The Tim Dillon Show

453 - Epstein Updates & Dinner in DC

59 min
Jul 19, 20259 months ago
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Summary

Tim Dillon discusses a private dinner with administration officials regarding the Epstein case, claiming the 10,000 hours of evidence Pam Bondi referenced is downloaded pornography, not tapes of powerful people. He argues the administration must fire Bondi, release all documents, and have Ghislaine Maxwell testify to resolve the scandal, while exploring theories about Epstein's connections to intelligence agencies and money laundering.

Insights
  • The administration's handling of Epstein files is creating political vulnerability; insiders acknowledge the problem but lack consensus on solutions
  • Public trust requires full transparency—partial releases and vague statements amplify conspiracy theories rather than resolving them
  • Wealth and proximity to power often involves association with morally questionable figures; the strategy should be proving non-involvement, not hiding connections
  • Intelligence agencies operate as competing factions with conflicting interests; the Epstein case may involve turf wars between CIA, Mossad, and MI6
  • Media narratives (like VH1's 2002 puff piece) enabled Epstein's mystique; modern internet scrutiny makes such sanitized coverage impossible today
Trends
Government transparency demands escalating as public skepticism of official narratives growsLate-night television format declining in relevance and viewership; celebrity-driven content losing cultural dominanceIntelligence community leaks and internal conflicts becoming more visible to public discourseConspiracy theories filling information vacuums; full disclosure becoming politically safer than selective releaseWealth inequality and elite criminality becoming mainstream political talking points across partisan linesMedia literacy improving; audiences now skeptical of 'mysterious' wealthy figures and unexplained fortunesBetting markets (prediction markets) emerging as alternative information sources on political outcomes
Topics
Epstein case evidence handling and document release strategyPam Bondi's role as Attorney General and calls for her removalGhislaine Maxwell testimony and plea deal negotiationsTrump-Epstein relationship and potential compromising materialIntelligence agency involvement in Epstein operation (CIA, Mossad, MI6)Money laundering and financial crime in elite circlesLes Wexner's connection to Epstein and potential intelligence tiesGrand jury testimony unsealing and transparency demandsLate-night television industry decline and CBS-Trump settlementMedia coverage of wealthy figures and narrative controlBlackmail operations targeting powerful peopleChild trafficking networks and institutional complicityPolitical scandal management and crisis communicationPrediction markets and political forecastingRobert Maxwell and intelligence family connections
Companies
CBS
Settling lawsuit with Trump while canceling The Late Show with Stephen Colbert; alleged retaliation for Colbert's cri...
Rakuten
Sponsor offering cash back rewards on shopping across multiple retail categories and restaurants
SimplePractice
Sponsor providing HIPAA-compliant electronic health record software for therapists and mental health practitioners
Rebel
Sponsor offering discounted baby gear, kitchen products, and home goods up to 70% off from major brands
The Limited
Fashion retailer; Les Wexner founded and led the company; connected to Epstein through Wexner's wealth and influence
Mitchell's Ocean Club
Restaurant in Columbus, Ohio; original location of Ocean Prime chain; owner Cameron Mitchell wrote lifestyle book
Hulu Plus
Streaming service mentioned as platform for fictional TV shows discussed in late-night television segment
Amazon
Streaming platform mentioned as home to shows with unknown creators featured on late-night television
Wall Street Journal
Published article about Trump's birthday letter to Epstein; Trump allegedly suing the publication over the story
Vanity Fair
Magazine where reporter Vicki Ward published Alexandra Costa's anonymous quote about Epstein belonging to intelligence
People
Jeffrey Epstein
Central figure; deceased; ran blackmail operation, money laundering scheme, and child trafficking network
Pam Bondi
Criticized for mishandling Epstein files; Dillon argues she should be fired and replaced
Ghislaine Maxwell
Imprisoned; Dillon argues she should testify before Congress under oath about Epstein operation
Donald Trump
Friends with Epstein; relationship nature unclear; no accusations of underage involvement but faces speculation
Bill Clinton
Flew on Epstein's plane to Africa; subject of speculation regarding potential compromising material
Les Wexner
Epstein's primary known client; billionaire; Dillon suggests he may be harboring Epstein
Robert Maxwell
Ghislaine Maxwell's father; described as super spy; received state funeral in Israel
Kevin Spacey
Flew on Epstein's plane to Africa with Clinton; subject of separate sexual misconduct allegations
Chris Tucker
Flew on Epstein's plane to Africa with Clinton and Spacey in 2002
Stephen Colbert
Fired from The Late Show allegedly for criticizing CBS; show canceled after Trump settlement
Rupert Murdoch
Trump allegedly suing over Wall Street Journal's Epstein letter story
Dick Durbin
Democrat; sent letters alleging Bondi pressured FBI to search Epstein files for Trump mentions
Cash Patel
Named in Durbin's allegations regarding Epstein file handling
Dan Bongino
Named in Durbin's allegations regarding Epstein file handling
Alexandra Costa
Allegedly told not to pursue Epstein case further because he 'belonged to intelligence'
Vicki Ward
Reported Alexandra Costa's anonymous quote about Epstein and intelligence agencies
Adnan Khashoggi
Epstein's only known major client; connected to Jamal Khashoggi murder case
Cameron Mitchell
Founded Ocean Prime restaurant chain; wrote lifestyle book 'The Answer is Yes'
Bernie Sanders
Allegedly criticized CBS decision to cancel Colbert show; mentioned as using prediction markets
Quotes
"If they do not release everything they have, they are done. I believe that."
Tim DillonEarly in episode
"You need to release everything you have. Pam Bondi needs to be fired. I told them that, they know that."
Tim DillonRegarding dinner conversation
"There isn't a tape of Bill Clinton fucking a 12 year old that Pam Bondi has on her desk. She has commercial pornography downloaded from the internet."
Tim DillonDiscussing evidence claims
"To be rich is to be best friends sometimes with a human trafficker. That's what it is to be rich."
Tim DillonPhilosophical observation
"Mystery now means people think, oh, I guess you're having sex with children. That's mystery."
Tim DillonDiscussing media narratives
Full Transcript
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Good to be with you, as always, and I'm happy that you are here with me. I hope I have your trust. Because I see trust being removed from lots of people, and for good reason. Because we are going to now, I'm going to tell you about a dinner I had, with a member of the administration. I'm going to tell you everything that I know, and I'm going to say the things that I do not know. And I am also not going to attest to the veracity, Google it, of the information. How true or false the information is. I'm going to tell you what I was told. Okay, it's not a defense of Trump. It's not a defense of the administration. In fact, I think if they do not release everything they have, they are done. I believe that. If they do not release, and I told them that, you need to release everything you have. Pam Bondi needs to be fired. I told them that, they know that. The people I spoke to, person, people, person, people. They know that. I went to Washington, we had a dinner, it was a small dinner. What day did it, when did I go? Wednesday. I went Wednesday. Here's the rub. Jeffrey Epstein is an innocent man. I'm kidding, that's not the rub. That's not the rub. Yes, it's a blackmail operation. Yes, it was, yes, this guy's got connections to intelligence, everybody knows that. Yes, the intelligence is Mossad and CIA, most likely. We all know that. Yes, he was running some type of blackmail operation, procuring young girls for powerful people. A lot of this was on tape, somewhere. When Pam Bondi came out and said, I have 10,000 hours of evidence, what has been told to me is that that is porn Epstein downloaded. From the internet. It is not the tapes of powerful people in compromising positions. And the person who told me that said, listen, I'm not saying those tapes don't exist. I'm saying that the person who has that, those tapes, is either a foreign intelligence service, Ireland, is a guess, or a billionaire, or billionaires, or they have been destroyed. You know, there isn't a tape of Bill Clinton fucking a 12 year old that Pam Bondi has on her desk. She has commercial pornography downloaded from the internet. The tapes that show incriminating things are with whosoever blackmailing these people. Again, this is what was told to me. And that, which again, from the outside, I can see whoever is running this operation, not being dumb enough to let tapes get to the desk of Pam Bondi. Who's the attorney general? Now, again, do I know what is on those tapes? Absolutely not. I really don't want to know. I don't want a trove of pornography delivered so I can analyze it. What was told to me was that those tapes are pornography, some legal, some probably not, that he had downloaded. There are tapes of Epstein walking around his house and there are photos of underage girls. But there is no tape of Bill Gates or Donald Trump or Bill Clinton engaging in activity with a minor. Okay, however, again, this is told to me at a private dinner that we're having. I'm not gonna tell you who it's with. I won't. If you're smart, maybe you know by the end of the episode, but I don't know if you're smart. I don't know if you're smart. I'll drop clues. I'll drop little clues. I'll drop tiny clues. I'll drop tiny clues. But I'm not gonna tell you. People speak, I think, under the condition of some type of anonymity here. Truly, no offense. So I'm not gonna go out and say who it was. I'm not gonna say who it was. Tiny clues, tiny little clues. And it was an RFK. I couldn't do that for an hour or two hour dinner. Can you imagine that? I imagine it's late and I couldn't. I couldn't do it. That's not who it was. They know they have a problem. They got a big problem. You have to, I don't think the grand jury docs, which I also said you gotta unseal all of that. You gotta get Bondi to go to a judge and unseal it. That will not satiate people. You need to release all of the documents unless you're going to have a big problem. Trump and Epstein were friends for a very long time. The nature of their relationship is kind of a mystery to a lot of people. Donald Trump has said, hey, I knew the guy, he traveled in society circles, New York, Palm Beach. Epstein said this guy was my best friend, I think at one point. I think Trump and Epstein fell out over a house they both wanted to buy. I know that Epstein hit on a young girl at Mar-a-Lago and Trump kicked him out. I don't know where they hung out, what trips they took. I'm unaware of that. People got mad at me on the last episode, they're like, you're covering for Trump. And I'm like, I'm not covering for Trump. Trump has never been accused of anything with an underage person. You know, he's clearly a guy that's driven like a lot of people by sex and he's clearly somebody that has probably acted inappropriately. But he was never accused of being with somebody who's underage. And I think a lot of people that don't like Trump would tell you that wasn't his thing. A lot of these women he was with, Yvonne and Mar-la-Maple, they're kind of like Vegas show girls. They look like 35, even when they're 25, a lot of them. They're just caked in makeup, huge hair, tits out during like a gold, you know. I mean, now is it impossible that Epstein or whoever has some compromising material on Trump? Absolutely not. I don't know. But I only suggested that thus far, that is not something he's been accused of doing. Okay, that doesn't mean that it's impossible. It's obviously not impossible. And in order to get this type of speculation to quiet down, they have to release everything that they have. And I told this person that. And this person knows that. And we also discussed Gislein, Ghislaine. Ghislaine, I think it's Ghislaine. No one offered Ghislaine a plea deal. Nobody went to Ghislaine Maxwell and said, give up somebody and we will reduce your sentence. And that could be for a couple of reasons. They didn't want to give a plea deal to a pedophile. That's certainly not a popular thing to do. But it could also be because people didn't want Ghislaine to be like, actually, I'll have a funny story. People didn't want that. They weren't looking forward to that. They said, keep your trap shut. Now, I said at this dinner, I said, Ghislaine must speak. She should testify before Congress. Couple of the people at the dinner, again, it was a small dinner, three or four people. About four people, three, four then three. They knew they said that is not on the table at the moment, but it's not impossible. Nobody's super jazzed about it. Like it's been suggested. Like I thought I had the idea first. It, I didn't. Other people had suggested it. Why don't we get this bitch? We know where this bitch is. We know where she is. Let's get her. Let's put her under oath. Let's have her raise the right hand and let's have her talk about what this operation was. That has not been warmly received by anybody over there. Right, left, center, a lot of people in Washington were not excited and probably New York, Palm Beach, London, any city you can afford, people weren't jazzed about that. They weren't pumped up about her testifying. You know how you meet your friend and they're pumped up, they're running a 5K and they're pumped up and they're excited about it. And they're telling everyone they know about, I'm doing a 5K. Yeah, it's good to see you. I gotta keep running. I'm training for a 5K. And they're pumped up and they're excited and they keep talking about this thing they're doing to keep pumping. This is the opposite of that. Just laying max while testifying in front of Congress, kind of the opposite of that. No one's running through the streets going, let's get her to testify. Won't it be fun? That's not happening. It's not exciting to a lot of people. They have not embraced it. I think it's a good idea. I told the people at the dinner that. They kind of agreed. They get it. Put her under oath, put her in the chair. The problem is she's gonna want something to testify. And now you're cutting the sentence of a pedophile. Now what if she, cause just laying is an asset, she's an intelligence asset. She's probably not gonna hang people with the testimony. She knows how to do that. She knows how to say things without saying things. I'm guessing. I would imagine unless she just decides to just fucking burn it all down, but she probably won't. Her dad, you know, I think a team of people stormed this yacht, threw them off. You know, for Israeli prime ministers, we're at his funeral. Hopefully they'll be at mine as well for different reasons. But, heads of the massage, he got a great, you know, a great burial plot in Israel. Like it's his whole thing. They literally said he's done more for Israel, things we can't even say right now. He was a big asset. And I think Galein values that, that's dad. That's her daddy. That's dad. You gotta love your dad. Me and my father don't have the greatest relationship. I still love my dad. I like things about my father. I like that he does things like that I do. He looks down on people that are not that lower than him, almost not lower than him, but I like that about him. He looks way down on people that are not that much lower than him, and I do as well. I judge severely the people who are not that much lower than me. And in fact, I judge severely people that have things I don't have and that are good. But I love that about my father. I like that my father, like I do, appropriates the accomplishments of other people. Like, you know, he will take pride in a beautiful, wealthy area or a skyscraper or something that he had nothing to do with. And I do the same thing. I like it and I talk about it. Like I had something to do with it, but I didn't. You know, and that's something I learned from my father. You take pride in being near success. My whole life I've done, I got successful and I was like 40. You know, 37, whatever. But like, before that, I took a lot of pride that I was near success. I learned that from my father. Be near success. Live near success. And then show people, look at these fucks and how well they've done. Show them that. Your bum friends are gonna come visit you. Show them the people that have done it. And you take a little bit from that. And you make it your own, you internalize it. You gotta love your dad and her dad. Say what you want about him, but he was a super spy. The guy did it. He was a media mogul. He was an access agent. He was working. The guy was working. That's her father. I don't think she's gonna light it all on fire. I think she values that. I think she goes down with the ship. But then, you know, so the problem is if she gets up there and she doesn't really give people what they want, if she's not giving people up, then you gotta pardon her. You gotta pardon a pedophile. That's a tough call. Hi, my name is Lisa and I'm a licensed psychotherapist, which means my work doesn't magically end when the session does. There are notes to write, appointments to manage, billing, insurance follow-ups, and somehow all that admin used to creep into my nights and weekends. That's why I switched to simple practice. Simple practice is an all-in-one electronic health record built specifically for therapists with HIPAA compliant tools and high trust certification. So I don't have to worry about juggling systems or cutting corners just to keep things running. Scheduling, documentation, billing, insurance, client communications, even automated appointment reminders, it all lives in one place. 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Then I think Wexner bought the paper and the article doesn't exist anymore. But there is something to suggest that that happened. That the second guy who had Epstein's job also got popped for that. It almost makes it seem like that's part of it. My guess, I don't know. These people are very litigious. So I got to be careful about saying things that are not substantiated as my producer furiously tries to search for this because we're literally about to be sued and killed. We're literally about to be sued and killed. We're both about to be sued and killed. And I didn't even learn this at the dinner. I learned this somewhere else. I was at Coldstone Creamery and someone said that. Someone said that. They said, did you know this? And I said, interesting. So I don't, what do you want me to say? This Les Wexner fellow, I feel like is shady. My guess? Don't know, but my guess would be that he's a shady individual. Can we do a little image? Let's do a Google image. Just a Google image. It's an image. Get up that one in the suit. That one's the one I like with the bow tie. Second row to the right. All the way to the right. Make that big. That's the essence of the man. You got to find a photo. It's the essence of the man. He knows things. He's got a face of a guy that knows a few things. But I told people, I said, you have to, you have to fire Pam Bondi. You have to have Jus lane Maxwell testify. If there's nothing there, you got to release all the documents that you have. Otherwise it's going to be a problem. Now listen, a lot of people that were on that island are dead. A lot of them are 80. A lot of them are probably living in other countries. The perp walk that you want to see happen is probably not going to happen. Sorry. That doesn't mean that there aren't some people that are very guilty, that could face justice and should. It means that you're not going to get everybody who's ever done anything on that island because a lot of them are probably dead. They're dying by the minute. So, in conclusion, to that, we have more to say about it. Certainly they're now coming to Hill, you know, Dick Durbin who's a Democrat. The Democrats are running with this, as you would. Bondi pressured a thousand FBI personnel to comb through tens of thousands of documents related to Epstein and flag any mention of Trump. This is from the Hill. Durbin made the explosive allegations in letters he sent Friday to Bondi, Cash Patel and Dan Bongino, seeking more information about the administration handling of files related to Epstein and asking why senior officials were allegedly focused on looking for documents connecting Trump to Epstein. Siding information my office received, Durbin said Bondi pressured the FBI to put approximately a thousand people in its information management division. On 24-hour shifts to review about 100,000 Epstein-related records as part of a broader effort to release documents publicly by what Durbin called an arbitrarily short deadline. They were instructed to flag any records in which Trump was mentioned, said Durbin. Now the Wall Street Journal released this article where Trump wrote a letter to Epstein for his birthday and it's some type of letter that Epstein's friends sent him body letters for his 50th birthday, body meaning like salacious and inappropriate. And Donald Trump wrote one. Get up the Trump letter and let's read that. But again, Trump's saying it didn't happen and it's fake and it's not real. The only way you get ahead of this is if you fire Bondi. Number one, I'd like to see Bondi and Cash. I don't know anything about Bongino, but again, if all three of them, you know, this is the biggest bungling of anything ever. Remember when they had these morons go out with these binders Epstein files, phase one? What the fuck were they thinking? So it looks really bad and if they wanted to look less bad and I don't know how bad it is, but and I don't think the top people know how bad it is. To be honest, I don't think people know. I don't know and a lot of people that I talked to don't know. There's a belief that it's not as bad as certain people think and it might be worse than what other people think. It's somewhere there. It isn't clear how the letter with Trump's signature was prepared inside the outline of the naked woman was a typewritten note, styled as an imaginary conversation between Trump and Epstein written in the third person. Voice over, there must be more to life than having everything the note began. Donald, yes there is, but I won't tell you what it is. Jeffrey, nor will I, since I also know what it is. Donald, we have certain things in common, Jeffrey. Jeffrey, yes, we do come to think of it. Donald, enigmas never rage, have you noticed that? Jeffrey, as a matter of fact, it was clear to me the last time I saw you. Donald, a pal is a wonderful thing, happy birthday and may every day be another wonderful secret. Well, if that's Trump not ideal, certainly in hindsight, certainly in hindsight, you gotta release everything you've got. You, he's supposedly suing Murdoch, he's suing the Wall Street Journal. You have to release everything you got. You're in a scandal that's about to engulf your presidency that may already be engulfing the presidency. And if you do not release everything you have right now and get rid of the attorney general, because she is either A, not communicating or B, lying, she's either incompetent or she's untruthful, she's not truthful, is untruthful? One of the things you can say, I'm asking, you don't know. You don't know if untruthful is something you can say. I don't know that. Do you know that? Yes. Can you say untruthful? Yeah. Or not truthful? You can say untruthful. I was right. But she's gotta go. Pam Bondi's gotta go, she's gotta go back to Florida and prosecute people that are misbehaving on jet skis. She's gotta get out. And you gotta bring in Megyn Kelly. Truly, you have to bring in Megyn Kelly to be the attorney general of America. That's it, that's it. No more nonsense. You can't bring in just TV people, you gotta bring in good TV people. Here's Patel, these people are like people who've failed at having podcasts. They would have been me if they had talent. They're running the FBI because they're shot. These are people that were like hyping up Q-drops on 4chan and leading retards in every fucking direction thinking that Hillary was going to Gitmo another running the FBI. And whether they're in on it or the deep state is clothes lining them, they gotta get the fuck out of there and start a podcast. Half of that administration needs to start a podcast. Pam Bondi, I will email you the mics to buy. You're out. It's time to go. It's time to go. They took people who had podcasts and put them in control of the government. So either they're compromised or the fucking factions of the deep state are fucking shoveling shit on these people at an amazing pace because they're incapable of delivering anything. They appear to be fools when they go on a show. They appear to be a fool. No one likes a fool unless the fool is aiming to be a fool. Someone with wacky glasses, something like that. But if you are somebody who is running the FBI and you can't articulate a clear sentence, you have to go. I don't care if you're loyal. You've lost the trust of the voters, you must go. They got a clean house over there, fire a lot of people. You have to fire a lot of people. I know you don't like that. Now here's the good news. The guy in charge likes firing. Some would say he owns that term. You're fired. He probably tried to copyright it. You gotta release everything you've got and fire these people unless it's just not going to go well. It's not going to go well. It's a blackmail operation. We know it. He was laundering money. We know that. He made money disappear. That was probably his main thing. Sex was a part of it. He had lots of powerful people. He had information on a lot of powerful people and he allowed intelligence agencies to access that information. CIA, MI6, Mossad, all these different intelligence agencies are largely crime syndicates who have existing relationships with each other. They work with each other. And then one will recruit somebody and then someone's a double agent and a triple agent. You gotta release everything you have. That world is shadowy and murky. And I don't know if the information I got was true. What the fuck do I know? I'm sitting there at a dinner. I'm telling you that is what is believed by people in the administration who they themselves may be getting lied to. I don't know. They don't know. Everyone makes fun of me for going, oh, you said that they would be killed genuinely at the dinner it came up. No one believes the crooks thing. No one believes that. No one believes that. That this is just a random kid that had no prior relationship to anybody and he was just able to fly a drone over a rally and climb on a thing. No one believes that. No one believes Epstein killed himself. People believe he was murdered or he was switched out. And he is now a server at Mitchell's Ocean Club in Ohio and Columbus, which is the original restaurant that started Ocean Prime. It's a great restaurant. And Cameron Mitchell, the owner of that wrote a book called, it does, the answer is yes, doesn't matter what the question is. And that was about restaurants, hopefully. But the point is, we don't know what's going on. So you have to release everything. A little bit of grand jury testimony is not gonna do it. Hi, I'm Alicia. And I'm Stacey. 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It's gonna be uncomfortable to release all the things. It's just an uncomfortable reality. Sometimes you are friends with someone and they're a human trafficker. That's what it is to be rich. Explain that to people. Tell them that. What it is to be rich is to be best friends sometimes with a human trafficker, satanic pedophile. You don't even know it. You just know that you both like boats. To be rich is to be friends with people who are implicated in the murders of their wives. The trafficking of children, coups, drug running, narco trafficking, arms dealing, false flag operations. It's this is what it is to be rich. It's not for everyone, I've always said that. I've always said it's not for everyone. To be rich is not to be around school teachers. Good people who teach the kids all day. Here's here, pass out these folders here. How more, that's not what it is. I have a little bit of money now, not even a lot. I haven't spoke to a firefighter in six years. I don't even know where they are. Cops, fire running teachers, who are these people? I go to dinner with people. I'm pretty sure want to kill me. They always choose a nice restaurant. That's where I go when it's near my home. But I'm friends with people now. I'm pretty sure or on an assignment to kill me. Truly it's what happens when you have a little bit of money. I don't even have a lot of money. But a little bit of money, unfortunately, you get a set of friends and they're all predominantly morally questionable. And you don't know them rich people are private. The middle class isn't. The middle class is always telling you about the fights they've had with their husband or wife. They're fat kids that won't get it together. They're daughter who's pissed them off because she hasn't filled out her college application. Well, we're not gonna tour the schools with her. She doesn't get on it. They're always vomiting their lives to you, but the rich are quiet. They're quietly drowning the chef in the Marzies Vineyard pot. Get in the fucking water. Quietly, they don't bring it up. Explain that to people, Donald. Go out and say to them, sometimes you just end up best friends with someone who's trafficking children. And it's because you both, you know, they're fun. Here's the thing with human traffickers. They're fun. Are you telling me you don't think Just Lane Maxwell was fun? There's not one photo of Just Lane Maxwell where she doesn't look like the funnest person that's fucking ever lived. And that doesn't make me happy. I don't like that. Yeah, she's a satanic pedophile. I get it. She's evil. They're both evil. Sometimes rich people are evil. Duh! She's massaging his feet on a plane. The bitch played her position. She was fun. The woman was fun. Look at how relaxed he looks. The point is... You got to explain to people that this is unfortunately part... The people at the top of society are in... They're into shit and they're involved in shit. But you got to show everyone that you're not involved in it. So you got to release it. You can be at a party with someone. You can shake a hand. You can hang out with someone even, but you need to prove that you are not in any way associated with this part of this man. Get that pick away of the photo, please, and her. You have to show the world that. You can say, I made an oopsie. I made an oopsie. You can say that. I took a ride on the plane that I shouldn't have been. I thought he was just a whack. But he was a wacko. He was a silly billy. Maybe that's what you say, go, he was a silly billy. He was a daffy duck. But you got to show people you weren't raping children. That's what you have to show people. I don't even care if he laundered a little bit of the money. No one does, no one does. Donald, if that's what you're worried about, no one cares. It's okay. If he laundered some of your money, even a lot of your money, if he laundered a lot of your money, because that's not what people are thinking. God, it would be fun if he just laundered some of your goddamn money. Say that, say that. Say I got a casino's cash business. He laundered some money. Say it, say it now. That's not impeachable, who cares? He laundered some money, god damn it. Say that, please, we want it to be that. That's what people want it to be. I mean, of course, a lot of people don't want it to be that, but I don't want Clinton fucking the kids either, even though that's not, you know, there's a fucking breadcrumb trail that isn't ideal, but I don't want any of our presidents to be having sex with children. This is not my idea of a good time. Now, that unfortunately seems to be more than likely something that has happened, so you need to prove that you did not do that. Please, God, just say he laundered the money. He became my friend, because he knew how to make large sums of money disappear. I didn't want to pay taxes. I didn't want to pay these taxes. People are okay with that. People will be okay with that. Just say you stole money. Jesus, please, just come out and say, I stole money, he stole the money with me. I was just, he was laundering my money. I wasn't fucking the kids. He was laundering my money, scream it. Have a press conference ago. Jeffrey Epstein laundered my money. And that was wrong. And that was wrong. It was wrong what he did with the laundering of my money, but here's all the files. I didn't do anything else. It was just about money. That would be nice. That would be ideal. Something's going on. I don't know what it is. Something's happening. The intelligence community isn't a monolith. They're not any one thing. So there's people in the CIA that do not like Israel, and there are people that love it. There is an opposing, there are opposing factions in all of these places. People go, well, why was Epstein even arrested if it's a whole thing? People in those agencies, some of them want justice, truly. And when they're presented with a case and there are witnesses, they do what you should do as a cop. You arrest the bad guy. But then when it gets to the legal level, and Alexandra Costa is told, I was told to not take it any further with Epstein because he, quote, belonged to intelligence. So that's an anonymous quote that someone else said, Alexandra Costa said, and was given a Vicki Ward at Vanity Fair. White, you know, is a credible reporter. I don't think she's making stuff up. But she got an anonymous quote, get Alexandra Costa. Get him on the stand. Get him on the stand. Because we know that something is rotten here. We know that. And please God, let it be that he laundered a little bit of your money. Oh, he laundered my money. I don't fuck the kids. Come on. I was a casino guy, we had a lot of cash. And he laundered the money. Maybe that's it. Huh? We don't know. Lesser of two evils or nothing had, or nothing illegal happened. Even better. He did nothing illegal. I was friends with him and he did a legal thing. Because Jeffrey Epstein's like, they're doing all these things. He's a Wall Street guy. But here's the other thing. No one knew how he made any of his money. He had like one client. It was Adnan Khashoggi. Jamal Khashoggi, the guy who the Saudis killed in that embassy was, I think, Adnan Khashoggi's brother or son. But I don't know, it was related to him in some way. Adnan Khashoggi's, Epstein's client. Like Epstein was supposedly this guy who had all of this money, the largest residence in Manhattan, and nobody knew how he got any of that money. And nobody had ever worked for him. He didn't have like, he wasn't like Stephen Cohen, who owns the mats, who the show Billions is based on, who has a hedge fund in Connecticut, 0.72. And there's a bunch of people that worked there and there's people that have worked with Stephen Cohen and can talk about Stephen Cohen. He's a legendary stock trader. And there's articles written about Stephen Cohen. Every article about Epstein's like, who is he? What's he doing? But go to the VH1, CFU, oh yeah, Jeffrey Epstein, International Money Man of Mystery, terrific guy, Donald Trump, booms from his speakerphone. He's a lot of fun to be with. And maybe that was true. So this whole thing here, this was an article from what year? 2002. 2002, they're writing about Jeffrey Epstein. He's listening to this, ready? He's pals, and this is New York Magazine. This is the magazine of the, you know, chattering class, the smart set, you know, the bold face names, the glitterati. He's pals with a parcel of Nobel Prize winning scientist, CEOs like Leslie Wexner of the limited socialite, Galein Maxwell, even Donald Trump. But it wasn't until he flew Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker to Africa on his private Boeing 727 that the world began to wonder who he is, Jeffrey Epstein, International Money Man of Mystery. And this is an article and you can all read it. And it's funny, it's in hindsight, it's one of the funniest articles that you'll ever read. You know, he comes with cash to burn, a fleet of airplanes and a keen eye for the ladies. That's the first line. It's a life full of question marks. Epstein has said to run a 15 billion, to run 15 billion for wealthy clients. Yet aside from limited founder Leslie Wexner, his client list is closely held secret. A former adult math teacher, he maintains periapathetic salon of brilliant scientists, yet possesses no bachelor's degree. For more than 10 years, he's been linked to Manhattan London Society figure, Galein Maxwell, door of the mysteriously deceased media titan, Robert Maxwell. Robert Maxwell, yet he lives the life of a bachelor. Logging six hours a year in his various planes as he scours the world. Like it's a lifestyles of the rich and famous thing. Hi, this is Alex Kansrowitz. I'm the host of Big Technology podcast, a long time reporter and an on air contributor to CNBC. And if you're like me, you're trying to figure out how artificial intelligence is changing the business world and our lives. So each week on Big Technology, I bring on key actors from companies building AI tech and outsiders trying to influence it. Asking where this is all going. They come from places like Nvidia, Microsoft, Amazon and plenty more. So if you wanna be smart with your wallet, your career choices and meetings with your colleagues and at dinner parties, listen to Big Technology podcast wherever you get your podcasts. This is Mike Buolo of Lexicon Valley. And I'm Bob Garfield. Are you one of those people who sometimes uses words? Do you communicate or acquire information with, you know, language? Hey, us too. 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And VH1 has pulled this, you know obviously for obvious reasons, but this was a, this was a go to the one that's three minutes and this is something that VH1 had aired about Jeffrey Epstein and again, it's unintentionally hilarious now in hindsight, let's watch. In the next hour, we'll tour the hedgerow mega homes they're buying with all that hedge fund cash but not quite as much as financier Jeffrey Epstein. Jeff was a high school math teacher until he traded his blackboard for the big board in 1976 eventually launching his own exclusive finance firm for billionaire clients but he just couldn't keep out of the classroom. So when you were shopping for a new house he bought himself an entire school house. And transformed it into the largest single residence in all of Manhattan at a whopping 51,000 square feet. By the way, pause this for a second. There's, there had to be people who knew he was a pedophile who saw this and were like, this is amazing. You know what I mean? Like there were people that obviously for this guy's entire life knew he was a pedophile and victims of his who were watching VH1 saw this. Like literally people that he had victimized turned on VH1, you know, to watch, I don't know, a Tony Braxton music video and they're watching Jeffrey Epstein with the like he couldn't stay out of the classroom. He bought himself a whole school. And there's people who were like, yeah, I know he raped me in it. Yeah, I'm well aware of that. 2000 square feet. Oh yeah. The school cost about $20 million and he's dropped $10 million just renovating it. It has incredible bells and whistles, closed circuit televisions, a heated sidewalk out front. So the snow melts. But only one man truly rules the Wall Street skies. Cause performer school teacher turned billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, one private plane won't do. He's got a small fleet, a Gulfstream four, a Cessna and a Boeing 727. Well, wait, stop for a minute. Do you realize how important Hollywood is? Like in just narratives? Yeah, how important it is like that they no longer have the ability to do this. Like you can't just do this without any pushback or without anybody on the internet challenging what you, you, what conclusions you come to. This is a puff piece going, he's a Wall Street legend. And by the way, no company, no employees, nobody that has ever said they worked for the guy. A couple of journalists are like, this isn't adding up. When VH1 just runs this whole thing with it like, he's a genius. This guy, he was a math teacher and it's a goodwill hunting. He was a math teacher. Now he's a Wall Street legend. He's a math teacher. So it's goodwill hunting. They didn't realize it was goodwill hunting for children. But that's what it was. You had the ability to just project this image of a mysterious guy who had all these connections. And by the way, that would never work anymore because we know what mysterious means. Mysterious means you're just, you're having sex with children and I mean, there's no, by the way, you used to be able to say somebody was mysterious and it was like some kind of compliment. You'd be like, wow, he's mysterious. We don't know what he's doing. Now use that word, you go, yeah, keep him away from my house. Mystery now is bad. It is bad. Like, people are like, celebrities over because there's no more mystique. There's no more mystery. It's like, yeah, because mystery now means people think, oh, I guess you're having sex with children. That's mystery. Now I guess you're laundering money for a human trafficking operate. Like, so it's amazing to me that they're running this puff piece, this positive, you know, piece talking about the glamorous life of this human trap and you would never know. You'd be sitting on your couch going, because that's what Wall Street is, by the way, to most people. Like a lot of finance is fake, truly. And most people just believe that. They're like, I didn't have the right connections. I didn't go to the right schools. They don't even try to understand this crap. I remember that during the mortgage crisis when they were trying to explain credit default swaps on Fox and they were like, well, the credit defaults when people are like, fuck this, you're all crooks because it's structured finance. Lots of it is fake. It is largely a science of what most people would call outright criminality. And so when they used to run pieces like this, nobody would think anything of it. They'd go, yeah, he's just a guy on Wall Street and he's making gobs of money doing God knows what. But little do they know, this is actually an evil, cruel, sadistic monster and you're talking about the renovation he's doing to his house, his school house that he's living in in Manhattan. Keep going. Even with, of course, an in-flight trading room. He has a Boeing 727. I'm just wondering now, what do you need a commercial thighs airliner for? Believe us, it comes in handy when you've got powerful friends to fly around. When Bill Clinton organized a week-long tour of Africa in 2002, Jeff gave him a ride in his personal 727 and took actors Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker along for the trip. Now, for former president Clinton, it was a chance to investigate the problems of AIDS in Africa and perhaps it was a chance to hang out with some of his big shot friends. Jet setting with Bill. I love, by the way, I love the idea of that. I love the idea of Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein gassing up the jet and going to investigate AIDS in Africa. And it's just like an amazing, like he's like, let me call Jeffrey Epstein. Let's go find out what this AIDS is about. And then Spacey's there with, but Spacey, by the way, was like, put it all out. Spacey, I haven't done anything, put it out. Put it out. Hi, this is Alex Kanchrewitz. I'm the host of Big Technology podcast, a longtime reporter and an on-air contributor to CNBC. And if you're like me, you're trying to figure out how artificial intelligence is changing the business world and our lives. So each week on Big Technology, I bring on key actors from companies building AI tech and outsiders trying to influence it. Asking where this is all going. They come from places like Nvidia, Microsoft, Amazon and plenty more. So if you want to be smart with your wallet, your career choices and meetings with your colleagues and at dinner parties, listen to Big Technology podcast wherever you get your podcasts. Now, the late show with Stephen Colbert is being canceled and people are angry. Trump, it's breaking out that he is suing Murdoch over this story. People are angry, late show with Stephen Colbert. Supposedly they're citing a financial decision, but people are saying that it's because Colbert criticized CBS while willing to settle a lawsuit with Donald Trump. So people are going out like Bernie Sanders, I think just came out and put out a, if you go to Bernie's Instagram, I believe he put out a statement saying that this decision is because Stephen Colbert, I had the temerity to criticize. You bring it up Bernie, he's just doing ads for Cal-Shi. Bernie is like, do you think Maxwell will testify? Go to Cal-Shi. You can create your own market. CBS's billionaire owners pay Trump 16 million to settle a bogus lawsuit while trying to sell the network to Skydance. Stephen Colbert on extraordinary talent, he was. And the most popular late night host, not true, it's Gutfeld, to be honest. I mean, whatever you think about anything, that is the truth. Slam's the deal, days later he's fired, you think this is a coincidence. No, here's the thing, late night feels like it's on its way out. And could this have made CBS make their decision quicker, sure? Are we gonna have late night shows in five years? I really don't know. It doesn't seem like we are. Doesn't seem like we're three years. There's people that go on late night and you know who they are. There's a lot of people that go on late night, no one really knows who they are. And so the host is doing like banter with someone who the audience doesn't know who they are and they've never seen the show they're on and no one knows what's happening. So no one knows what's going on. Not everyone, obviously. There's people that people know. But these people come on late night and the host is like, hey, hey, hey, hey. We got the new star, Carolina Blue here. You know, and they're like, give it up for Jasmine Mitchell Stein. And you know, she's, the girl will come on and she'll be like, Steven, such a fan, love you. And he's like, this show is great. No one's heard of the show. No one is heard of the show in the audience. He's like, now this show, tell us about the show because it's amazing, this show, you're on everyone loves this show. It's called Carolina Blue. And she's like, yeah, it's about the Blue family in Carolina. They're super, they're super uptight. And then one summer, everything threatens to be unraveled by a really wild secret. And he's like, and people can't get enough of this show. And the audience is sitting there, they don't know what's happening. The show might as well be fake. The show might as well not exist. No one knows who the person is. What did I call her? Mitchell Stein, what was her name? What name did I just say? Carmen Sarah? Jody. Did I say Jody? I don't think so. Do you remember what I said? You have a broken brain. But it doesn't matter what I said because it's every single guest on that show for the most part, unless they're like famous, no one really knows who they are or what they're doing there. And he's like, so this show is amazing. It's an amazing show and it's on Hulu Plus, right? That's where it's on? She's like, yeah, so if you upgrade your Hulu to Hulu Plus, you can watch Carolina Blue. And he's like, now the first season was in 2021 and season two is premiering in 2027, right? So it's a six year gap, but we're revisiting a small beach side town in Carolina. No one knows and the audience are just sitting there and the audience are all people that are just in New York City. And someone goes, go see Colbert and they know who Colbert is and they know the Ed Sullivan Theater and many of them grew up watching David Letterman and America's all about celebrities. That's why people like from Sweden come here. It's not to eat our poison buckets of a poison dough that we make our bread from. It's because they really wanna see a celebrity and they wanna see how rich and fat we all are. That's why they come here. They gotta see America. They gotta see America. How rich are they? How fat are they? How amazing is New York? They wanna see a real city. Not like an ancient city or, you know what I mean? And they're traffickers in Sweden and stuff. It's like all the Royals and really rich creepy people. It's a May 24 movie, but our people that are human traffickers are like not even hiding. They're like barely hiding it. So that impresses them. They're like they're rich and fat and they're petafiles. Don't even hide it. So they come to see all of this circus of America and then they're in the Ed Sullivan Theater and they're like who's coming out tonight? J.Lo. And it's like a comedian with 8,700 followers who's on a show on Amazon that no one's watched. And he's like, so now tell us what it was like to grow up as a non, so now you were non-binary in Oklahoma. Tell us about that. Because that's the premise of the show, right? The show is that you're non-binary in Oklahoma, but you're also like one of the top poker players in the world, but no one knows you're non-binary from Oklahoma because it's all online, right? That's it. And the people in the audience, like we just wanna see petafiles or J.Lo or fat people, we came to America. It was a long flight. It was a really long flight. We just wanna see petafiles, fat people or J.Lo. They wanna watch a celebrity just smack a minority in a face like an immigrant. That's what they want. They wanna see J.Lo take a garbage can and like the dream of someone that comes here from Scandinavian country, one of them. If you come to America from Norway, your dream is you go to the Ed Sullivan Theater, J.Lo comes out and then as you're leaving, you look down an alley and you see her take a garbage can and there's a little Mexican woman and J.Lo puts the can on her. And forever read, you don't even know what this woman did to draw the ire of J.Lo. But now this little Mexican woman's got a can on her and she stumbles into the other building and she hits herself, she like knocks herself out and she's just rolling with the can and then J.Lo gets in the black car and drives away. That's the dream. Did this lawsuit make them go, hey, let's get rid of Trump? I mean, let's get rid of Colbert because he bothered Trump. Sure, I don't doubt it. I don't doubt that that's a possibility. You know, Bernie Sanders, go to CalShi.com. Bernie Sanders, does he have his betting market on CalShi? I'm having fun on there. Will Trump release any of the Epstein files this year? Will just lane Maxwell, testify? 20% chance. I would say it's a little higher than 20, but not that much higher. I would say it's a little higher than 20, but not that much higher. But I will say this. I will say this, the people that I spoke to at the dinner, no, they have a problem. They know they have a real problem. They know that the base is angry. The people that elected them are angry. They are aware of that. They get it. And they know that the thing that needs to happen here is Bondi needs to be fired and just lane should testify. And people know that you need to release everything. You know, they know that. I don't know if that's gonna happen. And I don't know if any of what I was told is true, but it does stand to reason that these tapes are not with Pam Bondi who's a buffoon, and that these tapes, and I'm sure they exist, are somewhere else if they haven't been destroyed. They're either with a foreign intelligence service or our own or both. There's some kind of dead man switch on something I don't know. I lack the ability to know. But the people I've spoken to, did they get it? They understand that this is the problem. Not gonna say who they are. It's not fair to say who they are. I will not say that. We had a nice time. We had steaks. We had some salad and it was nice. I won't say who they are. I was a little worried that it was gonna be Indian food. Good luck out there. Hi, this is Alex Kanshawits. I'm the host of Big Technology podcast, a long-time reporter and an on-air contributor to CNBC. And if you're like me, you're trying to figure out how artificial intelligence is changing the business world and our lives. So each week on Big Technology, I bring on key actors from companies building AI tech and outsiders trying to influence it. Asking where this is all going. They come from places like Nvidia, Microsoft, Amazon and plenty more. So if you wanna be smart with your wallet, your career choices, and meetings with your colleagues and at dinner parties, listen to Big Technology podcast wherever you get your podcasts.