Round 1 Reactions: Rams Reach for Ty Simpson?! Cardinals Fall in Love, Giants Steal Arvell Reese, Worst Picks, WR Rankings, and Punching Friends in the Taint

the ringer NFL to wrap show. My name is Danny Hyphens and I'm joined by Danny Kaling Craig Corleback and boys round one is over. We did it. We didn't do anything but we just watched it on TV. I did some stuff. You did some stuff. DK's draft grades are at NFLdraft.theringer.com. If you want to see, he gave your team a shitty grade. I'm a glutton punishment. Let me know. Comment on it on Instagram if you hate DK's draft grades. No F's or D's though. Right. It was not that crazy of a first round this year I think and there was also just a lot of down the fairway picks I feel like. Okay. Well, but otherwise, we'll talk about a lot. So we're going to go through and again, we're going to have more episodes Friday night, Sunday next week and then we're going to have episodes all summer. So if you've gotten this far, the stick with us for the entire summer, we're just going to go through round one. We have a bunch of awards we're going to give out starting with most shocking moment of the draft. Yep. I think we have to start with the Rams taking Ty Simpson at number 13 overall and then after the draft Sean McVay look pretty pissed about it. Yeah. Less need in McVay did like a 10 minute presser after and it really seems like McVay did not want Ty Simpson and like less need did. Yeah. Here, DK, we're going to play the clip of a reporter asking Sean McVay about this selection. Yeah. DK has not seen this. I haven't really seen it yet. Yeah. Also, you have to listen really carefully because the reporter's not mic'd. Yeah, I did. I'll keep that between us. We'll see. He's going to compete with Stetson. The smirks at the end of every answer. He's just, he's seething it seems. Yes. And for those who couldn't hear, the question was, did you talk to Matt Stafford? He goes, yeah, I did. And they were like, what'd you say? He's like, I'll keep that between us. And they're like, so you do you expect Ty Simpson to be the backup quarterback? He's like, we'll see. He'll compete with Stetson Bennett. Stetson Bennett. Who's 23 years old. 13th overall pick is going to compete with Stetson Bennett. Dude, people might say we're reading too much into this. You can tell, this happens all the time. Marvin Lewis is famous for the Bengals where you could just tell if he wanted the pick or not by his face. And it's like, he can't hot like. He's not a very good actor. If that's, if that is genuine anger, he's not a very good actor. McVay has never been somebody in my opinion who's been able to conceal his emotions. No, right, right. You can always kind of see what he's feeling. I think that there was this was a very controversial pick and one of the biggest stories of the draft, the Rams taking Ty Simpson before we found out the McVay thing. And I think there was a whole conversation we were probably going to have about, I think it's two different questions. Does it make sense to take a quarterback in the first round when you're a Super Bowl team? No. I think it makes more sense than people think. Get the fuck out of here. But then there's a separate question of whether Ty Simpson's the guy. Okay. I'm just saying, like, it's not look. The. It is so rare that you are a team as good as the Rams who almost made the Super Bowl and arguably were the best team in the NFL last year. All right. I'm just saying, I said arguably, and you have the 13th pick in the draft and you can get somebody who could immediately step in and contribute and help you get over the hump. And you do. And also, it's not like Ty Simpson is some generational prospect that you kind of jumped up to get because you thought it was a steal. This is a guy who like most people thought could have been a second rounder. Would you have been a problem with using a second rounder? No, no, no. You know what this reminded me of a little bit was the two timeline warriors with Joe Lakeup and how the warriors refused to trade Jonathan Kominga and Moody because they wanted to win in the future because Jordan Poole was playing well. And they're like, actually, we can do both at the same time. We want a title, but we don't want to, we don't want to double down on Steph. We're not doubling down on Stafford, I guess is the loose comparison I'm making. And Les Need was like, well, Stafford's 38. Why don't we get a guy who we think can work in the system, which is what Les said in the presser. He said he's, we picked him because of his processing ability playing his ability to execute a passing offense and his mobility. And then he talked about how Snead grew up in Alabama and he loved that. Bama lost that first game to Florida State. And he was like, I love how Ty Simpson responded. They went on to win like eight or nine games in a row and like, Bama football, you know, Bama and football, like the way Ty Simpson respond. And I'm just like, what are we, and McVeigh is sitting there just like, fucking not blinking. I'm like, you could have seen the vein in his forehead. They could have taken McIlem and Vega Ioannis, Reuben Bain, Monroe Freeling, all those guys on the board. It just feels very, it feels very out of character for what the Rams have done lately too, where the F them picks thing where they're taking guys that can contribute right away, putting, it felt like they were always putting their chips in a lot for each season and then we'll figure it out down the line. To your point, I thought when they made the pick that everybody in the Rams was on the same page. That's the normal thing. The fact that Sean McVeigh seems to not be happy about this is crazy. And my first thought, my first thought was like, oh, interesting, maybe Stafford told them I'm doing one more year and that's it. And they were like, okay, let's get ahead of it. We have a rare opportunity to like guarantee the quarterback of the next generation after Stafford and we know we can get him at 13. And this was a free pick that we got from Atlanta. So like, fuck it. We already used our real pick to get Trent McDuffie. Let's just like use this free pick. Stafford's going to be gone in a year. He told us, let's do that. But that doesn't sound like that was the case. The entire premise of this pick making sense to me is I just assumed Sean McVeigh was down. Of course. Like why wouldn't I? This is also by the way why the draft's fucking impossible to figure out is if I had told you before, the Rams are going to take Ty Simpson, but McVeigh's going to be pissed. You'd be like, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It's like, how am I supposed to know who a team is going to take? If the head coach and the GM don't even know who they're going to take. Exactly. Which happens a lot more than you think. I think to my, like what I was saying earlier, I'm not saying that this is necessarily a good idea. What I'm saying is the Packers took Jordan Love and that was widely panned because they had Rodgers. And on one hand you'd be like, well, thank God they did because Rodgers like was only there for so much longer. And then the Packers have Jordan Love now. However, you also could be like, well, the Packers take it a corner back there. Maybe they would have made the Super Bowl. But I think the interesting difference to me, basically I think taking a quarterback when you don't need one is a good idea and investing in the position is smart. If Stafford gets hurt this season, which he had a back injury last year, he didn't get hurt, but even Stafford was like, I'm shocked. I feel good late in the season. If maybe Ty Simpson can help them. I think, and I'm curious what you think, DK. I think what's interesting is Ty Simpson is nothing like Jordan Love, who is a really toolsy, crazy arm, crazy talented player that was like raw. Ty Simpson is raw, but not as toolsy. Like he's fast, but he's almost like a less talented Daniel Jones. Like his arm is good. Ty Simpson's arm is good. He's not as good as like a sand Arnold or something. He's fast, but he's not as fast as Daniel Jones pre-Achilles. And I'm curious, why'd you pick Daniel Jones? Because I think Ty Simpson's a lot like Daniel Jones, honestly. Oh, really? I think he's kind of like a slower Daniel Jones. Oh, interesting. Do you see that? I'm not really sure the comp. Yeah, I don't know. Not really. I thought you just picked him because he's white. No, I actually had that written in my notes, and then Dane Brugler had it too. And I was like, okay, okay. That's a good sign. So yeah, I don't know. I guess my question for you is, well, I guess, what did you think of this before you thought Sean McVeigh liked him? And then after you found out? Well, my first reaction, and I've been very clear about this from the beginning, is just like, this is not a profile of a first round quarterback. They're wish casting what he can be based on some traits. And how many games did he start? 15 games in his career. And the first rounders this century have done that are Anthony Richardson, Dwayne Haskins. And even if you expand it to like 25 games, the list is pretty horrible. The only one who really pops is basically Josh Allen. Right. And like Sam Darnold, who is now on his fifth team. So yeah, I mean, to me, just the profile of a guy who's a, you know, took him four years or five years to get to actually become the starter on his team. He only has one year of starting experience. He was hurt for half of that year, which by the way, is possibly related to the fact that he's undersized. I think he's a quarterback who has below average traits and not very many starts. And so this is just to me a very narrow path in which he could be successful in the NFL. However, It sounds like they like his brain more than that. Well, yeah. And that's fair. But to me, that's like, I mean, he's like a coach's son. He went to Bama. I'm from Alabama and all my family's from Alabama. And like it's subconscious. Everything I just said though, like, He mentioned the Florida State thing twice in the 10 minute presser. I think that's a cute check. Yeah, they love that stuff. It's getting cute. It's getting it's getting extremely cute. But I want to say, I want to be clear because I said, and I said this before the draft, he said it was before he was picked by the Rams. I said, if he gets picked by the Rams, then all bets are off because of that offensive system, because McVeigh is the quarterback whisperer, because of so much success they've had in an offense. Now I'm like, he could be successful. He could be an outlier because he's on the Rams. Well, now he's just made McVeigh a whisperer because he's like, yeah, I like to pick him. But I still think this is a dumb pick. I think they could have gotten him quite a bit later. First of all, look, I could sit here and make the case for against Ty Simpson, because again, he got hurt halfway through the scene, his only year of playing, which you get to say, well, he got hurt because he's small. He's not the experience. He has half a good season. You also be like, well, he had this back injury in South Carolina, halfway through the season before the injury hit 20 touchdowns in one pick. Afterward, he had eight touchdowns and four picks. His completion percentage went from 70 to 60. But overall, I think he had the lowest interception rate in the history of Alabama football, less than an interception per 100 times. Like he'd go through all that and be like, oh, well, maybe he was good. The point to me though is the entire premise of taking a quarterback to when you are a super, when you are a Super Bowl team, and in the Rams mind, they were better than CXL last year and they should have won. And Zach Sharpe and I picked up the football and randomly and they should have won. The entire point though of a quarterback succession plan is organizational alignment. And the whole thing that Sean McVeigh, the quarterback whisperer, if Sean McVeigh is not on board, then there is no succession plan. Like the fact that he do like the idea that you would do this without McVeigh's blessing, never mind it actually being and maybe we're reading too much into it. I don't think we are because if he was excited and jazzed about it, he wouldn't look like that. He was pissed. He's pretty like clear. And it dude, he was pissed. Like if anyone here thinks we're reading too much into this, go up and pull up a video of like Sean McVeigh talking with someone they're excited about. Like go up when they got Devonta Adams. Yeah. And so we can move on to another pick, but I just think that is my lasting impression of this. The idea that you're going to have McVeigh invest time in a court, like you need McVeigh to care. Like you need him to want Ty Simpson to be the guy. And if he doesn't, like it's not going to work. It's just kind of weird. Stafford's 38 years old because the Super Bowls in LA this year, they were extremely close to winning a Super Bowl last year. And they did not select a player who will contribute to the team at the 13th overall. Right. Okay. We can go. So that's the most shocking moment of the draft. I actually think the most shocking moment of the draft was after the draft McVeigh saying, looking pissed. McVeigh closed the presser by saying they asked about like, you know, Ty Simpson learning behind under Matt Stafford. And he was like, yeah, no, I mean, it'll certainly be beneficial for Simpson. He'll be learning behind the learning behind the reigning MVP in a first ballot hall of famer. I was like, Hey, that's dude. That's that is anyway, the next one was shocking moment of the draft DK, which of the Notre Dame running backs to what in the first round was the most shocking moment to you? I would say we have Jeremiah Love at three to the Cardinals and Jadarian Price at 32 to the Seahawks. Jeremiah Love to the Cardinals with Arviel Reese on the board. So there was, there was a number of, yeah, the first round kind of went crazy. The way that everything kind of came off the board. Arviel Reese fell, he didn't fall that far, but he fell based on where everyone kind of expected to be. He fell just to the right spot. Yeah. And but to me, the Cardinals picking love with Reese on the board is like unforgivable. It's just, again, I don't, not to belabor what we said, basically this whole time, but this is not a team that's in the position to add a running back, and it's going to make a significant difference towards their wins. They don't even have a quarterback. They signed Tyler O'Gear. What are we doing? I have less of a problem with it being third and like, you can't take a running back third. To me, it's like, I thought if the Titans took a running back fourth or the commanders took a running back seven, I would have been fine with that because you ostensibly have your quarterback. Right. Like the Cardinals need fucking everything, and they, especially a quarterback, and you're taking Jeremiah Love, you're just going to burn a year of Jeremiah Love. When? At least a year, yeah. At least a year of Jeremiah Love, and then, and then cross your fingers that you find a quarterback next year. I mean, Jeremiah Love's fucking rookie contract might be done before they find their quarterback in Arizona. Yeah. When Jay Gruden was the head coach of Washington, he said that we would do four months of research, and then Dan Snyder would come in, get off his yacht, make the pick. I think the Cardinals, I'm willing to say, this is Michael Bidwell, the owner of the Cardinals, coming in and being like, I want Jeremiah Love because Arville Reese fundamentally is, tweeners may be the wrong word, but it's like, oh, he can play two positions. He's too close to Isaiah Simmons. And the Cardinals have drafted the amount of guys who were like, oh, he's like a linebacker defensive and hybrid, or he's like a linebacker safety hybrid. It's like Xavin Collins was like that, as the, you know, linebacker defensive. Isaiah Simmons was a safety linebacker hybrid. Deon Buchanan, Hasan Redek, they've had five first or four first run picks in the last, like, 15 years. That were that. None of them worked, really. And I think Michael Bidwell is basically like, I've heard this same pitch from three or four different coaching staffs. And Michael Bidwell was like, fuck that, I want the cool running back. And relatedly, I want to point out the Arizona Cardinals have never had a head coach longer than six years. The Arizona Cardinals, believe it or not, are the oldest team in the NFL. Is that right? They, they used to be in Chicago. The Cardinals are over 100 years old. The oldest franchise. I thought you meant the roster. No, not the roster. The Cardinals are the oldest franchise in the entire league. And they've never had a coach older than six years. And Michael Bidwell or his family has owned it like almost the entire time. And I just think these things are all related. The ownership is sneaky tumultuous on par with Cleveland and the Jets. And no one cares because the people don't care about Arizona and it's nice weather. No one's feel bad for them. But this is one of the worst ownership situations in the league. And I think it's that simple as he wanted a cool running back. You need a tackle. You don't have a quarterback. You need a lot of help on defense. And now this is a team with Jeremiah Love, Marvin Harrison Jr. and Trey McBride. And they signed Tyler L. Geer in the off season. It's worth remembering too what we were talking about last week with the draft, where the way it works is whoever the Cardinals take with the third pick is the way you get the slot is pre-negotiated as part of the collective bargaining agreement. The third pick in the draft is whoever the Cardinals took was going to get $52.5 million over four years. It doesn't matter if they took a quarterback or a running back. So when people talk about the value of a running back, it's a running back, top five salaries like $14 million and a quarterback's top five salaries, almost $50 million. And so if you take a different position, you're getting a deal because it's like you could walk into the supermarket and you're like, you get one thing. Do you want a Hershey's Bar or do you want like a Porterhouse stick? It's like the value. So like the running back comes in and like Jeremiah Love has the largest guarantee in the NFL, almost, I mean, it's 50 million in guaranteed salary, which is by far the most ever. No running back in NFL history has guaranteed that much money. It's 50% higher than Seyquan's guaranteed deal. Seyquan was 36 and Jeremiah Love was 50. And yeah, so I went back and looked at the, sorry, I have the, the Giants records during Seyquan's first four seasons. It was like four wins, four wins. He missed almost the entire season, then four wins. Well, this is, this is the thing with the running backs. We've, it's like the cherry on the bottom of the Sunday or the top. And it's like the first, the really high drafted running backs worked when it was, you go to the best offense line in the NFL. So it's Zeke Elliott to the Cowboys, it's Jameer Gibbs to the Lions, it's Seyquan going in free agency to the Eagles, or it's a running back going to the best offensive coach in the NFL. It's McAffrey to Shanahan, it's Gurley to McVay. The ones that don't work are McAffrey to the Panthers or Seyquan to the Giants or Gentry to the Raiders. It's like, it's like, yeah, four nets. Well, that, even then, I think, I mean, that was a bad pick. Like that kind of worked, but he was disappointing. Like for the most part, if you're a bad team, like you shouldn't have a running back this high in the Cardinals. Yeah. So if, you know, through the chiefs, maybe. Yeah. Anyway, just, just to me, it's just a gross misallocation of resources. You only have so many edges that you can find in the NFL. One of them is finding an elite player at a position where you're saving a whole lot of money. So like if they had taken our Velris there and he becomes a top tier pass rusher, you're saving an insane amount of money, which you can then put into other positions like say running back and whatever. And, but like, so that, so they're using a high-end draft piece of draft capital, number three overall pick, plus paying him at the top of the market. And also just the entire history that we have of like running backs, not really making that big of a difference if you're a bad team. It's also just like a lame spot for him to land. Like as a fan of football and I get fantasy football, I like, now what do I do? Well, and what are they going to do? A quarterback, by the way. It'll be a very interesting fantasy season for the Cardinals, because it's like whoever's throwing the ball, like they need to just throw it 50 times a game. And you can probably rack up a lot of fantasy stats, even though they're going to win two or three hits. Well, you know, it was sick though, was the Cardinals didn't take Arvill Reese. You know what? The Titans didn't take Arvill Reese. You know what? The Giants got Arvill Reese. And that was honestly the best draft moment I've had with the Giants in a couple of questions. Hyphens has had a shitty eating ground on his face for the last like two hours. I just, Arvill Reese and Red Bull just coursing through my face. Yeah, how many Red Bulls? Hyphens has had three Red Bulls in the last like hour and a half and it's 10 p.m. right now. He is wired. He's double fisting Red Bulls during the draft. I don't even know how that made sense, but he finished two Red Bulls at the same time. I don't know why he wasn't going one at a time. He's like, which one do I do? Do that again? No. No. I was doing like the Farva like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, wait one more time. No, that would be like more like up here. Okay. Wait, what would that be like? It'd be like up here. Yeah, we're talking. Yeah. If that's what you're looking for. What if the Red Bull can was really big and you needed two hands to drink it? It'd be like this, Craig. The Matt Khalil. I know what you're doing and I actually think it's funny. I know what you're doing and I don't like it. Hyphens, dude, you were, I haven't seen you that happy since he was jumping for joy. Yeah, you were like genuine jumping for joy. Danced around the office. I can't believe, I mean, the Jets didn't take Arvill Reese, which I think is hilarious. And then the Jets get David Bailey and then the Giants get Arvill Reese. I think they'll be compared for, I mean, the next five years basically. Can we talk about the Giants' defensive line? Just name the people on your office. I mean, they got ready to Dexter Lawrence, but now, I mean, the Giants have Brian Burns who sneakily had like 16 sacks last year. And then they have Abdul Carter, who is considered like a Micah Parsons clone that they took last year. And then I mean, Cave on Tibbeto, I kind of think is going to get traded tomorrow. But then you, now you have Arvill Reese, who, whether he's Edge Rush or Inside Linebacker, your member, he's like this. He's the green in the chessboard. Burns, Reese and Abdul Carter is freaking sick. Dude, I think Arvill Reese, some Giants fans are upset about this, this blows my mind. I think Arvill Reese is easily the best player in the draft or at least Jeremiah Love running back. Arvill Reese should be the number one player on every team's board other than Fernando Mendoza. I'm going to just steal like somewhat, this is, Oli Connolly had this at his sub-stack, read optional, but Oli Connolly was trained as a linebackers scout. And he had Arvill Reese as the second highest linebacker he had ever graded by Luke Keekley. Oh, which he's pretty good. Oh, oh, clear. Keekley was the same. And Reese, and for all that Reese has been kind of graded as an Edge Rusher, Arvill Reese kind of played linebacker at Ohio State. He kind of played both and he moved all over. He does some Edge Rusher stuff, but he's really playing linebacker. And I mean, Reese is elite athleticism. He is elite technique. He, I think he actually sees the game at an elite level. I think Oli Connolly made a great point that he doesn't get stuck in the mud. I almost think if it's like 1917, you know, the movie runs across the trenches. You have to be able to run through all this traffic. Yeah, you have to sift through the trash is the term that people use. And it's like, you have to move laterally while keeping your eye in the backfield and then still staying clean and not getting blocked to arrive at the ball carrier. He's really sneaky at getting through the line, too. Like he's big and powerful and he can overwhelm guys at the point of attack, but he's also really just slick at avoiding contact and getting into the backfield. Dude, Reese is the kind of guy that can go around a left tackle, but he also can probably cover for one play like the best receiver on a team. Maybe I know it's kind of an insane thing to say, but like he's sealing his defensive player there. I think just like he's an incredible player. He's able to do everything like he can line up a lot. Like I don't want him to be trained. It's just a regular Edge Rusher. I think that Abdul Carter and Arvill Reese, the upside is, well, Carter was a linebacker, too, before he switched over to linebacker. There's so much versatility with those playmakers. Dude, I am over the moon, but also the other things about Arvill Reese is, I mean, Solak talked to him at ESPN on, I don't know what ESPN does now, but it was a TikTok clone. They have Solak doing that. I don't know what it's called. Solak was described. Solak was like describing this. Those young people videos. Well, it wasn't on TikTok. It's ESPN built a clone in the ESPN app. And I'm like, oh, Solak, Dr. Arvill Reese. And he's like, explaining to Arvill Reese all these moves he does. And he was like, Arvill Reese is like, oh, is that what you call it? I don't know. I was kind of just vibing out there. I don't really know. And Solak's like, you never practice this? He's like, no, I don't know. I've been playing defensive in like one year. And it's like, Never. It's my first time. Literally, it's like, how often do you play? Never have. But it is kind of like that. But the little things with Arvill Reese, and I think the difference between him and other players is in DK. I mean, you know this better than me, but Arvill, he doesn't take any plays off like the motor and everything. Like, like even Sunny Styles, who some people were kind of like, Oh, Sunny Styles didn't miss any tackles. And those, well, sometimes he wasn't close enough there because he was kind of like getting a little bored. Arvill Reese is kind of doing all the little things well, the technique, the fundamentals, combined with the crazy athleticism and everything. I don't know. I think this guy is the limit. I think this I'm biased, but I think this was the absolute steal. He has one of, he has the highest upside of almost any player in the job, maybe any player in the draft. He could be, you know, Micah Parsons-esque caliber player. And then we have two Micah Parsons because Abdul Carter was Micah Parsons. Arvill Reese was Micah Parsons. The Packers only had one Micah Parsons and he tore his ACL. So we kind of have like, we kind of cornered the market on Micah Parsons. And we've learned that doubling down on what you're already good at is a good thing. Yeah. I wonder, I don't know if this would have made any difference whatsoever, but I wonder if the Giants had known that they were going to get Reese, if they still would be so excited to trade Dexter Lawrence. I kind of wish we'd kept them. You know what I mean? Because, I mean, that doesn't make a huge difference, but... Dude, if we had Lawrence still... Can you have like the greatest defensive line of all time? Yeah, I kind of wish we'd kept them and just, if we had a Reese... Just see how that goes. I kind of wish we did it on the clock, man. We would have just been like, you know what, we're good. Because I don't think there's any, I mean, very few permutations that I saw in Mock Drafts that Reese was falling much. I mean, I guess there was a few people that suggested it could happen, but... Well, it's funny because it really was like the perfect scenario for the Giants, because I bet you teams like Arizona and Tennessee had Reese graded very highly, but because we talked about earlier with Arizona being like, look, we don't want a tweener. We've failed at that, so we're going to go a different direction. And then when it comes to Tennessee at four, we were talking about how is Tennessee going to get somebody for Cam Ward? And Jeremiah Love was already gone. And I wonder if Jeremiah Love was there at four, Tennessee would have taken him. And, but they instead had to just go with like, all right, I guess we're going to take Cornel Tate because Jeremiah Love is gone and we need to get Cam Ward somebody. And then just Arville Reese happened to just be sitting there at five because of that. Oh my God, dude, I like shit myself. I could have been. I was the best. Yeah. This draft should be every day. The draft is crazy fun. It's great. Other than Arville Reese, what do you think was the best pick of the round, DK? First round. Oh yeah, let's do that. Best pick. The best overall pick. Other than Arville Reese, which was obviously the best pick. Ty Simpson? Can you believe Sean McFay, I kind of can't get over Sean McFay, didn't want a quarterback in the first round, as if he isn't like a Super Bowl winning guru, can do whatever the fuck he wants. I just can't believe it. So this, I feel like this could have been on the Rams. I can't get it. Like when Devonte Adams has like hamstring issues and who the hell knows what's going on with Puka, like it'd be nice to have Makaile Lemon. Is there a wide receiver three right now? Jordan Whittington? Whittington? Isn't it instructive though about life that even Sean McFay doesn't really get to pick the first? Like Sean McFay can just be like, I don't want a quarterback. He gets home tonight and she's like, how was work? He's like, fucking my boss is an asshole. Quarterback one MVP is like, we had to get another one. It's, there's a lesson in there somewhere. Anyway. Yeah. So to me, to answer the question of who the best pick was, I don't know if there was one clear cut. Huge hit. This was the best pick, but it seems to happen every year. Outside. Yeah. All right. Calm down. It's the Red Bull talk. Yeah. This seems to happen every year. The Ravens kind of just sit there. No one's thinking about them. There's a couple teams that always just seems to overthink everything. And then some really good player lands in the Ravens lap. It just seems to happen every year. I feel like it's Philly. It's Baltimore. Dallas. Dallas always drafted as well. There's always a few teams. Dallas getting Caleb Downs. Oh my God. Great pick. Yeah. I mean, that's perfect for them. But the Ravens. The Ravens taking Vega Ioni and Ioannay, I should say. Just perfect, I think for a lot of reasons. Number one, he just feels like a Ravens type player. Super reliable, super tough, physical, going to kick you like, he's a guard, offensive guard, which by the way, because the Bengals, this division rival, probably the greatest threat to the Ravens in the division. Sorry, not the Steelers, although maybe we'll see. But anyway, the Bengals obviously went and traded for Dexter Lawrence. The team that won the division last year is not the biggest threat. Yeah. That beat them to win the division. Correct. Is it even a more forgettable division title than the Steelers? No. Yes, that's correct. Anyway, they went and traded for an elite defensive tackle and losing, after losing Tyler Linderbaum, that's a huge question mark, interior defensive line, our offensive line for the Ravens. And so I just thought just a perfect sort of storm of like, we're just going to sit here and let a really good player fall to us. I think obviously he's a guard, so that's not as elite of a position in terms of value. But for what they want to do, it makes a lot of sense. Plus, you know, going to open up run lanes for Derek Henry, going to give Lamar Jackson a little bit cleaner pocket. That was a huge issue for him last year. Took way more sacks than he normally takes. So to me, that was a great one. And then right after that. Well, just on the Ravens thing, it's worth noting guard was the downfall of the Ravens last year. The Ravens went in with this experimental attempted guard, where they had the biggest guard that's ever been a guard is Daniel Falele at left guard. Six feet eight. Yeah, he's like six feet eight. And he's on the giant's house, a backup guard. But like, and then Andrew Voorhees was there, the left guard. And then he, he had like a bunch of knee injuries or leg injuries early in his career. They tried to like just take him and see if he could be an experiment. And just, it was like a total experiment for a team that should win a Super Bowl. And they paid the price because Lamar got hurt and everything was horrible. But then, I mean, you want to use second female American, but no sacks allowed, no holding flags the past two years. And that's from Daniel. Just as reliable as you get. And he can play in any scheme. Plug and play immediately. Yeah. And they signed John Simpson's, you have Derek Henry running behind the guard. But yeah, the fact that the Ravens also got to pick between you want a, and then Reuben Bain, and then they picked one. And then the Buccaneers gave Reuben Bain at 15. It was also pretty crazy. I think on the, on the broadcast, I don't remember who, who said it was like, they're in no world did they think that Reuben Bain was going to be there. I mean, a month ago, Reuben Bain was like the fourth pick at the top. Top five pick? Yeah. And obviously, look, there is the issue that he has with, with the shorter arms. There is the recent report that he was involved in that car accident when a person was killed. But, you know, I don't think anyone really thought he would fall this far in the draft 15th overall pick. I mean, this is a guy who was one of the most, if not the most, productive pass rusher in college football. He brings positional versatility. I think he could line up in sub packages on the inside and just absolutely wreck shop against guards. He's powerful, tough, physical, explosive, really strong, good against the run. He can play every down. Yeah. So, but shorter arms. He's like a good player. Just like, this is another type of thing that Bucs tend to have, have happened to them. I feel like they just pick good trench players. So, Reuben, he, Reuben Bain was the, he was named the top defensive end in college football last year. He led the entire college football quarterback pressures. It's the most that a guy's had in college football in like almost 10 years, which the more college football playoff games they had, he played more games, right? He also played more staffs than anyone college football. So, it's weird because he led in all pressures, but was like 40th in pressure rate. But regardless, but he's playing, he was the best defensive, like defensive lineman. And yeah, shortest arms for a guy for an edge rusher in round one since in at least all of those, those criticisms start to fade away when you're at the 15th pick. Right. Yes. In a draft like this, especially, I mean, he was, I think the, the biggest blue chip player left on the board there. And the other, the other one that I just think was like the best pick was the Cowboys trading, the Cowboys getting Caleb Downs with the 11th pick is unbelievable. Yeah. They swapped picks with Miami basically to move up. Gave two fifth round picks to move from 12 to 11 and then got Caleb Downs. I just still think Caleb Downs is maybe the best defender in college football for two years in a row. I mean, he was a freshman. He was the first freshman to ever lead Alabama in tackles. I think he led Alabama in tackles by like 40 tackles. We were sitting there watching the, the Giants at the 10th pick and if they had selected Caleb Downs, I think Hyphids would have sprouted Red Bull wings and flown off into the heavens. He wouldn't be here right now. I was, dude, I was, I was about to spin off his plan. I want, I thought it was going to be awesome. Reese and Downs, the Giants would have been really cool. Oh my God. I would have, I would have, I really would have. And they took Maui Ngo, which is fine, but. It was just like vegetables. Like a sign pick. Yeah. It's a good pick. I wanted a third Red Bull. But I mean, so Caleb Downs, so he's Josh Downs, his younger brother, the receiver from the Colts. His uncle's Drabe Lye, who was always a great trade target in Madden. Great name. Yeah. All time, all time. So good. So I killed down, transfer to House State when Saban retired and he just immediately won a national championship. And I would argue maybe the best player on that national championship team, which between last year's draft and this year's draft, what, like over 20 guys are going to draft. He's like the most competent college football player last year. Yeah. And I just, he's the definition of a football player, you know what I mean? Because he's not the biggest guy. He's not the fastest guy or explosive guy or whatever. And those are the types of players that typically would go a little bit higher, but just instinctive, knows where to go, knows where the ball is going, can read the defense, can read the quarterback's eyes, recognize his route concepts, anticipates where he needs to be, undercuts routes, gets to the football. He can play the run, can play the pass. He can line up everywhere on the field. He's going to start out. I think I heard that he was going to start out at nickel. Yeah. Down. It's just like, it's his versatility and just pro maturity, I think is what really stands out. Meenakind's compared him to like Brian Branch, and I do think he's killed downs is like a better Brian Branch. I would also say Kaled Downs reminds me of JSN in that Jackson, Suthinjig, but when you watch college football, when he was healthy, you're like, well, he's one of the better players I've ever seen. And then you go through the draft brain and you're like, he's not that fast. And it's like, was like, how's he at football? Oh my God, he's incredible. Catches everything. He's, you know what I mean? And then somehow JSN gets 20th and Down's going 11th reminds me of that in a bad draft that 10 guys go ahead of him. And of course, Dallas, man, Dallas. It's good at drafting. Anybody can be good at drafting. It is funny. Your players is the hard part. It is funny for how much shit and how much everybody makes fun of Dallas, that they are like quietly awesome at draft. Do you think Bill Clinton helped Jerry Jones make the pick? Freaking, what is this? What world are we living in? We didn't talk enough that Jerry Jones saw Bill Clinton at, I thought this was AI when I first saw it, that like Bill Clinton walked into draft, free draft press conference. Bill Clinton just walks in and then Jerry gets up and like actually falls and then he stumbles. He stumbles, but he was gonna fall and they caught him. I did not see that. He kind of caught himself in it. Someone had to go away. His leg kind of supported him. He was caught. Oh, it didn't look like it to me. Do we need to argue whether he fell in that? Should we zippruder film this? He almost fell into Bill Clinton and did a two for one. Like he almost traded that. Like him and Bill Clinton almost just broke both their hips the day before the draft. What was Bill Clinton doing there? I think Arkansas, old Arkansas money. What? He was there? Well, I don't know why he was there, but I'm saying I think they go back like 40 years. But he's asking like why was he there at that moment? I don't know. I've been waiting for someone to tell me this. I have no idea. Why is he at the fucking Cowboys? Maybe he picked Caleb down. It's fucking crazy. What are we doing? He wasn't like the headliner. He just came in. Yeah. It wasn't even planned. You know what's funny? In my head, Bill Clinton is like ancient because he was the president so long before I was born and he's still younger than Trump and Biden. It's fucking crazy. It's crazy. Dude, Al Gore is younger than these people. It's wild. My head is unbelievable. Bill Clinton is like 98 years old. Oh my god. The other pick I want to shout out for one of the better picks of the first round. This is less sexy, but I just think the Browns did a good job. For the Browns, you know what? We got out of this. We'll get to the Jets. There are two franchises that I don't trust the most. It's Browns and the Jets. I thought the Browns actually did a decent job. They had the sixth pick. They traded out of it down to nine with the chiefs. The chiefs took Mansour to lane the corner and the Browns at nine, they got a third and a fifth back from Kansas City. They went back to nine and then they took Spencer Fano, who it was the first tackle taken in the draft, who they probably would have just taken at six. So I thought that was nice that they basically still got to pick the first tackle in the draft at nine instead of six and then at 24, the 24th pick, they had a second first round pick. They took Casey Concepcion, the wide receiver, which decays the third wide receiver on your board. I really liked him. I thought that was a great value for them. Yes. Two things they needed. They needed a number one wide receiver. They needed a tackle and they were able to trade back and still get both of those. Two more picks. Yeah. Yeah. Very competent first round for the Browns. This is exactly the type of draft you would have expected, a really analytics heavy front office to execute. And you know, I think they've been all over the place. Like the trade for Deshaun Watson was, you know, you didn't like that one? No, that one didn't turn out. That one didn't age so well. You sure? We'll see. We didn't like it when it happened either for the record. Right. But yeah, I know. But to me, this was like exactly what you picture in your mind when you're like, oh, this is an analytics heavy front office is trade back, pick up extra picks, take more swings that they still got their top ring tackle. He was the first tackle off the board. He's a really good player. Also, exactly what they needed. Go back to last year, like trading out of two to get an extra first one pick for the Travis Hunter selection. They still got Mason Graham, a guy that probably wouldn't have taken it anyway. Well, Travis Hunter is going to be the best football player of all time. So that's probably a bad player. Jerry's still out. I mean, yeah. But yeah, so I agree with you. Like just all things consider Browns, they're really good job. It's hard to get excited about the Browns, but that's a really solid step forward. They also took the defensive rookie of the year in the second round last year. Like the quench on injections. Right. Like on the field seems to be like a very good player jogging around at OTAs. Judkins was last year. I'm just saying like the Browns in the last two years have done really well. But Pep Peeve is the object permanent. This is an annoying thing that I believe that just I when guys get hurt and then they just six months later are jogging or moving and everyone's like, dude, he's fine. I'm like, what do you think he was doing? I just, but it's not just you. It's just I don't know. I'm it really is stupid. Yes. But like when you watch a guy move, they're going out there and they're playing catch. My home's my home's just thrown off. He's in shorts. You can jog with a torn ACL. You can jog with an ACL. My dad towards ACL when he was 39 has yet to had surgery. Some people just don't need a ACL. He can still run it. Okay. Worst picks, aka bowl strategy cotton. So yeah, who wants to go? I can start it off. I was really shocked when the Vikings at what pick was it? Pick 18. Pick 18. And there's a lot of really good players on the board. Monroe Freeling is still on the board. A lot of guys are falling. A handful of the good receivers. I know you work in after grades, but people need to know what college position Monroe Freeling from Georgia. Tackle. Tackle who was, you know, really, really highly rated guy, great athlete. Dylan Deanamin was still on the board. He was still there. He was really highly connected to them. Safety at Oregon. So several corners, I think people thought they might need to learn. Did they take any of those really good players? The Vikings to the board? But instead they took Caleb Banks who look, I understand the appeal and he's a defensive tackle of Florida. A siren song because he's 6'6", 327. He moves really well. What did you say? Identifying who these people are. You've just been studying the draft for months. No one knows the Caleb Banks. You need to give a position in a column. Yeah, I'm like the Tony Hale. Julian Lewis is here. He's like, why for daughter? Why for daughter? Why for daughter is the best game of all time. Anyway, Caleb Banks. Defensive tackle out of Florida. Thank you. Anyway, he, I think the potential is there. Like this is a really high variance, very risky play for the Vikings. I was surprised to see them do something like this. I thought Caleb Banks would probably be a second rounder because, and that's I think what most people thought going into the draft, because he missed almost the entire 2025 season to a foot injury. He broke his foot in the pre-season, tried to come back. Why do you have a shit eating grin on your face? I was just staring at me. I'm thinking about Tony Hale and me. Just thinking about him. Wife not daughter. Wife not daughter. Anyway, also because he's 350 pounds, he broke his foot. Well, he's like 330. Yeah, 330 and then he broke his foot again. He broke his foot at the combine. And he went 18th. And he, by the way, he ran really fast. He was like one of the most athletic defensive tackles we've ever seen. So fast. He broke his foot. On a fucking broken foot. I feel like when defensive tackles have foot injuries, they just disappear. Like think about Johnny Newton. What has he done for Washington? Like, I mean, to me, and that's what this is exactly the point is. This is the probably the riskiest, maybe the riskiest. I don't know, Ty Simpson maybe is a little bit more risky, but one of the riskiest picks in the first round because big guys with foot injuries, there's not a great history there. And, you know, again, they're kind of in that position where they could be in their window to compete right now. They wouldn't get Kyler Murray. Like there's people that have high expectations for this team. But to me, that was just kind of a weird pick. Honestly, like I thought he would be an early second rounder. That's not like a huge difference, I guess. But yeah, especially with all the people that were still on the board. It's worth remembering the Vikings fired their general manager a few months ago, Cuosia de Fimensa. And then Kevin O'Connell is the head coach there. And then they have an assistant. Yeah, but I don't know how much power it is, but it's worth remembering. I assume Kevin O'Connell has more power there than like the interim general manager. Like, and so this is, it's kind of like a lot of, it's funny because some teams are like what the Rams are doing where even you think they're win now, but it's less need the GM is like, we're going to think about the future even if we don't want to. And then there are teams where Dave Canales, the Panthers head coach just says at the onus meeting and just refreshing onus. He's like, yeah, I really want to start. It can help us immediately. And I don't really care about long term or value or anything. I want to starter. And that is how some teams think. And I think this is when coaches get involved, coaches want fucking starters. And I think that that's what the Vikings did. But he might be, I mean, he's hurt. He's supposed to be ready for the for what it's worth. He's, he's, I saw a report that said he's supposed to, he's on track to be on the field in June, which gives him plenty of leeway, but Call me when he's jogging in a video. Yeah. Any other, or should we jump shots? Any other bold strategy cottons for you? I just want to kind of generally shout out the jets because the jets took three players in the first round. They traded in for a third at the end. They took David Bailey second instead of Arville Reese. That's going to be interesting to watch that those two players. I think it was a little cowardly. Yeah. It's like the higher floor safer pick. It's, yeah, it's a coach in GM, or I guess GM's new, but the coach feeling a lot of pressure to win right away. You think he was making that pick? I think, but here's the thing. Do you feel like, it isn't half the reason David Bailey is getting picked here is because he probably fits a little better with what Aaron Glenn wants to do. Or do you think that if Aaron Glenn gets fired, David Bailey fits with whatever the next coach would do? Either way, it's just a losing mentality to take at the number two pick a lesser player, a safer player that like, well, you're like, well, we'll probably screw them up anyway. Maybe there's some kind of profound self-awareness there, but it just feels like they're like, no, I don't want a Ferrari. I don't know how to drive it. I can't drive a stick shift. I can't drive a stick. That's pretty good. So we can't get an Aston Martin. I don't know how. So yeah, the Bailey over Reese thing, that's going to be very interesting as we go along. Like if Arville Reese is incredible through eight weeks, that's going to look really bad really quickly. Then they take Kenyon Siddique, the tight end of the Oregon 16th overall, which was slightly puzzling because last year they took a tight end 42nd overall, Mason Taylor, who was pretty good and seems like a hit of a pick. And it's like, okay, two tight end sets, stuff like that. Mason Taylor and Kenyon Siddique are like both more past catching tight ends. So it's like, how often are these guys going to be on the field? Are you picking a guy 16th overall who's not going to be a full-time player? And then they go on and they take another pass catcher, NoMar Cooper at the end of the first. And it's like, you just took two wide receivers in the first round basically and you just took a time. So I don't know. It's a little confusing to me what they're doing. Dude, I, Jets fans are angry enough at me, but I would say this about anything. When you take two tight ends that are both kind of past catching tight ends that also both kind of struggle to block. And like, I think Kenyon Siddique's a willing blocker, but he's like the fastest tight end 40 yard dash in like 20 years or the fastest tight instance, Vernon Davis, that's the idea. He's not that big, he's 64, 250, like DK. Like when the Raiders do it for Brock Bowers, that's like, well, we can't not take Brock Bowers because we took Michael Mayer. So he's just going to start over Michael Mayer's better. This is more like, oh, we'll take two tight ends, we'll run two tight end sets. Do you feel like that ever works? No, it seems like we'll just two, we'll have two tight ends that we, and we'll play both of them. Like that's, I don't get it. It's usually not, I mean, like there's two examples of it ever working or whatever. It's like Gronk and Aaron Hernandez. The convicted murder is dead. Yeah, yeah. I like that name. Actually, sorry. I was like Jordan Reed. That's the sound right. Sorry, Jordan Reed. Who was it? What was his name again? I'm fucking late. I haven't had two Red Bulls. Three. Also, I should take that back. He's not a convicted murder anymore because actually, he died during an appeal, so he actually was not, he was unconvicted, believe it or not. All right, cool. No, but the point stands is, to me, it feels like there's redundancy there, so it's like either going to be one or the other. And so you're kind of giving up on, you're giving up on the other guy, Taylor, and going with this. And I like, I don't know, they're not in that, they're not in a place where they can be doing that, I feel like. I don't know. Maybe Kenyan's just awesome. I just also, I don't like, I don't love athletic tight ends. They're like, oh, it's just everyone's like, oh, he's going to grab like, if he was in last year's draft, he would just, he's not in the same class as Tyler Warren or Colson Love. He's just not in the same caliber. I mean, the production was not there, which is a huge red flag. And he had the most touchdowns of any tight end college football last year, but it was like eight. And I'm like, okay, it's not like 15. Like, I don't know. I just feel like, honestly, I don't think he was the best tight end on that Oregon team. I think a year from now, we're going to be talking about like, Jamari Johnson's like a better tight end than him. I don't know. It's, I don't want Kenyan's Sadiq to be bad. I should would love Garrett Wilson and Kenyan Sadiq and Omar Cooper could be good and Breez Hall, but I don't know. Why would you do this? They drafted a receiver end, a tight end, in the first draft. It's so scary. What's the deepest position in this entire draft, maybe? Tight end? Well, probably a receiver. Okay, I just, I don't know why either way. Yeah, dip in the time. I don't get it. Yeah. Also, I think with Sadiq, he's the type of guy who is probably going to need like a couple of years. You know what I mean? Like he's definitely the athleticism, the freakiness and speed, everything that he brings is there, but the production wasn't there. So what's the question is, like, how does that translate? Is he going to be asked to be on the field every, every, every down? I think he probably could do that, but there's like a certain way that he can do it. I'm ready. I'll counter my own, my own pick here. The Jets have three first round picks in 2027. So in theory, you know, we're looking at Arizona has like, wow, you have Jeremiah Love, you have Marvin Harrison, you have Tremac Bright, you have no quarterback. The Jets like, oh, you have Garrett Wilson, you have two tight ends you like, you have Breez Hall, you have now Omar Cooper, you have no quarterback or, you know, Geno Smith. But maybe it's maybe the Jets are like, fuck it, man. Sedeek was, was the highest guy on our board. We think he's awesome. We have three first round picks next year. We feel very confident that we are going to get a quarterback. I'm like, let's just build the ship now so that when the quarterback steps in next season, he'll have people to work with. I don't have a problem with that. I just kind of, I don't really believe in Sedeek as much. Maybe he's awesome. Maybe I'm totally wrong. And like, maybe it'll be fantastic. Because again, I mean, the Jets now have first round pick Garrett Wilson, first round pick Omar Cooper, first round pick Kenyon Sedeek, very high second round pick Mason Taylor, first round left tackle, first round right tackle. And then, I mean, the interior guards aren't cheap. Like they have, well, the interior offensive line is now more of a question, but I mean, man, like that's a lot of investment. So they, yeah, they better get a quarterback next year. Could have taken, could have taken a corner at that spot. Sorry, taking or took in. I was like, could have, could have, get your chain took, could have took a, could have took it anyway. I think it's, could have took a, you can tell it's late because that was not that funny. What was it last year where I left this like you said really hard, you're like, that's so awkward. So it was at this table. Yeah. No, it was the, it was the other one. It was the other one. 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Also people are going to yell like, well, rookie tight ends have been better lately. Brock Bowers was one of the best tight end prospects ever. It's like a true fresh venues. Yeah. Kyle Pitts was also one of the best tight end prospects ever, whatever you think of him. And then Tyler Warren was production wise, had one of the best seasons I've ever referred to. Like all those guys coming to college were like completely outliers. Yeah. And like Kenyan Seeks, not like that. Otherwise, carnal taste to the tight ends. One, I still kind of like, I called them teeny higgins. And I still kind of think that's the comp where it's like, probably one of the better number two receivers in the NFL. And it's kind of like, what if T Higgins was smaller and got the chance to be on the Titans with Cam Ward? I kind of like that. I still think Cam Ward, it's a lot of Matt Stafford to him, where you throw and I think carnal taste is a great catch radius. I just want to say, I love that the Titans did this. Did we not talk about that much? I know. People, Titans fans kind of mad at me for poo pooing the whole Jeremiah Love thing for the last couple of months. I'm so glad it worked out this way for them. Jeremiah Love wasn't there for him. So they didn't have that choice to make. But I think they made a right, the right move, taking carnal taste. He was my top receiver by far. He was in his own tier by himself. And I think he is actually exactly what Cam Ward needs. Yeah. He's really reliable, great hands. He wins combat catches and Cam Ward is the type of guy who throw the ball up and let his receivers do the work down the field. And he's like a, he's going to be their number one receiver. I think he has the skill set and traits to be a number one receiver, even though he wasn't playing next to Jeremiah Smith. Yeah. I like this a lot. And I think he's also among the rookies for at least the first season, for like redraft fantasy. He's probably the highest ranked guy. He's probably number one. I mean, yes, because let's go, let's just go down the list of the receivers. Jordan Tyson landed with the Saints. Yes. It's a pretty good landing spot. It's not bad. I mean, considering that a lot of it is there, but I mean, there is literally nothing else. So it depends how much you believe in Tyler Schuck, but like, exactly, you know, he's going to be like on the field every snap and the number two on the stick. Yeah. And Kellen Moore has been a big proponent of running a lot of plays and like fantasy, the more plays you have, the better chances you have of scoring points. And so I think, I mean, just being in that offense, like it's going to, I think he's probably going forward. The wide receiver one in fantasy, don't you think? Like, do you think you would take him over him or Tate? Like in dynasty or next year? For this next year? Probably Tate. Tate. Oh, okay. Tate and redraft. Pretty close, I think. Yeah. I mean, also, Jordan Tyson, not the healthiest guy in the world. Chris Alavine, not the healthiest guy in the world. Like there's a lot of up in the air in New Orleans. That's true. So then going down the line, Mackay Lemon landed with the Eagles. They traded up to grab him. I can't believe you're just gone. We're going to get to that. Let's linger on this, though. Mackay Lemon on the Eagles. Sure. Wait, sorry. You got to... Right. He did this again, by the way. He did do it again. It's just in his DNA. He's one percent snake. He's shifting. One percent snake. So the Steelers had the 21st pick. The 20th pick was on the clock and it was Dallas. Apparently Pittsburgh, this was reported after the drop. Apparently Pittsburgh was on the phone with Lemon. No, Lemon said it. Yeah. Oh, Lemon said it. Steelers were on the phone with him being like, we're going to take you at 21. And then the Eagles trade up with Dallas, their division rival, trade up to 20, swoop in and take Mackay Lemon, which I'm fine with. But it did sting a little bit. I was like, oh, now that even though I wasn't the biggest Mackay Lemon guy, I'm like, fuck. Steelers never do shit like that. He would be kind of perfect for what they need. I know. It's like he's kind of differentiated the styles of DK, Mackay, Kevin Pittman and Lemon would have been cool. But now, so now in Philly, you have AJ Brown and Devonte Smith. You have Mackay Lemon. They brought in Devonte, Don Tavion Wicks. This all but confirms that AJ Brown's gone. AJ Brown's going to get traded after the dude first headline of the Patriots. Yes. He's going to get traded. Well, it's now it's an interesting group. Like AJ Brown worked for Jaylen Hertz because he's like really good down the sound. He's this big body and it's like. Yeah, throw it up to him. Mackay Lemon is more of like an over the middle of the field guy. And now you have Devonte Smith, who's like a very specific build at wide receiver. You have Mackay Lemon. Well, he's good downfield. But I agree. I mean, I mean, he should. Yeah, the super ball. It's an interesting collection of people for Jaylen Hertz. 100%. I don't know. I mean, it was the first thing when he got drafted. You said was you were like fit into this offense because they don't really pass over the middle of field. Yeah. Well, they're going to try to get Jaylen Hertz to pass over the middle field. I would say I think Lemon could do some of the stuff. It's going to be interesting to see kind of how they deploy him because but I do think like I'm thinking of AJ Brown, his deployment. I know his was more from like an exposition, but we're in an active war. We can't just say deployment. The way that he was utilized. You can't say that. I can't say it. I'm sorry. People will get confused. Right. It's late. You just said, you know, his people will think AJ Brown's in Iran right now. Yeah. I don't want that. You don't want that. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. The way that he was utilized in the offense, where he went on the field, would you go run over there and get on the right side? He was running slant. Like, you know, he'll get off the line, run a slant, they'll throw a slant to him and then a run after the catch. Yeah. But AJ Brown's fucking huge. Right. But I think in different ways, M'Kai Lemon lining up in the slot could do a lot of that type of stuff. We saw that a lot when he was at UNC, where he was catching the ball, running after the catch, creating after the catch because he's really, you know, he turns into like a running back after the catch. But I do think. What is your grade this? Who graded it be? I think it's because I think it's. I wish you had been doing these grades. It's one of those things where are they doing this because they want to help Jalen Hertz do better over the middle of the field? I think that's kind of like. Or was it like we're getting rid of AJ Brown and this guy's the best receiver on our board? I think that Howie Rosman doesn't know the draft receivers. He's like, fuck it. They're throwing darts at a board. I do think it's about getting over the middle of the field. I got to tell you, I didn't think I would like M'Kai Lemon as much as I did. But first, I wanted to pull it to call for best receiver in the country. I don't think I care about that anymore. After the Jalen Hyatt, that would be sure. Yeah. Once I read the last 15 winners and like five of them worked, you're like, ah. But what I do like though is so, and again, Dane Brugler had a lot of these stats at the beast, which is the most comprehensive document I've ever seen about him. I really enjoyed his article where he like attached movie quotes. Yeah, that's fine. Shout out to Dane for that. I still can't believe Dane Brugler ranked like 40 kickers. Yeah. I still, Jesus. Sicko behavior. It's real. I'm concerned for him. Moon Sullivan is 48th ranked kicker. No kicker in the first round. No. No darn. But Dane had this that busted my parley. M'Kai Lemon had, he led all college football in first downs. And he also were the first on catches. And he also was the only big 10 player with 500 yards after the catch. And I also just liked it. So M'Kai Lemon played cornerback in high school and his freshman year. Yeah, USC. And I like, I think you could see that in his game. And M'Kai Lemon has talked about how he thinks playing cornerback even for like a limited time in college, let's, he under, he's a better idea of like what cornerbacks are trying to do. And then he sits in zones. And so it's like the only issues of the M'Kai Lemon's game are his size and the lack of like an elite top gear at speed. But like how many times do we need to see that receivers don't need elite speed? Justin Jefferson does not have like elite speed like Jackson Smith and Jig, but it's not have like an elite top gear. They're still wide open all the time. M'Kai Lemon, he's a smaller guy. I mean, he compares himself to a man. But everything that you want a receiver like, well, he gets open, his route running is great. His hands are unbelievable. He's incredible after the catch. He doesn't go down easily. He knows how to find slots and he blocks his ass off. And I'm like, this is everything you want a football player. He's just not in like the perfect Calvin Johnson body. But I'm like, I'm pissed that he went to the Eagles. Oh, the Steelers show on it. That's pretty, that's brutal. Can you imagine being in the Steelers war room and just sorry, their draft room? Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. And having that happen, they're literally talking to the guy they're about to on the phone. That's tough. That's, that is, it's actually embarrassing that they call them and they're just like, yeah, yeah, like, there's no, like, it's kind of pathetic. Kind of pathetic. It's a tough beat. I don't know, that's pathetic, but like they're just doing what they're supposed to do. You're talking about jigsaw, like you're just calling the guy? What else do you do? You wait for, I don't know, wouldn't you wait for the other pick to be in? It is a little bit like, embarrassing. It's like, I'm sure it's very common. Yeah. You have to get a little ahead of it. I just assumed that they would know, I guess I just assumed when they call the guys that they know that the team ahead of them is not calling the guy. Yeah, I would, I would, I see your point. I don't know, but I don't know how common that is just because of like, you want to get ahead of it. Maybe, but it's just the idea that you're, every time I've ever seen a player on the phone with them, I just kind of assumed they're like, yeah, yeah, the team that's calling is on the clock. Hasn't been picked yet. I don't know. So, okay, fantasy wise. So we have Carnell Tate, we think this year is the number one guy in redraft. We'd probably say him or Jordan Tate's nice day. And is Mackay Lemon not in that conversation? No. What do we do with Jaylen Hurts? Let's say AJ Brown's gone. But Jaylen Hurts can be an under center offense. If AJ Brown's gone. I'm still a little bit worried about the volume. What do we do? We do the Eagles offense. Yeah. And then, and then you have the fact that he doesn't really fit what they've done and the where, and where Jaylen Hurts likes to throw the football. You've Omar Cooper on the jets. And then we have Casey Concepcion to the Browns, which we should give him his own award of like, I'll see you in three years, buddy. Gone, but not forgotten. Casey. Good luck. Love your tape. Love your tape. I'm making a pact with myself right now. I, there's no chance I'm drafting Casey Concepcion. If he's happy, I'll be so, every time he catches a pass, I'll be so happy for him. And I will, there's no chance. So we think it goes. Fantasy waistline. Tate, Tyson, who's three? With Gino, I actually kind of trust Gino to get Omar Cooper the ball more than first lemon. Maybe. That's kind of a sneaky one. I like that. Can I, can I make the case for Casey Concepcion and say, Get the fuck out. No, I don't, you could. You could. Can I, can I hit you with a, someone's got to catch the ball in this offense. I know that Harold. You're going to, you're going to, you're going to have a Cleveland Browns receiver. It's not like the fucking jet, the jet situation is fantastic. Well, at least they don't have lake effect effecting. Even if you have a Browns receiver and they're good and then you like turn on the Browns game in December, you're like, Oh yeah, right. They're on Lake Erie and like this is, it's funny. I'll probably just slot into the number three spot wherever Denzel Boston lands. I'll take him at three. Okay. All right. Highest upside picks of the draft. I want to start, honestly, Washington getting sunny styles and linebacker. I, I, I don't kind of flew under the radar a little. I love sunny styles. I think I lost my love for him when people kept saying the Giants would get him only because I'm like, we just signed to Tremaine Edmonds to like 12 million a year. I don't know why. Like we're going to also spend the fifth pick on a linebacker. Sunny styles is awesome. And what the NFC is just getting all these Ohio State guys, like downs went to the Dallas Cowboys, the Giants got our Velries almost got downs and the Washington getting sunny styles. He's a perfect successor to Bobby Wagner. I think that's a frustratingly exactly what Washington need. Yeah. But I don't know what do you think is the highest upside pick? Other than our Velries to the Giants. The styles one is great. The chiefs one that I thought was interesting in the late part of the draft was Peter Woods because again, going back to defense attacker from Clemson. Yeah. Shia Lid. Shia Lid. Wife not daughter. Wife not daughter. No, daughter not wife. No, wife not daughter. Yeah. Going back to coming into this college season, there were some people that thought he could be like a top five pick. Mood deep. Yeah. Yeah. Little desert mouse. They're calling him Mood deep. Nasty women. They call him Lisa no game. By the way, I compared him to Shia Lid is why Craig is doing that. Yeah. The sandworms. From Dune. The movie I saw the first seven minutes of Dune 3. He likes to chase the rhythmic footsteps of a quarterback into the pocket. Yeah. Anyway, yeah. To me as one of the more fascinating Chris Jones, should I even keep going? Yeah, you should. No, this is actually. This point of like DIY. No, keep going, please. He's a defensive tackle. He could be good. He moves really well. And put him next to Chris Jones maybe. Sure. You can see something happen there. Yeah. Very high upside pick. That is the definition of a high upside pick. Thanks, Craig. Mine would probably be, I think this is less high upside than like Sonny Styles and Peter Woods, but I just liked the Bears getting Dylan Thieneman, the safety out of Oregon. So late. He went 25th. The Bears lost both of their safeties that Dracuan Brisker and Kevin Byrd. And so now they have Kobe Bryant, not the Lakers player, Kobe Bryant. We're in an act before. But, so now they have Kobe Bryant, Dylan Thieneman, which DK, your comp for him was Shades of Dracuan Brisker, the guy they literally just lost. Right, right. So I don't know. I just feel like he's a really versatile, like great safety. He was awesome at Oregon and the Bears just getting him at 25 was a fantastic pick. I just remember Brisker towards the end of the season was having some incredible performances. Dude, that Packers game. He's dominating. Basically, you could line him up in the slot. You can line him up deep. What team did he land on? Yeah, where is he? He went to the Steelers. That's right, baby. Oh, okay. Hey, oh. Anyway, yeah, he, just the versatility coverage, playing the run, coming down into the box and blitzing. I can like do a little bit of everything. Yeah. He's, and he's really fast, instinctive. I really like that pick. I feel like that that was one of the low key, just best picks of the round. Yeah, that was, I'm shocked Carolina didn't take him. That was responsible and boring of the Panthers to just take Monroe freely. They got left to Accoleta, Georgia. And I think they were kind of shocked. I wonder if they thought he was even going to be there. Yeah. I love, I love also every team just says that they're like, we can't believe he was here. It's just the 26 picks. The Patriots. Sometimes it's true though. Yeah. Who are the most, what were your favorite like boring, responsible, go home to your wife picks? Where like, like the Steelers. Were you saying about the Patriots? The Steelers taking out like a tackle. I was like, I wanted Thiena Men or Denzel Boston or someone cool. And I'm like, eh, yeah, yeah. I mean, that was, that's actually a good one. And Craig's reaction live to that pick was like, you get up by the TV, you're all excited. Heart rates up. And then it's Max Hennichore. And you're like, okay. I'm like, yeah, look, I've been shitting on Roger Jones for two years. Like this is probably good. This is fine. I mean, he is probably also somebody who fits in the prior category, which is high upside and like kind of a low floor because this guy just hasn't played a ton of football. And so, dude, he's played very little football, but he's extremely like physically gifted. So we sell the time like not a lot of football. He didn't, his high school didn't even have football. He didn't play high school football. He went to Juco to play football. And then he started out, he thought he was going to be a tight end. We're talking about Max Hennichore. Ionichore. Ionichore. Yes. Anyway. Yeah. I thought that was a good pick. And then they're going to move Troy Faltano to the left side, I think. Probably because this guy's only played right tackle. Right tackle. And Faltano played left tackle in college. Yes. So I mean, it's good. You got to address that because there's a big need for the stealers. Probably the biggest need for the stealers. To protect our 42 year old quarterback who I, who definitely hopefully maybe not coming back. I still think Rogers just refusing to tell them is like the funniest thing we haven't talked about enough. I think Rogers just the consistency with which Aaron Rogers has decided to mirror the end of Brett Farr's career is unbelievable. Right down to playing for the Jets after 15 years at the Green Bay and then just holding the team fucking hostage every year. Just not telling them if you're gonna play it. I still also report that he's mad that they're talking about him. Oh yeah. He's like pissed. They said, why, what do people keep bringing my name out of my mouth out of your mouth? It's like, well, they don't have any fucking quarterbacks right now, buddy. We're fucking got to talk about you. Do you think that Tom when leaving and now that it's fucking McCarthy, his ex-wife, do you think he's just like, yeah, who cares? Like if it was Tom and he said, I respect Tom it's so much. I would have told him, but now that it's McCarthy, he's like, I'll let him sweat. A little. I felt the exact same way about what you described about the Steelers taking a tackle as the Giants taking Francis Marino attempt. I was standing in front of the TV. It's fine. It's good pick. All I wanted was Caleb Downs with every fiber of my being. I wanted the Giants, they Caleb Downs, and they took Francis Marino. I'm like, you know what? Eat your vegetables. I like that they took a tackle. When the Seahawks took Gray's Able last year, I had the exact same reaction. I was like, I got guard. I think he should have one offensive rookie of the year. And then he actually was very integral to like fixing the Seahawks offense. He should have one offensive rookie of the year. And honestly, Nick Gammowar should have one defensive rookie of the year for the Seahawks. He's the number one tackle in this high school class. He was a consensus first team All-American. He allowed two sacks the last two seasons. 99, again, Dane Bergler had this stat at the beast. 99.5% of Francis Marino's college snaps were at right tackle. And basically all of his snaps in high school at right tackle except the senior year. So he's basically only played right tackle really except the senior year in high school. And the Giants signed your main Eleanor at these 32 years old to another two year extension. But I liked that the Giants didn't be like, well, we have a 32 year old right tackle. So we can't take, I liked that whether Marino goes to guard or Eleanor's play guard goes to guard, whatever happens, like you're protecting a 42 year old quarterback, the Giants are protecting their 24 year old quarterback. Like, there you go. Good business. Both equally as likely to get injured. That's well, if Rogers doesn't play, he can't get hurt. It's true. Rogers didn't get hurt last year. People forget that. Yeah, those just go home to your wife. The other one I want to shout out for going home to your wife is the Buffalo Bills who traded back. Did they trade back three different times in this draft? Yeah. We're just not going to take anybody. Well, I have to say everyone hated this draft. Everyone's like, well, there's only the 11 good players or whatever, blah, blah, blah. And there's no difference between the 15th player and the 15th player in the draft. The only team that acted like it was Buffalo, who just traded back and completely recouped the not second round pick, but the 60th overall choice that they sent to Chicago for DG Amor. And then the Bills just basically picked it all up. And they basically ended up, I think more or less, if you boiled down all the trades, they basically turned the 26th pick to like, they moved back 10 spots and they ended up getting another third rounder basically. And I forget the exact net of the trade, but they did great. Very responsible. When do we mention Fernando Mendoza? Is it even worth it? Oh, right. The first overall pick. Yeah. Good value. I don't know. I feel like everyone knows. I know. It's like, I just wanted to say it. We know that he went one. We're aware he went first. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, the most entertaining moment I have with Mendoza all night was just realizing his ringtone. Oh God. So great. It's what you expect it would be. Ringtone. You're going to play it. Wait, let me see if I can find it. Craig, can you reenact it? No, I'm trying to remember it specifically. It's like a cartoonish horn. Yeah. He's like, he's getting the call from the raiders that he's the pick. That's like a Tom and Jerry cartoon sound effect. Yeah. It's like somebody tiptoeing across like, you know. How is that Mendoza's ringtone? I just can't believe it. It's just insanely on brand. We believe that. Is that real? I don't know. Oh, I should have checked. Probably fucking not. I think so. Whatever. No, yes, because the video's from Indiana Football. This is the official Indiana Football account posting this way. One more time. It does sound like Tom and Jerry. Oh my God. But yes, the raiders took him. Oh yeah, he went first. He's the first pick. Yeah. He's good. That was the pick I got in my mock draft right, you know. So that was cool. Should we talk about that? Talk about what? Our mock drafts. Sure. How'd you do? Not very well. Was it mock 1.0 or mock 2.0? On the way over here, we're talking about how it's 1.0 is the funniest thing. It's not a mock draft, 1.0. Can we do like a 1.1? No, my real final mock draft, which I published on an actual website. Okay. I didn't do as bad as the one that Austin made me do right before the show or right before the draft started, where he was like, look, let's just put together a top 10. Yeah. And I got Fern d'Ando Mendoza right. Yeah. That's all. I guess wrong on R. Velry. I guess wrong on R. Velry and the rest was history. It was a bad, a gap, which you would be cut from single A baseball. Okay. Logs, log, which again, D.K., maybe, who does, always forget. Is it Brian Regan? Brian Regan. I saw two log trucks going by each other in opposite directions on the road the other day and I was like, well, if they need logs and they need logs, why don't we keep going? Phone call could have saved a lot of trouble. So, offensive linemen log, log. The Dolphins took Kaden Proctor, left tackle from Alabama with the 12th pick. They moved back with Dallas, ending up two fifth rounders and took Kaden Proctor. I thought it was good. I mean, Kaden Proctor, my question to Kaden Proctor has been, so let me get this straight. He's like the biggest guy in the draft. He's like six, seven, or six, eight, and then 350 pounds has had weight issues, but he's also crazy athlete. He has like three catches, like 20 rushing yards or whatever. He moves way better than you think a 350 pound man. So, why is he not the best tackle in the class if he's the best size and the best athlete? Some people might think he is. I don't personally. I thought he struggled. What? I haven't seen anyone say he's the best. Mike Renner had him as his number one. Okay. Yeah. So, how about that? One for three, two. So, go fuck yourself. All right. So, but yeah, I mean, the question is, I think Kenny handles speed on the outside. I thought that was like a huge issue. He was one of those where he would have really dominant reps and then wildly unsuccessful reps against guys and you're like, Jesus Christ, this guy needs to play guard. Kaden Proctor had one of those things that was just like a little too honest where he was like Tyler Booker, who's a guarded Bama who got drafted by the Cowboys. He was like, Tyler Booker called me and told me that all the NFL teams love my tape, but they're really concerned about my weight and they're like, I really have to. So, he went on a weight plan and that, you know what they call him? Kaden Proctor. This was things like you can't get these things. They called him. Oh, no, fuck. I lost. Oh, I can't remember. No, it's called Krispy, I think. Because he loved Krispy Kreme. Oh, that's tough. And he had to cut Krispy Kreme out. Well, Sabin says something like that. Sabin, I saw this on Twitter, someone quoting it. Sabin had said something on the broadcast over four that was not the best thing. Basically, like you got to keep him in the building and keep him focused and not, like if he gets outside the building or whatever, he's going to like gain weight. Like basically he was saying this is, this was a problem. Dude, all the packages when Bama would throw him the ball was called Krispy because he ate so many fucking donuts. But then Tyler Booker called him and was like, you actually have to stop any donuts. They've only designed those plays for him because they burned more calories. Got to get his cardio. Oh my God. But yeah, so the dolphins took him. They also took Chris Johnson quarterback from, I'm forgetting. San Diego State. Goddamn right. Go State. First round corner. No big deal. He's West Texas. Dolphins traded up for him. I really wanted the Seahawks to take him. Yeah. Best of luck. Best of luck. I think he's really... Miami, Chris. Going from San Diego to Miami, living the fucking dream. I also... Dude, that... Man, this guy... Yeah. Do you think... Do you think... He's never seen a cloudy day. No adversity. I got to skin proctor group in Iowa. Iowa to Miami, that's pretty sweet. I know he went to Alabama, but Iowa to Miami Pipeline, that's pretty sweet. I was going to give it to Chris Johnson. Stay to SDSU for all four years. Went in first round. Fuck the portal. He didn't want to leave San Diego. To develop. I was going to say, who goes to San Diego? That's like a big goal. The greatest city in the world, according to Craig. Oh, dude. And to Ron Burgundy. Logs. I mean... Um, scholars maintain that the translation was lost years ago. We were quoted. I think it means, Saint Diego. No, it was like... Can't possibly be right. A whales vagina, and then she's like, there's no way that's correct. I wonder how many different phrases that Will fell in that scene, and they went away with the whales. Craig pulled out, and there's no way that's correct to us last night. Because when I was... What were we talking about? Hyphids had the hiccups. And by the way, sounded like a drunken sailor. We're driving home from dinner in the car. Hyphids is in the backseat, fucking burping left and right with his hiccups. And then... We're trying to ask him questions, he was like... You have like one beer. What's the problem here? It's like, freaking dude, you sound like you're about to die back there. So explain the video that you... Can you actually just play the video that you... Basically it was like... I saw something on Instagram that was basically... To remedy for him. Like, you're hyphed to do this. A host of a podcast had the hiccups, and she was like... Oh fuck, I have the hiccups. Do you have any good remedies for that? And he was like, say, t-t-d-d-ca-ca. And she did it, and it fucking worked. You told me to do this. K-k-k-ca-ca-ca. And I'm like, there's just no way this is true. Correct. Craig's like, there's no way that's correct. There's simply no way this is true. You said there is simply no way that it worked. That's a prank. I was like, I really wanted it to work. Yeah, that's just old school. I've been waiting to test it out on somebody. Yeah. Got me. There's absolutely... There's simply no way that worked. Like, what are we talking about? Just going k-k-k-k-k-i-d-d-d-d-d. You're like, what? I hated the way I was doing it. You hated the way I was saying it. You're a sentiment. I said, say t-t-ca-ca, whatever the fuck the words were. And he was like, t-t-k-k-k-i-d-d. Like, freaking psycho. I'm like the fucking guy in Dumb and Dumb. I'm like, guys! Guys! Yeah. This is the back. Hey, you want to hear the most annoying part? Can we maybe play the radio? You should have called an Uber. Why did I drive you home? Mock. Draft. You want to hear the most annoying sound of the world? D-D-ca-ca, CC. Mock. Draft. I caught that. Christ. Okay, anyway, the logs log. But the offensive line had been taken. Back to, you know, Lions took Blake Miller. Offensive tackle. People were surprised they didn't take Monroe Feeley. So the Lions took Blake Miller, who is like the all first team, just we just listed the number of starts he played. And it was like durable. But Blake, so he did just 96.5% of his college snaps. Is that a Clemson? Yes, Clemson, right tackle. And then so I think the Lions are going to move Pinesuil to left tackle because Taylor Decker retired. And Blake Miller, I just have believed to have missed one practice in four years. And it's because he like broke his fucking leg. Mm-hmm. Which is kind of- So he missed one practice. What a legend. That's, that's a, we should have known when we saw that. He's so, so Lion's E. Do you think if you broke your leg, you'd be here tomorrow at work? No. To record a podcast? No. No. Absolutely not. Also, wait, I want to tell you something about Blake Miller. I also cannot shout out again enough Dane Bruegler's beast. I had such a great time just diving in all these players on the plane right over. I did it. I did a draft guide. You know, Taylor Decker didn't retire. It just hurt. You know, Hyphens admitted to me that on his flight here, he did have Wi-Fi, but he chose not to enable it to kind of just live up and, you know. Just raw dog it. An isolation up there. I like that. Yeah. I respect that. That's the only time in your life where you can truly disconnect. Is that 30,000? Oh, yeah. Sorry, Taylor Decker's released in retire. But yeah, no, I did just decide to just read the beast and not be on the internet on the plane. I just, I just wanted to. I love that. So I wanted to read you this thing from Dane Bruegler, which stopped me in my tracks. So one, Blake Miller's father got Blake Miller weightlifting at age eight. Which is what the Gronkowskis did. That's what Rob Gronkowsky's father did. That's why they all made the NFL. Rob Gronkowsky was, they would go through, I think, three gallons of milk at breakfast every morning. Good board. The Gronkowsky family. Three gallons of milk every morning. Not each, the collective family. No, I know. That's how many people are in the family. Five brothers, the five Gronkowsky brothers. And I think they have one sister. So they're almost drinking a gallon each? A half gallon each every morning? The mom said they go through three gallons of milk each morning. That's fucking insane. Well, they're all weightlifting. I tell you something, we got to get back in on milk. Yeah, milk is. I never left. Well, me neither. So, but here's the other one. So this kid. In the public consciousness, we need to accept milk again. So. Unless you're lactose intolerant. But then there's other things you can do. Blake, oat milk. So not only the. There's like the A2 milk. You ever had that? You ever tried that? A2? What's A2? There's like a Wagyu? There's A1 proteins and there's A2 proteins in cow's milk. And A2 milk, I believe, only has the A2 protein and not the A1 protein. And apparently it's much easier on the gut. You can use that as a possibility. Is it pasteurized or not? Yeah. It is pasteurized. Is it raw? If it's good enough, I'm going with paltrow. You know what I mean? No, it is pasteurized. Oh, okay. Give it a try. All right, maybe I will. Just not near me. All right. Guess where the eight. Guess where Blake Miller went to high school? This kind of started weightlifting at eight. Like the name of his high school? Axl. Weightlifters high. Strongsville. Pretty close. It's like mechanics. Is that the Strongsville High School? Strongsville High School. Strong. Yeah, Tyler Ward from Mechanicsville. No, he went to Strongsville High School, which I thought was the funniest thing. Strongsville. Strongsville. Imagine being Clemson. You're like, yeah, I'll take that guy. Yeah. Dan Campbell's like, I've seen enough. Say less. The Texans traded up to the. I would say to lead. The Texans traded up to the 26th pick and took Keelan Rutledge, the guard from, oh, I don't remember, Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech. And I thought this was funny. Just I don't think anyone cares about this as much as me. I thought it was funny that the Texans jumped ahead of the Niners and D.Maco Ryan's head coach came from San Francisco. And the Texans just run the same offense more or less as the Niners do. And I thought it was funny that they just both kind of needed the same guard and they just separately evaluated and were like, where are you going to want the same guys? And the Texans went up and were like, hey, fuck you, San Francisco, we're taking this guy. And then I was immediately traded out of the pick. Because they probably had the same player. Yeah. The Niners traded all the way out of the first round and now have the first pick of the second round. Interesting. Oh, right. That's, oh, that's actually sweet. They'll probably trade that too. But so the Texan, the Keelan Rutledge, and the Patriots traded up for Caleb Loma, the left tackle of Utah. So Elliot Wolfe, the GM, fake GM who doesn't have the GM title is the GM, said that Caleb Loma could compete for all the positions on the line, which is a very diplomatic way of saying later Will Campbell will be moved from left tackle to the guard. And then Caleb Loma could be left tackle. And then when two years when Caleb Loma is not a good left tackle, they can find a new left tackle. And just keep moving in. Yeah. Everyone just keeps me at. And then Will Campbell could be center. And then he'll go to right guard. Exactly. And then he'll keep moving. Yeah. Just keep it down. And his career, I tackle. Exactly. That's the only pages news. Yeah. That's not how I'm going to be able to say it. I think so. Yeah. You can't think of anything. No. Dude, the funniest text I got all weekend was the news article that Mike Vrabel's going to miss day three of the draft to go to counseling. And Austin just texted back. He's like, a lot of men would probably be better off going to counseling than being there for day three of the draft. I like the tweets that are like the order of things that Mike Vrabel cares about. Day one of the draft, day two of the draft, his family, day three of the draft. Specifically this one. He's like, I'm not missing day one or two. Those are important. Crazy. I'll nail on rounds fucking five, six, and seven. Yeah. That could be an email. Yeah. Boring picks that I didn't have much to say, but the Chargers took a key message door with the 22nd pick. I just want to point out that Keldrick Falk, who was the Titans pick at 31, is a key message door is three and a half years older than the Titans pick. A key message door, on the same college football team, the University of Miami, which almost won the title, you had Malachi Tony, who's this freshman, who was born in 2007. And on the same team is a key message door who was born before 9-11. And they're on the same college football team. DK, if a key message door was 21 or 22, would he be a top 10 pick? I think so, yeah. Based on what he did last year. So maybe it's like, yeah. Maybe it doesn't matter. Wasn't he incredible last year? Yeah. It's like, maybe the Chargers are like, yeah, we don't win this. The whole point is like, we think we're good enough to win now and he's great, whatever we have him for four or five years. Yeah, sure. He's 30 when his contract will be up. But it's like. Well, all the extra years, it's not just COVID. It's, did he miss two seasons with foot injuries? He had multiple foot injuries in college, which is as a past rusher. It's one of those where he's, I don't usually give a shit about the, how old is he? Like, oh, with the second con, but I'm like 30 years old in your second contract when you had multiple foot injuries at colleges. It's not nothing. Now maybe in this kind of draft, you're right. It's like the Chargers, they really do need more beef up front. I still think the Chargers. We'll get a guy who's really good now. I want to have that player. Yeah. I just still think the Chargers under Jim Harba, they just don't have the heft, the beef and the front seven that you would think. But yeah, we'll see. Also want to just know because Mr. is old, this one stopped me my tracks. Also, this was also in the, no, this was in an interview. He was talking about being coached by Jason Taylor, who's the defensive line coach at Miami. And he's like, oh, he's like a big brother to me. I'm like, bro, he's a son in the NFL. Jason Taylor's son is in the NFL. I'm up like a father to me. I was like, stop me my tracks. But Jason Taylor's son is fucking. That's good. Entering his second year of football. Anyway. Yeah, that's good. And then the Titans to Kell, while we're on logs, I just want to know Titans to Keldrick Faulk. And again, things that stopped me my tracks. Oh, this was the Freaks list by Bruce Feldman that Keldrick Faulk can reportedly squat 700 pounds. That blew me away. Is that the record? I didn't know. Is anyone else doing 700 plus? And then he's going to bench 400. Let me just go. Are we going to hit like a thousand? Is anyone else doing 700 plus? He can bench 415 and he can squat 700. That's a lot. And again, I don't know if that's true, but like, do you think we see 1000 in our lifetime? Well, they're going to do the enhanced games, and which I'm kind of into. What's that? What do you mean? They're going to do steroid Olympics. They're like hosting. They're basically going to. Who's we? Who? Somebody, some entrepreneur guy, some Savannah bananas ass guy is just basically like. He's like, fuck it. I'll just play. I'll you guys. Yeah, they're going to do the Olympics, but for like steroids. And they're like, Jesus. And the whole pitch is basically these are the real world records because it's basically like, what's the heaviest? And what's the fastest anyone's ever ran? It's going to be this. And two, you want to watch it. And you know it. That's basically the pitch is like, don't pretend like you don't want to see it. She's like, dingers. Are they going to start a baseball league with steroids? They should. You want to hear the heaviest squad ever? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yes. It was Ray Williams in 2019. In competition, it was 1,080 pounds. Wow. In non competition. Rodney Woodward, 1322 pounds. 13, including multi-ply equipped. The enhanced games are in Vegas, May 24th. And the enhanced games need to reach out to our name brand agency because we need to rename that. The enhanced games. That's terrible. It sounds like an ED pill. Yeah. We can always do something much better than that. Were they credentials? This is a week after my wedding. Should we go? Where is it? Vegas. Whoa. Reverse bachelor party. What are the events? Swimming track, weightlifting. Oh, that's it. Okay. I thought there was a longer list. I honestly, steroid Olympics is pretty sweet. I think that's pretty. Pretty sweet. They just called that. Yeah. Yeah. What they should just call them. Steroid Olympics. Steroid Olympics. Juiced games. Yeah. Juiced. Oh, yeah. Juiced. Juiced or something. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to think. Were there any other picks that we hit every pick? I'm sure someone's just screaming. We missed probably. Malachi Lawrence went to the Cowboys. We missed. Keldrick Falk went to Tennessee. They traded back in. He's the handscape. Send us your pass. Oh, sure. I did address that one. Also, he's, again, he's. I actually think we did hit every other. We didn't talk about the Seahawks. We didn't talk about Mansour delaying going to the Chiefs at six. Oh, yeah. That was a good pick. They traded up one or two. Three, nine to six. Okay. There we go. Wow. Look at us. Get to link a pick. Okay. Now we hit everything. There you go. I liked that he talked shit because he must have been on the phone with Adam Peters too. Or talking. Adam Peters, the GM of Washington, was picking seven. And during his press conference, Mansour delaying, who was again the LSU cornerback who went to the Chiefs, he just said, yeah, I think he said. When was he on the phone with him? I don't know. But during his press conference, Delaney said, Adam Peters, like you were too. Fuck, I should just look up what he said. Well, I wonder if that it's like the same with the McIlambic thing. I'm wondering the same thing. He was even though they were the next pick if they called him. I think you tip them off and say, hey, we're thinking about, or we're like planning on taking you. Yeah. A lot of times they try and just get a hold of you. And they're like, hey, we're thinking about picking you here. Be ready. Yeah. Because you're going to be on TV. You're going to be a big star. Also, did you mean to do the thing where you just skipped the Seahawks pick? Or was that a joke or were you serious? We talked about it. Do we? You said that we talked about the worst picks are the most baffling picks. We didn't really get to it. I guess we only did Jeremiah. Yeah, the Seahawks took Jared Price the 32nd. Oh, yeah, you're right. I guess I thought we hit both Notre Dame. We're bearing. This is, I'm sorry if we're starting the show at Tye Simpson. We should have started the show at this. We got an email from a guy last week who said, he had a bet with a friend that the Seahawks would not take a running back at any point in this draft. And if the Seahawks took a running back with their first pick, his friend not only does he have to pay his friend $200, but his friend gets to kick him in the nuts as hard as he can. And that guy's getting kicked in the nuts. I literally emphasis on as hard as he can. I emailed this guy back as soon as the Seahawks took Jared Price. I emailed this guy back from the ringer email. I CC'd my real email and I was like, get us the video ASAP. I'm going to see if he responded. This guy's getting kicked in the nuts. You have to stand with his legs. Surrender Cobra. Yeah, like spread open so this guy can get full foot. Action in the nuts. If I'm the person doing the kicking, I think I just say, hey, double the money I'm not kicking you in the nuts. There we go. Now we're talking. Oh, the top email right now is from Annie who's a ball doctor. Ball doctor. She's worried. That's the legal term. Ball doctor. Well, she's a urology resident, but she's like being honest. I'm a ball doctor. Okay. All right. And she's worried about this guy. Right. Basically sounds like that. As she should be. But Annie, people get hit. People get hit in the balls all the time. How are we all okay? We're not Craig. What do you mean? Some people don't have two balls. Some. Yes. But actually you want to know that every single day. So I've been meaning I haven't told you guys this yet, but I think the ball thing is the most one of the most emailed subjects we've ever had. Of course. The ball and getting kicked in the balls is maybe the top. There's nothing more. Email thing we've ever had. Can I read you one of them? The. Yes. Yes. Sure. Wait. I just think we we're getting hit in the balls all the time as a kid. You get punched in the nuts. So you can take a baseball or the nuts of ground or it hits you. You're on your bike, something. It's like things just happen. And it's most of the time it's just fine. Even though those those guys are just hanging out down there. Just vulnerable naked. I'm so sorry the guy you wrote me back. The guy I wrote back. The nuts guy? Damn. You had that email queued up. I got. He did. It was like 30 seconds after the pick and I was like. I might have beaten his own stream. He might have gotten the email instantaneously. He said, David, you're the cute up. I got a package in the mail today from my friend who I made the bet with. It said, don't open it till the pick is in. And then I opened it. It was a bucket and a bottle of champagne with a note that said, please add ice. Ice up your balls. Ice up, son. Ice up, son. Oh my God. That is so good. This guy's going to really. Did we get any good info about getting kicked in the nuts? And the damage? When is the nut kicking taking place? If you send him a package, are they not even in the same town? Dude, we. Does he have to take a flight to get his nuts kicked? Honestly, he actually. He's like a really good movie from like 2000. First you have to go through fucking TSA and then you have to get your nuts kicked. I got to fly. You have to like make a cross country trip to get your nuts kicked. That feels like something that should have been. It's like an Andy Sandberg movie. He's like a lost. It feels like a. I got a. Like a. A. It's like a coming of age story. Sorry. Oz. Coming of age. That's. Shit. See you. See you. Now we have the poster. The coming of age story. I'm sure that's happened before. You can't find it. Can you? Whatever you want to do. Dude, I won't talk to you for it now. So many people emailed us. He's just. I can't think of nuts. I am. I don't know if you guys are going to find this as funny as I did, but I was like reading this one. I was. This is from Bradley. Brad Beabone. Bradley. Well, firstly, protein chocolate milk for breakfast. Two parts. Wow. First of all, back in high school, maybe age 15 or so, my friends and I used to play a game called nutball. Sounds right. The premise was you sat on opposite sides of the living room in your boxes. I played that. Yeah. Rolling a softball across the floor aiming for the other person's crotch. Never mind. The game ends when someone quits. Yeah. And you would have forced yourself not to flinch because if they got hit while hanging, like a punching bag, it's way worse instead of the stationary. We used to play where like it'd be like five or six of us. We'd all sit in like a big circle just on your butts. And we'd have like a, I guess it was maybe just like a tennis ball or some time. And you just toss it up and try to land it right on us. Wait. So the next part of the email, the Bradley writes also related but different. Around the same age, I had a friend with an older cousin. The older cousin was a senior when we were freshmen. He heard a rumor that if you got hit in the taint hard enough, it would make you shit yourself. We're the best. It's just physics. Ain't nobody doing it like 15 year old boys. You know what I mean? He heard a rumor that if you got hit in the taint hard enough, he would shit yourself. So on a drunk, so he's a senior in high school, he says on a drunk at night, he asked his friend to punch him in the taint. Punch him in the taint? And see if he would shit. And what happened? Punching him in the taint? What are you bending over? I'll tell you what happened. The friend missed. Oh, fuck. Punched him directly in the balls. Fuck. And after a hospital trip. Punched him in the balls from behind. That's like not a common way to get hit in the balls from behind. Punched him in the balls from the back. In the balls from behind. Yeah. He might be the first one. I mean, it's certainly possible to happen, but that's not the one you hear about the most. No. After a hospital trip, he finds out that one of his balls can no longer make sperm. No way. Is he crazy? Now everyone else. Well, yeah, he got punched in the balls from behind. He said all of us call him dead ball to this day. Dead ball? Dead ball. Oh my god. Damn. Wait, so did he ever find out about shit in yourself? All because of that taint rumor. God. Who started this rumor? Dude, I was. What a specific rumor. Probably a girl. It looks like this would be funny. I love, he heard a rumor that if you got hit in the taint hard enough, it would make you shit yourself. Yeah, that's I'm trying to think about the the actual like how they decided this was going to work thing because he's like, did he take down his pants? Is there an official medical term for the taint? Uh, for any of us? That's a great question. What is it called? I don't. Is that right? It's a great question. Well, now I got it. Do I have to fucking Google this? People call it the gooch, the taint. Is there is, or is it just like the space in between? Yeah, it's grundle. Yeah, you Google. What is this? Scientific term for taint. Yeah. Paraneum. Paraneum. Oh, I actually think I have heard that. That's what I was trying to say. Yeah, yeah. I'm just not going to speaking. Can we can I quickly give you some football thing? I saw that Austin sent us. Yeah. Ty Simpson said that he has, he's never met Sean McVeigh. What the fuck are you talking about? He said on serious XM that he's never met Sean McVeigh. He seems great. Never met him. He's never, they never met and they took him. This is a mess. I really, I, I. He never met him? Like, I, does that mean? That's crazy. Could he have spoken over the phone with him or does that mean no? I feel like you would have mentioned that. Yeah, right? Yeah, you'd say we talked on the phone, but I'm excited to get to it. I hope this isn't out of context and he was like, I've never met Sean McVeigh. Well, I mean, I've talked to him over the phone, but they only clip up. But here's the thing. I still, like the idea that you would have a quarterback succession plan is like unpopular among fans. But if everyone believes in it and they're like, look, you know, look staffer, we were, like maybe you'd be like, we're lucky stuff. You would trust McVeigh. Like if it was McVeigh being like, look, I believe in this, you'd be like, okay. The entire premise of the Rams taking Ty Simpson is like, well, McVeigh must know what he's doing. The idea that McVeigh is also like, no, this is fucked. This guy sucks is less. Honestly, less than putting his job on the line. We're really as small as on the line. It's just like, punch me as hard as you can in the team. And the Bay's going to miss. He's like, if Ty Simpson isn't a pro bowler by your three, you can kick me as hard as you want him in nuts. I feel like I know the answer to this because you said you won't kick hyphids in the nuts if you asked, but would for your best friend, would you kick, would you punch him in the taint if you asked me to? Yeah. Because I'm a good friend. Yeah. If he wants me to, of course. Yeah. You, you were like, yeah. Yeah. You might throw up. That'd be funny. Or you might shit himself. Shit himself. You don't have to get out of the way. Yeah, the problem with doing it from the back. No wonder he missed. It's like, you're kind of thinking, what if this works? What do you, you're doing an uppercut. I'm like picturing like a, like a, like a, he's bending over. Like you got it. Yeah. He'd have to really have that thing up. He'd have to really be ass up. That's what I'm saying. I was like, how did the fuck. Arch that back, buddy. Dang. Just say it like, Jesus. He did an uppercut. No wonder he fucking hit him in the nuts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Literally hit it from the back. Oh, right. Well, on that note, we should say, I do want to shout out. Yesterday we had a dinner at a great restaurant called Budonoki. And it's fantastic. Delicious. It's in Virgil Village. It's like an Isekaya, Japanese spot. Shouts out Eric, the owner. Ebone. Ebone. If you're in Los Angeles, you should go to Budonoki. Fantastic. Great. Great vibes too in the restaurant. It's like, yeah. It's like Japanese bites, beer, great vibe. Wait a wonderful time. Shout out Budonoki. That's where I have a drink to one beer and then got the hiccups. E-E-D-D. He sounded like just the classic drum. Thank God it didn't happen at dinners. Like there's like bubbles coming out of his mouth. Yeah. It's like, Jesus. What's happening? What's going on back there? He's like, kakakakakak. Like fucking. There's just saying normal. Does anyone even see the chicken? Yeah. All right. We have a round two, round three recap. We're going to record tomorrow night. Hopefully it's as ridiculous as this one. We're going to have another episode going up Sunday night or Monday morning. And then we have more episodes coming next week. And again, we're going to have episodes every week. We're going to have fantasy landing spots next week. We're going to have recaps of the draft. And we're going to have episodes every week all summer. So if you've made it this far with the Tanks and all this stuff, then you'll probably enjoy the episodes. We do over the summer too. And yeah, thank you to Ebon at Budunoki and thank you to everyone who helped us there. You guys were great. Sorry, I broke a glass. I haven't said break a glass. Yeah. But with the chopsticks. It happens. They were very nice about it. Yeah, they were. Yeah. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you to... I'll shout out, man. Shout out to Good Kid. I saw them. Oh, yeah. That's awesome. Oh, yeah. That's cool. Thank you to Cam. Thank you to Carlos. Thank you to Austin. Thank you to everyone for listening. And thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Sticks. Oh, nice. Okay, they were playing Renegade before the Steelers picked. The 21st pick, they played the entire song. And they're like doing this cool video montage, like showing the whole space in Pittsburgh. And DK's like fucking doing his drop grades. And he looks up. He's like, how long is this? They're gonna play the whole damn song. I'm like, they're in fucking Pittsburgh, DK. I know. I kind of forgot it was in Pittsburgh, but I was just like, God, are they gonna play this whole fucking song? We're wrapping up already. We get it. It's like a fucking three-minute song. Dude. Also, those people were standing there for like 14 hours and all they wanted to hear was that song. And DK's like, come on. No, I just kind of just forgot that it was Pittsburgh thing. Do they normally, so when Gadel walks out to begin the drops and everybody boos him, this year he came out with Cam Hayward and TJ Watt to try to like prevent the crowd from booing. He's like, yeah, it was like, yeah. He's like a blockade of goodwill. Who's that 14-year-old streamer walks around with the big body guards? Jack, what's his face? Oh, yeah. That look was Gadel walking out with Cam Hayward. Yeah. And of course, he still got booed and he was like, come on. Look at these guys. The way they're- He does that is so- He's been trying for your back. Does he always do that where he comes out with beloved players? He's been trying. He came out with Detroit. I think he came out with Eminem. With Eminem. Doesn't matter. I think one year he tried with like, one year he tried with like, he was like, make a wish kids or like, he came out with like literal children and the kids got booed. Like, he's tried everything. It's a crash. He's tried everything to not get booed. And now he pretends to be okay. He's like, come on louder, but he dies a little inside every time. He doesn't do a fuck. He hates it. No, he hates it. No, there was internal memos. There were like- Nobody likes being booed by 300,000 people. Yeah, nobody's like, fun. I don't care who you are. No, there is- That's fair. A while ago, it was universally reviled. I'm sorry. I changed my mind. That's fair. That does sound bad. There were 320- He does get one fuck. This draft set the record by a mile apparently. 320,000 people in attendance. They're either the previous record was like 275. 320,000 people were in attendance to watch the NFL draft. There are 120,000 people at Coachella to see like Justin Bieber and Sabrina Carpenter and 50 other acts. So I'm like, turn this fucking song off. There are a triple that amount of people who watch a guy stand on the fucking stage and go, oh, with the 26 pick, the Panthers select Monroe Freeling. You can't even see what you're watching on a screen. The Bill Burr video. Meanwhile, imagine being a Bill's fan and drill like all the way from Buffalo to Pittsburgh. They just trade it out back. You trade out three times. Yeah, it's crazy. Also, a friend of mine- Truly built different than people who do that. Someone put that fact or that stat or whatever in the group chat, group chat I've been for one of my leagues. So if they have 350,000, one of my friends is like, yeah, there's no way that's right. How do they count that? That's what I was like. Ah, I'm like, how do they count the 300,000 people? This is like a fucking wild guess. What do you mean? They probably have to walk through security and they're like- What, you think you're security guards? You're just clicking for 350,000 people? Well, they have to go through like a turnstile type thing. Sometimes they do. It's like registered. I think to some degree that number is fake. It's very oddly precise. 315,000 people, what? Showed up to the city, went to the river. Well, that's how I feel about when they do that. One million people came to this Super Bowl parade thing. Yes, it's a highly educated guess. Sure. And you know, I don't want to yuck anybody's yum. If you're a listener of this show. I feel like we do that a lot. You're right. If you're a listener of this show. I love yuck yums. And you went to the draft or you've been to drafts in the past and you had a great time, email us and sell us on why it's worth it. Yeah, there's an idea. I want to know. Pitchers also tell us how you went to the bath. Do they serve alcohol? If you went and regretted it, I want to know that as well. But if you're like actually the best you guys don't know what you're talking about, let us know why. Yeah, that sounds good. I would love to be pitched on this. Yeah, how do you pee? I want to know that. It's like New Year's like Times Square or New Year's Eve. Probably like any other concert. What was the weather today in Pittsburgh? That was a nice day. What was it? The scenery is pretty great. That's a great spot for me. Oh, yeah, great. Look, beautiful. Man, the high was 60. Yeah, it's not bad. Sticks. Renegade, baby. The jake is up. When's this over? So I literally was just like, are they going to play this whole fucking song? And Craig's like, shut. Dude, this is all I have. All right, we're going to go nine and eight again. Let me live in. It was like I truly, truly in the moment, forgot you were a Stewards fan and forgot it was in Pittsburgh. And I was like, what? I'm going to play this goddamn song. Yeah, we should say the draft was way quicker this year. Oh, yeah. It was like an hour quicker. It used to be 10 minutes between picks now it's eight. And you felt it. It was like fucking pitch clock and baseball, man. This shit is tight now. I had a great time. Yeah, I did too. Yeah. Yeah, it was fun. Good draft. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Dude, get it tomorrow. Let's go to bed. Goodbye, everyone. Oh, I can't go to bed. I'm wired. Must be 21 plus and present in select states for Kansas and affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 plus and present in D.C. Kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or 1-800-MY-RESET. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org slash chat in Connecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-327-5050 for 247 support in Massachusetts. Or call 1-877-8HOPENY or text HOPENY in New York. For Louisiana, call 1-877-770-7867.