A Retired Military Veteran Shares His Face-to-Face Sasquatch Encounter in Gifford Pinchot National Forest

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So settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Danny today. Danny's an individual. He's got a military background. So first off, Danny, thank you for your service and thank you for being here. How are you doing today, sir? I'm doing fantastic. Thanks for having me here. Awesome. And thank you. I am really excited to hear what your encounters were. We will be going to the Scamania County area. I believe the Gifford Pinchot National Forest, which is whenever we're able to go there in the show, it is usually a much appreciated episode from listeners. But Danny, is there anything else that we would need to know about you besides that you are an individual with some military background? No, that about does it. Yeah, that sums it up, military. Did 21 years to be exact. I retired out last year on the 15th of September. And now I'm just living through the memories of serving my country and pushing forward right now. And I'm just here now to give my testimony on what happened to me in the Gifford Forest. Absolutely. And I know we've talked a little bit before we got started. This is a pretty intense one. There's a lot to this. So I want to make sure that you have the time to share. And I might be asking questions along the way, perhaps. But you'll feel free to take us back. I know you have a starting point in mind and we will go from there, sir. Perfect. OK, so I'll start it off. I was in Carson, Washington, living just that's right outside of Stevenson for context. This happened in the summer of 2004. If I recall correctly, it was July or August, but it was full swing in summertime. And I had an affinity for this forest. I went to this forest as often as I possibly could. Hunting, hiking, fishing, you name it, because all of that is there. So on this particular time, I had a timeline of actually being out there for about three or four days. I would usually go out there with what's called a three-dap or a three-day assault pack or a rucksack. I'd fill it up with everything that I needed. And I would go out there and I would do what I would do. I would fish for trout. I would hike and I would discover things. But on this particular time that I was going out there, I was actually going out there to look for a mine, an old silver mine. And I knew I knew its approximate location. And the mine was called the Foxy Baker Mine. It was from the late 1800s and it was a big, big silver producing mine that was in the Gifford Forest, way up on at the end of a log in road called Road 42. Now, at this time, I went up to Trapper Creek and to get access to Trapper Creek here in the forest, you would have to go up a road, the Wind River Road. You'd go way out at the end of this Wind River Road to get access into the Gifford Forest. And that would take you down through Trapper Creek. And if you kept going down, you eventually get to a little bridge and for people who have been out there that know exactly what I'm talking about, you'll get to a bridge where it's called Canyon Creek. And at Canyon Creek, you can go left or you can go right. If you go left, you'll be on a road called 5310, which connects to 53. And it will go up to what's called the Canyon Creek Campground. And if you keep going up this way, eventually this road 53 turns into an old service road called 4210, which ends up being a road 42. And if you keep going up 53, it wraps all the way around the mountain and goes past a place called Pelvy Creek and Jake's Creek. And if you look on the map in this area, you're in a place called the Tatoosh Hills. And the Tatoosh Hills have a lot of activity that I didn't even know about until after this all happened. But we'll get into that. And so I was going up there and I took the route from past Canyon Creek 53 all the way around until 53 basically turned into 42 because it connected at some point. And so what I did is I drove all the way up there. I finally parked in this big old, it was a rock quarry, an old abandoned rock quarry that's way up there. And I backed my truck in to this little road, which would have been the beginning of 4210. And so I knew this mine was around there. And I was looking for this mine. And I went down the road 42 where I had information that this mine was at. And I didn't actually end up finding the mine. But what I did find was I found an old plaque, a super, super old plaque that was hammered to a tree. And it was still there by sheer luck. But what it was was it was a big piece of tin that said Foxy Baker on it. And it had like a map made on this tin. I couldn't read the map because it was so old from the puncture marks on it. But it was clearly a map. And so I had searched around the area and I was looking and I just could not find this mine. And so at that point, I just said, well, you know, you can't win every time. So I'm just going to continue on doing what I'm doing. And I'm going to be out here for three days as planned. And I'm just going to go and I'm going to now I'm going to find a place where I'm going to camp. So what I ended up doing is on road 42, I just I kept walking down it. I got I got down it probably, oh, I would say maybe maybe three quarters of a mile. And when I got down to a certain point where it kind of turned off to the left, it was still the same road. There was an area that was had like a waterfall. It wasn't a big waterfall, but it was big enough for if I literally went and stood under it, I would be completely soaked. So I found myself a water source and I was like, OK, this is this is where I'm going to camp. But I didn't want to be actually on the logging road itself where this waterfall was. So I said, OK, well, water is coming downhill. There's enough pressure where it's making this big waterfall. So there's probably a lot more water up above. So I'm going to climb up, which I did. It was it was maybe a 45 degree incline, maybe a little steeper, but not so hard where I couldn't. I couldn't negotiate the incline. So I I took myself and my rucksack in the gear that I had. And also I was carrying a Remington 870 shotgun as well, just just because you never know what's going to happen out there. And I climbed all the way up and I got to a point where it leveled out, it plateaued out, but then it would keep going up. But where I was at was it was about 15 or 20 feet away from this, which was now just a smaller creek that led into this waterfall. I was on a flat area right next to a bunch of old growth evergreens. And I said, OK, this is going to be the perfect place to just to set up camp. I'm at I'm at an elevated position. Anything that might happen would have to come from above or come from below and coming from below. You've got to go uphill, so it's going to be a lot more difficult. And if you're coming downhill, well, I'm going to hear you because you're going to be crashing down the side of a mountain. So I I basically I just set up camp there in my sleeping bag, which wasn't even really like a winter bag. It was more or less a summer bivvy bag because it was a summertime. And keep in mind, it was like 85 90 degrees out in the in the forest there, even inside. Because if I remember correctly, it was either the very end of July or early, early August. But anyways, it was it was really, really hot. So I set up my sleeping bag. I set up all my gear. I made a fire ring with with a bunch of rocks that I got out of the creek. And I had a fire, did my thing, did my life. And nightfall came and then that's kind of when everything really started and then everything changed dramatically. So what ended up happening is my fire. I kept it low. I didn't keep it high because, you know, it was technically fire season. And and there could have been a fire if if my fire got out of control in any way, which it didn't. So I let my fire die down and darkness came probably around 10 o'clock or so. I remember just laying down in this flat spot and it was really quiet. But you could hear the wind. You could hear, you know, birds and everything else, basically the forest winding down for the night. So darkness came. I fell asleep and at some point in time, I and I don't even know what time. I just know it was in the middle of the night because I woke up and I woke up in the middle of the night. And when I did wake up, it was it was just silence, like complete, absolute silence. And usually even at night in the forest, you hear sounds. You do, whether it's insects or acoustic noises from the wind or something. You hear stuff. But but I heard nothing at all. I heard absolutely nothing. And I was I was laying on my back, basically looking straight up at the sky. And I just had this this sense of of like of just a presence. And and I didn't move at all. I in my mind was OK, I'm just I'll just lay here and and I'll just see what happens or I'll fall asleep. But what what ended up happening is laying there for a few minutes. I like I had this impression that like something was coming my way and it did. And in the form of. It was a it was a rock. And what I mean by a rock was as I was laying there, I I sensed something coming in and I started hearing these noises like and then thought a big, big thud. And I was like, what was that? But this thud was literally within two feet of my head. Big, big thud. And I didn't move. I didn't do anything at all. And after that happened, I replayed it in my mind. Of exactly what happened. And so what what the sound was is it was a rock. There was a rock thrown is basically what I'm telling you. There was a rock thrown from probably above me. And the sounds of these like crashes with a rock coming through the tree canopy and like hitting tree branches and stuff and leaves before it impacted on the ground. And so I deduced that that is what had happened. And I thought, I'm like, well, how did that happen? Did a rock come tumbling down? Like that's just not possible. That that's not possible. Anyways, so what ended up happening? I eventually just fell back asleep. The very next morning I wake up. The first thing I do is I look over to see exactly what it was that fell because I was pretty sure it was a rock, but I couldn't see anything. I didn't turn a flashlight on or nothing in the middle of the night. So I look over and sure enough, right on my left hand side. I kid you not, there was a river rock, a river rock, probably the size of like a 14 inch frying pan in circumference. And for those of you who know what a river rock is, we all know they're they're really soft and they're flat because they've been in water or around water for so long that it's just completely flattened like the rock and softened it up. And I told myself, like, how did a river rock come all the way to where I am when there's no rivers? There's creeks and large creeks around here like Pelvey Creek, Jake's Creek and Canyon Creek. But where I am, those those water sources were miles away from from where I actually was. And so I just I didn't brush it off. I just thought it was like really, really strange because there was there was no other rock like that. In my close vicinity or even two or three miles in proximity, there was just none. So I I I just chalked it up to, well, you know, there's a rock and it fell through the canopy and it landed on the ground right next to my head. And that's what happened. I don't know how it happened, but that's what happened. So this is the next day. I pack up all of my stuff and I continue. I get out of there is basically what I did. So I went back down the hill, back down where this waterfall was on the road. Forty two. And I started just walking the road. And it's like I said in the beginning, forty two and fifty three. They both connect into like a gigantic circle. So I was going down forty two all the way till I got finally back down to where road fifty three was when you manage procurement for multiple facilities. Every order matters. But when it's for a hospital system, they matter even more. Granger gets it and knows there's no time for managing multiple suppliers and no room for shipping delays. That's why Granger offers millions of products and fast dependable delivery so you can keep your facility stocked safe and running smoothly. Call one eight hundred Granger click Granger dot com or just stop by Granger for the ones who get it done. 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And at that point, like I was I was at the where Pelvey Creek actually connected to Canyon Creek. If you look this up on Google Earth, you'll see exactly where I was and the exact location of where I was. So at this point, I take a break. I'm hanging out, you know, I didn't find the mine. I wasn't disappointed. I was just making do with with my time and being out there. My plan was to be out there for three days. And that's what I fully intended to do was to be out there for three days, regardless of if I found a mine or if I didn't find the mine. So I'm at Canyon Creek now and I'm on road fifty three. And and I'm walking down in my goal now. I told I told myself I was going to go down to the Canyon Creek campground. Now, the Canyon Creek campground isn't probably a traditional campground that you're thinking about where you go and you take your family. It's quite literally just a place that you can camp quite literally in the middle of nowhere. And it just happens to be called Canyon Creek campground because it's on Canyon Creek. The people do a lot of trout fishing at this campground. So I just told myself I'm going to go down to Canyon Creek and I'm just going to see what I can get myself into down there, hang out at Canyon Creek for the day and then see what happens. So what I did, like I said, I started walking down road fifty three and it went around the corner to the right. And then it kind of started doing it like a gigantic snake. Like that's how the road looked. But it was at it was at a decline. So it wasn't at such a decline where like you're literally like you're you're going on a straight pitch incline down. It was an incline where if you looked down the road, you saw that the road slowly sloped down and winded around and did its thing. It was just such a gradual decline that you didn't really feel it at all walking. You still felt like you were walking straight, but you actually weren't. So I'm walking down fifty three and I get around the first bend, which was from my right going into the left and then coming back out of that. It turned to the right and then went kind of straight down. Like it went straight for a while and I could see the bottom of the road. It would it would turn off left again. But it was one of these logging roads that I'm sure you've seen it. I'm sure everybody has where you have if it's an old gravel logging road and you see where the tire tread would have been. But in the middle, there's grass. I don't know if you've seen that or or know what I'm talking about. But usually. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. So it was just like that. There was a big, big strip of grass that was all down this road. And so when I came around the corner and I was looking, I noticed in the strip of this grass, there were these there were footprints, like at least 10, 12 footprints. And I probably went for like maybe 15 or 20 yards, but there was only like 10 or 12 of them, so it was like a very big stride. And I stopped just for a minute and I'm looking on this grass strip and I'm like, why are there footprints in the middle of this road in the middle of the day? Keep in mind, I think it was about 3 30 in the afternoon. And so I'm looking and I walk up to these footprints and I get right up to them. I get right on them. And these were clearly you could see toe prints and an entire footprint. The circumference of it, I would say it was probably six, maybe seven inches wide and probably 15 inches, minimal 15 inches long. But here's the really creepy, creepy part. This is this was the part that like I understood that like this is definitively a Sasquatch in a big foot. So I bent down, Jeremiah, to look at these footprints that were made on this grass. And what was so creepy about this is when I looked at these footprints, Jeremiah, I could actually see the grass starting to come up again. Like whatever stepped on these like made these tracks had just been there. And the grass was beginning to retake its own form again. And so I was looking at this because I was watching this in real time. I saw the footprints and then I watched them all disappear. After about 10 minutes, they were all gone because the grass had recomposed itself and it just went back to being grass. And if I would have been any later or any earlier, I never even would have saw them at all. So once that happened, I was really spooked. I was really, really spooked at that point because I completely registered like what it was, like I definitively knew that this is what it was. And there was there was no other doubts in my mind at all that this was 100% unequivocally a Sasquatch or big foot or scoocum or whatever you want to call it. That's that's what it was. So at that point, like I said, I had a Remington 870 with me. I had every other shell. It was a double buck and slugs. And so I put put one in the pipe and I just kept going down the the logging road 53 and I was still on my way to Canyon Creek. I was still going to do that. I was still determined. I wasn't going to be deterred and that's that. So at that point, I'm going down road 53, still walking along, probably 20 minutes passes by, you know, because there's a lot of ground to cover. Those those winds out there in the mountains, they don't seem like a lot, but it takes a lot of effort to make a couple of miles when these roads just wind and zigzag and wind. So going down, I get to another straightaway, but basically this straightaway was like it was like covered by by the trees, like the tree canopy actually shadowed the road. So you couldn't you couldn't see the sunlight coming through the canopy. You could like see like rays of light and things coming through. But it was a real thick, thick area on this road. And it was it was a little a little windy and it wasn't gravel and grass anymore. It was it was dirt. But you could tell that like each season that this part of the road always got flooded and always turned to mush or mud, you know. And then as as the spring and the summer had come, it would harden and it would reform until the the rain came again and turned it into the goo. And so that's that's what the road looked like. And you could see all these potholes and old, old truck treadmarks and and all these things, but they were now they were dry and it was all hard and dry. And on the side of the of where this was, you could actually see where the washout was. So all the rain or, you know, all the precipitation and everything that would flood this road, you could see where the irrigation was and the drainage from when it would dry up and when it would just by gravity take the water continually down the decline. And on the side of this, and this is the whole road, by the way, it was it was all washout. So so the land, the topography of it was the sides were all washed out, but about six feet is where like it would be reestablished as like maybe flat ground with trees and things because of the washout. So if you could just imagine that you walk up to the side of it, you look up and about six feet, you see a bunch of tree roots and all the stuff hanging out the side. And then all of a sudden, it's just flat ground up above. That's exactly what it looked like. So I kept walking down and probably about 25, maybe 30 feet, it couldn't have been further away. I was I was coming just at a quarter. I would have been slightly turning to my left and in this drainage ditch. I what I thought it was and what I saw, I saw this gigantic like, I don't know, it seemed like every single color, like like Auburn, like reds, blondes, light brown, dark brown with different flecks of like blonde. I just saw this big giant mass and my my mind, what I registered at just looking at it instantly, what I thought it was, was I thought it was like a deadfall. I thought it was a tree that like had broken off at like 10 feet. And then the bottom of the base of the tree, that was what was left. And I'm sure everybody has seen a deadfall. You know, the tree will get a heart rot or something will happen. It hit by lightning and it finally dies. And then it rots from the inside out and then it falls over and it's dead. And that's that. That's what I thought I saw. I thought I saw a tree just like that. And so I just I took like one or two more steps forward thinking I had the assurance of like, OK, yeah, that's what that is. And then all of a sudden this form that I thought was a tree, it like it made a swivel movement like. I it was it was facing not facing towards me. Or maybe it was. I don't know because I didn't actually see a face in all of this mass. But it made a swivel movement. So I presume that it turned to face me. But it was so camouflaged. It was so perfectly in this perfect color striation and formation that even when it turned, it was all one motion. It wasn't like the torso moved and arms moved and legs moved. It was like it just it just turned around all in one solid fluid movement. And that's when I completely stopped. And it was absolutely a Sasquatch. And like I was telling you, it was all of these colors and the sun, these little specks of like light that were coming through the canopy that you could see it would like hit on it on the on the fur or the hair. It wasn't for when I think of fur, I just think of like really, really small amount of hair like on a rabbit. It wasn't fur. It was it was definitively hair. But you could see on on on the areas of this this this Sasquatch that I was I was absolutely looking at that where the light hit it, it completely changed the color of the of the hair from the other hair. It was it was almost like like the light gave it this prismatic effect where it absorbed the environment around it and it became that color. It I don't know if that makes sense. And maybe it's hard to explain. But that's that's what it was. And I was looking at it and it at that point in time, like I know I was like making like eye contact with it. Did I actually see facial features? No, no, and I did not. I didn't I did not see cheek like skin or I didn't see a chin or anything. But I knew that the area that I was looking at was was its face because I did see its eyes, the eyes I did see. And I've heard a lot of people say that the shape is this way or the color is that way? That might be so for those people. But for me, it was jet black, obsidian black, completely black, probably the size of a lemon about that size. Very, very, very, very, very large. And at that point, I could start deciphering its actual true size because it was it was so naturally camouflage that you couldn't actually accent the the true size of what I was looking at. But after standing there for it seemed like an eternity, but it probably wasn't more than 20 seconds. I could completely see its figure. I saw its arms. I saw its legs. I saw where its head would have been. And I know some people say there's necks and all that. I saw absolutely no neck. There was no neck. It literally looked like its trapezius muscles in its back. It's almost like its face would have just been planted on the front of its traps. And then that's where the head was. There was absolutely no neck. But if there was, I didn't see it under any any hair at all. And so I was standing there looking at that and I was thinking like, man, what am I going to do? And I don't know what it was thinking. But again, this only this probably only really truly lasted about 20 seconds. It seemed like a lot longer and I didn't count. I wasn't paying attention to that. There was no cell phones. I think maybe there would have been a flip phone in 2004, but I can't even remember. I had no no pictures, no none of that. And I wasn't even thinking about that. I wasn't thinking about shooting it. I wasn't thinking about raising the shotgun to it because. I think, you know, when you're in that close proximity of seeing something like this, you quickly rationalize to yourself that, OK, we we understand that a Remington 870 12 gate shotgun will kill most anything in the forest. Ready to launch your business? Get started with the commerce platform made for entrepreneurs. Shopify is specially designed to help you start, run and grow your business with easy customizable themes that let you build your brand marketing tools that get your products out there, integrated shipping solutions that actually save you time from startups to scale ups online in person and on the go. 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But where where this thing. I probably right above its probably his hip area. That was in line with the top of where like the ground would have flattened out again. And so the rest of the top of the portion of this Sasquatch that I was looking at, it was easily three feet above. It easily. And for me, I'm only five foot seven. So there's I can't even stand next to a place like this and even get near to see it being six feet. So what ended up happening then is this it literally in and this this is crazy, too, because I didn't even see it bend its legs or anything at all. It literally was completely static stationary. And it's like it jumped straight up in the air right on top of this flat area and was gone, just gone. I didn't see any kind of like a squatting motion to even do a squat jump. I didn't see anything. Absolutely none of that. It was literally just there. And then all of a sudden it was up above there. And I'm not saying it teleported or any nonsense like that. It didn't do that. It jumped, but it did it in such a fluid way that like it was it was just effortless. It was completely effortless. That's that's what I would say. And then it took off. It went it ran straight and I didn't see it when it was running. I saw it for like that split second. But as it was running, you could hear it crashing. Like there was there was things breaking all through the forest until you didn't hear that sound anymore at all. And that that's when I decided right then and there that my three day trip was completely over with and right then and there I had completely turned around. I went back up fifty three back to forty two and back to my my truck the same day. And and I left and I actually I have not been back there since. But I've really I've been dying to go back there to that particular spot. But I just haven't the years have gone by and you know life happens. And I just haven't been back. But but that's that's what happened out there. And that's exactly how that went down. And since then, you know, I'm not like scared out of my mind or anything. Like the big bad Sasquatch is going to get you if you go in the floor. Nothing like that at all. Was I afraid? Yeah, I definitively was afraid. I'd be a fool to say I wasn't. Was I terrified out of my mind that it ruined my love for the outdoors or going out there? No, it didn't. It didn't at all. It's circumstantial that that's just what happened. And I've heard so many people's encounters that were that were bad. Some are good for me personally. I didn't have. I don't consider this a negative encounter. I didn't feel like my life was in danger. I didn't feel like my life was threatened. And I didn't actually even feel unsafe. I just felt afraid for what maybe could have happened. But but nothing did happen at all. The only thing that happened was I had a rock thrown at me, presumably at me or near me. And then I saw these footprints in the grass that I saw and then watched them disappear, not by magic, but just the environment retaking the grass. And then I saw a Sasquatch, probably 25 feet away from me, thinking it was a deadfall, broken tree. And I don't have any any more like fancy details or anything like that. That's how it happened. That's that that's what happened. And yeah, if you have any questions or anything, feel free to ask. Danny, what an incredible account. I mean, 25 feet is so so close. I mean, that's the length of like two smaller cars. It was really close. Yeah, it was really close. Some things I picked up while you were talking. So it's not like you saw this when you were in your truck. I mean, you're just out there on a Forest Service road. Yeah, you've got your you've got your gun with you. But I mean, this thing was so big. I mean, how how tall, how wide across would you say it was again? Easily. I mean, height wise, it couldn't have been less than nine feet. There's absolutely no way it was less than nine feet. That is 100 percent. Like I can I can I can guarantee that that was it was at least that's the minimal. And the width wise, wise on it. Man, it could have been up to like five feet. It was enormous. It was big. And like I said, when I first saw it, you know, it didn't look as big because like I didn't focus. It didn't all come into focus because of just how how the hair was. It accented and highlighted its anatomy so well that it actually hid the size until I was able to to really focus and then see the individual anatomical shape of this Sasquatch. My goodness. So I've been following along while you've been sharing and you've been really good with location stuff and so I was able to really get the the area for people that might be listening in their car that aren't able to. There's a few interesting things about that location. So this is like the western side of the Gifford Pinchot National National Forest. But yeah, if listeners know of the Silver Star Bigfoot photos that were taken in and I had this individual on my show a while back, this was 726 episode. That was about 20 miles south of where Danny is. And then you may have also heard of Cougar, Washington, which is a really active area. Right out there. Yeah. Exactly. Cougar. I mean, that's where Robert W. Morgan was for his documentary back in the 70s. That's about 10 or so miles northwest of where Danny is right now out in the woods. So he's he's far out there. I mean, yeah, they're easy. No, no, I mean, the only time you see anybody out there is somebody who's got really good suspension and they're driving a manual five speed truck and they know the area because you get out there on those service roads, you take a wrong turn and it's quite literally it's it's a wrong turn. And if you're out there in the in the fall, snow comes early out there as early as October. And I've been out there even in early, early November. And there's easily four or five feet of snow already out there. Oh my goodness. So you've got the you've got the eight seventy in hand. Yeah. When that when the big foot's in front of you at 25 feet at that point, do you feel like, let's say, if you even had to use the eight seventy, do you think it wouldn't even would have even made a difference? Not a chance. Not a chance. I mean, all it would have done, yeah, it definitely it would have penetrated for sure. It would have done done its job with double up buck and slug, but I penetrating, I don't think it would have done anything. It probably would have been considerably the same as if you shot a bear in the winter time with probably double up buck. The absolute most it's going to do is it's going to just lodge those those BBs, which are actually nine nine millimeter balls. It will just lodge them in the bear's fat. It won't even do anything. It won't penetrate. It won't kill. So if it will do that to a bear with with double up buck, there's absolutely nothing it's going to do to a Sasquatch. It didn't even cross my mind. It just didn't. It's it would have been out of the question that that would just yeah, it would be like, I don't know, like shooting a BB gun at like an F 15 fighter thinking you're going to shoot it down. Yeah, absolutely. I think it all comes down to, you know, having the right equipment and being prepared. And like, I know some people in this this field are really good at that. Some people that come to mind right away, you got Jesse and Joe from Halbert and Holler. They are really good. I don't know. Have you ever seen their stuff, Danny? You know, honestly, there's there's so many things that are out there. I try to I try to really listen to them all. Like, but it's it's just so hard to do. I know who they are. I've seen some of their stuff. But I get I get so lost in in tracking whose channel is what and who's done this and who's done that. But there are five or six like channels that I consistently follow. There's isn't I don't know it as well. But I definitively know about about that channel. Yeah, absolutely. So you're saying that you actually want to come back to this area someday. Oh, yeah, yeah, I do. And in and it's not like I was saying, it's not to go searching for Sasquatch. It's not to do that. It's not to go looking for Sasquatch. It's not to go bother a Sasquatch and create problems and disbalance in the forest. It's only to quite quite honestly, I want to find this mine, this old silver mine that's out there, because the information that I have on it is that there's still tracks and there's still silver carts and all this this really cool stuff in this mine. So so that's really the reason why I want to go back, which I haven't for years. And the reason why I was actually out there in the first place was for that. But I do want to absolutely go back and and I do want to search for this mine. But also I'm definitely interested in like discovering something I don't know what I'm looking for. You know, I don't want to say I'm going to go out there looking for tracks or looking for Bigfoot, but I definitely want to go back out there. Yeah, 100 percent. That's awesome. Being that close to Sasquatch, which is just crazy to think about. It's it's wild. Did you notice it? Did you smell anything out of the ordinary or or hear any, you know, like any noises it was making, things like that? No, no. And that yeah, that's another component to this, because I've heard countless stories of of pungent, horrible, terrible smells and odors and and grunting and and respirations and the sound of heavy breathing. I heard none of that and I smell absolutely nothing, nothing. The day was was really, really hot. It was in the afternoon, like I said, I think it was probably three thirty in the afternoon, if my memory serves me right. And there was no wind and it was about 85 or 90 degrees completely still. I smell absolutely nothing, nothing at all. Oh, you alluded to it earlier where you have found other other things that have occurred in this this area of the Gifford pinch show. But have you have you found other people having experiences that are documented in this exact area that you were at? In this area, I personally don't know anybody that had some experience or something in this particular area, but in other parts of the Gifford, they have had I've had friends like that Elk Hunt that have had experiences like this out in Trapper Creek. Ready to launch your business? Get started with the commerce platform made for entrepreneurs. Shopify is specially designed to help you start, run and grow your business with easy customizable themes that let you build your brand. Marketing tools that get your products out there. Integrated shipping solutions that actually save you time from startups to scale ups online, in person and on the go. Shopify is made for entrepreneurs like you. Sign up for your one dollar a month trial at Shopify.com slash setup. And I know you mentioned Silverstar out near Silverstar. And I have I have a friend. Well, I haven't talked to him in years. Maybe he doesn't even live in town anymore. I don't even know. But he he was Elk hunting up by if you look on your map there, if you're looking at it, if you look for a place called Zigzag Lake, he was up hunting up at Zigzag and he got he downed an elk. He got a big elk. And when he went up to get his elk, his elk was gone. It the body was taken by it. Not a bear, not that for sure, not a bear, because the elk it fell halfway into Zigzag Lake. It died there right there. And he saw it from from probably 300, 400 meters away. Once he downed this elk and when when he was going to it, he saw something come out of the forest, grab this elk, this bull elk at Zigzag Lake and take it wherever it took it and gone, took his elk, lost his tag. And that was it for his season. My goodness. So. And I can't remember how we haven't really gotten this specific. But so let's just say you're very familiar with this area. Oh, yeah. Earlier in life. Is it more common knowledge as everyone in this area know that there's something out there in the woods and when you get out there, you just got to be ready? Yeah, 100 percent. I know it's silly for people to say that they speak for others. But in this case, definitely everybody in Carson knows it's it's one of those things where everybody knows, but nobody nobody talks too much about it. And in Stevenson, the little town just right next door from Carson, I think it's like 12 miles away as the crow flies in Stevenson. They have a Sasquatch Cafe, a little Sasquatch Museum, and they have gigantic carvings that people make out of trees of Sasquatch. And they have roads named after Sasquatch all over in Stevenson. It's it's very, very common knowledge. It's it's very common. People know you go out to you go out to the Gifford, especially in this area. It nine out of ten times something is going to happen, whether you're looking forward or not. And in this in this area also, when I was telling you earlier, between Pelvy Creek and Jake's Creek, there's a big range called the Tatoosh Hills. Now, I didn't realize I only realized after doing research, but in indigenous Native American, Tatoosh actually means like Sasquatch. So the Tatoosh Hills are named like the Sasquatch Hills. And I didn't even make that connection until I started researching the indigenous tribes that were in this area and why they named it that. That's wild. I mean, in crazily enough or or oddly enough, that is something that you find in these areas of the Pacific Northwest and like so much so that a gentleman, his name is Henry Franzoni, he wrote an entire book about this. You can get on Amazon about how all these different places in the Pacific Northwest and actually all over the US have weird words like, you know, Abe Canyon or Devils Mountain or Devils Creek and just all these like or old, old Native American words to that have meaning, but we just have never learned them. And we've never bothered to look them up unless you like you did yourself. But have you heard of people having experiences in the Tatoosh Hills as well? Yeah, I can I can from myself. If you want to go into that for a little bit, I will probably won't take too long. But myself, yeah, I saw some read some actually I saw a footprint up there in the Tatoosh Hills and I'll try to describe it. I know we're not on camera or anything, but hopefully you'll be able to visualize. So I went up on the Tatoosh Hills because I wanted to I really wanted to see what was up there and it's actually really, really cool landscape. And I discovered that like the elk herds, they'll go up on top of the backbone of the Tatoosh Hills. And it seemed like they would use the Tatoosh Hills as like a highway system above everything else as like a defensible measure to keep themselves in the herd safe, probably during the night from predators. So I went up and I found a bunch of elk hooves and I found all kinds of tracks and stuff to tell me that elk are definitely up here. And the reason I did this is because, yeah, I'm a hunter as well. And these are the kinds of things that you do. You always want to get a big buck. You always want to put meat on the table. And the only way you're going to do that is if you go out and you and you look for places like this. So I was I was actually doing that. And this is on an entirely separate time. This isn't even the same the same day or the same month, the year, the same week. So I was on the Tatoosh right on the backbone. And I got pretty far to the backbone's end where it would then just come down the mountain. And if you look on on your Google Earth, you'll see where that road 53, it turns all the way around and then starts going down. Well, that's where the end of the Tatoosh Hills is starting to happen at. So oddly enough, I was I was getting towards the end of it on the on the backbone. And nature called, right? I was taking a leak. I was I was standing on the backbone, which was only maybe 20, 30 feet wide. And then it's like drop off like down to the canyon on both sides. So I'm on the backbone of it. I'm taking a leak and there's all these little bushes all over the place. I can't I can't tell you what kind of plants they were. They weren't trees, but they were they were bushes that were they looked like small little trees with little leaves. I don't even know what they were, but they were very, very thick. And I was in the middle of them and I was standing there taking a leak. And all these leaves and things are in front of my face. And I just happened to be I just focused in on this cluster of leaves in front of my face. Now, if you can imagine, there was we all know at the end of like a little branch, you'll have one one little branch that will go off to the left and like have a leaf on it. And then one little branch will go out to the right and have a leaf on it. Well, I was looking straight ahead and I and I and I saw this what I just described to you, but it was split completely down the middle, perfectly right down the middle. I don't know if you can envision that or imagine that, but it was split. And I'll try to explain better. It was as if somebody took their fingers and pinched really hard on one side and the other and they pulled it apart and split it. So I saw that and then I just kind of was looking around and I noticed, Jeremiah, there was a line of them like every five feet of these little teeny tiny branches all split at the same level. And I was thinking, I was like, I was like, the only way that these little branches could be split is if you literally you would have to have the strength to pull them apart and then leave them like that. And I thought it was the damnedest thing because it went all the way down to the end of the backbone, all these little tiny slits on this, on these little branches. When I got down to the bottom, almost the bottom, not the bottom, almost the bottom of the backbone down to where the road 53 wraps around to Tatoosh Hills, I found a perfect footprint, a perfect footprint. And it was so perfect, it was I just couldn't even believe like how perfect it was. And it was in this where an old tree stump would have been and it was completely rotted. So you get like, I don't know, just a bunch of rotted tree. And you know how it becomes really, really soft. And if you just you could grab a handful of it, it will crumble in your in your hand. That's what the material looked like, where the tree stump was. And the footprint was right in there. And it made the footprint so perfect because that the wood in that tree stump had been so rotted and so decomposed that it literally made like a perfect cast of a footprint in this footprint. It wasn't it was not as nearly as big as the one that I saw down on the road down towards Canyon Creek, but it was like 11 inches. And there's no way that any human being is walking around up there barefoot on the top of two shills and made a footprint. It just there's no way. So that yeah, that's that that's the extent of everything that I've got from from this area myself, but I there's a lot of stuff happens up there. That is that is wild stuff. And it's how exciting that in the future, you know, you are hopefully one day going to be able to go back to this to this area. Yeah, I mean, what a what a great conversation. I know you you have other maybe another story to share, but it sounds like it probably be for another day just because of course, to make sure we have the right amount of time to share it. Correct. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah, I have another one. Yeah, like we were talking about earlier that happened in Estiketa and this this one, yeah, this is a really, really, really crazy story. Yeah, we won't get into it. But like I said, if only I had the if I only had the balls to just look out the window, I would have absolutely seen something I probably didn't want to see. That's for sure. Right. Absolutely. So, you know, maybe we'll even have to set up a second time for you to come on. But a conversation maybe would be good to have for a few minutes is, you know, based on what you experienced, you're 25 feet away. Yeah. Did that give you any feelings or thoughts about, you know, what it is that we're dealing with with what Bigfoot is? Like, did you learn anything from being that close? What I learned and I know this is only my individual experience. I can't speak for others. Is the experience that I had, of course, it will be mine and only mine forever. But I, no matter what people think Sasquatch is or isn't or what it truly is or what it truly isn't, regardless of that, I think that, well, I know that it's real for sure. I know that there. No, no men in black can tell me it's not and nobody else can tell me it's not. I know it's real. And since I know that it is real, I know that it's flesh and blood and and I don't think it's some extraterrestrial origin and it teleports and all that. I've heard some wild stuff and to each their own, I don't judge anybody. Think what you want. That's not my problem. But anyways, I think that the Sasquatch or its family or its clan or its tribe or whatever it is, I don't think it wants problems with anybody. And I don't I don't think it wants to be bothered by anybody. And I don't think it goes looking for problems either. But I do think that when you hear these horror stories of Sasquatch, in my personal opinion, I think all these stories that you hear about bad encounters and negative encounters, I think there's elements of information that are left out of these stories that led up to having a negative encounter with a Sasquatch, whether people want to admit it or not, whether they even know or not. But we all know if you provoke something, then you're going to get a reaction. But it only comes from provocation. And so I think in my opinion, I think a Sasquatch in its whole existence is flesh and blood, very intelligent and doesn't want anything to do with anybody at all. Sasquatch isn't coming out of the forest, knocking on people's doors, trying to have conversations. It's always us as individuals or collectively going out. And like I said, having positive encounters or having negative encounters. And I just think that the ones that are negative, I think there's a lot of missing information that's being withheld from the person telling the story that led up to having a bad experience. So that's that's what I think. But I could be wrong. I don't know. I'm no expert. That's an extremely interesting way to think about it. Yeah, but Danny, such a such a great conversation. I mean, wow, thank you for taking the time to really share what was going on and where you were and, you know, let's let's definitely try to to set up a time for for you to come back on when you have the time to share about Estacada, Oregon. Definitely. I'd love to. Yeah, I haven't really talked about that with anybody besides my wife. And yeah, it's a pretty crazy, pretty crazy story. Yeah, I'd like to share. Have you ever heard all the accounts of big foot activity around Oak Ridge, Oregon? And you think to yourself, man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it for myself. Well, guess what? This year you can. If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July 10th through the 11th, 2026. It's going to be even better than the previous years. Reason number one, I'll be one of the speakers. It's going to be wild. I'll probably. I'll say this. 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