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What's up everybody Matt Farah here welcome to the smoking tire podcast today's episode is brought to you by off the record You love off the record just as much as I do based on the number of emails I get from people who tell me that off the record Absolutely took care of them when they got pulled over and accused of doing something bad in their car That's right. 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I speak We live Hello everybody I got I got duped the hotel the other night on the fucking guide said airplane was on Airplane was not on but you know what is on the volume on our television on the wall That's not I mean yes, I mean it was I mean it was I mean by yes I mean by no I mean yes when I hit when I hit go live it shows up on three different screens And I have to like close them and mute them each individually so I'm playing was on the on the TV, but it wasn't but it wasn't it was some other movie that was not a comedy I don't remember what it was, but I just the guide disappointed me. Oh, that's yeah Um, oh man. Oh man. Oh man. It's been It's been a it's been a couple of weeks. I mean it's it's been a week my seven days Monday was uh, 355 evaluto versus stock 355 Shout out to austin My wccs client and friend who brought his Stock 355 out Um, it wasn't quite stock. It had a fucking capri stow on it and frankly that gets you a lot of the way there But I'm writing about that for rodentrack. So Zach also drove the 355 evaluto, but he didn't appear in the video So we're gonna we're gonna come back to that that's gonna be sort of our main topic today because there's a lot of Debate about is it good? Is it not good? Well, uh, but but uh, some other items the next day Uh, I go out to willow springs to a little members day little members play day It's one of those things they bring out the fucking race cars and shit It was the day before actually it was sunday the f1 race. Oh, yeah, it was the f1 watch party So they they put up a like a 20 foot screen In the chilling area outside the In the street at streets. Whoa. So like Yeah, so there's like you're in the paddock jumping in and out of race cars But the race is just like on the whole it was pretty cool. That's very cool And I drove this escort. So the the comp there's a company called driven dr. V and We've now know they're from scotland Um, and actually I have a very funny connection to the family that I randomly met the The guy the main guy from driven mr. Driven mr. Driven when I was in scotland on vacation with my family I off handedly mentioned that I'm randomly in scotland and run into mr. J W W james walker who was with someone he describes as a business partner. Well, that's the guy That's the guy who was so this company driven Does does the evaluto? Yeah, they're also doing This thing which we have on the screen which is called the borom motor works Um and borom motor works is going to be doing a run of continuation series fords now Unlike the evaluto which starts with a you you provide a three five five and they do their their thing These borom cars are scratch built cars. So sort of like revology Okay, because we also had the go right in a revology. They build the unibody or it's scratch built and under license So the these borom cars are are actually licensed by ford in The uk and you can buy them So that that silver one in the first row on the instagram there So this is going to be the road going version of No, I didn't realize that was a real. I thought it was a static, but That's gonna be a road going version. This is the track version. It's called the allen man Uh edition s escort allen man 88 edition So I got to drive it at the at the old members day. They were bringing them out. I figured this out This is so this is actually the shit. This is this is a I found a loophole Into a back door into the system By singing for my supper as it were with this with this company Like like the the evaluto was at the members track like if you're a member You could drive it well on the track. Oh, that's right the same parent company. They were like, yeah So I have the escort drive these things out for members to try and maybe buy and by the way a couple it did So it works the press so this so there's yeah, it's like a quail, but you drive It's fucking crazy. So I drove this escort it is again. It's a scratch built car. So it has it but the road car is gonna be a a Like you like like revology modern manufacturing applied to this very specific shape You know, but just make a great Car that looks like this and ford says you're allowed to okay That that's not this what I drove is the race car This is designed to be An exact replica Of this mark one escort that was a british. It's not a they got so mad at me I kept calling it a rally car because us americans only think of these as rally cars. This is a touring car. Yeah, so I can't I I I didn't make a video if I did I would have said it wrong a hundred times But I said it wrong to them a bunch and they were like listen motherfucker It's a touring car. It's a touring car. Yeah, so this thing weighs 1600 pounds and uh has The front suspension Architecture is apparently copied from the for gt-40 It's this is not exactly the same dimensions as the standard escort It's like one of those holman moody Like remember the holman moody nascar back in the day Very famous story where they built like they built it to like seven eights or seven eights scale Like looked right, but it was like smaller This is that where it like it looks right, but it's like different enough and it won the touring car championship and Honestly, I I don't care a lot about vintage touring cars So the fact that I had never even heard of this dude allen man Which maybe makes me a bad car fan, but like whatever I looked at that and I went can I drive that because it looks incredible and they went yes and so I I went out and The only thing that's doesn't is not period correct is the carbon bucket seats, which I mean the period seats would be like you if you had a crash you would probably fucking just die Yeah, it would come up to like the middle of your back or something like that Like no headrest But this is very funny because the only padding on this carbon bucket is the headrest itself The rest of it is shiny and black and hard. Yeah, I would probably order mine with a padding in it Yeah, to get some so like I said, it's 1600 pounds at the curb Okay, and has a 208 horsepower In-house provided it's a quote BRM style so it's a it's a sort of Copy of like you can't you couldn't get the original engine that this raced with so they've remade one that's as close as you can get It revs to like 8500 rpm It's four speed. This one is right hand drive. I think they're all right hand drive as a matter of fact Great Not she forced me the clutch is is grabby like a race cars, but once you're moving, you know, yeah out of a standstill It's it's totally fine manual steering manual brakes And you just you know you hear and feel everything I couldn't get out of this thing This this thing was so goddamn fun. I took it out probably like four times. Wow If it was there, I was like, can I go out and that again? It's like 200 horsepower less 208 horsepower 1600 pounds You know and being on the right and willows, you know streets of willow is a clockwise corner I'm on the inside of of more more corners and and I'm pretty like I'm actually pretty good at like I can I can drive 90 Percent as fast as I could drive on the left on the right pretty close like I don't know if I'd want to enter a race, but like I they they you know, I guess because most people Can't they have a pro driver shout out to simon who was fucking awesome. He was so cool this guy Ford guy he's been with with was with ford performance and racing forever So he was like the driving coach. So he was like you're gonna be okay. 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That's promo code tire Visit bluetooth.com for more details and important safety information and thank bluetooth for sponsoring the podcast promo code tire The bad thing It's four hundred and seventy thousand What's the body made out of? Uh Probably aluminum what happened? We have no audio. Okay. It's uh, it's not carbon It's it's exact. I think it's all aluminum. Yeah, it's just there's nothing in it It's just it's tiny and there's nothing in it, but the way it takes curbs, you know, you can when you go Turns like five six seven and those little s's at the back. Yeah. Yeah, you can just ride way up on the curbs and those and It it slides Uh pretty good, uh on the on the entry obviously It's not quite enough power to just like smash the throttle and get oversteer Like so you really have to enter the bus stop super hot and you can do it Um, but it doesn't really want to just slide on the entrance to the front Yeah, it just doesn't have enough power for us with like modern compound on the tires It's got you know good grip You could probably set it up with different tires and alignment and stuff to to make it slide sure like better But as a uh as a vintage experience like it was not slow Like this thing this thing kind of rips like I wonder if these will be permitted in something like vara, you know Because it's a new car. Yes. They say it is. Wow. Yeah Because it because it's not I mean because it's a new build, but yeah, it's it's yeah, they say and I also think I think there is an open secret in vintage racing Which is that they're happy to get anybody into vintage racing Even if it means the car is brand new and just looks like the old car Like I'm pretty like these you know people who go to goodwood or like yeah, like all the cars are like the replica of the True, but goodwood is different price point than vara. You know like when I've gone to the vara races It's like that's where the the 2002s are running and the alphas and stuff and those can be Expensive for most people like you know 40 to 80 grand but not 20 million for the ferrari. No. Yeah, sure. Yeah From what I understand this is will be eligible for like most vintage racing series If that's what you wanted to do with it. I think if you actually wanted to go racing this is probably too expensive I mean so is it are they building this because these are so beloved in the uk and there's just not many of them left anymore Like our friend effer and he's got one of these but it's it's a left-hand drive You know race car track car, but like they're probably hard to find They're they are kind of hard to find But also I mean I'm I'm actually gonna write For road and track this month and my column just came out yesterday by the way about searching for the budget Bentley Which is I think kind of a fun piece. I didn't it came out better than I thought it would um, but uh I'm writing next month about this And the revology Both of which have found themselves in a position where recreations Replicas I mean straight up you like they don't like to use the word, but like that's what it is Uh are costing more than the real thing You know like you talk about a gt 40 or a cobra like the reason a replica exists is because The real and used to 250 gto's and and blah blah blah like that's that's why fucking replicas exist like Why would you replicate a car where the original? Would be less than the replica so it's an interesting shift in the market where people seem to prefer it to to to To drive maybe better or something or they just they don't they want an old car But don't want the don't even like the idea of Any of the problems that could be associated with an old car? I think that's exactly it when you have the money Yeah, as I said in the video like much of your life is about removing Problems that you don't like that are removable. Yeah, and so here you go. Well, I love the way The gto looks or the Mustang looks but what I always hate about them is Can you fix this and someone's gonna say yes because someone needs a paycheck and like that just leads to where we are with Revology and all these other companies that are are doing really really high quality work And essentially going all right. It's gonna look like the thing you love But it's not going to have any of the issues and it's going to drive better and it's going to use You know modern engineering and understanding of suspension if we can move those Pickup points a little bit or whatever and then you end up with something that's great Yeah, I mean which does beg the question has super performance been doing just that for many years and yet their products sell for 5% 10% of the cost of an original car whereas this escort And and just pull up pull up not cars and bids because it'll be too well pull up bat And look let's see what recent mark one Ford escort like What has gone maybe we'll look at maybe look on racing junk or whatever Uh See what we get let's see. Yeah. Yeah, there was there was a subcategory for mark one. Yeah, here we go What do we got? I mean dude The Go look at that one the fi a tribute. Look at that. Yeah, the second 37,000 dollars. That's a 37 Pop that oh bro. Look at the rate. How about the race car? I mean, what's the most expensive one on here? That race car That one that's 68. Yeah, that looks sexy as hell. That's a no sale at 55 But it's not like this dude was gonna be holding out for 500 eight years ago. Oh, wow So I want to go more recent more recent 2025 Geez 2020. Wow the guys so these don't sell very often. I just think the United States didn't care as much because yeah But in the u.s. Looks cool. Yeah, I mean look this one is 30,000 dollars, you know, and so that's if there's a point against it's that this is This car as amazing as it was to drive and it was fucking amazing is like Many multiples of what it would cost to get. Yeah, dude You could have Richard Tothill build you one of these things for fucking probably half this money I bet he'd charge 470 unless you brought him the shell and he just tuned it But like if you were having him build the body, I mean it it's well build a body from scratch Yeah, no from scratch. Yes, but I'm talking about the you know with let's revology a great museum grade turnkey gt 500 Is probably what 250? Like a regular one is a real 67 probably sure and revologies 380 Right, so it's 50 percent more for a car that's like new replica drives better But I think it's uh, I just think the math is is a lot more off on an escort uh now having said that Borum has This license that's going to extend Oh, wow, we got look at that x carol shelby 67 GT 500. Oh, this is for sale now. It's up right now. Well, this look this one Not a good cop carol's personal car in what I was talking about, but it's the only comp we got up here That's all that's why I pulled it up. Yeah, everything else is like a rough idea. So this is it So let's just say If it was not carol shelby's car it would sell for what it's at now Maybe 210 250. Yeah, 250 250, you know if it's if it's somehow otherwise interesting or perfect Or whatever 350, but I doubt it would go for much more than the actual revology Which is you know, it's just a thing but like when you're talking about an escort that is a 30 to 50 000 now I bet this No disrespect. I I bet the the replica allen man Escorts individually however many they make I think it's 25 or something they're doing I bet the real fucking race car would probably sell for that You know or or something thereabouts Or not, you know or or possibly more but not like multiples more here we go. This is our emoxions. Oh, this is the actual car And what what was it? What was the hammer price? Uh, that would actually be It's I mean, it's awesome. It does look at 210. Huh? Is this when was this from? Uh, but no date on this second thing. Oh sold for 200 000 pounds So there you go. Yeah, what year was this post made now these folks by the way probably bought this They said they owned the real car and they laser scanned it too. They took it apart and laser scanned it to build this one so But but again, that's the real one That's the one the only one real one I under I do am I concerned with this type of thing is that it it's it's it runs the risk of being being a radford Where like they think this thing is a lot more well known That it actually really is outside of their well, it depends on how many if they have to sell 25 I I would say I hope there are 24 people in britain who absolutely love touring cars at this time And you got one person the u.s. Who's heard of it because that's what you're one guy at willow springs I I can't be sure if he had any idea who the fuck allen man was but he drove it And was I didn't I didn't watch him send a wire, but i'm 90 sure he's gonna buy it I mean that's the other thing is you have people today that have so much money Yeah, that they go. Oh 400 000 to have the fun fizz. I just had sure and they just because it's them That's 0.02 and then later they'll sell it for a loss of 200 maybe Well, what's very interesting? Did you know did you hear the and we'll circle back to the evaludo here? Well before we go to that this is actually this whole escort thing is a really interesting discussion because I was on Tormenting tarmac that you've been on with or hey shout out or but he said he asked do you think we have hit the end of like Recreation nostalgia no and I was like I don't think so because all they're doing is doing exactly what we just talked about they're finding a car From an era that people loved and they'll just keep making it and like maybe someone's doing an outie tt Exactly wow, I didn't know that no like this is a perfect example have become Even the supercars have become such digital things That people are seeking the the Not the car they actually had in high school or wanted in high school as it existed But the version of it they've created in their mind Like the way you might remember that ex-girlfriend and or fucking high school That was like great in bed, but like a terrible human or whatever and like what part are you thinking about 30 years later? Like I want that well because why else would you be doing this to an outie tt? Yeah, I mean they do it to you know movies the reboots. It's like hey What if we made that movie with modern CGI? Especially if the movie previously was made with like early graphics and early computer generated stuff and uh You know so so not everybody knows who the fuck allen man is Or maybe they do it. I'm just an idiot, but I don't think they do I think it's a little niche having said that they're doing a road car version of this escort Which will be very cool. It'll have a normal clutch It won't have the Race motor that's in this one. It will have a more modern powertrain That's designed to be like used a lot And then the next car they're doing is a fucking rs 200 Folks one more quick break from the action because support is coming in from delete me Friends the number of people who have come up to me recently and asked me do I know of any services? 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The only way to get 20 off is to go to www.joinedelete me.com Slash tire and enter code tire at checkout. That's www.joinedelete me.com slash tire Code tire and now back to the show And then the next car they're doing is a fucking rs 200 now that goes back to Maybe an original is too expensive to buy and therefore a replica Is it but there's also they're doing it at 103 percent scale Oh, so slightly bigger I mean hopefully for the pedal box. It's also not going to have front drive It's going to be a rear drive car And it's it is going to be built using modern manufacturing methods. It's not going to be a built like the original because it's so it's going to Look like it And then I said, oh what engine are you going to use and I I promised I would not say what they told me But when they told me it I went You're going to kill people That's what I said and they're like no, no, it'll be cool and I was like I Think you might kill people like I that sounds fucking sketch And he went just wait to try it. All right But So moving the safety of all wheel drive Interesting. Uh, so why they're doing that some oh something weird has happened on bring a trailer Why is what happened there? What where on what's with bring a trailer? What's with those two listings that are the same and also different and I don't know where they sold two weeks apart. I don't know. That's fucking weird. Am I I don't know. I don't anyway Uh, I think a real like Dude, wasn't ken blocks rs 200 like half a million bucks Probably it was also 700 horsepower like it was built I sat in that car and it was one of the least comfortable cars I've ever sat in I was shocked Well, that was why I asked I said, you know, what are you going to do about size because like a lot of people are Sized out of that particular car and that was what they what they told me So, you know, like dude, I 100 want to try whatever the fuck they build I mean the rally car or excuse me. See, I just did it again touring car was like I realized it's insanely expensive and completely out of touch for 99.99 a percent of people but like As a taste fuck was out of that was a fizzy ass taste I think the question is in one that they probably wouldn't want answered is if you could do a comparo find someone that has A track prepped, you know Yeah, he sold it. He's was pretty rad and he didn't get $470,000 He's also wasn't period correct engine. I think I think it was a turbo cars worth in it. Yeah Fucking hydro handbrake. Um Like but if you had someone that just had a normal kind of period correct one and you drove that next to this one How much of the fizz do you get? You know, is it 80 percent or is it 92 percent? Yeah, because you know race car Feels like race car. Yeah, they get that shift linkage, right? And if everything else is period correct, they might get very close. This felt like fucking race car this thing I mean the clutch makes no mistake about it, but the lack, you know, the the metallic rasp of all of it Um, but I and I wouldn't want to drive it on the street. It would be annoying on the street Like if you bought that and put a plate on it and drove on the street they're like Because uh after I drove it I was like, I don't have my fucking camera gear with me But I'd love to fucking do a video with this And they said well, maybe we can leave it with you and if you can get it back out to the and I was like I have a dealer plate I'll wear a helmet. I'll just drop and they're like, please don't do that. But also you won't enjoy it I'll get seven views track review of $500,000 Obscure 20 car race car in the canyons would get a fucking million views. That's right. Yeah um, but uh It was sick. Um, it was a real treat. So this is that's all that's the same company that is is is running Their that is also evaludo. That's very cool. Yeah, and so uh, you know, they have they supposedly have a license to make 10 products um I mean imagine, you know a uh, uh, who's whose list of sort of Ford motorsport greats so Order for GT will be there or GT 40 would be like I'm their pinnacle all but certain. Yeah, I mean, I don't know I don't know what the other the other companies that have that make and have made a GT 40 replicas Like I'm not really sure like what their licensing agreement is exactly but like I don't know. Hmm 10 products. That's a lot. 10 products is a lot all from Ford. Yeah. Wow. Yeah It's like, what are the heroes through the years? Is there are there 10? For sure, especially if you go If you if because when he he said street car and and race car were two different products Oh, yeah, okay. Then that makes it easier. So this escort is two products This counts as two in there in their math, right? So you can make five cars two different ways pretty much. Yeah So no edzel is what I'm thinking when you said 10 I was like, oh Did I did we do the edzel versus cyber truck math on this show? Did I was did I bring out how that what do you mean? The the edzel is a car that's like a joke of what a failure it is Like it's like an early example of like a almost like a meme, right? Like if you have car as a failure It's like an edzel is like the example of a bomb a total bomb, right? But they sold Twice as many Ford edzels To a population half the size we have now They have sold cyber trucks Uh to our current population, let's see what google ai says they sold about 120 000 total Edzels edzels. Sorry edzels. Uh, the brand got discontinued in 59 Um, it was a loss of about three billion dollars in today's money. Yeah So, uh, anyway, let's circle back to the uh 355 Evoluto Yeah, did you just go wow because the math is that math? Yeah, the cyber trucks sold half as many and there's way more people There's twice as many people in in the country. Don't see much anymore. You really don't all right. You know where I just saw a bunch Seattle I saw so many fucking cyber trucks in Seattle so many I don't know why but there's way more than they are in la. Hmm. Um They're great in the snow Maybe yeah, maybe that's why but like uh, but uh, I'll come back to to to that at the end But let's talk about the 355 by evoluto everybody man. They really ran a press launch with this thing, didn't they? Everybody got to have a have a go um So this is a uh, resto modded Ferrari 355 and sort of unlike sort of singer and gunter verks Which are which is where the price point is of this thing is to is in between those two um This they haven't really Like with singer at least in the beginning of the company. It was the their classic what's now called their classic, right? What was formerly just which is what they did was a highlight reel of Porsches from that entire era from the 60s through the 90s, right? They highlight reel all that make everything better And that was what their their thing was that was how they described what their process was right the everything is important Gunther verks I don't know why I said it with a german accent. They're from fucking Newport Beach, but But when you look at the word, yeah, they Go back to 1998 and they um quote imagine Porsche had continued development of not just air cooled but the 993 specifically until Today right and they wanted to lap a racetrack the same pace as a modern gt3 But with a with an air cooled car. That's what they want to do, right? So it's it's race car shit in a in a veiled You know thinly veiled sort of street car livery, right? That's what they're doing evaluto Didn't have a way to me to express What their like vision was other than We want to modernize the 355 That they never really had a a deeper a sort of end of the story a deeper story than that which like Maybe there's evidence that you actually don't need a deeper story than that Or maybe there's evidence that you do So why don't you start because I got to drive it in the video So you at least heard my fucking baseline or most people did but no one's heard from you yet on this thing So why don't you start? Uh Well, I had also never driven a stock 355 before so it's obviously been a lot of interesting Perspective might you do list because I do think as many people do that is one of the best looking cars ever built And of course they have the unfortunate reliability record that they do which keeps a lot of people away Lot lot of good in this car and again I hadn't driven a regular one, but I have driven ferrari that have slow steering and so this thing the steering rack is amazing Yeah, you know the handling is great the turn in is really good The suspension is not too stiff the sound is obviously like, you know, what you hear as you enter the gates of heaven basically You know small small ferrari v8s always sound amazing And like I think I had been in the car for 12 seconds and I was like I need to buy a ferrari 360 like I'm shifting and going I should do the vin and just buy a clapped out For r 360 just to hear this sound when it works Well 360s do do work by and large pretty good But if you follow vin and octra stories the car's been down for a little bit so it I mean Yeah, but he he he bought a particularly shot one and then started He's taking that thing apart putting it back together fucking 50 times. That's a true project car. He's he's changing things on his own um I mean as an experience You know, holy crap like it does all of the things we wish I think more new cars did It doesn't feel heavy the size is nice the steering is good the shifting is great Power is totally fine. Like it's it's louder than it is fast, but it's still pretty fast um I mean, I just I found the whole thing a joy and then And to look at it to see what they've done and they've tastefully modified it versus the stock one I think they did a fantastic job color pops and all that stuff, but then There are a couple of things we'll get to i'm sure that we're imperfect and when you're talking at this price point And when you're comparing them, I think fairly too singer because this is the price point you're at And also they've set the bar, you know if you want to reimagine something and improve on something old Well, you can do it this well and charge a million dollars And if you're going to charge 800 thousand essentially like you should get real close But I think you should get closer than 80 of the way there. Um You know, I found it to be I mean it's fantastic. It was just fantastic Yeah, so I have driven stock 355s and in in fact drove another one side by side. So so One of the things you breezed over was the steering. It's They've done a lot with this car. I think uh, it's important to talk about that for all this money You you get a lot. They strip a car down to nothing They reinforce the chassis with strategically applied carbon fiber. It's lighter by 200 pounds. It's 200 pounds There's kilograms So it's about 3 000 pounds the whole body is carbon There's a lot of unsprung mass that's taken out of it the the hubs or titanium There's a lot of titanium and magnesium bits and stuff The track width is wider. It's 77 millimeter wider in the back 66 millimeter in the front wider Obviously the wheels are modern sizes with giant brakes brambo Brambo brakes. They're not carbon ceramic, but it doesn't need it their motorsport grade brakes and the car is not heavy The steering The stock car has a 3.2 turns lock to lock ratio. This is 2.0 turns lock to lock So when you talk about the steering mean change that That's the thing so I bitched a couple times that nobody made a updated steering rack for my Acura NSX Same problem. Fuck and you shut your shuffle steering through corners Instead of what we really have in modern steering systems, which is a much more direct And you can see it so clearly in the video because I have an Over the shoulder camera as i'm talking about it You can see i'm steering this car like a modern car not like an old car and they really have not fucked that up They've also Done a lot with the engine The net result is frankly not a car that goes all that much faster in acceleration But it's a car that and it doesn't actually sound Different enough that I give a shit you hear the difference the change in sound is more the chattery fucking single mass flywheel than it is Anything in the engine you could you could take a stock car and make it sound almost just like this and in fact the other one kind of did But The response is very snappy. It revs up fast It's uh, it's the clutch engages more Much more firmly like a like a performance clutch the the stock clutch Is is a little mushy which actually Isn't such a bad thing The stock car being as sort of soft as it is by comparison Uh would be very nice to use as a car that you could put a ton of miles on Like you'd want i'd want to buy a stock one and have it just made Have all the rubber freshened and all the fluids and just put like a sweet capri stow on it and then go do fucking 20 000 miles, you know like that would be just joyous uh This the the evoluto is more focused. It's like a point a to point a kind of car more so than it is a a road trip type car um, but but Considering how sharp it has become in the corners The ride isn't compromised right the the the the the the lengthening of the control arms Like they've done to this ferrari What you would do if you were building a really good rwb If you're building a really good rwb, you have all your control arms lengthened Yeah, you don't just do with wheel spacers and like offset right right. That's how you do a bad rwb Right, so if you see rwb where the where the wheel hubs are pushed all the way out And the wheels are almost flat faces that car will probably drive really nice If you see one that has a super deep dish rear wheel It's going to drive like garbage and so they've done it right with this it's it's pushed out But it's pushed out from the control arm side. So you have much better shock control Yeah, and I mean it uses the same shocks as the t50 does now the same company r53 Yeah, granted the parts don't you know make the car but This the suspension setup the way this felt in the canyons felt like t50. Yeah, just compliant but stuck. It was amazing Yeah, and the the brakes are are a modern brake pedal feel and modern brake pedal performance and and so the stock car I don't think will ever be more than like a seven tenths car Like it just can't be because the brakes are kind of mushy and the steering ratio is slow And the engine revs up a little slower and the and the clutch is a little mushier Um, and the tires are a little squishier. Um, and all of that it's a little heavier um, but The stock car is it could be a fabulous toer or a fabulous weekend toy, but if you want to hustle Uh, the evoluto fucking does it like I really do not have a lot of notes Dynamically about how that thing drives like that's pretty fucking bang on and that's good because when you're I mean That's what you want when the car is a super car brand that has them been re-engineered with modern knowledge You go, okay. Hope you get it right and you know when we drove that cyan racing 1800 That didn't feel right and you go well all this money and all these brain power and you get this wrong It the steering was weird. The steering was weird and the steering was an absolute like f and after that you're like Well, I wouldn't buy this car, but this thing the steering was ace. Yeah, so but that doesn't mean it's like perfect. So the um, there's a couple things that like I didn't love. Um, I don't uh, I think So Ian Callum did the styling and I respect Ian Callum, but I don't love the styling I like it from certain angles. I think the rear three-quarter looks fabulous I do like the gto Gills on it. I think they look great. I don't I don't I don't I like the rear grille I like the rear diffuser I don't love the new doors with the larger Air inlets on the side not because I don't like the inlets. I just I think it's a worse door handle You have to press that thing. Oh, and then there's nothing to grab Whereas you actually reach into the scoop and just tug it in the original car and that's just better um, you know the the original car is a little cleaner and tighter in its proportions and and But and I don't part of one of the prices for the wider track is that the fenders are a little bit flared on the new one Right, and I think from some angles they look amazing, but I'd have to I wasn't there this day to see the car side by side Yeah So the the wheel design Uh, I don't think they're they have molten up in fairness to them. They have like three or four different wheel choices The ones these gold ones that were on the car for for everybody to drive it are the magnesium ones So they're the lightest I don't think A coffin shaped wheel spoke works well On a curvy Ferrari. I think a coffin shaped wheel spoke works well on a bmw R8 on an r on a lambo angular. Yeah, that's a coffin shaped wheel spoke is a real Lamborghini Gallardo type wheel Um, it's not a Ferrari type wheel and I told them this and I said look They had a couple other wheel designs that looked like momo updated momo designs from the 90s One of which was kind of cool, but I wasn't in love with any of them and I said Can you guys render out Something that's like an updated Ferrari f40 wheel because that's really what everybody just kind of wants totally just the closest you get To f40 like the better. That's just a 550 wheel looks great. That's a rule of Ferrari So they went home and they fucking hit me up the next day With the the updated f and I go that that's that's the thing make make that and they're like we're making this There's a set in production. So so Yeah, so so but we I mean wheels are easy and then is do I have an interior shot? Uh, from the previous post I do So the interior Some great things and then a couple things I don't love I love the metal center console and the buttons and scroll knobs there. Yeah, that feels very Done they look great. It looks special. Yeah feels special Doesn't seem too modern at all, which is really cool. But uh, you know, you can tell that they've they changed that I actually like the dashboard itself The way the carbon and the leather works The doors aren't fancy But I don't hate them Now The seats and if you go to the maybe the next post do I have another I don't maybe I didn't get a shot of it The seats are like real high back like they're the kind of seats you'd find in a modern Ferrari And they go really close to the roof of the car. Yeah, and it takes me out of the era A bit they also look out wrong like they look too big for the car and it looks like We it looks like they had this seat lying around and you it's like it looks like a project and you just shoved this seat in there And you go is that what you're gonna stay with you're gonna go with like a lower car or a spark or something later Because it it almost looks like the seat you test it just because the size is strange It's huge and I drove it the stock car the stock seat You I also sit an inch lower the stock really I sit an inch lower in the stock car Yeah, because this car we both we both get in it and you're taller than me My hair was touching the roof and I felt like I was really up high which was uh, Unexpected yeah for me after a couple months of driving this it would look like the back of the couch and coming to America With the stain from the fucking Yeah, all your sunscreen my sunscreen just rubbing into the suede whereas I had about an inch of room In in the the stock car. So the seats Took me out of the era and also, uh, the they sit high and the backs are tight And then the steering wheel to me I like I like using it. I like the shape of of the rim Uh, I wish it was round but but I mean but when I have my hands at nine and three And I'm steering the car with it at the position and angle and stuff. It feels nice It looks to me It's a little ring brothers And I don't mean that in a disrespectful to mike and jim ring. They have a very specific style But like their style is like Muscle cars at seba And that's what this steering wheel says to me. It looks like if the ring brothers did a 69 camaro This is the steering wheel they would put in it And it's not If you look at For instance to go back to them because it's the gold standard a singer wheel We described it as the most perfect steering wheel ever put into a car. Why? Because it took what Porsche already got right And that like if you look at that singer wheel and I mean written the modern ones that the one of the dls turbos find Um, the regular turbo. Yeah, the regular that's fine it it is It looks like they wow what a fucking Terrible photo set this is but okay. It looks like a modernized version of that Porsche three spoke Uh wheel Oh that this one has Do you see that I've never seen these pads. Have you seen these pads in there? No, but when we when we drove it and this I feel like this camera makes this rim look thicker than it is Yeah, but what was so awesome about this is that it was this like angled flattened carbon rim on the inside and your thumb landed there and you went oh This is how every steering wheel should be it should be flat so that your thumb can press on that outwardly Yeah, and then of course the outside of the wheel is round and it was like the right that was great It was perfect so And if you look at a uh Guntherwuchs, it also looks it looks like Porsche could have made this wheel I don't think Ferrari Would have ever made the wheel that's in the evoluto and I think Like the best Ferrari wheel is the non airbag three five five wheel like you actually can't improve on that So I would literally just remake that but do what singer did with that carbon bit on that wheel Uh because the three five five airbag wheel sucks. It's the big. Yeah, you know big fat first gen airbags, but the non airbag wheel I mean it just doesn't get better that looks like it came out of fucking nicky loud as f1 car You know i'm talking about yeah, it's great. I mean and it probably was an evolution of that wheel I mean, it's you know, it's not too far from in the dash not too far from proto tipo Yeah, it's got a little bit of covering. You know where the horn buttons are Perfect three spokes. That's and I think that's what left out to me is You know on the evoluto one The spokes they they they made brushed aluminum for people listening with like a tan leather around it And it does match the the bright aluminum of the center console and a little accent on the door sill Like they're connecting those bits and I get it but The double spoke with the holes. It's like then it's too much and actually It's kind of like the coffin wheel. It's just yeah and when you go back to the classic one each spoke It's just one spoke, you know one solid spoke at those three ends And this just looks I don't know. It's just a little too aggressive. Yeah Yeah, so so that's you know and Look making it drive great is very very hard I I am I'm very impressed at how well this car drives Particularly for a you know kick the shit out of pre-production car A lot of people in the video commented about the window are there they they wrote an email They were to me they were like very apologetic about the window They basically were like this is this is a rough prototype, you know car and they just didn't like service the stock window mechanisms But like customer cars are gonna have new windbread new window. They're supposed to go down when you whatever. Yeah Yeah, so you know, this is some of the Some of the stuff the fit and finish on this actual car There were a couple of rattles and stuff that you that you would not want to find in in customer deliveries But this is a this is a a shit kicker car. So I mean Mechanically it was So nice to drive Did the guy that the fan that brought his stock car did he get to drive this first off? He did have he did get to have a go Let me tell you something About about adam and his lovely wife carolina These folks are fucking winners. They're they're both like business people They run a business together They have they have this car. They they travel internationally a lot when they come to la they use this as their car And They drove they drove the evoluto. They thought it was cool They let Not just me But everybody who worked With evoluto was four guys And my two cameraman drive their 350. Wow, they let everybody drive it. They insisted everybody drive it The neither of the camera guys had ever driven a Ferrari before and this dude. This is a 17,000 mile mint One of the nicest ones I've ever seen mint Couldn't find a better example of as you know as delivered from for our except for It had this capri sto on it that just ripped. It was so loud and so fun And so, you know when you consider the fact that This example this uh, if you to replicate adam's car Low mile great service great condition, you know, it's not cheap might be looking at 250 More if you want a better color than red tan, they happen to like red tan. No hate on red tan I mean, there is no better color than red resale red. Give me a non red Ferrari, please But but uh, that's fine. You know might be a little more One just came across my way for 275. It was silver But uh, I could have bought fucking joes It's like 80, right bro. I offered him 68. He wanted 74 and we couldn't make a deal Fuck that was how long ago those eight years that would have been 20 Eight 18 maybe you know, I was gonna say imagine how much you spent on maintenance, but you spent a lot on maintenance for it or anyway So, uh, yeah, no if they're worth if I kept it as nice It they this is a car that would have paid for itself over that period of time, but um, you know, it would be very difficult to justify If you don't have all the money, it's like is it quote worth it to no No, it's not and also they said something to me that I I didn't love which was that You know, they're making these parts To make the evoluto what do what it does the stand and and they're also doing they're making some parts like door seals and stuff and and and they're making those parts available to their their um Backwards compatible with regular cars, which is good. That's good But like the steering rack like they won't sell that to you and and which okay but they also were talking about wanting to maintain the investment grade You know keep control the control they wanted to control the secondary market the gray market of these cars and like because I you know I I'm guessing it's hard to convince someone to spend this much money unless you can convince them They'll get more back on the other end I just think it's you know to talk we circle back with the replicas being costing more than the originals this thing costing Probably four times what it would cost to get you a great original. It's a huge markup And and then you're promising the customers that they'll get more on the other end I mean that's a really bold thing which is wild. Yeah, which is a wild thing to say and it's and it's a sad thing because it will Encourage the customer to not drive the car because if it's an investment Then lower miles will bring more money No miles will bring you know what I mean? Do they have a production number for the evoluto? I forget 55 coups. Okay and and uh, so it like whenever we find that capitalism intersects with car enthusiasm Capitalism almost always wins at this at this price point and that sort of sucks And they're they're doing like a 20,000 mile warranty But they're also they're also trying to say it'll be worth more on the other end So it's not being treated as a throwaway money toy Like I burn the money on this just so I can fucking rip a 355, you know and like tuner cars used to devalue I mean used to devalue. Yeah, but that I mean that's different like I don't think anyone's Like burning money on a singer or burning like anyone at this price point is too careful the guy who had a car here Uh You know who I'm talking about Never drove it because he was because he probably stretched a bit to buy it And he was afraid to drive it and damage it because it would hurt just the bummer And it was priced around this one. It's it's it's counterintuitive when you've spent all the money to make it drive so good I agree yeah, you go because People the the person who buys the car if they just bubble it They're gonna repeat the pitch that we've heard and that we have helped share which is like they're gonna go Oh, the steering rack's great. Yeah, I know they fix the reliability with all these new parts And the wheels are so light and the way it sounds is amazing and you're like when's the last time you experienced anything? Oh once Whoa, and I picked up how many tanks of gas have you been through? Well, I don't want to ruin the value. Sure. Yeah, keep being boring, but rich great. It's it's unfortunate um When you pitch it both ways, you know I I understand why you have to do that, but I also it's also like It just made me feel a little ick. I wonder if You know I wonder if people in the beginning of singer Had that concern of resale or they were just excited about the cars And the resale kind of happened and then now it's just a known thing If you if you're on the list and you pick one up You could probably flip it for 50 to double because everyone else to someone who doesn't want to wait Yeah, but I wonder if their early customers gave a shit or if they were just happy to have the perfect driving machine No, I think they had a tough time. They had they they had We should I mean, I don't know if we Has maz ever actually told the story of like the first 20 cars if they did not hear no We should get him to do that. Yeah, I think he would openly tell the story the story of the first 20 cars I think would be very interesting um But I think it you know A few people saw rob rob dickinson's car They they they wanted cars, but it wasn't like Instant, you know flip or waiting list and the assumption for the first year or a couple years was not that you would Get more money on the right because it was a new experiment. I think we're we're in this weird position where uh It's like we're looking at the evolutionary timeline of almost apiens or something But we get to see the entire timeline at in one moment because singer has been doing this now for 15 years 2010 right with first-ar exposure to them. So they're they're in this 16 years now and super successful like they're they're the example of What can happen if you do the recreation perfectly and the market comes to you and or is there? But then you've got like revolutions been doing it a little while have Seemingly good success. They're expanding their portfolio and then you've got evolution like brand new, you know and they're still whatever chimpanzees In my analogy that's falling apart So we're getting to we're comparing a new company to an established company and we know that the Evoluto would probably hope to become singer for Ferrari and Ford and whatever But we're kind of comparing like, you know the future of the past for a first car It could be a piece of shit. Do you know what I mean? It could it could drive like garbage It could not work properly like there's all kinds of things that it could be that would be fucking terrible like You know starting with a Ferrari does not guarantee greatness in any way But uh, it's it's not that it drives beautifully It really it really does it's it's it's dynamically quite excellent and like other than having less NVH or I should say worse NVH not less NVH worse NVH than the stock car You could drive it on a road trip like I don't see why you couldn't they're offering a fucking 20,000 mile warranty So, you know, they they're they're doing development miles. They believe in the product Okay, there's some things I cosmetically don't like there's some things other people cosmetically don't like But if you look at the comments on the instagram or the video like it's pretty Split it's not everybody feels the way You necessarily feel about this design So, yeah, that's true. Yeah, I think I thought you not you I meant the audience not use that Also, you I thought it looked rad. I think they both look great I think the stock one is obviously just sexy as hell, but the new one I think they I think they did subtle enough changes Where when I looked at I was like, oh, this is hot. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's it's definitely a fucking vibe I mean, it's it's it's it's a 355 tf. That's what it looks like or with a tdf Right when they did that with the f12 Yeah, it's here a little more aggressive, but not too much. Sure. Yeah, competizione. Yeah kind of thing Uh, I'd probably Pop off the evaludo badge off the grill and put the fucking horse back on I know they can't do that because right legal things, but Um, it's a fucking spicy meatball. They also. Oh, but I forgot to mention they they remove that They redo the whole wiring harness that they do a lot There's they there's a the list of things they do is really very lengthy They said a lot of the engine parts they've changed will help the reliability because these cars I think the 355 had a higher ownership cost than like a 512 In it it did in terms of most expensive to own and drive you have uh, the f50 is the most The f40 after that and then the 355 that's insane. That is the That's hypercar hypercar Supercar or maybe yeah supercar and they're priced similarly They're even they're more expensive to run than even like Like to run not to buy and sell just to run the like then like a 60s v12 car Those ain't those ain't shit compared to a 355 the fact that testerosa is below 355 yeah testerosa is only just they're the next one still you know, it's it's older and it's a more complicated engine Yeah, it's a v12 engine so you think of these 50% more cylinders, right? You need 50% more of almost everything. Yeah um, but but they're like Here's the final thing about the evaluto It costs $770,000 plus a 355 And it can be a shitter. It doesn't have to be a good but it can't be crashed Uh You know, you're not buying a you're not buying like a yeah, it's not it can't be crashed or burned But it can be it can be fucked So like the worst 355 and it's got to be a gtb The worst one is gotta be a hundred grand like the worst one And it'll have like a salvage title maybe because it was like flooded You know not crashed but like but like otherwise. Yeah, I mean you're not wrong. I'm looking through for listings On on bat, but yeah 100k is gonna get to get you the shitter is shitter that you know barely runs Basically and has like all kinds of paperwork problems that you may have to explain to somebody down the road Or probably not. I don't know. I guess nobody ever I can't say for certain, but I have to guess that once you buy Second hand a singer or a gunther or something like that You're not asking any questions about what the donor car's life was like beforehand That shit is that shit's washed away in the fucking way. Yeah, I don't really matter. Yeah, you just I would assume that they that singer has gone through every piece of it anyway Yeah, so it doesn't really matter how it lived before if it had rust. I'm sure they fixed it It's it's essentially in my eyes is the brand new car. Yeah. Yeah um So the the lingering yeah the the man, huh What was I just gonna say I had a I did have a lingering thought on this car and Maybe it'll come back to me. I don't know. I mean it's it's it's cool It's it's neat. I I I really enjoyed driving it I mean the question is always Do the people shopping at this level will they see enough of a difference between this and the regular car? And I think you could ask the same question with the Porsches There is a difference, but here's the actually the the thought that escaped me and just came back for this amount of money 770 plus a car. It's a million dollars. Call it a million dollars. Yeah What Modern Ferrari are you gonna buy that's better For for the same amount of money now. It's an interesting amount of money because it's There's a lot that's less than that a lot, but not a lot that's like close There's not a lot of modern ferrari's that are like 800 or 900 thousand that are worth it Like there's some like a couple like very low mileage like 430 scooter reas like fuck out here 900k for that thing No, absolutely. It's awesome. But 900 thousand dollars. No That's the most fabulous 125 thousand dollar driving experience you can have but for 900 grand But if you you know if you close your eyes with this thing, is it is this a million dollar driving experience? Well, no, I mean the the question is what ferrari what original ferrari can you buy for a million dollars? That's better. That's a better driving experience and you you have to look pretty hard For the same amount of money you could spend like five million dollars, right and then you get f50 or Or you could spend 500 And you could have something great as well But but for one million what stock ferrari is better Weird weird place you found yourself there, I guess I'd have to drive a scud back with this to see you know Scuds are cool. They ain't that They're not all that That's that's 150 to 200 Driving experience pure driving experience the reason they're fucking 900 is because someone somewhere thinks they're investment great Right. Well, someone probably bought their own car and pumped it. The mass holes coring the fucking market. Yeah I want to do a few questions and I want to so we'll save My report from the from my pacific northwest trip, which is actually pretty fun But I did want to tell you a funny story before we get to questions I was flying to uh portland and to start my road trip and I was My camera case Not i'm sorry. It wasn't portland. Where did I just fly the nismo launch? Excuse me. I was going to coming back from sfo from sonoma Where I drove the nismo z which I can talk about On the 18th or something. Yeah, so next week And I have my camera case because I was filming got stopped Uh, you know pulled aside as I do pretty frequently with that case And and they go what's in here and I go cameras and camera mounts and they go okay can We found a potential weapon in there and I go, huh And I open it and he pulls out The Leatherman that you gave me tsa approved my birthday tsa approved to their website now I i'm sorry because I I have a bit of a marriage wana problem Did you give me that for this past birthday or a year ago? Was it this past december or a year ago december? I don't think it was a year ago. I think you've had it long you had it longer than five months I think so i've had it for 18 months. I think so yeah 17 months. Yeah, okay When you first got it to me I put it in that case. Yeah I've been carrying out okay for all over the world For 18 months. I have not been stopped until now For having a thing that looks first off. I was stoked because I got to say tsa approved buddy No blade and he like what he's like wow, that's pretty cool. Put it back in set me on my way But it looks just like one that does have a blade. Hmm. You can't tell from the outside That it doesn't have a blade you have to take it out and show it to someone It looks exactly like a regular Leatherman with a blade I Forgot it was even in the camera case this whole time. I thought I had taken it out Uh, but it turns out I have been flying all over the goddamn globe security in many nations mainly spain and america but like For 18 months i've been carrying this fucking thing all over the world and nobody has stopped me to ask a question about it until last week I wonder if that crazy if the uh The fidelity of the x-ray machine is good enough. They can see blades or they just don't care No, they cannot you know what they see when we go through those they see the suction cups on video look like a cartoon bomb They look like something from a 50s cartoon. It's a round circle with a thing sticking out And they look at that and they go oh, it's not a cartoon bomb from acme great And then they just send you on your way. Yeah, so I mean I eight i've probably flown 60 segments I'm glad I'm glad that they acknowledged. Oh right. There's no blade that does pass the rules here you go I have a nice day because I think the very first time you flew with it You got stopped and you had to like Show and I was like texting you the leatherman website, you know here show them this thing But now it then they figured it out but uh, so anyway, they didn't find this thing for a year and a half What is where am I going with this they're not finding your weed? Just you can comfortably fly with weed. They're not they're you're okay not legal advice Almost Not legal advice. It won't hold up in court. But like for all just saying for all practical purposes They if they're not finding this they're not they're not finding your weed They're looking for lithium batteries and things that explode and only big ones. They don't I was told I had taken all the gopro batteries out of that case and they asked about lithium batteries And I said no no I took them all out of the case and they were like Can you show me them and I was like I had and they were like oh, we don't care about those We just care about the ones that like go on drills like bigger or like power banks and stuff like that and I was like Well, I'm just gonna take them out. Anyway, you know, I've been I've been doing that. There's a fire I don't mind. I mean continuing to do it Also, it's good practice because I know we've told you this many times But for the audience a lot of other countries do care about the small batteries. Yeah Um, all right, uh, let's do a few questions from the patry Also shout out to r u garbage for putting on a great live show live show in la last week. They fucking rule go see them They're on tour um Where was I patreon.com slash the smoking tire podcast is how you get in on the fun ask questions for the show Listen to the live stream watch the live stream get the show the day It's recorded rather than that the scheduled tuesday thursday Get exclusive early access to uh merch collabs things like that and of course get an extra podcast every month Just for you at patreon.com slash the smoking tire podcast uh b5 s4 I can fix her says would the average m car buyer Actually be better served by an alpina version The older I get the more I want fast and comfy and less race car theater. Well, the second part I can certainly relate to um I mean that's the that's the target of alpina alpina is is for people who want to drive the autobahn across germany You know to commute 150 miles a day at 150 miles an hour And the m car is for racetracks. So I think if your vibe is I'm old now. I want a fast-ass couch then Yes, now with the average m car buyer That's the question because I think what I see mo the new m's in this town seem to be bought by people in their Late 20s to early to mid 30s. I'd say for the most part. They're still gonna want the race car thing They're not gonna want the more comfortable High speed also like where we live, you know, you don't commute fast on the highway most of the time. Yeah Uh, but I do love me an alpina me too Open wide open throttle dds Dds i'm one of the dentists at one o'clock today I've put my tuned 992 s on the local track here in houston And I've been to a good number of instructed lessons at the track at what point did you guys say? Hey, I am advanced at this This is a good question. I wanted to I'm trying to figure out like what does h pde consider like what is their advanced criteria? I know they allow open passing usually it usually just means like you are you haven't had a bunch of offs You're confident around other traffic like you're not so distracted by driving the car on the track that you can't be aware of What's happening around you, but I wonder if there's like a specific advanced I would say advanced is you are comfortable showing up to a track That you've never been to Like let's say you go with go out with chin or you go out with speed ventures You go out with one of these track day companies and they've got a track day somewhere you've never been to Like or it's a track day company at a track day that you've never like you're comfortable not just Getting your car around the racetrack safely But like you're comfortable showing up at a track day put on by a company. You don't know at a racetrack. You don't know and you can rock up And know what to do from the moment you arrive You go, okay. Well, I'm here now. I have to tech my car. I have to register I have to get a wristband the driver's meeting is at this time. These are the questions I might have about the track I know what the flags mean. I know that I can go out I'm gonna I'm gonna be at the pit at my assigned time. I know what my time what my assigned times are My car will be ready when I'm on the track I'm looking at my mirrors and as faster traffic approaches me from behind I'm giving those people point buys in a way that doesn't impede their speed or I'm driving predictably It doesn't necessarily mean I get below a 140 at laguna or something a hardware thing. Yeah, it means that like you become like a net A net even to net positive of the track day experience for others around you That's when you're advanced you're fluid in the fluent in the language. Yeah of like, yeah You're also fluid you're fluid in the language an example of me still learning english. You're a mumble rapper. Yeah Yeah, like you're you're you are you are you understand the track day experience In a way that you know, you can rock up knowing To a new place and just be comfortable Yeah I think that's probably it and also in in in and around that, you know, you're not your car's not going off You're fucking well part of that is that you can go out on the track and you know how to learn the track at A safe ability level. You're sorry safe speed. You okay? I'm gonna first 10 laps I'm gonna figure out where things go. You've never been there before and then you're gonna do that safely. Yeah Uh Sigs inside says I keep getting complaints about the smell in my car due to fresh black ice little trees What air fresheners do you recommend if any? Oh man I mean look Based on the username you're ripping heaters in the car, right? If you're ripping heaters in the car like There's not much you can do Other than like just get it washed all the fucking time. Yeah Because anything you put in there is just adding it's mixing with that smell So it can you sandalwood whatever doesn't care. There's cigarette mixed in there. Yeah air fresheners are additive You need to be thinking subtractive. Yes, that's like I don't put my car's always smell fine I have I clean them all the time Uh, and so like yeah If you clean your car all the time, you you don't need an air freshener. Yeah, it's true I haven't had an air freshener in my car in like years. Yeah, it's fine Yeah And if you do clean your car all the time and you need an air freshener Do you clean yourself enough? That's a good question. Yeah, you know, is there lost food under a seat somewhere? Yeah I can relate to ripping heaters in cars, but I think like I don't know and granted I was smoking cigarettes at the time But you were in my cars a lot like when I wasn't actively smoking a cigarette. I didn't have smelly cars. Did I? I I'm pausing because I don't know because I think I was exposed to it so much that it's possible I can't remember if I would get in the car and it would still smell like cigarettes I will say that when I would go home to Santa Cruz my mom would accuse me of smoking cigarettes because my clothing still smelled Yeah, yeah for sure. So I think the car the truck probably did smell a little bit like cigarettes But once you get in your nose gets used to it Maybe yeah, but I was like it's california. So I always I was like You're a window down windows down and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, uh, it probably did But I also think I made efforts to keep it pretty minimal I watched my vehicles a lot true Johnny evie gibberman says the lexus rcf has been doing well racing this year Which is great when you realize they still make that car. They actually don't Are there any other cars you forgot exist because they've been around for 15 years and sell six of a year? um Hmm I just was like I just randomly the other night was like Do they sell the fee out 500 still in america? And they do the electric one and I think I would like to maybe try one as a press car It might be kind of fun. We should I I feel like I don't see them as much as I used to when they were kind of newish um, because I also wonder if they have held Value and been reliable the way, uh, you know other hatchbacks from that era have been. Yeah, um Let's see other cars that we forgot exist because they sell so few of them I mean, I probably would forget they exist right now to be honestly you We'd have to go like the lex like I'm sure lexus sells cars. We forget they even make They just came out with a new car called the new tz. I think it's called. It's like a three row It's like the lexus version of the grand highlander. I think um What What I mean, I just rented and I'll have a review of it next week My I did that with this road trip in a gmc akadia Like I couldn't have told you that that was still a thing they made I see them around a lot They have a very distinctive uh backside. They do um, but you'll and you'll have my review of that car next year tame and pala ss uh, you often talk about cars being a x price point driving experience What are some examples of the most overpriced and underpriced driving experiences you can think of in today's market? fair uh If you were to go to an auction and buy a msg wide body six liter hammer From 1986 looks unbelievable most one of the most badass living cars ever made driving it 380 horsepower v8 four speed slush box sure. Yeah, you know 80s Mercedes steering like would not be exciting and you're talking about $800,000 $700,000 for something like that. So that's you know, that's up there I also think the newer gtrs went like when they were still selling them new and it was 200 thousand dollars effectively and it Felt more like 120. It felt like the old cars with the with the same transmission all that stuff Like it felt like they just priced it up. They'd adjusted the pricing but not adjusted the car sure um So that's those are some overpriced ones underpriced driving experiences hmm There's not a lot of what's a budget. There's not a lot of them I mean the the gr twins like the gr86 is a wonderful car to drive and it's pretty affordable still like but does it Does it punch above its weight? It's very slow But everything else about it feels great. I mean turning shift like if you put that steering or turning or balance Into other cars that were more expensive. We'd all go. Oh, yeah, yeah, right uh, and they're in in that vein there's Another one I I can't really say because it may got it break it embargo, but like there's another one that I think is a competitively priced To underpriced driving experience. I think the m2s is an overpriced driving experience because its direct competitor is itself Without the cs and it's 30 grand less um, honestly like I think The zr1 corvette is potentially an underpriced driving experience um, if you put if you blindfolded somebody And put them in the passenger seat of that car Versus in a mclaren 750 I don't think most people could tell you which of those cars is more expensive I think a very a very Well-trained person might be able to but most people would say that these are basically the same. That's a good point. Yeah so um, same with zero six dude a second hand zero six is probably the most underpriced driving experience sounds like ferrari feel like ferrari Yeah, 90,000 bucks. Yeah all day Uh, grandma gears says I impulsively bought a 1991 alfa male 164 mostly to hear the buso v6 It runs but cosmetically is in terrible shape. I'm thinking of racing it in lemons Good idea, or should I try to keep it a street car? I never see these in the wild and I doubt it will go up in value You're correct about both of those last things. I never see them in the wild either and I doubt it will go up in value Uh, my guess is if you really get that motor Serviced properly with good stuff like I bet you it'll be great on a racetrack Maybe like I don't know maos are not terrible when you've zing the shit out of them all the time actually like It will probably break a bunch right, but it'll probably be a lot of fun. It would sound great. It'd be tons of fun Um, I'm sure other people have raced alphas and lemons. I'm sure they have amazing stories It's funny because this is very much like a damned if you do and damned if you don't like if you drive it on the street It's in terrible shape It might break down if you race it it might break down, but you'd have more fun maybe like maybe you Do uh, like I don't know dwa rallies with it or something. That's a good idea If it's an ugly car that's fun to drive and weird looking is perfect for dwa rallies do that or the overcrest rally I would do like I would do one of those spend a year doing rallies with it In rallies meaning like group drives not like stage rally and then take it to the racetrack because the racetrack by the way For you know grandma gears like you got to put a cage in it fire suppression. Yeah, that should cost you lots of money by the way so Keep that in mind. Um I oh wow I have I have last one and then I have to call this show. I apologize We'll save all the extra questions for less next show, but I have a heart out at 10 o'clock My bad Healer monster greg says if you had to buy each other a daily driver for 50 to 100k with the goal of sabotaging the other person What the fuck kind of sabotage are you doing to someone buying them like a 75 000 car like a terrible 70 000 I mean, all right, so I'll buy I'll buy you zack for 75 000. I'll buy you The burned out husk of a 1967 ferrari 250 You know, whatever the fuck right like I'll buy I'll buy you a vinn number surrounded by rust I'd say that's pretty bad. Good luck turning that into a car. Um For 75 000 I would buy you like a front wheel drive Street legal like cup not cup. Yeah, like a like a polo cup That'll probably work. No. No. I want it to be stiffer than shit with no interior. So it'd be uncomfortable slow tiny And uh, yeah, all those things or you know what I just get you we saw before I would get you an rs 200 Yeah, I'll give you an rs 200 Perfect. Thanks everybody. Thank you to our patrons for writing such good questions today We'll save the rest of them for next show which will be thursday or wednesday wednesday for wednesday and uh, I'll see you guys later Thanks so much. Bye