#2444 - Andrew Wilson

The Joe Rogan experience Shrained by day Joe Rogan podcast my night all day You know way before they changed my minds changed my mind. Yeah, what is Charlie? Would it Charlie said prove me wrong or something like that? Yeah, it was something akin to that my understanding was that Essentially TPU I say rip that idea off. Yeah, it's right. Yeah And then He would I think he feels a lot of Like responsibility for what happened with Kirk because Is he the most hot what's that is he the missod the exactly that's so funny I don't know. Let's get you got you got canisters number we can ask you can ask her Kansas is getting She's getting dragged on Twitter today because she's like I've lived in Connecticut I've never seen this much ice on trees and It's 30 degrees out and everybody's like yeah 30 is freezing Yeah, it's so funny. It's not true. Do you see all the misclio memes? It's so funny You remember you don't remember the miss the psychic yeah, the psychic they keep on putting the misclio memes out for Kansas, he's a psychic, you know, that's hilarious It is funny. I think this lighter just shit the bed Can I borrow that one? Thank you Yeah, it's really funny Well Candace is painted herself into a weird corner where everything has to be a wild conspiracy Like it has to be Bridget McCronsom man. Yeah, it's Eric or Kirk killed Charlie It has to like one up the last one, you know, yeah I was this really funny. He came to the same conclusion that I did So it's like I've seen those conspiracy channels come up before and then They they come up and they crash out and the reason is is because Like for her I think she she had the whole like She was involved with this right she was involved intricately with with Kirk She knew him yeah, and so that gave a lot of credibility to a lot of the things that she was saying But then once you start moving back into like Mandela effect stuff and yeah, you know time travel and yeah people are like I mean you can do that if you're that guy if your art bell If you want well, you know, but Bell I remember I used to listen to bell Oh, yeah, I remember that intro boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom Yeah, so the kingdom of not yeah, I remember I remember listening to him for years You know when I've drive around with my dad yeah, he was a Like it was a big deal And I remember the very first episode I heard from him was something about the nymph was like what's the nymph? The nymph or like that's guy called in he was a time traveler All right, and he came back in time because His whole his whole thing was like he had to stop the weather and patterns from destroying the future because the nymph and alien race of grace And they were heating up the planet slowly To change it to be the conditionals that were necessary for them to then live on the planet And you know art bell he's always playing into it with the lunatics you know, and he's like And does the CIA currently know that you're there doing this you know And then dude's just like Yeah, I would give you all the rope. Oh, yeah, you can call art. I'm a werewolf interesting. Yeah Oh, you ever got a big foot episode. No, oh my guy. That's the funniest episode. So here's That calls into art bell and talks about how he killed bigfoot and where he buried it and the guy has It's like I don't know if it was early trolling like before trolling was trolling, but it was like this guy He was like, yeah, you know me and Timmy we are we took him out back there shot him right in just twice and And some young and nice spread out a little bit and then we you know we packed up the big foot and buried him back And it's just like and you said there was young ins The bigfoot people are the weirdest Dunkin Trustle and I went hunting for bigfoot once we did this I used to do this TV show for a while called Joe Rogan questions everything And I would be like all right tell me about chemtrails You know, I'd go meet with all the loons and all the people that are like really involved UFO anything like that And we went and hung out with the bigfoot people So we went bigfoot hunting for like two days in the Pacific Northwest and talked to all these people and They're all like the same person I just said it's like a team of unfuckable white guys It's like that's what you find like these guys are just like they found their calling It's just like looking for a mystery in the woods and you'll never solve Well, there was a guy used to have on your podcast and he was he was huge for a long time And I think it still is it's uh remember those missing cases Right, that was a big deal And I was always like anytime I heard anything about that I always was enthralled with it because some of the stories were Demented yeah, like kids appearing 500 miles away and all this uh But that guy always had you edged because people would always go what do you think's going on? You know, what was that guy's name? I can't I can't remember it, but he it was like Missing yeah, four one one one and missing four one one Who's I've seen him on Instagram or on Twitter? Yeah Yeah, he what he got all the park records You know, and he started going through and he was like there's some really weird stuff going on here for how many people were missing in national parks There is There is but the reality is if you die in the woods you get consumed pretty quick That's the reality. That's why you don't find mountain line skeletons Mountains are a real thing. I've never found a doubt dead mountain line skeleton all the times I've been hunting never not once You'll find elk bones, you know, you'll find stuff like that I found some coyote yeah, Cody skeletons before how the dramatic desert, but mountain lines are a real thing You very very very very very rarely find a dead mountain line. Yeah, and there's so many of them now think about how few people actually go like hiking yeah into the deep wilderness your body just gets consumed sure You know, there's so many animals that come along rats all kinds of things eat your bones. Oh, yeah, it's a free meal Yeah, it's so easy and they can smell it for miles sure bears Yeah, anywhere there's wild pigs and then it's over then there's nothing left Yeah, they can smell that stuff for miles, but it's like people always want to attach some crazy deeper weird, you know UFO bigfoot meaning to it's like no, it's you're in the wild And nature has a whole plan for dead things and it does a really good job of assuming that last not at all Well, that's the thing if you live out in the country. It's you see this all the time Uh, you know raccoon will be around getting in someone's trash. They'll walk out bam raccoons done They just go throw it in the bushes. Mm-hmm. You don't eat that's it. That's it. Yeah problem solved Problem solved and it disappears quickly and the plants consume it and yeah, that's it It's rocks and things eat it doesn't even take that long to rock It's just quick quick you ever seen like those time lapse photos where they take a dead out of them all and they let it sit there and you watch it get consumed by maggots and It's very quick. Yeah So these poor people that go hiking, you know like if you go hiking and you're by yourself and you break an ankle in your 15 miles in and you don't have a compass and You're kind of like roughly judging which hill you came over and There's a lot of people that just get ahead of themselves They really shouldn't be that far out there and they just die Happens all the time, yeah, you know, so like this idea that it's like there's a you could If you look at all the data and you try to find a pattern to it and you start imagining that there's some grand conspiracy The some watcher in the woods. It's consuming people some demon that's out there you can You get pretty kooky with your ideas. I think the popular theories. It's wildman Oh wild men wildman. Oh like humans. Yeah, well or some human variant That are that's with this guy this 411 guy believes I'm not sure because he won't Say they don't he doesn't he doesn't actually give his here's what I think is going on But people ask him and he's like well, I have my theories, but he never tells you actually what the theories are I wonder why does he want to tell Maybe that's why he's not more popular if you just came out with it like Candice Yeah, maybe it'd be huge Yeah, I'd like those guys that used to be in the 90s who were saying that we were going underground and killing the Nephilim Oh, yeah, those guys were great They're you're going down is like, oh, man, and they were giants. They had three rows of teeth and your special forces are going down there Taking a mouth Yeah, there's a whole group of people that believe that there's underground creatures that live underground and come out at night And there's always been like these Yeah, whatever they are, you know people some people think the grays live underground You know There's like there's not a lot of mystery left You know outside of places like the Amazon the Congo that are super deep to get to not a whole lot of mystery left in terms of life Maybe ocean depths. Yeah ocean depths for sure That's like the whole new unexplored frontier right it's ocean depths. Yeah Say I'll be in time. I turn on the TV. It's like look at this crazy creature. I'm like that doesn't exist And I look at it. I'm like wait that It's not one the other day tweeted out. I was like me double effect has to be real. It was a it's called a Siberian Mule deer You ever seen a Siberian Mule deer? No, they have fangs. Oh Right, I have seen a fang deer. I forget what they call it apparently that's the You know, do you know what elk ivories are? Yeah, yeah, that's used to be like a tusk Like way way back on the day. It's so retarded looking dude. Yeah, that's the fang deer. Yeah, they're weird. It's very strange Yeah, I wonder what they were there for yeah, well, there's I found a video because I was like no way dude these things Yeah, I thought I was being meamed, you know, so And this thing is real so I found a video of them fighting and they use those things as weapons. Oh, that makes sense It's just the only thing that makes sense like gorillas the gorillas don't eat meat. Yeah, they have these massive fangs You know, it's nature is weird So much variation, you know, there's so many different types of life If it's and the fact that they all sort of synchronize like this one eats that one and that one eats this one and this one he lives there and that one lives it's like It's very fascinating when you really look at the just a wide variety of species that exist Well, most people don't know anything about it Like most people have never ever we live in such a comfortable world That is completely guarded From everything that's out there And it's like people had a taste of out there. Yeah, I think that the world view of many many people would change very quickly Especially feminist. I think the feminist would immediately stop being feminist if they just had a taste of like well You know people you actually did have to shut themselves up at night from wolves Yeah, that was a real thing wolves would come in and eat you And so you would shut yourself in so that that didn't happen Well, that's gone so far the other way that fucking retards are bringing wolves into place Yeah, I know It is so dumb I have a good friend then they take it over like in yellow stone or someplace they reintroduced walls and it just decimated the deer population The elk population, but that's actually arguable that that might have been a good thing In some ways because it was getting to elk need natural predators and mount lions can only kill so many elk But what's really interesting is mount lions kill way more elk when wolves are around because the wolves find the mount lions and take their elk And so then the the mount lions have to go kill another deer or you know, whatever Why why like just issue more hunting elk permits though like why do that well you have to have some natural predators In in a good healthy ecosystem and there's a good argument particularly in Montana that at one point in time It had gotten to a point where you're gonna have like rampant disease Because they were they were issuing these They're issuing like unlimited or a large amount of tags for people in the mid-winter So that you can catch these elk and deep snow and just peck them off because they were having so many of them And that they they weren't sustainable that they were hitting these massive populations So their populations are down to like I want to say less than 40% of what they were at their peak when they brought in the wolves But the problem is these wolves like what they didn't call around A recently is the dumbest of all time because they brought these fucking wolves outside of Aspen And they took wolves from Washington state, Washington state or Oregon But whatever it was these these wolves from the Pacific Northwest were wolves that already Had been killing cattle So they captured these wolves instead of killing them and then they relocated them To Aspen where they're killing cattle So they they relocated them onto my buddy's ranch Like there's five of them. He had a cattle ranch, did he? He didn't have he doesn't have cattle on his ranch, but it's fucking neighbors do okay And his neighbors are losing cattle left and right and these and so now they've killed off a couple of them and they're trying to It was a disaster and it's because the governor the governor's husband He's a wildlife lover anything so it would be amazing if we had wolves You ever talked to those old deer hunters in Michigan in Michigan? Yeah, they've been pissed off for it like every deer hunter I know in Michigan has been pissed off is a native for years because they all they all used to shoot feson That was the big deal in Michigan was feson And then here's the story I heard I don't know if it's true or not right But the DNR the department of natural resources imported a bus a bunch of western coyotes in order to thin out The deer population because the deer population was basically mangling all these farm crops And those now that's an all you can eat buffet For a coyote in Nevada these ground birds that are just these fat Fat little ground birds and They decimated the poppy so you'll talk to these old deer hunters. Have you seen any feson? No shut up Shut up the interesting thing about that those fesons and invasive species That's not a natural North American species They brought those fuckers over and they are delicious. Yeah, and it's fun to hunt them Well, they would always just walk those train tracks those old abandoned train tracks You know and then they'd have the dogs dogs kick up the feson They shoot them from the track dog and bring it up. That was like a Michigan pastime Yeah, the coyote thinks a real problem because coyotes are now they used to be a western animal and now they're in all 50 states Not only that they're in virtually every city in America Well, they've been wiping them out in Michigan pretty good in rural areas Oh, yeah, well if they do now as they have the GPS trackers put them on the dogs Oh boys will get in with AR 15s Those dogs will run them for 200 miles and then they finally take a shot and they just will do that all winter long, man That's good, but it's hard to wipe them out because what they do is you know when you hear coyotes calling It's like roll call when they're They're letting sometimes there's a lot of confusion what they're doing some people think that they're letting the other coyotes know that they've killed something That we have food, but it's also a roll call and when one of the coyotes is missing the females have more pups Really? Yeah, some weird natural reaction also they have natural enemy is gray wolves and when They evolved they evolved to when the gray wolves killed them because the the gray wolves don't breed with coyotes But coyotes do breed with red wolves. That's why you have these like coy wolves in the east coast Because coyote is a wolf. It's a wolf. It's just a small wolf and so their natural inclination is when they're getting chased they move to a new area and then they have even more pups So that's how they've spread out through the entire country So if you go back to like the turn of the century like the 1900s Coyotes were exclusively a western animal. Yeah Now they're in New York City. Yeah, they're everywhere. Just it's crazy. They have them in Central Park They have fucking coyotes running around Central Park Some lady this morning posted on X a mountain line in San Francisco sitting on a porch In the city of San Francisco a big one just sitting there It's like Just having a good time Just because California has the dumbest fucking loss when it comes to those things. Yeah, well they have terrible gun laws too They have terrible lost terrible laws. They have terrible laws Terrible everything terrible politicians. Yeah, he knows is shame to like I grew up in Santa Rosa and That's the most beautiful area The map of alley areas the most beautiful area on planet earth the weather is always perfect It's January 15th. It might as well be July 15th. Yeah, it's always perfect. It's always gorgeous And they fucked it all up. They fucked it all up. Yeah And they fucked it up real bad too. Oh, it's almost unfixable now Especially like San Francisco area Like the whole Pacific Northwest is almost unfixable It's like they double down and they keep going like Seattle now has a communist mayor Yeah, who's been living with their parents? New York They all got communist And then black lives batter had they were their head organizers. They were communist devout communist like until it came to buying property Black lives matter money. Yeah, what's happening with that well then they're then they're very much capitalistic They're not in trouble. I don't understand that like they spent millions of dollars of that money on real estate. 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Required four additional terms and responsible gaming resources cdkng dot co slash audio limited time offer What's going on? No idea. I have no idea. Why? Well, I don't know why the heads of many of these organizations aren't being rounded up and summarily arrested I mean if we're watching these I've been covering the riots nonstop I'm sorry protest that the completely organic protest which are totally organic Yeah And it's been interesting to watch I was watching one the other day We were live and it was don lemon And he had showed up in Minnesota and the first thing don lemon does right I hate don lemon by the way, but the first thing he does the dumbest my fucker is that it has ever gotten on television He's terrible first thing he does he gets he drives up in this car He's in the back seat and he jumps out of the car and he has this shitty eating lemon smile on his face You know and he runs over with Starbucks To these people and he's like here. He go Yeah, and then he jumps back in the car right and they drive off Now here's here's what's interesting about this he comes back and he's in there with the protesters You know what I mean? And he's interviewing them most of the protesters saying we're coming from out of town We're from this state. I'm from two states away. I'm from three states away You know for this totally organic protest Well the cops what they start doing they have these guardrails on the the sidewalk in front of the ice facility And there's gaps inside of that barrier and so they pull their police cruisers in just to fill those gaps So that they stay behind the barrier and lemons like why would they do that? Why would they why would they keep us compressed? You know behind this barrier and I'm thinking because you just stopped your car in the middle of the street to run across the road and give these guys Starbucks you idiot You know they want to keep the roadway clear so that they can get their people in and out you literally stopped your car in the middle of the road Ran across the street to give these people Starbucks and then got back in your car and you're like why why is it that they're trying to kids Keep us from getting into the road. You know, I'm like what are you talking about? I just could believe I was like what it's amazing when these people that are so smug whether protected by a large organization by CNN and then they get fired and then they get They're basically like like a dog like Carl getting released into the woods and then they have to fend for themselves And you see them in the world of podcasting where you don't have anybody writing things for you And you have to express your own opinions you're like oh This is the real you turns out you're a moron That well, I didn't know whoa you know the whole time match. You think in the whole time You know, I never thought I'd be an entertainer. I didn't think I'd do anything with podcast never never a million years I'd never would have thought that you were a who you were an engineer or robotics mechanic. Yeah a robotics mechanic Yeah, how did you get involved in that? Well, I was a I was a gunsmith for years and There's no real applicable skills Outside of that for anything actually there. It doesn't really carry over in anything It's really its own thing and a bluing things like it just doesn't carry over Um, a friend of mine said hey look because I told him it's like I need a job Um, you know, I'm I'm not making it. What do you think he's like you know, you should apply to be an industrial mechanic And I was like, I don't know much about it. You know, he's like we'll just go apply. So I did took nap to test and so The guy was like well, I want to hire you at a level three. Which was high You know, it was like mid-range wasn't the highest wasn't the lowest And I was like damn okay, you know, what's the pay? He's like was like 30 an hour You know that to me was was life changing So I took the job and I got I didn't know what the hell I was doing But they trained me up well and then um, there were some robots on the floor I started working on those and then from there they trained me in robotics and so uh, it was it was all done on Like what kind of automation like Carried Automation and it was all food related food related and all food robots, you know So we weren't dealing with Johnny five. We were dealing with like vacuum systems and ovens and Various robots which were associated with those like for instance, there was a packaging machine That would just all it would do is form boxes That's it all it did they're just that's it, but it would form you know a thousand boxes a minute And it was it was a giant robot and it had a huge sequence of functions on it You know when people think robot they always think humanoid But almost no robot is is in any way humanoid did or you know They're that's just not what they're for It is weird right? Do we think of robots is like movie robots? We think of i robot Yeah, if you came across a robot in a factory you would have no idea was a robot Maybe you'd be like what the hell is that So how did you go from that to debating people online uh, covid So the yeah the lockdowns happened and i was laid off the all the food plants and Michigan were shut down Especially the meat plants and that's where i was i was in the meat plants And uh and they all shut down Be because of the draconian restrictions of one gretchen Whitmer And uh anyway while she was out with it, you know on a boat partying with uh You know with her honey we were all Uh locked out of work right So we had the state home orders and i would argue with these dumb liberals on facebook and uh and they've been Man they pissed me off and so i started crashing their panels and i would debate with them and You know i had a lot to say and those things started to become more and more popular And they would move over to youtube people would clip it Then i started getting invited on to do debates with other people And i didn't know who these people were it wasn't my world Like i didn't know who any of these podcasters were you know stuff like that i'd listen to it maybe occasionally Online but like i i couldn't have told you who like wash was or destiny or any of these people like i didn't know who any of them were Um and i didn't care to me it was just some other dumb smug liberal, you know, so Um that's where i got my start I never would have foreseen at all that i'd be sitting here with you That's so end one i never would have foreseen i would have been here either It's weird on yeah, it's weird very weird and i'll never get used to it And you get people walk over and they're like you're Andrew Wilson and I'm fucking nobody you know what i mean but it's nice to meet you, you know shake their hand you have a chat with them Uh, i'll never get used to it No, you probably shouldn't it's probably better to not get i'm not used to it. Yeah, yeah It's probably better to not be used to it Keep you sane and maybe keep you humble Yeah, you need something you need something to keep you humble We all know people that did not have something that kept them humble and they lost their their way the wheels fall off Yeah, those are marbles. Yeah, yeah, yeah, especially as you get more and more famous It becomes more and more unmanageable I was i feel like a pretty well grounded Due to the fact that um, i didn't come from a political background There's no famous people in my family, you know, there's just none of that And so i feel like the the grounding's always there because uh, you know even even from the family get the call like From from my brother for instance like he's been calling me the i don't know if you say the epsilon here so i won't but he's been Yeah, faggot he's been you know he's been like the the phone call since i was 15 what are you doing faggot has not changed Good it has not changed you know it's a 42 is a happy birthday faggot That's normal. Yeah, I remember you were having a conversation I think it was on pierce morgan who was the the best cat wrangler in the business That's what he does he cat wrangles. Yeah, I just talked to him briefly. Is he okay on it? Well, that's what I asked him Yeah, I sent him a DM and i was like he's a no he fell yeah, he fell and really fucked and it was the hip yeah And his age the hip You know you don't want to you nothing with the hip every time I see anybody who's 60s Mm-hmm they get the hip injury It's it's bad. Yeah, it's not good. I think they think your lifespan at post hip surgery is like 10 years Yeah, it's right and that he'll probably be better than that he will and I think he's mobile Yeah, that's good. He's mobile but I really good at hip replacements now. I was like what's you know are you are you doing he's like Yeah, you know, I'm doing okay and and I was like don't fuck around with the hips dude. It's crazy that he had to have a hip replacement I'm like how bad was that fall? Uh, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the details of it were but I felt like a suck of spud You know wound up needing a new hip after fracturing the neck of his femur and his recovering from surgery in addition to be on Crutches for six weeks. He won't be allowed to take any long haul flights for at least 12 weeks He tripped on a small step inside of a lust a London restaurant. Wow. I think he's drunk He could have been a little fired up a little drunk Well, it's also, you know, not the most fit or agile guy in the world true, you know Yeah, he's only two years older than me. No way. Yeah, really? Not crazy. Yeah damn. Yeah, so people Yeah, take care of themselves. Yeah, he got he got the crack. Yeah, I got to quit these But yeah, he got the crack on the on the hip and I was like man Do you think that American spirits are better than marboros for you? Probably yeah, but they taste like shit. Do they? Is there a difference? Yeah, really like the marbo taste I do you get used to American spirits. I think I could Um, I've been trying the sigarellos Those are helpful like the little mini cigarettes cigars. Oh, yeah, Ron white used to smoke those Yeah, he just quit totally he went to a hypnotist quit instantaneously But those are loaded with nicotine like way more nicotine than a cigarette he was smoking those Yeah, good little tins. We have those. What are those tins Jamie? Do you know what they're It's like a so like a famous cigar company sells tens of these little tiny cigars And it's great if you don't have the time to smoke this like you get out of a flight Just want to have a smoke but he enails these motherfuckers like a cigarette. That's brutal dude That'll do you and and then it washes it down with whiskey. Well, he doesn't drink anymore. No, he quit drinking Yeah, I think he went that was always in his bit though. He was always up there smoking and drinking I always thought I love that That was well, he did it. He did it till the wheels fell off and then um the drinking was the big one You know, he went to a doctor and the doctor is like you're gonna die. Yeah, like your liver is not in good shape Like if you back off now, you're probably live if you don't you're not you got like a few years left on alcoholics too They have it. I don't know if he was one or not. He might have just been like a heavy social drinker But like real alcoholics that's no way to live. No, I mean They stink I mean kind of everything about a real alcoholic. It's just they look completely unwell They're just kind of mangled, you know Yeah, it's a weird disease too In that bad addiction is one that you can't quit You can't just cold turkey. Yeah, you'll die. Yeah, it's only a couple of things that'll just kill you if you quit right away And alcohol is one of them which is really crazy because it gets integrated into your biological system where you need it to stay alive Your body's like okay, we're gonna use this for fuel. Gonna use this to function Yeah, they've been weaning people off alcohol with beer for centuries. Is that what they use beer man? They used beer They would just go okay, well it was pretty common to drink beer and ale with dinner, right? They just weaning off with beer That makes sense. They knew they knew the hundreds of years ago Books on and how alcohol, you know, what are they consumption or whatever they called it They killed you if you just if you just quit if you were an alcoholic and so they weaning off with beer Wonder when they started making hard liquor because you would imagine like fermented things like wine and beer Well, like the first things of people consume I think it's been around for thousands you come in several thousand years I wonder I wonder like how they figured it out the biggest the biggest What was the biggest distributor in Europe of wine was the Catholic church? Well wine has certainly been around forever But like what about hard liquor do you mean put that into our sponsor perplexity? What was the first? What known? I mean we don't really know because there's so much weird shit about history but like what was the first in like Documented hard liquor like whiskey vodka. She'll like that That's the that's the stuff that kills you if you die from beer boy you you're fucking You're going hard like Shane Gill also sit here on a podcast and drink 16 Bud lights Um first alcohol drinks were fermented things like beer wine mead okay thousands years before true liquor okay First like recognizable liquor appears when people begin to distill Archaeological evidence throws fermented drinks okay, that's around 7,000 BCE So clear evidence of true alcohol distillation Chinese rice beer distill distillates By about 800 BCE. Yeah, so a couple thousand years a couple thousand years. Yeah Yeah Okay Winded the strong spirits the Arab alchemists Al cool. Oh interesting using the term al cool the root of alcohol Only used they used alcohol's base for For alchemy too. That was a base for trying to transmute metal. Yeah One of their ever successful never never successful nothing It seems like a crazy thing to waste so much time on trying to let in the gold. I mean There was whole kingdom spent trying to figure out how to do this And it's just like and they never I mean you think about it makes sense right if you're the first one If you're the one who knows Like you can just create as much wealth for yourself as you want. Oh, yeah, and uh, it's just amazing They kept trying Must have been someone saying that they got it. I got it dude. Just give me some others tons of frauds Yeah, there's tons of frauds who are alchemists who you know, they were that That centuries version of a snake oil salesman. Yeah, of course we can we can turn and there There was ones even in the 90s. We're like we can now turn you know base metals into gold I think there's something now Where they can make some gold But I think it takes an incredible amount of energy and cost more to make than it's worth right. I think it's one of them deals Is that a fact? I feel like I've read something like that fairly recently But it's here's a weird one Why gold or why does anybody give a fuck about this metal that you can't even use? How much of it right that's true. These are the way they say it is 90% of all the gold ever discovered still on circulation right yeah Well China just found a huge vein of gold An enormous amount, but I mean when you say enormous, it's like relative Yeah, because I think the entire world supply of gold with fit inside of a football field Yeah, there's not much of it. Yeah, it's very I mean in very little of it is worth a lot I mean even if you think a private treasure chest, you know, it's not actually that much gold right So it's yeah, it's a box of gold. It's a cost-free and valuable And also you can do things whether you can't do with other metals. It's same thing with silver, you know silver Scientists mimicking the big bang accidentally turned lead into gold Yeah, so this is the thing, but I mean again, I think mimicking the big bang like what are they using a particle collider like what are they doing? Okay, how they do it? How to steal a proton protons found the nucleus of an atom So extremely small amounts in fact total of some 29 trillions of a gram they made Okay, smashing lead atoms into each other extreme so it is a particle collider I guess The working on the Alice experiment and the large Hadron collider. Yeah, there it is and Switzerland Incidentally produced small amounts of gold. He's just need a he's just needed a particle That's all no big deal He just building into a whole mountain and now they're building a second one. They said yeah building into a new mountain right Well, there was one they were put in during the Clinton administration They were building a particle collider somewhere in the middle of America Trying to figure out where it was. I'm certain there's already more than one. Oh, there's many particle colliders But I'm certain there's ones that are That are even probably larger and hidden than the one that's currently there yet really think so yeah. Oh for sure What do you think they're doing with them? Well, I mean the military applications for that are Like they're enormous. I think the idea that You could make like some kind of particle weapon, you know or something like this. Oh right right Yeah, there's no way that the that the US military is gonna let scientists have a gadget like that somewhere that they don't have complete control over There's no way I wonder because I don't know what kind of military applications you would have For particle colliders I mean for sure big explosions right this problem. Yeah, but you're just You've got a giant loop in your slaying and smashing things. Yeah, right. Yeah, so what I mean What do you do? You smash things together? You can make them go boomy boom right kind of well the real concern with the large Hadron colliders that were gonna create many black holes They're gonna eat their way through the earth that you wouldn't be able to stop them They were just like slide through the earth. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I heard that I heard there was concern They're gonna open up a portal to a different dimension and I've heard like I did Yeah, I've heard all sorts of things. Yeah, we changed your timeline We're on the new timeline, you know the the the whole nine yards I've heard it all I'm just saying that anything it's just been my experience Look when I look through the historic record that if there's any scientific gadget out there That looks like it has the potential to make something go boom the United States military has a version of it somewhere Yeah, that makes sense that makes sense but for whatever reason the abandoned this one During the Clinton administration. I don't remember Why they abandoned it but you could people can if they have access to the area where it's at can still go inside of it And see like what they started to build but they never did but it would have been larger than large Hadron collider Yeah, I want to say it's in Georgia I don't remember though, but it's a it was gonna be an enormous particle collider. Yeah, and for some reason they just stop funding to this thing But well they're talking about funding another another one that's twice the size of the one that they have now They say that they need more room to smash more particles together. Well, they try to do I have no idea I like that is way outside of of my domain um, I can tell you I probably the same things you've heard right is uh They're trying to smash small particles together to see what happens That's what the kind of the official story is but it's funny because every time a new story comes out It's like so I had to smash this together with this and this happens and I'm always like okay Well, what does that mean and you never get any of that right right this one was in Texas. Oh is in Texas. Yeah, the Clinton Okay, that's it. Yeah, yeah Yeah, see if you can find some images of it. Yeah, it's outside of Dallas. Oh, it is outside of Dallas. Okay Abandoned superconducting super collider site in 2008 wow, I don't know if you can buy it. Let me fucking awesome Get it Particle collider. I mean there's nothing there. It's just concrete. Yeah, let me just finish it What's a big deal like that weird time machine out of desert that was really fun Let me set up an archery range inside of it from this stuff last week Department of War confirms plans to scale direct energy weapons. Yeah, did you see that thing? Why would they need a hydro collider though, right or you know particle collider? Well because they want to make stuff go boom Yeah, direct energy weapons Yes, Department of War has direct energy weapons. Yes, we're scaling them. Wow It's a fierce youth there is one wild over this. Oh course. Oh, yeah Well, that was a lot of people the really cool out rifle though. I do I want my plasma rifle right I do Like they have plasma rifles you can buy one right. Oh, yeah, for sure. You probably get a tax stamp You'd probably be like a lengthy thing to get sure Um, I'm glad you're a gun guy because I want I wanted to bring up this whole thing with this guy Pretty yeah, and I haven't talked about we haven't done a podcast since so like I got killed but that whole thing There's a lot of people that don't understand what's going on and Why riots only in Minneapolis and why riots in the place where there's an ungodly amount of fraud that has been discovered Coincidentally right around the same time exactly like Instantaneously afterwards the narrative completely changes everybody forgets about the fraud now all anybody cares about is ice and fascists and Nazis yeah and It's uh, there's a you know what a color revolution is of course and for people that don't it's it's a coordinated effort to Cause chaos and this is a very coordinated thing the idea that this is an organic Protests this is these are these riots organic is nonsense It's provably nonsense because now they have access to the signal chats So they know that these so these people can hit me by the way. Yes, he's been on the front lines of this um The crucible has been a big supporter of that effort of my channel Um, I will often snipe his coverage while it's going on send my audience over to send in super chats in order to Keep this guy going. I think that that work is critical. Yes. It's critical And there's not that many people doing it anymore because of how dangerous it has become yes And so I'm a big supporter of that doesn't mean I agree with everything he says politically But what he's doing on the ground there needs to happen right we need you need to understand that this is an organic Regardless of how you feel. I don't feel that that guy should have been shot But I understand what happened and what happened was chaos so What happened first of all it wasn't ice people need to understand that It was a customs border patrol people so they were brought into assist ice And they're telling this lady to stand away and then this cop gets very aggressive and shoves her Um, you have to understand the situation that they're in right and this is not making excuse for any of it But you have to just just to put it into context these people are getting harassed outside of any hotel They're at people blow horns. They try to smash into the hotel. They dox him. They dox him That's why they're wearing masks. It's a coordinated effort I'm not saying that guy should shove that guy. I don't think he should have or that woman I don't think he should have and then pepper sprayed and then the guy who got shot pretty he steps in Which is if you know anything about concealed carry if you are a concealed carry holder and you are carrying not just a pistol But two full magazines as well you do not ever Physically engage with someone you also are supposed to carry your license on you and you're supposed to you're supposed to have idea on you All right, you and you're trained specifically for this by the way. I was a cpl instructor for years Okay, and the thing is there's a framework here if you don't mind if I add your framework The framework here is this is a mathematical formula So I've been following these extremely closely live um and looking at at how this is done Let's go backwards in time you remember what was going on in California Nobody died in California There was an ice raid on a home depot and they went nuts and they started smashing police cars They were starting fires right there This was not over somebody dying And now the narrative they're trying to make the narrative shift the Gestapo's in here, you know murdering American citizens Well, and what what was going on in California then because there was no American citizens getting murdered there What was going on there was they did an ice raid on a home depot which anybody who's been to California knows That you know, there's it used to be that you drive down the street and they would all hang out in front of the home depot And you'd say too right and they'd hop in the truck and you would you know they would go yeah, they were day laborers, right So it didn't surprise me that they were there doing daily raids. Okay, that doesn't surprise me a bit Uh, and they they all went ballistic Now here's what was very curious about the coverage of that and I had to debate with a couple of leftists on this What I saw was what looked to me to be a police stand-down order There was people who were breaking into I don't remember if it was an amco or a 7-11 But they were busting into it and the cops were were on the side corner watching this go down and do anything They didn't do anything about it, right? Okay, they if they got too routy they cleared out and then they let them continue It looked like a stand-down order like you don't you don't involve yourself Well, what I think these guys have figured out is a mathematical formula and it works like this Though if the local police are not going to protect the federal buildings Then it's left to the federal police to do this right in this case Isis going to protect zone buildings the FBI is going to protect its own buildings if the local police aren't going to protect it And it's surrounded then who who does the protection then and this is why Trump He unleashes the national guard But where to those federal buildings to protect those federal buildings that was the whole point of it That's way and basically anytime he's unleashed national guard that I've seen It's two federal buildings to protect them and so The mathematical formula works like this the longer it is that protesters are engaging with federal officers Whose job is not to do basic street cleanup of thugs? That's the local PD's job The chances that there's an incident which is going to be a bad incident is going to occur so basically the longer you're there The the more attrition there is the more engagements you have with with these federal officers over time Eventually, yes, there's going to be Something which is out of pocket that happens or something which is escalatory that happens and they're banking on that And that's why ice is out in front of these or not ice the antifa people are still out in front of the ice buildings in front of many states Night after night after night and it's designed specifically to make sure it's just a math formula right the longer we're here And the less the local PD involves itself the more chance of incident between federal officers and us you're knocking stealing us flint Yeah, yeah, you're waiting for the fire you waiting for sparks and In this particular instance this guy clearly had been very involved I don't know if he was a part of the signal chats, but when you go to what's supposed to be a peaceful protest and you're fully armed like that With two magazines. It's kind of crazy, right? Like what do you why do you need so many bullets now that lives are also pro second amendment to That is why Which I'm for he had every right I tell of he didn't last month, but okay, I like it I like where it's going. I like that because that's kind of a trap um Did you see what MSNBC did do his image yeah, they were there where they got she did up the opposite of what CNN did to me You know CNN during the covid times turn me green And they made me ugly and look like I was dying and they made him handsome. Yeah, so people would be more sympathetic to him getting shot Which is kind of wild like are ugly people less valuable to MSNBC less marketable that is crazy to me like look at the difference Yeah, look at the difference. They shortened up his face. They gave him a little bit of a tan They widened his face at little bit. It seems like they just made him a little handsomer Yeah, they gave him gave him a bit of that chat job didn't they they shrunk his nose a little too didn't they did they did they shrunk his nose yeah, gave him a little bit of handsome jaw so he looks like And even made him if you look at the shoulders it even looks like they they may have plumped up the shoulders there a bit Little bit. Yeah, the one on the right looks like looks like he's a little plumper. Yeah Yeah, they they changed the tone of the color wild I mean they look at they they changed his fucking teeth man communist news they gave him vineyards. Yeah, look at the difference in his teeth He's a much more handsome guy like that one on the right is like the handsome brother and the one on the left is like Fuck yeah, why couldn't I look on the right? Yeah, the one on the right he they were twins and he took more of the protein Right that was what that was what happened the thing is is like this doesn't surprise me by the way this is What's going on and it this is a well orchestrated well crafted thing yeah, and the signal chats prove that but we knew it anyway Yes, just by the government by the way allegedly at least involving Minnesota state government on involves walls Yes, so that's not a legit right you know, it's not a legit that involves walls It's not an alleged that it involves fray right and it's not a legit well What is a leg is the allegations of fraud of course, but But there would be a reason why you would want to distract from all that fraud sure and that would motivate you to do something along these lines So let's go back to the the instance so um You've got these cops that are on these CBP guys that are on Hilar right there's a lot of tension people are screaming if you're in an environment like that all day Like I've never been a police officer, but I was a security guard And when I was I was a security guard for great woods and by the way I'm not comparing this in any way, but I'm just explaining my mentality when I was there it was Very much us versus them. It was a small group of guys that were uh Working at I worked at great wood center for the performing arts in Mansfield, Massachusetts It's a concert venue in Mansfield and this was when I was fighting So it was me and a bunch of guys from my type 1.0 team got hired to be security guards One of the guys came and said hey you guys want to get a job working as a security guard It's great you get to see concerts and it was like a good pay and you know I was doing a bunch of random jobs back then while I was competing just to sort of pay bills And I said yeah, okay, what have to do and like there's nothing you just go there and you weren't first day on the job I go there some guy had stolen one of the security golf carts So there's this dude named Ali cat. He was the head guy of security. He was fucking character. Hilarious his main dream was to open up a bar Live base alley cats libations and victuels. He had this whole dream of like just a real character But this guy was a hardcore motherfucker and they caught the guy who stole this golf cart tackled him to the ground and he was beating him in the face with a walkie-talkie This is my first day on the job so I'm like Okay, so this is what we're doing and we kind of became like almost like cops for this place But there was very much in us versus them mentality and It turns out it was a lot more involved than I ever thought it was and then one day I was at a Neil Young concert. I was working the Neil Young concert and riots broke out. There was fire. It was cold out And there was like a grassy area So there was like a lawn. It's like there's the inside not inside It was like an outdoor concert venue But there was a roof to part of it and then the back of it was like this lawn area that was in the back And these guys it started bonfires up there and we were supposed to go in there and break up the bonfires And then my friend Larry who is like one of the most mild-mannered guys you'd ever want to meet but You know a elite black belt He gets in a fight with this guy and some guy pushes him and he knocks this guy down and I'm like Okay, chaos is broken out. Let's get the fuck I'm like let's quit. Let's get the fuck out of here And I used to wear a hoodie. I used to carry a hoodie so I could just zip up the hoodie over my security outfit and like Bye Because I knew there was gonna come a time where I was like not getting shot stabbed killed whatever stalled it is For 20 bucks an hour whatever the fuck was that so I wound up leaving that day, but You there was a very and I it was I remember very clearly like oh this is probably what happens with cops times a million Like you develop this us versus them because it was very much us We would meet up at the beginning of our shift. We would all talk about what's going down We're mostly we're catching people that were bringing an alcohol like women in their purses was you know you know like some Carly Simon or something to be playing they'd sneak in a bottle of wine that you know At James Taylor, you know, there was a lot of that and so we'd we'd have like literal Fucking trash cans filled with bottles of wine and liquor the other night. We would get to keep them We take them home and so this us versus them that's nice perk it was confund. Yeah, that's a nice perk Yeah, he's like yeah, I was illegal to drink. I was only 19 at the time But any even nicer perk It was very clearly us versus them and the tensions were very high Like whenever some weird shit went down everybody popped up their chest and everybody was ready to throw down And I was like this job is not good, but it educated me. I was like okay And in my mind I was like okay, this must be like this when your police officer again times a million That the think of what's going on? They have their codes, right? They have the they have their oaths they take and then they have their little codes to each other too Exactly, but I wouldn't I don't blame them like it seems completely there's a certain wisdom to this Like hey look that could be me a hundred and so if it's you I'm gonna be right there with you a hundred percent and then if it's me You're gonna be right there with me. I get it also There's a tremendous amount of social media content that anybody could access at any given time where a lot of these dorks are calling for violence You know, it's just it's all over the place you could find it the least likely people that would ever be involved in any sort of an altercation Are on tic-toc calling for violence? We got to kill these mother fuckers We got to shoot these mother fuckers and these guys are out there in the middle of that all right So tensions are high as fuck and they're getting screamed out all the time. They're on red alert They're wearing vests. They're carrying on their wives are getting called and threatened and They're saying they're gonna rape their kids and they're saying that they're gonna brutalize their family members And they give them calls in the middle of the night and they whisper to them Well, how's your dad such and such doing you know and just cryptic things like that and let it go Uh-huh exactly and this is very coordinated It's very coordinated and organized and the way they find out all their information It's very creepy. So Again, I don't think this guy should have pushed that lady I mean the way he did it was very violent. She was a small woman and he shoved her very violently to the ground Then this other guy pretty gets in between them Okay, which again if you are a concealed carry holder is a giant no-no You do not fucking do that you do not engage with law enforcement when you're armed you should engage with anyone ever ever I mean you should be avoiding you should be trained to avoid conflict. Yes, that's the whole thing is like If you're if you're armed you move into that next level of you need to really be avoiding conflict You're not supposed to be in bars drinking exactly. You're not supposed to be You know at big parties and things like this where violent things can occur You know you can take it to church defend the church Out of that yeah, like you're supposed to be avoiding conflict exactly So uh he gets in between the officer and this woman puts his hands on the officer And then he gets pepper sprayed They go to the ground There's a lot of scrambling going on now you have to understand what happens when you get pepper sprayed okay I've never been pepper sprayed by did you get tear gas once during fear factor We did a fear factor stunt where these people had to I forget what they had to do But we we had built this there was like a structure and they were inside the structure and they released tear gas and it's charged I got hit with it. It's pretty brutal, but it's painful. Yeah, it sucks And he can't breathe you can't breathe your eyes swell up you know starts running like crazy. Yeah And that's just stays on your clothes you don't think well when that happens So this this guy's clearly not thinking well and he can't see and he's you know and then they're on him right So they're on him and then One guy Whether he yells out he's got a gun or grabs the gun first. I'm not sure but There he has a gun so they see his gun and the middle of scramble the guy pulls his gun out and moves off Now this is where it gets this is where it gets weird I believe the gun was a sig p3 3 2 0 a Sig p3 20 is known for having accidental discharges it is a it has a reputation for it It has a very specific type of striker. It doesn't have a Safety the way some other guns do and you can have negligent discharges with six now is the the p3 20 is at a hammered model Yes, okay, so it's not a striker fire no wait a minute no no it is a striker fire It's let's let's let's pull let's pull it up because I'm not I know that 365 is built very differently the the 320 breaks cleaner But I thought the three 20 hammer was double action and single action and then I You might be right. I didn't think it was a striker fire most of the p models are not striker fires that I'm aware of I could be wrong. Well the 365 the p365 is definitely different than the 320 Yeah, they have a different striking mechanisms. They're known for accidental discharges. Okay Um, I can't tell if that's a hammer underneath the slide Well, let's um just Just what is this what is the trigger mechanism of a sig p3 20 put that in there And what is it that makes it prone to accidental discharge? If you look up sig p3 20 online and any search engine Accidental discharge comes up very quickly. I did striker fire. Yeah, okay, so it's a modular striker fire trigger mechanism Uh, when press trigger bar moves forward disengage the safety lever and see you're releasing the striker Okay, so it's a striker fire pistols. Okay got it so As of 2017 sig changed the way they make their guns because the trigger itself Was heavier than what it is now and not just the pull but the actual mechanism of the trigger was heavier if you drop it So if uh, this is the barrel of the gun where the bullet comes out and this is where you're holding on your hand If you drop it, it'll it'll discharge and it'll discharge without wrote without moving the slide Which is kind of crazy because what happens is something in the dropping it On the back where the handle is releases the disc connector probably it causes that heavier trigger the heavier weight to the trigger to drop down and it will discharge Okay, as of 2017 they made the trigger lighter and it doesn't do that anymore And there's a whole youtube video where this guy explains it and shows that you can do it with the older models If you drop them if you drop them on their side, they don't do it if you drop them barrel first They don't do it But if you drop them handle first and it hits the the back where you hold it where the you know the the the what is it called the beaver tailed The gun sits the internal hammer fought drops and bang exactly And it's one of the only guns that does that yeah and so much so that I believe you should search this I believe the Dallas police department stopped Ishing them to their officers see if that's true Before I go further because I don't want to get in any Legal weeds here, but I have one I have us 320. I've never had a problem with it. I Here it is Dallas police suspends use of pistol manufacturer Okay, yeah, and it's because of that So um one of these chambered in 940 it's nine nine they're nine, but the um So that's the gun this guy has so When this CBP officer grabs his gun He was moving off and it appears it's very grainy the video. It appears there's an accidental discharge Now you can make an accidental discharge of this gun without touching the trigger if there's any kind of pressure on the trigger If it is a modified trigger of there's anything that engage with it isn't even a slight amount and you move the slide At all that gun will go off and there's videos of it online you could find videos of online See if you can find videos of it online where a guy shows how you can get that gun to negligent discharge Because it will it will at least the priest 2017 model Um, I didn't see his hand go on the slide of the gun though. Yeah, well he's holding it You know, it's the hard thing is it's fucking great. Yeah, you can't see I looked at it from both angles But it looked to me like he was holding it um by the handle with no finger on the trigger. Yeah, but it does seem Like at least in some of the takes that I've seen I may be wrong But it seems like that gun might have negligent discharged Now usually when someone's holding a gun and there's a negligent discharge is because they they pulled the trigger right right Say in this case let's I mean I'm gonna assume it for a second So the gun drops on the side strike or fired. Let's say it's I don't know what the mechanism is We'll say the disconnector that makes a disconnector go the hammer drops bam hits the primer gun fires Don't get that hits the ground These guys think they hear gun these guys think this guy might have a gun in the scramble They don't know this is all say open fire high pressure. They open fire on him. That's what I believe happened You know, so when people say oh they straight up executed this guy Thank you better. There's a little more nuance there's more nuance to it. There's chaos There's the fog of chaos you're in the middle of this like very High-stress situation where you've already pepper sprayed this guy now. You're in a physical scramble Someone says he has a gun gun goes off. Bye. Bye. You're just shooting. Mm-hmm. I'm assuming This is just a lot of you know a lot of guess that's a lot of bad stuff that has to happen in sequence. Yes Like the fact even if this gun is recalled is a model That had these issues right? I'm guessing that it wasn't every every one of them that had the issues some of them right probably not all Um and if it's because it has to have a lot of force for it to go off or the slide has to be You know, you have to be moving the slide or something like this What I saw was him holding the pistol right how you or I would hold the pistol with the finger off the trigger I did not actually see like what would have caused that force. This is where it gets weird. So There have been documented instance like the the the the sig p320 There's a lot of legal stuff involved in this. There's there's tons of cases some of them are bullshit Like there was one cop where they said the cop got shot because the gun accidentally went off and everybody's like Oh man, six in trouble turns out that cop had a recant that and he accidentally hit the trigger and shot a cop But he he wanted so this is one so this guy his gun just goes off Now he doesn't have his finger on the trigger. It just goes off now There's another one where a cop is in the middle of a precinct and he leans forward He's got the holster on the outside. He leans forward and the gun goes off He does not have his hand on the trigger. He's not touching the gun at all See if you can find the one where the cop does it So there's a cop where he's in the precinct his gun is now here's the question Was there something touching the trigger was it the holster bad? Was there was there debris in it? Was there something was there was his shirt touching it? Did he jam the gun in the holster and maybe like his shirt got stuck in it touched the trigger a little bit The second gun theory and then he moves forward if the guy had a second gun. There's also the second gun theory so I I understand what you're saying and maybe it met all of the conditions for that It does seem unlikely to me, but it's possible That he's just holding it and it just happens to go off it would seem unlikely with any other gun So the guy had a clock, but both of these cases are from the holster this guy's driving from the holster He's grabbed from the holster well the cop had already pulled it out of the holster And now he's holding it and then it goes off right, but it's it's so low resolution It's hard to see what's going on with the chance so if there had been Some funkiness with the trigger You know who knows where he got the gun who knows whether or not that gun had an aftermarket trigger Who knows what's going on? But as he's doing this you're in the middle of the chaos you ramped up with adrenaline Who knows of that guy accidentally while he was holding it put pressure on the slide And caused that gun to negligent discharge. I don't know This is the speculation and the reason why the speculation is so It's it's it's this is something we're talking about is because it's a sig p320 And there's so many stories about that. It's not outside the Roman possibility in other words Right, which is the worst case scenario right you got all this chaos and then you got that fucking gun And that kind goes well, let me ask you this Let's say we we adjust for this There's an investigation Turns out that this 320 model was one of the ones that you know was an older model Yeah, or something like this or it was issue after the fact and it's brand. It's newer Let's just say it's but it's newer and they've gotten this design flaw out of there. Let's just just assume for a second All those things being equal now, right When the left is points at that and says that's an execution What what's your opinion then if it if it's the case there is no There is no negligent discharge there is none of that What like how would you view it then well to extremely unfortunate case Of what happens during chaos yeah, I don't think it's an execution I don't think they pulled the gun from them and then just shot that's rhetoric being used right it is But you know which you you're automatically going to have if you have a guy get shot um Do we can we watch a video let's watch a video and if see if we can discern When the shot fires off because it does it before or after they say he's got a gun Because someone says he has a gun one of the officers removes the gun and then a shot goes off Yeah, now there's another speculation that the guy who shot him had a negligent discharge He didn't like maybe had his hand on the trigger and he got a little amped up and it went off and then he just fucking Fired into him kept going that's possible too I Not exactly sure it's there's a ton of angles ton of different cell phone angles none of them are really crystal clear And the thing that's interesting about this is I'm even willing to kind of grant it to the left Just on appearance. It'll alone for a second just for the sake of uh of like logically taking this to its conclusions Let's say that the cops were totally wrong on this they get they messed the whole thing up They screwed it up They it was a negligent just charged from the officer himself It killed this guy it was totally unjustified Okay, but now what Right is it is it the case that we're gonna what stop deporting illegal immigrants? We're gonna stop uh, you know that ice is gonna stop border patrols gonna stop doing his job ice is gonna stop doing his job Because of a single incident even if all of the officers involved were incorrect Of course not that's ridiculous, right? The thing about this incident is it's being used as a catalyst to now say they're the they're the Gestapo Just like they were trying to do with Renee they're the Gestapo. They're here to to uh, you know Be the jackbooted thugs of the Trump administration That's being used now as the new rallying cry and catalyst for the in its post-hawk justification That's what makes me so angry about is it's like no, no, no, you're out here doing all of this long before Anybody was getting shot by ice, okay? You're doing this long before there was any supposed abuses by ice It seems like they're the what they do is they set up the reactions, right? They set up the conditions Maximize the conditions for horrible actions to happen and then when they do they use those as the justification For why they were ever out there in the first place and it's like what's going on here? That's that's what bothers me Right, this is the quintessential description of the color revolution I mean that they're they're trying to create chaos and Is again is very well funded and very well organized It's not as simple as this is an organic protest that people are fired up because ice is in their community That's not really what's going on at all But I think there's a lot of good people that are wrapped up in that that think they're doing a good thing And they really do think they're fighting fascism because they exist in these bubbles and they're they're I believe them Yeah, I do believe them that they think that they're fighting against fascism and I've I've debated with enough of these people on That what historically fascism is in comparison to what they perceive it as That I do think that they believe that 100% right it's I just think it's an unjustified belief and I think it's It's ridiculous. It's not accurate. It's not accurate You know one of the things that we went over the other day um is we talked about the deportations Right and that there's been somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 million deportations But 1.6 of them were like self deportations 1.6 of them or like people were notified and they said not we're just get the fuck out of here I don't want to be in jail. Yeah good and then a half a million of them were and then but people are saying Very few of them would have been violent criminals But we found out there was like 8% That this is just 8% of what we know has been caught that is a lot of violent criminals If you go to half a million people and 8% of them are murderers and rapists and they snuck in Do it not even snuck in because they were allowed access to the United States over the last four years Somewhere to the tune of let's be like super charitable. Let's say it's only 10 million because I think it's a lot more and they don't A lot more yeah, they don't really know the number because it's really the numbers that they're giving you're based on interactions Right, but how many people snuck through and they didn't have an interaction with them It's a lot man It's a lot of people and they did this shit on purpose and they did this shit because they want more congressional seats because the census doesn't count Citizens it doesn't count legal citizens. It just counts human beings So the more citizens you have in an area the more congressional seats you have and then there's places like California That make it illegal to show your ID You're not allowed not all your units which you should have to show your fucking ID when you vote. Yes, right? So we know that you're legally voting They made it so you can't show your ID, which is the only the only you could Steel man this to the end of time the only reason why you do that's because you want to see of course Well, it's not just that, but you make you make a good compelling point here The idea Even if it was the case. Let's just say Almost none of them are violent criminals. Let's just give it to them Just kind of for the sake of argument here. We'll give it to them So what the people don't want them here That's it You're these are supposed to be the biggest believers in democracy and republicanism ever That's what they're fighting against is the evil fascists. It's like well here the people spoke, okay? I'm gonna say the people said We don't want illegal immigrants here. We want them out of here It doesn't matter what the conditionals are for violent criminality or not violent criminality The if you're really a big believer in the republic like you claim Why is it that when Trump gets elected to do exactly this job you impede it at every turn? Yeah, they don't want it to happen because it was a part of the strategy for You a uniparty. I mean this is Elon came on and was you know Was very passionate about wanting to explain this to people I mean, it's one of the reasons why he did it before the election like you have to understand the plan that's in place And what they're doing is they're trying to make it so that no one by the democrats can ever win ever again And one of the best ways to do that is to ship Untold numbers of people to swing states. Yeah, which is what they're doing. It's what they did They didn't just do it. They flew them out there. They gave them ebt cards They put them on social security. We had this woman We documented we talked about this woman who worked for Gotta forget which department but her job was to turn these people from illegal immigrants into what she described They described to her as clients And so you would tell these people are you yes, so her her question was to them Do you have a permanent disability? So do you have headaches? Does your back hurt? I get headaches my back hurts I guess I'm permanently disabled and all you have to do is like you don't have to have like Like clear evidence you have all your fucking discs are fused you can't walk or you have yeah, no You just have to have a fucking back hurt your back hurts. Well, what fucking man who's a laborer Who's 35 years old doesn't have fucking back pain? Yeah, I like y'all do so they come to you They said you have headaches and back pain. Okay, it's an office worker doesn't have back pain Right, exactly. Fucking everybody does you get older you get back pain especially you don't take care of your back And so these guys are are all being roped into the system and then they get money they get social security money They get money from taxpayers and it's essentially forever So if you can get those people to vote they will most certainly vote for the people that are giving them that money Right of course most certainly vote for the people that are moving them into the Roosevelt hotel and New York City Muslims will vote even though at the local level they oppose all leftist policy They'll vote at a national level for leftist because they bring in their family members They bring in they they allow the the importation of people that they want here. So yeah, they're they they utilize the system For for the aims and for democrats. This is all good and of course for Republicans It's all bad and Elon's right. He is right that democrats and here's what I see the birds. I view Right Trump but what they're gonna do democrats gonna win the midterms by hooker by crook. They're gonna win the midterms And when they do if they have the power in the house to do this they're gonna impeach him day one And we'll have now it'll be the thrician peach president right and they'll obstruct him They'll obstruct his agenda the entire step of the way under this elongated impeachment They'll just run out the clock Run it out. It's it's all pretty fucking crazy. It's really crazy. Gad sat has a great Way described this he calls it suicidal empathy and you know a lot of these people that are on the left that are Self-described leftists They're very kind people and they they want You know everyone to have a chance to live in America and be good people and they understand they're being used as pawns By much more cynical people that are just trying to get total control And if you want to know what total control looks like and what kind of restrictions could be imposed on a western society Look no further than the UK Look what's going on in England right now 12,000 people have been arrested so far last year for or in the last year rather for Social media posts just social media posts criticizing immigration There was some new thing that they just passed that makes it so that you're supposed to tell on people Who are talking In pubs Who are having conversations in pubs that you think are are dangerous conversations? It was that woman in the UK Who was s8 and then called the guy named V attacks? Yes She called him a phagot. Yeah, yeah, she called. Yeah, she was sexually assaulted She called him a phagot and then she was arrested. Yeah, she was arrested I was and I remember arguing on Pierce Morgan I was debating with a leftist on this. This was the topic at the time Yeah, and the leftist who looked at me like to he was a phagot too Said He was defending it tooth and nail right? This is a good thing because we want to get rid of stigma The idea is to try to destigmatize the things. He words create stigma and stigma creates harm values and harm values or evil They're bad. That's that's the whole moral system if it if we reduce harm That's moral if we increase harm that's immoral So that that's the zero some way that they look at this right yeah If you're increasing it bad if you're decreasing it good So if we're decreasing stigmatization of an activity that we think is protected Then that's reducing harm. Therefore, that's the moral position Crazy they are crazy. That is actually a crazy way to look at the world. Well, it's very Distopian is it's very spooky that it's happening so quickly and that the UK has Become the the leader in the world for resting people for social media posts No one would have ever saw that coming five six years ago But this is what happens when you get total control of a population You don't and you don't stop where you're at you continue to move forward You continue to try to get more and more control and this is this new thing where they're trying to Get people to turn people in for bar talk Which is just crazy. It's just crazy. So that's where it goes if you're really a liberal a real liberal real progressive person Who really believes in free speech you should believe in all speech and you have to I mean this was the ADL's position way back in the day when they were To allow the Ku Klux Klan to march they would say look then fight for the right to do so Yeah, I mean this is what it used to be It used to be an understanding that as complicated as this thing is You've got to allow people to say horrible things So that you can counter them with better points and you make a better argument and then people see your side and then society moves forward And it generally pops you know and the online dialectic the way that it moves between group and I and I think that now Online influencers podcasters political commentators actually do have political they have some political capital now Which can be spent the same way low-level politicians have political capital which can now be spent They actually are connected oftentimes with politicians right and operate as mouthpieces On behalf of whatever that political arm is well you would say that about the right to wouldn't of course But I don't see it as prevalent as I do With the left the the left for instance there was a whole thing that used to go on on twitch where an organization came in and bought up all the twitch mouthpieces That's what they did and Like this this is this is something which has been going on for a long time But what's interesting with the political capital angle from these leftists They don't care what the means are is it they the ends are what That's all they care about right the the means to get there totally irrelevant to them from their view though That makes a six sort of sense they believe that they're fighting against Nazis Right literal Nazis right So if you believed that you're in a war with literal Nazis what wouldn't you do to complete that war what what means wouldn't you go to What means of sabotage would you not do what cars would you not blow up right what cops would you not eliminate right in order to stop the rise of the new Hitler And it's like and they're they're expending their political capital on that message and that message has a lot of influence on people Yeah it also There's so many people that are getting attention By feeding into the rhetoric There's so many people that are making viral clips of them threatening You know like menacing like these weird dorky liberal guys like these guys that you would think of Passivists are literally calling for violence. I got one of them because it's like the most unlikely guy Like you see this guy doing this like hey buddy like who what what are you saying Who who who's following you into battle. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna say that because it's it's the way he says it to is so like Like he's watched too many fucking TV shows Um this guy what's Because it's it's the terminology that he uses that is it's actually kind of funny if it wasn't so scary Put this on real quick. Sure because it's so He sees guys doey face and his understanding of real violence listen to this when combat starts we all roll initiative I'm gonna say that again and And anyone everyone knows when I'm talking about when I say this when combat starts we all roll initiative I mean I hate to laugh Because it's kind of fucking serious because they're they're exciting violence and they're they're calling for Insurrection they're calling for people to Go take to the streets and start violence, but that guy like what would it like you're not gonna roll initiative Oh, what does it even mean? Well, I mean I think I think it just means we all go Right when violence start we would we all go Is it rolling? Oh No tweets does Dungeons and Dragons in it. I don't even know oh god Does Dungeons and Dragons nerds means business? I think oh? So so we search on that does roll initiative is that a part of Dungeons and Dragons roll that because I only know of gun Dungeons and Dragons from strange So it does it does is AR due to 2d6 damage But it's just the the menacing way that he stares into the camera. Okay, here it is combat rolling for initiative determines The turn order in combat each player and monster rolls a 20-sided die and adds their dexterity But I mean this is what I'm saying. It's like it's a lot of it is cosplay That does sound like he is saying though. We all go there right? Yes. Yeah, that sounds like it's that's what he's saying and it's also It gives meaning to people whose lives do not have a lot of meaning right like all the sudden you're a part of a greater cause You're you're a part of it very important move your stopping Nazis. Yeah, you're stopping Nazis and it's you know relatively safe from the comfort of your own home We'll staring at your phone on on tiktok sure You know and you get all excited about it and you cheer and these are the same people that cheered when Charlie Kirk cut shot For just talking like that was fine, but this one is not good. You know, it's it's it's all like it's very fucked up Well, and they're gonna kill they'll kill more commentators they can get away with it um Happily, I mean part of that whole signal chat That's dangerous that people aren't talking about that's probably the more most dangerous aspect of it It and I can't prove this, but it's been my experience that left wing communities and left wing groups especially online communities and online groups Really pander to the mentally ill in a big way Really pander to them and it's I think that it's a form of weaponization They want to attract the extremely mentally ill into these communities and it helps with actually what is radicalization And they play on the fact that they're mentally ill in order to do this. Well, this is then tiva right like this is this is why it's not just Antifa it goes beyond that sure If you go to some of these tiktokers communities you go to some of the online political pundits communities who are far left Okay, these people who are in there are fruit loops man. Yeah, they are lunatics And they're pander to they're pander to oh, okay, you can't say this to them. That's ableist You can't tell them this you're weirdo because that's mean and not only they pander to but I think that that's the source of the weapon If it's the case that these people don't care about death They don't care like the oh the outcomes going to be death that guy shot at the uh the ice agents not too long ago Remember he was on top of the roof He was shooting across where I think a mouse are rifle and they they dusted him They killed him or he shot himself. I don't remember which where was this this was a few months back I don't know about this one. I don't think no there was a guy he was just a callus of come Yeah, he was taking shots at I believe there's ice agents in front of the ice facility. Oh, that's right Yeah, I believe he's using like a mouse or rifle or something Yeah, okay now I remember yeah, it early on with the Charlie Kirk thing They were actually making these connections because he had used a A mouse or as well right to shoot Charlie Kirk that was the So people were making those early connections wait is this is a sequence of events Does the mouse or mean something here's that particular rifle have special meaning you know how people are online But anyway The interesting thing is like they don't care if they die They're they're dying martyrs. They don't care And it's really easy to weaponize mentally ill people that way because they don't care These are the same people who have the high suicide rates for a reason because are already mentally ill Like the trunes and others which many of them you find are connected to Trans people almost every time also SSRIs. Yep. This is the other problem is that how many of these people are on these psychiatric medications that Violent ideation is a part of the side effects of these suicidal or excuse me these psychiatric drugs There's a lot of people that have Psychotic thoughts when they get on some of these different SSRIs and in different psychiatric medications So you've got people that already fucked up mentally and then you've got them on these medications that cause them to do all kinds of crazy things And aren't women aren't women taking much more in the way of SSRI I pills than men are yeah, and who do we see is that on the bull horns and loudspeakers at most of these events It's women well particularly liberal women particularly liberal women. Yeah, I'm sure you've seen the statistics Very lopsided save them because they're kind of nutty The which what's interesting is the numb like The least mentally ill in terms of numbers is conservative men conservative men. I think it's like normal I think okay young liberal women 56% Report a mental health diagnosis young moderate women 1829 28% young conservative women 27% only slightly less So for men It is 34% of all liberal men 34% so a third of all Liberal men are mentally ill 22% of moderate men and 16% of conservative men Yeah, but do you know what the lunatics argue when you bring that up the these lunatics they'll argue no no no The conservative men are just is mentally ill It's just undiagnosed because there's a stigma and conservative communities about going to get your mental illness diagnosed And I always point out and I think this is an interesting way to point this out like Maybe they're not going to get diagnosed because they don't have a problem. Did you ever think of that? It's possible. It's possible it's undiagnosed because I think that is accurate though that there is a stigma About mental health and therapy and things on those lines in conservative. I mean I if you want to like I agree But I also think that what happens is um when you're when you're talking especially about the voodoo that is psychology And it is it is voodoo. It is very little respect for psychology. Right. I don't even consider it science. I consider That there's scientific methods used for data gathering But I don't consider psychology a science and that's psychology Psychiatry gets even weirder because they start adding medication. Yeah, you know talking about therapy It's all voodoo to as far as I'm concerned I think that men often especially conservative men get as much out of You know their close relationships with friends and family as they would going to a psychologist In other words, just I think just having somebody to talk to who's a close friend who's intricately familiar with your situation Probably gives you more value than going to a complete stranger Who has learned manipulation techniques. That's what they learn essentially is manipulation techniques I think there's more value there And so I think that the stigma which exists there It doesn't exist because it's like you're not manly which is how they try to frame and I think the stigma exists there because so many conservative men know why tried that shit and it was nonsense I tried it and sucked. I tried it and it was worth I went to marriage counseling did nothing Um Sited with the wife right I went for this issue did nothing But when I went out and had some beers with my friends that actually helped relieve some of these some of these issues I think the problem with that is there's a lot of guys who don't have good friends You know and you don't have someone that you can count on unfortunately You know, there's just there's a lot of men out there that are lost I agree, but I think that the conservative men seem to like they have closer longevity with friends than progressive men do Yes, and they don't abandon them when they change their opinions on things right um, so here's the self reported data Um from 2022 survey analysis found the 51% of conservatives report Report excellent mental health compared to 20% of liberals That's a big difference huge it's a giant difference. I don't think stigma could account for that. No, it can't it's like it's not just stigma It's like it's also like what what is what does it mean to be conservative? Does it mean you know taking account for your own actions discipline hard work ethic all those things are actually good for your mental health like like pulling yourself up and getting back to work and doing things. I think I think now And I think maybe it always should have been framed this way. I think now for to for the label of conservative to apply We really kind of start with religious foundationalism. Mm-hmm. That's what is becoming fast becoming the delineation Right, having a framework having the framework right and the religious framework is almost instantly going to put you In that moving towards that conservative camp almost every single time and uh, and I think I think that that's a necessary component now If we're trying to make these political delineations it becomes tough What's a Republican or a neocon versus a conservative versus uh, those versus that It comes down to foundationalism of framework Like you were just saying in the framework of Christianity Christian ethics huge delineation point Between the right and the left who rejects that for harm principles utilitarianism and various other sorts of frameworks. Yeah, and they'll do also point to You know What Christianity has done throughout history and the amount of harm that it's caused But it's kind of like every power structure throughout history you could point to in that way. Well, it was what was there Yeah, there's always like the Catholic Church the Catholic Church gets a lot of shit for this Well, look at all the horrible things that the Catholic Church did and it's like well the Catholic Church was the whole known world once right You know all of Europe was the Catholic Church not so you know like all of it was you can't have organizations which span whole nations and countries um Ethnicities cultures Integrate themselves into it and and not have corruption that I don't care what system it is Pointing to it and saying it's because they were Catholic That's where it becomes absurd right they were corrupt there was corruption But that's not because they're human not because they're Catholic right right um one of the things that I was trying to point out to people They go why do you go to church? Like because when I was younger, I was very cynical about religion and then I've got older as one of the things that I always say is If there was a pill That could make you as nice as the people that I go to church with Everybody would be on it. Yeah, they are the nicest fucking people you will ever encounter when we leave the church They're kind they're kind. Yeah, they're kind kind and nice. They're they're all the above. They're like very friendly happy people But when you leave the church parking lot or even when you're entering They're the They everybody lets everybody in it's like no one rushes ahead It's like you go ahead and then you go ahead. It's like the most self-organized Most charitable way of exiting a parking lot. I've ever experienced in my life the opposite of a concert You go to a great concert everybody's like fucking on everybody's bumper trying to weasel and people are honking Fuck you in church. It's like one person goes and another person goes no you go wave And then everybody's fine and everybody's happy It's like if that was if you could take a pill that could do that to you if therapy could do that to you We should all be on therapy. We should all take that pill philosophy can do that for you because the phenomenon that you're talking about is the me philosophy And so what is your you're going to church? It's not all about you right and that's why you have those types of interactions If people wait, I'm going you go to a concert. That's for you That's for me not for these strangers. I'm going there because I want to be entertained That's for me you go to church. It's not for you right and the thing is is It's the it's the kind of material of materialism view the materialistic view of pure materialism Reduce is always to me me me me because what else can there be right? There's just me and the material I engage with there's nothing outside of that So why engage as though there's something outside of that That doesn't just lead to nihilism But it's the beginning stages of understanding the distinction between religious foundationalism and Basically everything else the reduction doesn't come down to me And that's why those interactions seem so much better because they are because people are thinking about You right. It's like what a concept a national world for people think about somebody besides themselves And they think about they can think about everybody as a part of a community and a collective community that you care about that is value to you And they're you know, there's and they go why does mental health rate so much better in these communities It's like well, isn't it interesting how much they think about other people than just themselves and duties yes People instead of just me me me me me me the kind of people you're ever going to come across yeah, and I think there's a lot of value in that And I think the people that are cynical about that Because they don't want to believe in fairy tales so they don't want to be stupid They don't want to get duped by like like there's a foundation to that if you just look Forget about some of the stuff that's in the Bible that You know, it gets weird when you get old like you go back into the old old old stuff because like For sure human beings had some sort of an influence on what was written down and what wasn't written down But you get just to the teachings of Christ I can't find any faults in it like it's all About being kind. It's all about this this idea that we're all in this together And that you're supposed to lift each other up and look after each other There's no faults in it. It's it's not like you have to kill the non-believers It's not like you get to rape and pillage for the non-believers and the infidels must die. There's not that. That's why the That's why Christians believe in objective truth that there must be objective truth because otherwise Why is most of the world Following this is though it's objective truth We seem to be leaning towards this is of this Must be the thing which is objectively real and objectively true and a thing which we can point to that is Because when people are introduced to it like you just said It's really hard and difficult to find fault in it. It's not just that. You know, it's interesting If we reverse it If we say what could I do that actually would be the best for me me me me me me it would still be that Yeah, which is the funniest part of the whole thing It's like both ways it works for you If even if it's not all about you or it works for you even if it is all about you It's still going to be the better message out of the two It's definitely a better framework for living your life and There's a lot of people that just reject that that are that think of themselves as intelligent You know, they think of themselves as intelligent and well-read and Educated to just market that yeah, I'm too smart for that. I'm smart for all that. I'm an atheist Any atheist needs to take eight grams of mushrooms Just did a little DMT do a DMT and you're like oh, I don't know anything You think you know things you don't know a fucking thing You just know what you've experienced and I think that these The world is better off if people have a great moral and ethical framework I think morals and ethics and being kind Is one of the most important values that human beings can ever possess if you want to live in a productive and healthy community Completely agree and I think that kindness I make a delineation between kindness and niceness I think it's often kind not to be nice, but I do think that you can be nice and it may not be kind And so that's true I make a delineation between those things. I don't think that kindness though has much variance Kindness is looking after the interest of somebody who's not me and it makes everybody it's it's actually selfish Because it makes you feel good too. Yeah, there's I mean there is something you can look at it that way sure From from the from the physician trying to convince the unbeliever right appealing to their self-interest may not be the worst idea Right, and oh appealing to like well has the lack of community and the like let's just assume for a second. Let's just assume It's all bullshit and it's all nonsense Every bit of it. It's just totally made up. We just like we just made it up right But we all acted as though it was true If it's the case that your whole framework is that we just want a society that really works well And does the best it can possibly do for everyone then shouldn't you by your own framework just pretend it's true right? Yeah, shouldn't you just act as though it's true anyway because you're in a very good point about that yeah about believing in God that if you believe if you act as if God is real You will have a better life Like it it it works. It really does work almost like a universal truth. Yeah, it's it's very fascinating It's fascinating that People that are self-professed atheists and people that think of themselves as too intelligent for religion Won't acknowledge that they don't want to believe that it's so many of them that I know that are self-professed atheists are some of the most miserable people They're they're very depressed a lot of them are on psychiatric medications a lot of them are in therapy a lot of them are really fucked up They're almost cursed Oh, it seems like that doesn't it yeah, well the thing is interesting is like I've talked with a lot of atheists invaded with a lot of atheists especially on the effects of Christianity and society Against the effects of atheism and I know what pure secular states have led to that's what communism That was a purely secular state. Yes where you really where you really wall off the church from the state But here we pretend that it's secular and they get all the benefits of it being Quote secular, but it's not secular at all right politicians are constantly voted in based on the fact that they have an x amount of value structure And that's what they're going to implement legislatively on you the whole secular thing totally made up It's and and then pretending that that's even even real or has ever existed as a real framework in the United States Just nonsense not only that, but I think there is a natural default in the human mind to be attracted to a structure and If that structure is a Christian structure You're attracted to all the Christian values that we've just discussed being so positive and beneficial to you But if you're not and you go to a leftist progressive structure leftists in particular Like a Marxist structure What you know what you're seeing is a complete lack of forgiveness They don't have that built into the system You know one of the one of the beautiful things about Christianity is forgiveness And the recognition that we're all sinners and we all fuck up and we're all human and we're all flawed And that you could you could move on and be better and you can atone for these sins and you could recognize that You know, yes, you've made a mistake, but here's the best way to move forward and be a better person Society at whole recognizes that you are me and I am you and we're all kind of the same thing we all fuck up And we're all we're all just human beings, but there's a pathway It's a pathway to forgiveness. There's zero pathway Oh, no, nothing in in leftism that's that's the most horrible thing when you watch these pylons online over like the most innocuous And so their discretion what's funny with leftists Is their pathway is just everything's permitted yeah, and the pathway from the Christian is no not everything is permitted But almost everything can be forgiven Right and that I would see is the big distinction if my there you know, there's a story That I heard it because I'm Eastern Orthodox. That's that's what I follow and I heard it was a great story of my priest told me and so basically how this win is There was monks They lived in a commune and one monk Like to get drunk that was his big vice right and he drank a lot of beer And he did this clear up until the day that he died and when he died Everyone was crying and A monk said well, you know, why is everyone crying? You know, he held that vice Clear up till the day he died and the head of the The the the avid who was there he said yeah But the last few years he cut it in half Who's on the path? He was well, he's just saying I'm gonna recognize all the progress that this man who had this horrible vice Dead right there was still prog he was still trying to move towards the virtue. Yeah Now, maybe he never got to it But where I'm still gonna recognize that he was trying to And maybe he he was not able to surmount it He was not able to get past his demons. Maybe he wasn't able to overtake them all But he was at least attempting to right That's the thing that's the that's the thing And it's well, it's this idea of like someone being a perfect person. It's just nonsense doesn't exist And so if you don't have a pathway to forgiveness and if you don't If you don't have that Built into your society you're always gonna have people pointing out the people that are the bad people And it's gonna keep moving in that direction and it's one of the things you see in the left in particular They eat their own and it's drives me crazy when I see that also from the right. I'm like You don't you see that the people that you criticize are doing this and now you're doing this you guys are turning on each other over the most Innocuous things and and forming tribes where you're attacking each other even though you have mostly shared values Instead of being charitable and recognizing that you know, these are just human beings and they make mistakes Yeah, but the left eats itself more than any fucking group that I've ever encountered Over almost nothing and they love to pile on because they're absolutely Terrified that it's gonna come for them. They're fucking terrified And so they will go out of their way to shame and attack and to take some of the energy away from them But do you think there's a unity in that like if we were to if we were to look at this again like from a bird's I view I agree with you the left eats itself way more than the right does though the right eats itself too Right and we've been seeing a lot of that post Charlie Kerr's death I though I think that that was mostly power vacuum base and who gets to fill the power vacuum I still think that it's it turn into a doggy dog for the power vacuum fight and it was a criticism of values foundationalism and all that But from the left view if you eat if you're eating your own Right and you eat the message apart to the point where you get down to the foundation and now everybody's in lock-and-step Is that better for political power or worse? Like if you constantly are just eating the wrong you know, nope that message isn't pure enough And they gobble up until you get the monster right who has the right message. They're all on board Is is that the better way to achieve this kind of like political paradigm that they want? That's my question It's very naive It's a naive perspective that eventually you're gonna boil it down to a purity and you're not going to it's not gonna happen You're never gonna get far left enough Always be something else eat them over. Yeah, well also you're advocating for communism and advocating for communism is so wild And people there's no examples of it ever being done right. It's there's zero Imagine advocating for something that has zero success The zero None like you can it doesn't exist. It does it's never happened. There's never been why well. I'll tell you why Because if everybody has to share all the money Then who's gonna enforce that? Who's gonna do who's gonna tell people that you have to give up your house? I'm gonna help you blow up the state at this day. The state has guns. Yeah. Yeah, so you're advocating for violence Yeah, well, you don't think you're advocating for violence, but you are you're advocating for hard men with guns to enforce your will And those people are gonna wind up living in mansions and eating filet mignon and everybody else is gonna be notes and gruel and That's which is exactly what's always happened when it's tried and the thing is interesting too is there's other There's other value set issues that are really simple to point to like okay. Nothing's worth anything Like how do I get my guitar? Right? It's nonsense Like just you know all the communist nations are always setting their market prices based on what capitalists with markets would set for prices And it's like how do I value a guitar if it's if if it's supposed to just be mine in the commune And then yours also and his also how do we set a value assessment here? What makes the epiphone better than the Um another pro sorry folks. We had a crash software crash another problem is this idea of the equality of outcome that everybody should get an equal amount That is crazy talk because we all know that equality of effort does not exist There's a reason why there's outliers and the reason why they're so compelling and so inspirational is like this Fucking guy got up at five o'clock in the morning and ran every morning before work and hustled and and ate the right food and And fucking did the right things and was thinking and pushing and was open-minded and and he became radically successful But from each according to their ability Joe But that no way that's it's not even maximizing everyone's ability because you're basically giving a safety net for fucking lazy people And that's not good for them either no no being inspired by others success is a good thing It's a good thing and the only way that happens is if you let someone be exceptional And the only way you let something be exceptional you have to incentivize them What's the incentive the incentive is they get more value out of their hard work They get more money they get a nicer house they get like what are you gonna do you gonna decide that people have to like mate Like that the women don't find this guy attractive, but that's not fair So they have to be with this guy and they have to find him attractive or the you know a woman has to find this man attractive Sure, even though he's a dumpy fucking lazy loser But this is the way of the world. Yeah, and competition is a good thing for human beings and it inspires us It's good. It lets you know that there's a higher bar that can be achieved And you often used to know who the lazy people were based on the living conditions they had Yes, isn't that interesting? Just like you would often know if there was an ugly kid that their parents probably were pretty ugly, right? Uh, but it's true, right? Yes, it is true. The idea here is like People tend to bat and dating in their league at least men do all right or try to right? Women above their league, but the thing is is the reason you commonly see good looking people with good looking people and ugly people with ugly people is because That's about what you can get. Yeah, but it's the same thing when it comes to ability and skill in whatever it is that you're doing Right. Yes. Hey thing is is like a lot oftentimes if you ask a person my dad used to say this all the time he was right If you ask a person are you where you're at based on things that happen to you or because of you He said 98% of people will say because of things that happen to me and then when you ask him about what those things are You'll find out that it's because of them You'll find out it's because of choices. They've made things that they've done That's actually what's responsible for the conditions that they're in oh and by the way for people that's not the case Like trust fund kids are the most miserable mother fuckers. I have ever met in my life and they lose it all anyway They a lot of them do but so they a lot of them are not fully formed human beings in the way I always describe it I go it's like if you give if you make cement and you don't add all the stuff in the right way You can't fix it later, right? So during the developmental process If you're fucking jaffrey from Game of Thrones like what are the odds that jaffrey is gonna fucking figure it out? Get a shit together and be cool when you get over you're just dexter and that's it exactly right You just like you have the informed experience of the serial killing and it's like there's just no fixing you There's no fixing. Yeah, there's no fixing it. I get that I just the thing that's interesting is like When I look at the the communist paradigm versus the capital. You know, that's coming back That paradigm's coming back and for a while it was kind of shoved off is like that's boomer shit You know with the Cold War's over grandpa, right cold war's over grandpa There's no communist versus capitalist versus that that's all done. It's like not it's not it's not done No, not at all. It's a story is all this time and it keeps fucking repeating itself It's just weird the people look but also I believe in social safety nets because I think that there's a lot of people that are Very unfortunate and there's a lot of people that do grow up with shitty parents or parents that have a bad situation in life Maybe the father dies or the mother dies and there's like it's good to be charitable And churches are fantastic at that. It's one of the more pure charities that you're ever gonna find because their goal is really Just to help those people unlike what what you think of as charities in the modern sense One of the grossest fucking things today is these enormous charities that everybody thinks oh I'm gonna support this charity. It's doing so much good. 90% of the CEO. Yeah, dude. I was watching this thing Was either a lot I think it was a live aid You know one of those one of those concert things with was bono. What was he involved? And was it live aid? I don't remember but bono bono I remember his speech where he was like capitalism's done more to take people out of poverty than anything else I thought that was funny. It is funny. Yeah, but I don't remember which one he was involved in directly But I know what you're referencing well mic bends did this video today where he's explaining how an enormous percentage of that money went to regime change Like it went to prop up went to prop up CIA operations like The fucking money that people donated so generously to the LA fires. Did you ever see where all that went where it went to like a hundred different non profits like some of it was like Pro immigration That was like we we talked about it the other day We had a whole list of all the different things that have been documented. Oh in G. Oh, yeah So very little money is ever gonna go to the actual people that lost their house almost all the money is gonna go to these Non-profits all these nonprofits have overhead it goes to their employees It goes to the overhead costs all these people got bonuses But in that the same with the state dollars went to bonuses. Yeah, but that's same with the state But crazy is that you get a bonus for running a fucking charity. That's crazy huge bonuses huge bonuses like hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions in bonuses And that's the homeless situation. This is the other thing about the homeless situation in California. Oh, we're gonna Help the homeless. It's really important to donate to the homeless. Let's help the homeless California spent 24 billion dollars on the homeless problem. It got worse Not only did it get worse they can't account for the money and when the politicians have unanimously voted to try to do an audit to see where the money goes Gavin Newsom has vetoed it It's wild Well, isn't it counterintuitive anyway if you're in an area and you say look we're gonna be really good to the homeless here We're going to give them a lot of money a lot of entitlements We're gonna really help them get on their feet if you were homeless in a neighboring state where would you go? Yeah Yeah, you'd move to the place with awesome weather. Yeah, they'll give you money. They're gonna give you money Yeah, and so you know and they do they do just that and so that's why these budgets become very bloated Right people are like wait a second. There used to be three homeless guys over there now. There's a tent city What the hell is going on and they all get free crack? Yeah Yeah, or free needles in their needle exchange or whatever it is Um, and it's it gets worse and worse the state does the same thing state is allocating tons and tons of cash that it gets and social security Tax it's not going to social security. It's like these entitlements and entitlement spending People ton of the social security is going to illegal immigrants. Oh, yeah, an enormous amount of it They're like wait wait what and they denied it they denied it and then you know They had to mess up to it whistleblowers and well, why would you have a pay-go system? Why would you have a system where you're like this is social safety net that you're paying into for your retirement That you have to pay into why wouldn't that go in a lockbox? Why would you have a bit well because Uh, we want access to that money right now and we'll pay it out later. That's what we'll do. We'll pay it out later It's like what why wouldn't you why wouldn't you have a misappropriation? Of course It's it's why it's wild that they're allowed to access the social security funds that are for your retirement And then they're like well, we're going to defund social security So we'll shut the whole government down right Because then you won't get your social security checks will weaponize the entitlement that should just be in a lockbox Yeah, you know, it's well, uh, well, we'll pass funding for it funding for the thing they already paid Well, the idea also is that you are supposed to be paying into it so that you will get money when you retire But your return on investment is so bad. What's terrible and and compared to what would happen if you spent that exact same money and put it in Like a fund a reliable fund you'd get so much more money when you retire Like in a normal now well now You almost feel like it's hamstring because if if it was the case that they let you keep you just opt out You know, I don't want so security. I want to keep it And then you took that and you put it in those hedge funds and retirement accounts and things like this You would weigh maximize over what you get in social security. Yeah, you know, so but you can't opt out even though it's for you There's nothing the government does good not a thing not a single thing So why would they be good at that and why would anybody support that? They're just not good at it especially when it comes to money. There's always a bunch of shenanigans that take place You know, and the idea that they would say oh social security is a sacred this this we're going to really treat We're going to maximize your the amount of investment and really take care of people. We really care about people Yeah, we care about them telling so naive it's just it's so naive and so obviously An ineffective and possibly corrupt system. Why isn't it become a weapon entitlement or a weapon? Yeah, they're a political weapon Well, it certainly helps yeah, and and also again the suicidal empathy the god sad talks about if you're on the left You think of it as being like you're an empathetic person a kind person you want people to have money when they retire You want people to have Medicaid and you want people to have welfare and you want people to have snap Who was a guy you brought up? I'm trying to think of his name It was like a maybe professor raft something like that. They brought up the pop a new guinea thing Do you remember the pop a new guinea thing? Yes, I do yeah, so on the that little island, right They have the seminal people and the seminal people basically they molest young boys. That's what they do, right But apparently the young boys there they love it because it's a right of manhood right and it's all socially conditioned in The thing is with suicidal empathy That's really funny here to point out to a leftist from their paradigm. There's nothing wrong with that actually Where's the harm right that's part of the suicidal empathy of the part of the ideology of suicidal empathy Is it like for me from my world view? It's like I don't care if you don't think there's harm in that there is we're stopping it emperor Andrew Done that's that's done no more that's not allowed. Don't care if it's relativistic or not It's over. Yeah, I mean it's crazy to try to defend that culture That culture is so wild the the semen warrior. Yes, Papua New Guinea the semen warriors in Papua New Guinea for people who don't know and let's Let's instead of just talking about this. Let's read this from an actual source so we can explain Because they call the the children when I think they're six The boys Have to live with a man that they refer to as the anal father And this guy and in order for them to grow strong they have to consume semen yes both orally and Analy and so they get mouth fucked and asked fuck by this guy and then they continue that when they grow up as part of their warrior culture And what stopped it You know, it's what ended up finally stopping a lot of it still is but a lot of it was stopped Depending on the tribe you were in because of Christian missionaries Interesting because of Christian missionaries, but here's the thing that cracks me up right in this whole culturally relativistic nonsense harm principle stuff You're Christopher Columbus and you show up and if culture is doing that Don't you put them to the sword right like if you see the pyramids and they're cutting people's hearts out Like we're holding it up to this to to raw or whatever You're like i'm supposed to feel bad You got that they put you to the store like it's really hard for me to feel bad about that right Yeah, it's really hard for me to be upset about that But with the seminal people same thing it's like If you went in there and you just use strong armed force This is why the libertarian in a p and stuff like that disagree with because like If you went in there and use strong armed force and just stopped it immediately so what So what how's the world a worse place for this how is it you know like and how is that not ultimately stopping an egregious sinful act That you can stop with ease right like why not why not do that well one of the things I got really into asex recently and because I did I wasn't aware That a lot of those temples that they found you would think that the people that build those incredible pyramids and temples They found them didn't they yeah, you would think they have to be an incredibly sophisticated society Well it turns out they didn't really build them they found them yeah And they referred to them as the place where the gods were born. I didn't know that I was always told that they built these incredible structures And then the Spaniards came and then they found them and no they were primitives who found Who found something that was extremely advanced and then used it for their primitive application not just primitive But barberry When they completed the consecration of the temple of Tenochtlán they killed A Somewhere between 20,000 on the low end and 80,000 on the high end they sacrificed 20,000 to 80,000 people within four days In four days and this was documented by Got to forget his name Something Diaz it was a Spanish chronicler because this is before Cortez came They you know they they started like trying to figure out what's going on over there and one one of the things that this guy came back He said This place is fucking crazy, you know like they killed 80,000 people and a lot of people have disputed that 80,000 people But then they found so many bones that they're like okay, it's probably Somewhere north of 20,000 which is crazy enough they sacrificed him in four fucking days Relities relative right Of course it was 4,000 maybe what's that chain as many as 4,000 was as max as they got to What do you mean bones? Yeah, the people that even if they did 20,000 I think the number I think I saw was Four people or it was like four people every minute You would have had to do or is it was something that almost impossible to accomplish they just said the numbers probably exaggerated a lot Right, but they said that the no I think if you I look at somebody brought up I looked it up to I looked it up yesterday actually I looked it up yesterday and they were saying that that this guy who is the guy that Okay, we can I know I have it saved so I can find it in here So this guy this day as guy Who's chronicling yeah, who chronicled it in the six years since was this really really soon okay Like within a couple of decades before Cortez Yeah Um I'm trying to find it But it this is maybe I'll just the perplexity of things in Spanish sources claimed 80,400 victims and this is at 1487 Right, but my test makes you just 4,000 to maybe 20,000 right so 20 okay They don't really know so 20 80,000 might be exaggerated if you think about the number but just think about 20,000 people killing 20,000 people by cutting their hearts out and throwing them down The steps of the pyramid in four days is fucking crazy. So if you're the Spanish The Spaniards and you come here. You know, feel bad about conquering those fuckers You're like, what are you guys doing or how about when they showed up and they found the mions and they're playing football with human heads Now here's a funny one They don't want to believe that they played football with human heads So historians try to say that they didn't play football with human heads even though there's artistic depictions of them playing football with human heads Like no, that was just symbolic. Well, did they sacrifice humans? Yes, they did But um, they played football with their heads that would be rude It's that that whole myth of the noble savage exactly and that whole myth of the noble savage is Something which is utilized by the left in order to make the claim that you are an imperialist and an occupier and a person Who yeah, you could you have colonized their land and the thing is is it's like If that's what we colonized Why do I care? I asked this question all the time. Why do I care if that's what I colonized if that's what my ancestors colonized Why should I give a shit about that? Well, there's an amazing book about Texas called Empire of the Summer Moon It's all about the Comanche this entire land used to be before mexico owned it by the way One of my three this lady said to me, you know This all used to be mexico. I'm like right, but do you know how for how long? 15 years like I've been here for six like you got to let that go That's not that long 15 years and by the way mexico was only and we had an alamo over it Yeah, and by the way mexico was only one when it owned Texas Mexico started with its new constitution. Yeah, yeah, because then also you have the language and the religion of your oppressors That you're trying to say is this noble and incredible culture. Yeah, you're bringing over to America and you're all Catholic Yeah, you're all Catholic y'all speaks bad. I see they used to have well first of all the people the native American people and the original people in the Aztecs the minds and Mexicans It's essentially the same kind of people a lot of them are they look the same Was like if you look at sitting bold my wife calls him he'd be working to talk around my wife calls him to pick me people Oh, they're tiny little people in the mind and they didn't have any bad black noses and um, they like yeah They look like pygmy people well the the original people of mexico had or what the land of mexico had over a hundred languages The minds alone had thirty different languages. They're all lost Like these languages are all lost and we're supposed to think it's noble that this amazing culture that have the language and the religion of their oppressors And they want to move here with this language. They're colonizing You're trying to colonize a place you've been colonized you're trying to colonize and here's the thing about colonizing Everybody everybody that doesn't live in Africa Somewhere in their ancestry There was a colonizer Like if you go to Minnesota and you see these Somali communities and everyone speaking Somali and if Somali businesses We think that is It's a colony of course. It's just not a big one. It just hasn't taken over the entire country And when it does you'll think it's great because they're not white right You're good. Well, they're not colonizers They're not call can you see it white immigrants? They're immigrants. Yeah, right White people are colonized. Yeah, white people are the colonized. Yeah, everyone else is the immigrant Nobody feels bad for Swedish chicks with big tits that are moving to America. You don't think that those are colonists. Yeah, don't care Yeah, don't care. Yeah, it's only it's only the colon it's only the colonization. Oh, man Well, the thing is funny Moving back to the to the myth of the noble savage thing How weaponized that is when so much of it isn't true like for instance, you've heard of the two spirits. Yes, right? That's all that's all bullshit to The whole two spirit people all bullshit came from like one guy. I don't remember started with a bee right Who like bar de che or something like this that they called them right and it was one tribe of people Who had some like weird thing that they did that was it? Well, it's probably gay guys Yeah, that was the whole Electricity up like yeah, that's where the whole two spirit thinking and then suddenly it's like no the native Americans had the two spirits Like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that is not the case at all You just made it up because then you could throw it in with your skittles bullshit, right? So That's the right Throw it in the skittles bullshit the rainbow. Yeah, well the thing about this area here before mexico owned it was command Terria It was owned by the commanding, but you know how they owned it because they killed the fucking Apache That's that's how nice. Yeah, well, they were fucking brutal That's why this empire the summer moon book is so good because it just shows you how Unbelievably barbaric the command you were they were the baddest motherfuckers around because they had figured out horse raising Um, and by the way, they only got those from the air yeah, yeah from Europeans, right? Yeah, which is crazy because horses actually originated from North America I thought they were in Europe and brought here in from Europe no no Horses originated in North America and then made their way to Asia and then were wiped out in North America Okay, and then reintroduced okay, so but the but the natives didn't have access to European's bra you okay, that's what I thought their culture was so incredibly wild if you think about it like You you know you're talking about Will you think about Europe and Asia? You've got people riding horses and building cities and you've got like agriculture And in North America you basically have stone age people You're really kind of crazy really kind of fascinating and then they get horses and the command she's with the first ones That really figure out horse breeding they figured out how you know how to castrate their horses They became Mongols. Yeah, they basically became mom Yes, if you came Mongols once they had access to horses. Yeah, well, that was what that was the whole distinction anyway We if you reduce it all between the two civilizations Europeans had domesticatedable animals natives didn't right and because we had domesticatedable animals we had labor We built these these amazing societies and they didn't yeah like the difference that a work ox and a workhorse can make in labor is Astronomical yeah, and so you know like That's that's the real difference same thing with disease like ah, you know The whites brought over all their diseases like well, all those came from animals smallpox all that got immunity because we of animal husbandry They didn't have any immunity to any of that. No, I had this real evidence that syphilis came from native Americans And then they brought that at least some forms of syphilis and they brought that syphilis back to Europe And then all the Europeans started going crazy and getting holes in their head losing all their hair That's where the big wigs came from and then eating mercury pills to cure themselves Yeah It's crazy what people used to believe Yeah, it's really kind of fascinating But the point is even the people that lived in America before those settlers came Those people came from somewhere else they came from Siberia You know everyone's a colonizer Everyone all over the world people they you start in Africa Million years ago, whatever it is and then people start slowly moving away from the people that were kicking their ass Look up for a better place to live, but isn't the whole thing from the leftist paradigm just to create um Or to de-legitimize The fact that you can say what do you mean my grandpa was born here right his grandpa was born here right? He was a colonizer. I'm an American and I have a right to my nation because By birth I have a birthright to to the land that I'm on and so do my fellow countrymen and they Nope, it's an attempt to de-legitimize that right? That's the whole point just to de-legitimize your claim to your own land Well, that's what we're talking about earlier with left with leftists where there's this purity test that no one can ever pass Because they'll always keep pushing the boundaries further and further You're never going to be there's there's no like real Americans everyone who's white is a colonizer. Yeah, yeah It's just it's fucking goofy and it's just designed to Point at someone that someone is the bad person and this is the reason why life sucks and Also dismiss any of the terrible activities that any of the other people Participate in because like oh, they're they're just oppressed. They're oppressed people so they're lashing out Do you think what like if you had if you again the bird's eye view? What do you think the left what do you think their end goal is here? I don't think they know I don't think they're end goal. They're end goals their enemy is the right and the right is Nazis and fascists They want to eliminate the Nazis and they want a role initiative Right initiative right? Yeah, they want and they they think two-and-six damage. It's happening And they think that once they get into power everything will be fine But it's not going to and not only that what would be fascinating is if Someone from the left started behaving exactly like the people that are on the right Just did it from a perspective of the left where you would think oh, this is okay And that's what we got during the Obama administration. I sent you this thing Jamie A little bit ago the clip of Obama Talking about immigration and by the way Obama do you and I was mistaken on this I thought that a lot of the people that Obama deported were people that were turned away at the border Uh-huh That was a third Most of the people out of the I think was three million over the course of his presidency Uh, that were deported were fucking deported like arrested deported a lot of people were killed Let's put on the headphones so we can listen to this speech because this this sounds Very mega listen to this there are those in the immigrants rights community Who have argued? passionately That we should simply provide those who are illegally with legal status or At least ignore the laws on the books and put an end to deportation until We have better laws And often this argument is framed in moral terms Why should we punish people who are just trying to earn a living? I recognize the sense of compassion that drives this argument But I believe such an indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and unfair It would suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally That there will be no repercussions for such a decision And this could lead to a surge in More illegal immigration And it would also ignore the millions of people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally Ultimately our nation like all nations has the right and obligation to control its borders And set laws for residency and citizenship And no matter how decent they are no matter their reasons The 11 million who broke these laws should be held accountable That sounds so Republican In 2010 that was a Democrat saying that and everybody was like well, okay. That's reasonable Yeah, and all that Tom Homan Who is the head now? I know was the guy then and he gave him a fucking metal Find the clip of Hillary when she's running in 2012 where Hillary is more mega than Trump The way she frames things is so hardcore right wing she sounds to the right of marjorie Taylor green If you've never seen this have you seen this one? I think so but I'm gonna look again wonderful It's wonderful because it just shows you how much horses by the way how good was he he was such a good spokesperson Like the way he talked was so it was so measured and So noble and the way he phrased his sentences like it was really it's really interesting how much perception plays a factor in what you think of is like someone being a good president because everybody in the left Things of him is being like the most amazing president ever. Oh, yeah, but this isn't the one. Yeah, he wasn't it keeps coming up That what I'm looking for but this isn't the one the one is she's giving a speech So I thought I was looking for but I didn't even type in what I was looking for. I just type in 2012 And that's the thing that keeps me maybe it's not 2012 it might have been 2008 Don't don't do Hillary is more mega than than Trump See if you can find it. It's I know it's on YouTube But it's this amazing campaign speech where you got it Is it 2008? Yeah, that's it. That's it. Here it is. What's this? I love this one. I think we gotta have tough conditions Tell people to come out of the shadows if they've committed a crime Deport them. No questions asked. They're gone If they cheers cheers from the Democrats if they've been working and our law abiding We should say here are the conditions for you staying you have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally You have to pay back taxes and you have to try to learn English And you have to wait in line You can learn English everybody's cheering. Yeah, they love it They love it and now Now you're not Trump's a Nazi. Yeah, Trump's a Nazi That is more right wing Than margin telegram. Yeah, the the Democrats were I mean There used to be labor unions that would put pressure on them, right This was a big thing like there was labor unions that was what the Democrats had yes, and the labor unions did not want The cheap labor to come in and displace them from having their nice little high-wage jobs And so it was all about we got to deport the illegals like bro What did Bernie Sanders say? Mass legal immigration He's a right wing coke brothers conspiracy to bring in cheap labor and he wasn't wrong right Okay, he wasn't wrong wasn't wrong, but the thing is is it's like What the hell are we fighting over here? Well, we're fighting over the fact that the left is just trying to appreciate itself with power And they don't really care about what the moral paradigm is as long as they can get their people in power They'll use anything as a lichpin issue That's right. That's right. It's all about power the whole thing is about power And that's what people need to truly understand you're being played you're being played you're being played him in theapolis you're being played All around the country. It's it's about power. It's about them getting power And if you think that once they get complete if they did they were successful They imported millions more to all these swing states. They allow them to vote They completely rig the system now it's only you think that's gonna be good for everybody you're out of your fucking mind Let me ask you this Do you think then that Christians knowing this they know That these are bids for power when you have Christian nationalism on the rise in Christians moving towards that Doesn't that seem like it's a rational and reasonable thing to do for them to want the mindset of if we're not in power They will be in power It's rational from their perspective for sure what people are terrified of is that it would restrict the freedom of religion And that you would impose Christianity on the entire country You know, and I don't think you should impose any kind of religion on any people I think people should be free. I've never seen the I know that there are of course the the people who pushed that there has to be an established theocracy in order for Christian nationalism to work But the frameworks that I've seen that have political legitimacy don't seem to push for that at all They push instead that the ideas that Christians should not be hamstrung from the ideals of Of holding power itself that that does not make you bad or evil or awful no matter what the left says Christian or how Christians are supposed to act And that when you are in power you should rule with Christian ethics in mind That's how you're supposed to pass policy public you know public public policy of all kinds. It's through those ethical means That's not sounds like not hey It's gonna be a theocracy That doesn't seem like it's a necessary component No, well people are afraid of the concept of a theocracy And I think that people are afraid of just human nature and that if people did get into power that that's what it would become Just like These people are just trying to get into power that they would use Christianity as a vehicle And they would just use that as an ability to control people though the real concern is just human nature Human beings when they get into any position of power like to keep it and expand it It's like that's what they do you know I tell jokes I talk shit. That's what I do. I like to talk shit I like to tell more jokes but they're having good kings right there have been but boy good luck Good luck finding a benevolent dictator. Well not new. I don't I don't think you would have to use it Utilize a dictatorship But if it's the case that we can point to like there were people who had a lot of power Who fundamentally were pretty good? What was it that they're pointing to that made them good like is there something we can point society towards that could make our Leaders a bit better that can make our leadership not hyper focus on The nonsense of like gay marriage and stuff like that which is completely and totally Unimportant at the political level and shouldn't be up to the federal government anyway Yeah, and I think it's a political tool too, you know Anna Paulina Luna was on the podcast and she said something that I didn't really didn't consider about Certain political problems that exist in this country that they don't want to solve them right? Because they want to use them to finance their campaigns They want to run on those principles They want to run on nothing always be there and they always be there and he's always be there as an issue and it's like I think a lot of these can be solved like if we if we were to have Politicians in mass and their supporters in mass who followed Christian ethics I do think a lot of those sub-issues get solved very quickly if it's true Christianity if they really do follow the teachings of Jesus Christ But I think what people really worried about is like When people think about Christians they think about the worst case scenario of Christianity Which is like evangelicals on television. They just try to get private jets But how is electing atheist better or electing socialist better or electing any of these people better? It can't be better or it's not better like if someone's a complete sociopath It doesn't have any moral framework like a Gavin Newsom type guy like that's that's even more terrifying Yeah, it's like if I'm gonna be ruled that can I at least be ruled by people have my ethics or Really really believe and that they're trying to make the world a better place and they're not just trying to acquire wealth and And help their donors acquire more wealth. It's spooky It's spooky because people that have power You know it scares a shit out everybody else and it should because historically it's never been good It's almost always when people have power they want more power and they want to also support the people that help them acquire that power And then they want to make sure they got that power locked down So what's the best way to do that? Well you restrict people's ability to express themselves restrict people's ability to travel You take away as much money as possible tax them as highly as possible So they're always in this like state of constantly Struggling to pay their bills you keep them no one's comfortable ever And then you know have this problem that we have to solve this is why you have a problem It's these people yeah, and we're the solution the causers. Yeah, the causers are the solution Do you know one of the things that I mean you you engage in so many fucking debates man I've watched I've consumed a lot of your content online and I always wonder like what does that wear on you after a while? Okay, all the time all the time well the thing is it so I argue from a worldview my worldview is Christian ethics and this is a foundation from which all other arguments are starting and ending Now I'm happy to meet people in the middle a lot of people want to argue in the middle right we're gonna get past all the foundational stuff And we're gonna go to the menu or the middle of the argument and start there and I'm kind of happy to do that to Kind of move the move everything backwards or forwards So we can either get to the end or we can get to the beginning and get this figured out Yes, what wears on me the most about it is there's a lot of people who I debate with who I know don't believe what they're saying I know I know for sure and I there's moments where I catch myself where I recognize it right then that moment in the debate and then I'll hammer them But it happens all the time. I'm like you don't believe that shit There's no way and then they'll come back with a you know with a re I do and you can just tell it's disingenuous Yeah, I can't logically show it I there's no way for me to logically show necessarily or no your motivation maybe in extreme context But yeah, man There's people who are pretty disingenuous about their view and there's times where it comes out and the whole audience can see it And you can see it and you're just like just why This why are you like you don't even believe the shit yourself And you're you're propagating it on other people and you know people follow it You know there's some cash there. You know there's a but you're doing it anyway You're doing it anyway like I've always thought in my head you take a guy like destiny right the kumar grimlin As I like to call him okay, we called the what kumar grimlin. What's that mean? Well like kumar like he just all he does is He basically is like a sexual degenerate right is that what a kumar is yeah Well, a kumar it's a it's a little more mild than that kumar is just like Kind of one of the higher values is just kind of having sex with everyone Right as her around like that's what you do. He's like my sexual right? Yeah. Yeah, he did yeah Well, he's all kinds of sexual apparently, but the thing is is like I've often thought that There's times when I'm talking to the guy where I'm like I you don't believe that Like it just there's no fucking way you believe that shit You're making it up and I know you're making it up right and you'll catch him at times You'd be like whatever I got to say to win the argument. Yeah, and it's like yeah I believe that yeah, I believe that but it's like there are people who genuinely Believe their view and are excellent debaters backing their view and I love those engagements, you know, I live for those engagements The problem is it's like It's 5% of them right a lot of people are just trying to win right well not just trying to win but I don't even have a problem with going into a debate with a mindset of winning it if you're representing a view You believe right you want to win the engagement whether it's a conversation or it's a debate You want to you want to win people over to your side you want to even win the person you're talking to over to your side You know or maybe sometimes you got to be brutal and destroy the view completely so people don't move towards it both of those are completely I consider them both fine and I think they're both effective But the issue that I have ultimately is when you're arguing with somebody You know, they don't believe what they're saying. Yeah, and yeah, that that wears on you and It's not just that but Sometimes you hear the same recycled arguments over and over and over and I'm like you don't even have to tell me anymore I can get to the end before you can I can tell you exactly where you're gonna go what you're gonna say why you're gonna say it what your justification is gonna be And I can just get to the end and take care of this right now. It's gotta be we like how old you? 42 so it's just turned 42 weird like in your late 30s Early 40s to like have entered into this world. Oh, yeah, dude I was so strong. It is it is beyond bizarre. I mean to be like a normal working-class guy Do it literally nobody from nowhere no political experience Nothing I know no entryway nobody in entertainment nobody to help me along nothing And so was it just seeing how Ridiculous people were being during the COVID pandemic that like motivated you to be vocal about all this stuff Well, and I had time yeah, you know times a big one, but with the with the layoff. It's like oh Well, I don't really have a lot to do and I'm listening to this and it's like now I can maybe I can engage a little Maybe I can get involved a little bit, you know, not much I didn't think I didn't think anything ever come of it, you know what I mean I just wanted I saw my view wasn't being represented very well But did you have a history of education like where you were you Just reading books like where did you develop these ideas? Yeah, well, it wasn't just from books Right, I would listen to long-form, you know historic podcasts um, I would more than anything. I would be listening to you know the the mediums changed I would listen to what people had to say on a variety of issues and I would watch the news Incessantly and I would be able to pick out what's true and what's not true after a while Political education comes from a variety of sources. You can't get it from the news And you can't get it from listening to just podcasts and you can't listen get it by just talking to people You have to take a sum total of everything All of it in order to at least be even moderately politically savvy and understand what's going on in the world And I realized most people make commentary on things that they have no fucking idea what they're talking about Right, and so how did you transition to doing this as a job? um, well It's about two years in To doing this. I was like look I sat down with my wife and I said I'm not making enough money on my podcast to quit my job. There's no way You know or doing debates to quit my job. There's no way, but I think I could I actually think I could if I just focused my time on it now I think I could do it replace my income with ease. God, that's a big risk. That was a huge risk Because you have a family. Yeah huge risk. Yeah, and she said okay Wow, give me a kiss and Next day I went in quit and I was like, I don't know what the fuck I just did You know, it's um in some ways it was like It's like oh, I'm gonna go be a big football star to screw you to your boss You know what I mean, and it's like it wasn't the same exactly, but it was a big risk But I just thought you know, I really can make a goal of this if I can focus by time and energy on this I think I'll do really well at it. Well, I think you have a very unique mind for it and uh, I think you're very good at it and I also think you have really good points that are very valuable for people to hear and You're really good at pointing out the logical fallacies and pointing out the ridiculous thought processes That a lot of these people have and I you know That's important man. It's a it's important for society I mean probably don't think of it that way probably just enjoy doing it and Feel like it's but it's valuable because there's not a lot of people that are good at it. I get hundreds of DMs weekly from people And they'll say thing and this again, I'll never get used to it. But what I do this is my process I sit down every morning Uh, I have a cup of coffee And I just respond to every DM that said to me wow So um, I used to do that for me. Yeah, do you probably get too many right? Yes, I get I thought so too I thought well if I start getting hundreds every day There's just no way, but I still do it every morning. How much time does it take you takes me hours about two hours two hours every morning so I'll sit down and I'll go through them and I can't send back long paragraphs But usually I'll read exactly what they say even I'll just say something like thanks for the support or You know, I really appreciate you saying that that means a lot, you know, because it does Yeah, to me, it's my privilege to have fans It's not uh, their privilege to be one and so when I started to see that Right, and I started to see wait this actually does have a massive effect on people I also began taking it very much more seriously because I understood Uh, you I can also say things that do the opposite they could move people towards the opposite of things which are which are good You know what I mean or things which are Uh, things which you should be moving towards And so you know, I do take it seriously and I understand my job is to represent a worldview And when I go into a debate that's exactly what I think millions of people are gonna See this worldview on display. I'm representing it. I need to do the best I can to represent it well to be an intelligent reasonable person who's both well-read and Has very good points that you can express about social issues societal issues is It has It's a massive thing. It's it's a very important thing that um You know mainstream media is not doing a good job of filling that role. It just doesn't you know There's not a lot of people out there. I mean Christopher Hitchens is dead. There's not a lot of people out there that are Really good at debating against ridiculous people and exposing this and and it's it's so important for people to sit down and see something like that And to to recognize like oh, I've heard people like that talk. Oh, I've always wondered like that doesn't make any sense Why doesn't someone tell that guy to shut the fuck up? Why doesn't someone got and you do that? That's my job That's your job my job is to go in specifically and say why don't you shut the fuck up because what you're saying What you're saying is so detrimental to people too. Yeah, and it's nightmare fuel for them like I mean People hear this stuff man like I remember this one guy DM me and he was like Andrew I hate these fucking people like I hate him He said I'll listen to a man and I just fucking rage in my truck. I'm like I fucking hate these bastards He's like but I can't stop listening He's like and his mindset was I want to know what the enemies thinking right? That's his mindset. Yeah, and I think a lot of it is maybe that particular guy is addicted to rage or whatever whatever you want to frame it I don't think so I think the truth is is that when people are trying to get to the bottom of things They're trying to be like why is this happening? Why is this going on? Why do these people think they way they do and then they start listening to them? Sometimes it's way worse than you thought As like you really believe that yet you really think that that's the case You really think that we should be doing anything like this. What is wrong with you? Yeah, and I think that for a lot of people that could be a very kind of like jarring experience for them And I think that that's healthy though I think that's healthy free to be kind of jarged out of complacency a little bit Would certainly healthy for other people to watch it Because certain people lean in one direction or the other and they're not really exactly sure how they feel about things And sometimes someone who has bad ideas can be very compelling with these bad ideas Because they're not being confronted by someone is better at it You know, and I think that's a very important or even as good. Yeah, you know, even even some if you just draw a stalemate It's like sometimes even that's good enough um Because it's like you know Maybe I was leaning towards this or I was leaning towards that but I'm not sure again Sometimes that's the best the best thing right maybe you shouldn't be too sure on this side or that side right But you know before you commit at least maybe I can stop you from making a Committal to this tons of people are like man. I was on the fence about Christianity That was on the fence about orthodoxy was on the fence about this was on the fence about that This debate did it for me listening to what these people had to say this debate did it for me this debate did it for me You know different fans have different highlights that they like because they're all coming from different walks of life But they're all very similar in one aspect most of my audience are married men You know or marriageable age and bits you know late 20s Through 30s early 40s. That's that's about the demographic But mostly like 32 to 45 And so these people they have some life experience They're not dummies and they're listening to and they're like it's about time someone told that Yeah, you know someone somebody let them know what was going on somebody challenged those ideas somebody buried them And yeah, that's that's what I'm effective at doing And that's what I'm going to keep doing because these people are and the higher here's what I've learned The higher I go In confrontation with the higher level people the dumber they get really the dumber they get Back in the old twitch Blood sport days when it was 50 live viewers and me against two leftists and we were slugging it out They were smarter They were these were much smarter people than the high level academic like it took on these two academics recently at debate con both of them Ivy League graduates, right? It was nothing I could have I could have easily destroyed them while enjoying a hot bowl of soup It would not have like it was just it was it was inconsequential Why do you think that is? I well, I think it's because of there's a degree of asking and there's a degree of People around you affirming over and over and over how can great you are That's where that ego-tism comes in where I'm saying earlier in the podcast you have to be make sure you're grounded Make sure that your ego never takes over make sure that you don't become the thing that you hate right right and it's so easy to do But it's also I think I think that as they go Things become more cerebral and academic rather than applicable and those kind of old debates that I was doing was people living in it Not external from it And so they you know it did they had real emotion behind it. This wasn't just a thing on a chalkboard, right? You know, so And the other thing is I think a lot of people get where they are in media Through connections and not because of merit I think a lot of people who are in media and are political pundits have no fucking business being there at all They're dumb as a box of rocks and they're there because they had connections or they had friends who assisted them And getting in the position they are And when they are actually confronted on their views they fall apart They totally fall apart. I've seen comedians comics who were on the road for years Do better in academic debates than academics? Yeah, and I know well how is this possible? Well, it's possible because that guy has real-world experience He's probably just as well-read as you had a lot of downtime, right? So he educated himself But he can do the thing you can't he can apply it That guy has a way to apply this knowledge in a framework that works because he's part of the apparatus of the world And there was nobody there where he was like he tugged on their their shirts leave and said hey daddy or hey You know uncle bucks or whoever you know, I want to be on Fox News and now they have an in you know And I think a lot of that in media happens. I think it's very very a lot of nepotism there And a lot of people just got no business being there at all Don Lemon Don Lemon Not just Don Lemon. I mean no there's so many. Yeah, there's like pick on him because he picked on me Yeah, well, I don't know what Don Lemon's doing picking on any of it like you would you would same thing You would destroy lemon while enjoying a hot bowl of soup. It would just be nothing because lemon's biggest problem is He had never had any business. He was he was a token literally a token He was the token gay black guy. Yeah, he was not valued for his great insights and wonderful political takes The fantastic way in which he broke down the issues of our time He was valued because he was a gay dude who was black who was like liberal talking points Yeah, that's it. Yeah, I agree A listen man. I enjoyed this. Let's do it again sometime absolutely and tell everybody your show the crucible Where they can find it. Yeah, my show is the crucible on YouTube You can also make sure you go and grab a copy of my wife's book of cult feminism is fantastic I brought you a copy Joe cool, and then I know you I know you love feminists That's why I brought that copy And then you can also catch me debate university. It's a thing that I've done for years It will teach you how to debate you can go check that out as well debate university.com. I really appreciate the time Hey, I appreciate you being here, man. I think what you're doing is great. I really do. I enjoy it. Thanks. All right. Bye everybody