We're Terrified of Technology | Trash Taste #286

Yo, what's up? Welcome back to another episode of the Trash Taste podcast. I'm your host for today, Joey, and I'm with the boys, Gant and Connor, as usual. Gants in the middle of a fucking shadowverse game right now. We were about to record and Gant booted up a shadow. I thought I thought normally we have like a little bit of a break. We did have a little bit of a break. Not enough for a shadow. Look, look, look. It's done. It's done. Okay. It's done. I've won. Of course. Oh, wow. Wow. Of course. I want to get some number one rank or something. What do you mean? Like you ranked like on the like a numbered ladder. So in the original shadowverse, I got top 100 on the ladder. Damn. Wow. But I was, I don't know. I just had this stupidly powerful deck that nobody, not many people were using. And then I was just like, I keep winning. Let's just see how far I can get. And then I stopped when I cracked top 100. But and then Dynas got me back into shadowverse. Could you have kept going when you got to top 100? Could you have think you could have kept climbing? It's like, you know, once you get, you've played competitive games before. You get to a point where you're just like, I'm just grinding for the sake of grinding. You know? Yeah. It's like that. There's a quote. Alexander, when he looked at the breadth of his domain, he wept for there was no more land to conquer or something. You get to a point in competitive games. This is again, why I think I stopped where I was like, I'm getting, I would play casually get to the rank where I would casually get to, like without putting much thought into it. And then it was like, okay, I can probably get out of like, I'd say like most of the time, let's just say diamond. Like I comfortably get diamond in most games. To get beyond that, was an uncomfortable amount of grinding and intensive grinding. Yeah. That's when like dedication starts to kick in. Yeah. And you know, some people are very much down for that. And that's there are times in my life where I really enjoyed that. But there are a lot of times in my life where I'm like, you do it for six hours and you plus minus zero and you're like, what was it all for? At least when I lose. It's for the fun of the game. If you lose a bunch of LP, you're like, shit day, my teammates were brain dead. They were the fucking worst that diaper munchers. But then when you go zero, it's that, it's that meme from the cyberpunk, you know, when he's like, he's like faces like fucked up. He's like, you know, I don't know what that meme is. I don't know what's called, but it's this face of utter defeat. Yeah. The face. Yeah. That's called it. It's called the David Martinez face stare. And it's this moment where David and cyberpunk looks so defeated. And it's the face that you get from a fucking long ass day of fucking doing nothing. And you feel utterly fucking useless as a human being. So I get that now. And once I get that once during a gameplay grind, I'm out. Like the moment I feel like I've wasted a day, I'm like, what does it for? Because it may be like, you know, maybe God was like, let's hang that day. And I was like, ah, sorry, I'm busy. Sorry, I'm grinding. But that's it, right? Like I would trade my life. To grind on this ladder. And what for? At least God has, you know, managed to find the time during a trash taste recording to find this guy. It's great when a game is just like five minutes. I suppose you have to like sit down for at least like 40 minutes. Yeah. I got to master pretty comfortably one time. And I had that moment where I was like, I think I might be able to like, for the first time in my life get challenger. And then I started grinding and it was, it was, it was becoming a slog of like, I'm not winning as comfortably as I was before. Yeah. I'm losing a lot more times now. And I'm like, I as cool as this would be for me. And maybe there's something in me that really needs this validation. Yeah. I was like, I just can't, I can't justify this. Yeah. See, it's, it's awful. This game is like awful for me because I don't even like care about the ladder. I just use it for stimming. That's what, no. But that's what I was doing with TFT. I was not using it for fun. It was like, I have an hour and a half, three. I ultimately, I don't want to do the work that I probably should be doing. All the little tasks that are annoying answering those five emails that are so easy to answer. And I can do it in five minutes, but something about my brain doesn't want me to do it. So I'll just waste an hour and a half playing two games and like ruining my day, not feeling good about it. It's that classic thing of like, I don't want to do my homework. So I'm going to randomly start rearranging my room for no reason. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I realized I stopped watching YouTube shorts and like scrolling, but my fingers were just like, I want to do something with the phone. So I just, I want this movement. I just want this movement. So I just play the card game. And I'm like, fuck. Fuck's sake, Nidus. Yeah. I try not to get into anything multiplayer. Yeah. I very intensively chose single player things. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. That's, that's a big reason why I never got into like the competitive gaming stuff because it's like, maybe I'm just not a competitive person. But like, I, because I started that with like, um, with like the Pokemon TCG game that came out as well. Yeah. And I got to like a certain rank where I was pretty comfortable. And then after that, I'm just like, now this is like getting too like serious for the people I'm going up against. And it's just like, what am I doing? This is not worth it. I think it's, it's like, it's like, I imagine painting is, I don't know. I don't do it, but I imagine it in a sense like, I feel like I'm just, when I'm doing it casually, I'm just throwing shit on the canvas. I'm not thinking about it. Yeah. But the difference when you want to climb is you have to actually start analyzing. You're like, okay, why did I do this? Okay. If I actually want to improve, I probably need to start doing this. Right. I probably need to be even way more conscious about maybe certain things in the game. Power spikes, key moments, key turning points. Like, it's like, and then it becomes work in a sense. And then sometimes I'm super down for it, but a lot of the times now I'm like, I'd rather watch a movie because I used to be that guy. I was that guy who I was like, I'm a gamer and I've played five games. Yeah. But I've played five of those games like 5000 hours. Yeah. And I've, you know, you're playing against other players all the time. Yeah. It's called getting older. This is, but you know, I don't see a lot of people who swap sides. What do you mean? Oh, what? They just like, if you start as a competitor, you're a competitor. People I know who grow up with story games only, not really multiplayer games. Maybe they, maybe they casually play a couple of league games with their friends on the weekends. But like most of the time I noticed people don't really swap, swap camps. Well, if they're, if they're die hard, single player games, they don't normally hop ship and become multiplayer gamers and vice versa. I'm sure you, we all know that gamer friend who is literally only played, but plays a lot of only multiplayer games. Yeah. Like if they're not playing against or with someone, they're not playing it. Yeah. On the opposite, I've played a lot of single player games, but I very rarely get hooked on a multiplayer game or like a competitive game. And it is very funny when the two groups clash and argue because it's like, you guys, you guys do two different things. Sapples and oranges. This is like a, like a, like a hot tub or jacuzzi enjoy talking to a swimmer. Yeah. Which is like, we're technically doing the same thing. We're in the water. We're both in a body of water. We're both in the water, but we're both doing very different things in that water. We're having completely different experiences. That is true. I mean, that's how I, at least I see it. Yeah, that's true. But I feel like I'm like, I can relate to both. I'm like, I'm like fucking trying to feel both sides. Yeah. You're trying to be like the ultimate game of life form where you just like, I want to, I want to cover all bases. Yeah. Yeah. But then I realized that I felt like I was gaming illiterate because I mean, because I had only played multiplayer games. Oh, I see. People would talk to you about gaming all the time. And you're like, yeah, I fucking, I do it 12 hours a day. But then it's like, I, I could tell you which league champs are a good matchup here. And that's what that got me. Right, right. Do you, this is a sound of a good question. Is gaming a hobby? Yeah. I fucking love games. I game off stream all the time. Why does it sound so dirty to say gaming is a hobby? You know, it's, it's like, you know what I mean? Where people ask you, what's your hobbies? And you, you're just like, I don't want to say gaming. It's like, it's like the closest activity you can do as a human as a hobby to like smoking weed. In the sense that like it is such a non sometimes, I don't know. It's like, it's got this like a lazy vibe. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's anything good watching anime, you know? Yeah. Yeah. You never want to say your hobby is watching anime, even if your hobby is watching anime. But I don't know. It's weird because like watching TV, okay. Watching movies. Oh, that's a valid hobby. Yeah. I was about to say like, why is that? Why is it that like if you say you watch anime, then you're like, okay, I watch anime. The prestige that comes with cinema. Oh, I see. Movies, cinema, you know, obviously massive inspirations for a lot of medium. I think that's maybe my, my guess for it. Also everyone plays games, you know? Yeah. But everyone watches movies. Oh, it's, you know, there's different levels. You know what I mean? I don't think everyone watches movies. Yeah. You don't think? I think some people will watch the classic blockbuster or the big one that people are talking about. Right. Not everyone get like, he, he is like a movie fan because he goes to the cinema. Yeah. He is a movie fan. He's a cinema fan. He's a movie guy. Yeah. That's, that's. I really enjoyed the cinema experience. Yeah. But I don't think that makes it, but then I feel lame when I even when people ask me like, what do you do? I'm like, I like movies and games. I feel lame as far as I say that. Because people, you know, as a, as a, as a YouTube podcast or whatever, people always ask that'll be like, what do you do outside of, you know, that? Yeah. Cause a lot of people see that and they want to know what you do. And I'm like, I go, Jim, I hang out my friends and I watch movies or play games. Do you think maybe it's because they're very, very, very, you got the trifecta. And you like to drink as well. I love drinking. I love drinking. The trifecta of like degeneracy, anime, movies, games, drinking. That's, that's the way I do my best. Do you think maybe it's because they're like too common of a hobby? Yeah. I think cause people, people want to hear something like violin. They want to hear something like something intellectual. They want to hear something that sounds like it's pushing me. Oh, right. Like something unique. Okay. Actually, this is, this is a good discussion. I think actually, I don't think that at all. What I actually think is that I think me, I think I'm judging myself because I feel like I should have more hobbies that challenge me more. Yeah. Me too. Me too. And so then I think when I hear that question, I think I get self-conscious. Movies, video games, just working out. Cause even though I do think like working out and exercising is working on yourself, I don't think a lot of people, or at least I, maybe I don't even see it that way, but I feel like a lot of people don't see it like that. They don't see that as like a valid hobby. They see that more as you having to exist. You have to do that. Yeah. But I do think like it's, it's, you know, doing sports. Working out is a hobby. Yeah. It's a joy thing. Absolutely. But maybe I feel self-conscious that I don't have something like I, I appreciate woodworking or, or, uh, you know, I, I, is it, is I'm like, what am I doing here? What's my chemistry going on here? I get what you're saying, but I, I don't agree with the whole thing of like, oh, if you like gaming or you like movies, that's not an intellectually, you know, challenging thing. I think I think that about myself because I'm self-conscious about it. Perhaps. Yeah. Right. You put yourself at a higher standard. Well, I don't, I think if I'm a lower standard. Well, no, no, no. Like in terms of like when you look at your hobbies, right, you, you don't think that like, oh, I need something that's, I need a hobby. I feel like I need a hobby that is intellectually going to, you know, stimulate me a lot more, but you don't see gaming in movies as that for some reason. I think maybe because I feel like I'm definitely is, I feel like I'm lacking in a lot of areas in my life. Right. Like I could be a lot better at Japanese, for example. And I feel like if I, you know, if I had made that a hobby more, I'd be much better at it. Right. And perhaps I feel self-conscious about that fact and maybe other things too. But I think for me gaming and movies sometimes feel like an easy, an easy thing to spend my time on. Yeah. And I, but I really love those things. Like I really fucking love. I just, I just don't want to be a boring person. That's basically what it comes down to. I do think there is a crime that you can do as a human being is, is being boring. Right. Like not allowing yourself experiences or unique things or trying new stuff and just kind of not giving yourself any experiences. Okay. God, then same question to you. If someone asks you, hey, God, what do you do as a hobby? What do you say? It's hard because I turn a lot of my hobbies into jobs now. Okay. I watched your video. Yeah. Joey, you made this video. Yes. Where you said like, okay, well, actually you should, what's your video? You should tell us what it was. Yeah. So I made this video, which I forgot what the title was. I think it was like, nobody has any hobbies anymore. And I kind of, yeah, it's like, if people thought I was like calling certain people, I was like, no, I wasn't calling anyone out. I've just seen this with a lot of people today where it's like, I feel a lot of people are so quick to turn or want to turn their hobbies into a job. And I think that might be because of the whole like content creator thing, right? Because every content creator at one point turned their hobby into a job. Like that's how you fucking started your career. But I feel like now because of that, and because now everybody wants to be a content creator, when people think like, oh, I need to start investing myself into a hobby, they immediately think, they don't think to themselves, okay, I'm doing this because it's immediately fun and it's just fun. And I want to do it because I want to just like spend my time with it or, you know, want to learn something about it. But I feel so many people are so quick to be like, how can I make money out of this? Yeah, that's that's that's my issue. Because if I would say like, when am I spending a lot of my spare time in right now? It's like, well, I've been getting into creative writing ever since I, you know, ever since I made by and I'm like, damn, I really, really enjoy just creating stuff and writing. But then I'm like, is that a hobby? Or is that like now turning into me doing work? You know, you know what I mean? I feel there's a fine line now between what you see as a hobby and what you see as a side hobby. Because because it's like, it's not what I do for my main, you know, my living. This is definitely like side project stuff. Yes. But is side project stuff hobby or side project something different? I don't know. I'm not doing it. That was the question I was posing in my video, right? Two, one question, both of you. Yeah. How much do you think, Jerry, that you being a YouTuber and surrounded by YouTubers affects your view on this? See, that was like the biggest criticism I got from that video because people are like, oh, you're living in a bubble with this opinion because you're surrounded by content creators. But I'm like, yes, I have content creator fans, but I also see the same phenomenon with non content creators. Where you're in like private life or in my private life, like with just like my regular friends were not content creators at all. Like they have this weird kind of pressure. And, you know, maybe it's because they're friends with me and I'm a content creator, but I feel like especially there's this weird almost pressure to be like, oh, because I have a friend who turned their hobby into a successful job and they're still having fun with whatever it is that I also need to do the same in order to like garner the most success or whatever. However you want to dictate that, right? I think it's like just a little deep in that. I think, I think you also don't see when people aren't making it their hobby. Because you'd only ever see the times they are. Because most hobbies is like a very like a like a soul individual experience, right? It's just like you doing that thing, you know, every now and then, yeah, you know, there are parts like say, for example, if you like play sport with other people, right? Like that's a shared hobby that you do with other people. But you know, things like Gunpla, for instance, that's a great hobby, but you don't share that with people necessarily. I also noticed that when people are, even if they're not creators, if they know a creator or in the vicinity of them, that they are more likely to try and become a creator. Yes, yes. Because it feels, you know, there's someone that they can easily ask or talk to for advice or can, you know, maybe perhaps they're inspired by it or something. Yeah, which I don't think there's anything wrong with. Yeah. But that's why I think that maybe it might feel like it's happening a lot more than perhaps it is. I mean, I think it goes down to, I think it comes down to number one, nobody has any time anymore and number two, people are fucking struggling to just get by, man. No, you don't understand. You don't understand. You know, a lot of my friends who are not content creators, it's basically it comes down to, look, I'm just trying to pay rent and I can't always use valuable time on something that isn't a side hustle. Yeah. Unfortunately. No, and I stress that exact point in my video when I said, this I completely understand this is a first wall problem. Like I completely understand this is a first wall problem. And I know there's a ton of people out there, as you said, who are just trying to get by. And I'm not trying to downplay those people. But what I was saying is that I feel now that in the content creator kind of society or the content creator landscape now where content creators just fucking everywhere, too many people are just too quick to being like, I'm going to turn that hobby into a job because I see a successful person. And it's like, yeah, you can do that. That's fine. If that's something you want to do, go for it. I'm not going to stop anyone. But what I think is important is to just have that balance. You can have some hobbies that you want to grind and turn into a job. But I think it's also equally important to have hobbies that you just want to keep as a hobby because you enjoy doing it. But Joey, have we content creators if we don't min max our lives? The question I was going to ask you, Garnt, is that you mentioned obviously screenwriting. Yeah. And you're like, is it a hobby? Is it the job? I guess in a sense, I would ask, you know, I imagine the ability to spend more time on it is by making it a job. Like you're passionate about it. You want to give it the time. If it stays as a hobby, is it hard for you to justify investing time in it? No. I mean, right now it's kind of just, I just found a passion. And I don't know if it's ever going to lead to anything. I don't know if it's, but I, it's still, I'm still passionate about it. Yeah. I'm still very interested about it. I think that's a great word though, to define the kind of middle ground between a hobby and a side hustle though. It's just a passion. It's just something that you love doing that hopefully maybe one day you can eventually find a path where it can turn into a job. But if it doesn't, you're still cool with it because you enjoy doing it. Yeah. You know, and I think that's, I think that's important for everybody to have, you know. Yeah. But also like a recent thing, a recent term people have been throwing around. I swear this is a recent trend. It's foodie. Everyone's a foodie nowadays. Is that a hobby? Is that a passion? Yeah. Like a foodie. Like taking pictures of food? No, no, no, no. Like just. What's a foodie? Just going out and eating good food. Yeah. I have had a couple of my friends say this, but they're normally a little, if they're doing well in life. Being a foodie is like the most expensive hobby. Right. You're just like, you're like, what are you doing? I just eat at expensive restaurants. Also foodie is like you need to be eating at expensive restaurants? No, no, no. I wouldn't say that. It's they go out of their way to find different experiences. But normally different experiences are expensive, you know, because that, you know, you try to get something unique. Yeah. And it's also just going to a place and being like, oh, there's this fucking ramen shop that's, you know, blew up on TikTok or whatever. And I got to try it because it's, it's, you know, everyone's talking about. It's a big talk. Yeah. I'm so fucking annoyed. I'm so annoyed at my friends and they do this. Really? Yes. Okay. So first of all, you know, a lot of people when they, you know, LA and LA hype, just because I'm trying to give background and explain my thought process here. Sure. You know, that's like a big thing like hype a new store show it off. Okay. How many, how many restaurants do you think there are in all of LA? Does it ever feel like you're a marketing professional just speaking into the void, but with LinkedIn ads, you can know you're reaching the right decision makers, a network of 130 million of them. In fact, you can even target buyers by job title industry, company, role, seniority, skills, company revenue. And did I say job title yet get started today and see how you can avoid the void and reach the right buyers with LinkedIn ads, spend 200 pounds on your first campaign and get a 200 pound credit for the next one. Go to LinkedIn.com slash lead to claim your offer terms and conditions apply. I don't know. Okay. There's like three million. How many million? 300,000. Can we be factually this? And then I think how many restaurants do you think there are in Tokyo? Correctively. I think Tokyo has the most amount of restaurants out of any city in the world, right? Yeah. If I'm not mistaken. Okay. 11,000. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. I think I think I think Tokyo has like, I don't actually say three million. I think I was going to say, I think Tokyo is like 10x that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 160,000. So it's like an insane amount. More. Right. And that's why like when, when you try to bring this like hype culture to, to Tokyo, I just don't think it works because there are so many restaurants in Tokyo and you cannot exist unless you are good. Yeah. Bad restaurants go out of business very quickly. Yeah. You will, if you walk down, anyone who's lived in Tokyo will tell you, if you walk down the, like a busy street, a couple of those restaurants will just disappear unless they are like owned by mom and pop and they've actually owned the land and the stores that are paying rent. But like a lot of them just disappear. Ramen restaurants have one of the highest turnover of any industry or business in Japan because it's raised at thin margins. It is an absolute passion game. The point of this is to say, there is no one place that is the spot. Literally, you walk down the street and just go to like the second ramen store you'll see in Tokyo and it'll, it'll blow your fucking mind. Yeah. It's so good. And this is why the whole like, you know, TikTok lining up. It's like, why would you travel so goddamn far across Tokyo, wait three hours just to get a picture of a place that everyone else goes to literally walk out of your hotel room. There'll be something that will fucking gap everything else. Yeah. I agree. And it's not to say that like these places aren't good. Ichiran is amazing. I like Ichiran. Jirin kind of like it. Debatable. But the mom and pop shop will, it's, it's, it's like the final boss, the dark souls. It's not even close. It's the original boss. It's like, yeah, you can have those. Don't worry, it'll be good. But like the point is, is that like you, you should just go to literally anywhere and you will have good food. Don't worry about it too much, you know? And then I, because I had this one friend, like I really want to get tonkatsu and I sent them like three or four restaurants near where they're staying. And I was like, cool. And then at the end of their trip, I was like, oh, did you go to the, any of the places I sent you? And I was like, no, I went to this one and I was like, oh, okay. And I was like, can I see it? I was like, oh, it's fire. I'd love to check it out. It was like the most popular thing on tick tock. And it was like, I was like, how long did you wait in line? Two and a half hours for tonkatsu. You don't wait for tonkatsu. The whole point of that food is that you eat it right away. That's diabolical. Two and a half hours for tonkatsu. Two and a half hours for anything is not worth it. And it was like the opposite side of Tokyo from where they were staying. Oh my God. See, that's, I was like, I was so annoyed. And I was like, I'm glad you had a good time. But why didn't you listen to me? Do you think I just lied to you? Do you not trust me? You trust some random guy who was here on vacation for two weeks and made videos about this place. That's who you trust. And I guarantee the margin of quality between that place that they went to that tick tock recommended and the one you recommended is not even that fast. It's like probably like the, it's probably like maybe a little bit better. Yeah. Like maybe it's, maybe it's better. Maybe it's not, but like, it's like, you know, there are certain foods where it's like, this should be instant. Yeah. Tonkatsu, you should get in the restaurant and be having it within five minutes. Yeah. Totally. You should have to fucking line up for Tonkatsu. That's all. No, no. That's, no. It's the type of like the vibe that I feel with Tonkatsu is that it is like, it's like ramen. It's like Tonkatsu. It's one of those foods that you and your friends might go check out. If it's for you're like, okay, well the ramen place is right there anyway. Let's just go there. You know, you don't really line up a lot of the time, although they do line up in Japan as well. Don't get me wrong. They do. But you know, you can, they have so many options. That's so good. Sorry for the rant. I remember when Mudan was in Japan last time and I hung out with him for one of his videos and he was like, oh Joey, I really want to go to, go get lunch at this particular place. And I was like, oh, okay. Sure. I just want to go to, if it's the Gyukatsu place. No, no, no. So, and he was like kind of smoking about us. I was like, oh, okay. I wonder what this is, but whatever. I'll follow him. He took me to that fucking Onigiri place. You made the short all. Onigiri bongo. The Onigiri bongo. Okay, but that Onigiri is heat. It is heat. I've never fucking lined up for that shit. I'm never lining up for that. We got really lucky because we managed to get in right before a massive line started to queue. So we were like, You just sit down. Yeah. Yeah. So we were like second or third in line. But by the time we went in, ordered the Onigiri and came out. Mind you, this is a span of maybe two minutes. If that there was a queue that was about 50 people long. And I'm like, look guys, it's not worth it. No, it's not. It's really normal. I mean, like it is phenomenal Onigiri. Oh, it's great Onigiri. But you can make this shit at home. Yeah. It's just one of those foods. Yeah. It's just one of those foods you can make at home. This is like akin to having a British place that's famous for like beans and toast. It doesn't make sense. It's not the food that like... It makes no sense. But it is, you know, it's good food. And like the reason why I made a video on it was because I realized that people were lining up for this. And I saw so many short people lining up for it. And the whole time I realized you can just call up and reserve. Yeah. Like your Onigiri, but you can't eat it in there. You have to go. Yeah. Which is okay. Fine. Whatever. Like that's sure. Yeah. We went to that like small little like... The L-Table. Yeah. The L-Table thing. Yeah. And you get like the Miso and you get like a set. So yeah, you do definitely get a better experience eating in. But is it worth waiting two hours? Fuck no. Especially if you're on vacation. Like you're on vacation. A good chunk of a day should not be taken up by lining up for Onigiri. No. But also we're also the people that go to theme parks and I see a line and I'm like, nah. I don't want to do that. That's why I don't like theme parks. You know? But it's like, I don't... I feel sad when people feel pressured to go to certain things they saw online. It's like, dude, no, no, no. This is the joy of Japan. Yeah. Is that you can literally go anywhere and it will be so good. Yeah. It's really hard to find a bad place. And even the bad places sometimes are pretty good. You know, if you talk shit about Saizarei, you'll get deported. Oh yeah. I'll slap you across the face personally. Joey might deport you. I will deport you. Singlandly. Saizarei is solid, you know? And that's like the lowest. Yeah. It only gets better from there. It has its place. And that's why like I, you know, sometimes I have friends who come over and they'll even they'll just have gone to a place right next to where they're staying or just randomly went to a place and I'd be like, this is a great spot. Please go and check it out. And I'd be like, all right, cool. That's amazing. I would never have gone there. I would never have thought about it. Exactly. You don't know. Like the joy is exploring, but I understand if a lot of people it's stressful, they want it on their tinnery, they want to know what they're doing. But trust me, the joy of Tokyo is that you can literally, you do not need to plan. Yes. Rock up anywhere. Unless you're looking for a very sort of restaurant experience, whatever, then sure. But which Japan also has a lot of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. But you know, there's so many people that come to Japan as tourists that if it is on a list or it's on a guide or something, you're going to be queuing with other people and fighting for that experience. So it's like, you're often times you can get something else. But if you're watching this show and you have 300 episodes in, you probably already know this. You probably already know this. Whatever. This is the first time I've watched this. Nah. No. I need no way. But then when I made that short about this place, it is still my most viewed thing ever. Really? 10 million views. That's crazy. And what's crazy is that like in my head, I was like, I just want to try shorts. Yeah. And so I am one day I filmed like six shorts. Yeah. And I still think if you count like per hour of my life that I've spent, I think it was like for six hours of work, it was like 40 million views. It was so stupid. And I probably made like five pence off of this. Yeah. But yeah, the line was crazy. And a lot of the comments I got were also really fucking weird. Really? There's people who are like, of course the foreigner wouldn't want to wait in line. The Japanese love a way to know how to do it. And that's a quality. What are you talking about? I haven't noticed the YouTube shorts comments. Are like, it's almost in its own bubble compared to like. Oh my God. I have to read all the comments. Generally brain dead people who like the like, of course the foreigner would skip the lines. Oh, well, well, I can't speak Japanese. And it's like, then don't worry about it. Yeah. Don't worry. It's also really fucking easy to on the phone. You know, you have the, they have like the live translation things now too. Yeah. Just fucking. Yeah. You can figure out what they're saying and be like, Onigiri, tuna, hitotsu. No, too hard. Hitotsu, too hard. Yeah. And I just kept the fucking guy there. Funny English word. Yeah. I don't know. It's weird. Sometimes I go through different pockets of the internet. And I'm like, what is a representation of real people nowadays? I don't know where to find that on the internet nowadays. Dead internet theory is so real. It's so real. I genuinely, I feel nothing when I look at comments anymore now. Cause I just, I'm like, this doesn't look real. Yeah. I don't know what's real anymore. It's funny because like, I don't know if you guys get them, but every now and then I'll get those like bot comments, which are like clearly bodded comments of like, it's usually like a hot girl. And it's like, wow, this video is so inspirational. Thank you so much. Yeah. What the fuck is this? And I'm like, this sounds more real than some of these actual maybe real comments that I get. And that's scary. Like some of these comments where I know a human typed it in, I'm just like, yeah, there's no way you type that in one go. Sometimes there's like AI chat bots in like live streams now too. Really? Yeah. You could sometimes they'll type and you can tell, you can tell it's a bot. So scary. They don't talk like a Twitch chat. That's so scary. Wow. What did they say? They were just like over like, like writing a sentence like super well articulated. M dashes. You're like, this is like, why not? No one talks like this in the Twitch chat. Nobody talks like this. It's the M dash. But it's like nobody does full sentences unless there's like a discussion going. Yeah. Proper capitalization too, I assume. Yeah. Everything. Yeah. No emotes. Yeah. But like every Twitch chat, even when they're typing one thing, we'll use emotes of some kind. Yeah. The TTV modes. Yeah. Always. So it's really, it's really interesting. It's, yeah. I mean, being online and seeing all the stuff is just crazy. So it's just, it's getting to the point where I'm like, shit, how do I prove that I'm not a bot? You know, am I speaking to bossy? Yeah. Like genuinely when I'm writing scripts nowadays, I'm just like, how do I make sure that this doesn't sound like, like, like an AI? I'm like, do I need to throw a skibbity every now and then? Yeah. I'm like, prove that I'm a human. Do you have had the moment where you click on a video and sometimes like it's a video? I say, yeah. And you hear a voice and you're like, I don't know if the guy's monotone. Yeah. Oh, it's AI. Yes. Hmm. Can't tell if monotone or AI anymore. And I'm like, I hate it. But okay. And you know, that's, that's true, right? And I, I, I've thought about this so much because I'm like, I don't like, we can get it. This is going to be a fucking big discussion. I've thought about this so, so much because you know, I, you know, when I saw an obviously AI bot, I would just scroll because I was like, personally, I don't care. I don't, I don't really want to give ad rev to some guy that's just probably grabbing videos, putting an AI voice over. Yeah. But they've gotten really good. Yeah. And they've gotten to the point where I'm questioning myself now. Yeah. Where I'm like, I don't know if this is human or AI, but you know what I never do? I never question when it's a human. Like I know it's a human straight up. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's just, there are certain, certain people that are voicing it. You're like, this is 100% a human and I have no doubt in my mind. You know what I mean? Yeah. So in a sense, I'm like, okay, is this a, is this a voice over problem? Is this like someone who is, or is it just catching up? Like is it constantly, because like being good at voice over is a skill. Yeah. So people spend a lot of time learning. But you would be an idiot to think that these AI versions aren't caught up basically or catching up and getting better every single day. Like today, whenever you're watching this is the worst they've ever been. Yeah. And they will only get better. Yeah. I think it's the latter of what you say. I think it's the fact that they're just catching up. Yeah. Because there have been, because yeah, I agree. There are like some vocal qualities that you hear in some like content creators where it's like, yeah, there's no way at this point in time and AI can replicate this kind of like nuance or this kind of like vocal quality. Because you know from your work, because you're making the video, you know when to hit the joke and how to hit it. Yeah. Yeah. And that's just something that is really hard currently to do with AI voices. You know, and that being said, like, I'm, you know, obviously I'm like, I prefer not to watch those. But now it's getting to the point where they're almost so omnipresent online. It's, it's kind of impossible to go about it like that. I don't want to engage with it at all because you kind of can't. But I guess my one hope is that it'll become like, you know, maybe the way that people used to speak about hand-drawn animation that it's like, wow, this thing got real voice. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like I do feel like I have to imagine that it'll be a case of like, okay, nobody cares anymore. This AI voices and I feel like it's kind of already getting to that in a sense. Like I, it feels, it feels like a losing battle caring about it. Like man shouts a cloud kind of thing. Like it is changing. Do you think maybe then this might be a weird theory. Do you think maybe that because there are now, when you look at the average demographic of people who just like consume content on YouTube and stuff like that, right? And you know, I would argue most people who are not creators don't really care if it's an AI voiceover or not. They just are there kind of just to like sit and like listen to most people want to consume something or get something. Yeah. They just want to like hear somebody talk, whether that's an AI or a human or whatever. Do you think maybe that there are some content creators out there now who understand that and maybe are almost purposefully turning their voiceovers into monotone or like slightly AI? No, no, no, no. You don't think so? No, there's just certain genres of content. Like I think the reason I got into this problem was because I, you know, listen to a lot of sleep content and sleep content is just like you have to have like a monotone voice. Yeah. Certain way of like delivering. And there are some times now where I, you know, recommend a video and it's like a new creator. And I'm like, yeah, just I don't know. I don't know. And some of these channels are really popular. Yeah. That use these like AI voices and whatnot. Yeah. You're like, damn, it's kind of crazy to think that we, we've got this. All of those like breaking down like the history of a civilization or like, you know, weird history and stuff like that. Yeah. A lot of those ones or the ones I've noticed are the channels with the white background and the circles with like different things. Like explaining every, oh, yeah. Those have become that style to become really popular for using AI. Cause it's very easy to add these little things in. Yeah. And again, like I think my stance is, I think you have to be quite fluid and changing with this to care about it. And I used to be like absolutely fucking zero. No, I still don't like it. But at the same time it's like, it's happening. It's not going away. And so I think the shift needs to be instead of being like crying about everything, not crying, but like being, you know, constantly against all this stuff. It's like, how can I now shift the focus to giving credit to the end people do make everything themselves, do, you know, put all that work in and showcase that amazing. Yeah. I don't know. What are you guys saying? Cause I feel like this feels exhausting. Yeah. No, it is exhausting. My stance is that AI at this very current form is just slop content. Yeah. But humans can make slop content. We can make slop content. Oh yeah. MLG edits back in the day were handcrafted slop. That is not slop. That was handcrafted. That was handcrafted slop. What do I mean when I talk about slop contents? MLG was like the graffiti of content. Like it's to some people it's like, oh, what is this shit? It's just vandalism. And then for other people, it's like, this is a finely crafted art. Slop content is taking a popular internet video, putting your face on it and just going, Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. That, that, that to me is slop content with the fucking AI voice over. I can't believe this is happening. Yeah. Shit like that. Jason Derulo using the same reaction video for reactions. Yeah. It's like, you may as well be AI. Yeah. It's just like, what are you doing? You're not fucking contributing. And I think the, I think the level of slop content is going to, I mean, the level of human made slop content is just going to get pushed out because it's just going to get replaced by AI slop contents. Yeah. A lot more AI slop content. I think you can pump it out faster, right? Exactly. It's going to be interesting. I mean, I think as a tool to help creatives do their thing, it's great. I love that like you can, you know, it makes tedious tasks simpler. It speeds up certain aspects that will really come for some or, or very resource intensive before. And that's great. I think it's just like when you, the, the really human elements like, and especially the front facing elements, you know, it's like, you know, AI, YouTube videos, sure, but nobody is, nobody wants an AI actor in a movie. No. Like I don't think anyone wants to see a movie that's starring AI Tom Cruise. See, I, do you think there's somebody wants that? See, every time we get closer and closer to the goal, let's keep moving, right? The goal keeps moving. That's what's so frustrating because like I say this now and I'm like, I absolutely don't fucking want that. But maybe something will happen in a year where, where some, some studio does it just okay enough where people are willing to accept it. Yeah. I'm saying this now where I'm like, I like the human connection, you know, between me and a creator or an actor or whatever. But then I also thought, ain't no way someone's ever going to fall for an AI or something like that. No, of course you will. This is too good. Yeah. And then I was like, no, people are getting emotionally attached to AI now. And I'm like, okay, every time I think humans are too good for that, humanity proves to be wrong every time. You actually just reminded in the music world right now, there's this huge news that's going on of this AI artist who managed to make it onto the billboard charts. Oh my gosh. And like this, this, I forgot the name of the AI artist, but like, it's this, I was saying it's this girl. It's not, it's an AI where, yeah, she's got like over a million fucking monthly listeners on Spotify. And she like managed to fucking, yeah, yeah, yeah, this girl here, the, on the bottom left. Yeah. Nice. Try Ayonis, your digital partner at Ayonis.co.uk. This fucking, yeah, this, this AI girl managed to make it onto the fucking billboard charts. And people are just like, yeah, because I don't care if it's AI or human made, what sounds good sounds good. I'm like, what, what message are we trying to fucking portray here? They're like, oh, if it's, if it's good enough for me, then it's good enough for everyone. And I don't care if it's a human or fucking made by a robot. Maybe we're the bots. I'm just saying, but it's, I, I'm just, it's like hacking our brain. It's like, it's like using like everything to look like what we like. And it's like, it's like finding its way into everything. Maybe it's like, what the fuck is happening? Maybe the problem with AI to begin with is not the AI. Maybe it's us. The fact that we are such predictable creatures, that's so dumb, that's certain things and certain patterns can be learned by, by machines. And like the, you know, there are a lot of people who are really for it and, you know, push it a lot. And I guess my, the only, the main reason why I keep coming back to thinking like, not feeling great about it and morally quite icky is that it is just kind of just a giant plagiarism machine. Yeah. It just steal, not steal, but just takes everything in and they use it for another company to make their profit and fuel, fuel their, their investors and whatnot. And it's like, that's the main core of it that it all comes down to where I feel like, oh, I don't feel great about this. Like that, that's why I end up, even if I was on the fence about certain things, or I feel like, okay, there's some usage here. There's some val, validity here. It's like, at the end of the day, it's still being powered by just plagiarism. It just feels icky. Yeah. It all feels icky. It's gross. Yeah, I don't know. It's, it's icky. And it's just frustrating because it's online right now, both sides again, you know, this is the, this is the internet thing right now. It's like, there is no like discussion to be had about any of it. It's, it's like life or death to both side. I want fucking AI and everything. I want my kid raised by AI. In fact, I want, in fact, I want my kid to be AI. On the other side, it's like, if, if anything even spelled with letter A comes near my product, I will fucking boycott it. And it's like, okay, we need to, the reality is that the times are changing and the goalposts, like you said, are going to move. Yeah. Because, because, you know, I think, I think about it like, like 3D modelers, right? Like there's a lot more tools now for it to get better at 3D modeling. Those tools are only going to get better and better. And at what point is then AI and not AI? When do we say that? Like, you know, it's, it's becoming frustrating and kind of exhausting as a human to just exist and know how to feel about this shit. Because I don't know the fuck to do anymore. This shit is so fucking exhausting. I, it's AI, it's in everything. I don't, I don't think I like it. I don't know what to do. It's, it's so terrible. Dude, Wally was a documentary man. That's all I'm going to say. Like it's, it's every day we're just slowly getting to Wally. Well, there was obviously some big news recently or like a big, big drama that happened. Maybe by the time we're watching this, it's not so recent. And it'd be fun to see how it's all settled down either way. But there was a game that came out called Arc Raiders. And initially they were, they were accused of having AI voice actors. And I also was an idiot as well. And I just believed this without fucking checking like a moron. I was like, I think I'm going to play it. It's got AI voices. To the that wasn't the case. But what they do have is that they have kind of like a, a TTS hatsune Miku situation where the voice actors signed up, they gave their voice, consented to it. And then from that voice, they made voice lines. I see. Okay. I think I'm not sure if there's any other generative AI involved. I don't know. I try to read about it. It wasn't quite clear, but it seems like it's become kind of like a war zone now, this game and the topic of it. Either you're against AI and any of this stuff. Just open the floodgates. Yeah. Yeah. But it's the studio who made this game also made a game prior called the, forgot what it's called. And they had AI voices in it, but I think that actually was AI. Right. What was it called? The finals. Finals. Yeah. Okay. And they got heat for it then for doing it. So this one is like confirmed that it had AI voice. The finals, I'm pretty sure the finals are there. Can we double check that before I get that wrong? But this one now they have like kind of TTS. Right. Right. And it's interesting. The whole discussion has been really not very nuanced. Because a lot of people feel one thing and they have decided how they feel about it. And there's not really any room to kind of talk about it. Right. So I mean, when you first hear that, that they've kind of hired voice actors. How do you feel about that? Like what was your first impression? They've hired voice actors and then they use it as like a voice bank to make TTS lines. It's very gray. I don't know how to feel about it. Yeah, I don't know how to feel. I guess it's better than just going straight AI. I guess I would need to know more details about what the entire creative process was. And especially what the voices behind are kind of like what the voice actors signed up for. The voice actors apparently all good with it. They signed up for it. They know what they got into. They get paid per line, I think, or something along those lines. Right. So yeah, that was like that with that. But I guess my whole time, I'm like, yeah, why didn't you just hire voice actors? I guess because they wanted to... I think their reasoning was something along the lines of they wanted to be able to expand the game quickly and some of the voice lines, you know, maybe they need to do that. Maybe cut back on costs and stuff like that as well. It's a pretty big studio though. Oh, really? So it's hard to... You know, and obviously I've done voice acting. We've produced things before with voice acting. I know the price of how much this stuff usually costs. It's not an insane cost for a very small studio. It's kind of a marginal cost for a really big studio. I guess my feeling is like I would just rather like me personally, and I know this is a preference, some people, some people don't care because they're only NPCs. Like they're like characters that you come across in the game. They're not like main big story characters. And the lines do sound a little flat. Like they don't sound quite like actors. They're missing the human touch. Yes. I mean, this makes me think when people talk about it, they're like, I'm like, I think personally I would just rather not use voice acting at all and just have it all text as opposed to doing this. Just because I feel like if it sounds bad... But people hate reading. Yeah, people do hate reading. People want voice acting in modern AAA games. But then it sounds... I feel like the biggest disservice you can do is not like, yes, using text speech, whatever. I don't really care. I think nobody cares about text speech. I think it's been around for a long time. It's well understood how it works. It's not a new thing. Yes. I think the worst thing you can do is make a good game with bad voice acting. I think like bad anything. It'd be like having the most amazing gameplay, God tier soundtrack made by Kevin, and then all the art assets you've made from like mid-journey. Like you've just taken the promise. It's like, well, hold on now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The reason why the original One Punch Man manga was so compelling is because the art style was so funny and it worked really well. And it was obviously clearly a limitation that artists had and incorporated that limitation into their work. So, yeah, just... It was obviously a really big thing going on right now. And I just wanted to know... I think it... I'd never heard of this to be fair. Yeah, me neither. But the thing is, and this is the big turning point, I think, is that the game is very good. It's very popular. Right. And so I think people like the game a lot. And so people are starting to kind of... Forgiving to it. Yeah, because they're like, well, it's only like a voice actor and this one thing. It's, you know, it's a little robotic, but it's just one thing and a great game. And so a lot of people get really upset when people try to take points away from the game because they feel like that's not a fair reason to mark it down. Right. But it does feel like the conversation is becoming one more loaded and heated and two a bit more tricky on what the line is and where it should be. And I know that like as people want to make more games, games are popular, and a lot of people have limitations and stuff, they'll just decide to, okay, I'd rather incorporate this than not. And is that the right play? I don't know. It's interesting. Yeah. And I guess like if like, you know, for example, in this example, it's like, okay, everything else about the game is great and human made, except for the NPC voice actors. Then as you said, right? And if people are now, because the game is good, they're comfortable with that line. What's to say now that other studios now are going to look at that and be like, how far can we push this line? Well, so I, you know, I wanted to be informed on this topic because I thought if we were going to talk about it, I'd love to get more opinions than just my own. Because I felt I didn't feel great about it, but I'm a voice actor and I'm biased. I like voicing in these things. I feel like they're a lot better off when they have someone voicing it. Some games have been made by their great voice acting. You know, this can really like be make or break. So I wanted to ask some of the friends as well who are in the industry, but other aspects of it. And I asked someone who is pretty high up at another game company that has a couple of very popular games. And they were like, yeah, the game is technically like a masterpiece. Like the technical aspect of it and what they've done in Unreal Engine is like really, really impressive. But it's like they didn't understand why they kind of chose to do that. Because it feels like a very odd choice and a very minute one. They personally probably wouldn't use it in their games, just a preference thing. But they didn't mind that they had used it. So it does feel like the vibe is kind of shifting with this stuff. And some things are gonna be more forgivable than others. You know, if your game isn't too story heavy, okay, fine. Maybe it's fine if it's ethical and all the actors have agreed to it. I still think that perhaps using generative AI where it's just a random voice with no one assigned to it and no one's getting paid, probably still on the unethical side. But at least this one seems to be where people are kind of like, okay, this might be okay. I mean, it seems a lot of this is unfortunately on the internet, nuanced discussion just doesn't exist at all. But are they representative of the general consumer a lot of the times? Yeah, and that's the thing. I think your general consumer doesn't really care if non-consequential. I'm not sure if not care is the right word, but I'm sure that for a lot of general consumers, it is a vibe check for a lot of times, where it's just like, there are some outrageous examples where a lot of people are just like, no, I don't want to consume this at all. But sometimes when it's just like on the cusp, people don't have to be as, people don't have to pick sides as definitively as what you see on these nets, maybe. I mean, I was dumb when I first heard of it. I just assumed I was like, oh, God, another game that's used AI. And I didn't really look into it and kind of chose my camp before I even did looked into it more than when I looked into it more. I was like, okay, this is classic internet. All nuance was lost online. And I didn't I should have just fucking looked and read my own source. And there was a big review that kind of stoked some flames. So they gave it two out of five and brought down the is a Eurogamer Askle. It was a really good askle. It was a really good review. And I read it and I felt like it was very nuanced. But obviously the headline was all that anyone read. And if you read it, I felt like it was actually like a well put together review. Whether you agree with it or not is not what would I am trying to say. But like the review itself was very eloquent. And their their basic school, their main criticism was that they were like, this game is PVP VE. And it relies a lot on talking with people on your teammates and talking to strangers. And their main criticism was like, it's disingenuous to have the voice of the player be such a prominent aspect of the game. And then at the last like hurdle in your game development, kind of try to cut people out by using these kind of more robotic methods, which I think is really interesting. Like I think like, whether you agree with that point or not, I think it is a point that you should at least hear and, you know, make your own mind up of. And I thought it was interesting. What's the game about? So it's an extraction shooter. So it's like you and you all spawn. Again, I haven't played it yet. So I don't know, but you all spawn and then there's basically like an extract. This is our craze. What's all in my right? Yeah. It's an extraction shooter, which means that everyone drops in, you kill NPCs, and at some point you need to get out and then you get to keep that loot maybe for another run or something else. I'm not entirely sure I haven't played it yet, but yeah, that's kind of the point. And it's a multiplayer game. Okay. It's like a solely multiplayer. But it's like a but apparently one of the main things is that it's beautiful. It's, you know, very technically extremely impressive. Yeah. The way it's been made. So I mean, we're looking at the gameplay of it now and it looks pretty nice. But I just thought it was really interesting to kind of talk about and bring up in general. Yeah. It's it's it's such a great time to talk about. Isn't it? It's like, yeah, again, I think we are, I would say we're normal people. I think we're able to talk about it. You know, obviously we'd be impassioned, but you know, also have to think like realistically where the world is headed. And I think unfortunately it's going to this is going to be a thing that is normalized. Yeah. And at least from what we're seeing so far, if you make a great game, people are very willing to at least turn the other way or maybe, you know, maybe drop a couple of the things that they felt passionate about prior when it's a lot easier to hate on a game that uses certain things when it looks like obvious shit. But when it's getting really good, I think some people are starting to have to question that like, what's going on now? Like, I don't. Yeah, it becomes the whole thing of like, I understand what the problems are with it, but I still enjoy the game. Yeah. I mean, that's clearly what people are having. Like, and I think that like a lot of people are trying to make people feel bad about enjoying it. I don't think that's also the right way to go about this. Shame me. Shame me. People for enjoying things never works. No, like people like it. It's doing well. Having you shame them for liking it is not going to stop people from doing this. Like that is going to make them want to like it even more. Yeah, exactly. And it's going to make this whole conversation more tribalistic when we don't need that online. What we need, I keep looking at the gameplay. I'm sorry. The gameplay is playing on the screen. I'm like stimming. You know, this conversation about everything, like everything online has become so tribalistic. And it's like, you know, turning it into that now makes it a thing of choose a side. Yeah. And it's not like, Hey, let's actually try to see what like what this is. Let's just talk to each other. Yeah. Let's just get us first. Is there things that we're okay with that we're not okay with? Like, why is that? Why do you feel that way? Like, let's try and but this, you know, there's not, Yeah, these things are not going to have that. But again, maybe the game is massive problems outside of that. I don't know. I haven't played it. So I haven't touched it because I just have been playing plants versus zombies. You mean back into the plants versus zombies? I play plants with zombies too. You know, 40 hours. Let's see AI make this. AI could never. Wow. They re-release the game and they try to use like AI upscaling and all this shit to make it. At least, I don't know. Something like that. Yeah. Right. How do you feel about AI upscaling? What do you mean? In terms of like games or movies and stuff like that. We've seen it a lot with like movies and stuff, you know, the 4K upscaling and stuff. I mean, how do you feel about that? Like generally, it's trash and it makes things look worse. Did you know, by the way, all your YouTube videos, they've got an on-bud fall now. What 4k upscaling just up a I upscaling in general. Oh really turn it off. It's like deep in the settings I had to go through like 15 menus to find it fucking out Okay, I didn't know you know what I hate the fucking autodub. Oh my god God But like it's annoying because obviously they're just training it right now and all of our videos are yeah It's like okay. I'm sure in five years. It's gonna be perfect or it's gonna be close It's obviously gonna get better and we hate it now in 10 years Maybe you're watching this trash this episode and I am speaking perfectly in fluent Spanish right now And it sounds completely natural But you know, it's it's it's obviously gonna get there and it's like I think the conversation now needs to be around Where can we you know, what kind of regulation should be in place? What is ethical use? What's not ethical use? What point, you know, I do I think it's a valid conversation about the piracy aspect of it and the plagiarism and I It's tough. Well, did you see the fucking when was it Sora? Released it and there were just people uploading AI generated like South Park episode or anime And I'm like, yeah Yeah, I mean that's like that's so scary and maybe if it was like a human and it draw inspiration from so many points Yeah, but they would just sometimes yeah, just make South Park. Yeah, you're like this doesn't feel like Should be allowed to do this is my question. Okay, cuz I'm not I haven't looked into the whole Sora thing at all But I know what it what it is. Um, what was the point of this being made? Like like genuinely like what what is the original that is a good What is the original intent for this thing to exist? So Make money yeah other than for people to make really shit memes and just like make and just plagiarize shit that already exists So like what's the point? Okay? So I think initially when a lot of these companies started a big pitch and the way they would kind of push it forward was For scientific use like, you know like simulations and stuff you mean. Yeah, like Like proteins like proteins like untangling proteins to like keep track of them in the human body Okay, is a really and used to be done all by manually and it would take Months and months and months to map out a single protein, right? And this is stuff that is used in you know like cancer medicine. It's used in so many treatments, right? So the the initial pitch of AI Are being used and mass data kind of hoovering machines was to improve science and improve which I think everyone was like great. Yeah, we can get a cure for cancer if we can get all these things great Yeah, but obviously, you know as these technologies got more exciting as Deep blue it beats Gary Kasparov and chess, you know, it starts to become you know general intelligence Yes kind of a thing and then now the big shift of what the big pitch is is like a GI Which is this all-encompassing human like Better than a human in every single thing Like there is not a thing that a human can beat it in right and that's the promise because once you get that If it's better than every doctor if it's better than every lawyer if it's better than every scientist then you literally have Figured out like the ultimate money printing machine. Yes. So that's like the whole thing That's like where it's at now, but Sora and all these things they just require so much data and so much iteration that it's like, okay Well, just just unleash it get it out there start start using it You know I see But what they've kind of done now because they a lot of these companies are Loaning and borrowing insane amounts of money They like trillions. They have to make trillions to like pay off what they're making. It's like, okay. How do we make money now? Put this video thing out there. So like a lot of the thing now is that they've kind of They've gone from the initial promise of like we'll fix cancer to will fucking plagiarize every video and give you Slopings hey want to see your own Dragon Ball episode I'm gonna make your own Dragon Ball episode So, you know the initial promise of like will fucking use all the data and all the electricity in the world Like there are there are like in places like Some parts of the world it uses so much electricity on the grid that it over It overloads the grid and can literally break your home appliances because the harmonic frequency of the amount of Electricity being used is now off the normal and acceptable amount So your fridge at home could be broken because of all these fucking day. I data AI slop centers So there's so many Literally just so we can make these shitty memes right now There's nothing of value that it's being it's making right now. It can organize a spreadsheet. That's cool But it's like it's not the promise that we were that we were sold on Immers yourself in herbal essences new Moroccan Argan oil elixir infused with pure argan oil just one drop Delivers up to 100 hours of hair nourishment with the indulgent scent of a Moroccan garden Herbal essences new Moroccan Argan oil elixir Spark quality hair repair without the price tag try it now Herbal Nourishment with a regimen use versus non-conditioning shampoo so Question sorry for the massive rant No, no, I needed to know this because I'm just like the first time I saw Sora and you know because like unfortunately I've seen on Instagram and stuff like that of so many people just making like really shit memes of themselves in like You know with the fucking Sora watermark on it. I'm just like, okay, but like what's the point? Like what the why why does this exist other than to fucking make every content creator angry? Yeah, you know, I just needed to know yeah, yeah, I mean like I said it exists to make money That's pretty much it. Oh, yeah That's that's where the you know, of course everything is done to make money, but it's Yeah, I don't see the Benefit towards, you know what it can bring into our culture in our society. I guess I think with the occasional annoying task it can be helpful Yeah, yeah, like I've had some things where except one of the try it out So I'm like well if I'm gonna fucking not like this thing I may as well give it a fair shake Yeah, I'll be like can you organize the spreadsheet for me? Oh, yeah, I've used that so many times And then doesn't fucking work though For me it doesn't work, but then our occasions when it will find me like I'll be like Can you find me this image? Yeah, I'll find it. Okay, great. This seems like a great use Yeah, like something that allows you to kind of get through the slop that is the internet. Yeah But other times it would just glaze you Just glazes you when you ask it a crowd. I'm like don't fucking glaze me Yeah, I love when chat GPT does that sometimes where I'm just like I just ask a Monday question and it always opens with That's a great question, man Yeah, I don't want to shut the fuck up It was a dumb question Yeah, and right now I'm literally talking about the video like video creation part of Sora Yeah, I'm like, oh, yeah, where it's just I see it as just a slop creation machine Because what else is it used for like what is the genuine use? That's the question I'm asking like what is the intended purpose for releasing this out into the public but I'm then causing havoc But you know, it's it's an expensive subscription To pay for it. And so I think people They realized hey, we need to stem the bleeding. We need to make money. Yeah right now. Otherwise, we're gonna go bankrupt Right. There's not I don't know how much more investment they can get and so Yeah, they they just release this slot machine Because people will do it because you can also, you know make things that aren't real and some of the things that are made now in it Are genuinely indistinguishable to real life videos and it's it's getting concerning That's so scary. What do you know? Do you know what it inversely has made me do made me do? It's made me a lot more savvy when it comes to watching videos or watching because there's like it's less becoming Like because AI is getting so good now It's less becoming looking for the telltale signs of just like oh look at the hands or look at the something now It's looking at the context of a video. It's just like yeah, I remember seeing a video really think about it Yeah, I remember seeing a video and it was like a camera shots of someone getting attacked by you know Some animal when he was sleeping and then I was like I can't I don't know why but this feels AI I then I go to the comments and it is AI and then you think about it and you're like yeah Why was someone someone had to set up a camera of themselves sleeping? Which why would you do that unless you're planning something anyway? So you literally are I was at the video of the guy in the tent and he opens the tent and there's like a bear right in front of Yeah, I've seen that video and I thought that was a real video at first. Yeah, so so it's made me think okay This is the setup. Yeah, all right How is this something that someone would feasibly do why would someone set up a camera? Yeah on their own tent when they go in to sleep for no reason at all because it looks like a security camera, right? Yeah, why would they do that security? It's literally you kind of like you you are logically breaking down Does this seem like something? What an exhausting process? I know right? I know I shouldn't have to think about that But you do Joe. I know and you know what? The fact that we do is so exhausting I also think that's why people you know, I we're very lucky people watch the podcast But I think that's how people go now like they watch more youtubers and influences than ever It's like my God in the sea of made-up slop. It's like at least you can be sure the person's fucking real Yeah, like what I was you know, it's frustrating Yeah, but until a twitch chat until there's a twitch AI twitch streamer that takes over. Yeah It's a matter of time I feel yeah for a while I was like I was like man I'm not gonna play any fucking games that have Disclosed any AI, but then I was like man having a police this is gonna be impossible Yeah, like that my set my policy to myself. I'll still try to play games that are only made by human But of course there's gonna be some games that maybe they didn't label it properly Yeah, they're gonna suck through the crack. Yeah, maybe they you know, it's like fuck this I'm just gonna try and play games that I think are cool and made by people and if I happen to accidentally fucking play a game That's got this dog shit and it's like alright, whatever sucks sucks. They did that but what can do I mean being human in this year is just accepting that you're gonna have to consume AI Unless you just get rid of the internet, which I think also is a healthy alternative at this point Yeah, definitely. I don't know. Yeah. I'm wondering was technology always scary and yeah, I think so Yeah, I mean, I think people had these conversations and stuff with like it was always skeptics Radio cars were around I'm sure people had like always every every new big technology people have these conversations I think you know when like TV first came out right and people and you know parents would look at their kids like glue to the TV Yeah, I mean like oh my god They're this they're staring at a box with moving pictures and not going outside and it's gonna rot the brains of the children And it's like yeah, man if only they existed if only they're around for another 50 years to see I think the main difference though with this one compared to those that at least those technologies are new it or new things Whereas this is just a machine that has taken everything that it can get from the internet. Yeah and It's like I understand why people make that comparison of like oh, you're just like those people who showed it at radios or the phone It's like well come on now like that is such a bad faith argument. Yeah, you know why it is. Yeah, they were made by humans When the guy made the Walkman, there was a lot of steps that would go into making that product and why it ended up changing There's also reasons why people might not have wanted to adopt it right away But like there's it's not the same mentality I think and to act like it is is a very unfair argument I think yes and and playing dumb almost It just like I remember a time, you know growing up whenever a new technology would get announced or something good It genuinely was like exciting. Yeah, we were in like early 2000s tech always felt exciting I think yeah super pumped for the next thing, right? God. Yeah I phone first came out and people were like what the future forget the iPhone remember the blackberry Like yo, you can you can send email on your phone With the TV probably came out I can understand, you know, the social space you had has been eroded slightly I kind of get it. Yeah, maybe the TV was never invented. We might be better off I don't know but like I can imagine my people were probably not stoked about the idea of having a box that Remember remember the feeling of like seeing the first flat screen TVs. I was kind of sick I was like no fucking way This is the goddamn future How do they fit all those cathode rays in there? I don't think the thing with like Maybe the when the phone came out or whatever. I don't think there was ever an ethical conversation about is it moral? Yeah, you know, it's like a genuine thing that I think people again Why I think the argument of people had this argument, you know would always complain before It's a bad faith argument because I think like I don't think anyone ever questioned the ethics of the vinyl player or The internet. Yeah, I think we're just skeptical of its impact. Yes. Yeah, which you know I don't think people have underestimated the impact that this is all gonna have but just a Sorry, and I hate to I hate talking about it. I know everyone is so sick of hearing about it But I think it's it's at least far as it's Unfortunately But unfortunately, it's just We you know the viewers that we have I love that people are super down to have conversations Yeah in the comments and people are willing to talk about it nuanced and stuff and people aren't as reactionary I look I think I've we're very lucky to have the trash taste audience I think you guys are you guys are phenomenal at having a good You're willing to clown on us, but you're willing to also have a discussion about which I appreciate We're not immune to being cloud on and look maybe I'll take this episode might have maybe a H horrendously in 10 years. Maybe they weren't you know, it doesn't really matter I think we had this discussion at the time now when everything was what it was and it is yeah Yeah, what we're parasocial towards you. Yeah, I'm parasocial towards you guys. I'm staring at all of you right now Do you actually think I was having this thought the other actually do you think? Do you think twitch streamers are parasocial towards their chat? Yeah, I think so I think it's like the conglomerate. I had like I was like the group as the vibe I think I get parasocial to the vibe. I had this like moment the other day where I was just like, you know I was in stream and I was I was talking about this thing that happened on stream like four or five years ago Something like ages that happen and people be like and to which I was like, oh, yeah, I remember you did that Always be like five people who remember. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like damn this feels oddly personal, you know I'm like, I feel like I have a connection with you. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like I'm like shit I'm talking about my life like four or five years ago and people be like, yo, I remember that time And I'm like this is like the conversation I have with my mates being like yo I remember when we were kids and we had this moment and I'm like shit I might get and I might get parasocial towards Chad now, you know, it's Weird fucking relationship. Scary. I Read another article. Yeah, and I Was genuinely one of the the most insightful things I've articles I've read the long time. Yeah, the goon squad. Okay Can you pull this up? I like maybe if you're around when You know What is this? It's actually a genuinely amazing article. Okay. Okay. It's so it's a very long article. It's really well done and It's just the name is so fucking funny Like talk to you. Oh my god. So let me let me let me explain to you what this is. So This guy basically Is interested in gooning and the term Good, okay. I get number before you start. How did you find this article? People were talking about it a lot on Reddit So we're talking about this article called the goon squire And it sounds fucking ridiculous, but it's actually a very thought-provoking Journey that this guy goes into where he basically wants to learn about people who are serious gooners Okay, and I feel like as we've talked a lot about hentai Gooning if you will You know, we this is an interesting thing that I think you boys would love to read. Okay, okay, but Basically, this guy Starts joining these gooning servers on discord. Okay, which did you know about this? I didn't know but I'm not surprised not heard about this and they they have competitive gooning I'm serious. What's competitive gooning? They've ranked gooning. So what they would do is that they would do like goon offs It's honestly an eye-opening So these guys what they would do is that they would basically make amvs for porn Yeah, they would basically make porn porn Compilations right right and they would basically like do like a showdown They they would like bring out their a game they bring out that that porn compilations Okay, they would play it against each other play And they'd be like they'd show yours. They'd be like that's nice Let me show you this and they would show this guy who joins these servers to like learn more about it And like why the fuck people are doing this? Yeah and then like Apparently, it's like a big popular thing where people edit like porn into these porn a like PMV's as they call them. I think Yeah, it's really fucking weird and they would all like like be like, yeah I've they're like jerking it for like hours like button like edging And they would all be on discord together doing this my god And this guy basically goes into it and is easy of the mindset He's like why is that why are the people doing this? Yeah, right? Like what is great question? What is kind of like drawing them to this? Yeah, and what is the The main reason and Through talking to this and talking to a lot of these people And even went to like an IRL meetup that some of these people did where they all got together in a room to to go in together Yeah Was the the the main conclusion was and and from a lot of these people who participated in this would just say like yeah like to feel nothing loneliness like severe severe loneliness And if you are interested in all in the absolute bizarre world of I'm gonna thought provoking about it. Yeah I'm gonna read this later. Everything you just said is like peak meme material. So Okay, it means but like Because like it's it's fucking funny to laugh. They should exist But it's also incredibly depressing But a lot of these people also, you know You know on the younger side and a lot of these people I think it was like a symptom of the fact that there's not a lot of hope for a lot of people who are growing up right now There's like not all of opportunities It feels very daunting to enter the adult world right now You can't fucking get a job. You can't do anything And I think it was it was a really thought provoking article about how porn has kind of come into a lot of people's lives and kind of become like a massive part Of their identity and what they do and kind of getting lost in that But also the weird camaraderie that you can kind of get from it with other people who are maybe also deep in the source Um, but ultimately How lonely it still all is. Yeah And I know it sounds ridiculous because it's called the fucking goons squad um Again, the article is not perfect. You guys got you guys had the suicide squad get ready for the goons. There's a couple of things that that Yeah, a bit odd. Um, I'm not sure I I would come to the same conclusion But it's still a fascinating look into this world because this guy really tries to go deep into understanding it Yeah, and I'm sure his own mental sanity. So shout out Daniel for for going down that that fucking rabbit hole Yeah, right over the most doing legitimate journalism into the gooning the gooning world It was it was again what what you think about it or what conclusion you take from it is whatever But I just think that uh, if you get a moment you get a It's it's about a half hour read. Yeah, I just saved us. I'm gonna read a little please go read it And if you're if you're at all curious about the weird world of gooning, um Viewers, uh, it's a great article. Um, I would be very worried every time I just that's the word they use I know it is the goon squad. I just can't stop laughing Every time I hear it It's it's and then they'd be they'd talk and they'd be like, yeah, we do we master it like six hours a day to try and reach some kind of like navana Goon navana. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Oh, everyone needs a hobby Don't turn that into a job This is Yeah, I really fascinating read so give it a read. Yeah, you don't know, you know friends with the the goons. What joey? I'm sorry, but I don't know How else do you name this thing? It's weird The goons It is attention grabbing. This is everything that our article should do. Yeah. Um, that's terrifying though yeah, I just I just think it's a greater part of Loneliness for a lot of people and I think a desperate need people to be part of something. Yeah You have to be a part of a group and have well, you know humans at the end of the day are social creatures Yeah, and they will do anything apparently to feel that sense of camaraderie in one way or another. Yeah, unfortunately Uh, but uh, yeah, god, I need I need a piss I need to go goon real quick Goon joey don't goon. Don't do it. Okay. So I know this is a dumb question. Okay I've heard the word goons many times goon goon. What is the definition of the word goon? So goon the initial meaning when it was the first term that was popularized was to like almost like to edge Okay, I know what edging means. Yeah What difference between that and gooning? No, there is no difference. It's the same thing Yeah, but like but the great part about the english language is that words change their meaning depending on how they're used And if they used enough, uh, it will change. So it basically then became to masturbate Uh, and just in any capacity master. Yeah, and then it became more of a kind of an obsessive masturbator So when you goon, it's not like you're just trying to come or just get rid of this whatever You're just you're you're you're a part of like this kind of like You're like your little fucking gremlin using this basement the goon gremlin. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like it's uh Because I remember back in the day where goon used to mean like a dumb person Like are you such a fucking goon? Well, look, I think the the the greatest tragedy of this is that now the mob goon The classic goons from the mobs They've they've were a couple of years lower ranked mob member. Yeah, was the goons of the mob. Yeah And sadly that word is uh now It's lost its charm god. I still think uh, we can bring it back in that way. Yeah But yeah, so, um, really interesting But yeah, very very fascinating how Uh, you know porn has become such a an omnipresent part of uh People's lives now. Why do you think that has become the case? It's just so accessible. Hmm It's Yeah, and I mean like it's a natural human thing to Want to sexually reproduce. I mean everyone masturbates, you know, so um, but for six hours. Fuck That sounds painful daily daily is what that sounds painful. Yeah, you imagine holding your cock for six hours That's a long time Yeah, it just it sounds painful. Yeah, I don't know how you can develop pleasure from that Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm like six hours Six hours for anything is a long time You could watch a lord of the rings movie in a half. Yeah I send an addition. Can you imagine that entire time you're fucking jolking your peanuts? How did the how did the term goon like develop? Well, this person there was just submitted 2006 Holy shit 2006 Yeah, so I guess it has existed. Yeah, it's just now become front and center because I think a lot of words Exist in very small circles. Yeah, and often don't breach containment. Um, yeah until Whatever reason Like I like all the advertisement just says get the goon mug Oh, oh urban dictionary has this ad on every word. Oh really give you an automated ad Looks like I'm buying my next mug Christmas present if you click, uh, I don't know Literally like the word together in there or anything and any of those words like yeah get the masturbate mug In green now. Wow get it in all colors Oh my god, god, that's scary But yeah, the world's changing world is changing The loneliness epidemic, uh, I also watched memories Oh, how was that? What is that? Uh, what is that the one that you recommended? magnetic rose and oh The anime you guys inspired me from track. Yes. I watched it. Yes. Uh, amazing. Yeah, right. Yeah fucking absolutely People I loved all three of the short films. Yeah, right. I'm all quite a lot. I think magnetic rose was the standout. Yeah Toshi con Yeah, yeah, his screenplay was an otama directing is like, uh-huh. It was a very good combination and it felt so stoshy con Yeah, um I love stink bomb too. Stink bomb is also great. I love stink. I like that one as well Really good and then I've got the name of the third one, but I also really like that one too. Canon photo. Yeah Oh, yeah, canon photo. I really like that. Uh, highly recommend we spoke about on the other trash this episode But uh, watch memories if you haven't three Three very different films, you know a man. Oh, I just There's something about old anime movies the way they look. I know when it's done. Oh good when it's done well You know when it's just a different type of animation, you know Yeah in this in one of the short films called canon photo. There is a giant cannon. Yeah, and this cannon is animated So meticulously and and so many mechanical intricacies. Yeah, and the the animation on this is like bro. This guy is such such a gun and Mechanisms, uh animation lover like the beauty of the mechanism moving. It's so it's so apparent. Yeah, like he's like a machine or taku Seriously like watching it you're like you have to be an otaku of how machines work to find this absolutely Yeah, it's really cool. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah getting into older anime Yeah, I mean every single old anime I end up watching, uh, which is so sad because it's I feel like saying 1990 is old Um, it's been really fun and I've really enjoyed them. So I think it's just because any old anime that gets recommended now It it has had to Like yeah, yeah survive the test of time um But yeah, highly recommend memories. Uh, yeah, I think magnetic magnetic rose is the standout for this one But all three of the films Try to do the wrong thing as well and I like kind of photo a lot. Yeah. Yeah, I really like the uh, the uh It's this world where they open up and there's everything's guns and everyone has to go to shoot the guns At an enemy that we never get to see or hear about. Yeah Steenhawk as far. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was really interesting. It was just really uh, it was a very obvious Uh reflection. Yeah, uh, certain war times. I watched a relatively new uh film recently. Um, Japanese film That I just uploaded a video about it today Um, uh exit number eight I want to watch that so bad played uh played the game. Yeah, I've I played the game as well when it came out because it's such a short game Yeah, uh, that movie is legit excellent. Really? It is. Yeah, I was very sceptic of it At first um, because you know if you've played the game There's no story. Uh, yeah It's literally nothing. It's literally just you It's so to explain the original game is just this indie game of uh, it's basically like liminal spaces horror is the only way to describe it But it's essentially your you are trapped inside of a station. Uh Uh an underground japanese train station and you have to get out But the hallway that you go through is a continuous loop that goes on forever And the only way you can escape from it is when you go into a certain hallway You have to look for what the game describes as anomalies Uh, which could be anything could be a visual anomaly. It could be an auditory anomaly. It could be some really weird trippy shit I think the genre is called anomaly games anomaly games. That makes sense. There's a couple of games that are very similar to this Yeah, um, but Essentially, it's like if you spot an anomaly you have to turn back and that increases the counter of the exit by one So it starts off as the arrow points to exit zero And then if you spot an anomaly you turn back if you don't spot an anomaly you keep going and if you get it correct Then the exit number advances and so you have to get eight of them correct in a row For you to get out. Um, and I guess recently This year, uh, they made a japanese production company took this game and made it a film That's crazy that I think it was uh, I think it was like, uh, I think it came out of the kens film festival It's very like art art housey. Um, but it was legit excellent Like it was such a unique film because they did this really cool thing where like in the game Like the first 10 minutes of the film is one shot Right like it's just one continuous shot Or it's edited to look like one continuous shot and they kind of Flip the narrative of um the the hallway if you will as like, have you seen the movie um as above so below? Yes So you know like the whole thing with as above so below is like it's the catacombs is supposed to represent like Each person who went into the catacombs is like personal griefs and stuff like that They have to like kind of get over it to escape from the catacombs Yeah, it's so they kind of did the similar thing with exit number eight where the main character has put in a situation That is like a big life changing decision And that decision fatigue or I guess like paralysis is haunting him and all of those I guess nightmarish Scenarios come out in exadata So it's this whole they flipped it in a way where it's like, oh if you want to escape from this train station then you have to like come to terms with the difficulties you're facing in life and Face it front forward. Yeah, that makes sense. Um, so I was really shocked that they managed to get a story out of that game um, but yeah Fucking fantastic film and it's and it's great as well because it's such a quiet film with very little dialogue So you don't really even need to understand Japanese to watch it Right because like I went with arki and you know her Japanese isn't great, but she understood everything perfectly Yeah, I mean this has been on my because sinney loves horror films And we heard about exit eight and she's been wanting to watch it for ages because she liked the game as well Yeah, um, and we saw it was like pretty well rated. Yeah 6.5 for a horror movie is fucking high. Yeah Um And I'm glad to know that you think it was good. Yeah, I really really enjoyed it And it's like, you know, there's like a couple of jump scares or whatever, but for the most part It's just you know, very psychological horror driven, which I really really enjoy. Yeah So yeah, and also, you know, me or the the main actor Um, he's one of in my opinion one of the best Japanese actors Okay, he's so fucking good because um, he was also in um, do you know the movie lettuce from iro jima? Oh, yeah, I love that movie. Yeah, he was in that so he was in that movie So he's he's up there as a really really good Japanese actor Okay So yeah highly recommend and you know, this is coming from someone who just not like horror films at all I thoroughly enjoyed this one. Right. Yeah, definitely recommend really cool art film Have you guys watched any good films recently? Have you boys watched chainsaw man? Yeah I haven't why why English showing and there is an English showing But chainsaw man and demon slave by the way Is it really? Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's still going on. It's steam slave. Of course it's still going on. I know demon slave is but yeah Yeah, chainsaw man. Yeah chainsaw man still going on. Yeah, I have to have to I want to I want to I think I saw you said absolute cinema It is we should both watch a jersey you can talk about. I know I want to watch it so bad it's I don't know what tatsuki Fujimoto did in terms of like He's getting like the top tier adaptation of everything he's ever made Because they also released um like a theatrical release of a bunch of his short films as well, right? Yeah I mean, I watched a bit of that as well. And it's just like Jesus. They are literally like going to the like one of the barrels Shit, he's been watching this He's just going right on an apk into that one point No, no, no. The collection the collection of short stories he wrote I think a lot of them he wrote like before he fucking debuted as a manga artist So like these are actual like nap back of the napkin ideas that he just released out there And it's just like some of these are great. Apparently some of these ideas. I'm just like now I can see what kind of person you are You can literally see his like taste develop. Yeah Because I assumes when he wrote some of these stories. He was uh a lot younger than uh than he is now um, but yeah, I mean The chance to man movie is a movie that I highly recommend seeing in theaters. It's I really want to yeah I gotta I gotta just do it. Yeah, putting it off. Yeah, same. I've been putting it off because I was like thinking about rewatching in iMacs That was like I'd I've rarely ever want to rewatch movies at all So the chance to man movie was one of the few exceptions where I was like, I need to find time to actually go out Do I dare ask for a rating? What do you dare ask? I don't really give ratings. I know you don't. I don't but is it is it like masterpiece material? I would put it at 9 to 10 out of 10. Damn the only reason I'm not saying 10 out of 10 outright is because I feel like chainsaw man can peak even harder But it's like 99.5. I really really fucking hate it. High price. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah very very high Yeah, I know and I need to watch it dude. I will. I will. Yeah, probably one of the best things I've watched this year Damn, maybe we can all watch it and then um We can we can have a big discussion about yeah, definitely We should not not gonna watch demons layer though. You know, you know, I do want to but it's three and a half fucking How long is it? It's two and a half hours. It does feel like two and a half I will say chainsaw man went in a blink of an eye. Yeah demons layer was uh, you felt like you're watching Gray, but holy shit there are points of that it's like that moment when you move the mouse cursor to see the bar There there is there is that literally happened where um, I'll I'll I'll go I'll go into like it structurally But I won't spoil what happens. Um, you guys are familiar with demons layer. Of course. Yeah, you know how how many flashbacks there are in demons layer Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah Yeah, uh demons layer the infancy castle movie there are Three or four flashback segments. I'd say three and a half flashback segments for different different characters and different events, right? and the the last flashback which is By far, I think honestly like the best flashback that demons layer has done in terms of like the story that it's telling It comes like an hour and 40 minutes into the film And I swear to f*****g christ. It was a 40 40 minute flashback And by and by that point I had already experienced like two flashbacks Yeah, so when the time by the time like the last flashback hits I I was literally like They're gonna wrap this up I thought we were near the end of the I thought we were near the end of the movie as well by the time that last flashback hits Because it had just come out of one of the most hype f*****g fights. Yeah We were reaching the climax of the fight The momentum completely stops to go to flashback and I'm just like, all right. It's gonna be a quick flashback I sit there for 15 minutes. I'm like, we are we are not close to the ending of this flashback And yeah, I don't know it's like to me chainsaw man 100% watch that in cinemas. That is a f*****g Fantastic movie experience. Um, I I would dare say that you don't even need to be like familiar with chainsaw man I mean, obviously it helps a lot But the way the movie is structured and the way they build up the emotional moments and the characters You knowing more about the characters obviously helps a lot, but it's not like a necessity. You can still enjoy it Right is Definitely like more akin to the demon slayer tv series. Right. I got it. Got it. Okay. Where you know, it feels like just a continuation Yeah, yeah, it feels like continuation and I would say that the action scenes in demon slayer are worth the cinema experience Whatever, because it's f*****g crazy. I do want to check it out and I'll try to before it leaves But who knows when it'll leave because it's printing money still so it'll be in cinemas until the second movie comes out I have a feeling That's crazy. Like this thing is a money printing machine. Well, it just makes me think how many more Anime is just going to come to theaters now. I mean, I don't mind. Well, I mean we've had a discussion about this before right like about How it's changing and yeah, especially foreign countries, right? Yeah, that's interesting I mean clearly Fujimoto for example as a creator that's doing it correctly because like even look back which is you know Relatively in his bibliography is a little more of a low key. Yeah, that movie was f*****g amazing Yeah, and it's a 10 out of 10 adaptation. Oh my god. Yeah, when they finally make a movie for goodbye area, dude It's a wrap Yeah, I just it After after goodbye area, that's it, right? That's everything What about the fire punch on oh Shit they're having on fire punch. Oh, no. Yeah, right? Oh, no. Do you think they'll ever Yo, I think with what is happening with all of his adaptations. I'm like someone's gonna buy the bullet Why not? I'd love to see it. I'd love to see it because the first couple of volumes that I read were fascinating Yeah, I would love to see how it how it'll unfold. I would be so excited just to see the Fan reaction. Yeah, the fan reaction. Yeah, people who had just known about Fujimoto from uh, this is a gentle man The f**k is this or even even buy like the spectrum of things chainsaw man is still pretty f*****g weird. Oh, yeah Compared to something like, you know demon slayer for example. Yeah, it's the most accessible Fujimoto work, but that doesn't mean everyone Definitely uh, selects its audience. That's for sure. All right. 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