#3376 The Valley S3E08 Part One: What a Drag

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We're going to be partying slash memorizing songs. Um, yeah. So yeah. So thank you for your patience with that. Um, and now the valley, you know what I love about the valley? I think this is maybe the third season in a row. We're around this part of the season. I start to like get excited about the valley and you start to be like, this show is so fucking dark. I'm like, yes, yes, it is. Yes. You start feeding on the souls that this, this show is turning out. I am feeding on it. I mean, I will say, I mean, at the beginning of this season, everyone was like, oh my God, this season sucks. Like within like second episode, people were like, it's terrible. It's terrible. And I was like, well, I mean, it's not amazing. And the last season you had jacks, this boogeyman, but like, I hate to say it, but now that we have our new villain and Danny, like the show's kind of come alive a bit. I think, I mean, I've enjoyed the whole season so far in general, but now that there's like an urgency about, oh my goodness, there's this really bad guy on the show again. I find that I'm kind of like watching it in like my eyes are wide open. I'm attached to it. I'm riveted and I'm like, oh, I'm fired up. So yeah, I'm. Hey, listen, I respect, you know, I respect that. And I actually appreciate it because it helps, you know, because we both can't be bitter schmitter or it's really toxic to listen to. I just, I don't find, and I'm not saying you do, but the way I look at it is that I just don't find abusive men entertaining. I just don't find that entertaining. I think Danny is an abusive man. I think he's disgusting. I think he's just unwatchable and I don't enjoy watching it and I don't enjoy people enabling it, you know, um, Kristen, etc. I really don't like watching it. I just don't find it entertaining. I didn't find it entertaining with Jax. I don't find it entertaining with Danny. You know, the petty fights and stuff I'm into, but this is just too dark for me. I mean, if I'm going to see an abusive man, it better be on lifetime where they get their ass stomped. You know what I mean? I want to see Rob Lowe murdered, get up, you know, like he, you thought he was dead, but he's not dead and then he gets murdered again. I mean, like a triple murder of an abusive male if I'm going to be watching these shows. So this is just, this is too much for me. Isn't that our role though? Aren't we, aren't we the one who are worth the Meredith Baxter Bernie's? Yeah. Or isn't it us with a fire poker, like doing the stab? I mean, I think, uh, I actually, by the way, I joking aside, I think what you guys are doing is, I think what you sit, what you're saying is a completely, um, uh, I don't want to say a completely valid cause that sounds, when people say that's so valid, I'd actually sound so insincere. I think it's like a very legitimate. Bravo therapy speak. That's valid. Hey, by the way, I learned something today, Lindsay. Hey, Ronnie, can we do a check in? By the way, speaking of therapy speak, Nia. Wow. Can we just want to do a check in? Um, I think it's the totally legitimate thing to say. I would never ever say that watching these pig men is like, Oh, I'm never going to cheer for them. Never going to root that on. And I understand what you're saying. You don't even want to really, you don't even enjoy participating in the structures that are keeping them employed. For me, it's more like, I actually find it compelling to watch cause these are relationships that people find themselves in quite often. And I find it fascinating to watch it and to dissect it. And then we, uh, then we write the wrongs of the universe cause then we all pile in and be like, fuck you, you know, but, uh, for real, I find it to be compelling to watch these very human interactions because ultimately, uh, I, I will never stand for abuse. I will never stand for the mistreatment of people. Um, but what I, uh, what I do. I think what I stand for on reality TV is I stand for watching real issues and real dynamics. And that's always compelling to me as opposed to when something not real is happening. So it's not like, well, it's worth it cause it's real. It's more like that it's on TV. I'm like, I'm compelled by this dynamic and how everyone deals with it and weighing in on it. And I really enjoy the discussions that we all have around it. I think it's really fascinating. So, um, it's just sort of a different side of the coin, but it's, it's not to negate anything that you're saying. Now, yeah, look, you know, we all enjoy what we enjoy. I just, this is killing me and that's this whole drag thing. I just, they're just not funny people. Like they're just not fun enough to pull this off. I think like aside from the, I think aside from the abusive men thing that they've got going on, they've got a problem with just having a lot of uncharismatic people in one place and they're filming it. What are you saying? I did gymnastics. I will threaten you with a good time. I am full of charisma. Yeah. It's like, just put a, just put a hidden camera in a food court and let's just watch that, you know, which actually I probably would enjoy. But, um, you know, that's not that you're nor there. And I also understand if people are listening to a show about a show, you're generally listening because you're a fan of the show. And it's really not fun to have someone who's just like, this show sucks. All right. I'll talk about it for two hours. How much it sucks. So I don't want to fall into that either, but, um, it's just, you know, I normally like this show. It's just, uh, it's a rough, it's a rough season for me. And I think it's also because it's airing at the same time as other things on Bravo that are just equally kind of like, you know, it really is just a slew of things at one time. I mean, you've got this, you've got, um, below deck, the pigs on below deck and that whole, you know, like. Jenna back and forth thing going on. And then it's followed by Southern hospitality with Emmys, microaggressions that just go on and on and on. And it's like 13 episodes in a row of this shit. Nobody does anything and she's still there, still showing up. And so I think the end of the week is starting to like, it's just like a dark cloud. The end of the week. I'm like, oh my God, geez. Can we lighten up here a little, but I'm going to take my own advice. I'm like, not because it's a recap day. So let's get to her. Yeah. Find the, find the joy in these situations, which is you can just unleash, unleash and go nuts. Yeah. I'm not in the fetal position or anything, you know, but if we're giving it, if we're, if we're going to give like a opening, you know, how I feel about this show. That's how I feel. It sucks. But we'll have fun doing what we do. That's for sure. It's the Valley season three episode eight misbehavior. Yeah. Well, in case you somehow forgot, we were in the prep stages of this beauty pageant where the men are going to be in drag and Danny is being a total asshole, a huge idiotic annoying asshole while also wearing a wig that makes them look like Jan Brady, which is funny. He wishes he looked like Jan Brady. Jan Brady was cute. Well, it's Jan Brady styled hair, I should say. But he looks like the orange. He just in a wig. You know what he looks like? There's like a certain cartoon character. This is a great reference by me. There's a certain cartoon character that I can't remember his name of. That's what he looks like. So everyone just think about it. Um, he has a pinched butt face. I think he looks like a pinch dimpled butt. He's like a rejected Smurf. Um, so here's the thing. So they are, he is being a huge dick, a huge dick. You know, it's like it's one of those things where at first you thought, oh, he's he's being jokey competitive. He's in character, but it's it's teetered out of that into he's just being a dick and he's drunk and everyone's uncomfortable and he and Lala basically just told him like, knock it off. And then he said, and she said, you know, this is triggering or something. And I was like, oh, Miss Triggered, Miss Triggered, Miss Triggered, Miss Triggered. So he's making fun of her for saying that she's triggered by him and Lala really does not like that. Yeah. And he's like, oh, Lala, she's triggered everybody. And she's like, okay, Daniel, fucking knock it off. Stugs. I'm not fucking with you right now. Okay. You're not going to come and be passive aggressive because what happens when you're passive aggressive? I'm just aggressive. All right, bitch. You better step off the car before I curb stump your ass. Bound to pop bitch. She's going on her full. There's no aggression here though. There's no aggression. What's she talking about? Don't do that shit to me, Danny. It's like, well, you did it to me first. She's like, well, you're being aggressive and disrespectful to your wife. Hi. Okay. Take a beat. Come on, guys. Can we have a check in? Can we have a check in? I feel that when you say that it makes me feel me happy quiet with the therapy talk. Okay. She's Miss Triggered over there. But I liked it because Nia was like, take a beat and hear her. And she's like, well, I'm very disrespect, you know, it's very disrespectful, you know, saying I'm triggered instead of being like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Nia. I'm a little in my feelings and I just want to look good. You're being passive aggressive and saying trigger, trigger and mocking me. Mocked you're mocking me. And he's like, yeah, and she didn't even say anything. Yeah. And you mocked me and you were very disrespectful to me and I don't like that. And he's like, but you don't even know what happened before it. Danny just fucking stop. He never stops with the excuses and the, you know, and then he comes out this week. First of all, he didn't show up for watch what happens live, which was pretty funny because he was supposed to be on. He says, Oh, I have a, I have this big huge movie that I'm in. Okay, Danny. So he didn't come to that because he doesn't want to take the public out cry. Oh, cause we all hate his ass now. And so he's not going to show up. So he's a wuss. And then he puts out this Instagram apology to Nia. Did you see that? Yeah. I did. Or it's like, age long chat GPT or Nia GPT. I should say. Yeah. To my dreamies. Treaties. You know, like, give me a break. Danny, no one's buying it. It was a little fucking laugh. Yeah. It was all the things like ours. Todd, I was trashed and I was alcohol, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All the, it was just so, it was just so typical. And of course he puts it up right after the episode immediately doing damage control, but I love when Danny said, you don't know what happened beforehand. And Lolli goes, what could she possibly have done to make you pissed off about a fucking synthetic wig? Exactly. What there, there is just nothing that happened before that could have justified this sort of reaction. He's like, I should not have done a bath away. I got was nothing about what had been done. Well, I didn't like the way you were talking to her. So I said something and he's like, can you hear la la? Can you just let her express her feelings? Could you just pretend she's not, you know, pretend doing a two-pot impersonation? Just listen. And Danny's like, you don't have the right. You don't have the right to do that. So clearly I do cause I did it. She does have the right. So Lala says the vibes I get from Danny's and Nia's feels suffocating to me. Okay. I think there's like a lot that she's pushed under the rug and I feel so badly for her because she moved all the way up to Santa Clarita and still doesn't have enough room for her rug. Terrible. So Lala, I mean, yeah, Santa Clarita is a big rug to be pushing things under. It's a very, very, very big uncomfortable rug. Yeah. You know, when people get married, when people do this shit in public and then someone else says something like, this is none of your business. You mind your own fucking business. You made it my business when you did this in front of me. You know, there was a lady in a Ross. I think it was a Ross. I was in a Ross for less. My old, my old haunting grounds and my hunting grounds. Anyway, um, yeah, I was in there one day and this lady was yelling at her kids so bad and then started smacking her kid, like hitting the kid. And it's like a little kid, you know, I mean, what do you, a little kid in a Ross, like I don't think you're allowed to be well behaved as a little kid in a Ross, even that well be, even though adults aren't well behaved in there, they just pick up the clothes and they throw them directly on the ground. Okay. We've all been to Ross and she started hitting the kid and I went, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And then she tried to come at me and she was like, you mind your own fucking business. And I was like, nah, this is public, ma'am. And I stayed calm until the lost prevention guy came over. I was like, what the hell? You don't get to do, you don't get to beat your kid in public and then we're all supposed to stay silent. You know, it's like, how we say it takes a village to raise a kid, but it also takes a village to turn feather a bitch. So watch it. You know, I'm the village. Well, your villages suck in 1600s takes a village, but just remember the which trials happened in the village too. Exactly. Do not forget where villages are capable of child beaters. Can do a lot. Have you ever read the lottery? Oh, yeah. Um, so, go watch the village. Not a, not a happy movie, but also the villages can produce some, uh, some very gay music. Which people do a lot. I'm just saying, let's not, let's not make villages a one trick pony. Villages can also come for you. You know what I mean? Villages, villages, villages can raise things and they can also destroy things, that's right. Things and create culture. Um, exactly. Right. That was like that. That was it. It takes a village to do a podcast. I'll tell you that much. Um, so by the way, villagers are so tired, so tired of doing all this stuff for other people. I'm leaving the village. Seriously. Takes a valley. Um, so Lala's like, I don't like what just went down and I don't, I didn't, I didn't like how you tried to mock me. That wasn't okay. And it's like, no, and that's okay. Well, I mean, that's not okay. It's fine. I can't do a check in with something. Boss can do a check in with you. And Lala's like, I'm just trying to convey to you that I don't like it and don't fucking talk to me that way. You've got the wrong one. You've got the wrong one. And Lala always does that. You've got the wrong one. I'm always like, okay, Lala, but her doing it to Danny was very satisfying to me. Cause it's like, you know, you get your, you even the enemy of your enemy and kind of thing is your friend because I think Lala had a good, good episode. Honestly, I have to say for all the like anti anti like Lala on the valley, no one wants her. I think she's been doing perfectly fine. I have actually no issues with Lala on this show so far. I think she's, she's spoken up about the things that she should speak up about. She's advocated for things. She's gotten into the mix. Tom Schwartz on the other hand, waste of space. I don't, I don't know what this Rick and Morty character is doing here. So I think he should go, but Lala, I think honestly, I think she's earned her keep her Rick and Morty character. Lala, you know, look, Lala, I think the problem with Lala is just like, why? You know, it's like we're, the show is doing fine on its own without these non value ads, I think. And if you're going to go in the, in the, in the direction of like adding things to the show, add another fucked up couple. You know, like, do we really think the question, I think the basic question was, was anybody asking for more Lala? No, but we got, we got more Lala and, you know, in situations like this, you know, she's, I definitely think this was a good one for her for sure. So I'll agree there, but that's, you know, that's also why it's uncomfortable because, you know, you're watching the show and it's like making you kind of root for Janet in a way, you know, in a roundabout way. And it's just when Bravo does that and they flip, it's like they get you going one way and then they flip the script on you and you're like, oh my God, but it's like, all my beliefs, you know, it's like my. I believe. Yeah. They're, they're turning and I'm questioning everything. And how did I not see this last year? And like, you know, it's like a lot of personal identity crisis that I'm going through because of this show and I don't need that. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crap in's commercial. Sometimes it's easy to forget the simple things in life. Like just how good nature can taste. That's why eat natural have been combining nature's most delicious ingredients to create irresistible fruit and that bar since 1997. 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Now, because why should we really don't need to recap the show? Right? No, isn't it always? I just go over Janet timelines. Set. I was I was you want call me on our day off. Let's do it again then. Well, I, you know, I was honestly at the end of this episode. I was really so dismayed with Danny. And I just feel like he's, he's so, he's so rude to Nia and he really is a problem. And you know, there was a lot of talk at the end of the episode. There's a lot of talk about like, you know, God forbid if you say anything about about Danny. That sort of was like Danny and Nia, but like really Danny, like you get, you get raked over the coals. Look at what happened to Janet. Like that's where the last scene of this episode. And I was like, it inspired me to go back and rewatch that dinner at Brittany's Airbnb or her rental that she had last season, which is really, I think when there was the major break between Nia and Janet, or one could even say Janet and a large part of the group. And I sort of going back and looking at it, it made me, I don't know, with this greater context, I actually, I'm going to say that I really do think that like Janet got, I think an unfair amount of hate. I'm going to say it. I think Janet was a disaster. I'm not going to say she wasn't a disaster. I think she was a disaster. I think she was a total asshole in the second half of the season for sure. But if you really look at it, the timeline is fascinating to me. So first we have, I'm sorry, I'm going to pause here because I'm about to monologue and I, before I monologue, I want to do a check-in with you, Ronnie. I want to do a check-in. No, I'm here. I'm here. Yeah. Go for it. I'm sat. First, they say I'm belted in because I did research. Okay. I did empirical research until I got bored. Um, which is how science works. That's how science really works. Still is why we don't have the cure for the common cold. It just gets boring. You know, Ronnie, I'm just, I feel like there will be stuff I'm going to bring up that's going to annoy you. Um, and so just preparing you. Um, okay. So do you want me to just stay quiet the whole time? Are you asking for silence? Go ahead. Go ahead. I'll make a little. No, I think it, I think if you get it, I think if you get annoyed, I think chime in, but we just have to remember I have to get back to the my full timeline because if I only give like a half of the store, half of what I have to say, then I'll sound like a total asshole. Okay. I'm just going to listen and take notes. Okay. So it starts with in Santa Barbara, they go on a group trip. Danny arrives to the group trip late. Remember? And so he starts drinking really hard to catch up and he drinks really hard and he gets wasted and he, he passes out and there's a whole thing about at that dinner where Nia's like, Danny's just taking a nap. He's not at dinner and he's like, he's just taking a nap. He needs to take a nap. He's so tired and Jasmine gets annoyed because she's like, what, why are we saying that he's like, Oh, taking a nap? He's like wasted. He passed out because Jasmine is, uh, she had this whole issue with Danny. And so she is like a bit on edge about the fact that like when he gets wasted, he has bad things happen. He goes to dark side Danny and now we're just going to act like, oh, he's just taking a nap, whatever. He's drinking in a way that is like different from the rest of the group to the point where he winds up passing out yada, yada. So they have like a little bit of a fight. So we come to this group dinner and at the group dinner, they're there to sort of like sort of smooth things over from that squabble that happened in Santa Barbara and Jasmine and Brittany both apologized to Nia for, you know, judging Danny's quote unquote nap. Right. It's really not their place. It's not their place to judge the fact that he net like napped yada, yada, yada. And they just say, we just thought in that moment, it felt like you were trying to hide something and it sort of triggered something in us. And then Nia tells a story about how she doesn't hide things. And in fact, she grew up, uh, she was homeless when she grew up and she had a really tough upbringing and they would dig for cans in the, in, in the trash to, to recycle, to make some money for food. And so she learned that she just has to smile and move forward. So while it may look like she hides things, it's just her coping mechanism because her tough upbringing bringing brought that out on her. At which point Kristen hears this story and it's like, well, she's been through. I will never let anyone say anything bad about her ever again. So now Nia has earned Kristen's undying devotion through this story and you know, it's a compelling story. So everything, they're all, everything's nice. And then Janet says, by the way, well, and Nia says, and I don't, I don't hide. I don't hide anything. Like it's like, I smile, I put on a smile face, but like you can talk to me about anything. So Janet says, well, there was this one weird moment. I was in the cupboard or not the cupboard. I shrank and was in a cupboard. I was in the pantry and Danny came in and started chugging tequila with the door closed and I felt uncomfortable because if this was like a hidden drinking thing, I didn't want to be accomplished. I don't want to be part of it. If it was something that wasn't meant to be seen, she's basically saying, I don't want to get dragged into whatever this is. And it was uncomfortable for me. And Nia's like, Nia's clearly not totally happy with this story. And then Janet says, you know, by the way, I had an ex who had like drug and alcohol, you know, issues. And if you ever have any concerns about his, his drinking, you can always like come talk to me or talk to us because we've been down this path. At which point Nia then says, you know what? Like that was an overstep. That's an overstep to imply that. And I actually feel like what Danny and I have worked through so hard is now being weaponized against us. And now Kristen's mad at Janet. Everyone's mad at Janet for making this overstep. And then from there, it spirals and then Janet is on defense and Janet becomes a disaster and she just is terrible for the rest of the season. But this, if you really look at it, what really happened was Janet was like, yeah, Danny was drinking in a way that made me feel uncomfortable. And because she said this and questioned Danny and Nia, Kristen was like, how dare you? And it became a whole thing and I sent her off a thing. And I just kind of feel like what Janet brought up was not the worst thing in the world. And now we're seeing Danny when he drinks acts in ways that makes people feel very, very, very uncomfortable. And it should have been brought to light. That was my very long model log. Okay. So here's what I'll say about that because I think that that's, um, you know, that's something that's being re-litigated now all over the place. It's like, oh my God, Janet's been right this whole time, blah, blah, blah. Janet has not been right this whole time. And I'm going to tell you why. Just because Danny is, here's the situation. It's kind of putting me in. And I feel like a lot of people, I know it's not me personally, but as a as a viewer, it's how I feel. Marjorie Taylor Green, awful human being, monster. You know, I don't care even where you stand politically. Okay. I know that I'm not even talking about politics. I'm just saying as a human being, she sucks. She's, she's a horrible human being. And then at some point she came out against Trump like she got mad at Trump. And so she started turning that anger on Trump and then people were like, Oh my God, Marjorie Taylor Green is amazing. When did this happen? It's like, no, she's still a fucking monster. She's just a monster that is fighting somebody that I approve of right now. We have to like keep that in mind. You know what I mean? So that's my basic feeling because everything you, everything you were bringing up. Yes. The trip to Santa Barbara, the reason that Brittany, first of all, Jasmine was mad because she wanted to confront Danny again about this, you know, grabbing her ass, which is her right by the way. And that was my opinion back then as well. That was her right to do it. And she was pissed that Danny went to bed. Brittany was pissed because she was having this whole relationship blow up with Jackson. She felt like she's putting everything on TV. And meanwhile, Nia is getting to act like everything's perfect. How I felt at the time is still how I felt. If your husband goes out and gets too drunk and decides to go to bed instead of coming and filming and looking like a drunk idiot on TV, to me, that's a good move. Like to me, that was a good move. It's like, you know, was it a good move to get too drunk? No, but they're on vacation. He's tired. He had the kids. I got that. I got the like Danny wants to like whatever blow some steam off and go to bed. He's tired and he's wasted and it's better to not be on TV and embarrass your wife and yourself. So I thought that was a good move. As far as like Nia trying to hide things, I think just because someone's life isn't imploding on TV. I mean, doesn't that just make them smarter? Like I didn't, I didn't fault Nia for that. I think the reason she got pissed at Janet was because Janet had already been coming at Danny and trying to prove a point against Danny and then sat down under the guise of like, I really care for you. You're an NA, right? We all know you're an NA, which was a big thing with that too, which was kind of outing her and he was like, what the fuck? I haven't talked about being an NA. So that was a huge overstep and then being like, well, I have a husband who's got drug and alcohol problems too. Well, you've got Jax who's like a complete cokehead, you know, abusing his wife, which everybody knew at the time. And so Janet, it's like your enemy is like, oh, it's concern trolling. It's like, oh, Nia, let's set you down on TV and now let's talk about what how what an alcoholic your husband is. So I could see how Nia was like, fuck you guys. Like this is not cool. Okay. Now this stuff this year. So I don't think that Janet's off the hook because Janet took that stuff so far to the point where it was at the reunion where she was like, oh, really? Well, Danny is grabbing multiple women. We all know Dan, you know, she took it really far and they were like, what? Who? Who are you talking about? She's like, oh, we all know it's multiple women and doing all of this. So Janet took something that was that could have been from anybody else. Real concern. If it was from somebody else like, listen, Danny's to the point where he's, I don't know if it was handled differently, it would be one thing, but it's the fact that it was your enemy coming at you and then making it a TV thing like that. Now let's talk about your husband being an alcoholic that really set Nia off. So I think last year I'm not going to give Janet a ton of points for last year. Even if they had them, because Jack's had great points too. I mean, there was a tweet, an old tweet of Jack's as it came out when someone was like, oh my God, Danny and Nia are couple goals. Like Danny is just amazing in their couple goals and Jack's replied, we'll see how this ages, you know, so that's being retweeted a lot now. So it's not that nobody had a good point. It's like, that's your enemy doing it. If it had been Kristen or somebody like that, that would have been different. But I think Janet, even though she may have had some seeds of a point was doing it kind of it from a vindictive place. You know what I mean? So I'm not going to completely write the history of Janet, but I will say that this year Janet is really coming back and whether you're buying it or not, it takes me a long time to buy it. So I don't really yet, but I think she's doing a good job at like trying to come and restart with people. So I'll give her credit for that. And I think her apology to Nia today was pretty good and Nia was an idiot for the way she handled it. But yeah, I'm just not really ready to like give Janet a whole rewrite of history because she was still an asshole. And I, you know what? I'm not sure I would ask you to do that. I just feel like looking at it back, I think it's more like the extreme hate that she received from the audience was driven in large part by this idea that Danny and Nia were a couple goals and they seem to be the only functional couple on the show and Janet just goes after them and she was a hundred percent terrible at the reunion. She just got worse and worse over the course of the seasons, you know, saying sexual assault, all this stuff. And but I think the, I think she's one of these people that when she gets like cornered, like with like so many reality stars, when she gets cornered, she gets entrenched in a, in a, in her stance and then she just gets worse and worse and worse. And I think that ultimately I, I looking back at it, I honestly didn't even see it so much as really concerned trolling when I watched it the second time, I just saw it as someone being like, Hey, this was like a weird moment. Um, if there are issues with the drinking, like, you know, you can talk to us about it. Like I really didn't see it as anything deeper than that. And Nia immediately became very defensive. And I, and I agreed, like you should be able to, if you want to hail stuff behind closed doors, we just had this whole talk about the village. If you don't want the village getting involved, you keep it behind closed doors, but it's like, Danny has an issue here and Janet picked up on it and like mentioned something and very quickly Kristen and others went and like, we're like making Janet seem like the devil right away. And then we all kind of just went with it and Janet didn't help. Janet really helped the case for Kristen, but the truth is I actually think in retrospect, if you look at this, this inflection point, I, I don't think that what Janet did was really so bad. Well, it's all in the delivery. E it's all in the delivery. I mean, I really think that Janet is her own worst enemy. You know, she absolutely is. I enjoy her as a villain. I enjoy a bumbling villain. Like I think it's like so funny that Janet is a big villain. You know, especially on a show where you have really toxic, toxic people and like doing terrible things. And then you just have Janet who's just like, you know, stepping in, you know, bear traps and knocking over boxes in her villainy. And I just think it's funny. Yeah. I think she's just as toxic as the rest. And that's kind of the problem is like they're all, they're all so toxic in their own ways. I mean, you could really go down a path with each one of them. It's like, okay, well, Kristin, you know, she's being a good friend, but then look at everything Kristin's done and look at all the boneheaded decisions Kristin's made over the years and the reason she got canceled in the first place and like we could go down that with almost every single person on this cast, which makes it hard to really stick up for anybody ever because ever yikes. You're like, look who you're sticking up for, right? Yeah. So anyway, that's interesting though, cause all that stuff is coming up again. So thank you for the, you know, for the research. Yeah. For the research. And then the best part about the research is that when I was done watching the scene, um, I just like closed my laptop. The next day I opened up the laptop and where it had closed at pause and it was on a promo for ladies of London because of this episode was recorded a few weeks ago and right there in the promo was a pull quote from us. I had no idea that we were being used in a pull quote on Bravo all this time. I was so excited. I was like, Oh my God, it's her name. Mom, I don't know. I'm so glad you sent that to me. I never would have known that either. That was really neat. Like, of course that means that shows probably going to get canceled. And I'm sorry. Whenever it's endorsed by watch it crap and since out in two seconds, you know, sorry, gallery girls. Sorry, we did that to you gallery girls. Um, so, okay, but here we are. And this year is this year and I'm completely, I'm completely on this side. You were just on right now because right now it's like, this is all happening. And it's like, well, yeah, now you don't get to have, now you've crossed this point where you don't get to have your like, well, it's private. We're just going to keep and you don't have the right to say anything. Yes, we fucking do sir. So Nia's like, Oh my God, Daniel, can we just take a breather and reset? I need us to have a good time. So Lala leaves and goes to Zach and Brittany and she's like, you little fucking shrimp. I mean, listen here, Polly pocket and Zach's like, hold on. Sorry, I'm trying to put on my makeup. She's like, you're what you're not going to do is fucking mock me. I mean, you got the wrong fucking one and I'm offended by him. Do you understand me? And Brittany's like, that's not okay. Like using both Tom and vinegar on chicken wings. Not okay. When he gets mouthy, he gets mouthy. Yeah, by the way, look how good Zach looks though. Oh, look, he's got boobies. Okay. So now Nia is, um, she's making some sashes and everything and Danny is like, Hey, can you do one that she has mis triggered instead of misunderstood? And then other people are getting dressed. Tom looks crazy. Tom looks truly crazy in his dress and then Zach has boobs are bouncing up and down. So he's very excited. And then Janet, Michelle are helping Tom with his walk and telling him how to walk and everything. And then, uh, Danny walks into the kitchen and Nia's there. And Nia's like, okay, well, these are the judges. I get away from the judges, Danny, get away. You can't be near the judges. It's going to bias them. And he's like, what are we are a team? Nia, we are a team. You can't tell me to walk away. Don't talk to me like that. Don't talk to me like that. Well, he's actually trying to be fun now because he's just gotten me all that. So they're in front of everyone. So he's like, we're a chain, babe. I can tell your shift in energy and I appreciate that. I love you, Daniel, which is also making me crazy. The Nia following him around, trying to make it okay all the time and trying to smooth it over, you know, and he's like, don't talk to me like that. And she's like, what? And so he comes in for a kiss and she's like, I just got your exhausting. Like I can't, I'm just exhausted. I keep on, I keep getting more frustrated by the way that Daniel's speaking to me and I don't know why he doesn't get it. Like I'm just trying to tell him this is not cool and I love you. And I know you're trying to be a competitive and character and all that, but it's just like not working. And I just feel really uncomfortable and like, but rather than getting angry, I just like walk away and I just try to center and be calm. Please get angry with him. I think that would be really great if she got angry with him. Yeah, he needs it. Yeah. So she's trying to make it nice and she's like, okay, ladies, you did a really great job. We're going to be scoring our performance outfits and, um, you know, that's what's going to make up the final scores. So now they start doing it. Gondesden number one is a Miz judged and Tom comes out. Um, God bless his heart. God bless his heart. I mean, it was, they, they also like, they definitely trolled him giving that little blonde Bob like Coke bottle glasses and the whole they made him look as bad as possible. And then Jesse, uh, Jesse does his walk. Jesse has like sort of like a big blonde, cruelly wigs or 80s style and he sort of stumbles and then, um, and then, uh, Luke comes in. Luke looks so crazy. Luke, he looks like a cartoon carrot. Like it's just, he's like, he looks like, or like beaker. Yeah. Like what beaker? He looks like Carrie from the movie. Carrie. He's just in this crazy drag and, um, then Zach comes in. This is just a whole pageant of everything. So, uh, they, they all are judging and everything. They're all, they're all, oh, but it's so awkward when Danny comes in cause everybody just hates Danny's guts at this point and he comes in, he's trying to be like hilarious and it's like, wow. Great. It's like it ruined the whole, this, this Danny thing just kind of ruined the energy of the whole night. So it's like, wasn't this fun? These guys are like trying to be funny and hilarious and drag and everyone's just like, wow, really fun. Yay, boobies hilarious. And he's just like trying to like gyrate and stuff and nobody's buying it. So, um, Zach's like, Tom came out looking like a cross between Edna mode from the Incredibles in like bootlegs, like Cinderella, the asthma stigmatism, like what? And Jasmine says that Jesse is giving Ann and Nicole Smith vibes, trim spa baby, which of course is a call back to the fact that Jesse and Ann and Nicole Smith did some, uh, did some photos together. And then Kristen's like, Zach looks like a whore that like Tom Schwartz probably banged back in the early 2000s. Huh. Like you, like you mean your best friend, Katie Maloney. And you, I know what you're talking about here. She's like, who would ever sleep with him in the 2000s? I'm like, you know, that he was been with your best friend during that timeframe. Right. She probably just met one of the people that Tom, one of the multiples that Tom cheated with. Sometimes it's easy to forget the simple things in life, like just how good nature can taste. That's why eat natural have been combining nature's most delicious ingredients to create irresistible fruit and nut bars since 1997. Chewy, nutty, yummy, just as nature intended with options for extra fiber and protein to eat natural bars are perfect for an on the go bite or a mid morning snack. When nature tastes this good, why overcomplicate it? Pick up an eat natural bar after this episode also available in the meal deal. 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This isn't like, so Jesse's like, I'm kind of disappointed. I didn't make it to top three. I think my little stumble threw me off a bit. Yeah. I guess there's always next year, but you know, you know, like Danny and Jesse are legitimately very upset about this. You can see they went to bed that night. Like, should one, this is rigged against me. I fucking hate this. And it's all your fault. Yeah. And he's probably like, me as your fault. Me, I told you, you didn't take this serious enough. Um, so there was, so Zach initially wins, but it turns out it's a mistake. It's a La La Land moment and it's actually Luke who wins. Wow. So, um, now we're speechless. Sometimes there are no winners. You know, I feel like maybe, maybe beauty contested in that way. Sometimes like guys, I'm sorry. There are no winners tonight. Okay. And this, in this pageant of Miss America, America lost. Okay. Go home. Everybody. I'll tell you where we did win. Um, like for the now, the rest of this evening and, and the rest of the scenes, uh, Danny remains in his dress, but that is way gone. So he's just like walking around this little gold debt dress, which I thought was like very funny. It was like a little Tina Turner dress. Um, so then they go outside, Danny and I go outside and Danny is like, there's no one's even out here. He's like upset. He's upset that the outside doesn't have people out there. So this is nice. And we haven't been out here. Isn't this nice to be out here? Oh my goodness. We haven't seen any of this stuff. Look, it's a table. Have you ever seen a table before? Wow. It's a lawn. And he's like, why do I still have all this? Sean, I don't know. Take it off. It's a lot. And he's like, okay, what's going on? And so she's like, well, it is hard to have a serious conversation with you dress like that. And he's like, why'd you do me dirty like that? She's like, what? And he's like, uh, she goes, my love. And he goes, what? She's like, I do want to talk to you. I mean, I want you to hear me and maybe you can put your foot down. You know, I'd like, I feel like you get your foot off the table. That'd be great. I feel like things got really tense earlier. And he's like, are you talking about you and me or me and la la? And she says, you and me, like it's getting intense, you know, and I'd like to communicate and I know you're just trying to be playful, but you know, it's got getting to the, it got to the point where other people in the house felt the energy and other people felt they need to speak needed to speak up. And I was speaking up and you weren't even listening to me. So I just want to like check in with you. Well, it's a competition and you know me, I'm super competitive. I'm like, this was not the NBA finals. Okay. It was a stupid drag show that the producers said you had to put on because they wanted a fun game section in the vacation. And then people are not coming up and then people are coming up and they're saying, I'm triggered by how you're speaking to your wife or whatever. Even though I was like joking. And she goes, I know, but I was telling you it wasn't making me feel good in that moment. Yeah. So now the girls are talking in another room and la la's like, something is not right there. And Jen is like, okay, tell us what happened. And so she tells, she does. And she's like, you know, and now then he's this miss, miss triggered thing. And now he's mocking me. And you know, if he feels comfortable talking to her, I mean, like talking to me that way, set me aside, he feels comfortable talking to me that way. Like, who the fuck do you think you are, sir? Well, back out, shout to me. You know what, la la, she should have said, I'm triggered because this is how I should be by my partner. Like we're on the same level as her and that person is like, okay. And he was very, you know, please, Danny, I just want to, can I finish? No, no, because yes, I can. Oh, you just want to interrupt me. Is that how it goes? She's like, Daniel, it's not about la la. So you have a problem. Well, if I tell you, I'm not able to receive your playfulness right now. Well, you don't have to raise your voice. I don't raise my voice. This, and this is when I started throwing things at the TV. You don't have to raise your voice. And I had to raise my voice. Yes, you did. You raised your voice to the point where people stepped in, bro. The whole house heard it. And this whole like, well, how dare she compare me to Rand? Well, I mean, you don't want to be compared to be a piece of shit. Don't come out of an asshole, Daniel. You know, so, um, she's like, you know, like, I just feel like you're, you're not hearing me now and you weren't hearing me before. Like, can you hear me and acknowledge me and make me feel heard? Of course. And can you like listen to me? He's like, I hear you. Uh, you don't have to raise your voice. Oh, oh God. The yelling. Nia raised and she's like, can you hear me? Oh, geez. The yelling, stop yelling. Oh my God. Oh, geez. Nia, the famous Yeller of the Valley. Yeah. God, I hate it when she always is flying off a handle. Uh, so Lala says, I think, uh, I think he's to me to her and nobody says anything. What is going on? And Janet's like, well, if you say things, it gets very, very bad for you. And she's like, well, guess what? Do you know what? You were onto something and no one wants to admit it, but I just watched it out there and everyone's letting it slide. And this poor sweet woman is sitting here, trying to keep a brave face and has four kids and she's out here and he's out here screaming her about a fucking wig. But yeah. Yep. If I had to guess what Danny and his relationship is like behind closed doors, he probably struggles with little man's syndromesk where he's got to like buck up show who's the boss all the time. And I think that's like really deeply rooted in their face. And like from what I know about what that he like about that is that he is the king and you were there to support. And honestly, I was actually really happy to hear Lala say this because I kind of feel like this is something that is being kind of skated around. Like it's been meant, no, people talk about it, um, online, you see it in comments, you know, but I think no one, no one has really gone there because people don't want to sort of drag religion into it and make it a thing about religion and make it into a big deep thing. But the truth is we're all kind of thinking it. And the fact that Lala said it on camera, I actually plot her for. Yeah. Yeah. And people are like, well, I have the right to my religion. You do, but you're not above the criticism of it. And if your religion is telling women they're second class citizens, then you're going to get some pushback. SARS village again. Sorry. Village calling. Village. The village is called. By the way, by the way, did we, uh, do we, a few weeks ago, we said that, um, they seem like totally the type that goes to, um, is it a wasis? Waysis is the one on the. No, um, no, it's, it's the one it's where you break glass and you put it back together. What's that called? Mosaic mosaic mosaic. And apparently they actually do go there. Someone said, I was like, yep, of course they do actually got a mosaic. Yes, of course they do. Um, well, I'm looking up mosaic cause I know I have to actually. I'm like, by the way, actually now I feel like I have to, I have to double confirm that as like we're about to talk about like their faith and everything. But I was just giving ourselves paths in the back for having a good read on a situation and that's it. Um, but yeah, I think it's, uh, I thought that was really cool that Lala called that out. And so Nia is like, it's just frustrating because I feel like you're not listening to music. Well, after I already shed, I apologize and I hear what you're saying. Give me a break. Okay. How about, how about this? Nell Carter, why don't you give us a break? Because I'm sick of you being so rude to your wife right now. She has protected you now for two and a half seasons and she's trying to enjoy yourself. She's had a baby stuck to her boob for like years and years and years. And she just wants to ride a fucking roller coaster and put you in a wig. Can you just be nice to her for once? Yeah. And he's not having it. And, um, he's like, well, after I already shed, I apologize and I hear what you're saying, give me a break Nia. She's like, well, I feel like the give me a break part was really dismissive. Okay. Maybe just an apology and not saying, give me a break right after. And, uh, Lala is still going off about what a problem he is and she's right. And Michelle's like, well, I mean, we have all earned something and then we have to pretend that it does not exist. And she says, yeah, everybody in the group stays quiet. When it comes to Danny, cause they don't want to be the, the new Janet, you know, and so Janet's like, yeah, public enemy. Number one, if you say anything other than they're perfect and Lala's like, well, they're far from it. That's for sure. So Nia's like, let me chat more in the morning. You want to go to bed, huh? You want to go to bed? And, uh, so then they go inside though and they're doing roses, body shots. Yeah. Yeah. And Danny's like, what is this? What's going on in here? Oh, Zack, you had told your boobies like this and put the chocolate in the middle. Okay. I said, dude, come on. Oh, and then he's like, yeah, geez. And Zack's like, Nia, are you like not having sex with your man? No, she's not. No, she's not. He can't even feel it. Yeah. Because Danny's like grabbing Zach's boobs and like getting all over Danny and, um, uh, he's like, is he even getting laid? And he's like, yeah, I'm not getting laid at all. I just hate him so much. He's the worst. He's like the worst every moment he gets worse. So Danny's like, I'm going to just have one more beer and get out of here. And so now Nia comes in and pulls Danny to the side again. And she's like, my love, I need you to take your makeup off. Cause she sees he's going back to drinking and like, you know, it's like, uh, someone who had a storyline last year of, you know, grabbing butts is like jumping on Zach Lang on a table, grabbing his boobs. Like granted, it's all in jest, but it's like, do you even remember the last year or sir? You know, yeah. Exactly. So she's like, let's get him the fuck out of here. You know, so she's like, and I want to preserve my lashes. We should get out of here. And so they walk away and he's like, I can't believe you said that shit. Cause you're Mike's and I'm Mike's. So please help me take your heels off. Thank you. He's like, that was so stupid. Okay. Okay, Daniel, you're tired. You had a long day. And he's like, I would never say that stuff to you. I would never say that stuff. I mean, you're actively, whatever it is that you're mad about now about the lashes, whatever you are actually doing this. You're being so much worse than anything that she could have ever said. And she's just trying to manage him and be like, okay, let's go inside. And he's like, I don't understand why you shed that to me. Oh my God. Yeah. And he's telling us, I'm just trying to have some fun. What's going on here? We're a team. Like this isn't how we operate. We don't have these conversations all around other people. I mean, we do this in private. Yeah, but you're the one making a public. You're the one be rating her in public. So. Yeah. And it's been two days of it too, by the way. Again, this isn't just like a bad night. You showed up on this trip, all pissy, and you've been, you're pissy at the amusement park and you're pissy here. Like you're just, you're showing your true colors. And he's going to try and make it, which he ends up doing, but you know, I was thinking at this point, he's going to try and make this all like, Oh, it was one drunken night guys. No, it's not. It's this entire fucking season. You've been a monster. And especially this trip, you've been an absolute prick. This whole time. So you can't blame the alcohol on everything. And honestly, you know what? I think it's, it's time somebody stood up for Tito's. Like, why does Tito's get blamed for every goddamn thing in the world? Like take some personal responsibility. I am so sick of people blaming alcohol for everything. Yeah. Geez. Yeah. Hey everyone, this is the end of part one of this recap for part two. Keep an eye on your podcast feed. 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