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You'll get access to ad-free versions of our shows, special online hangs with our crew, discounts on merch, and more. Plus, you'll feel great knowing you're helping us pay our debaters, sound designers, writers, and more. Join now at SmartyPass.org. Thank you. Now, it's showtime. From the brains behind Brains On, it's Smash Boom Best. The show for people with big opinions. Hi, I'm Molly Bloom, and this is Smash Boom Best, the show where we take two things, smash them together, and ask you to decide which one is best. Today, two titans of physics and fun, its squishy, gooey, drippy, lovely slime, versus the springy, wavy, stretchy, wondrous slinky. Here to squish the competition for teen slime is radiolab host Latif Nasser. It's prime time for slime. And stretching toward victory for team Slinky is podcast maker Hans Puteau. It is not a stretch to love a Slinky. Oh, and the person with the tough job of picking today's top toy is Miles from Minneapolis. Miles is into tennis, riding his bike, and listening to music. And he also plays trombone in the jazz band. Hi, Miles. Hey, Molly. So, Miles, what songs are in heavy rotation that you're listening to right now? I really like the band Geese and Oasis. Nice. I also like Cage of the Elephant. Very nice. And, okay, so, and you also play trombone. Yes. So, it seems like you like rock and roll. Do you think you could ever use your trombone playing skills in a rock and roll band someday? Oh. Horn section. I hadn't even thought about that, but yeah, I think it's pretty likely. That's awesome. And so, you're in jazz band. What's your favorite song you're doing right now in jazz band? Well, we're playing Spain by Chick Korea. Oh. And I like it a lot. Yeah. That's really cool. So, trombone is awesome. Thanks. How long have you been playing it? I started in seventh grade, which was two years ago. Okay. And so, trombone is like you slide. That's how you choose different notes, it's really by sliding it. Is it hard to find the right note? How do you know how to do that? Yeah. There's kind of like, I actually get this question a lot. There's kind of like, different points that you can kind of go off of to see different slides. Okay. Is it kind of like muscle memory at a certain point though? Yeah. Like your arm kind of like knows like how far to go. It is, yeah. Are there any notes that like you couldn't reach when you first started that like now you can? Seventh position. That's like the farthest away position. And that was tough, but I got it now. Now. Yeah, you're like very, you're like much taller than me now. So, you're great. So, will Miles say the slinky is supreme or will he side with slime? Time to find out. But first here are the rules. Every debate consists of four rounds, the Declaration of Greatness, the Micro Round, the Sneak Attack, and the Final Six. After each round our judge, Miles, will award points to the team that impresses him the most, but he'll keep his decisions top secret until the end of the debate. Listeners, we want you to judge too. Mark down your points as you listen at the end of the show. Head to our website, smashboom.org, and vote for whichever team you think won. Okay, Latif, Hans, Miles, are you ready? Yes. Oh yeah. Yes. Awesome. Then it's time for the Declaration of Greatness. In this round, our debaters will present a well-crafted, immersive argument in favor of their side. Then they'll each have 30 seconds to rebut their opponent's statements. Move up to coin and Latif, you're up first. Tell us why in your house it's always slime time. Does this sound familiar? Fuf, I've had enough screen time. I think I'll do something constructive for my brain now. That's a great idea, honey. Maybe something sciency. Oh, I know. I'll make slime. Oh, it's so gross and messy. I mean, you should play more video games. Mom, try this one. It's really violent. Sadly, scenes like this happen all too often. That's why I'm doing something a little different. Normally, my task would be to convince kids of the wonders of slime, but I don't really need to. Kids already know. Of course, slime's great. So instead, I'm talking to parents. I'm going to get you to embrace the goo. And drop that filthy. Prejudice? Yes. Slime prejudice is real. Slime was villainized as far back as 1958 when a horror movie came out called The Blob. Look out. Because soon, very soon, the most horrifying monster menace ever conceived will be oozing into this theater. What's behind this anti-oos attitude? It might have to do with the fear adults have for their own bodies. Hey! Especially the slippery bits that make it function. Ew. Adults often freak out, hearing words like saliva, snot, mucus. But these bodily slimes keep us alive and healthy. Without saliva, we wouldn't be able to swallow food. The mucus in our sinuses traps harmful germs. In fact, mucus is so important, our bodies make more than one and a half quarts of it every day, most of which we swallow without even realizing it. Oh, I'm going to be sick. I'll grow up. Or actually, do the opposite of that. Slime is also fun and easy to make outside of the body using household materials. One recipe just calls for some detergent glue and water. Mix it up and you'll get a wonder of chemistry and physics. You see, slime is something called a non-Newtonian fluid. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That means sometimes it acts like a liquid and sometimes like a solid, depending on how much pressure you put on it. If you smack it or squish it with a lot of force, it feels like a solid. But if you hold still and let it flow between your fingers, it oozes like a liquid. Dad, slime feels like a solid but takes the shape of the container like a liquid. That's really great, champ. I'm glad you're learning so much. Careful with the rug. Slime seems simple, but it's got hidden depths. Slinkies are kind of the opposite. Something that seems like it'll be cool, but then actually isn't. No, no, they're cool. Get this slinky, walk down the stairs. Wow, that's great, Mom. Oh, butterscotch, now it's tangled. Oh, once those get tangled and they always do, it's practically impossible to fix. That reminds me of one final thing. Slime is helpful. Some people make slime that's great for cleaning the gunk out of keyboards and electronics. Others use slime as a stress reliever. Here, ma'am, why don't you try this? Wow, my anger and frustration from that slinky is just melting away. I feel so calm. There you have it, another adult one over. Slime is fun, fascinating, and full of cool science. It's the perfect play thing for kids and adults. Wow, an excellent declaration of greatness there. And, Latif, those were your kids, right? Those were my kids. Excellent work, guys. So good. Okay, Miles, what stood out to you about Latif's declaration of greatness? It was really fascinating to learn about the movie that kind of first introduced slime and how it's a non-Newtonian liquid going back between solid and liquid. Very cool. Okay, Hans, you have 30 seconds to spring into action and your time starts now. First and foremost, shout out to Newtonian Fluids. Let's not leave them in the dust. Come on, speaking of being in the dust, the thing about slime is it gets everything gets in it. And, you know, slime's great. Sure, slime is great. But it's not as great as the spirally flexible. It's gross and messy and it just lays there and it's helpful bodily functions with those things inside you. Oh, I'm so glad you... It's so easy to clean slime. All you need is a little white vinegar, a little water. Not only does it clean the slime, all of a sudden it also can clean your clothes. Anything else that maybe the slime accidentally got messy, you can clean all that. And, better yet, now everything smells like pickles. You got me at pickles. You know I love smelling like pickles. All right, we're going to hear what Team Slinky has to say in just a moment. So stay tuned. Today's episode is sponsored by Quince. I'm a person that doesn't really like shopping because I'm worried that the things that I'm going to buy are not going to be worth it. But that's the opposite of what happens when I buy clothes from Quince. My family is a Quince family. We have been buying clothes from there for a while now. And all the clothes we've gotten from Quince have stood the test of time so well. Everything is incredibly well made. My favorite item of clothing is this sort of burnt orange, cardigan, so cozy, made of cotton. It is my favorite sweater and it's from Quince. My daughter's favorite jacket is also from Quince. My husband's favorite socks from Quince. So not only is everything great quality, everything at Quince is priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands. 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She was a master of her craft, able to figure out exactly what happened by examining the clues. Clearly, the thief took the roof off of the museum using magic, then lowered a group of highly trained velociraptors into the security room where they disarmed the cameras. Then he released nanobots that snatched the slinkies and they all got away in an old pizza delivery van. It's so obvious. But something puzzled her. Why? Why do all that only to steal a slinky? Why? Okay, that's as far as I got, because honestly, there are just a million and one reasons to want a slinky and how do I pick just one? First, they're so fun! The toy was invented in 1943 by a mechanical engineer named Richard T. James. And Richard noticed how a spring seemed to step downward as it fell off a bookshelf. And he thought, hmm, that was neat. What if I could get it to step down like a whole flight of stairs? Like some kind of walking spring. Super duper neat. He tinkered and tinkered until he got it just right and the slinky was born. In 1945, he showed it off at a toy store and sold 400 of them in just 90 minutes. And ever since, kids have been wiggling, jiggling, tossing them, jostling them, and of course sending them stepping downstairs. Today, there are many slinkies, plastic rainbow slinkies, and slinky dogs like the one from Toy Story. By the way, if you put a slinky on an escalator going up, could it walk forever? Well, theoretically, yes. It can also walk sideways. In 2016, two people filmed their slinky walking on a treadmill for a whole 8 minutes. And 43 seconds, which brings me to my next point. Slinkies got tricks. There's a growing community of slinky artists who dance with slinkies and they twirl them around and they bounce them off of stuff. One guy nicknamed Slinky Josh has gone viral showing off his slinky skills at festivals. I cast Slinky! Oh my God. But slinkies aren't just fun and games. They're educational. Science teachers use them to explain things like gravity, transverse waves, and the difference between potential and kinetic energy. NASA even brought the slinky to space to show how it works in microgravity. But really, the uses of slinkies are endless. They can make cool sound effects for your superhero movie. They're perfect for fidgeting. You can wrap them around a tree to stop squirrels from climbing up and eating the fruits. So, back to my novel. Why would a master thief want to steal a slinky? Is it to play with, to learn tricks, to teach cool physics, to fidget with, to stop squirrels? Oh, too many options. The reason is so obvious. Wait, the detective from my novel? Did you figure out the motive? Of course, Hans. The answer is all of it. The thief wanted the slinky because it can do pretty much anything. Case closed. Wait, but you didn't catch the thief, so... Well, then you better finish your novel. Oh, right. So there you have it. The perfect motive for stealing the perfect toy. Slinkies can do it all. Oh, my gosh, Hans is showing us why it's no mystery. Why slinkies are so cool. Okay, Miles, what stood out to you about his argument? I like using it in science classes and stuff because I have used slinkies in science classes last year. Sound waves. I also love the slinky artists. I didn't know about that. That's really cool. And the guy who sold 490 minutes, that's just crazy. It's impressive. Okay, Latif, it is time for you to slime those statements from Team Slinky. You have 30 seconds for your rebuttal, and your time starts now. That was super fun. I love the mystery concept, and in fact, I love it so much. I'm going to add a few more mysteries here. You can tangle it after it gets so tangled. What do you do when your stairs are too wide or too tall? I don't even have stairs in my house. Also, another thing, what do you do after you get cut by a slinky? You know, sometimes you get those little cuts. It's a little bit annoying. All of those are mysteries I would love further chapters on. And time. You don't have stairs in your house? Nope. That's wild. I can't really trust you to be objective in this at all. If you're debating this from your point of view, you're already biased. I don't know that we can fully trust the perspective that you bring in here. I'm so sorry. Because I'm stairless? Because you're stairless and slinkies. Slinkies and stairs are kind of a thing. They're kind of together. And so, I mean, you just might not understand. Wow, stairism. Already stairism here. Hans, we don't stand for stairism here. Sash, boom, best. Oh, well. Oh, OK. Miles, it is time to award some points. Please give one point to the Declaration of Greatness that you liked best and one point to the rebuttal that won you over. You get to decide what makes a winning argument. Did one have cooler facts? Did another make you laugh more? Totally subjective, totally up to you. Award your points, but don't tell us who they're going to. Have you made your decision? Yes. Very good. OK, Hans and Latif, how are you two feeling so far? I feel great. I feel really like flexible and just loose. Yeah, I especially feel those ways flexible and loose because I have a little bit of slime here I've been playing with as a stress reliever while we've been talking, you know? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, very smart. All right, well, it's time for a quick break. Stretch out your legs or squish into your comfy chair. And we'll be right back with more Smash, Boom, Best. You're listening to State of Debate, home to rage and rhetoric and awe-inspiring argumentation. Splish Splash, it's me, Taylor Lincoln, alongside my sparkling clean bud, Todd Douglas. Say, is that a pair of vacuum cleaners you're holding above your head, Todd? Hi, Taylor. It sure is. I use two so that I can clean the ceiling at lightning speed. Phew. Now, the only thing left is my double-handed, super spinning, full room mopping. I love to clean, too. But instead of rooms, I like to clean up bad arguments, especially when there are logical fallacies in the mix. Oh, a logical fallacy. That's when someone makes a bad argument that's easy to defeat. It is. And the other day, I overheard a real messy one. Let's take a listen. Hi, welcome to Sergeant Sloppy's Slop-Tacular Slop Straunt. Our food is sloppy and rude. Can I please take your order? Yes, I'll have the chili cheese slop dog, extra slop sauce with a side of slop fries. But hold the onions, please. Anything else? Do you think I could get some extra napkins with this? I mean, it feels like it might get kind of sloppy. Ooh, no can do. No extra napkins, but why not? If I give you more paper napkins, then everyone will want extra napkins, and then they might have to cut down whole forests to make more. And there wouldn't be any more trees in the world. So I'm sorry I have to say no to extra napkins. Whoa, clean up in the debate aisle. Indeed a Mundo, Todd, old pal. That was a real sloppy argument. That cashier was using the slippery slope fallacy. That's where someone claims that a small action will lead to a huge outcome. It's messy because it exaggerates what might happen without any evidence. Well, I don't know what's going to happen, but I'm suddenly craving slop dogs. Me too. Let's not get them to go, though. I wouldn't want to get any on this newly cleaned ceiling. Thanks. We'll see you next time on State of Debate. Smash. Boom. You're listening to Snash Boom Best. I'm your host, Molly Bloom. And I'm your George Miles. And we'd love getting debate suggestions from our listeners, like this one. Hi, Smash Boom Best. My name is Georgia, and I'm from Silver Spring, Maryland. And my debate idea is toothbrushes versus hairbrushes. Can't brush aside an idea that good. We'll hear who Georgia thinks should win at the end of the show. And now it's back to our debate. Slime versus Slinkies. That's right. And it's time for round two, the... Micro round. It's time for a fact-off. Hans and Lottiff will each get three chances to make a micro argument backed by a cool factor idea. Lottiff went first last round, so Hans, you start us off. Let's hear your first fact about Slinkies. First, I want to tell you about Slinkies as soldiers. That's right. Did you know that Slinkies were used during the Vietnam War? Soldiers would be able to throw them up over the branches of trees, and they would extend the range of radios. So a practical tool. That's pretty cool science right there. That's pretty good. Okay, well, interesting. The best defense is the slime defense. Just ask the hagfish, this eel-looking creature, releases a special slime to protect itself, and boy does it work. The slime is super soft, 100,000 times softer than Jello, but there's a lot of it. It'll fill the mouths and gills of any unfortunate attackers. Even sharks have had to retreat from this glorious goo. So next time someone is bothering you, be like a hagfish and cover them in a slime bomb. Well, you know what's going to fill your ears? Not your eyes. Slime? Slime. Slime. Yes, but also the slinky jingle. Do you know the slinky jingle, Latif? How about you, Miles? Do you know the slinky jingle? I don't. You mean like the sound it makes or like a commercial song? Okay, first of all, the sound it makes is so much more appealing than the sound the other one makes because it's lasers versus squishes. Come on. Yeah. Who doesn't like squishes? Me. Me. Lasers every time. But no, I mean, I mean the jingle that they use to sell it. It's one of the longest running, most beloved classic jingles of all time. Slinky, slinky. I don't remember the words. Slinky. Slinky is good for girls and boys. It's good for girls and boys. That's the slinky song. You know it. Okay, I kind of know it. It's funny because you've slightly undermined your argument here. And the actual line that I do actually remember was everyone knows a slinky, but it's everyone doesn't know the jingle. That's the problem. Not very catchy. It's going to be in your head. You're going to be going, all day long now that I've done that. I don't even remember the melody right now. Miles. Oh, no. That's right. I'm sorry. He plays the trombone. He's a musician. He knows what he's talking about. Oh, boy. I got some work to do. Well, there is a slime to fit any mood. Feeling whimsical, try making cloud slime, which is fluffy and drizzly. Feeling fancy, try glossy slime. Feeling a little metal, make magnetic slime. Sweet tooth, make gummy bear slime, or marshmallow slime, or any other edible kind of slime. You can even make icy slime that's crunchy and cool for those hot summer days. It's the perfect DIY toy, no matter how you're feeling, and there's no commercial jingle gimmick to go with it. You know what's not a gimmick? All of the awards. Just award after award after award for slinkies. Since 1945, when they sold that first 490 minutes, it's just been winning those awards, and it hasn't changed. It hasn't changed since 1945, and it still wins awards. In 1999, the United States Postal Service, they issued a postage stamp. A postage stamp. Only the best for the slinky. It's also in the Toy Hall of Fame. Slime, I can't even imagine, is close. It might be like stopping at the windows for the draft or something in the slime. The best is closest, it's going to get, I think, to the Toy Hall of Fame. It was named to the Toy Industry Association's Century of Toys list for the 20th century's 100 most memorable, even if you don't remember the lyrics, and creative toys. It would probably be knighted. We'd probably give it an OBE if toys could have OBEs. Tiny Rebuttal Slime is also in the National Toy Hall of Fame. Did you know that there are snail farms where they grow snails just to get their slime? That slime is highly valuable. It gets used in face creams and moisturizers, because it's really good at stuff like healing sunburns, repairing small wounds, helping skin regenerate. There's early evidence that snail slime might even help prevent acne and skin cancer. Snail slime also inspired a new kind of glue to help hold someone together after surgery, because it's stretchy and sticky and strong enough to hold on to something like a beating heart. Wow. You know what? I will say, that is incredibly cool. I will get on board with how cool that is. I will also get on board how I don't want to play with snail slime. I just, I don't want to rub my hands in it. I don't want to put it near my face. I'm not going to have fun with snail slime. Oh my goodness. Okay. A sensory smack down there. Miles, what stood out to you about this micro round? This was good. The fish who use it as a weapon is very cool. And also using slinkies in the war, the Vietnam War to extend radios is very cool. And the surgeries, using slime and surgeries is just awesome. Yes. Very, very cool. Okay. Miles, it is time to award a point for this micro round. Again, criteria, totally subjective, totally up to you. Have you made your decision? Yes. Perfect. Keep it a secret and we'll be right back. Boom. Best without the ad breaks. Join SmartyPass and get an ad free feed of this and all the other Brains On Universe shows. Plus you'll get to do virtual hangs with me and the crew and get discounts on merch. Sign up at BrainsOn.org. Thanks. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Smash. Boom. Best. This super stretchy smack down is so fun, right? So let's keep it going with the. Ha ha. Sneak attack. This is our improvised round where debaters have to respond to a challenge on the spot. Today's challenge is international holiday. Imagine that there's an international holiday devoted to your side. What's it called? What are the traditions, lore, decorations associated with this special day? Any special food or greetings? Is there a song? Please tell me there's a song. Okay. Let's have Hans, does this make sense? Yeah, it does. All right. Let's if you are up first this time, please tell us about your holiday celebrating slime. Well, happy slime is giving everybody. So instead of turkey, we don't need to kill a bird. You can just make some jello and just everybody can eat their favorite puddings and jellos and anything slimy that they feel, yeah, that they want to. It's a time when you come together with your loved ones and you just pass around some slimy foods that will just make everyone happy. Yeah, it's just a time to remember how we're all just slime on the inside. Yeah, it's just a nice time to be with your people. That is really beautiful. Is there like a song that people sing on slimesgiving? Naturally, of course. Yeah, it's happy slimesgiving to you. I mean, they need work. They need work. I mean, it's better than a slinky song, but still they need work. Absolutely. Oh, I love that. Okay, happy slimesgiving, everybody. Hans, please tell us about your international holiday to celebrate the slinky. Yeah, well, I mean, slinkies have a truly international holiday because it's actually named two different things because it depends on which hemisphere you live in. Yeah, if you're in the northern hemisphere, you celebrate slinktober. But if you're in the southern hemisphere, you would celebrate it, of course, as we all know, as slink brewery. It will. Really roll it up again. And it's a day to be flexible. It's actually a whole month. It's like that's how much you need in order to celebrate all of the wonders of slinky. You stay flexible. There's a special handshake that you do, which is, yeah, it simulates the longitudinal wave that a slinky does and simulates when you simulate that for when it's going down the stairs. And then you do a transverse wave. If somebody's a far away, you do a transverse wave, which is perpendicular, right? It's just it's so cool you get both kinds of waves, which you know what? Slinkies do both kinds of waves. Slimes, no kinds of waves. So I'm just saying, it's pretty dynamic. Yeah, waves are pretty important to holidays. Is there a song for a slinktober or slinktober brewery? I think I've heard it. I think everybody's heard it. Are you sure? It's funny. I don't remember. It's not super memorable. A slinky slinky. Oh, a slinktober. Yes. You want to put on your hat? There's a hat you put on? Yeah. Oh, perfect. All right. Wow. That was a lot to think about. Those sound like awesome holidays, don't they, Miles? Yes. Absolutely. Okay. But only one of them can receive a point for this sneak attack round. It can go to the most fun sounding holiday or the one that felt well sought out. Maybe the one that had tasty treats or a special hat. Have you awarded your point? Yeah. Okay. It's time for our final round. The final six. In this round, each team will have just six words to sum up the glory of their side. Hans, you're up first. Six words for slinkies. Okay. Slime's fine. Slinky. Oh, boy, not a lot rounds with slinky. Is that it? Is that the final six? Rinky dinky, maybe? No, never. Never. Okay. Just trying to help. So, Slime's fine. Slinky makes you winky. Nope. Don't like that. Like wink, but with a lie? Like wink, wink, wink, wink. Sure. Yeah. Yep. Is that what we're going with? Is that what we're going with? It's from 1945. It's an old saying. So, things time are different back then. Yes, of course. Okay. Lots of... It's your turn. Sum it up for Slime. Infinite shapes. Unlimited fun. Squish potential. Very good. Okay. I'm just realizing we didn't have to rhyme. What did you think you had to rhyme? I don't know. Miles, it is time to afford your final point. Have you made your decision? I have. Okay. Are you ready to crown one team the Smash Boom Best? Yeah. Okay. Drum roll, please. And the winner is... Slime. Woo! Yaw, winky. Look, it's versatile. It's great. Incredible. Okay, Miles, what was the moment that really pushed it over the edge for Slime? The final six was pretty good. Okay, final six. The sneak attack in the micro round were pretty close. I think they both could have gone either way. But it was one each, so... Kind of evened out. It was a tight one. Yeah, it was close. Hans, first of all, your object... I actually do love slinkies, even though I'm stairless. I love slinkies. I do agree that the... Winkies was an inspired... You were in a corner there and you found winkies and it was great. And that might now become part of my everyday vocabulary. I don't know. But it was... You brought a lot of fun, which was... You did justice to the slinky, which is a great, all-time toy. Incredible. Lots of you had facts that made me go, oh yeah, you had points that made me go, I see that, yep, yep. And you did it all with an attitude that made me say, oh, Slime, I get it, let's do this. So really well done, well earned. Thank you. I'm also going to go research using a slinky as an antenna on a tree. That is... I kind of want to try that. That sounds so fun. Yeah. Right? Don't you like, does it vibrate? Can you feel it vibrate? I got questions. Fascinating. More research to be done. Well that is it for today's debate battle. Miles crowned Slime the Smash Boom Best, but what about you? Head to smashboom.org and vote to tell us who you think won. This episode was produced by B. Molly Bloom and Mark Sanchez. It was sound designed by Rachel Breeze. Our theme song was written by Mark Sanchez. We had engineering help from Matt Caster. Our announcer is Marley Foyerworker Otto, and we want to give a special thanks to Austin Cross and Taylor Kaufman. Hans, is there anyone you'd like to give a shout out to today? Two things. First of all, the concept of gravity for just helping slinkers do the thing that they do. Like, way to go, gravity. And also, Friedrich Freybel, who was born on the 21st of April, 1782, and, you know, decided that play was the way that we were going to learn things. I think all toys owe a lot to Friedrich Freybel opening that door for us in kindergarten. Very nice. And how about you? Let's have any special shout outs. I'd like to thank Hagfish, Snails, and my two children, Fybel and Hawk. Excellent. And Miles, how about you? Any special thanks or shout outs? I would like to thank my cousin Fiona. She loves this podcast and brains on. That's very nice. Before we go, let's check in and see who Georgia thinks should win the debate between hairbrushes and toothbrushes. I think toothbrushes could win because you could get more problems if you don't brush your teeth. If you're between the ages of 13 and 18 and you'd like to be a judge, or if you're any age and you have an idea for a knock-down drag-out debate, head to smashboom.org slash contact and drop us a line. And if you're a fan of the show and want to keep it going, head to smartypass.org to subscribe. We'll be back next week with the new Smash Boom Best episode, Otters vs. Alligators. Ta-ta! Thanks, bye. Squishy later. It's fun for girls and boys. Come and abandon the rest. It's a smash boom best. It's a smash boom best. And now we're going to say goodbye however we choose. You can say ta-ta. See ya. Bye. Whatever. Winky slinky whatever you want to say. Winky slinky. Say it. So I'll go first. Ta-ta! I think you'll catch on as a salutation. Winky slinky. Okay. Winky slinky. Ahoy there, Winky slinky. Todd, I'm going to answer the phone from now on.