Episode 631: Random Order

["The Rockin' Roller"] Like the midnight and the rockin' roll, He's in a fight for wrestling soul, Using a racket and some mind control, Like he's Jim Cogniz! The keys to the future held by the past, And with tag team partner, Brian Last, He sends this message out by podcast, He's Jim Cogniz! Well, he's never fake a phony, He never backs down from the fight, He never wins the pony, Because his mama raised him right! It's time to prepare your mind! Get the experience! Get the experience! Get the experience! Jim Cogniz! And welcome to another exciting episode of the Jim Cornette Experience today! What are we gonna talk about? I don't know, and you're gonna find out when I do, because it's Random Order Day here and joining me! Ho-Lion Brian, the podcasting lion, the king of the Arcadian Vanguard Podcast Network, Mr. Co-host to you! He's not as cranky as I am, just a little bit disgruntled. Be great, Brian Last, everybody! Hello, Jim, a pleasure to be here once again, for a, it's like a hangover edition, based off everything we had to watch in the last week and how disappointing most of it was, but let's see what we can do to have fun today! Well, that's, eh, that's one of the reasons why I'm ill-prepared here. I got a bunch of notes and thoughts and scribblings on various pieces of paper, but I haven't put it in any coherent order. I look like Paul Heyman trying to book television, because after watching all of those things and all of that stuff and et cetera, now we're trying to keep up, and also I'm having one of those weeks. At least the garage is getting painted. The garage is coming along swimmingly to match my new garage door. That's my big goal in life now, is to have a clean garage. Can you tell I'm starting to be elderly? That's a hell of a goal, yeah. So anyway, the point is, we're just going to pick out a few things at random and start talking about them today, and there's so much to choose from, but first of all, before we go any further, I want to thank Joseph from Eunice, Louisiana. Have you ever been down to Eunice? I have not. Where is that? Eunice is way down yonder in the Paw Paw patch, way down south in Louisiana, and Joseph sent me a custom made Midnight Express jacket, because he had done one of these for Dennis before, and Dennis even had, I think tweeted at least one picture of him wearing it or whatever, but it's the picture of me and Bobby and Dennis, it's on the back of the box of the action figures and our red and black, blah, blah, blah, but just takes up the entire back of the jacket. It's fucking huge and it's custom applique on this denim jacket and all this stuff. It's fancy. So anyway, I wanted to thank him, and if I can find in the middle of my chaos in the order fulfillment room down there, if I can find his address, I'm going to send him something to thank him back, but just in case I can't find it, Joseph, I love you and I might as well get the commercialism out of the way quickly. We don't want to, we don't want to go too far with trying to sell things in a manner of the WWE trying to rip people off. Here's the thing, Brian, but if you'd like to sit here on the air with me and Jim for one whole episode with your mic turned out, let us know how much you're willing to pay and we could set that up. No, you don't even have to have a mic to turn it off. Just fucking sit in front of your computer and we'll just, yeah, we'll look at you. It'll be a private show. You get to hear the show before anyone else does a private. Oh, a private show. I wonder how much the private shows are going to cost in the WWE soon. Well, listen, it's for money. Each article of clothing is like another fee. They really they're going to be disgusting, but it's a wonderful business model. They have or you could just buy anything and do anything if you have money. They're going to be doing shows for some Saudi princesses wedding. I bet you before too long anyway. I don't want to be like that. The money grubbing there. They're trying to they're grubbing money is what they're doing. It's been in all the news where they're just charging everybody for everything. And I feel like when you run a business, you got to please your customers, right? And you got to you got to go with the the dictates of the people who support your business. And Brian, you know about well, what was it about three weeks ago? I did my ring worn and ring used gear sale thingy. And almost everything went to first down. Me people jumped at the the the jackets and the shirts and the suits and the rackets and the shoes and the eyeglasses and all of that. All of boom. Just almost everything went to first day. And everything that didn't pretty much went the next couple of days, except one thing, do you know what people have not bought out of that whole sale? What they don't want of my ring worn and used items. Was it the underwear? No, that was a private sale. Those were never advertised. They don't want my pants. Nobody wants to get my pants anymore, Brian. I'm I'm I feel unloved. That's the people have not and it wasn't the price or anything because. You know, the most expensive stuff went first, but I am recognizing the demands of the audience. They didn't want to buy my pants. So beginning this week, Tuesday, April 28th, as long as Hodges can seize the memo. I'm doing a half price sale on my pants. I'm not there a hundred bucks and that still comes with the I'll sign them and I will also give you the handwritten a letter just like authenticating them just like everything else that sold got for a hundred bucks. And if nobody wants them for a hundred bucks, I'm a ball them all up and take them down to Goodwill and just drop them in the fucking slot. How about that? Did you Jim Cornette dot com? Did you have any socks for sale? I didn't have any socks for sale. I'm just wondering what would be the least attractive bit of clothing for a wrestling collector and pants is probably I mean, shirt would be more attractive than pants, but I wonder if pants would be better than socks. Well, pants I would think are better than socks unless you are, you know, maybe Tony Atlas might. Differ with me on that. But no, I mean, these are not like the bright reds and bright pinks. I acknowledge that I do not have my my, you know, 80s peacock colored polyester pants there. These are more of my announcer pants. Basically, you got you get black, you get blue, you get gray, but still, I've had my fucking whole ass in them and everything that ought to count for something. They have been dry cleaned. There's only a few stains that they couldn't get out. But you see when you walk in a dry cleaner, Brian, they've got up on the wall, they don't they're not responsible for taking out blood or semen or bodily fluids or. I can't remember a chocolate. If whatever you've already gone too far. Anyway, so that's this week at Jim Cornette.com. Forgive me, was it a loose pair of pants or was it a pair of pants that actually corresponded with a shirt or a jacket? Like, was it something? No, they're they're they're pants. They're they're slacks is what they are. They're men's dress slacks and and they are there. That's what they are. It's like I had suits and they bought the suits because that's a pair of pants and a jacket, but this is just the pants themselves. But I had shirts they bought those. I had regular jackets. They buy ties they bought though. They didn't want the pants. All right. So once again, half off one leg at a time. Yes, you can't one leg. The one-legged sale at Jim Cornette.com. Oh, no, John. I just bought the wrong one-legged pair of pants. You know, that was one of mama Cornette's favorite jokes. What did this old guy walks in the tailor shop to get him a suit and the guy says salesman says here trying to suit and the guy tries it on and the sleeves are hanging like six inches below his hands and the legs are too short one side, whatever just looks like shit. But the salesman said, no, look here. And he pulls the sleeve up and he tells the guy, now took your arm. There you go. Now just keep your arm tucked to your side like that with your hand out and then the sleeves perfect here. See, well, what about the leg? Well, see what you do is you just pull the leg up a little bit. Just keep your knee pressed to your knee like that where it'll hold it. Now see, it's perfect length. Well, what about this collar? It seems a little loose. Well, just turn your head a little to the side and I'll tuck it under your chin. Oh, it's perfect now. So the fucking guy buys a suit and he wanders out into the street. He's got his one arm tucked into his side and his knees are knocking together while his feet are pigeon toad out and his head's cocked over sideways and this old couple sees him and the old man says, well, look at that poor old fella and the old woman says, yeah, it's a shame, but don't his suit fit nice. All right. So anyway, well, it was funnier the way she told it, I guess. Well, she was probably a lot funnier than you. Well, there's no reason to rub that in. Anyway, what are we doing here? Oh, let me hear. Let me throw away that note about the half price. Speaking of people who make way too much money. I just this I have nothing to no details. Otherwise that I just saw this while I was waiting to be invited to this phone call we're having. Do you know what Ari Emanuel? And Morris Shapiro made last year running this TKO fucking operation they got going on this enterprise Mark Shapiro and I should just saw what the Rock made. I did not see what they made. What did I say? You said Morris Shapiro. Is there a Morris Shapiro? There's a Morris Levy. Well, there was a Morris Levy. No, there's a famous Morris Shapiro. It's Robert Shapiro. But that's not more anyway. Nevertheless, do you know what they made? I do not. Airy Ari made sixty seven point four million dollars slacker and Morris made forty two point six million dollars between all of their salary and their bonuses, their incentives and their stocks and their trading stamps. They give them. Did you see how much the rock made? How much did they just give him stock every year to be on the board? Right? They like twenty or thirty million. I believe he also has compensation and also they reimburse expenses. Hold on. Let me see if I could find this. Well, the rock. I have an article here, Jim. This is from the Wrestling Observer website by Josh Nason, the rock who was also the only TKO board member to not attend at least seventy five percent of the meetings got thirty million dollars of stock. Jesus Christ. For twenty five. He also took in nine hundred thousand dollars in royalties as part of the decade long merchandising contract he has. Also six hundred thousand dollars in reimbursements for, and as a quote, certain travel expenses associated with delivering services under the Johnson Services Agreement. What was he traveling on Artemis? What's the six hundred? How how many times would you have to go around the world if it costs six hundred thousand dollars? His seven bucks productions company also earned less than one hundred and twenty thousand dollars, quote, to provide production services for a potential non scripted project on customary terms. So the rock really made out and apparently Nick Khan. May twenty four point three million in twenty twenty five, which was two million dollars base salary, eleven million in stock awards and more than ten million dollars in bonuses. So there are some of the top people with TKO and on the board of directors. And I hate to say this, but because nobody deserves this amount of money, right? First of all, for doing anything anywhere except cure and cancer, end in world hunger. But unless you generate that kind of money, I mean, I do think if you're someone, that's why I don't get mad at baseball players who want the most money they can get. If you're generating that money, you deserve it more than the owners do. Well, but that's what I was about to say, even though nobody deserves this amount of money. It's just insane. The only one who's not actually doing something for it is the rock and he gets more than fucking Nick Khan. Who I mean, they're out there, you know, fucking been to the sponsors over a barrel and drilling them in the ass and selling goddamn superstars to go to billionaires birthday parties or whatever they're doing. They're just they're at least they're grifting and strong arming and extorting and pillaging for as much money for the corporate greed good as they can. But the rock just came in, disrupted a fucking angle. And and got six hundred last year and six hundred and ten thousand and reimbursements for travel. Even if you're flying him and go words in their whole team, like as a rush from a set to what? Yeah, how could it be that much money? Are they blasting off? It could in 20. Now this was for 2025. Correct. Also is what yours. Well, at last he didn't even wrestle in 2025. That was 2024. Correct. We only saw him, I believe at the beginning of 2025 for the Travis Scott triangle, and then we never saw the rock again. Right? Was it was it two appearances or was it one? So they just give him and he also attended less board meetings than anyone else. He couldn't even show up virtually. He doesn't show up on the set from reports we heard until 10 hours later. And he also doesn't show up for the board meetings at the pain, 30 million dollars to be a part of. Biggest scammer out there. What a scam. Well, anyway, hey, let's turn this over to people who aren't scammers and that's the dead gum cult of Cornette. And I wanted to recognize a couple of people have sent emails in here recently and answer a couple of questions and one is Jeff from Springfield, Illinois lost one of his best friends who was named Zach, but they called him Gonzo. He had a rare form of colorectal cancer and he was only 31 years old. So Jeff in Zach's honor has helped start Gonzo's legacy, which is a nonprofit that to raise awareness for colorectal cancer and help kids get access to hockey and they run an annual tournament have raised $60,000 so far. And while helping equip 100 kids with gear for the hockey games. So that's terrific sticks and slap jacks and things of that nature. But anyway, he said it's our way of turning something. Well, those hockey games get rough. Little some mace and pepper spray things like that go a long way for the kids. But it's our way of turning something awful into something that can help others. And I just wanted to Jeff, we would appreciate your efforts and Gonzo's legacy if you're in Springfield, Illinois, or I guess any of the surrounding towns, they wouldn't restrict just to the city limits or drive over to Springfield and give them some money. Well, we're all thinking of Gonzo and Camilla. And who Camilla? Who's Camilla? I was Gonzo's girlfriend on the Muppets. He was a chicken. Oh, God, damn it. How do you not know that? This isn't new. This isn't like news I'm hitting you with. This is classic old school Muppet news. Didn't have time to watch the Muppets. I was I was busy becoming a superstar. Anyway, um. And also, wait, where is OK? I've now see I'm fucking lost my train of thought in my stack of papers here. Rocky. Rocky. And where does he live now? He doesn't say if he's still there. No, yes, he does because there's his signature Rocky. Actually, I'll give his last name Rocky, Mel, hey, Michael Haney. If I could pronounce it M C. E L H A N E Y Rocky, Michael Haney is the founder and the lead attorney of the Rocky, Michael Haney law firm. And they have offices in Nashville, East Nashville, Hendersonville and Clarksville. So if you fuck up. Anywhere in the greater metropolitan Nashville area, then call Rocky Michael Haney and tell him I sent you. But he sent a picture from the Morristown citizen Tribune from January 15, 1992 of Tim Horner and Jerry Williams. Jerry Williams was the East High principal and he's in the God. It was when we had the match where it was me and Stan against Horner and the principal of the high school at East High School. And we drew. I can't remember, but like 7800 people this before Smogumount wrestling even went on television. It was just a spot show we ran. And that's where I've told you before the fucking principal. I had the shits that day. And I had the stomach flu and I was throwing up and I was shitting, but I had to have the match because that's what to see the principle beat me up. That's what all those people had come for. I couldn't kill the town. So we had taught him to do two or three things in and up with body slamming me and penning me. And every time that I did anything, whether it was offensive or defensive, if I fell down, I shit myself, right? And finally, the fucking finish when he slammed me, of course, I've already had an extra pair of trunks on because I knew what was going to happen plus tights and etc. When he slammed me, I shit myself again and then when he covered me, he put his goddamn elbow across my Adam's apple. It was a fucking shoot goddamn cover because he didn't know any better. And so anyway, there's the picture of them in the that was in the newspaper that it was in the newspaper the next Wednesday because as I recall, the citizen Tribune was a weekly. But anyway, Rocky went to East High School in Morristown and has now become a successful attorney. Can you believe that? Congratulations, Rocky. Obviously, the best move was getting as far away from Morristown as possible. He's in Nashville, you said, isn't he? Yes. Well, that's it. No, he could have gone all the way to Memphis to get as far away, but he figured none of the Morristown would would would follow him all the way to Nashville. The stench of Horner. Yes. And he said his stepbrother recently found the picture. So that's why he because he and his buddies loved me in the Midnight Express. The more shit you pull the wilder the fans got and the more we loved it. Anyway, right on. I have an update on something that we talked about recently. Remember, we talked about poor Jonathan the tortoise who was the victim of a fake death scam by a fake veterinarian that was trying to garner sympathy to sell cryptocurrency in some fashion. I still don't know how you were going to make money selling crypto on a dead tortoise's memory. But nevertheless, Jamie from somewhere who it doesn't mention. And I don't know whether Jamie is actually he could be a male or a female person, couldn't it? So Jamie of indeterminate origin or sex. I said while listening to the recent experience episode, my ears perked up when I heard you talking about Jonathan the tortoise. My late grandmother Sheila was born on the tiny island of St. Helena, which is also known for being the burial spot of Napoleon. Did you know that, Brian? I've heard it before. I hadn't thought of it, but yeah. You've just had, you know, had suppressed the memory. We were talking about Jonathan. My first thought wasn't to go to Napoleon. That's right. Was to go. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, Sheila spent most of her childhood there until she left for England when she was 16 years old to start a new life. Sadly, my nan died during lockdown. But perhaps the biggest story about Jonathan the tortoise. This is, that was an odd transition there. But nevertheless, but perhaps the biggest story about Jonathan the tortoise is that he is gay. The story goes that locals tried to mate Jonathan with females, but he didn't take to him. However, he's been in a relationship with a fellow tortoise called Fred Rica since 1991. But in 2017, a veterinarian discovered that Fred Rica was actually a male that is now known as Frederick. What the hell is going on? What is this story? This I'm telling you, this is from a person who's, grandmother Sheila was born there and knows the local scandals and the ins and outs of these swinging tortoises. And how old is Fred? What day? It's Frederick to you. Right. And Jonathan was 195, I believe. How old is Freddie? Well, they didn't mention Frederick's age. They didn't mention that. Are you saying this could be one of these Anna Nicole Smith and fucking, you know, who was the billionaire's name, Marshall type of deal. She he was 93 and she was 25. Maybe it's one of those Clive Davis things where Jonathan had a wife and kids and then like later on, he became successful. Like, you know what, maybe I'm gay. Well, I wouldn't have anything. It was the veterinarian or the officials fault because they miss. They miss gendered. Yeah. How did they do that? By the way, the way they're working on this, you know, I miss the penis. Oh my God. Well, with a big tortoise like that, they pull everything right up into the shed. And then you don't, you don't know. And if if if Frederick is as old as Jonathan is, and maybe he is, you know, he's been pulling his up for a while. He could leave his in for 30, 40 years. It'd just be like a month or two to you and me. But anyway, Jamie concludes, I hope Jonathan's thrilling life is turned into a Hollywood story. And I think as a matter of fact, we should probably call any type of producers that we know Brian to. Take care of that. Um, and a quick correction. Apparently I have been wrong. In the past when I've made statements, um, and and I want to clarify this because I'm nothing if not scrupulously honest. And remember when I've said that for some bizarre reason, the great 50s Luchador Mexican wrestling superstar Miguel Blackie Guzman ended up 20 years later as an old guy doing jobs for Dick the bruiser in Indiana. And I was like, however the fuck that happened always. I couldn't figure it out. Right. Guess what? It's because it wasn't him because I got a new John Lawson. Do you recognize that name? Brian? You're there. He may even be. He's as old as me. So he may be older than you. Is that an old name from the newsletters like in the 80s from John Lawson from Terre Hood, Indiana, who had a newsletter that covered an, oh gosh, exactly what he called his newsletter. Now I'm trying to remember, but he covered the state of Indiana and bruiser's territory. I think John's father was on the commission up the state commission up there. I believe the name of the newsletter was this state is so boring. Oh, come on now. This was what it was when he was still good. He's you can't blame poor John for 1982. But anyway, he wrote an email. It's been a while old friend. I didn't know John was still listening or even still breathing to be at this point in time with our fucking ages. But he likes to play guest the program, but he heard the mention of Blackie Guzman. They are two different people because bruiser's Guzman originally worked as Raul Guzman. And also worked for a Vern Ganyon his TV and some preliminary matches in the AWA, but John says Sam Minnaker gradually changed his name from Raul to Miguel Blackie Guzman. In hopes that people may confuse the two, but you know, it makes sense because Minnaker where did Minnaker promote and live various parts of his life was El Paso, Texas. And Blackie Guzman would have been a big deal to Sam Minnaker. So he decides to make his own 20 years later in Indiana. So he fooled me. See, I can still get worked. So this was just some old fucking guy. Alrighty then. You know, we've been going a while. Should we keep having fun or should we start talking about bullshit? Should we tell the people what Uncle Dave has. Rated the the the the pay-per-view matches from last weekend so we can get that finally put to bed and out of our minds and move on to other things. Well, yeah, this should be something interesting. We always talk about Dave Meltzer's star ratings for the AEW events, which he typically fawns over to a ridiculous degree. This was WrestleMania two nights, one night universally hated. It seems the second night at least with a main event that everyone was talking about. We have the star ratings. Well, Brian, again, I don't have a drum roll anymore because of your goddamn noise filter. So that's all right. You've been drumming for half the show. You just out. It's like I'm aggressive today. I'm aggressive today. Neil Perk. I'll brook none of your foolishness. Jim night one. Yes. Jimmy and J. Huso and L. A. Night defeated Logan Paul, Austin Theory. And I show speed. Seven minutes, five seconds. Two and a half stars. Well, actually on the old. The original scale that works for me. Oh, that works for me, bro. Because that would mean that it was. Okay, maybe a little bit better than what we expected. Not quite three stars because it didn't really, you know, get there. But okay, better than average. Jim match to which was also on ESPN two, I believe Jacob Fattu defeated Drew McIntyre in an unsanctioned match. Fourteen minutes, eight seconds. Four and a quarter stars. I think Dave's too generous there, actually. Well, that's what I'm saying. So that means either that he's just taken a big handful of his own shit and smeared it in the fucking six man's face or that this is the greatest match that's ever been seen. I don't why. How can they're not? Jacob and Drew, I mean, I don't like the garbage match stuff for all the reasons that we talked about when we reviewed it as well as the fact of the cleanliness of the garbage that they use. But the three, it could be three is going to immediately go to oh my God, Jesus Christ, they were standing in the aisle screaming and throwing the babies at each other. Again, I wouldn't have gone four and a half or four and a quarter stars there, but let's get to more matches. Pre Bella and Paige won the WWE Women's Tag titles over Nia Jackson, Lash Legend, Charlotte Flair and Alexa Bliss and Bailey and Lyra Valkyria, eight minutes and 33 seconds, one minute for each competitor. Two and three quarter stars. Uh, see now, I mean, again, he he comes down to reality except the thing is on the on the original scale. Once again, this might have been about one and a half, but the way that he's normally scoring these days, he again has projectile vomited all over these girls and given up. I mean, there's there's very little consistency. Jim for the Intercontinental Championship, Becky Lynch defeated AJ Lee, eight minutes, 16 seconds, two and three quarter stars. Okay, and again, it's the same rating as the eight girl scrambled eggs, bullshit, which I mean, you know, he apparently he enjoys those multiple person kind of matches, but if you're grading a wrestling match, just the fact that this was at least one on one had a major head start on, you know, eight girls in a meaningless eight minute match, but Dave can be day. Unfortunately, the next match, there was no star rating here. It must have been a printing error. Gunther defeated Seth Rollins, 15 minutes, 46 seconds, no rating listed. Oh shit. Well, then how, how are we going to correct the official record on this? Are they going to print some kind of updates to make sure that they get this and enter it into the computers in Washington? I don't think Dave could have let his star rating slide here. We'll see what happens. Liv Morgan defeated Stephanie Vaccaire to win the WWE World's Women's title six minutes, 43 seconds, two stars. So strong by God. We're getting into old Weasel Dooley territory when when rating a Plowboy Frasier match now, aren't we Brian? Jesus Christ. It's so interesting to looking at Dave writing the times because I hadn't thought of it. I saw the list of, you know, how much total time was spent in the ring versus on commercials or whatever it is. But I've always been a big advocate for a lot of these big events and a lot of Tony's events where not every match has to go 20 minutes and I love WrestleMania three and that's a special event, but there are matches that went just a few minutes. Yeah. They're doing it. They're doing six minutes and 43 seconds. The problem is, yeah, there's several matches here that have gone under 10 minutes on a show with what six matches. Well, yeah, see, that's the thing is the the old formula was shorter matches, except in the main event, even in the attitude era, the times are similar, but keep it fucking moving and you would have. By the time you were finished with a two hour and 50 minute window, you would have had a good portion of it would have been the wrestling because it was a fucking pay-per-view with no commercials. Now their time is longer and the number of matches is lower and the time of each is shorter. So. But nevertheless, he should have given at least Stephanie an extra half a star because she didn't give Morgan brain damage again. But she's still maybe just being sexist. Have you saw that Morgan, her eyes are still messed up from getting Oh, yeah, ever happened. Oh, yeah. No, it with that kind of bleeding in her forehead. And then that's why the eyes get darker before when you get a black eye before they get lighter because the blood continues to settle and pool and everything and blah, blah, blah. It take a few weeks. Well, Jim, we're finally here. The main event of night one and by and by the way, and by the way, hold on here now that you see it on paper. One, two, three, four of the four matches before the main event. Three matches were girls matches that went under 10 minutes. Yep. And then we got the main event. Cody Rhodes pinned Randy Orton to keep the world title their WWE title. I should say 22 minutes, 38 seconds, three and a half stars. I don't know. You know, he's I don't have a problem with that. Well, he's he's using the old scale kind of from long ago to grade the WWE matches and then. A. W. gets an extra six because they're his friends. I don't know. He can do this realistically if he tries except for again. It may have been that he just overrated drew and five to because Jesus Christ looking at that undercard that may have been four and a quarter. Well, Jim, let's go to night two. Oh, but Femi defeated Brock Lesnar four minutes, 44 seconds for star match. You know, for what it was that again, you can't really argue because the stars and the quality of a match has never been about the length of it. I just have one of these mark rating systems. They like if a match is under five minutes longer, whatever, they don't give it a fucking rating. Jesus, Bruno beat Rogers and 48 seconds. Do you think a match can be five stars if it's under five minutes? Not Dave scale per se, but just in general. Would you have an issue with that? You know, it depends on what they do and how they do it and who's doing it and how the people take it all together. And you know, in some cases. You, you know, the thought process is, well, it wasn't really a classic match, but good God, look, because this wasn't a classic, what do you mean a classic match for Brock? But because it was exactly what people wanted. And what they should have done. And I, as I again, I said. They could have given us another, you know, another F five or a power slam or some bullshit. But for what it was, it was what they needed to do and what people wanted to see and they didn't shit the bed doing it. Nobody fucked anything up. So yeah, I can agree with that. Jim Penta retanned the intercontinental title in a ladder match over Javon Evans, JD McDonough, Ray Mysterio and Dragon Lee and Rusev. 15 minutes, eight seconds. Wow. Four and three quarter stars. Almost right. Here we go. He loves it when. And could you just take him to the zoo and take him to the monkey cage and he would be entertained for hours by watching him swing around on the fucking trapezes and the things. It. If you I, I, I, if you're a newer fan, I can understand because they've been doing it so long that now it's just accepted like it's a thing that should be done. But the six man ladder matches with all of the stunts and the tables and the fucking tricks that they do. If you're a fan of wrestling from Dave's era, which is my same as mine. This is the kind of shit you go take a piss. It, but he so desperately wants to fit in with the kids or whatever that he has or that this is now he's comparing it to a certain D so lay or a America's got talent production on tour where they just do stunts and tricks and it's not anything to do with the, with the wrestling. Well, what Dave wrote was this was great stuff. Even better when you consider they were having to rush through because of time constraints, but the talent here really put on a show and this was some of the most underrated guys in the company. Almost five stars there. Trick Williams won the US title from Sammy's ain seven minutes, six seconds, three star match. Now he comes back to reality. Two guys, they've got an issue. They're turning Sammy trick is getting over. Trick gets the fucking wind. They have a again, technically a nice match and even little yachty doesn't come off like a celebrity stuck in a thing. He comes off like a guy that trick is hanging out with and he done getting away. It's three stars, very athletic, very, very good. Not very evil, but very good. He's back to normal. Jim, the demon. Finn Bauer, the exact opposite of being back to normal. Dominic Mysterio in a street fight. 10 minutes and 26 seconds, three and a half stars. Hey, yeah, I think it's a little, I would have said the same thing. Yeah, there's three stars, but it's not far off. But you know, I just, I don't get the demon business, but I like Dominic and the core of that another garbage match. Well, we see that stuff every week, but again, nobody actively exposed the business with their phony shit or hospitalized their opponents. So three stars. Jim, a match that you didn't pay much attention to. Rhea Ripley won the WWE women's title from Jay Cargill. 10 minutes and eight seconds, three and a quarter stars. And no, remember, I watched this one because I wanted to, it's, it's Rhea and I wanted to see and I said it was one of the better matches that Jade has probably had and I hope this over with. But nevertheless, um, I mean, again, this, you know, I would have said this was a little bit better than the other girls matches. Just if I was. Good to say that. And that's what, you know, again, he's, he's, he's not overly fawning fallatio in unless it's the kids doing the stunts. Well, finally, Jim, Roman Reigns won the WWE title from CM Punk. 33 minutes, 56 seconds, five star match. Haha. Well now. So he had, and he had to even give it to punk. He's, he had to give it to punk and he hates giving anything to punk. But now the question is, was it five stars because of, of the match or because that everybody, all of his readers probably told him that this was the only thing that saved a second night and he had to fucking say that whether he wanted to or not. I don't know. I'm looking in the observer. You didn't watch dynamite. I'm presuming correct. You are, you are correct. And I know what they, I know what they've done to my boy. Well, he used to be my boy until I disowned him MJF, but otherwise than that. No. Darby Allen defeated Tomaso Champa 18 minutes, five star match. Dave wrote this was probably the match of the week. Oh Christ. So they were both five stars, but that one was probably the match of the week over the fucking only match on WrestleMania that kept the people from setting the seats on fire between the two biggest stars in a company. Yeah, I don't think you can compare punk and Roman main eventing WrestleMania and having a classic to Darby and Champa and Portland in front of 3000 people. It's just not a fair comparison. Obviously Darby and Tomaso really, really put it all out there. And those are the star. Righty then. Well, that's I mean, try to make sense of this. If it's if it's the same person. You can't. It doesn't make sense. And again, I would think somebody with the experience that Dave has in watching the wrestling and being from my era also as far chronologically, if not mentally. Part of the problem that I have that most fans that weren't even in the business, but from my generation have is that so much of the AEW shit and the indie shit and the stuff that he says is so creative and oh, it's so cutting edge is in a match where the people are so fucking sloppy and half the shit they do is either fake or don't make sense. That it fucking kid. That's what kills it. It like the the Hippocratic oath of wrestling first do no harm used to be first make it look good. If you came make it look good, don't do it. Don't stand there like two nitwits balancing on a fucking clothesline helping each other looking scared to death while you're goddamn supposed to be in a fucking fight. There's one thing. Here's another thing. Fuck you. That was the other thing. What were we talking about? 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And and by the way, should we even talk about now that they admitted it was a work as soon as everybody I guess figured out was it was a work, but in some fashion or form, Seth Franklin Rollins and some. TV some Mr. TV announced like Ernie Ladd would say on the NFL program got in a fake shoot and Seth stormed off the show only then to come back out later on and hug the guy and it was all a work. We fooled you all. Do you care? No, I don't care. I'm getting a little sick of these workshoots on other shows or wrestlers in character on ESPN. I just this stuff's getting to be too much. They just did a worksheet with Cameron and J. So a week ago and now Rollins is going into business and doing this one here. I don't think it helps people who aren't wrestling fans of every time they see a wrestler, they're doing some kind of fucking wrestler thing. I don't know. Well, but actually in this case, I think. I think it's the other way around. Seth was trying to be real by not being a wrestler, but the other guy was trying to be real back and like a fucking wrestler acts. And so it was immediately phony to me because of not only of how it wasn't entertaining or good, but nobody would actually act this way. The host was actively insulting wrestling and wrestlers in front of the guest who apparently they've been on before and suddenly he's going to go off on this tangent and then Seth is just okay to get his phone and walk off and just like I was like, this is the worst fucking shoot I've ever seen. And then they come back out and hug. The problem is it's going to make the regular viewers. It TKO and now ESPN and all these TV hosts and they see Maca Fee doing it. And we'll talk about Maca Fee basically being run out of the business by the fucking response that he got doing this angle. But their fans, their regular fans, the football fans, the sports show fans, the people who don't get the red, they're going to get tired of this wrestling thing being shoved down their throat and everybody acting like a fucking wrestler, but the people in TKO and ESPN and the hosts that are getting this opportunity. This is the modern day equivalent of finding a radio angel, which back in the old days was a you could find people at radio stations, obviously, that just disliked wrestling as a goddamn matter of principle like, you know, in all walks of life. But most of the time you would find that the radio people were more accessible to wrestling than the TV people because the radio people always wanted to get they nobody knew what they looked like. They were their voices were known, but they wanted people to know who they were, they could get on TV or they could go to the show. They could be somebody people would see them. They have no audience, right? They have a big audience, but they got no live audience. Well, now it's the same goddamn thing, but these people have audiences, but now they get to act like these people that they've watched it. You see what I'm saying, Brian? To where it's it's thrilling, whether it's thrilling, the TKO people that are trying to get involved in creative because they want they think, oh, my guy that I represent that I agent is perfect for this wrestling thing and he's going to be the next alone in the movies and all that blah, blah, blah, or oh, this crossover, this age demographic. We need some of these people. So we'll get high show speed to kill one of our wrestlers. Whether it's that kind of interference or just the interference of all the the show hosts and the assimilated personnel that now get to act like wrestlers and do wrestling shit with wrestlers. The fans aren't going to like it, but they're fucking regular viewers are going to hate the fuck out of it. There's my point. Yeah, I agree. But that comes to the other part of what I was going to talk about today. Also, while we're on the subject of these people, at least Ari made sixty seven million. The Morris made forty two million. The people, the boys, all the boys and girls, all the talent at WrestleMania weekend are had horror stories and were up in arms and were physically involved in altercations with. The various fans and I know some of them you can't call fans, but they're all in various points. They're celebrities and they were mobbed by people with very little assistance from the WWE, apparently. And at the hotel, the casino, they're part of the this major casino, so they can't just take the whole place over, but they couldn't somehow provide any way for the guys and girls to get back and forth un molested. And there was multiple incidents over that and a bunch of guys. And as I said, and complaining about it. And the this is a complete opposite. Brian of the most dangerous place for us in a territory days used to be from the time we left the locker room, went to the ring, had to match the time we came back and then getting out of, as I've mentioned many, many times stories about getting out of the parking lot. But otherwise than that. You know, that that was not an issue. Now it's not people are wanting to hurt the guys and tackle them and kill them or stab them because of the bad things they've done. It's a spur of the moment thing. It's that now they've the WWE has made these people celebrities and they can't go anywhere without being recognized. And now they just throw them loose the middle of a fucking Las Vegas casino with thousands of people wanting fucking autographs and expect there's not going to be issues. How can they make a combined two guys made a hundred million dollars last year together, but they can't spend what 50 grand on security? What would it have taken? It's an interesting thing. I don't know how this compares to previous years. We've heard a lot of stories come out about complaints from the talent that there wasn't enough security specifically at the hotel, but not just there and everyone from active wrestlers to their families to legends that were in town have all had stories about being harassed, bothered, stalked at times by weirdo fans. It's interesting this year. I mean, unless I'm wrong about this, I believe it would be the least amount of international travelers they've had. Yeah. A lot more domestic rich people, I guess, paying for well, and they said there were people from they said there were people from 69 countries, but it could have been two people from the Isle of Man. So, you know, that many people have remarked about the lack of accents. And I think just the musical performances that weren't done in the audience alone indicates less foreigners. I saw a video TMZ had a CM Punk slapping a phone out of a fans hands. Apparently the fan had again. I don't know what word you want to use. Stalk bothered AJ Lee and Bailey. Well, Bailey and AJ were talking and trying to hug in the hotel corridor leading up to the fucking elevators. And there's this person with the phone is coming in and trying to record not only them hugging, but what she was saying to her in private and during their hug and they moved away to get away from it and the guy followed them. So it came over a pal. Here you go. And he was right. Nevertheless, and he was right to do that. I have no problem with that. There is an element of the fan base right now that does not see barriers, does not see barricades. They'll show up at the airport no matter what time. It gets to the point where there are even some psychotic fans that show up at the houses of talent. We've seen that everyone from Arne Anderson, the Randy Orton. We've seen video. I'm you. It happened to you. Someone showed up here fucking hours and just thought somehow this is acceptable. I'll just show up here and ask for a bunch of free autographs. It's really bad to end. They're sticking a phone right in your face. If you're at the hotel, WrestleMania weekend and your talent, you don't need someone sticking a phone in your face when you're walking in the lobby or anywhere you go. Well, here's here's the thing. They don't understand because it's just well, it's just I just wanted to, you know, get a picture or whatever. But yeah, but you're one of how many take a look around you. The problem is well, one of the problems is is that especially at WrestleMania or at any busy time of, you know, busy show schedule. These guys are going from this place to that place. And if you get to the hotel, you got to get to the room. Maybe you got to turn around and go right back or maybe you got to eat something because you got to be here or whatever. It's not just stopping for you. If I stopped for you, then I got to stop for the next three or four people that come up and then here come six or seven and then you've got to be the heel and piss people off because you can't do that and blah, blah, blah. And so everybody's just thinking about it's well, it just was. Yeah, I just wanted a picture, but it was also 50 other people or whatever. That's one thing. And secondly, as you know, as you said, to be just swarming and, you know, and chasing and blah, blah, blah is not cool. But again, that's not where they're supposed to be sitting down and talking to everybody. They're trying to get up to their rooms. They can take a shit and go to where they're supposed to be sitting down and talking to everybody before they get fined for being late. But that's where the fuck at the office is apparently making a few dollars these days. So they should have had and this is what it's gone from. It's gone full circle because. I mean, in the real beginning days, the guys just stayed in whatever fucking hotel and town that would give the boys a rate or whatever was close to the airport or convenient, whatever, even a big show. And then it gradually became by the time I was there, Vince was say, OK, we'll get all the guys rooms at this particular hotel or whatever. Oh, the one in Chicago was across the street from Rosemont Horizon. And we were there for nice hotel. I can't remember what the fuck it was for WrestleMania in. What was that? Whatever year in Chicago, 97. But that was kind of the start of people figuring out that they could go to the hotel and, you know, the 90s where they'd hang out and try to get autographs. But then by the time that the business got big in the 2010s, like what I was again in Orlando for the Hall of Fame deal, they had the WrestleMania hotel was this goddamn golf resort. I told a story at the time was a massive place and it was a high dollar place and from where you had to park your car to just walk to get to the elevator to even get to your rooms like two football fields. And they had security where they had floors for the guys and you couldn't. Nobody could get on that floor unless they had the pass because they had a blah, blah, blah. You couldn't even get a goddamn pizza delivered unless the guy had to. I was like, what the fuck? I just stayed three miles down the road to fucking Hilton Garden. And, you know, park right at the entry door. But they they went from kind of the same thing as going to the same thing as now as everybody fending for themselves to fucking all this security. And in the last couple of years, this thing's blown up. Everybody's celebrities now and they just throwing them in the middle of goddamn casinos expecting them to get their way across when everybody knows who the fuck they are and everybody wants to talk to them. I don't get it. How can you not have more coordination than that? Yeah, and if you're someone who sees a celebrity or a wrestler, and I understand if you see someone on TV, it's still a big deal. It's not as big a deal as it used to be, but you know, celebrities are celebrities. But if you feel the need to take out your phone and film them walking or eating or doing nothing but wanting to be left alone, you're the problem. And no one wants or needs that content. No one gives a fuck about seeing a wrestler walk to the elevator. Leave them alone, not just rest. Just anyone famous. What the fuck? You're not TMZ. You're a fan. Look in them. Bother a wrestler. Well, that's because they see this shit on TV. So they figure they're supposed to do the same thing. And somehow maybe maybe the wrestler will think, well, this guy's somebody because he's interviewing me for a blow me channel or whatever. Weird question because I don't know Vegas and you, I don't know the last time you were there, you may know it better than me, though. Is it a different hotel situation there than other places in terms of being able to secure the location and not just let anyone into the hotel to wander around? Don't you? Are you out of your mind? I've run shows in towns smaller than an individual casino. You can get anywhere except where they're storing their money. You can get anywhere in a casino if you're trying to to sneak. I'm probably not wheeling a fucking cannon in, but just to try to get access to see wrestlers or celebrities, it's unless the celebrity has a specific security detail, you can't block off any part of a casino or the hotel or the elevators. It's it's you're in a you're in an enclosed small town. And that's that we didn't used to have rooms and fucking casinos. At least I don't know. I wasn't there when they did. Trump Plaza or whatever for those WrestleMania's, but since had Trump's name on it, probably all the rooms were empty anyway. But no, I've I can't imagine how that they could possibly just say, OK, this is the WWE area of this goddamn massive complex. You got it to get from one place to another. You have to go. Well, that's the way they do the casino is when you go in the front door to get to where you check in, you have to go through the casino. Because they want any the whole life there functions on getting people to go through the casino. Anyway, well, probably the last mania that's so for a while. But see, that's the thing is it. It's it actually when I think about it, it's the exact opposite problem, but it's the same thing. The promoters now that nobody wants to. We hope fingers crossed. Nobody wants to shoot the guys or stab the guys or cut the guys or tackle the guys and beat the guys up because they're mad at them because they're heels. They just want to get free autographs and all this weird, weird personal contact that some people want to crosses the line. But in the old days, the only time that. They would change the building. You've seen them. Everybody's seen the pictures of the setups of the arenas in those days where I've worked places where there was literally five feet between the front row seat and the ring, and I'm supposed to stand on the floor and be the heal manager in front of four feet away from all these people can reach over and just tap me in the fucking head. Or the tight owl ways or the whatever. And the only time they would make a change is when the building had a lawsuit or the promotion had a lawsuit. No matter if that's why in New Orleans at the downtown auditorium in those old videos, you'll see that that bicycle rack barricade had New Orleans police barricade on it because that's much trouble in that building that the cops put that barricade railing up. It was I think 15 feet on all sides of the ring. So is the only building I really felt safe in. But it would take a problem to get them to change where we were fighting our way to the ring and or fighting our way back every night or that close to people getting us or hitting the ring with those little goddamn clothesline fucking ropes around the ring instead of railings. And it's going to take some kind of goddamn incident or lawsuit. Probably now. Now the safest place to be in the professional wrestling industry is between the the entrance ramp and the ring and back. Right. Then nobody can fucking touch you. You can see them coming a mile away. They'd have to be picking you off with a fucking high powered rifle from the fucking bleachers and nobody has any heat. So it's not like anybody's going to goddamn come across try to attack you. But then once you're out in public. It's like you're a goddamn movie star but you're just walking down the street with your fucking girlfriend and anybody can you know so it's that's what it's going to take maybe as an incident or a lawsuit to cost them some money. And so maybe we better keep an eye on these fucking people while they're out in public for us. Well that was WWE News. All right well Brian. I am again for the past week clean and sober from a W programming as far as a visual inspection. But there. There was one thing that I have to note not because of we're not going to critique the performance since I didn't watch it we're going to acknowledge that it happened. And I've criticized Tony's booking. Often in the past but this is I just don't understand how you can drop a ball that is set up on a T in front of you and left alone there for you to caress if you want. MJF was the champion. Whether you like it or not. And he disappointed me when he became one of them gobble gobble but he's even proven to the AEW fans that he can do the freak show matches. He can talk he's still over to that fan base despite all they've done to him. He's the world champion. And then you've got Will Osprey. Who whether again you like it or not. Out of the choices they've got. He's the baby face. He does ridiculous shit and he doesn't know what wrestling is mentally he thinks he's in a video game. But he's athletic. He's a nice looking young chap. If he slows down you can understand him he tries to have a personality. And the people like him. So it was made and you've got Wimbly Stadium in August. And you have a dream scenario as a booker where. Your top baby face that I just mentioned Will Osprey. Suffers not one injury but accumulated injuries that require surgery and it may be career ending. And it's a shoot. And then it's also a shoot that he recovers from that and he comes back and he can still do all this shit. So now you've got the chance for six months. And then you know that here is a W's in the grip of this fucking evil loudmouth obnoxious mother fucker MJF. And here is goddamn will Osprey who has battled his way back and even with the bad neck he piles up the winds that he's coming for MJF. And it's a redemption story my God we thought we'd never see him in a ring again. And then a month or a month and a half or whatever the fuck then you have MJF drop the son of a bitch on his head. In some meaningful way the first time it's been done. And then he's got well as a matter of fact two months out. And then he's got to come back and a fucking and he's going to come back against doctors orders. And boom. What how the fuck can you not do that. Help me. Maybe Tony believes that he could still do something big with those guys and just set it up closer to the date. What the fuck is the matter with him. This is will Osprey being kidnapped by the death writers is not something that AEW fans really want to see it's not about a heal doing something to a baby face it's about. Who wants this. Well that's the point I'm making. And first of all, he's got this story that he can tell and he ignores it instead. Just out of the blue for no apparent reason I'm sure some ridiculous reason at some point will come up. He just throws Darby back in there to win a match the title in an angle match for what out of the blue when he wasn't even figured into this thing like inserting McAfee but only smaller and confuses the issue and then Osprey does nothing but get beat. When on his big return he is beat. And then this past week. And again, a lot of people on the internet they were trying to defend and say what didn't. Didn't you know that M Jeff was going to make a movie why he's been on the on the sheets for months or whatever is it the tweet that it was you dumb shit he's still there. Not going to make a goddamn if he's going to make a movie. He was close enough to goddamn make Wednesday night and next week. You dip shits but like that that if he was going away to make a movie suddenly would explain just well let's just switch it out of the blue and a bullshit match. It was a person not involved in anything that we've done. But M Jeff comes out to cut a promo on Darby and his. His promo is interrupted by Kevin Knight. Who now think about this Kevin Knight is a champion at a W and M Jeff is not. Did you watch this. No, I didn't watch. Is the the the I've read the transcript of the thing. I didn't watch the show. Okay, because I had one of the monitors on mute. I was watching the Mets game. They ended up winning for the first time in a while. It was a big deal. But I went back and watch this. So let me just preface whatever you're going to say. M J F was fine here. Kevin Knight was embarrassingly bad as a promo like not ready for TV not ready for developmental like no one talked to him in advance. It was really, really bad. Really. He shouldn't be talking. Well, then there's a bigger problem because I said, I didn't watch it. I just I read the transcript of what happened. But just the point is, is that. M J F and they set up a match with Kevin Knight for next week. I assume hopefully. For M J F to win. But is it for his belt because then is M J F going to be the TNT champion now. And it would. But in the same program. Osprey wrestles Mark Davis, then tell me if you saw this. They did a doctor stoppage where Osprey couldn't continue. Against Mark Davis. So Osprey loses again. Mark Davis finally gets a win. The other person he's beaten as well as free. Hey, listen, they're milking the Will Osprey's hurt thing because he's just nonstop selling. And you believe it because you see how he works and he's covered in tape. So they're really going for that. But the result of this match and I wouldn't book any of this the way they're doing it. That wasn't the most troubling part of this whole thing. It was the post match. Well, then as you mentioned it earlier, understand that he was. Assisted by the big group of heels. Yep, they kind of dragged them off the way. You ever see the movie ghost when the evil spirits come and carry someone away when they finally die? It was kind of like they just took them off to wherever the fucking death riders go to. Not bore us. It's horrible. Horrible, horrible, horrible. So that's what I'm saying. They've taken the belt off MJF out of nowhere. Suddenly for no explicable reason in a match, you wouldn't even advertise days ahead of time. And now he's working with Kevin Knight, who's not ready for prime time. And Osprey has not only not one since he's been back, but they dropped him on his head enough in his return match that. Well, it's bullshit now to do an angle dropping him on his head because how could you do it anymore? He'd be dead if it was a problem. But now he can't even fucking make it through a goddamn match with a guy who hasn't beaten anyone without the doctor stopping it. So what they've told me is he's a physical fucking wreck and he shouldn't be the world champion. Not he's a goddamn athletic marvel and he should be the world champion. So what? And then they kidnapped him. Yeah, in a further AEW news, apparently Britt Baker was spotted in the crowd at the NFL draft wearing WWE merch. We'll stay on top of this story. It's happening as we are recording. Oh, good lord. Again, I tried to pay attention to what was happening on Dynamite, but knowing we didn't have to review it. I just kind of cared about like any angles where there was a promo involved, so I went back and rewatched the Kevin Knight MJF thing, which MJF shouldn't be winning the TNT title, but also if he doesn't win it, what the hell is this? The Osprey stuff is frustrating. The Darby match, which got five stars in the Observer, it was certainly a spectacle. It was certainly a pounding match. Another one of those matches. I didn't know how was Darby walking? But Dynamite's a, you know, when WWE, it's a sad state of things when WWE right now is what it is and AEW just remains AEW. Except now Tony's going with his instincts, which are to have Will Osprey kidnapped by the Death Riders before Wembley. Those are his instincts. Yeah, that was Dynamite. Any other Dynamite notes you have? Or is that it? No, that was, I just wanted to just compare the fortunes of the two people who should have been the main event for Wembley. And by the time that Wembley rolls around, I don't know if anybody will want to see him in the opening match. But they need an international star. That's what they need. They need somebody known internationally or someone from, not from here to go there. This is a transition I'm trying to do to the fact that Ric Flair is mad at a foreigner. Well, Ric Flair is mad at someone who's not Egyptian, which is a rarity lately. But on the other hand, he may not know exactly who he's mad at or why. Ric Flair appeared. I have not heard this. You see, you sprang this on me right before we were going to go on the air. Have you heard that Ric Flair was mad at so and so, but he's not sure exactly who he is. I said, what are you talking about? He said, let me just play it for you on the air. It's what you said. So I don't know what's going on here. And what he's going to reference, I'll tell you that is when in an awkward segment on SmackDown we reviewed last year, Tiffany Stratton and Charlotte Flair went at it and Tiffany brought up that Charlotte's been divorced and then Charlotte said that Ludwig Kaiser was jumping into her DMs. Yes. I remember we talked about that and that's where and Tiffany had done the slide out real quick. So Charlotte couldn't get a shot at her and and then everybody thought they were going to shoot and then they didn't shoot. And since that time, Ludwig Kaiser real name Marcel Barthel. See that just that fucking just pisses me off because I just want him to be Ludwig Kaiser. Well Ludwig Kaiser Barthel no longer together with Tiffany Stratton. They've moved on. He's actually dating the Latina commentator from AAA that we saw in the segment where he made the big save as El Grande. Wait a minute. So Ludwig Kaiser is from from Austria or Germany, one of the other, correct? West Germany. But yet first he had he had an American girlfriend. And now he's got a Hispanic girlfriend. He must be a very cunning linguist. One of his former nicknames that says here the International Coxman. Now, but let's get back to the story. So he's now in Mexico's El Grande, Americano, but all of this is the important backstory to where Rick Flair is about to talk about. He was on the Ariel Helawani show. And let's listen to this audio and see what he said. You know what I've accomplished. I know what I've done. I feel like and I do feel this way that I should have a red carpet or a red gold. And I'm not afraid to say that. I didn't I didn't get invited to WrestleMania this year. I threatened to beat up. I was a Tiffany Stratton husband. I sure I wasn't allowed to go a 24 year old kid being threatened by a 76 year old man. And I can't go to WrestleMania. Are you kidding me? That English kid. He's going to go as far and wrestling as a net. Let me stop it there. There's more. First of all, he's not English. Let's just say that is from Germany. He's 35 years old, not some 23 year old or whatever. So far he's wrong on both. But also, I'm trying to follow Rick's logic around that that loop there. So a 27 year old guy gets threatened by a 76 year old guy and I can't go to. Well, you're the one that threatened him though. I don't what's happening here. If any of this is true the way he's saying it, but let's go back to more from the nature boy. He'll be a fly on the wall in a year. What happened there? Well, they had that thing, you know, where Tiffany made a smart remark about after his divorces, which we both know she's not smart enough to have written somebody gave it a script. And then he applied that, you know, I'm just going based on social media. Once again, which is a lot that he was implying that he wouldn't bum one off Ashley. I went, okay, I need your number. I got it, which I can get anybody's number. I want any minute of any day. And I call them. I said, Hey, when I see, I'm going to beat the shit out of you. So you told Hunter and I wasn't allowed to go. All right, we will return to this. There is more, but let's stop it there. What did he say? What did Ludwig Kaiser say on? I have a hard time believing that he would say I wouldn't bum one off of that. Doesn't sound like terminology he would use. How did they say that in Austria? I'm looking it up to see. Okay. Okay. How did you look that up from a year ago? How is this from a year ago? Oh, Jesus. Ludwig Kaiser responded to being mentioned on SmackDown. He took the Twitter, Ted, Charlotte Flair posted a video of Sean Michaels telling Diana Smith, please do not flatter yourself. That's the angle you were a part of. Yeah. That was one of my lines. Ah, what? That's. Well, in that case, Stu called you and in this case, Rick called Kaiser. God damn it. You know, these, these angles say they never draw any money, but goddamn, they get the fucking family members all fired up. Jesus Christ. Yeah. And I, I don't want to do that whole long flowery response. I said, just please, Diana, just say, look at Sean in the eyes and say, you know, you want me and the fucking people went insane. Fuck you. But anyway, um, that. I'm sorry, but even for a person with my particular hair trigger temper and anger management issues, especially if I know that that's really Tiffany Stratton's boyfriend. And he probably felt some need to show some solidarity. Them ain't fighting words. Are they? On Twitter, a fucking clip. Well, here's the other thing. Do you want your dad calling someone up and jumping in the middle of it? Oh, well, not if a 40 year old professional wrestler of either gender do I would I want, you know, but besides that, again, it's not like, no, you're fucking twat stinks like a goddamn outhouse sewer. It was don't flatter yourself. Well, it made it sound a lot more. Well, what did Rick say? Yes, he said he was trying to say that the guy said he wouldn't bum a fuck off. He wouldn't bum. Yes. He was starting to say he wouldn't bum what like it was really came as that wouldn't bum a fuck off. You're used up bucket pussy. You who are well, he didn't say. He said the nice thing. I'm saying you're going to say anything. Well, you didn't really say anything. He just played a clip of something. Well, let's go back to. Other boy and now you're on a trying to do his best to get an answer or figure out exactly what Rick is saying. Let's go back to this. So since then there's he's going to really go far in the business. A 76 year old man. So the 24 year old kid is going to kick his ass. And where is he now? Is he even on a roster? Is this Ludwig Kaiser? Yeah, little punk. He's actually in Mexico right now. I'm sure he is. I hope he stays. So since then, since that interaction, you've been told to stay away? No, but I just, you know, and all is a sad to say, but because of the red chips, I have a guy like taker who's real. Austin who's real and all this. If you were behind the lines, like, even though I'm not there, I know everything because I know everybody. There should be a red carpet for me. A red carpet. Let me stop it for a moment. What does this have to do with Ludwig Kaiser? He's just talking about why he wasn't welcome to WrestleMania. Isn't Ric Flair under contract to AEW right now? Still, well, that's isn't that that turned out to be the bone of contention of the roots of fight clothing thing is that they're doing a deal with the WWE so that they remove people who weren't. Under contract or whatever the fuck I do. I don't know what the legalities were, but what is it? We just met a couple of weeks ago about that. So I don't. Well, there's a little bit more. Let's go back to the end of Ric Flair's thoughts from the area. Oh, I want to show please don't say it like the end of Ric Flair's thoughts. Don't say it on this subject. This was the last one he ever had folks to the front row. And that's how I feel about it. What my contributions in this business and the work that I put in hours, hours, hours. I'm trying to make wrestling something that it is today. And I got to have problems with politics. Give me a break. Come on. I mean, I'm not I'm not mad at anybody. I understand it's politics now. It's too much politics and not not enough wrestling. Well, there it is. Ric Flair on the area. I want to show. I it's undeniable what he's done for the business and I can't even say that he shouldn't have a red carpet rolled out for him. But I don't know if he's the one to be saying that about him. Is there an element of lack of humility to the poor people? I'll come on now. Should he be doing less interviews now? If he wants a better legacy, as they say, they should invite him to a show and obviously put out the red carpet. That's a big deal to him. And then moving Kaiser should go up to him and say, hey, Rick, let's go find that 20 something year old English guy you're looking for. I'll help. I'll hold the son of a bitch down when you kick him. Is he even on the roster anymore? Yeah, he's like the number one star in Mexico right now for triple. Well, good. Tell him to stay there. Well, there it is. At least that way. At least that way. If Rick remembers what he looks like he's going to be wearing a mask the next time he sees. Well, that's the a lot of listeners have sent that over. That's the Rick Flair on his thoughts about Ludwig Kaiser. Well, you know, a lot of people have thoughts. Brian is what they have before we go up. We'll close out with our review. If that's what you can call it. And we're giving smack down folks one more week before they piss us off too. Just so you know, because we've been so. Unimpressed by the raw after WrestleMania. That by the end of this program, we're going to tell you about the smack down after WrestleMania. If they don't do a better job, we might just start. Filing that one in the fucking. Circular file as well and stick to raw and. Maybe not raw, not dynamite. You know, Brian, here's what we're going to start reviewing episodes of the wonder years from 1988. I understand Jason Herve gave some stunning performances. But anyway, but the whole documentary series on Netflix, we're going to watch that. Oh, talk about that. I forgot. I forgot. Yes, we will. We'll watch that and say, as someone I know used to say, have I ever told you that story? You say yes. Well, how long has it been since I told it to you? The ending may have changed. We're going to see if they, which story they tell of Hogan on this one and we'll have that. What on the drive through. That's right on the program. That's right. Find out how many of Jim's photos from 1979 were used without permission in this documentary. You understand that's happening also, but. But anyway, here just real quick before we get to the final part of the program, I wanted to man. This is a legitimate open offer. Brian, this is this is a request for knowledge. I want to be educated from the people out there who. Keep records on these type of things. Because I want, I want to know this is this is a. This is not a self serving exercise. I want to know who the people are. That rate above me. Because I've looked this information up on last week and I was going to bring it up and I just didn't. It was something that. I had thought about. Because I keep getting the people on Twitter and the naysayers the cover the AEW fans ago. Well, his opinion doesn't matter. And it was it was started by, you know what, 10, 15 years ago. When the younger generation of some of the wrestlers didn't. Like the critiques I had of their performances. Instead of saying, you know what, maybe I fucking suck because this guy's, you know, kind of made a lot of stars and shit. They don't know what he's doing. He's a shit. And all of his companies have gone out of business. He doesn't know how to book and he's totally out of touch behind the times. Because he don't like me. Right. Specifically, it was the young bucks and cult cabana that spread this because it helped them. Well, and there were there were others that would hop on the gravy train with it and it went in that direction. But. But so I thought, OK, legitimately. Let's ask this question, Brian, you have a pretty good. A memory when it comes to wrestling history, but I open this to all the we've had so many people in the cult of cornethalisters out there that done research and said. You know, X amount of people went to this show and this did such and such rating. What are they do all kinds of research. So enlighten us. Who on the list of promoters and bookers. It is alive right now in the year 2026. And I know there's six billion people in the world. So it might be hard to track all of them down. So let's just go with. North America. United States and Canada. That way we're confining ourselves to around what around 500 million people. That'd be give or take a little bit approximately. That's the pool we're going for. Of those people who alive as a promoter and booker. Has drawn better than Jim Cornette's business. Now. You can't be. A multi million or billion dollar corporation. And remember we talked about this one. I mentioned this one. Brian Armstrong wrote dog quit left smack down. As it. The show is not probably going to get appreciably better or worse just because he's one guy. Even if he was good, he's filtered by bad or if he was bad, he's filtered by good. But you can't. Judge anybody's work as a booker unless they've been responsible for it themselves. Basically, if I made that point correctly, I think so. So. We're not talking WWE. We're not talking about WCW. Big corporations with. Changing rosters and. Giant fucking creative staffs, whatever the fuck. We're talking about. If you're so fucking smart. Either go out and start you a promotion as a promoter. Or get you a job as a booker. And do better numbers than this. In the wrestling business in the last 35 years. Since the closing of the territories except for Tennessee, which will. Mention. Pretty much the last 35 years. Who is on that list? That's fucking 30. You said 35. So yes, 1991. Well, even 1990, I mean, just 36 sounds like an odd number. Okay, so back to 1990, not counting. Vince McMahon, which is WWE. Or WCW. Which had Ted Turner's money. And to be quite honest. It wasn't like Dixie Carter was writing a check out of her checking account. Panda Energy. Which. Was worth at least in the hundreds of millions from what I understand was the. Corporate overlord and again, nobody was the booker. Obviously Paul Heyman is still breathing. So he's on the list. Well, I'll tell you what. Well, because I mean, we're talking about, what are we talking about big houses? Well, here's the thing. Since everybody likes statistics, because you can judge this in a variety of ways. And by the way, with Tony Khan. He's, he's not really a major corporation. But he's spent so far, regardless of what has come in. What what the revenue of AEW has been in the last six or seven years, we can probably. Easily believe he spent $750 million out, right? So. I'll even pay give Tony his asterisk and put him right over at the top of the paper. He's a class unto himself. Nobody has ever. Spent a tenth of the amount of money that he spent to get a wrestling promotion off the ground that nobody has ever done this. Let's let Tony be all by himself at the top of the page. Okay. This is a special case. I'm not even going to argue. And then no corporations except for Tony Khan, except well, because he's not, he's not a corporation. He is a billionaire. With a corporation behind him or at least a corporate office. No, but it's his father giving him money. So he's not, it's not a real fucking company. I got to invent something. That's the key. It's that patent. No, but that's the greatest fucking money there is. But that's what I'm saying. This is not like it's not like even when Vince McMahon was the chairman of the board and 80% shareholder and this blah, blah, blah. It's not even like Ari Manuel and Dennis Shapiro and all these other people in the TKO group. It's like he's got a billion dollars and he wants to spend it. And so it's a special case. It's never, ever happened before, but I will acquiesce to put Tony on the list right up at the top at his own little category. Are we talking promoters who booked or are we specifically talking about bookers who kind of did everything? Again, I will, I will give you an example because how do you compare me and Paul? I've mentioned before me and Paul are really the only ones that know what it, what it's like for good or bad to do shit like this for a long period of time by yourself. I went back and looked up my three biggest crowds in Smoky Mountain Wrestling and my three biggest crowds in OVW. And I would like to submit those numbers. And then I would like to figure out who besides Paul Heyman belongs on a list of individual people who have been the promoter and booker of shows that have been this successful. And who they are and what they did. And I mean, then you talk about how to compare success could. Smoky Mountain Wrestling lasted about four years. And we went out of business. Paul had ECW for what about seven years and he went out of business. But when Paul went out of business, he went to bankruptcy court. A lot of people were owed money. Whereas when Smoky Mountain went out of business, the older people that lost money were me and Rick Rubin. If you take as a percentage, Paul was in the whole eight million dollars in the bankruptcy paperwork, which is as I mentioned like four times as much as me and Rubin together lost during the whole four years of Smoky Mountain. So did I come out better because I lost less money? Either. My question is just saying there's different ways that you can that you can quantify. You know, was it successful or was it unsuccessful or the length of time it ran or whatever. OVW is still running today, obviously with different ownership as we've covered. But you know, I just went with OK. Booking and promoting a show and putting it together that put people in the fucking seats and sold tickets. Is what I'm thinking. Well, because I'm trying to think of candidates who would actually be someone I could pick. Giving you someone who I don't think we could say had more success than you, but just trying to come up with people from this period. Would Gabe Sapolsky be eligible or because he wasn't the owner? Is he not eligible? It gave Sapolsky would be eligible, but he didn't have these numbers. Right. I'm just trying to figure out who I'm allowed to. So it's a poll ski was a book or a company. They didn't have regular television, but they were doing regular shows. So I was with Smoky Mountain Wrestling. We were a regular regional promotion doing a weekly television show on broadcast television and running an average of three events a week. With OVW. We were really more localized, obviously just the Louisville market and you know this part of Kentucky. But we were still running a weekly television show and running an average of three events a week. With Gabe and Ring of Honor, they were running fewer events, but obviously more major events than on average than the OVW events, but they didn't have OVW's ability to draw the major crowds. And it was a ring of honor. Obviously it was much smaller than Smoky Mountain just being honest. Right. But Gabe would be on the list. And obviously he booked in other places, but still I don't think you can compare the two things. Who else would be on the list? Randy Hales. Oh, Randy Hales. Yeah, didn't think of that. Randy Hales because and here's the thing. Randy is actually, I believe, and that's why I'm going to give you these numbers in a minute. I know some people are going to what the fuck get to it because I want somebody who knows Paul's who studied the history of ECW to try to help us out on this. But Randy Hales, I believe, would be number three on the list behind me and Paul. Because the last regional territory, the left in the 90s, besides Smoky Mountain Wrestling, which started in the 90s, was the Memphis territory. And in that period of time where Randy was booking, they'd had rough early 90s. But Randy got the book and Brian Christopher was young and PG 13 was young and fresh and he got to what from 9495 the USWA and Smoky Mountain feud. He did the Memphis Memory show. They did 8000 people for that one, but they also did Memphis memories prices. It was like $3. But the point is he was drawing the biggest for the Mid-South Coliseum shows and some of the Louisville Gardens events. He was drawing the biggest non WWF or WCW crowds just because of the the buildings and the history of those two towns in the country. And just their ticket prices were because they were weekly towns were lower. But Randy is I think number three until we find a different one. What about Bert Prentice? Bert Renn a lot of shows Bert never ran. Here, let me give you these numbers. Bert didn't do these. For Smoky Mountain Wrestling. I was the promoter. I was the Booker and a performer as a manager. Our top three shows were the Sunday Bloody Sunday show, February 13, 1994, which was really a package show. So you can't call a main event, but Bob Armstrong and Terry Funk in the Texas deathmatch was heavily featured. 3,900 people did $31,080. The Night of Legends on August 5, 1994. I was there. And that was the Funk Brothers and Bruiser Bedlam with me against Road Warrior Hawk, Bullet Bob, Tracy Smothers and Ron Wright. Ron Wright in their corner. Ron Wright in their corner. Yes. A lot of people like, oh, you know, they try to say, well, Cornette, especially some of the guys that were pissed about it. Cornette brought in the WWF guys and they only came to the shows with the WWF guys were on the show. No, the biggest ones actually the only big, the only one of the big three that had a WWF guy on the show was the next one Super Bowl. But nevertheless, Night of Legends did 4243 people and $35,120. And the Super Bowl on August 4, 1995 with Buddy Landell and Shawn Michaels in the main event. Did 4287 people $37,775. Your totals there are 12,430 people and $103,975. And a dollar then is $2.20 or so now. So it would be the 200. So there's three shows that sold 12,000 tickets. And again, I'm willing to put the money over today because the financials have changed and ticket prices. But that's still three shows and sold 12,000 tickets and did the equivalent today of 225 grand at the gate. If I could say something about what you said before, but the WWE guys and people who say, well, Cornette, you had them. I was there. Shawn Michaels and the Undertaker didn't draw the house. It was about the way they were being used that made it effective. It wasn't just look at what WWE's crowds all around the country were in 1995. It wasn't Shawn Michaels will be here were guaranteed a crowd. It was the story of the match with Buddy. And really it was about Buddy. And then the Undertaker, you built him up. You had that blue oyster cult video that you loved so much. You know what I mean? Like it was about seeing him and you in a bomb. You know, I mean, it was about the way he was used, not just that the Undertaker is going to draw a house because I didn't expect them. They didn't draw houses in 95. Well, yeah. And I didn't just bring the match in from the devil. Oh, here's Lex Luger versus whatever the WWF match. I brought in a talent to wrestle one of my guys that it fit, whether it was Buddy Landel challenging for Shawn Michaels because he was the Intercontinental Champion or whether it was the Unabom facing the Undertaker because they're both seven feet tall and monsters, whatever. And then it had to fit. And then you've got people all over town seeing Smokey Mountain wrestling guys in competitive situations with some of the biggest stars in the business. And then we worked out finishes, but we just, we didn't particularly beat any of our guys if it unless it was the blow off or, you know, in the case of everybody went to see the goddamn, you know, Undertaker win or whatever. It was a mixture that made us different. But nevertheless, And by the way, if you came, if you bought a ticket expressly because the Undertaker and Shawn Michaels were there, the thugs in the heavenly body stole the show. So if you were there, And we got, we got people hopefully to come back then. Yes, because they were like, oh, shit, we haven't seen these guys before, but they were better than the other guys. That's the whole fucking idea. But nevertheless, we're getting, we're backtracking it. I'll say one more thing. If you go to the number four house in Smokey Mountain wrestling history, as far as number of people attending, that was August 20th 1993 in Knoxville. We had 2664 people paying $17,962. And I booked and promoted that and I was in the main event that was that was me against bullet Bob. So that's my record in Smokey Mountain. So if anybody for their top four shows of their promotion besides the fact that we were running a weekly television show on multiple broadcast outlets that ran for 200 episodes besides the fact that I was booking live events on an average of three days. A week in other markets as well as the all these big houses that happen in Knoxville. If you can compete with 15,000 tickets for your big four big shows, then write in and let's hear from you. I want to put you on the list. But I'm because I'm here and again, the whole premise of this is so many people are going to Cornette. I know what he's doing. Oh, Jesus Christ. So and so could do so much better and so well who has done better. But this is Brian. This is kind of it's way back there. And by the way, those shows are all bigger crowds than the majority of the dynamites we've seen this year. So, you know, for everyone, it says well now he's done well, it's not like they're drawing on the road. It's like being the nicest guy in prison. Now you're not complimenting me that much. But now here's the thing. I know some people are going to say that's 30 years ago. So let's crank it up a little bit because that was just that was a promotion that I started from scratch and cultivated the market. Let's go to OVW. I didn't start the promotion. Danny Davis did. So technically while I was part owner and did a lot of promotion, Danny Davis really figures as the promoter. He was always the boss of everything. But I was a booker in the television announcer and was even though I wasn't responsible for the entire talent roster like I was in Smoky Mountain. Whoever came and went was totally up to me. The WWE would send me a certain talent that I might have to make use of. But in return they would send me hopefully some guys that would help me out so that it would balance out. But I booked everything I did the announcing put all the shows together. So, and this is more recent. This is still this is 2000 and 2001. At my age that's very recent. What's a mere 20 or 30 years when you're this old. But filling those functions especially as Booker the Rock and Rumble June 23 2000 we did 2789 people at the gardens and drew $30,277 at the gate. That was literally five weeks after we actually got on full power television. And even though we had co promotions with clear channel radio on all of these events. Up until five weeks before that show. Nobody really knew we were on goddamn television in Louisville. Because it was a low power station that nobody watched. Anyway, six months later Christmas chaos we've talked about it many times January 31 2001 we did 5,010 people and 72,166 dollars at the gate. And then at the last dance on June 27 2001 when they closed the gardens. We did 3000 and 60 people to pay 52,619. Increased ticket prices. Whereas in Smoggy Mountain my top three shows sold 12,000 tickets did 100 grand. In OVW my top three shows did 10,859 people but drew $155,000 at the gate, which in today's money would be approximately 286,864 dollars. So if you don't want to compare records with me in Smoggy Mountain, then let's just make a list of all the individual motherfuckers that have gone in and taken over the book of a wrestling school, gotten on television and run three shows at a one year period that sold 11,000 tickets and grossed 150 grand. Alright Brian let me know who where you start. That Northeast wrestling is done well. They have like an annual show at a ballpark or something and they bring in all sorts of stars. You know what they have they have done. Yeah, I think they've done some two or 3000 people crowds up there Northeast wrestling was a Michael Brian. I think so. That's right. So again, I'm just telling you, if everybody's so much better at this than I am. AAA AAA in Los Angeles in 1990 what was that three for had the run where they ran the sports arena. IWC Ron Scholar was the legit even though he wasn't an owner of AAA who were the technical promoters of record of the company he was the promoter of those. Promoter of those events and what made it and they did 18,000 or whatever it's sports arena that have got a time or two and a couple of other big crowds. No they caused the traffic jam like they just they drew a bigger house than anyone expected and that was a big story. So but and Ron Scholar the promoter who was the book or does anybody know the book or was of AAA. It was Antonio Pena and Ron Scholar would give him thoughts about who we wanted on shows. That's how you had that one show where Vampiro was all of a sudden working with AAA guys which did not work out well and that's why Tito Santana was on the when worlds collide paper view because Ron would have a suggestions but it was paying you booking. Okay, but Pena's dead right. Pena's dead. Scratch him off. How's Ron doing? He's out of wrestling. He's doing great. But he's still alive. Yeah, absolutely. Good guy. So so he gets to go on the list as an asterisk. He wasn't the booker but he was the promoter. Paul Alperstein drew a lot of big houses. Oh, come on. In terms of people in terms of paid them to come. They were there. They came. No, you have to know. No, I was listing that the tickets sold and the gates not the tickets given out and people paid to come to sit in them. Sitting them. There are seats. So again, we're talking bookers more than promoters. Bookers more than promoters but all you know again. Poor Pena. He didn't make it but we've got. We've got Randy Hales. We've got we got Tony off at his own little category. We got me and Paul. We got Randy Hales. We got Ron Scholar with an asterisk and we got Gabe Sapolsky. 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Was it OVWU? Me. Well, they ran the gardens and I promoted it for them locally here in 2006 and it did like 30 grand. And that was the, that was the biggest house show that they had ever done at that point in time. Nevertheless, Eddie Gilbert was a good booker, but he didn't draw houses, especially, I mean, even if you ever go on based on 1990 and after he booked in Memphis, he booked in Dallas. When Dallas was dead, he booked in Philadelphia when they didn't draw. ECW was just starting up. So you can't put him on the list. Well, hold on. You just made me realize Puerto Rico. Maybe I was about as well, but I don't know about any business. I said, we have to write Dutchman Tell down because I just thought about Puerto Rico. And I don't know the details, the ins and outs of, you know, what they drew, but, you know, there was a reason he was down there for a while and he was making money. Well, yeah, with Puerto Rico, it could be feast or it could be famine. You could cite that they did a ballpark show that had 12,000 people in the next week, you know, they were in front of 300 people in a fucking bull ring or whatever. And Dutchman Tell basically because of a variety of different places, whether it had been the times he'd booked in Continental or Florida early on in the 80s or Puerto Rico in the 90s. I don't know about the business records, but definitely he belongs on this list. So again, we've got Eric Embry. Oh, come on. I'm just naming bookers. I'm just thinking of bookers. Who else booked? You know, Lee or Garibaldi was dead. Who else booked? It's got to be someone who booked Wendy. Paul Heyman, Dutch Paul Heyman, Dutchman Tell, Randy Hales, Gabe Sapolsky, Ron Scholar with an asterisk as promoter. Somebody else had to come on people. I can change the wrestling. You know. Oh, come on. You see, that's the point. That's where we are today. All right. Then what are their top three crowds? Because I won't compare even with some mud show. I won't necessarily compare gates, as I said, with anybody because this is 25 and 30 years ago and the finances have changed. But on top three crowds, I will compare my record with either of my companies where I was to the decision making person and not part of a group with anybody walking around out there today. And I say, like I said, I think it's me, Paul Dutch and Randy Hales. So if anybody wants to join the party, go ahead and do this shit. Otherwise, blow me. Let's let's see anybody that's willing to do a little research and come up with something. Who else beats those totals for their top three shows and their promotion, wherever it may be. Pro wrestling gorilla. Oh, they ran a building that seated 400. I drew. I drew 10 in one night. Multiple time. You know what? Hold on. Well, no, because they got that sting retirement show. I was going to say, remember when we compared the they sent in the research on the Bucks main event top three shows that they drew that they may have ended on. And it was 18 for Sting's retirement, 10 for another one, and then five or four maybe. So 33. I promoted fucking seven shows here that drew just about the same number of people as their entire main event career. Anyway, this will be an interesting. I'm waiting to be blown out of the water with all this competition I've got, Brian. We will see what happens. Some research for the listeners to do. And you know, by the way, Brian, before we go any further, I must mention that all of those events that I mentioned that I promoted or and or booked. Made five figure profits for whichever company. That it was OVW or SMW. So it's not like, oh, yeah, well, he drew those people. But what did he spend? So there you go. Because we've seen promoters draw nice. I mean, Joel Goodheart drew some nice houses. Did he make it? He went out of business on a sellout. He like fucking he drew 40 grand for an independent show in Philadelphia in 1990 when you couldn't do such a thing. He went out of business on the way to Buddy Rogers versus Buddy Landell. Yes. And who was God damn it? Was it Tony Hunter? I don't want to accuse him. It might have been snow. It was somebody else that was drawing big houses in Virginia at one point, like 15 years ago or whatever. And then just went away. I'm trying to think Marvin Ward. There are Doug Ward, Doug Gibson, Doug Gibson. Fucking hell. I haven't thought about him in forever. Is he still around? No, there were a lot of people looking for him at various times. I know, but usually he reemerged years after that each time, right? Every time I don't know that we're looking for him, he disappeared for a short period of time and then reemerged and booked some big star against him. And I don't think I think he's submerged this time instead of emerged. I don't think I've seen him in a while. But yeah, he did the pay-per-view with Kevin Nash and Ricky Morton. Oh, that's right. Yeah, remember? Right. But when he came to a Terry Funk in Waynesboro, Virginia. Well, he was from Waynesboro, Virginia. Is it too soon? I haven't told the story in maybe five years. We've got younger kids in the audience now for the age two to sevens out there. So years ago, when I was running Smoggy Mountain Wrestling, Waynesboro, Virginia, and there's another town up there close to it that our TV, I think from Harrisonburg, Virginia was hitting, but we didn't. It was a long way from Knoxville and we were sending Sandy Scott all the way up there to blah, blah, blah. And Doug Gibson, which is the name he was using to wrestle on his own little independent shows that his father ran for him at the time, contacted us and said, hey, I'll run you a weekend up here Friday and Saturday. So booked the guys and all promote shows and blah, blah, blah. Okay. We put him on the car. And we even did a rib. He came down to do local promos for it. And they introduced who was doing the promos. I can't remember who it was. Brian Matthews, whoever. And here he is. Doug Gibson to talk about Waynesboro and he starts doing the promo and then Robert Gibson comes out of the corner and says, this is a little prick claiming to be my cousin. Oh, no, I have the video of it. I know exactly. That's right. Because we saved it, right? Yeah. Well, the thing was Doug Gibson gave the promo of his life that he's been practicing for and waiting for. And now I've got a chance. It is a camera and a microphone and an interviewer and I could do it and I could show this whole room of people I admire that I'm ready to hang with them. And he gave this promo. And then I think it may have been Brian Matthews still may have been Tommy Noe. I'm not sure. I think it was Brian Matthews. He goes, and now here they are, Ricky and Robert the Rock and Roll Express and Ricky's about to talk and Robert stops him and Robert never talked in these promos. Oh, who the fuck's this guy called himself Gibson? And then the next thing you see is you run across the camera laughing. Oh, God, well, the point is the. And then there was a fake Anderson and then he had a Roger Anderson, right? Oh, yes, yes. And because Roger Anderson, it was an homage to the Anderson brothers because he was from Virginia and North Carolina. But it anyway, bald. He was like, I have a bald guy. I'll make him an Anderson. The laugh ended up on us because we did the we redid the promo, right? And it was like a week and a half or two weeks ahead of the shows. He called me and he said, well, we can't run us. What are you talking about? Apparently he had run some fucking other show on his own with some big star that they paid to come in so he could work with him and it didn't draw shit. And his father cut him off and said he couldn't run anymore shows. And I'm like, you motherfucker, I didn't ask you to run this other show. You came to us. We got a deal. We promoted this blah, blah, blah. So that was one period of time. I didn't see him for about 10 years after that. And then he was the knucklehead that I was in a. I don't mean to turn this into the Marvin Ward hour, but I was at a fan fest or a show somewhere. When they were going to do that fucking. Riggie Morton, Kevin Nash, pay per viewer, whatever. And he was going to run another big event after that. And he was like like two or three aisles over from me and I'm doing my own thing. And so one of the boys or somebody came over and say, Hey, Marvin Ward, really wants to book you on that show. What's fuck Marvin Ward? I want you to come to whatever but fuck Virginia. I said, tell him I'll do it for five grand because I was still working and traveling in those days. And the guy came back and he said he'll do it. I said, what? Just sit down and say, don't know who I'm going to manage or what I'm going to do. He'll just pay me five grand and just be there. I said, of course he said that. So I actually talked to him on the phone about it. And the after, you know, the show was over and everything. I said, Marvin, if you really want me to come to wherever for five thousand dollars, I'll do it, but I need X in advance and and then why? When I show up and the blah, blah, blah and the reservations and whole nine years, OK, no problem. And then X never came and he had always going to be and then I never heard from him again. And he didn't run that show and he was gone again somewhere. I think as a matter of fact, at one point, when when did that John Cena movie come out? Which one? The Marine or the one with Amy? The original one, the Marine, I guess it was. They blew up a bunch of shit in that, right? I believe I believe so. He was the Marine. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Marvin Ward actually paid me and Dennis Connery. Two thousand six. Two thousand six paid me and Dennis Connery to come up there and give him advice on how to run his a fucking show and a fucking promotion and a lot of line took us all. And Teresa was with Dennis and Stacy was with me and took us all to see the Marine and paid for the tickets and literally paid us like fifteen hundred bucks a piece to have a meeting with it. And never listen to any goddamn thing we said. All right, this has been easy paydays with Jim Cornette. What? Who else paid you to do nothing? What a good role here? Well, I mean, no, I did something. They just didn't listen. But anyway, speaking of people who are not getting paid anymore to do anything. Boy, what a goddamn transition there. You know, times are tough, Brian. We've heard about it. They're cutting back. They take it to the water coolers, taking out a Titan Tower again. Thirty years later, they're doing it. That they're cutting corners. You know, the revenue just didn't come in. Fuck, I don't think they grossed more than one hundred and fifty million dollars last month. And they've had to make the the tough choices to to I guess since their family instead of employers and employees, it's a W.W.E. family. Have have they disowned some of their children now? Well, it's not like you're being let go. It's like you're being sent away from home because W.W.E. is home. It's everyone's home. It'll always be your home. Except when they send you away from it and they won't feed you anymore and you don't have a place to sleep. We do they get to take their clothes when they leave home, Brian? They don't get to take their name when they leave home. Give me your fucking driver's license, too, on the way out. We just talked earlier this episode about the compensation for the executives of TKO, the parent organization of W.W.E. and U.F.C. Dwayne Johnson got six hundred and ten thousand dollars in travel reimbursements. How many of these salaries would have been covered under that? Definitely. Well, actually, the the the NXT ones, they say now the average there is about a hundred grand, which ain't bad to go to school. But some of these fellows and females were on the main roster and. They were making a bit more than that. And when you look at the list, you wonder why. Well, I have the list here. Would you like to go down and give your opinions on some of that? I don't want to go down on any of the people on this list, but I'll talk about them. Again, some of these are pretty surprising. I know you're not a fan of hers, but she's been used pretty prominently on raw. Kyrie Sane, who's been a part of the whole thing with Oscar and E.O. Sky. Kyrie Sane. Maybe. Maybe. Sanity is prevailing. How long before she is Kyrie Hojo again and an AEW? She has to be one of the ones I would think if she wanted to stay in the states, I would have to think Tony would want her. Good Lord, I'm sure. You know what? Is she fell or is she? Is there like any of the heat between her and the other Japanese girls over there? Maybe we don't know about that. That might be a problem. Well, Jim, another couple names on this list. I'll give them together again, somewhat surprising because of how they've been used. Alistair Black and Zelina Vega, who were married. Both released on the same day till death do us part, they say. Well, you kind of figure that if they're going to let one go, they probably figure the other one will probably get mad and be bummed out. So just make a clean break of it. But I mean, I. I've never understood any appeal of Alistair Black, Malachi Black. The fucking spooky thing that he was trying to do that. Or, you know, maybe if he was like John Karadine or someone, he could get away with it. But I just it's been I don't know what the fuck to think about it. Remember when they had the entrance? It was at an A.W. where they would. The lights would go on and off and they would be posed in different places in the goddamn. Oh, that was A.W. Here they do the I here they do the entrance that. Cross and Scarlet were doing. They got released and then all of a sudden Alistair and Zelina kind of got their role, even though, you know, they obviously are really married. But he was Malachi Black and A.W. Got over pretty big early on in the feud with Cody. Eventually, whatever the problems were, he wasn't there a lot. And you started to hear rumors that he didn't want to be there. Do you think he's going to go back to A.W. with Tony? Give him another chance? Well, I mean, Tony will do anything for anybody if they talk to him nice, because they're his friend. So that's the issue is. What the fuck difference is it going to make? Yeah, he's one of the guys I don't get. I think Zelina Vega is really talented, but she hasn't been used well in quite a while. She's been there a while. Maybe we'll miss her if she goes away and she could come back. I'm going to try to give you all these names at once. You can give your thoughts about them individually or together. Uncle Howdy slash Bo Dallas, Nikki Cross, Dexter Loomis, Rowan and Joe Gacy, collectively, formerly known as the Wyatt Six. Have there is a guy. This has been a complete mess. And. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking that they could do. Bray Wyatt was over. Bray Wyatt was popular. I didn't particularly ever get Bray Wyatt either, but he was the fans loved him. But this was like a fucking. You know, a bad Led Zeppelin tribute band type of thing where it was just all characters from his universe without. Any meaning or rhyme or reason they weren't invulnerable anymore, but they were still spooky, but they were the I. Individually Dexter Loomis has had size and a look and something about him. If he could ever turn on the personality because sometimes the lack of personality has been a gimmick. But that. That whole thing with him and Gargano, remember when they were doing that in NXT, it just he's. He needs to have a complete new package and presentation. There's talent there. If it looked and acted and was called completely different things. Joe Gacy, I never understood he should be in. A.W. because he's known with these Pudgy indie looking fucking guys that you would think would fit right in there. Nikki Craw, I don't know what the fuck of a Bo Dallas is probably a nice kid and a good worker, but he know just come back as your own deal sometime. So that'll probably and Rowan. Oh, they'll get Rowan won't they over an A.W. because he was. Friends with Brody. Other than a few one off appearances, they didn't get him after Brody passed away. You would have thought maybe they would have done something. He was on the tribute show right after. I think he made another appearance later on. I could think of at least two different appearances. But for whatever reason, they didn't bring them in. Well, then maybe everybody here needs to shop a fine. Build your own business. That's right. We trust them. You can to shop a fight.com slash JCE. I already saw something that Jim that someone sent us earlier. Vince Russo apparently went to Twitter. I think it was Twitter and he said, W.W. He completely dropped the ball with the Wyatt Six. He hopes that there is room for them to come to J.C.W. So you do it right. So he could do the Wyatt Six. Oh, my God. I hope they take them out. I would hope that I would hope that since they've been working for the W.W.E. for some time that they have saved enough money that they wouldn't have to lower themselves to fucking. The county fair side show just that quickly upon being released. Well, Jim, another name who I think was earlier this year, maybe last year we talked about, they made a big effort to resign him when it appeared he was out the door. Perhaps maybe to keep him away from CMLL. Well, who knows? And then we heard he was hurt recently, but that doesn't stop them from releasing people anymore. Santos Escobar has been released. Pablo, we barely knew you. Santos. Well, whatever. Um, I mean, in all honesty, is is anybody going to notice if you hadn't told him? He has not been on the main roster shows. I want to say it's at least over a year. He was pretty good with the LWO as a baby face and then as a heel. And then they just didn't do anything with him. It's amazing. He would get released and some of those other LWO guys are still there. It's amazing. Gargano is still there. I mean, there's a few names that I'm so glad about this list, but let's go back to this list. Gargano has to have pictures of somebody in high ranking places. OK, in embarrassing situations, because else wise. How the fuck? Jim Chris Saban and Alex Shelley, the Motor City Machine Guns. You know, I hate it for those guys because they're good workers. They're technically proficient. They've been in the business forever. They got a ton of experience now. They're hard workers. They're good employees. But what the WWE is doing now these days. You know, they would probably be the best addition to AEW. Because some they're not young guys, but they look young, athletic, fit in shape, and they still have experience and they can work with the kids, but they know how to do shit so they're not going to kill people. And they might be able to slow a few of those suckers down over there to where they can. Get some matches out of. So if Tony really wanted to fucking add to his roster of all the releases, these the only two guys that would really up the quality of the end rank. Well, we'll see. It's a surprising run. I was surprised when they got signed and they had a pretty good little run. They got the tag titles and everything. Obviously, tag teams are not a priority in the WWE or on Smackdown. It's just filler. And I think they would probably be an asset to AEW before we go any further, Jim. What will tell you if anything, if any of these people immediately go to TNA? Well, I forgot about TNA. I think everybody's forgot about it. No. Well, TNA, just because they are working with the WWE doesn't mean they can't sign guys that WWE is released. And maybe there's a you know, that's used to be what bookers and promoters would do when they had finished a guy in the territory. So well, you know, you just been here a while, we got to change things up. But I've called Charlotte or I've called Atlanta or I called Tampa and I talked to whoever and you know, if you want to, you can go down there or do your own thing. I'm just trying to help that type of thing. Well, Jim also released Apollo Crews. I mean, they were going to do something with him forever ago and never did. Didn't they? Weren't they or is that a coherent sentence? No, I know what you mean. And it seemed like a few times in the past, I don't even know at this point, eight years. I'm not sure how long there were chances to do something with them and they didn't. And they never are going to, it seems. So. You don't want anyone to lose their job, but they're also obviously there are people not in their plans. Well, I mean, the thing is, again, we mocked at the beginning, they're making a fucking fortune and they could pay everybody in the world if it was make a wish, but they are running a business. And to be honest, is anybody going to miss any of these people except their immediate family? Jim also on the list and I believe she's recovering from an injury or maybe just got cleared. Zoe Stark. And I know I just don't know. And I know I think she's still been recovering or whatever. I don't know. But I mean, you know, Alba fire, who was one of the secret. I'll be damned. She was one of the secret service survey. I can't talk one of the secret service agents, I believe for Chelsea Green. Well, it was the secret her vis not the service, the her vis. Of. No surprises. All right. Andrei Chase of Chase University. From NXT. Andre. He was one of the bravado brothers in Ring of Honor back in 2010 and that era. I mean, it's interesting the amount of time they gave him. On NXT for a few years that he never gets called up. What does that tell you? Well, that's what I was going to say is that the gimmick with the whole college group thing, it fucking stunk from the start and they did it forever. And I think he's still doing it. And, you know, they were never going to bring him up in that. I wouldn't think why would you? So I don't know why. Thankfully for him, they just took. Seven or eight years to make their fucking decision. Well, Jim, I have some names here. I believe these are from NXT. I don't know who these people are, but I'll give you the names also released. Tyra May steel. Oh, Serena or Cyrena. Linton. Tyson. Tyreek. Wait, Tyson is just a name. Tyson's a name and Tyreek is a separate person. I don't know if they were a team because they both had TY to start their name. Chris Island. Chris Island is gone. No man is an island. Malik Blade. Malik Blade, another one of these completely realistic names in NXT. Trill London. Trill London has been released. And finally, Luca Crucefino. Luca Crucefino. Released. What about Bill Dampfino? It was this great Mets video they made for the 86 season. It was like the history of the Mets up until 86, 25 years. And every time they talked about one of the great players being traded, they'd play David Bowie for a second. Chachachachachange. And then it would just like go back to the next thing. That's what I'm hearing in my head as I see all these names here. We'll see. I mean, obviously. You brought up the big point because you see people that get mad anytime anyone is released because everyone. Every one of these people, even the people we've never heard of, there is someone who really likes them. And you don't see people just released. However. There is a reality. It's not like they're not going to replace bodies on the roster. But at a certain point, if no one there has a plan for someone, they're not just going to keep them around. Maybe as much as they used to. I saw some of these names just came in and out within the last couple of years. And then the thing is you can you can complain if they don't give a young guy in developmental of, you know, enough of a chance. To really show what he can do or get comfortable. But when you've got people that have been in the system for five, six, seven, eight years, whatever, and. It just ain't nothing happening. No, you can't keep everybody. That's what. Tony does it and and that's why Tony of the WWE pays talent, a very small percentage of their overall annual income. And Tony pays his talent probably more than a half. Because he pays people that you know, he's paying Ric Flair. He pays people you never see. They get they're not going to do this. They're Tony is a doormat and these people are goddamn heartless, cruel capitalists. There is no middle ground anymore where it's like, we got a halfway be reasonable. But maybe he could work and fucking catering. I'd you know, whatever. Well, those are the releases. Obviously, there are recent NXT call-ups happening in the last couple of weeks. So they're replenishing the main roster and probably going to have to replenish NXT, at least who's used on TV because a lot of the main event is in the last year are now on the main roster. But that's the ebb and flow of the WWE roster. Well, speaking of ebbing and flowing, SmackDown will be a short report. Because this was the SmackDown after WrestleMania where we're supposed to get excited for the rest of the year. Do you want to see Fatou mad at the other Samoans and Tongans again? Because we saw a lot of that here. I mean, that was the thing that book ended this episode. The stuff with him and the Usos, Jacob Fatou and the Usos. That I didn't mind because that really hasn't been played out yet. Yes. The stuff with the solo group has been played out and it's natural for solo to be involved in that opening segment because he is there. And in the history of the bloodline, he had a big role and he's the actual younger brother of the Usos. Yeah. And Jacob loved him. But I don't think anyone sees solo as someone who's going to win a match or someone they should care about. So I don't know what to think. They're giving Jacob Fatou a nice little push right now coming out of WrestleMania and a feud that no one cared about. But they're just going to the next pay-per-view and that's the main event right away, him and Roman. Well, I guess, I mean, here's the whole thing. Here's what happened. Jacob comes out to the ring and he announces that he told Roman Monday he doesn't want that title. He needs that title. And they cheered and he said, and Roman told me I'm not ready and they booed. And he said, everybody's told me that I'm not ready all my life. So now I'm saying step in the ring and prove it and the Usos music plays. And I'm okay. Where is this going to go? And they tell him, don't don't come at the OTC like that. Join us. Run the play with us. And they people started booing. And they started chanting Fatou, Fatou and. I said, well, I don't again, Jimmy said. Fata don't listen. None of these fools, the fans. None of these fools are going to put your kids in better schools. I'm like my God, they're turning the Usos heal in this thing. And then Jay says, Hey, it's too late. You've already done this. So we're going to, we're going to see if you can swim or sank or whatever. When next time you look at Roman Reigns, get ready for war. So it's like they're turning the heel on. Jacob, but then solos music plays. And here he comes with these fucking tongans. And I swear to God. I'll get to it in a minute when we talk about the match. But I just, I don't get these fucking guys, especially if the face paint to make some look more bumbling and foolish. And solo tries to tell Jacob that the Usos are lying to him. They didn't want you here a couple of years ago. I did. I brought you. And if you want to beat Roman, well, I can do that for you. You need an army and I've got a lot of money. But while solo was talking to people were what in him? Cause that's the, is that the way that they tell you now that you're a fucking underneath guy that don't want to hear from you at what, what? And so anyway, then Toma, it was Toma Tonga, wasn't it? Took the microphone and said, why are we wasting time? He's a long time. He's a long time. He took the microphone and said, why are we wasting time? He's a lost cause. He can't beat Roman. He can't even beat you. And then Jacob super kicked Toma. And most people, it wasn't like, oh my God. He was like, yeah. And Jacob said the only one out to be talking to is Roman. So it's going to be me and solo tonight out of whatever the fuck. I, I'm with you. I think the usos and Roman and fatu, this needs to be explored. And I think they should hopefully they'll just, this is fodder for this one night. And they're not going to be in this thing regularly because the others to me now beat solo, establish that just that you can and get them out of the way because when Jacob is working with solo, it diminishes Jacob because solo is Jacob light. And it's not a clash of styles. It's two similar styles where they're both doing the same thing. One's just better at it. Does that make any sense? It makes a lot of sense. So anyway, let's skip ahead to the match because the main match was the main event. Cause I just again, we've seen it. They had a match. The usos came out to watch. I thought solo was in control way too much because we know he's doing a job. And finally, Jacob beating with the moonsault one, two, three, but then the heels started getting heat on Jacob three on one and the usos have been watching. So they come down like they're going to come help. But by the time they get to the ring, Jacob makes me to come back and beat up all three of the heels by himself, including whacking them with a chair. And then he put Tonga Loa on the table at the announce desk at ringside so he could splash him through it and Tonga Loa for a shoot fell off the goddamn desk. Accidentally. Did you see that part? Oh, yeah. I don't what. Tonga Loa. How the fuck can you fall off a goddamn desk? He fell off the goddamn desk. So we had to go get him, put it back in any space him through the thing. Jelly Roll didn't fall off the desk. Jelly Roll stayed up upright. What in Tonga Loa is laying down? All he had to do was just not roll to his left. So he rolled to his left and fell off the fucking table. And then you can see him with try to catch himself. Oh, I'm going to fall. So that's the main fucking business on this smackdown pretty much. I can just mention they had a girl's match. They had another girl's match when a tag match. They had Cody do a promo in the ring. Which the interesting thing was he said to all the outside forces that keep interfering with my WrestleMania plans you're over three. So either send your best or count your money and mind your damn business. There are elements of this promo that were very good too. It was Cody has this thing some of these other guys do too were. I don't even know what to say like he does like this fake like. Like he's trying to move his jaw to the side like he's like you know really getting ready for it. But then he had this thing about how Sammy's ain't called him the golden boy. And his comeback was you're right. I am golden. My family's gold. My fans are gold. Everyone's gold. And I was like this is awful. This is just a worse comeback. It's not gold. It's not gold. No it's not. And then he left nothing happened. And yes and you know and that's sometimes that's not bad but he didn't make any announcements about having discovered a cure for cancer or gotten to the bottom of the Kennedy assassination. So it wasn't that newsworthy. I like trick Williams and Yachty and Yachty said he's here to stay. I think they've got a winning combination here. And he did the promo with them. They were in the ring with the gingerbread man. And if you want to hand out find a clinic if you want an invitation find a wedding but if you want the U.S. champion find trick Williams. And then while Yachty was throwing money in the air the gingerbread man took his fucking or hit both of them with a candy cane and then took his fucking head off and it was Sammy. And the fans just hate Sammy now they've been they've been waiting apparently to hate him. There's some pent up frustration here that little do gooder. And otherwise in that and we had do you even want to speak about Dan housing and Ms. and Dan housing at Mrs. House. Yeah, whoever mentioned they got to play the fucking part of Mrs. House. What I'll say is this I hate this sort of nonsense appearing on wrestling and also I don't have a problem with TKO producing a show of this nonsense that is justice nonsense and I'll watch it. Maurice is very good looking. Dan housing is funny. I'm going to start Maurice Dan housing is funny. And you know the miz is the miz. But you know Dan housing and Maurice I mean that's really what I'm thinking. Can miz overact anymore. The you know again it's not like it was a static camera filming incidents. There were camera cuts. It was just it was too set up. It's fake. You need a show. Of course it's the whole thing is fake. I mean just give it a show. I don't like things like this appearing in the middle of SmackDown. I again I get a kick out of the Dan housing stuff but I don't get a kick out of bad wrestling comedy and bad wrestling skits and unfortunately. Unfortunately it wasn't even a wrestling skit. Whatever the skit was the home based skit was the fakers thing you've ever seen and it it just I don't. I don't think I think it's fake in two different ways. It's fake for wrestling and it's not convincing comedy. It's that they're they're both playing with each other. It when Hardy got. You know full of consternation over Laurel or fucking. One of the you know Abbot got fed up with Costello. It wasn't like that they were still playing with each other. They were in their fucking gimmick right this is just. Children playing on cable access. And the match ends when he cursed him and they pyro to McGinn and he's cool boy miss so the guy that they just reminded us beat John Cena at a WrestleMania just got beaten three minutes by a magic curse and a schoolboy. One note and for the record people have corrected us apparently this was not shown on SmackDown but if you follow all their social media feeds you would have seen it. Dan housing paid off the pyro people. That's how Kit Wilson got blasted in the balls last week and that's how it happened again this week. He's paying off the pyro people and they show that not on air but on social media. Yeah but how did. They get in the right position to be shot with the pyro unless the pyro guys just loaded every goddamn ring post at every fucking part of the ring side with shots that can be fired in all directions in which case if I were the paying customers I believe I'd sit farther back from the ring. They didn't explain that part. Yeah. So anyway and then the debut of Jane Wayne Gacy from NXT with her friends from fatal influence Fallon and Furnham I can't remember the other girls name and they had apparently come out earlier in the night and beat up some of the other girls on one of the fucking matches I didn't watch and then they came out and interrupted Rhea Ripley. Well they didn't interrupt her she just said I'm a fighting champion so who's next which is it's so creative. I'll just walk out there and just blindly say that I can whip everybody so send somebody out. I have no idea who's coming. And they had so much heat they booed over the promo from the stuff they were the heat they'd gotten before. So the fans pretty much booed them and chanted for Rhea and they all just talked to each other until all this came out and made a match and then it was Rhea and Jane and Jane is not a bad heal. And then they got disqualified and they three on one Rhea. And that was the SmackDown after WrestleMania which is supposed to get us excited for all the wonderful things that we've got coming up in the next year. Are you excited Brian? No not at all. I miss tape trading I miss having someone that can make me a two hour compilation of anything I need to see that week or that month. You know what I miss about tape trading? Having other shows from other places that I wanted to see. With stars that you wanted to see wrestlers that you only read about or heard about you finally get to see. And they do four people I'd like to see again. There's some of these fucking people I could do without seeing for the rest of my life and that's not a big insult I probably won't live that much long. I can't stand that fatal influence team I know they're a fucking NXT pervert so I love them because they're female NXT you know feminine warriors you can't say anything bad about them but oh my god you want to talk about people playing the role of wrestlers watch them walk to the ring it's just all fakery it's just you don't believe any of them are the person that they are you believe that it's someone playing the role of someone and I don't like that that takes me out of it completely. That's why that 90% of them are like Anna J's alright because she you know but the rest of them. 90% of the guys and the girls in the business are not over because of that reason they have grown up being conditioned that wrestlers act like wrestlers whether it's the way that they would act or not. And so they create personas in their mind see the good thing when I got into business I only had a week's notice that I was going to be in the business and I really had the barest idea if that of any kind of personality that I was supposed to have on TV to begin with so I didn't have time to make up a fake one. And then I figured well I got maybe three or four weeks I could suck a little bit because I just started but I better get good or else otherwise they're just going to fucking run me off. So I figured out how to have a bit of a personality. But I didn't sit and say oh my god well let's see what is my back story yes I'm a warrior from Spain that has landed in a spaceship from Alpha Centauri and fucking paint my face. That's not even the worst of it just what will be my move when I come out of the runway what will I do every time I'm on the stage my special pose like that shit that became superfluous it's everywhere everyone is doing like here's my stage pose and now here's my fake walk to the ring. You see Brock Lesnar come to the ring and not everyone can be Brock Lesnar. You know one of the all-time greats really when you think about it at this point. You believe he is who he is when he's walking to the ring with Heyman. You believe that that guy he's not doing anything that seems like oh he's putting on a show. And some of these people and again I saw fatal influence here I've seen him on NXT. It's three girls especially the main one who's the one getting the push putting on a performance of being wrestlers bad guy wrestlers and I don't like it and I think there's a lot of people that turn a blind eye to it and a lot of it is because people don't know any better because this was what Vince McMahon wanted and this was the predominant wrestling if you're 25 years old now this is what you grew up on was performance based just all this bullshit the bad segments the fucking poses just all this stuff this is what you grew up on this is what you think wrestling is it's when people do something else that they really stand out. I wonder if I had been born let's see I got to do the math here. If if if I started with 72 let's say I've been born 30 years later and I didn't start watching and wrestling until 2002. I wonder what my career would have been because I would have never gotten this shit. I would have I can't imagine young me wanting to do this stuff. Oh well. But if I'd have been born 10 years earlier maybe I could have worked for Eddie Graham son of a bitch. Alrighty, we're going to do this again soon aren't we we have the drive through coming up the Hulk Hogan documentary we have questions we'll have a bunch of other stuff as well but a lot of fun coming up and even with wrestling in the doldrums there'll still be things to talk about and also I was with the Hogan documentary we have to watch that Shawn Michaels documentary. Oh good heavens why do I know so much about these people's lives. Yes fun fun fun we're gonna have more fun I apologize for today I'm in one of those moods banging everything I keep hearing just random punching a punch a punch and things over give you up put out how hit you hard. Now I think it's important to remind people here at the end if you are a billionaire and you'd like to spend a good deal of money to sit in on the show with us you won't get to talk and you may not even get to listen I don't know but you'll get to just be here with us as we do the show let us know we're accepting bids starting at $100,000. A mere pittance a mere bag of shells for all the billionaires out there that apparently like wrestling. You know what we'll let you say $100,000 we will turn on your mic and let you say hello to the listeners. Well now wait a minute I thought we were gonna go for $150,000 for that. I think that's asking too much in this economy I think we have to kind of be realistic I think $100,000 you get to listen to us do the show and one of us will call you on the phone during the break in a match on a WWE pay-per-view and just say hello. All right well as long distance charges apply. $150,000 how greedy do you have to be how greedy a man can you be? Well that's because I'm cousins with Ari Emanuel. You're the only person I've ever heard pronounce it that way. How do you pronounce it? Emanuel. Ari Emanuel. Emanuel is what I just said. All right. Ari. Ari. Is he or isn't he? Every TV show you see that has an agent named Ari is all based on him. Larry Sander's show Conan O'Brien used to have a character named Ari which was based on Ari. Obviously entourage. There have been other shows with agent characters based on him. He was notorious before he ever got involved with Vince McMahon. Well who'd Ari ever beat though? What title has he ever won? Mike Ovitz. Oh I don't know what title he's ever won. All right anyway we're done here. Ladies and gentlemen we're going to have so much fun on the drive-through that we won't be able to stand it and we'll probably giggle ourselves into the hospital and then we'll be back next week here on The Experience for more frivolity and things and such of that nature. And until then thank you. Fuck you. 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