. Get yourself a $4 Biggie Bite, $6 Biggie Bag, or an $8 Biggie Bundle now at Wendy's. Another edition of the Triple Option presented by Wendy's. Coming your way, Urban Meyer, Mark Ingram II, Rob Stone here with you as always. Thanks for putting us in your ears and your eyeballs. We appreciate you being a part of the Triple Option family. Remember to rate, subscribe, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts, as well as across social media, 3X Option Show. You like that, huh, Mark? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mix it up. Sure, sure. Sure, sure. Go with that, Stone. New episodes coming your way on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts. Later on in the show, how about this for guests, guys? Indiana head coach, national champion, Kurt Sagnetti is going to join the triple option. That's going to be a fun conversation. I can't wait to catch up. Can't wait to catch up with him. I'm very curious to see what he's wearing as well. I feel like all I've been seeing from him lately is that red three-quarter zip short sleeve thing. It's kind of different. It's not the normal look you would expect from a head coach, but it's working for Kurt. All right. Time now for any given Saturday. A multitude of coaching changes in this offseason cycle, including where you once coached, Urban, in Gainesville at the University of Florida. Their new head coach, John Sumrall. I know you've spent a lot of time with him. You're very high on him. He comes in from Tulane into Gainesville, and he's made an impression already, imitating a previous national championship winning head coach. Gee, who could that be? Let's let Coach Summerall explain. We didn't earn a damn thing. Like, all we've got is our name. We're going to put our freaking name on every day. So to wear the Florida Gator logo, to wear the Gators across your helmet and script, or to wear the Gator head, man, you've got to earn that. Sounds familiar, Coach. Love it. I agree with it. And I did it a couple stops. Bowling Green, I did it, but we didn't have gear. We didn't have enough money to buy gear. Utah, we did it to a degree. What did you withhold from them at Bowling Green? Oh, man, that's been 150 years ago. So I'm a firm believer you have to earn it. And once you earn it, you really get rewarded. That's the way I was brought up, and that's what I believe in. And also, Mark, I grew up in a world military family, and I studied special ops, Army Ranger, Navy SEAL, Green Beret, and I just believe that's how we ran our program. And when I went to Florida, they had a tough season. Not that bad, but let me start with this. Whenever you take over something, you can't cookie-cutter it. You've got to say, okay, I took over Bowling Green. I had to blow that up. It was bad. It was 2-9 or 1-10 something and just a lot of stuff, a lot of bad grades and drugs. And so we had to, I mean, torpedo that thing and start over. And we did. And then you went to Utah. It wasn't that bad. You know, Florida wasn't that bad. And actually Ohio State taking over for a guy like Jim Trestle, we didn't change much at all. He just kind of spray bottled a little bit and cleaned it up. But down in Florida, we took everything away, and I wanted to prove a point. The expectations are a national championship caliber team. That's what Steve Spurrier did. And if you're not doing that, you're going to hear it. And I expect that out of the staff. I expect it out of the players. And we took, they weren't allowed to wear Florida gear. And you earned it back. So I was never a believer. For example, there was a time where coaches would get a raise as a staff. I took that away. I was one of the first coaches to do that. And I said, we're not doing that. If you're a great coach, you get a bigger raise. If you're not a great coach, you're going to not quite get the same raise. We don't do it as a group. You do it as individuals. And the same thing with a team. You don't just all of a sudden get your stuff back. You earn it back if you bust your ass. So Mark Ingram plays for me, comes in. The Mark Ingram I know, he's going to be wearing Gator gear quicker than the other guys because he's going to bust his ass, go to class, do the right thing. That's how I did it. I heard he was doing it, and I'm a big fan of his. But I'm a firm believer in meritocracy. you you get what you earn facts period it's just stuff though right like i i'm looking at this from i i understand i'm looking at this from an outsider right and and i need you guys to explain it because in it's just stuff that you can buy at target right with a gator logo on it right like why does that mean so much mark to that player to have the ability to wear your your alabama a crimson tie jacket or hat or not have the ability to wear it as a fan you can buy it but as a player you got to earn that right stuff is it's earned it's not given so for you to wear that script day for you to wear that script gator on the helmet for you to wear that gator like that there's people who have played and come before you have represented that at a high standard in the right way. And for you to earn the right to do that, you have to earn the right to do it. So I do admire what Coach Summerall is doing at Florida. And I stand by it because that's what makes you take pride in your university. That's what makes you take pride in your logo. It's from the hard work that you put in, the sacrifice that you put in, the discipline that it required to be able to live up to that standard and elevate that standard. So that's why it means that much to me to wear that script A, because I know what it took for me to do it, and I know what the sacrifice, the blood, sweat, and tears that I had with my brothers to be able to do it, and the guys who came before me and after me that held it to a standard, because we've all done the same thing. We all respect each other because that's what it took. Well, it's a psychological truth. The harder it is, the harder it is to let go. In Navy SEAL training, there's 1,000 people apply, 100 make it, because it's hard. They try to eliminate some of the wash, some of the waste. And that's the same thing I tried to run was a football program. I wanted to make it so miserable. I wanted to find out who's in and who's out. Who wants it and who don't. The harder, the better. What's that? Who wants it and who don't. Because it's going to be times we run the 110s. There's going to be times where you got inside run drills. There's going to be times where you got blitz pressure pickup and it's hot in them two-a-days. And if you don't want it, you're going to quit. If you don't love it, you're going to quit. And you're going to weed out the bad ones. You're going to weed out the bad ones. and you're going to have the dogs that rise to the top. No, I get it. I get it. The group hug. There's something about wearing. You tried hard. Give him a shirt. No, no. There's something about wearing. No participation trophies at elite places. Correct. Anywhere. Anywhere. There's something about wearing the gear that you feel you earned, and it's a little different than what anybody else can get. Right? Yep. I understand that. I would strut around Colgate with my Colgate soccer stuff on, which was unique to me, and I love that. And if Coach Mike Doherty took it away from me, I would be pissed as hell. And I would fight to get it back. I totally understand that. But, Coach, was there ever a point where you took the stuff away and you were like, shit, they really haven't earned it yet, but I got to give it to them? Like at some point they need this stuff. No, because when you take over a program, you don't give a damn. You're trying to make it as miserable as possible. Now, I guess I was fortunate. I had some really good kids when I took over. I mean, I took over at what was it, Bowling Green? We won nine games, I think, our first year from 2-9 or 1-10 to nine games. And it turned out that we had arguably the best senior class I've ever had. Utah, we go on a 22-2, 24-2 run after they had a losing season. So I was lucky that when you scrape and push hard enough, you're going to find out that cream rises to the top. And I was very fortunate. Mark, I had some dogs at Florida now. You did. Once we scraped that stuff off, I had some monsters. and they went on national championships second year. Hey, Coach Saban said it, man, the best. He said, high achievers don't like mediocre people and mediocre people don't like high achievers because of what it takes, the standard. I love that. You know what I mean? You got to reward the high achievers. Exactly. That is great. And the high achievers, if they are who you say they are, who they think they are, they bring the mediocre people up to their level. Damn right. And that raises the entire team because you're only as strong as your weakest link on the field. You watch out for Florida, man. I think I'm buying that stock, right? You buying that stock? I'm buying it. That swamp is going to be like a jet engine. I need to know, man. So you said like a Mark Ingram, I'll be able to earn my, you know, my gear a little earlier than somebody else. How do you know? What do you have to do to earn it? Like, what do you have to do to earn it? Like, is it your performance in practice? Is it how you carry yourself? Is it a big play? Like, what is the requirements to earn the gear? No, it has nothing to do with making, you know, performance on the field to a point, but just doing it right. Just going to class. I took up a couple places where they weren't going to class and smoking and all that crap. Just taking care of yourself. And then our strength coach became my right-hand man. I'd actually listen to him say, who's earned it? And, I mean, that was the fun part of the job, especially if you're surrounded by guys. You had some players that were doing it right and smoking, too. Don't remind me. There's a lot of them still out there, man. There's a lot of people that do it the right way. They're just feeling good at night. It's okay. There's nothing wrong with it. It's okay. What the world has changed so much, Mark. Think about that. There was a time where, I mean, you'd lose sleep over a drug test coming up. Yeah. As a coach and staff, you're like, what in the world is going on? Crazy. It's crazy. Now there's no more. I don't think they test anymore. Do they, Mark? In the NFL, they test, but they won't punish you for a negative test? So why do we even test? College, I don't think they test anymore. rob because because they don't want to see the results probably they don't want it's legal right yeah i don't right half the states are legal like we might have a problem here half the states you can go with a driver's license and buy you know i mean in other other states you have a freaking eighth on you they want to take you to jail yeah you know it is it is crazy i remember when we were um out at norman a couple years ago we saw a ton of shops around the campus i was like wow i did not i just wasn't used to it and now now you start going to other places you're like nope There's that. We are now a cannabis podcast. Yep, there's the green thing over there. Yeah. We need a cannabis sponsor We let Coach handle that one Mark All right All right All right Good luck with that one guys Good luck. Can you even imagine Coach going into one of those shops and what he would do and the questions that would be asked? Are reads for the cannabis sponsor? Can you imagine, Coach? The hat would be nice and low. The sweatshirt. Just kind of. Yes, sir. Oh, my God. This is great. That's a sitcom waiting to happen. All right. I told you. I smoked it one time. Yep. I really didn't, but little Wayne walked by me. Hey, Colorado. You didn't have right by me. Little Wayne, Colorado, right? Oh, man. You got that contact high. Yeah. There was a lot of contact high at that show. It wasn't just Wayne. The whole student section was smoking. Everybody was smoking out there. I think the whole city caught a little buzz here. Coming up next, we clean up the show. The architect of one of the most impressive turnarounds in all of sporting history. national championship winning head coach from Indiana. Kurt Signetti joins us next on The Triple Option. Light it. Welcome back to The Triple Option presented by Wendy's Rob Mark Urban. Oh, yeah, we got him. National champion winning head coach Kurt Signetti joining us. Hey, man, where's that national title right now? Where's that trophy sitting? It's sitting about five feet in front of me here. We just finished up with a podcast local guy. used to run our collective. So I'll make sure they get them out of here as quick as possible. I don't want to look at them too long and get soft. Hey, thanks for joining us, Coach. And 30 years ago, I was at Notre Dame and you were at Pitt. Who bought dinner that day when we were – did you buy it or did I – I can't remember. We both had nothing. Because he never buys anything. Yeah. But I remember that. I also remember you interviewing when you were at Colorado State for a – I think we had a receiver job at Pitt with Johnny Majors. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Hey, so did you get to celebrate it? Or I know you're just a nut job like a lot of other great coaches. Did you just go right back at it? I saw you enjoy it with your family, which is incredible. But did you take it all in or are you a little bit like I was, reflecting it when you're still at it is a little sign of weakness. Did you just go right back at it? But did you enjoy it? I got to enjoy it afterwards once I was done with the media. And, of course, the next morning, you know, there's things to do and a press conference and then you're traveling back home. And then you're in the office the next day and, I mean, you got 19,000 things going on, getting ready for next year, coaches retention, player retention, you know, and all that good stuff. So it's been pretty busy. But, you know, the old sign of date is coming up. where nobody signs anymore, right? So, you know, for about the last five years, my wife and I have always taken about a week going somewhere nice and sunny and looking forward to that. Where are you going, Coach? You got something on the table, Coach? Where y'all going? They're going to St. Warts, buddy. Yeah, that's cool. All right, I got one more, Mark, and then you run with it. So I've watched you now for two years, and we did the Nebraska game when we were big noon, and I kept watching your teams, and I was like, just the run fits on defense, the tackling. You just never miss communication on offense, your perimeter blocking, which we all know that's where all those hidden yards are. And I walked out and I stood right next to your team and just the mechanics, the way your team worked, the efficiency. Your staff, you've been very fortunate to have loyalty, consistency. One of the things that hit me right in the jaw is I start losing guys. And your two coordinators, I didn't realize. I remember Bryant worked for me. And then Mike Shanahan. Tell me first, they're the most undervalued people, other than players. They're the most important people in a coach. And I can't say enough about your staff. Tell me about your staff and how do you keep them? Yeah. You know, Bryant and Mike, I hired as part-time coaches at the D2 level for less than $10,000. Now, Bryant was with me two years and then went to Cal Davis. And they got let go. And that's when I got the Elon job and I brought him back. And then when Corey Heatherman left me at JMU after three years, who's now the DC at Miami, I hired Brian, who's he's a great coach. I mean, they both are. And but Grant Cain's been with me probably seven years at least since I went to JMU, my special teams guy, John Miller. And there's a number of them. And of course, I did lose my strength and conditioning guy, Derek Owings. And, you know, that's a key guy. He was with me six or seven years, went to Tennessee. So we're going through that right now, but hired a great guy to run that thing. But, you know, the staff makes it happen, and we're on the same page. And, you know, that's key to the drill, getting everybody to think alike, especially when you're in season, every single day and then on game day, the players included. and when you've got people that you've been with for a while, it's easier to get that done. You just got to make sure complacency doesn't set in, which when you're successful, that's the daily deal. And how do I keep them? I don't know. I'm a little different than a lot of guys. I don't practice a long time. I'm a 25-minute walkthrough guy on Monday and Friday, and we're about an hour 30 to an hour 40 Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, helmet, shoulder pad. Wow. I'm the same way in the office. I come in early, organize the day. When we're done with practice, those coaches, they can go home if they want to. And, you know, if their work's done. And now some of them stay, some of them don't, but I don't walk the halls to see who's here and who isn't. So the one thing I would say is we're pretty efficient in everything we do. Like we don't waste time when we're here. You know, we're working. So I'm sorry, Mark. So the grind days are Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. Those guys, when you're done practice, because you're so efficient, and when you roll in the next morning, you don't watch a practice film afterwards? No, we watch it in the morning. I like to watch practice film when I'm fresh, and I'm a morning guy. So Monday is a late night because we meet with the players at 5, and we start our walk through around 7.30. and then everything else is like 215 right and we're done by 5 30. So you know those guys if they got their work done you know they go home see their kids. Wow that's awesome. I love it. I love the efficiency of the time coach. But no coach I remember after we won our national championship you know in Pasadena we flew back to Tuscaloosa So the next day, and I remember we had a team meeting, and Coach Saban was on our butt right away. Like, now it's all about what can you do when you're at the top of the mountain, everybody's shooting for you, you know, et cetera, et cetera. He was on us right away. When did you guys have your first team meeting when you got back to the Hoosiers? And I know it's obviously different with roster retention, roster turnover, but when was the first team meeting, and what was your message to the team? Yeah. Well, we actually didn't have a team meeting. I did meet with the Portal guys together. met with the new high school guys together, and met with the returners together. We have not had a team meeting yet. You know, they're down there in the weight room now working and this and that. But I thought it was really important I get in front of the portal guys and the high school guys because they had been on campus for seven, eight, nine days. You know, we're preparing for the national championship, and we kept them separate from the team just to, you know, lay down the law, so to speak, and kind of the direction where we're heading. So let me ask you, I remember Lou Holtz when we won in, what was it, 06, and it's almost like it's so relieving, and we did it, and then reality sets in, and I think you're going to feel it. I mean, everyone else I've talked to, at some point you'll feel it, that damn, climbing the mountain, like Mark said a minute ago, and Holtz used to say this to me, is that it takes passion, energy, but when you're on top, it just seems like everyone's swinging at you. You know, Indiana, and I know you know this, but every Big Ten Conference school and everyone you're playing has got your game circled. You're Signetti and you're the Hoosiers now as opposed to the old Hoosiers. So, you know, have you felt that yet? Probably not, but, you know, be prepared for, you know, maintenance is a bitch. Oh, yeah. Climbing a mountain is fun. I mean, it's hard to get to the top of the mountain. Right. And so very few teams have done it back to back. To me, it's all about us still. Are we meeting the standard on a daily basis? Are we meeting the standard consistently? My message really isn't the things I believe in are not going to change. My message to the team might change daily based on what I see and how we're doing. Usually if we're doing pretty good, I may not even talk to the team after practice. But if I don't like what I see, I am going to talk to them. Now, it's not going to be long, but they're going to understand what I'm saying. Facts. Hey, Coach, one of my favorite plays in the game was when Fernando Mendoza obviously goes four on fourth down, runs the linebacker over. dives into the end zone that set the tone game momentum help you guys finish the game what was the i what was the play call for that play and what went into your decision to go for it on fourth down from the 12th yeah well you know you got to play to win i mean uh you got to have confidence in the players and sometimes i you know i always remind myself that before the game begins. I'll put some things on paper, how I want to coach the game and whatever. And like I told the staff and the team a few times the last couple of games, you know, you win your hero, you lose your bumps. So cut it loose and play to win. Right. You can't play not to lose. And I didn't feel real good about trotting a field goal team out there and just getting a six point lead and kicking the ball off. You know, they were moving the ball a little bit on us in the second half. And we had an opportunity to go up two scores And even if we didn make it they were going to be pinned down pretty good right we going to have to hold them anyway so uh you know we went for it earlier in that drive on fourth down great back shoulder to charlie becker that's right and you know playing to win man you got to have confidence in the players they've been making plays all year long quarterbacks been making plays all year long let's go yeah what was that play called you could share it or no It was just quarterback draw. I mean, we had the call a little different because we turned the line different than we had all year long. Did you have an RPO with it in case it was a six impression? There were RPOs, yeah, on the outside, two inside states and hitches. But we were anticipating the quarterback would run based on what they did to play before and what we thought they would be doing in that situation. And it worked out that way. He broke a few tackles now. He did that. He did that big boy run. I want to change the subject real quick that this whole world of, you know, Dabo, Coach Sweeney, you know, the NCAA right now is, you know, it seems to me this is a slam dunk investigation that doesn't take four and a half years to get. Are you experiencing this? I talk to a lot of friends still, and you say wild, wild west. Are you personally experiencing that nonsense, the tampering with the Indiana roster? Well, yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, we had a guy last year offered a million dollars. but he'd be shocked at the school. And, you know, it's gone on this year. Guys walk in my office and talk to me. And, you know, it's tough, man. It's hard. I mean, you know, you've got these agents calling everybody across America. I love to play those guys. You try to do it the right way. It's tough. Coach, let's pivot forward, right? We're all about moving forward right now. You go to year one in your transition from James Madison, Indiana, you've leaned heavily into the transfer portal. Year two last year, it felt like it was a little bit less, but the portal was still important. So here we are now year three. Kind of take us to what the composition of this team is for year three and what you wanted to be building it out a couple of years. Yeah, I think year one we took 32. Year two, we took 22. This year we took 17. So you see that number going down as the high school recruiting builds up. And now that we're winning, the high school recruiting is getting better. It still takes those guys a little while to develop so they can play winning football. I don't care. A 24-year-old is going to play better than an 18-year-old. So I don't think you're ever going to see the day where you're not dabbling in the portal. And maybe next year we're at 14. Who knows? but you always have critical needs and you always got to win every single year. That's just the way the business is now. So the foundation of the house is the high school recruiting and, you know, that's picking up and getting better and better, but you got to supplement it with the portal guys. You're three, three different quarterbacks. Can you sustain that, you know, or is that a model that you like going forward? We have up to this point. I mean, since 19, Ben DiNucci was player year in a conference. 20, Cole Johnson player year in a conference. And then Todd Santeo, one-year transfer player year in a conference. And Jordan McLeod, one-year transfer player year in a conference. And Curtis Work, he was not player year in a conference because Dylan Gabriel won the Heisman, but he led the country in QBR. And this year, Fernando Mendoza, obviously. So now we've got Josh Hoover. And you build around the quarterback and the offensive talent. and getting to kind of play the way you want them to play and get them better. And, you know, it all starts at that position. Coach, man, you know, we've heard a lot about, like, different spring games, traditions, and how people are doing it. Do you plan on having a traditional spring game this season or how do you plan to, you know, adjust your off-season program with the spring transfer portal, no spring transfer portal? Yeah, we'll play a half. That's what we've done the last two years here. And I think I did that my last couple years at JMU too. You know, on a Thursday night, we'll play a half. They've got something here called the Little 500. It's like a bike race model. 500. That's two days later. And, you know, we'll practice 13 times. I have never practiced 15 times in spring yet. I've never practiced 25 times in fall camp. We'll get enough done in 13 days. Is that right? Yeah, never. And an hour and a half on the field, you said. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, spring ball may go 150. That's going to get players there off that schedule. You're keeping them fresh. You're keeping them ready to go. Efficiency. That's what I'm trying to do is keeping them fresh and healthy because nobody has depth, and I've never had a team that had enough depth. You know what I thought was awesome, Sig, is you talked about your dad. I'm just kind of jumping off script here, but you talked about your dad, and you never got to go to the Hall of Fame until you were down there for that and see his name up there? And found out that morning that the press conference was at the Hall of Fame. Unbelievable. What did that warm the heart? I mean, I can only imagine what that... Yeah, it was pretty cool. Good for you, man. Yeah, thanks. Coach, coming up on the show, we're going to talk about scheduling and off-season schedules and non-conference foes. This year, your non-conference schedule, North Texas, Howard, Western Kentucky. What is your scheduling philosophy that at least you can control? I'm going to play who the AD says we're playing. I mean, North Texas 12-2, Western Kentucky 9-4. So, you know, and then we played nine, how many, nine Big Ten teams. Yeah. And so, you know. So what's your AD's philosophy in it then? I think right now the prevailing philosophy is the SEC's gone to nine, right? Conference games. Mm-hmm. Ten's at nine. and okay, what you do in the Big Ten really matters a lot. Why make it harder on yourself? Facts. Facts. Hey, Coach, I need to know, man, what that ping pong game talking about? It's been a long time, brother. Hey, man, I'm coming to get my get back on you. Did you get him? Wait, wait, wait. Did you get him? I think we split, you know, honestly. I know we got him. Hey, Coach, man, tell him, hey, man, What do you remember about flying into Flint, Michigan? I know it was cold and coming to see me and recruit me that first time. You was the first person I saw from Alabama. I'm like, okay, okay. I'm doing something now. I got Coach Cignetti in the Crimson Tide here in Flint, Michigan. Tell them, man, what do you remember most about that first visit we had? I remember two of them, I think, and it was snowing like hell. One time you were at a track meet. Yep, the indoor track meet. And then the other time, I think we ate pizza in your living room. Yeah, the first time was the piece of the living room. The second time you brought Coach Burns up there, y'all was at the indoor track meet. Yeah, I remember that. I remember that. I was flying. Coach Burns liked me then when he saw me running that track meet. Were you at Alabama in 14? No, I was there 7, 8, 9, and 10. Okay. Yeah. Coach, we on the outside, we see a different perception of what Indiana is. Obviously, you're in the weeds with it, right? So we see the touchdown at Penn State, right? We see what happened with Mendoza going airborne in the national championship game. Those are probably the images that are stuck with us, with most of the people. What's the image or images of what's transpired the entirety of the season through the celebrations and the celebrations back in Bloomington? What are those little mental snapshots that you have that are going to stay, that are going to resonate with you for the rest of your life? Well, those were two iconic plays. And great moments in Indiana football history. What I'm going to remember about this group is just how consistent they were day in, day out, week in, week out, how they approach their work and then put it on the field. A lot of great leaders on this team. A lot of really smart guys are going to do well in life that were really probably closer maybe than any team I've ever had. Now, generally, when you win big, you got pretty close team. but boy these guys really were tight and uh played with a lot of confidence when did you allow yourself to celebrate and take it in and smile as soon as i could you know it takes a while to get that stage up every time you you win one of those playoff games and then you know maybe you got to big 10 network or fox and finally get in that locker room and crack one open crack one open hey thanks for joining us man you're great please share your staff from an old coach much respect man those guys did a hell of a job yeah you got it buddy Coach Cignetti you're awesome man congratulations again we are so proud of what you and what Indiana was able to create national championship winning head coach Kurt Cignetti thanks coach Urban Mark, Rob, back here with you. The Triple Option presented by Wendy's. Time to go three and out, guys. We're going to discuss non-conference schedules, right? So the 2026 calendars have been set for all the big programs. We're going to try to find the three easiest non-conference schedules. We talked to Kurt Signetti about it earlier, Coach, and Indiana may be at the top of your list. It is, and I like the fact that, Coach Signetti was very clear. Who cares? I don't want to paraphrase him too much, but which is, I mean, I get it. I respect it. I actually respect a person that just says that. He says the Big Ten Conference playing nine games. They played Kennesaw State, Old Dominion, and Indiana State. I'll never forget that when I heard those three teams they played and they won a national title. So I think, unfortunately, because I do like those non-conference big games, I used to like it as a coach, and I love it now just watching. But I think those days are over, Mark. With that said, the three, I'm going back to the Hoosiers. Again, they play a good North Texas, but still North Texas. They play Howard, and they play Western Kentucky that I believe won nine games. And Sig let us know that. So Indiana Houston playing Oregon State Southern and Georgia Southern Wow Whenever you get directions involved Coach I know I know And then my old Utah team is playing Idaho and then Arkansas team. I heard they're a shell of themselves and Utah State. So the old scheduling philosophy that we used to live by, big dog, medium dog, little dog. There are a lot of little dogs out there. A lot of little puppies barking out there, nipping at me. A lot of little dogs. Little dog, little dog, little dog. Mini dog. Mini dogs. Mini-Dogs. Mark, who are your three? Who's got the best Mini-Dogs schedule out there? Shoot. Right now, you got to go Penn State. Penn State got Marshall, Temple, and Buffalo for their non-conference. We saw that last year, too, with them. They also have no Oregon and no Ohio State and no Indiana. So you talk about easiest non-conference, maybe easiest conference as well. You know, when you're taking out Oregon, Ohio State, Indiana, those are the three best teams in the Big Ten this year. Then you got to go Texas Tech. We got Abilene Christian. Sounds like one of the high school, you know, Christian academies right here by me. No offense to Abilene Christian, by the way. And then they got also Sam Houston State and Oregon State, who is absolutely haven't been doing anything lately. It's at Oregon State, at least to add a little caveat to it. But I agree. Oregon State, what is their record to pass? Welcome. Hey, Pac-12 is back, baby. The Pac-12 is back. The Pac is back, man. The Pac is back to life? Full of state schools, yeah. Let's go. Yeah, so Texas Tech, Penn State, and then we'll go with the Georgia Bulldogs. Tennessee State, Western Kentucky, and, well, we can't always just throw Georgia Tech in there. I mean, I think that's non-conference, but Tennessee State. It is non-conference, end of season. Tennessee State and Western Kentucky? Haynes King is gone? Yep. It'll be a different – Mendoza. Yeah, Mendoza could be running the ship for Georgia Tech. All right, so those are the non-conference schedule. I want to go totality. Mark, you kind of hit on it as well. If you look at the totality of Penn State's schedule, Matt Campbell, I guarantee you, he looked at that before he signed the paper. He's like, you know what? I could deal with this the first year. This is an easy entry back into the Big Ten, right? We already talked about Marshall at Temple, Buffalo. No Oregon, no Ohio State, Indiana. The toughest stretch, it's two Saturdays in a row. It's home to USC and then at Michigan. Only one West Coast trip that goes out to Washington. So I think Penn State, you know, assuming they can sort themselves out with all the new bodies and the new coaches coming in. Rocco Beck is going to be their QB. I think this is an easy entrance, if you will, for Penn State. Listen, Marcus Freeman, Notre Dame, if you don't make the playoffs with this schedule, something's wrong. Now, when we say out of conference schedule, it's hard to say it's easy because they only have five quote-unquote conference games, right, from the ACC. But looking at the totality of it, open up with Wisconsin, Akron Bay, then two other Big Ten teams, but it's Michigan State and Purdue. So you're talking teams that are middle to the bottom part of the Big Ten, right? You got Rice. Rice is their gimme. the ACC games at North Carolina, Stanford, the two big ones are both home, Miami and SMU. They also have BC and Syracuse. So seven games, that's their extra credit. They go seven games, then a bye after that BYU game. And then they have another neutral game with Navy at Foxborough. So I think the totality of Notre Dame's schedule looks extremely manageable. Irish, you need to make the playoffs again you only need to be in the top 12 and you'll be in the playoffs texas tech interesting as well again totality no byu no utah we talked to mark about the three out of conference teams and then they host maybe two of their more challenging teams arizona state and tcu five games then a bye when they have arizona state at home i think texas tech is primed to get themselves back into the college football playoff picture that was your fresh take of the week presented by And Wendy's, get yourself a $4 Biggie Bites, $6 Biggie Bag, and an $8 Biggie Bundle now at Wendy's. We love Biggie Bags, and we love Biggie Bundles. And we love Super Bowl Sunday as well. Yes. You guys are road tripping it. I'm going to go be a cheer dad in Orlando, so I'm missing it. As this kicks off our two-minute drill brought to you by FanDuel, visit fanduel.com slash triple option to download the app and take advantage of a 50% profit boost today. Again, that's fanduel.com slash triple option. Time to make our picks for the Super Bowl. Seattle guys favored by four and a half. The over under mark is 45 and a half. Deuce, deuce, you're first up. Who's taking home the Super Bowl? Four and a half is a lot for a Super Bowl, you know. It actually seems small to me. Yeah, but to me, I'm going to lay the points here. You know, I think, you know, I respect Vrabel. I respect the Patriots and what they've done this season. But there's something about the Seattle Seahawks team. They just got a lot of juice on offense. You talk about Jackson Smith and Jigba. Looks like the best receiver in the league right now. You talk about the addition of Rashid Shahid, how dangerous he is as a punt returner, kick returner, and a wide receiver. Then you talk about Kenneth Walker, who I think is coming into his own in this postseason. He's running the rock. He's catching the football. This offense has a lot of juice. Then you talk about Sam Darnold, the evolution of him, where he has come from since he was with the Jets. They talk about he was a bust. He was with Carolina. He was backing up. They talk about he's a bust. I was waiting on Sam Darnold to prove me right, I mean, to prove me wrong this year and have a bad stretch. He hasn't had a bad stretch all year. He probably had one or two games out of 16, 17, 18 that weren't up to par. So Sam Darnold is playing at an elite level, a high level. There's defense. They rush you with four. Drake may have been sacked a number of times in this playoff. I think 15 times in this playoff. And so you have a defensive front led by Demarcus Lawrence, who can get to you with rushing four people. If you can rush four people and cover seven, that's the recipe for success. So with this team, I got too much juice on offense, a strong defense. I'm laying the points, four and a half. I'm going to lay these points with Seattle. I think Seattle has the momentum, and they just got too much juice. I'm laying the points. I'm going with Seattle here in this one. Coach, how do you see it? I'm going to take the X factor in Vrabel. He's been there. He's won three Super Bowls. He's seen one of the best teams, dynasties in NFL history with the Patriots and how it's done. and I got a lot of respect for Seattle, but I think the X factor is the guy running the charge in one of the great turnarounds in NFL history if he wins his last game. So I'm a Mike Rabel fan. I witnessed it. I would go visit the Patriots when he was playing and watch that team work, and I just think the X factor will be Mike and his experience in Super Bowls and having a plan of attacking how to go win that game. So four and a half points is a lot. I think they're going to cover it, but I actually want to pick the – and there's a little bit of personal bias because I love Rable to see him do this. Have you been watching Jackson Smith and Jigba? Oh, I've been watching him for years. I think that's so good because he got overshadowed by Marvin Harrison Jr. now. Yes. He is a dog. He was the number two receiver at Ohio State. Think about that for a minute. He's a dog. Monster. A dog. Have you watched Jackson Smith and Jigbo? Have you watched Kenneth Walker III? Have you watched Rashid Shaheed, a.k.a. Deuce Deuce, getting loose? I'm winning points with Seattle. Oh, I got Seattle by at least seven. Yeah, that's how high I am on them. I love the Brable story. I love New England winning on the road every game this year. And I know this is a neutral site game, but keeping it away from Foxborough, it is an awesome story, the turnaround. And like, as soon as the Patriots hired Vrabel, weren't we all saying, what a great hire? Like how smart, why do teams give up on great coaches? I know sometimes you just need to, to mix it up, right. And, and change the locker room or, or the mentality. But what, what a steal, what an absolute steal for the Patriots. And, and Drake may man, if the Pats are going to do it, it's going to be with May's wheels. Right. I mean, all those big first downs he picked up by, by doing it himself. That kid's a gamer, man. I love him. He's also a Tar Heel, so there might be a little bias there. All right. The Triple Option and our good friends at Throwbacks, you guys are going to be up in the Bay Area for Super Bowl weekend. We're going to miss you. We love you. And everybody, I know, I know. Listen, I'm going to miss you guys too. I'm downright sour about it, but I'm going to be a good cheer dad. Fans, you guys have a chance to hang out for free with three College Football Hall of Famers. If it's free, it's for me. And I'll take three. Three, exactly. This Saturday, the 7th, you can watch a live crossover episode at 5 Pacific. Coach will be there. Mark will be there. 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