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There was my cousin's wedding, my college besties wedding, my other college besties wedding, my work besties wedding, my other work besties wedding, and then the wedding of the bestie I met at a random party back in my early 20s. It may not be 27 dresses, but 6 dresses is a lot too. Being a bridesmaid is expensive, but it pales in comparison to the actual nuptials. Last year my husband and I probably spent almost 60,000, could have been a little bit less, which was way more than we wanted to spend. Our price type for our wedding was $100,000. My husband and I were sitting around, we just had a baby being like, well they got brides, I held it all in our money garden, and the answer is like, it's a wedding. Spending without dress, honeymoon, minimum of $40,000 in Detroit. So that's what we're doing. It makes me want to vomit. I'm John Quillen Hill, and this week on Explain It to Me from Vox, we're going to the chapel, or the courthouse, or the winery, or wherever it is you want to say I do, and we're breaking down the cost of the modern wedding. Wedding planning wasn't always this intimidating. Karen Dunnick is a history professor at Muskingum University, and author of As Long As We Both Shall Love, The White Wedding in Post-War America. It was very much like a local, a community kind of thing, even sometimes just like your immediate family, and that people would have sort of, I think actually traditional celebrations where it would be relying on the local landscape, or flowers were available in the yard, or the community. If it was fall, like whatever sort of foliage, and those things would be brought into a home. I did some research at the University of Iowa and reading people's diaries where it would be rain this morning, married this afternoon. But the weather was the first thing that was referenced, and then the wedding was sort of the second most important thing that happened that day. Okay, how did we go from these modest productions to these even bigger productions that we have now? I would like really go into the 1920s as this moment of like advertising, and it becomes a much more democratized sort of celebration that has all of the things that I think a lot of people are familiar with, that there would be a white dress, that the groom would wear, formal attire, that there would be attendants who are wearing a particular kind of clothes, wedding showers, wedding registries, all of this sort of stuff, is very much a thing that becomes much more mainstream in post-World War II America. There really is a leaning into consumer expenditure, consumer display, and being part of an America that's very much about prosperity and plenty, and the wedding is a location where Americans are able to display that. What about the media at the time kind of lent itself to that? You know, like these people were getting these images from somewhere, right? Oh yeah, they were getting these images from everywhere. Brides Magazine, when it is first published, 1934 is like a New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, like a tri-state area kind of thing. It expands then to become a nationwide publication, but that's a magazine for people who are going to get married. If you open up Life Magazine, there is a Pyrex advertisement, and it is a woman in a wedding dress putting her Pyrex dish into the oven. And we're selling you the dish. We're not selling you the wedding, except guess what, we're selling you both of those things. That everything that is sold can possibly be sold by attaching it to a person dressed like a bride. I think in movies, when Elizabeth Taylor stars in Father of the Bride, like that wedding dress is the wedding dress that everybody wants. There are all of these ways that media can capitalize on an expanding marriage slash wedding culture. There are even ways that they can say, you know, okay, here are all the ways you cannot make mistakes for your wedding, playing on people's anxieties. Like the idea that this is, again, post-World War II America, this is a new place, like yesterday's news is yesterday's news, and you don't want to get caught up in it. Your parents don't know what they're talking about when it comes to getting married now, because they got married in the 1930s, and that's, you don't want a depression wedding. You want a 1950s wedding. So just sort of like laying a foundation for this is new and this is modern and previous generations couldn't possibly understand, so you better rely on the expertise that's available to you. During the 1960s and into the 1970s, with the advent of the counterculture, with the origins of women's liberation and a women's movement, feminists are still getting married. But when they get married, they're like, I will keep my own name. I will not be given away by a man at this wedding. I will be the decider of my own fate and walk myself down the aisle. Or, you know, this sort of traditional love, honor, and obey. Let's get the obey out of there. Every woman gets to choose, and that is women's lives. 1960s and to 1970s, you have people who are moving away from the sort of reception hall and saying, let's do it outside, let's commune with nature. People go wild because, like, some, very few, but some brides are like, yes, I'm in a worsen pants. Ooh, getting wild. Yeah, exactly. What will happen next? What was the wedding of the 80s? Was there, like, something that it was like, hey, y'all, this is the 80s and this is what wedding should be? Oh, yes, there was. And it's when Diana marries Prince Charles and people have, like, special English tea parties and get up early and watch the TV and look at her coming in, like, her carriage. And she is in an enormous white dress. The wedding dress of Lady Diana is in ivory pure silk taffeting. And look at it, isn't it fairy tale? She's gonna be a princess. That there is definitely, like, this sense of this is a fairy tale wedding. So my early ideas around weddings were in part going to them with my family, but also shows on TLC. What were those and how did they have an impact on what we expected from weddings at the time? Yeah, I think that sort of, like, late 90s early aughts were really influential for people, like a kind of reality TV that people really watched it, like, loved it. Emanuella, are you saying yes to the dress? Which of these brides will see her groom step out of the prize winners limo? Find out after four weddings. And I think it was sort of part and parcel of the media of that time period, too, when, like, glossy magazines were still a lot of the place, that InStyle had InStyle weddings, InStyle celebrity weddings. Like, I think in some ways, too, like, teaching them what they should be doing, like, we're all gonna go to a David's bridal. If you're getting married, you're gonna date his bridal. Creating a kind of, like, we all know what it looks like and we all know what this process is and we all know what to expect when we go do it. I would also say that people sometimes behave poorly on those shows. And there was a kind of enjoyment in, or, like, voyeurism. But I still think, also think enjoyment and, like, a superiority in being like, oh, I would never be like that. Or can you imagine somebody is like that? Yeah, like, Bridezilla. Yeah, and I would say, like, early 21st century, Bridezilla is definitely a language that, like, everybody is using all the time. So, we've talked about magazines, movies, reality TV, but I feel like the internet really super charged the wedding's arms race, too, right? I think in, like, a lot of different ways. Online registries, Pinterest, of course, to be like, oh, I'm gonna take these ideas. Who needs a wedding planner? When I can, like, find this and, like, sometimes, like, do it myself. And then, like, very clearly what's going on with, like, Facebook or Instagram. Or are we gonna, like, hashtag our wedding? Or ask people not to post any pictures of it because we want to have some, like, autonomy over that? Or, like, what is the timed release? That I think it's opened up, did you use the word super charge? Yeah, absolutely. And I think also, like, presents a lot of different ways that people can navigate what they want their weddings to be and or say about them. It really is staking a claim on where you are and who you want to be with. And for me, that's the ongoing appeal of it. Because otherwise, why would you be like, yes, I could put a down payment in a house where I could have this party. So weddings are a way to broadcast who we are to people. 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And you know you had an excellent wedding, if Shelby Wax knows about it. Strike a pose. She's the contributing weddings editor at Vogue. Meaning, she gets to pick which weddings end up in the studio, and she's the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one She gets to pick which weddings end up in the Story Magazines Online Photo Essays? They're a big feature with an edit of maybe about 40 to 80 photos from the wedding, this beautiful mix of images that really capture the essence of the day, the details of the day, tell the story, and then we also have a wonderful feature where we talk about your love story, the entire process of planning the wedding, those details that go into choosing the fashion, your experience and how you felt on the day. And I love a rom-com and I'm like, I'm just telling a love story here. So we're talking about how complicated and how expensive weddings have gotten through the years. Does a wedding need to be super expensive to get into vogue territory? Like, I don't know. When I think of vogue, I think of glamor. And glamor is often expensive. Well, okay, weddings, especially these days, are so, so expensive. But at the same time, it's not always the ones that spend a lot of money. Sometimes the ones I see that spend a lot of money are really not of the certain caliber I wanna feature because it seems like they're just throwing money at something and it doesn't feel intentional. My biggest thing I always think is when I look at these photos, do I wanna be a guest at this wedding? Ballpark, what's the average cost of a wedding these days? Let's say, you know, we're having 100 guests at this imaginary wedding. I would say like, in New York City, the average wedding is probably $100,000. Oh, wow. Like the, just based on the costs and how much it is for 100 people, yes. Like the cost for catering, the cost for photography, flowers, food, you know, say, if you're somewhere in the Midwest, I would say the average cost is probably closer to 30 to 40,000. It just really depends on the scale and also the vendors are choosing, you know, some of the top, top wedding photographers in the world charge $100,000, but there's other ones who charge $5,000 and that's a very big difference in your bottom line budget. You know, I talked to friends getting married and all that and I would say every single person I go to and I'm like, so how much over budget are you right now? And I've never heard someone say they were under budget. Wow. I want to get into the trends of it all. So we have an idea of how online trends move and how quickly they come and go. Things move a lot faster now, but how do wedding trends pop up? Does it come from somewhere like Vogue? Like, I don't know, is there a bridal version of the Cerulean sweater model? From the Devil Wears Prada. And it's sort of comical how you think that you've made a choice that exempts you from the fashion industry when in fact you're wearing a sweater that was selected for you by the people in this room. Oh, for sure. I mean, I think the wedding trend cycle has moved so, so much faster in the past few years, mainly due to social media. I would say there's now very much like, oh, this is the trend of the year and your wedding's gonna feel dated if you're, you know, doing, like, this year, everyone's talking about chartreuse and burgundy is apparently a very big color palette trend that's going on. Is anyone else getting attacked by the violent chartreuse and burgundy wedding content? You chose chartreuse and burgundy for your wedding colors thinking that it was gonna be timeless. I want whatever you're on. It can be a bit of an issue, I think, these days, too. Because I hear from planners, people are, especially a lot of their Gen Z clients, are so focused on the social media and that aspect of performance a little bit that they're really wanting to be on top of the trend cycles and then they're saying, well, I want to do this brand new thing and I saw this thing via chat GPT that I pulled up and a lot of times, their planners are like, well, first off, this isn't in your budget. This isn't even possible because this was AI generated or it just becomes something that's so overdone at a certain point. You think the thing that feels original is going to be everywhere because that's what's being blasted all over your Pinterest page. Yeah, when it comes to weddings, I feel like there are two things I hear. One, people being obsessed with being original and then on the other hand, it's people obsessed with like, I don't want it to look like a trend. It needs to look timeless. I know that there's some people that say that there's no such thing as a timeless wedding but truly there are things that just like never go out of style. I was told by our guests quite a few times that our wedding was timeless and that was my number one goal when designing my wedding. Right. I think it's... Well, the timeless thing is just ubiquitous. I think there's a degree of tradition that comes with weddings and something classic about them anyway. So I think that's where people hearken to the idea of I want it to be timeless. This is something we're going to be looking at generations ahead and I want it to still feel cool and beautiful and something that I look at the photos and don't cringe at. I understand it from like more that perspective but you know what? Everything is a time capsule. I mean, there's a degree of people wanting to feel original and unique but originally unique can often go along with what is popular at the time. As someone who writes and consults in the wedding industry, I don't know, have things gotten too extravagant and over the top? Have we kind of lost sight of what's important? Yes and no. I think, you know, I'm a very big proponent of do you and if you want to have a very extravagant wedding and you can reasonably afford it and, you know, make it work, great. Go for it. I think a degree of extravagance is okay on your wedding because when else are you going to have this big party and, you know, all the people you love there but at the same time, you know, do it within reason and, you know, keep it authentic as well. Sometimes when you want to go big on authenticity, you have to go small. That's coming up. This is Advertiser Konten from Starbucks. Oh my gosh, thank you. What question do you have for me today? Okay, talk to me about energy levels. Why is it that sometimes I feel total ways of exhaustion? So, like, you can't focus, you're falling asleep, that kind of thing? Exactly. 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So for some couples it is about budget, but for a lot of couples we find that it's more so about not wanting to be the center of attention. Some couples say, hey, I don't want to be surrounded by 200 people, a quarter of which maybe are my parents' friends or people that I've never met before. And then the other reason that we get a lot is being busy professionals, especially here in D.C., and not wanting to spend all of their extra time and money planning a wedding. We hear the phrase decision fatigue all of the time, and I think something that micro weddings can relieve is decision fatigue. We got calls from a few listeners who said they were fine with a small wedding, but their families are the ones who wanted the larger ones. And we were lucky enough to have our family's help. They each gave us $20,000, but those $20,000 also came with a lot of expectations and guest lists. We wanted to keep it small, but after a fairly large financial help from some family, they had requests to go big, and so we had to kind of honor that request. We always do get couples with parents who I think are not as thrilled that their children are choosing this path for their wedding. But I will say that after the micro wedding is over, what I hear a lot from parents is, oh, that was still really monumental, that was still really special. Thank you for including XYZ traditions. So I think people are surprised at how beautiful and still important and monumental a micro wedding can be. That's what the Lawtons experience. They're a couple who lives in Washington, DC. I'm Maris Lawton. And I am Mikayla Lawton. So we met on hinge. Ooh, an actual hinge success story. Okay. Yes. We, yeah, our first date was at a beer garden. We just kind of fell for each other really fast. Got married after dating for 18 months, and, you know, the rest is history. So we got married on October 12th of 2025, which was a Sunday of last year. Our wedding was very small. It was 18 people, including us. So it was really just immediate friends and family. Everyone traveled in and our wedding was at a really cute bed and breakfast here in DC. So all of our guests and us stayed at the bed and breakfast. We all slept there for two nights and then our actual ceremony and reception were held there as well. And it was just a really wonderful and intimate time that I don't think bigger weddings typically get when you have, you know, 100 plus people. Yeah. What were some of like the little details and like activities or like, what were some of the things that you all think made the wedding yall's wedding? I would say Maris and I are not very like traditional people. So we were not going to have a traditional wedding. We weren't going to go to the church. We weren't going to have, you know, a random person officiate us. Something that we both really wanted was we had personal officiants. So my sister and then Maris's cousin who we're very close with officiated our wedding. And that was really beautiful because they were able to share like a story about each of us and just kind of made it a lot more personal. I think we picked really fun music to walk down the aisle to. I walked out to an instrumental version of Pink Pony Club by a chapel rhone. Maris walked to Noah Kahn. And then when we finished the ceremony, we walked out to Hot to Go by Chapel Rhone. So that was super fun. And then we also included a surprise drag queen performance by Miss Sarah Tonan. That was a really heart surprise to keep for so long because we were so excited. And on top of that, at the end of the wedding, we ended up jumping in the pool in our dresses. Woo! Yay! Did you all always want to have a tiny wedding? How'd you come to that decision? So Michaela didn't want a wedding. And if I could have had it my way, I would have had hundreds of people. Like it would have been ginormous, but also money played a factor into that. So our compromise was the small wedding and it turned out to be literally the most perfect day ever. I wouldn't change it for a thing. There's no doubt in my mind, I wouldn't go back and have a big wedding if we redid it. Okay, so you all did this tiny wedding and weddings tend to be expensive. What did this run, y'all? Our wedding was around $30,000. Everything included, like including our dresses, our wedding planner fees, photographer, the B&B, everything. Our tiny wedding was a little more expensive, I would argue, because we did it in Washington, DC, proper. More expensive than it would be in a more rural area. So I would consider what is a special place that you would want to get married at? I think that is probably one of the first things. Second, I would say, what's going to make your wedding you? All of our little details that we did, the drag queen, the jumping in the pool, the, you know, I made our centerpieces for our table. Like all these little details, what is going to make the wedding you and how are you going to kind of shine through on that special day? Like, there's no wrong way to do a wedding. Every single wedding you go to is going to be different. Like, yes, there is the, like, stereotypical things people do at American weddings. And I think the ones that people enjoy the most as a guest are the ones that are so authentic to you and are so special. Like, just make it such a fun experience and make it whatever you would like, because, you know, you want it to be the day that you remember and it's just, have it be a party. I don't even know how I could follow that. Yes. That's it for this week. Thanks to the lottons and all the couples that called in to tell us about your weddings. Wishing each of you a long and happy marriage. 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