35.05 - MU Podcast - The Time Slip Experience

Welcome back to Mysterious Universe. We are on Season 35, Episode 5. Today we're going to be talking about time slips, one of my more favorite topics to cover, actually. I found a great book. I am Joe Hodgkin. Joining me is Brandon Thomas. How do? It's good to see you, Joe. I am pumped about time slips. Yeah, it's right up there with NDEs for me. And I know I've kind of beat the NDE horse to death over the last couple weeks, but I found this one in Kindle. and apologies if Ben and Aaron have covered some of these. It's going to happen like we've said before. And there's plenty of people out there that haven't heard these stories. And I'm sure there's new ones always popping up. But this book was published in 2021. So it's relatively new. But it's covering some stories from the last basically 100 years. So I pulled out some of the best ones. And I actually really like the way he did this book too. This is by Anthony Meyer. because he adds a little commentary, and then at the end he includes some theories about what might be going on, so we'll get into that, but what do you have coming up in Plus? Very cool, man. Well, I'm looking forward to it. Again, time slips are crazy. I love stories like that. They're mysterious as shit because who had the time slip? Sometimes there's other observers that give alternate perspectives of the same event, which then verify the event. It's wild. Oh, yeah. Coming up in Plus, so we are going to continue down the nuclear rabbit hole and continue to bring a new, clear perspective to this crazy puzzle that we've started unraveling here, I suppose. If you can unravel a puzzle, that's what we're doing with it. I loved it. And if you missed that, that's the last Plus episode we did on Tuesday. It's definitely an interesting one, controversial, you could say. And, you know, people get mad about new ideas, so that's fine. Well, that's it. We're asking questions. A beautiful work by Tamara Sheville. She wrote this incredibly cool book about nuclear hoaxes and how it's probably not real. There's a whole slide show associated with this thing as well. You guys check the link down in the show description, the very first one for the extension there. And you can follow along with us as we're doing these slides. She also has a printed version of that work, but she put it all online for free in reverse order because that's the way it works, right? When you're uploading to Instagram. but it's fascinating. We've gone over all kinds of cool things and just really, like we said, asking really interesting questions to see. And on this one, we're going to do nuclear reactors, see if there are anything more than just some fancy way to bowl water and all kinds of different things, guys. So definitely stick around for it. Check the link down there and sign up for inescapable. Now is a good time to get on, on that action and to check out the new guys, their new show coming up here in a couple of weeks. You get both shows. You go ahead and sign up now. It's coming up soon. We're already almost mid-February. I know it's only the third or whatever day this comes out, but it's coming up quick. Yes. It went by fast. Time is moving. Yeah, so stick around for that in plus. And again, we're just asking questions. And I did like that she put it out for free, and you can also buy a paperback on Amazon. Of course, we'll link to that too. Absolutely. If you want to read the full thing. Yep. But let's get into the time slip experience by Anthony Meyer. And he starts out by, so there's a ton of stories in this book. It's not really that big of a book, but there are quite a few stories. And he starts out by describing to him what a time slip is. And I'll just kind of quickly go over that for people who aren't familiar with a time slip. But I think most listeners pretty much are. So he describes a time slip as a paranormal event in which a person or group of people unexpectedly find themselves interwoven into the fabric of a different period of time. They suddenly, without warning, find themselves transported back to an era that has passed, sometimes long past. Occasionally, views of the future materialize. Quite often, it is not immediately obvious to them that anything odd has happened. It is only when they see unexpected features or events around them that they realize something is not as it should be. Examples include encountering people dressed in clothing dating from a past era, seeing all the vehicles on the road as vintage models, and watching the long-abandoned practice of bull baiting in the square of a medieval market town. I had to look up what bull baiting was. It's not what it sounds like. What is the mind wanders? What is bull baiting there for clarity? Yeah, it's pretty messed up. It's just a kind of archaic practice of training dogs to attack a bull. It was blood sport. Oh, okay. Well, fucking gross medieval times. Basically medieval dogfights, but with a bull. Okay, yeah. And apparently the dogs they'd use were the predecessors to the modern English bulldog, of which my dog happens to be half English bulldog. Oh, so they're more susceptible to like jump up and grab balls and stuff and dangle from them with their weight? Mostly English Bulldogs are just kind of ding-dongs. Okay, I got you. The ones I've known at least. Okay. So, and then he also includes his, well, his perspective on the three different types. And obviously there's more than this, but in general, he puts them into three categories as a usually short duration. This is type one, an experience, usually a short duration, where the altered scene is clearly visible. But if strangers are encountered, they give no indication that they see the witness. And to the people encountered, the witness is simply a silent, invisible bystander. Then we go to type two, and this is an experience of any duration where the altered scene is again clearly visible. But if strangers are encountered, they appear to be aware of the presence of the witness, but there's no dialogue. And then the third type is usually long duration, but if strangers are encountered, they are fully aware of the presence of the witness and dialogue usually takes place. It's like Hynek's Blue Book Association of the first and second kind and everything like that. Yeah, kind of. Only with time slips. Right, with time slips. I like it. He starts out, the first story in this book is the Moberly-Jordain incident. And this is, it was popularized after its publication in January of 1911. So we're going back over 100 years. And this book was called An Adventure. Quite an enchanting title. Okay. The whole book was about this event? It just says it was published in this book. Oh, okay. I see. It might be another compilation of crazy shit like this book. Yeah, it could be. Very cool. So he does, he goes into more detail on this story than most of the rest of them. A lot of them are really short, but this one's one of the longer ones. And it's about these two women who found themselves walking through a landscape that had long since changed. And so this bygone era they encountered, conversation was exchanged. So this would be definitely a type three. This is a type three, okay. And that's why he says it's worth describing this event in detail. Yeah. So it says, on the 10th of August in 1901, these two English biddies, their good friends, Charlotte Moberly and Eleanor Jourdain, no relation to Anthony, I'm sure. Anthony Bourdain? Oh, Bourdain. Just because it rhymes? I love that. Oh my God, this whole time I was thinking the chef. Rest in peace. Love it. Gone too soon. So they're traveling by train from Paris to visit the Palace of Versailles. and they'd stayed in Paris for about three weeks. They're making daily expeditions without hurry or fatigue. They're just kind of, you know, on holiday, having a good time. And both these women were academics and both came from professional backgrounds. I think they include that just to kind of, you know, give it more credibility. Yeah, you know, they're not old nutty biddies. They're just old biddies. They're just biddies. Non-nutty types. Spinsters. Not a bit mental. So Charlotte's father, George Moberly, was the headmaster of Winchester College and later became the bishop of Salisbury. Eleanor's father, the Reverend Francis Jourdain, was the vicar of Ashburn in Derbyshire. And I apologize. There's a lot of French and English words in here. And go ahead, roast away, because I don't know how to pronounce French words. It's too many letters for how the word sounds. Yeah, and he had like a... with it. Yeah, like you're hocking something up. So they're walking through the rooms and galleries of the Versailles Palace, and they decided to visit the Petit Trianon. It's a nearby chateau, and it was given by Louis XVI to Marie Antoinette, also rest in peace and your head, for her exclusive use and enjoyment. She frequented this Trianon on a regular basis in order to escape the stifling formality of court life. And so they're looking through this copy of Bedeker's guide map and they set off in the general direction of the Trianon. And in Charlotte's words, she says, the weather had been very hot all week, but on this day the sky was a little overcast and the sun shaded. There was a lively wind blowing and the woods were looking at their best and we both felt particularly vigorous. It was a most enjoyable walk. But, they lost their way and were glad to come across these two men wearing tricorn hats and long green coats or uniforms, I guess, standing next to a wooden wheelbarrow. So they're kind of lost walking, you know, just leisurely. Like they said, there's, it's a great day for a bitty walk. And they, they thought they were gardeners and, you know, being gardeners with a wheelbarrow, they thought they would probably know the area very well. So they asked them for directions to the petite trianon. But they were met with a gruff and curt response and told them to just carry on. They were like, get out of here. And that's, he actually mentions a little bit about that weird response later. Move along, biddies. Yes, move along, biddies. So in Eleanor's words though, she says, I remember repeating my question on how to find this place because they answered in a seemingly casual and mechanical way, but I only got the same answer in the same manner. Almost like a, sounds like a men in black type of deal, you know, where they're cold. They're on loop or something. They just have one response. Oh, as we were standing there, I saw to the right of us, a detached, solidly built cottage with some steps at the door. A woman and girl were standing at the doorway. And I particularly noticed their unusual dress. Both wore white kerchiefs tucked into the bodice and the girl's dress, though she looked 13 or 14 was down to her ankles because obviously if you showed ankle back then you were a whore scandalous yeah the woman was passing a jug to the girl whose light brown hair escaped from under her close white cap i remember that both seemed to pause for an instant as in a but we passed on and i did not see the end so the reason they include all these little details just because of how it's almost like truth is stranger than fiction type of idea. Why would you remember this random woman passing the jug to the girl? I really appreciate all the detail, though, that they put into it. Back then, they didn't have a whole lot going on, so everybody journaled and wrote down every last detail. They weren't walking through this garden on Facebook trying to take shitty pictures of it and emailing friends about how cool they were and that their friends who weren't there aren't. And they were just in the moment, living it, recalling every detail. They weren't going, hey, chat, what do you think of my time slip? Hashtag weird. AI, am I having fun right now? Is this cool? Because I can't tell. Tell me if I'm having fun. Right. So they followed the directions, and Charlotte and Eleanor walked on briskly, but the path pointed out seemed to take them away from where the supposed petite trianon was where it was supposed to be. at this point both became aware of a change in mood that had overtaken them and mober ellen i'm trying to use their first names here charlotte says an extraordinary depression had come over me which in spite of every effort to shake it off steadily steadily deepened there seemed to be absolutely no reason for it i was not at all tired and was becoming more interested in my surroundings so it's more vitality they were like simultaneously this weird feeling but they're also very intrigued by it right and uh eleanor kind of echoes this and says there was a feeling of depression and loneliness about the place i began to feel as if i was walking in my sleep the heavy dreaminess was oppressive and they both like in a lot of these weird paranormal accounts they don't really talk to each other about that feeling till afterwards, but they both noticed it. And this is an interesting thing to consider too, if your time slipping out or time traveling at all is do the people in the area set the vibe or the tone? Like, you know, a place when you walk into a room and you're just like, man, everybody just bummed out. Beijing, by the way, was one of these. It was just a bummer town, man. Everybody was just bummed out. It was a heavy feeling to the entire area. And would that be time specific, maybe based on the geographical location that you're in, depending on which air quote time that you slip through. But is it more governed by the entities around, by the heaviness of the day? You know, people are getting beheaded and all this kind of shit, scurvies running around still probably. That's a heavy vibe. And if you slip to that time, are you then taking on that vibe or if you're sensitive to it, you could probably feel it pretty strongly? Probably. And it's probably a combination of a lot of things regional, regional specific in time period, economic, political, all of that stuff. So it does kind of make sense that they would take on that weird kind of oppressive feeling if they were in that time. Exactly. It's like a cautionary set and setting tale for time travelers. Yeah. So they continue along this path, though, apparently going to this place they're trying to get to. And they didn't talk about their feelings about how weird it felt or anything at the time. And they came across a small circular building or kiosk, as they described it, consisting of some columns roofed in and set back in the trees. And seated on the steps of this leading into the structure was a man with a heavy black cloak around his shoulders wearing a slouch hat. He turned slowly to look at the women. They clearly saw his face, which was dark and swarthy and pockmarked by smallpox. His oppression they describe as evil yet unseeing. and both of the women at the same time felt a really strong repugnance towards him. And then just then they heard the sound of running footsteps coming up behind them, but when they turned around to see who it was, they didn't see anybody. What? Do you think the dude took off after him? Or like a ghost kid, like time slip kid, footsteps or something? I mean, if they're really doing this weird back in time thing, it could have been anything. It's already weird enough. Right. But all at once, they became aware of a handsome, long-haired young man in a state of agitation standing beside them. So they hear these footsteps, and they turn around, nobody's there, but then all of a sudden this long-haired dude's standing next to them. Oh, that's weird. For some reason, almost every story in this book really focuses in on the type of hat they're wearing. And I think that's because those are pretty time period specific. Yeah. And you'll see that as we go. Yeah, like if you're wearing a Warped Tour hat, we know that you were probably of a certain era. Right, probably late 90s, early 2000s. Cool, now we know where we are. Right, same with the bowler, a slouch hat, as you said. Yes, and a trilby later, and I had to look up what a trilby hat was. A trilby? Next story, yeah. Okay, we'll get to it. Ooh. Yeah. So he's wearing, this long-haired dude, though, is wearing a wide-brimmed hat, dark cloak, and buckled shoes, and had a florid expression suggesting he had been running for some time. So he's gassed, which is probably the footsteps they heard, but they didn't associate it with that at the time. So Charlotte says the suddenness of his appearance was something of a shock. The man behaved in a very excited manner and blurted out, Madame, madames, and says all these French words. I'm not going to even try to pronounce. You sure you don't want to give a couple a go? Okay. I glad we did it I should really learn French I think I mentioned I a quarter French It might be the most useful language we could learn in this job honestly with as many documents as we get in French It's a pretty sexy language. I'm not going to lie, but it doesn't. My English brain cannot wrap my head around how to pronounce these words. And he pointed out with great earnestness to a path leading off to the right. As this track led away from the kiosk with its sinister occupant, the ladies were only too glad to follow the young man's advice. Oddly, in turning to thank him, he had vanished into thin air, even though the sound of running footsteps could be heard close by. Oh, quick feet. And at this point, Charlotte described the scenery around them. Everything looked unnatural, therefore unpleasant. Even the trees behind the building seemed to have become flat and lifeless like a wood worked in tapestry. Ugh. There were no effects of light and shade, and no winds stirred the trees. It was all intensely still. So they're trying to fight off this weird, depressive mood, and they just keep moving. They passed over a small, rustic bridge that crossed a shallow ravine, and shortly afterwards, they caught sight of the Petite Trianon. Rough grass grew right up to the terraces of the Trianon, and set amidst the grass, Charlotte saw a woman holding out a piece of paper as though to examine it at arm's length. She says, old-timey looking clothing. And Charlotte looked straight at her, but some indescribable feeling made her turn away, annoyed at her being there. They mounted the steps up to the terrace of the Petit Trainon and passed a smaller house next to it. Suddenly a door in this building opened and a teenage boy stepped out, slamming the door behind him. And again, Charlotte says, he had the jaunty manner of a footman, but no livery and called to us saying that, The way into the house was by the cour d'honneur and offered to show us the way around. He looked inquisitively amused as he walked by us. And then they include a quote here from Eleanor. And she says, while we were on the terrace, a boy came out the door of a second building, which opened on which opened onto it. And I still have the sound in my ears of his slamming it behind us and seeing us hesitate with a peculiar smile of suppressed mockery offered to show us the way. The feeling of dreariness was very strong there and continued till we actually reached the front entrance of this place they're trying to get to. The boy seemed to indicate that the lady should not be where they were and was insistent on his redirection to the entrance of the main house. Thus, this was the second figure who, without solicitation, had urged them to follow a particular route. So all these people are trying to get him to go, like, almost like, you need to leave. Like, this isn't the right way to go. Which is counter to other lore that we hear of mysterious people or people stumbling upon mysterious people in mysterious places would be that they're baited in and they're offered food and drink and they're told, hey, stay as long as you want or come deeper into the forest with me, you know, come hang out, take your pants off. But this, it was ladies, you got to get out of here, you biddies, you don't belong here. yeah and it's like the the people they encountered knew it too and i imagine they would if they actually are looking at their clothes too and the way they're acting they're like you're out of place we can't put our finger on it but you're out of place for some reason or did it happen so often that they saw people with weird clothes all the time and were just shooing off time travelers not knowing what they were doing or what they were encountering and i would think maybe it would be easier to go back in time than it would to go forward in time what do you think do you think the the heavier energy there's a lot of debate on that yeah some people think you can go back in time but can't change it like this but this but this in this case though these class threes it would seem that you're still affecting that time period if it's the time period you're talking about and then this calls into question alternate timelines are you when you go back seeing a different version of that time not the actual time with Marie Antoinette you saw a version where she didn't get her head to cut off or something like that and live to be a different age or whatever You know, do you see the actual thing? Because then you would have been visible in their time. Or is the fact that you're visible in their time all history anyway? And so you have to go there like that bootstrap paradox to make sure that you're visible to the people that observed you, even though you shouldn't have been there in the first place. And that's why I love this topic in particular is because there's so many, you know, theories and debates on it. And it makes me think like if there's ghostly apparitions or whatever people call ghosts or poltergeists, is that just somebody in a time slip from the future? And so it's not that it changed anything so much as it was a weird thing that happened and then it disappeared. And then in 100 years, somebody actually goes back to this time and is like, what is this? Where am I? That is a story I've heard on MU. And there are countless stories like that. This is one of my favorite things, though, is that paradox. That's the bootstrap paradox. You have to have one to exist for the other to have experience the other to report it. And where does that end? Where does it begin? This is the crazy thing about this. Is then your life the whole point of it to make sure that you go back in time at that point and interact with that timeline at some degree? Because it was part of your life and it was part of theirs. So it was almost like if you had the history, you would know it was you. And there are stories like this where, oh, I have this story of man when I was a kid. I think it's Mike Ricksecker. He has a story where he was a kid, he saw somebody in the kitchen, but it wasn't him. It was him from the future of him in an old age, because then he remembers him at that old age eating a sandwich, standing there. He turned around and saw a kid version of himself and he connected the two. It's this kind of crazy shit. So your memory from you as a kid was seeing you in the kitchen as an older person. Yeah. Weird. And it seems paradoxical and they are, but it's, um, it's almost like it happened. So it always did happen. So it's not so much that it changed anything. It's just that's how it always was. And this is the order it happened in. It's the inevitability of it. That's the point. That's the bootstrap paradox of it. That you've got to do it for it to have happened at all. It's inevitable. That's bizarre, man. These are the things, man. So then they finally step inside the house. And as soon as they did, the atmosphere lightened. She says, we were very much interested and felt quite lively again. so that weird depression kind of lifted. And that's where their experience ended. They took a carriage back into Versailles for tea before returning to Paris that evening. It wasn't until sometime later, when the two women were discussing and comparing their recollections of Versailles, that they realized their rather odd experiences on the 10th of August in 1901 had taken on a deeper, much more surreal complexion. Both confirmed an unaccountable sense of depression and dreamlike loneliness throughout the event. After independently writing down their memories of that day, it became apparent that they were in strong agreement with the events that had occurred, except that the sketching woman in front of the petite trianon, seen clearly by Miss Moberly, was not noticed by Miss Jourdain. Moberly, Charlotte, was dumbfounded by this since they had both walked by it very close to this figure who had raised her head as if in acknowledgment of their presence. Both ladies then embarked on detailed research into the history of the Palace of Versailles and its grounds. Documents and maps were scrutinized and historians were consulted. So they did some back-end work on this because they're like, this is too bizarre. We've got to look into this. They soon concluded that somehow they had walked back in time to 1789, the year of the French Revolution. And this is interesting to me because it's one of those high-impact historical things. And that seems almost like the stone tape thing where something with high emotional importance or, you know, that kind of idea gets imprinted somehow or it's a better and easier way to slip back into that. Yeah, you're slipping into the astrology of the time, which we know a lot of people claim makes them feel they feel the astrology. They can feel it like a harmonic resonant going by and it feels a certain way. It adds a certain tone or a color to the experience. And then you do this times the number of planets you got. And then you do this in a different time period. And I would definitely say that there'd be an effect on it, especially like you said, the fact that it's the revolution. You've got a lot of different energies. You have new expansive energies creating something new, but it's got to burn the old down to do it. And there's a lot of clinging to old in that process as well. Very interesting. Yeah. So their experience was on the 10th of August, 1901 again. And in their research, they discovered the Bastille was taken in July of 1789, and the rabble descended on Versailles in October. So they're kind of in this weird in-between-ness. They did establish the following points, though, and they actually have a whole list of them here. The attire of all the people they met matched the fashion of late 18th century France. So they agreed on that. Check. Charlotte clearly identified the sketching lady as Queen Marie Antoinette from a painting by Wirtmüller. From court records, they identified a man perfectly fitting the image of the repugnant, dark-skinned individual sitting by the kiosk. He was the Compe de Vaudreuil, a Creole whose face bore the scars from a previous smallpox infection. Damn. So they wrote down their accounts and then went back and did all this research. And it's weird that all these people would be in close proximity, almost like it's several different times they were going through and they weren't all in the same time period. That is a great question. How do you hit all these superstars in one area at the time and what were the likelihood of them all being exactly on the same path that these ladies were walking? Right. Wow. The agitated demeanor of the tall caped man who came running up excitedly behind them was compared extraordinarily well with a written eyewitness account of events of the 5th of October in 1789. On this day, a messenger was sent to the Trinon to warn the queen of the approach of the mob from Paris. So he's, you know, running because you didn't really. Bitch thing coming for your head. Yes. The queen wanted to walk back to the palace, but the messenger begged her to wait while he fetched her carriage as it was safer to drive back by the broad roads of the park. In this contemporary account, the messenger was described as a garçon de la chambre, trembling in all his limbs, in quotes. Buckles on the shoes. What's that? He had buckles on the shoes. Yeah. He bowed just as the figure seen by Charlotte and Eleanor had done and then hastily ran off at full pace. In July 1904, the pair paid for another trip to the Trinon to try to retrace their steps. And in Charlotte's words, we went up the lane as at the first time and turned to the right. From this point, everything was changed. We spent a long time looking for the old past, but there was no trace of them. The kiosk was gone, so was the ravine and the little cascade that had fallen from a height above our heads. Exactly where the lady was sitting, we found a large spreading bush of apparently many years' growth. And although no trace of the kiosk could be found on the second visit, consultation of a map dated from 1783, supplied by the authorities at Versailles, showed the outline of a small building in the exact position where it was seen in the haunting walk of 1901. Damn. And on a later visit, the door through which the jaunty teenage boy had stepped out, slamming the door behind him, was found to be that of the Petit Trianon Chapel. The chapel was now in a ruinous state. The staircase behind the door had disintegrated, and Charlotte and Eleanor were reliably informed that the door was sealed off and had not been used for upwards of 15 years. By way of an explanation, Charlotte wondered whether she had inadvertently entered within an act of the queen's memory when alive, and perhaps this explained our curious sensation of being shut in and oppressed. Then thinking about those fearful days of incarceration leading up to the queen's demise, what's more likely that she had gone back in vivid memory to other Augusts spent at the Trianon and that some impress of it was imparted to the place. And Anthony's commentary here on this particular story, he says, the Versailles episode is one of the most intriguing and prolonged time slip events to have been brought to public notice, but as we will see later in the book, their experience was not unique. Now, all of these stories in the book, from what I could tell, are all from England or, you know, that area of Europe. And that's a question too. Do these happen all over? Are they more regionally specific? Because crop circles, yes, they're found everywhere, but they're also found exclusively in this little area in the UK, pretty predominantly. Yeah, and it makes you wonder if it's just because it's, you know, older or, you know, more things happen. I don't know. Yep, something to do with something going on underground there. Who knows? So these next ones, there's three events, three separate events in Liverpool, in particular on a thoroughfare called Bold Street. So there's a number of these time slip experiences that have originated from Liverpool and Meserside areas of Lancashire. In particular, the highest saturation of time anomaly events has occurred in and around the thoroughfare of Bold Street. It's right in the city center, too. So this is 1996 July. An off-duty police officer, Frank, and his wife, Carol, came to Liverpool to do some shopping. They went their separate ways. Carol went to a bookshop on Bold Street, and Frank went to a nearby record store. About 20 minutes later, he was walking back towards the bookshop where he arranged to meet his wife and on entering Bold Street. So he was a little bit off of it. Upon getting back onto Bold Street, he entered a dead spot of quietness. Here we go with the Oz. The Oz, yeah. So there's a total, you know, no sound at all. And then right after that, this commercial van comes speeding up close to him. And he said it looked like it was something out of the 1950s. And it's honking. And he noticed that the van had the name Kaplan's printed on the side. He crossed the road and saw that the Dillon's bookshop, where his wife was supposed to be, it wasn't there anymore. Oh no. And instead it was a store with the name Crips above its two entrances. Nothing to do with the gang, I'm assuming. Okay. Okay. But he's, he's looking through the window and he couldn't see any books. And that's when he's like, Oh, he just saw women's handbags and shoes. So obviously he's very confused. He turns around and looks back towards the street. And he noticed that the male passerbys, passers-by were wearing long overcoats and trilby hats trilby hat is similar to a fedora i've learned except it has a a smaller brim and it has that weird like turned up part in the back oh if you look it up you'll recognize that it looks like like a 1950s hat like the fighting irish the dude that's got the little squatty hat on okay yes uh and the women were dressed in what he what it looked like to him clothes from the 40s or 50s but then he was relieved because he sees this young woman dressed in what looked like 1990s garb like jeans a sleeveless top that kind of thing not a warp tour hat though okay fair enough and she was carrying a miss selfridge bag and that company started in 1966 but it's still around today uh as of 2021 from what i could tell huh she walked into Crips and Frank followed her in but as soon as he walks in the scene changed from the interior with all the clothing and handbags back to Dylan's with all the books in there so I gotta know did the lady acknowledge anything like she was out of time too did she look around like shit's weird or did she just casually walk up like oh purses well it's in the next couple sentences Oh, shit. Okay. So he sees all the books, and so he's like, oh, well, I'm back to the present or whatever this is. And the girl with the 90s clothes on turns around to leave, and Frank just says, hey, did you see that? And she said, yeah, I thought it was a shop that had just opened, and I was going to look at clothes, then realized it was a bookshop. What? So she had the exact same experience where she saw Crips and was like, oh, I need to go find some clothes, and walks in, and it's just nothing but books. whoa I'm glad we got resolution in that so Frank did meet up with his wife eventually and she said she hadn't experienced anything out of the ordinary and so this account went public and when they heard about Frank strange experience there is a number of people who confirmed that a shop named Cripps had operated from the exact location of the Dillon bookstore And it now called Waterstones And that there was indeed a firm called Kaplan's in existence in 1950s Liverpool. We got to go see this bookshop. We need to go on that street in general. For sure. So he says, Anthony says, the author, obviously he says, so here we have a level headed police trained witness, not given to fanciful thoughts who experienced this extraordinary event. Interestingly, it appears that another person was also caught up in the time slip, yet those within the bookshop were oblivious to anything odd. So I don't think it's, I mean, it makes it sound like the actual door to that place is the portal, except that he noticed it changed before he even got there. Before he got up to the door, it changed back into the bookstore? No, as he was walking through the door, poof, it's a bookshop now. But he noticed it when he left the record store and got onto the street. Everything looked different. And that's when the Kaplan's van drove by and he saw the sign that said Crips. And then when he walks in there is when everything changed back to the present. See, and again, I'm wondering if there was some old sewer system or something under the street there. And there's something to do with the physical street that runs, of course, up to the thresholds of all of those things. You know what I mean? you're getting ahead of me again no fucking look at you tuned in uh so the second one out of these this three event uh thing here they'd put together uh this other mysterious event in liverpool happened to a teenage girl called imogen she had traveled to the city's city to buy some items for her sister's new baby she was pleased to find that a mother care store had opened on the corner of lord street and white chapel and while browsing around she was surprised to see how inexpensive everything was. Yeah. Good deals back in time, huh? Yeah. And she was thinking, oh, maybe it's a new shop. Maybe it has introductory offers. Just bring people in. And she was stoked. And she's like, all right, cool. I'm going to go pay for this stuff for five cents or whatever. And she walked up to the counter to pay and tries to give him her credit card. Silly time traveling. The cashier's looking at her like, huh? And went to go grab the manager. He's like, we got a Karen out here. We need the manager. I'm playing with some plastic. I don't even know what plastic is. She's trying to pay with this little thing. So she comes back with the manager, and they told Imogen, we don't take cards. And she didn't have enough cash in her purse, so she was like, okay, and put everything back and left. On her way home, though, she told her mother what had happened, and her mom was kind of confused and said, that store closed years ago. There's a bank there now, and actually, it's where I have my account. and obviously not believing her, Imogen took her mother back to the same place the next day and it was a bank, just as her mom said. And it would have been interesting to see the reaction of the girl behind the till if Imogen had offered current issue bank notes. I mean, they have dates on them. Right. The cashier would have been like, what? It's good that she didn't even know credit cards were a thing at all. Yeah. Damn. So the third one in Liverpool is about a 19-year-old man named Sean. This is in 2006, and he was caught shoplifting by a security guard. And so Sean dashes out of the shop and runs along Hanover Street, closely followed by the guard. Then he runs into this alley, and just expecting, he's kind of given up. He's like, oh, it's a blind alley. I'm caught. I'm messed. You know, they got me. But the guard did not show up. Instead, about two minutes later, Sean's walking back down Hanover Street again, and that's when he noticed something was a little off. The surroundings had all changed, the road was narrower, the pavement was uneven, and the cars driving by were not those contemporary with 2006. The roadworks that he had passed earlier had vanished. He suffered a strange, tight sensation in his chest and felt it hard to breathe. So he crosses over to Bold Street. He noticed a set of traffic lights where there were none before. Then he remembered his phone, took it from his pocket, but there was no signal. Now he's panicking, and he sees a kiosk selling newspapers and runs over to take a look. And he looked at the most current edition of the Liverpool Daily Post, and the date was May 18, 1967. So a good 40 years or 39 years earlier. Wow. So he runs down the street again. He tries his phone and totally relieved. Now his phone works. and he had apparently escaped this time slip so weird but strangely though he looked back down the road from where he had just come from and he could still see people in cars from 1967 so there's like a down the street yeah he's looking back down where he came from his phone works now but it it still looks like it's 1967 so there's almost like an invisible boundary or something. Which makes sense with the way that Frank and his wife, well, his wife didn't, but the way Frank the policeman experienced it too. It's like he walked past an invisible barrier and it changed. Yeah, another 60s chick. That's crazy. Yeah, it's really weird. So he's obviously shaken by this and he gets on a bus and goes home. And the security guard was questioned later and the security guard said that he knew he had cornered the suspect after he had run into that blind alley. But seconds later, when he got there, the thief had completely disappeared. So when the local newspaper investigated Sean's description of his surroundings, they found that the shops and layout he remembered were accurate for the area as it was in 1967, which is what the newspaper said. The newspaper he looked at. The events described above are just a few of the many strange occurrences in the Bold Street area. There was another witness in 2010 that described leaving a clothing store to find that everything had changed. It's a common theme here. Everything just looked different. Trees, bushes, buildings, they were all different. The people were wearing the old-fashioned clothes, the old-fashioned hats, looked like 1950s, and very surreal, you know, the same type of thing. But with this account, though, she turned to go back into the store, but the door she had just exited wasn't there, and the whole building had changed. She kind of freaked out and went to where the door was now, which led to a totally different shop. then all of a sudden just like that she found herself transported back to normality shaken and totally bewildered it's it's really weird that all these are in the same area and this is where his commentary comes in so a lot of theories were put forward to try to explain all these weird incidents and they call it the call it a hot spot so the ground beneath this area is a mixture of sandstone and quartz creating a strong magnetic field that may influence visual perception also So high voltage rails for the Liverpool subway system just so happened to form a tight circle at this point. Maybe this can create a portal to the past. Interestingly, nearly all time slips encountered in Bold Street regress to the regress the percipient. I don't think I've ever heard that word. Yeah, the percipient, like someone participating in learn something new every day. I love it. Anyway, it seems to regress all these people back to a specific time period, specifically the 1950s and 60s. Other time slip events reported elsewhere can take the witness back to a variety of different eras, even back to the Viking epochs. So, yeah, it's... And now I'm wondering what happened... Okay, you may have said it. In the 60s, is that when they set up the transit system underground? I don't know if it specifically said when they set that up. Because then that's the question is if you're time traveling back to the same area, what happened in the 60s or whenever that area was to make that the loop back point? It could be. I mean, when we talk about high impact events or the way that the architecture, like who knows? Yeah, exactly. There's so many different ways you can go with it. Well, it is. And then the question is, was there fuckery going on around underneath the ground? Did they have a CERN underground that they didn't tell anybody about and it just happened to be right there? This crazy shit happened. They got a bail on it and then go somewhere else. Exactly what I was thinking is that CERN type of idea with the subway. Yeah, if it's got something like that underground, maybe that was already there. We're not even saying that they built all the subways that they're claiming to. Just look into Seattle for that. That's a wild thing to claim that you did that right when you got there. and the sewer system they have, just the most advanced thing, but it was a crazy number of people in the town. We don't have time to go over it, Joe, but you get the idea. That time slips like that are just so interesting to think about. Maybe there's things buried all over the place and maybe there's like a extraterrestrial craft that crashed here thousands of years ago or something long before humanity and it's just been emitting something or its power system finally crapped out and shot out a pulse of energy that rippled the time around it or it's on this consistent pulse or something like this. Like, are there things even deliberately buried around the place to screw with time? Very interesting. And the other thing I kept thinking about is there's obviously a bunch of other people on the street at the same time. So why is it only happening to some people? Is it a perception thing? Well, and if you had more than one 90s witness in a 60s event, like the chick in the bookstore, that's a shared event. That's crazy that they both acknowledged that the time was different. They saw it. They went through it. And then, like you said, is it something to where it's particular to the individual? Is this a bloodline thing? There's the biology in you. Your DNA unlocks this particular time slip. Is the astrology got something to do with it? Is it cyclical? Is there a certain time of year when if you're on Old Street in this area, you will probably slip into the 60s or something? Yeah, it seems to be a combination of a lot of things because no one explanation covers all the possibilities. And now it's interesting to think about Austin Powers because where was he time traveling at? So, the UK to the 60s. Yep. Interesting. This next one is called the East End Bombsite Timeslip. It was 1947. And evacuee sisters Beryl and Daisy, aged seven and nine respectively, had returned to their parents' home in Whitechapel. Again, the Whitechapel reference. Yeah. The war was over, but the streets were strewn with rubble and still very much a part of the landscape, and the buildings still standing were propped up with massive wooden frames. Although they were warned of the dangers of going near the ruins, for many children, the bomb sites provided an exciting adventure playground. Sure. Because this was 1947, and that's what kids did back in the day is play outside. That's what we did in the 80s, and we didn't have bombed-out sites. We just had forests and stuff. We would have absolutely done this and bombed outsides. So this is especially the case when word got around that gold coins or valuable jewelry had been discovered under the debris. So little kids going out there to loot. This is a dull spring day. These sisters, Cheryl, or Cheryl, Beryl and Daisy, set off on a jaunt. In Beryl's words, it was cold, and we walked for what seemed like ages down these damp streets. Most of the buildings were in various stages of falling down. we ended up in a street called well close square it was an odd place she remembers thinking how strange it was that one tall house in the square remained undamaged just one out in the middle of all these all this rubble she walked around to the rear of this property and found the back garden choked with weeds the smell of the weeds created a strange atmosphere and while she was exploring an outhouse at the end of the garden exploring an outhouse yeah barrel found herself inside the house. She saw a woman in old fashioned clothes wearing a white linen cap who's bending over a large metal pot that was suspended above roaring flames in the fireplace. So she's looking at this going, what just happened? And all of a sudden two more people pop up. One was a woman dressed in gray wearing a crumpled bonnet. The other a man wearing a green coat with ribbings on the front. On his head though, this man wore a tall military style hat, later identified as a Shaco or Shaco. And it's kind of one of those, you know, you know, old military style hats, got small little brims, kind of tall and cylindrical. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And all of a sudden, a small boy dressed in a blue gown came into view. He seemed to notice Beryl, giving her an inquisitive look, and then waved at her. Moments later, the boy's mood seemed to change. He appeared to start shouting and pointed directly towards her in an agitated state, as if trying to catch the attention of the others in the room. strangely she could not hear the sound of his voice and the adults in the room seemed to pay the boy no heed so what does that sound like oh it sounds like imaginary friends she was in a she was the poltergeist right there's a ghost there this is the thing when your kid comes to you with an imaginary friend maybe it's somebody stuck in a time loop that's just as confused as they are but kids maybe have the ability to tune into it and see it because they're willing to see it they're willing to see something crazy out of place in their world because they don't have a reason not to man that's trippy they don't have all the filters that are instilled by uh you know school and yeah culture oh like those kids that walk around they point in the corner of the room they say something like hi it's like oh yeah we're like when you see your cat staring at something and it's like tracking something and you go what are you looking at you ding dong this would be something i'm interested in the details of these folks slipping in and out of time do animals notice you and especially what kind of animals and do you eat cats and stuff like that do they see you do they hiss do they run away or do they just stare at you like we're i like this explanation for ghosts a lot more than it's a dead person hanging out we've talked about this we want the dead to move on and know it you know time slips make so much more sense and then ideologically as well we can kind of wrap our stomachs around the idea that time slips are possible and can slip in and out we've talked about the fun bootstrap you know paradoxes of it all but then yes to think that you're just dead and trapped here and you don't know that and that's one of the possibilities for these aimless things wandering around i'm with you i vote time slips man for sure well and it makes sense too if you think about some of the stories of you know apparent ghosts where they're either floating or like halfway in the floor because that's where the ground was at the time yes the ground was lower uh futurama did this remember when they went in time so far all the way to the end of the Big Bang and then they kept going and it started again. But that universe was 10 feet higher than the one before it. And so they dropped on themselves and killed themselves, absolutely negating the issues with Paradox. Yeah. I love that. She's obviously spooked and she's backing up a little bit and then just ran from the house. And she also added later that inside the furniture looked really old fashioned with spindly chairs and striped wall coverings. and even though a fire was roaring away in the large fireplace, she didn't feel any heat from it. She dashed back across the weedy back garden to tell Daisy that there were people living in the house. So they both go back inside and all they found was a dusty room full of bricks and rubble overlaid with planks of wood, lumps of coal strewn against the wall and it smelled damp. Hardly the room with the roaring fire seen just moments earlier. And judging from the man's attire, Beryl said that could well have been a soldier from the Napoleonic War about 1803 to 1815 and maybe he had just returned to or was about to leave his Whitechapel residence and Anthony's commentary on this says there are some interesting features in this encounter firstly Beryl's comment that the smell of the weeds created a strange atmosphere may suggest that this was the trigger for her experience although she does not report feelings of sadness or despondency she was clearly aware that things felt different. It may well be that her young age may have protected her from deeper emotion. Secondly, although the figures were in close proximity, she could not hear their voices, even though one was seen shouting loudly at her, and she felt no warmth from the hardy fire. It seems as if, on this rerun of the tape, the images came through, but the audio was disconnected. Yeah, they had the yellow and white wires disconnected. The RCA, you gotta flip it. You gotta do the other one. It seems as if Beryl was not as fully immersed in her time slip when compared to, say, Charlotte and Eleanor's at Versailles, where the dialogue between the two women and strangers took place. So this is more of a type two. Type two, yep. We're paying attention. This is awesome. This is great. Because then you think about— This is a great book. Philadelphia Experiment. Is this what happened? Did they phase out of time? the guys stayed in one time and then the boater, the ship that they were standing on and all the solid material around them phased over slightly and then it phased back together which fused all the guys to the deck like again before maybe they dropped a little bit in space time because the time altered and then when it re-solidified they were falling and they got caught by the re-solidification of the ship and then it just grabbed them and stuck them where they were this would make like you said for the height differences or somebody who real short or low or you don see their legs all that Oh yeah Weird So the next one is the Vanishing Hotel And I'm pretty sure I've heard people cover this one before. But this is a husband, wife, and their two children. And they're driving on the northeast of England from Scotland. Dumping rain. And the kids are complaining of being hungry. I got to pee, Dad. When are we going to pull over? Yeah. And they spotted a sign saying, food, next right, one mile. So they decided to pull over and check it out. They drove down this little country lane and came upon a large, grand-looking house. No people or cars, but the lights were on inside, so they were like, okay, well, let's go in. And this is where the wife, Anne, takes up the story, and she says, quote, We walked into a large room with crystal chandeliers and some tables set with spotless white linen tablecloths. Just then a man dressed in very formal attire appeared and showed us to a table. It was very stiff and proper and just seemed very out of place. We were shown the menu and the food on offer was amazing. Food was ordered and served roast beef and lamb with all the trimmings. So they all thought the food was great. No complaints there, which is amazing for having kids. But despite this, you know, seeming normality, there is an undercurrent of unease. So we have that again. And Ann continues, the room became eerily quiet and I felt unneeded. uncomfortable in the extreme. I glanced out of the large window and I saw what appeared to be nurses in white uniforms pushing patients in wheelchairs out onto a terrace. I was very spooked. The children were encouraged to finish their meals quickly and without fuss. Then the waiter returned and Ann asked him, how do you make a profit with so few people and the food being so delicious? Do you advertise or? And the waiter just spoke to her in a really strange tone and didn't smile, but said, we don't need to advertise. At that moment, the chill ran down her spine. That is some Hotel California shit. Yeah. And she just told her husband to pay the bill and the kids get up. We're leaving. And they were out of there. So a few months later, they went back down kind of the same area. And they're like, let's go check that out again. Because that was weird. It says, with a mixture of fascination and apprehension, Ann explains, to our horror, when we got out of the car, there's absolutely no sign of a hotel. where it stood were old foundations level with the ground almost completely covered in grass not a sign of the building we had eaten in so there's commentary on that oh and she actually ends it by saying this is fact trust me bro when you had all those witnesses the whole family and then it's weird to think about the food like you ate food from hundreds of years ago what's that shit look like like does your body just accept it and you're cool did nobody get sick off of that fairy stories you ate the food like oh well that too but let's say it's just a traditional time slip and you slip back to the 1800s now i bet food was a little bit better and pure if it happened the other way around somebody came here you gave them a snickers maybe they don't make it maybe their gut they just immediately get cancer right yeah talk about turbo cancer snickers from 2026 but yeah the food could be magic too and that's creepy ass vicar talking about you've always been here or we don't need to advertise that's get out of here yeah good call mom good instincts so anthony's commentary on this is he says anne does not specifically mention how affected her husband and children were but presumably they too sense that something was amiss at this hotel so in this case we have again a situation where verbal interaction took place between the percipients and the time slip entity with uh attendant eerie silence and a feeling of foreboding and also they ate the food and made the food he says this account is amazing because there are clear parallels with both the versailles and the french holiday time slips as cited in this book in the former account uh miss jordaine on asking the gardener standing by a wheelbarrow wheelbarrow which led which path led to the tree and on received an old gruff curt mechanical response remember i mentioned that earlier uh this is very much like ann's comment that the waiter spoke to her in a very strange tone and didn't smile right in the latter though we have the common feature that meals were ordered and served together with particular emphasis on how good the food tasted yeah also ann mentions that it was pouring with rain and that lights shone inside the hotel indicating that the light outside was far from bright these are hardly the conditions for nurses to be trundling wheelchair patients out onto the terrace so again we have this overlap Like it's probably a couple different times they were dealing with. This is wild that the overlap occurs in a time slip. Like you think it's weird enough, but now not only is it this hotel that this dude's in, but it's also the mental hospital or the wartime hospital that the hotel was taken over to be used as in these extraneous circumstances of all this different energy. Man, that's wild. So he mentioned, is this a time slip within a time slip? Right. Some inception type stuff? it's quite possible that like many large houses this establishment was used for the recuperation of injured soldiers during World War I Anne may have seen a replay from this era sunshine being considered beneficial to the healing process also the sign saying food, next right, one mile would be much more suggestive of a van selling hot dogs rather than with the chandeliered hotel they visited thus the road sign and hotel may not have been connected as the waiter told Anne, we don't need to advertise It is creepy. It is pretty creepy. Well, but think about that. I mean, that's that's a good location. If you're going to be a hotspot for something, time slips are great because you've got a steady amount of visitors. And then it's trippy to think that then those people who are involved in the time slip are part of the heavy energy of the place and are therefore, again, doomed and destined, if you will, or bootstrapped to the area to be a part of that time slip story. And then the question is, is now you've got these three different time slips interacting. Is there a fourth on the way or are there more, of course, in there? And then, like you said, the sign not being connected directly to the establishment because it was way fancier, they would have sprung for a better sign. So interesting, man. It's bizarre. I don't have any answers on this. No, just more questions. There's a bunch more. Maybe I'll continue this on the next plus show. Dude, let's do this Tuesday. Let's keep this going. Yes, it's about time we do some solid time slips. And you can think of that 1940. Remember the hipster guy who was caught in the 1941 Canadian photo? And he had the goggles and the headphones on and he was dressed in a t-shirt and all this stuff. But he was in 1941. Nobody around him looked like he did. And it looks like he's just wandering through the crowd trying to figure out what the hell's going on to him as well. Very interesting. There's a lot of those pictures, old black and white pictures of people that look completely out of place. And I'm unfortunate now because with all the AI, it's like, oh. But I saw those pictures well before AI was even a thought. And that's the question is how long has AI been a thought? Because we're going to look at a couple of things in the plus extension that have to do with the new clear perspective that we're offering having to do with the explosions that took place and the inconsistencies that occur even in photography. They're also, it's been proven, they're basically versions of Photoshop well in the early 1900s, at least the late 1800s. So we know that photos have been able to be manipulated for that time. And if that's the case, is it time slips or are time slips interacting with the photography as well? You have these alleged images of Jesus from the chronovisor things. So are you able to access one of these time slip points to where you can find a location energetically heavy enough? like we would call an important point in history, and then have access to it. Like Andrew Baciago talks about, he was at the Gettysburg Address, allegedly, but he had to dress in period-appropriate clothing so that he wouldn't stand out because he knew that he was going to that place. But then again, you have the hipsters and photographs and weird things that don't do this intentionally and are photographed in their new garb in the modern times, but then it shows up in these old photos where it shouldn't have existed at all. Very bizarre, man. Very bizarre, the whole thing. But before we get out of here, I have one more story, and then I'll close out with some of his ideas and theories on what's happening. Let's do it. So this is the 50-cent piece. So this is described by Louis C. Jones in the Journal of American Folklore for October to December of 1944. It's about these two travelers who spent the night in a guest house in New York State. They had received such excellent attention from their hosts, and they really enjoyed their stay. And so on leaving, they secretly left a 50-cent coin on a marble tabletop in the dining room. And back then, you know, a 50-cent piece would be a decent tip. You could buy a car with that. Especially since it was probably pure silver. Mm-hmm. So they drove down the road and found a store, and they stopped by the store, and they mentioned to the store owner about how cheap the charges were at this guest house and how great the food was. Maybe we have that again. And they were totally shocked to be told that it was closed many years ago and was now just a derelict. So they're total disbelief. They were like, no way. And they made their way back to where they had spent the previous night. In amazement, they stared at an overgrown driveway and a gaping cellar full of burnt timbers and debris. Looking through the broken glass of the dining room on top of a cracked and sooty marble top of what had once been a handsome table, sat a shiny new 50 cent piece. No way. What a trip. So were they on drugs? They could have absolutely been on drugs. They were eating debris? They could have. But again, more food? That is crazy, man. So, I mean, patrons may not have been going to places as much. Maybe it's a bunch of people from the future coming back in time to offer patronage to these folks. Very interesting. So his commentary on this one, Anthony's commentary, says both accounts describe a pleasant stay. He's referencing another account that I didn't cover, but he says both of these accounts describe a pleasant stay as guests, an encounter with a welcoming landlord, a serving of good food, and the inexplicable realization that their lodgings had become ruinous many years before their stay. And again, that still sounds like fairy folklore, but just for more modern times. So his theories on this are, he references paranormal investigator Joan Forman in her book The Mask of Time from 1978 that concluded that in the majority of these cases, the state of mind of the witness is an important component in the expression of the event. She identifies the trigger factor as having an interest in your surroundings, but without concentrating on anything in particular, almost like a flow state. altered state, a trance-like state, hypnagogic, that kind of thing. It's almost like anyone can do this. This is something that the occupant decides to do. Yeah, it almost sounds like remote viewing. You go into an altered state, and then all of a sudden you're in a different place. But it's accidental. They're not doing this on purpose, as far as we know. Until you do. Then there's the story of Beryl and the smell of the strange-smelling weeds triggered something. Who knows? And that's the question. Could you trigger smells? If you had a perfume that you could whip up from that time period, could you trigger smells by walking through a certain threshold with that perfume and then boom, now you're in a time slow? Could you trigger these things? Or infrasound. Sure. I mean, these things could be weaponized in theory, right? Yeah, and I've thought about that too. I'd want to go with the conspiracy angle. Like, are these people not victims of, but just being focused attention on a sound beam of some type that focuses on the individual themselves in that environment and you can make them see anything you want. And we've heard of this. This technology absolutely exists. A few people, whether it's a freaky woo-woo UFO that comes by and does it where a few folks can see something, but a few can't, and they're all together. Or like you were talking about, perhaps it's just weaponized and it's been directed into this guy's head and the lady next to him, or she crossed into the meme, and that's why those two hit the bookstore at the same time, thinking it had purses in it. Those type of things. I'm with you, but man. What else does that sound like? It sounds like our good old buddy Dion from Camellio. Exactly. This is now more of a gang-stalking, targeted individual kind of a thing. Or just, you know, subjects in an experiment. His next thought is influenced by EMFs. The Liverpool time slips seem to occur with the greatest prevalence above a loop in the high-voltage subway system below. There you go. Some believe that this feature opens a time vortex to the past. It's also interesting that the Versailles, Charlotte and Eleanor, stated that there were electrical storms all over Europe and the air was heavy with electricity. Could this have led to an alteration in the local temporal field around Versailles? It has something to do with it for sure. And he says that might also explain the exceptional length of that experience because it was quite long. A prevalent feature of the Versailles incident, and in a lot of other cases actually, is that feeling of despondency, which can often occur during a time slip, and in susceptible people, high EMF ratings are implicated in health issues, including a depression. So yeah, I'll save some of these other theories. He goes over the stone tape theory, which we kind of referenced. He goes over glitches in the matrix, and he actually has quite a lengthy paragraph on glitches in the matrix, which I always love that kind of stuff too. So, but we'll save that for, uh, the plus show, but his conclusions are that many people, the thought of being able to go back or move forward in time is intriguing. Uh, fictional novels, uh, Connecticut yanking King Arthur's, you know, court, uh, HG Wells time machine that everybody loves these kinds of stories. I'm cop. Uh, but what about nonfiction like these stories? I mean, they're, they're presented as nonfiction, so we'll take it at face value. So he says, are they just hallucinations, mistaken interpretations of normal events, or just simply hoaxes with no basis in truth? There's ample evidence for the authenticity of the majority of these cases. Those entering a time slip regard their experience as totally mystifying, yet very real, and the memory of it stays with them for the rest of their lives. However, some reported cases must be treated with suspicion, like grain of salt, always. For example, the witness account may have changed or been embellished and the story details fail to be convincing. But he also says that there's very little incentive for fraud since telling your experiences like this to others is much more likely to attract skepticism or derision rather than the acquisition of any monetary reward. Not to say that people don't do that. People make up stuff all the time. But the specificity, especially of the 1911 Charlotte and Eleanor, like that's what I was saying with passing the jug to the girl. Like if you're making up a story, why include boring stuff? Is it to make it seem more believable? That's possible, I guess. It is like, look, I was here. Look at all the things that I saw. But the things she saw were period appropriate. So unless she was a huge historian buff, which they weren't, they needed to go back allegedly and look up. Then those things were accurate, even down to things that weren't there anymore. And interactions, what a door sounded like that hadn't slammed in 15 years. But it was well before all of that. even the heaviness of the energy and of the air, the messenger boy that ran by, all of these heavy emotional energies in that one pocket of place, but it was in a different time. And so again, I'm just curious if this happens in areas where if you do happen upon one of these time slips, now you're involved in something where it's like a liminal space, but it's a liminal space for all of these times to exist that happen in that area of high energy and importance at the same time. so weird so odd I love it though I love these cases and yeah we'll go into more of that on the next plus show but and I'll link to that book in the notes if anybody wants to pick this up it's available it's also available on Kindle but if you want to get a hard copy of course we will link to Amazon for that and stick around for plus Brandon's going to go into the rest of the presentation he's been doing on nuclear weapons and what those might actually be or not be So if you're not already a member, you can go to mysteriousuniverse.org forward slash plus and get access to that and all the other extra shows that we have going on over there. If that's your thing, if not, stay tuned and we will see you next Friday. Have a great week. Welcome to your plus extension for this incredibly cool show.