Episode 487 w/ Maino

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed human. And it's Dream Chess World Booking Podcast. Make some noise! He's a legendary Queens rapper. Hey, hey, second, we're the Shaboy and Noaie. He's a Miami hip hop pioneer. One of his DJEFs. Together, they drink it up with some of the biggest players in the most professional, unprofessional podcast. And your number one source for drunk fat. This is Dream Chess World Booking Podcast. Where every day is New Year's Eve. It's time for Drink Chess. Drink up, motherfucker. What it good be? Hope you're doing well. This is your boy, N-A-O-N-A-A. What up, it's DJEFN. And this is gonna take me crazy wall. Yappy hour. Make some noise! Now, now I can't wait to get this brother his flowers. Not only is he a rapper, not only is he an archipelagor, not only even a reality star, new podcaster, father, as soon to be husband, we heard. You know what I mean? This man, this man is got hits after hits. I'm looking at him, I'm like, wow, I want to see him on verses. This, we gonna give him his flowers today in case you don't know who the fuck we talking about. One, only. Motherfucking me, I know where to do this! Hey! Yo. What's happening? You got a lot of hit records, bro. Underrated, though. Yo, yo. Underrated. Yo, so did you, who would you want to battle in verses? I kept saying I wanted to battle Joe Button. Oh, sure. Now, that's uneven. That's uneven? Yeah. You know what it was? We had an issue on Clubhouse. You had an issue with a lot of people. No, it was on Clubhouse. Okay. It was a play issue, like, we was battling songs on Clubhouse. Remember, we was on quarantine. We had nothing to do with it. Nobody was on the record. That, yeah, it was back then. We was just having fun. You know what I mean? And I was playing my songs. And then he kind of snuck up up on me because I wasn't counting my songs. So I saved my best for last, but I went over. We was doing 10 in 10. So I had a thing for like, yo, listen, we gonna do the real one. Right. A real verse. You and Joe Button. I don't think Joe Button's gonna come out. I don't think he's gonna come out for that. That's my God too. That's my God too. So listen, let's get into the beginning, right? Because going through your records, it said on, I believe, remember me, that you wasn't rapping until you went to jail. So how does that happen? I never rap, bro. OK. I never rap. I never had no aspirations, no dreams about being a rapper. I mean, as a kid, you know, we grew up in a time. We fans of Big Daddy Kane, Rock Kerman, all that. We from that era. But I wasn't sitting around like, yo, I want to be a rapper. So when I went to prison, I was, it didn't dawn on me, right? To ever start rapping. And, you know, I was getting a lot of trouble all the time, right? Always in the box, always having issues and stuff like that. And I'm always having conflict with other young black men. So in the box. That's when you started writing. 23 hours a day. Right. At that time, I think I was doing a year. A year straight in the box? A year straight, yeah, yeah, year straight in the box, right? And it was a Friday night. I heard niggas on the gate, you know, rapping. You know, niggas being on the gate, they was getting it in. Right? One nigga is pegging on the bars, another nigga is rapping. And I was like laying on my bed like, damn, this shit sound crazy. Right. And I said to myself, when I get up in the morning, I'm going to write me a rhyme. And I wrote my first rhyme that Saturday morning. You remember your first rhyme? It was some stressed out, like, I'm sitting in the cell, living in hell. Something to that. Too much. Yeah, it was definitely some heavy. It was heavily influenced by Poc, definitely. Because he was, to me, at that time, he was speaking in blackmail experience like no other. You know what's funny? My first, I was rapping before, right? But when I bit the Malcolm X shit, but Malcolm X said that he used to read with the light through the cell. Like at night time, I used to write rhymes, but I used to never want people to know that, right? So, you know, people used to come by myself and be like, what are you doing on the floor? You know what I'm saying? I was like, and my first battle was against, I don't just do hasty story every time I bring it up. We were in the yard, and this guy named B-wise. He was named wise. And all of the Bronx dudes was with him, and all of the Brooklyn dudes were with me. And it was called B-house. So it was only Brooklyn and Bronx dudes. I don't know how a Queens nigga was in there. I don't know why, right? But my first rhyme, I remember it. I was like, I said, I don't give a fuck. When I was six, I did a stick up in a Tonka truck, and the whole yard went to crazy. And from that moment, I was like, I'm gonna be a rapper. You know what I'm saying? So you knew at that point? Yeah, I knew I was addicted to the crowd, like getting that attention. So when was the rap? You gotta remind us what your rap name was. Oh, yeah, no, no, no, no. That wasn't my rap name then. That was my very first rap name. He ain't always laugh at my very... MC Yahoo with the Balder Bean. MC Yahoo with the Balder Bean? MC Yahoo with the Balder Bean? That's the other name I remember. So when was it? Because everybody who write a rhyme ain't gonna become a rapper. When was it? Like, yo, I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna take this serious, wasn't in the cab, or was it when you got out? So when I was in the cab, when I first started doing it, you gotta understand, I'm still in the box. Right? And at that point, it was just like something to pass the time. You know? Because what you doing in the box? You work, you do push-ups, you sit-ups, you sleep, and you write in a letter. Like, you ain't doing much. You sleeping half your day. So I was like, if I get up and write a rhyme, by the end of the day, it's gonna take some of the day away. So I started thinking about it like, man, maybe I could go home and be a rapper. Right. And then at the same time I would say that, I was like, hell, no, I ain't no rapper. I was so insecure about that because nobody knew me for that. You understand? People had already had their perception of who I was. I was a little popular back then, right? And now that I'm saying that I'm a rapper, and this is the time when niggas like, you ain't no rapper nigga. Like, rappers wanna be like us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You understand? I didn't build up that confidence into some years later. Cause I was afraid to tell people that, so if I was five, six, seven years in at this point, if a nigga would've asked me what I was doing when I came home and I would've said, I'm gonna come home and be a rapper. And they would've said, nigga, what? I would've never done it. Y'all don't never met me. Because that's how insecure I was about it because I would've, anybody that respected me would've told me, man, you ain't no rapper. I would've said, you know what, you're right. I'm not, fuck am I doing? So I kept it to myself. I kept it to myself until I get there. How old were you around that time? So 1920. Wow. I'm young and I'm picking it up, you know? But I didn't think that this was a long shot. Niggas wasn't coming home and becoming rappers. That wasn't a thing yet, you know? Right. So we going through, so how did you get that? Was it Atlantic Records your first? Nah. My first major label deal was with Universal through Motown, Sylvia Rohn. Oh, wow. Tone from Trackmaster Sound. Yeah, so I had to song Rumors. I don't know if you remember. Of course, of course, Rumors. That was a song that put me in a game. Right. That was my hit in that era because when I came out, I jumped into the DVD era. That was the mixtape DVD time. And it was just like, the mixtape was the thing. Because I was up north and I was listening to everybody. That was on a clue. I was hearing all y'all, right? And I'm like, damn, if I could just make it to the clues, I'm lit. I made it. Because I felt like everybody that was on a clue tape made it. Yeah, me too. I didn't notice it was still. He thought, oh, he got it. It's got to be rich. So when I got out, I was just jumping right into that era right there. And that's kind of how I got it started right there. And then the Universal Sign me first though. The Universal Sign you first. So how did you get to Atlanta? Was that through TI? No, I got dropped. Get the hell out of here. I got dropped. OK. Yeah, you got to go through it. But you got a bag though, right? Yeah, they paid me out. They paid a play. OK. Right, the clues in the country. Yeah. That's a big thing. Yeah, it's a big thing. You know what I mean? It can hurt your confidence. So what happened was I was around Kim and him. OK. Kim was opening up her doors for me. I was coming around. And I was starting to get a real peak at what being a superstar artist is. And then I made the song Rumors. I got signed to the University. Now I'm thinking in that era, my understanding of what the game is is like, once you get signed, the label just going to make you this big star. Oh, yeah. Right, which is that. Oh, yeah. I didn't know that. Nobody came to me and said, listen, this is the time when you need to work even harder. Artist, right? Oh, yeah. So I'm just like waiting for it to kick in. I'm like, where's 106 and pop? Like, where's the MTV? Like, where's these big records? Like, and I'm sitting there waiting. I'm still doing me. But I don't think that I had the mind state to understand that I should have been working. Working harder. Even harder. And one day, my lawyer called me and was just like, hey, they said they good on you. Like that? He said like. Basically, he ain't saying like that, but they don't want to let you go. Right. And something in me was just like, where? All right, fucking cool. I was in Atlanta. I was like, I got that news. He said, listen, but I got a check for you. Right. So I went, you know, got my check. I told tone about it. I was like, no, I'm a serious going on. I was like, no, I'm good. Don't worry about it. I'm good because I at this at this point, I'm signed like two years, a year and a half. At least nothing really happened for me. You know, they dropped me. So now I'm back in the hood. I'm at Rio House on Monroe doing records again in the hood. No more budget, no more Sony, no more, no more, no more interns running it. Right. Yeah. Budget. Yeah. Yeah. So I had to I had to dig back in and work my, you know, working back. Oh, how do you dig it discouraged? That's a good question. I kind of felt like it did bother me though, bro. Okay. If I, if I said I've been to you that I wasn't bothered because it bothers your spirit because you, you feel like you made it. Right. And this is the time when we, when I was attributing, getting a record deal, like, like I just went to the NBA. Yeah, that's the end all beyond. You don't want to sign. Yeah. You just got a record deal. Yeah. Like I'm, I'm near. I made it only, only. The best niggas get a real record deal. I had been in, I had been in, I had been out for 18 months. Wow. After doing 10 years and got my first record. So it hurt me. It hurt me a little bit, but I knew that I had to figure it out. Wow. Um, you know, I want to, I'll show you a story. This is real funny because I had already kind of like had platinum records, but I'm moving out of the deaf jam. So we move in the deaf jam and Erv Gotti is downstairs in the lobby. Erv Gotti looks at me and goes, don't think you made it. And I look at him like, you a hater, right? But he was like, yo, he said he was giving me the game. I didn't know what the time he was like, yo, don't drop your guards because you got deaf jam. So is that what you saying? Like that's a hundred percent. Yeah. Because you listen, I'm sitting in the day room. Imagining what it felt like to be a nigga shooting these videos. You know, but it was, it was a 500,000. What is this? A prank for videos back then. Yeah, budgets were crazy. Mr. Lee, they gave me water. This is a prank joke. Why did they give me water? My bad. I have to stop. Wait a minute. What is going on here? They trying to tell me what the hell is going on. I want you to slow down. Yeah. But take your time. Yeah. My bad. But have we got that? So I'm looking at these videos. I'm looking at one on six and Paul. We're looking at rap city and I'm just like, mm hmm. That's the life I want. I want to get away from this shit. I want to get out these streets and get away from this jail. Shit. I want to be one of them niggas. So so you think that you associate success with the glitz of it, the love, the like, the books, the outfits, the jury. You know what I mean? So when I got out and I got my first record deal, I'm like, I made it. If somebody would have said to me what got to you, I would have snapped out of it. Even though I knew I was working, I still was working, but I would have had. I would have went at it. The mind state would have been a lot better. All right. Plus the label politics. So definitely. Yeah. Once you learn that once you learn that you got to really like there's camps in there. The hardest. It's all this camps. Then it's then you got to have like somebody really like a body guard. You got to have somebody really pushing for you in executive. In that is really going now. I need a guy and really every day because they got a roster of different artists. They don't always have the answers. They don't really know what to do. And the times was changing. So it was just like, did I make it? So when you dropped, you like, you start to doubt yourself. Am I really that good? All right. I'm back in the hood. All right. You know, real. Now I'm going to bounce around a little bit. Go ahead. Because you just recently went to St. Thomas and St. Thomas St. Croy St. Croy and you got family out there. Yeah. Now St. Croy got a little bit of poor Wiggins out there. They do. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You poor Wiggins too. No, my family is from St. Thomas St. But listen, listen, I spent the whole summer in St. Croy when I was a kid. OK. So my mother, my mother's mother and my father are both from the Virgin Islands. Now what's funny is that my grandmother had Puerto Rican relatives. Like I do have Puerto Rican relatives. Wow. Wow. Absolutely. You see it in your hair a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can see it. You can see the Puerto Rican. I do. I do. I never talk about it, but I absolutely do. We're going to start claiming you, man. Come on. Let's do it, man. You know, I got, I got, I got, I got cousins named Felix and she's like, oh yeah. Oh yeah. I know Felix. I know him. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. So, so how was that experience? Because that was your first time going back as main on that. Now you may know. Bro man. Yeah. The star. And then I found one of my uncles. OK. Thank you. I found one of my uncles. Like randomly or? So I knew my grandfather had like 20 kids. That's the noise of your grandfather. Yeah. That's right. That's right. My grandfather wasn't nothing to be played with. Yeah. Right. At least I think 20. They got, they got it around like 17, 18. But I'm like, he had to be 20. Right here. So, but I knew the name. My lab, my mother's maiden name was Ingraman. So that was my grandfather's name. So when I went out the same time as I was like asking around about Ingraman and everybody was telling me about this John Ingraman. And I was like, he got to be related to me. Yeah. So I got in contact with him. I was like, I think, I think I'm your relative. And he would ask me who my mother was. And I was like, my grandfather was, you know, was Joseph Ingraman. And he said, man, that was my father. I'm your uncle. Hmm. Shit. So I found my mother brother. One line? No, over text. Oh, OK, OK, OK, OK. When I got the same time as right earlier last year. OK. You know, so I actually found him and then we met up and everything. I met some of my relatives. This is my mother's brother. Wow. She never met. Wow. Wow. When it was that. Yeah. Yo, man. Yeah. And I'm about to buy a little bit. Go ahead. Would you ever do love and hip hop again? I mean, it's all business, though, bro. Right. So everything is about business. If the business was right, then I would consider any. I could I would consider it. You know, I would do it in the heart of the dime. The heart of the dime. I love it. You love it. You're like so executive producer. The way you keep it. I didn't have that same experience. I only did it one time. Right. And I felt like they felt like I stuck them up. I feel like they felt like they felt like they didn't. But I feel like they didn't. They was like, but we wasn't getting nothing from you. And I was kind of. Yeah, I was. I was like, you wasn't fighting. Yeah, I'm not with all that. They thought they were starting to main those smack DVD. Right. Yeah, I wasn't going on TV and act like a monkey like that. That wasn't going to be that. You know what I mean? So I was like trying to control everything. I was like, nah, she's not going to be in that scene. Who she who she filming with? No, I didn't go. I ain't going to. Will you let me film it? No, I don't be filmed with these niggas. So they was I was trying to Michael manage everything. So I ended up only maybe on like seven episodes out of that season. Yeah, that's kind of because it's pretty like 14. Yeah, 14. Yeah, seven is there. You know what you said you would never do. I'm not saying I wouldn't. I'm saying if the business was right, they got to at least start me higher than they started me before. Of course, every season, every season it goes up. But so now we got to be, you know, in another another space. Yeah, you know, because it was that I had them at a good place. The first time, right, you know, and he felt like I robbed them. I think I think I think I think they said the same thing to me. One time for a good robbery. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stick up. So how many people actually four million bucks after you dropped that Swiss Wrecking how many? What how many people actually four million bucks? All the time I'm I said, you know, we pull over that. Like this thing had to be. I was like, so many different today because it's got more money. I was there. I was there. Swiss. They got up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we printed up. We printed up like hundred dollar bills with my face on it. Yeah. And then we go to the shows and like throw it out. People thought it was real money. 100 percent. There was this point. It was taking the money and go up, taking the stuff out. I burst out for that many times. I was throwing money. Got your face on it. Like we thought it was real money. You know how people are. They people are they want real money. Yeah, of course. For real. But I was like, that was mad pressure. That must have been mad pressure. Yeah, especially your family members. You give it away and you go give it to your family. I always felt like, damn, maybe we should have changed it. I feel like a million million. That's probably what I think. I feel like a million bucks. Like maybe we should change that. I think I think that even if you would have changed it, it's still they still would have said the same thing. Like you giving out a million bucks, buddy. Yeah. For. Damn. So, um, do you still love do you love this game? The game I don't love. I don't absolutely love the business of the game. I love the art of it. I love to to create something, you know, to see something that you created. Then let it have a little impact and then perform it and just the love for the game. And that way the business of it is disheartening. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? It takes the. It takes the fun out of it. The fun. It takes the fight out you like, like, God damn, all this. Right. All this because we understand like the general public don't understand that. You know, when you put out a record that there's so much that has to go into it to make that record a hit. Mm hmm. Right. So they say that records are not made in manufactured. They, you know, it's like they they promote it. They market it. Right. It's a budget. It's people. It's a plan. So they think that you just thrown out does they don't understand that that 250,000 to go behind it is just not there. Yeah. You know, and you still got to recoup that 250. But nowadays, they don't even they not even if you not in that top algorithm, no, top 10% of artists like you like a Drake or Nikki like paper that 250 no more. They not even they not even doing that. Wow. They they not putting out they not getting behind the wrap record with that type of money no more. No, it's crazy that when they say that rap wasn't in the top billboard this year. I've been seeing that. Like how does that happen? I and when we are the most influential, but I feel like we influence the world. Right. And everybody took pieces of hip hop. Yep. And then certain genres might be even more bigger. Right. I think Afro beats is like world music, right? Then bowl. That's all the latency is is is huge. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But I feel like all those have ingredients and elements of hip hop. Right. But it's also what you're saying though. If the labels ain't pushing it, you're not going to see them in the billboard. It doesn't mean the music isn't out there because you know what it is. The artists aren't making it great music. What it is is to me, I think the labels has got lazy and they want the artists that's already lit 100 percent. Like they're looking for people that's like already got they not developing artists no more. They're not in our development development and all that is over. Yeah. Because you know what? All of the departments that they had to develop artists like let's just say like media training. Right. They don't they're not doing that. Yeah. Artists development. No more development. None of that. Right. So it's just like you got to come as is. Yeah. You and because it's about the algorithm. So if you don't have the numbers to match what you're doing, right, we ain't fucking with it and you might pass up on an artist that really got it. Because before it was about your talent. Yeah. It was like. Damn, this is the next such as such. This is the first such as such. This is this guy is it. Whether that was on B, whether that was rap, female rappers, young rapper, it didn't matter if you had it. They were they was willing to invest in it and kind of make you a star. They're not making out. They're not making new stars among. No, at all. Because they stupid. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Regularly. No, but it's sorry. Sorry, but they kind of they kind of don't you said they want turnkey artists. They already got to build the money. It's about the money though. Right. It's easier for them to get behind something than it is to spend, you know, a million and a half per artist just to build them up. And you know, it's crazy when Leo spoke to Leo the other day and Leo said, this is still this is still the easiest game to get in, right? Hip hop, because he said right now you used to have to pay for the album covers. Like right now we could just take a picture. Right. We don't even have to press up the album cover. You remember how much that used to cost to press a CD up a fucking like like your budget was done before you should even drop. You was already in the red. Right. So right now, right. That's what you signed. If you got a director to consume one, like if you got and you could just hit that button and it's direct. That's what Leo is saying. He's like, yo, you know, for a season artist, he's like, it's the best time for us. That's the best thing to do right now. And I was just having a conversation the other day, direct consumer, because if you built up a base, if you got if you got a hundred people that love you. Hundred times ten. Talk to them. Keep going. Yeah. Keep going. Speak to them. Give it to them. You understand? Because the days of them nurturing artists and making them, you know, marriage, a blodges and Alicia Keys. We own off. We're seeing that no more. No, no, no. It was the ill shit about doing this podcast is we can actually see the algorithms. Remember back in the days? Sorry to sound like the old guy. Remember the back in the day? Sorry to sound like that, dude. But hey, hey, lookie to be. Remember we used to go on a tour. And when we go on tour, they were sending you on like 32 states. 15 of them states didn't matter. What were you doing in Kentucky when you ain't selling not one unit in Kentucky and you can't win over the whole fucking state? They just not fucking with you. Just avoid Kentucky. It's not no disrespect or no beef to that. But it's like and nowadays you can actually see. You don't have to waste your time. You don't have to go to you can see if you're not in Milwaukee. You have you you can stick with your algorithm. Right. You stick with New York is my market. Philly is my market. Delaware is my market. Connecticut. And so on and so on and so forth. That's the good thing about I think that's the advantage. If you know how to do that. Right, right. The metrics, right? Because the metrics show us that exactly where. Right. You know, you may have some impact. Right. It also shows you your age, range, your, you know, what what what? You know, you know, gender, right? So it shows you a little bit everything. So now you're able to kind of like go right directly there. Yeah, I love that. Mm hmm. I love that. You still out partying? Yeah. You used to be out every night. I'm still I'm still. I'm still I haven't retired. Okay. I haven't retired. I'm still, you know, I still like a good time. OK. You know, we're not partying aimlessly, though. You know, we not. Oh man, last time when me and you was here in Miami, I think I told you the story. Me and you, we went to prom 112. OK, OK. We had dinner. OK. And I was I was here. Right. I think that was like a Friday night. Right. And and and I was doing shit and I had no business. OK, OK. I had to do it. You had nothing to do with this. Nothing to do with this. You know, but I was I was on one that night. I think I smoke weed with you. OK, OK. Yeah, I'm fine with my weed. Well, uh, uh, success. Yeah, exactly. And then I, you know, I was playing around with Molly. This is the Molly I were back then. I'm just playing around and love a good Molly story. Let's go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We love doing shit. I had no business doing. Ended up in Booby track. Oh, yeah. Oh, Molly. Oh, Molly. Oh, man, you were tough. Woke up the next morning. The rolly was gone. Oh, God. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Holy shit. Real talk. Mm hmm. Real talk. Mm hmm. Real talk. That was the Molly. That's great. So I always I always know the interview how it's going to go by what they order and if they come late. But as soon as I see you on the balcony, I said, this man is coming late. You you feel Miami, right? You feel the love Miami. OK. I was only 10 minutes. OK, yeah, yeah, yeah. We got to people by that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But people do not. I'm not an artist. Yeah. Like, oh, I judge artists. I'm like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh. You know, I'm I'm I'm real serious about time. So if I if I'm late, right, it's because something right, kind of got in my way a little bit. Because I measure time really good. And it's important for me. Like I tell my son all the time, like you have to be always on time. Don't let nobody use that as an excuse. Right. So let me like I said, I'm bouncing around a little bit. Um, like a year and a half ago, right, I had said that I wouldn't interview somebody, right? Right. Because of my relationship with a certain other artist. And I said, I said, I just couldn't do it. I had to look at this man and dinner at times. But it's why would I go interview his enemy, right? Jamel Hill. Tweeted me and said, I thought me and Jamel Hill was cool. But she treated me and she was like, this is why you're not really a journalist. Right. And at first I took it wrong. I wanted to hit back and play motherfucker, but then I thought about it. I was like, you're right. I do have a certain type of loyalty that prevents me from being a full flash journalist. Is that something you feel like? I ain't no journalist. Yeah. Yeah. At all. Journalism. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I am not, I am not a journalist. Right. I am not one. Right. Right. And I don't even want to confuse that with. I mean, just because somebody speaks on the mic and maybe, you know, do a podcast, you know, maybe even affiliated with himself with the radio. That doesn't mean or make you an absolute journalist. I think that's a, for the real journalists out there that really. That's a profession. That's a profession. They went to school and they, you know, and they really live in that life. Right. That's for them. I ain't that. Right. Like, like they always give me an example. They say, oh, well, like more repolition them. They interviewed the Ku Klux Klan. Yeah. And I was just like, you know, like, like, they'll give me examples like that. I'm like, I don't want to interview no rapists. Like, I don't want to. Like, I'm sorry. Like, I got this brought online. Like, if I know certain things that as. Mm-mm. So you say like a real true journalist, when it comes to journalism, they don't, they don't, they don't draw no line. Yeah. Like you interview, interview, interview, if you white, you interview Farrakhan. Right. If you, if you black, you interview David Dukes or the Ku Klux Klan. So you saying as a, as a, as Nori, you draw the line with certain things. I do. I have to, man, because I'm not mad at you. I have to like, like, like, like, I would be, I will feel bad that someone is sitting in front of me, knowing that me and you got a great relationship. And then they shitting on you. And then me even trying to stop them because at times like, and you're going to learn more, more, as you've been in the media for some time since kitchen talk, you've been doing this. So I know you've been learning more, but sometimes you are guilty by association. You know, there's nothing wrong with that. I feel like that because we, we pick our size, bro. It is what it is. Like, let me tell you something. If me and you getting money, our families know each other. Yeah. You have my, you put them in my crib on Thanksgiving. Yeah. You know, we busting bags together. We have been this relationship as well as a working one. Yeah. It's in me to, to honor that. Yeah. It ain't in me to with that type of relationship to, to, to congregate with anybody that, that you feel that you got a problem with. Right. That's just not in me. I'm not, that doesn't make me have a problem with the other person automatically. I understand. But I don't want to congregate with the people that, that you know, fuck with because I want to honor that relationship. Right. I think it should be more of that. Like, let's jump like these, like I don't pick size. Nigga, what are you talking about? Let me, when you don't pick size, the size can pick for you. Yeah. And if you, if you supposed to be my man, you under some dudes' comments, like it his shit. Yeah, I'm judging you, bro. Like, what the fuck? Why would you be liking? That's, listen, that's only really started really with some. Internet shit. And I don't like to always attributed, attribute things to the street because I didn't, I didn't been many places since then. But like, if you beefing with a nigga and you, and he's a serious guy, right? He's already saying to himself, yeah, no, we be with man on every day. So when I see man on what's up with him too, the side can pick for you. Yeah. Right. Nobody saying, maybe he don't got nothing to do with it. People already associate you, you guilty by the association. So, but you got to, if that's the person you fuck with, own it. Yeah. Own it. This is, I fuck with this person. Yeah. Good, bad, indifferent. It is what it is. Okay, switching up a little bit. Um, you know, you're, you're on a national radio station. Yeah. Um, uh, with Angela, right? And she lives by those rules. She's adjourn. Yeah. She's adjourn. She can be taken as a journalist. Yeah. Yeah. Would there ever be a time where she's interviewing somebody and you're there with, would you not show up or how would you handle it? If it was somebody I ain't fuck with. You ain't fuck with or somebody one of your people's ain't fuck with. Yeah, I just want to go. Yeah. I think that's the right choice. But she, me and her have had, have had conversations where she wouldn't do certain interviews with certain people if she really fucked with the person. Wow. Like she honors her friendships. Wow. You know what I mean? And it all depends on the people and it kind of depends on the problem too. Yeah. That's what I'm about to say. It depends on the problem. If you telling me, like, I'm saying, Nori, what's up bro? Like you, you want, you know, you want to do this? You like, nah, man, I'm not deadening it. Like it is what it is. I'm not, I'm not pursuing it neither. But I don't fuck with that person. Right. And me and you like that. Right. I'm gonna, I'm gonna let you have that. Like you can see when it's real and you can see when it's, when it's, when it's not real. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, let's give flowers. Yeah, let's give them flowers. I was about to give them people where they flowers. Really? I know that. We're gonna give you your flowers. Face to face. Man to man. Take a bow we ought to. Yes. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Man, this is nice. Right. I like this. Right. Wow. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. Absolutely. Absolutely. So what's your favorite? Performing or making the record? Making it. Making the record? Yeah. I would have thought you said performing. Performing it. You know what? Okay. I'm making it. It's fun because the coming up with it. Mm-hmm. Performing it is just like when seeing that have some impact and then people seeing your words, you know, I mean, it's no greater hot in that. It's no greater hot. It's no greater hot. You know what I mean? Holy above. Yeah. You know what I mean? You got huge records. It's no greater feeling than that, you know. But, but when I was making it, I always didn't like damn, I remember sitting back coming up with these words. You know what I mean? The feeling of doing that and those words becoming something is like, I mean. There was even a better feeling when you go out and perform that record, like your new record and it don't work for the first time, but you know you got to build it. Yeah. And six months later you go back to that same venue and you perform that. That's it. Yo, that's what happened to me. I feel it. Tell me what's that. Yeah. Yo, I did. So what's up? They just looked at me. Yeah. It was crickets. It was crickets. What they telling me? You, your record is number one. And I'm like, it's no way. It's no. You doubted it too? Yeah, of course. Don't wanna notice it. Six months later, I came back to that same stage. Boy, was I so happy. I thought it's a different feeling when everybody know your words. Yes. Yes. 100%. And you got, all right, all the above for lack of a better term. There's people who listen to that record who probably don't listen to hip hop. It's people that transcendent. Let me tell you, it's people that listen to that record that really don't even listen to me. Wow. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, yo, wait. Take a shot to that. Take a shot to that. I don't want. You ain't got to come. They ain't get me. They ain't get me again. I just got some water. Okay. They got me. They got me. They gave me your water. Please. Yeah, they did. Yeah, let's go. Are we going straight to the shots? Okay. Okay. Wow. All right. Oh, wow. So, let's go. So there's people that listen to that record that don't. All you know, I mean, listen to me. Right. Because it kind of crossed the street. Right. You know what I mean? So it was like, if all your songs don't cross the street, then are they really going for it? It's like, I got a couple of records that it's like, a lot of Asian, like, white people, they like, yeah, man, you know, that fucking all that above. And remember my name? Yeah. You know, when I was in high school, like that was our song right there. So it's just like, man, that feels good. I performed that at Bar Mitzvahs, Bot Mitzvahs. You said Bar Mitzvahs. What did you say? Bar Mitzvahs and Bot Mitzvahs. What's a Bot Mitzvah? It's one of them is for a female. Oh, shit. It's one of them is for the male. I think, I think, don't quote me if I'm wrong or not. I think the Bar Mitzvahs for the young boy. I think the Bot Mitzvah is for the young girl. Weddings. I'm talking about Islamic weddings. Wow. Wow. You know, Muslim weddings. Crazy because it was across the street over there. Yeah. Oh, Jesus. We got a quick time. Oh, yeah, I'm in. I'm in. Let's do this. OK, you ready, Lee? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm bad. So this is our drinking game, man. Drinking game. We'll give you two choices. Pick one we not drinking. If I don't pick it, then we don't pick it. We drink it. Or if you say both. OK. Like, you really don't want to answer. OK. I'm going to switch up the first one. Go ahead. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. I'm going to switch up the first one. Jay-Z or Nas? Jay-Z. Damn, I shouldn't have switched up. I'm trying to get you. Go back to the original one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go back. OK, Jay-Z or Kane? Damn, Kane kind of gave us Jay-Z. But I'm going to say from the legacy, Jay-Z. OK. Nas or LL? Because you didn't like that light skin category, too. I'm brown, no. I'm brown. It's your waves, your waves make you light skin. It's your hair. Um, um. Nas. OK. Let's go. Uncle Murda or yeah, yo? Uncle Murda. OK. Swizz or just Blaze? Yeah. Damn, those both of my guys gave me hits. Take a shot? I'm going to take a shot on that. Mm-hmm. Ooh, I like this one. MOP or Marv Deep? Hands down, Marv Deep. And I'm from Brooklyn. I love her. I didn't expect that. Yeah, I'm a huge Marv Deep player. Especially how you were like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, no. And none of my guys. Yeah, none of my guys. Those my guys. MOP is my guys. Like, but the Marv. Yeah. Come on, man. You know, it's crazy. And let me just say this real quick, because I know this is going to sound like a little curve ballish. And I know it's going to sound a little curve ballish, but I recently started to know how dope Marv Deep is. I was in the algorithm so long. Not, not, not. I didn't understand that. Yeah, I'm profiting. Like, you can understand. Like, yeah. You can't appreciate it the same way. Yeah. I'm a huge Marv Deep fan. I got it. And I'm grateful that I got a chance to tell Prodigy that I don't know if you really understood that, though. Like, I'm really a huge Marv Deep fan. Like, that infamous album. Man, that was a whole other level right there. I felt like they was really, they made me really take a peek inside of Queensbridge. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, like, that was a time. Yeah, rest in peace, Prodigy. Definitely. Podcast shit. Joe and Jada or Million Dollars with the Games? Joe and Jada. Okay. Joe and Jada definitely got last year's rookie year and I believe y'all got this year's coming up. I'm gonna give you, I'm gonna give you. Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm gonna go ahead and say that. Y'all mad, funny, fab. I knew how funny you are. I'm so glad that the world, you can just see how funny fab is. Like, fab isn't funny. Fab, yeah, fab is funny. You got a sense of humor. And at first, I'm gonna be honest with you. Because fab is like one of them JZ type of dudes that we don't know nothing about. Because he's like, he says he's mystique. Yeah. So I was scared at first. So I was like, cause you know, and then I was like, damn, he's doing it right. He's showing his personality. He's laughing. It wouldn't have worked with nobody else. It had to work with somebody that he was super comfortable. Comfortable. Like a real relationship with. Yes. We're gonna get into that. We're gonna finish quick time of the slide. Young dog or little baby? Oh, man. Dog. Dog. Okay. Vador or Dave East? Mr. David. Okay. Fab or Jada Kiss? So I'm a home team player, my boy. Straight up. So no shot? No, fab. Okay, fab. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Cam or Mace? I always, I always liked Cam. A little more was more gritty. It was more for me. Yeah, definitely. Um, locks or clips? Hmm, locks. Universal or Atlantic? Atlantic, baby. Hey, yes, Atlantic. Atlantic, yeah, I ain't getting that. I ain't getting nothing happening on Universal, man. Okay. Irv Goddier, Chris Lighty. Yeah, they both legends. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. I'm gonna drink the both of them. Okay, let's go. Let's go. We're gonna drink the both of them. That's why they both passed away. But absolutely, rest in peace, man. Biggie or Big Point? Big. You ever met Big? Years ago, like he wasn't big. He wasn't, yeah. Yeah. Um. Hmm. To Park or EZE? Park. Lemme just gonna say that. EZE, that was, yeah. This is one of my favorite questions. You have been always doused me on it. Boutang or NWA? Let's drink that up. All right, let's do it. Because they, you know what? Because I'm influenced by both. I'm influenced by both. Yeah, let's, yeah. And they influence two coasts separately. This is what I'm saying. Do we gotta do the whole shot? You don't have to. You can do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna sip it. You can do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna slow. Yeah, we're ready. I like how you kept it real. T.I. or Luda? Tip. You not gonna stop, are you? That's J.I. who's frightening right here. Like, that is wild. To Change or Gucci Man? I'm gonna get at the Gucci. Okay. Yeah, it's that influence. Okay. Nino Brown or Frank White? Nino was a rat. Yeah, he became a rat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all the people. He wasn't throughout the whole movie. He was not throughout the whole movie. He was not throughout the whole movie to the end. Yeah, he fucked up. He fucked the movie up. He fucked the movie up. Okay, I'm saying. Okay, I'm saying. I'm saying. I'm saying. I'm saying. I wasn't born with a spoon in my mouth. Miss Hawkins. Right, right, right. Okay. Premier Pete Rock? Premier. Sean Pete or ODB? ODB. ODB was the man. Your MTV raps or video music box? Video music box. Hands down. Yeah. This is our last question before you get back into the interview. I'm not going to lead the witness. I was about to. I'm not going to lead the witness. Loyalty or respect? You can't have loyalty if you don't have respect. I always say that. There's no like who you want to be loyal to if you don't respect it. Let's take a shot for that. Like it's impossible. You tell us respect is the foundation of everything. Mm hmm. I got a lot of inside questions. This is dangerous in the middle of the day. What is that? No, this is a zoom. Oh, yeah, you requested that. A little saucy over here. Real. And then you in Miami so you know you don't go home. You got a problem. Yeah, it's it. Yeah, it's it. Yeah, I did. 8.30 in the morning. Now you supposed to be making a soka album? Not an album, but you know what? I feel like Nori playing with a. Wagon. Wagon. I'm very proud. I heard that. I was like, OK, you know what? I went the same time as and I was riding on the float. You got turned out. Say Thomas the turn show. Yeah. So what happened was the guy on the mic was it was like it was like so many people are so excited. So I was like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, 1000 people outside, you know, been a kinder, is lit 1000s of people outside in in the guys, like, that Zambo, let's do backup, give it space, give it space. I was like, man, I sound like a whole, I want to go to the studio and I was like, give it space, I made a soil record, man, without the Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo Zambo they saved my life, they saved my mentality. I was used to the tunnel and tough speed and people were sad and all that. Yo, and there's no, everyone is partying. They dancing all night. Like recently I just went to Brett Christner's comedian party. I forgot how it feels to be in a party without ice grills. Like nobody was ice grills. And I was like, nobody's in here, man. Yeah, I don't like them parties. Like nobody's in here. I don't like them, but nobody's mad. I like the parties where everybody's happy. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I like those parties. Like there was nobody, man, I was like, yo. I'm not. I thought I was like, your hip hop has ruined me, bro. Like hip hop has ruined me. Like I'm used to walking in a club. If it's a club setting, I'm used to like someone like something happening, something happening. And I didn't experience that. So is that what you want to do with the Soka? I like, I like Soka's. It's vibes. I like, but you know what, though, as a hip hop artist, we tap into everything, you know, Spanish market. Like I made songs while I'm rapping in Spanish. Right, you know, like it's just culture, bro. Like, you know, I've worked with Diamond Platinum's, you know, from Tanzania, you know, he one of the biggest artists coming out of Africa. So it's just like, I just think that we could do whatever we want to do. Absolutely. Right. Did you ever think Afro beats would be here? Like, I never knew what it was. Until I heard it. Because you from Brooklyn. And Brooklyn is heavily reggae and heavily. East and Parkway, Dapurway. You guys, you guys are all, everybody's like automatically a Jamaican from Brooklyn. You was sitting there. Yeah, you were sitting there. You something, you, you trun it out of here. And you, you, you, you know, you from somewhere, you know, you Jamaican, you know, you Bayesian, you Haitian, you something, you know. But now I mean, I think we influenced by the hip hop was influenced. They say cool her was what Jamaican. Yeah. Yeah. That's his background. You say Jamaican. Yeah. Yeah. Cool her, man. Wherever you at, we want to get you. We need cool her. I want to, I want to, I want to, yeah, I want to apologize to cool her. Wow. What happened? Oh, I just, I just want to apologize to cool her, man. I want, I want to do this here because I talked about it on my podcast, but I didn't say the name of who I was talking about. OK. What was you saying the reference to? I didn't say anything to him. OK. I never disrespected this man, but I did disrespect him. OK. And I want to admit this right here on Drink Champs of how I knocked his scooter down. What? I knocked his scooter down. His scooter? That he was riding. I'm back into it. Oh, like by mistake. By mistake. Oh, OK. The scooter. It's not like you just ran up on cool her. I was like, nah, knock it down. But I was so fried that I couldn't pick it up. Oh. And I left it there. He don't know it's you two right now. No, he didn't know it was me. How did you know it was him? People told me it was him. Yeah. Yeah. So I apologize. By the way, I know. That way into the scooter is crazy, man. In the Bentley at that. He's crazy. I had no idea he was going to do that. I'm sorry, man. That's the water. That's the water. It's the water. We got to do it. Father hip hop, man. Yes. OK. I know we spoke about it briefly, but let's rap about it. Let's rap about it. Before we get there, I forgot you had a podcast with Kitchen Talk. And you was, no, also you got to remember, you was coaching me years ago on podcast. Yes. You know? So how was it? Because Kitchen Talk was really mainly you. Yeah. The main star. But you really would let's rap about it. Yeah. You guys are like really like the A team. Yeah. Avengers. Avengers. Yeah. Yeah. So one, how did you all put that together? And two, how do you avoid not clashing egos? That's the thing. OK. In order to have a team effort, you got to lead an ego at home. And as rappers and as black men, we all have that. Because when we have nothing else, all we have was our pride. All we had was our ego. You know what I mean? No one even know nothing in our pocket. I'm that nigga. Right. You know? You feel that, right? So I think when you mature enough, to say, look, I could still be me and still support you. Yeah. Still going to be able to support you. And it don't diminish me. But that come with maturity, though. That come with time. And I think that we got to a space where we built our relationship over years. You know, us working out together, hanging out together, like really trying to really kind of getting to know each other. Being comfortable with each other. Right. Outside of just music. It you develop a relationship, but also is respect. Remember, I told you respect is the foundation of everything. Yeah. So I don't want to disrespect you, my nigga. You know, you you my guys, I don't want to disrespect you. So so the thing is, that's the only way to to to to kind of diminish the ego. Is to is to have that that level of respect to understand that you by supporting you, your nigga, it doesn't diminish you. It might be a Jim Jones show. It ain't my show. I'm going to come and support. Everything ain't got to be about me. And then when I got something going on, then the guys will pull up. Right. And support it. Right. So it's a it's a give or take, though. And I think we're stronger together. Now, and for the first time, it felt like New York Unity, man. Yeah. Like the one thing that, you know, me as a, you know, I live in Miami, but I'm on my heart is in New York, because I'm always going to be in New York. And I love to see us work together. Like, sometimes I love to see us even beefing together as long as we as long as we do something together. Like, yeah, yeah. You too. Yeah. You know, because the one thing for sure, to do for certain is and, you know, I love Jim and I love Ken, right? Yeah. And I know this is going to sound crazy, too. But if they were to say to me or to anybody, yo, we set this up. Right. It feels like it. Because you like Wednesday beefing, you can't go on Instagram. They own Instagram, both of them. Right. They own. You don't ever see that. No. And I'm like, if they actually thought this out, even though I'm sure it's not, I know. But what is that as fans of them, fans of the music and fans of their movement, the legacy, yeah, the legacy of what they did. Yeah, I love we will want them to be like, damn, this is all I was just playing. I'm just playing, you know, but now it's real. Yeah, man. And I love both sides. I love both sides. Yeah, I get it. I get it. I got to I got to go on tour with them. Yeah, I got to I didn't realize that I knew Cam. Before him and Jim linked, he said that he had put it on his freestyle. Yeah. Well, freestyle were clue ironically, we just speaking about clue earlier. And then so, yeah, man, I hope I hope them I hope them. I wish them brothers the best. Yeah. Yeah. What are you doing something like that? Because do you get involved or do you just you let me take it? You can't you can't do nothing about that. You got to respect that, you know, relationships are redefined every day. Right. You see what I'm saying? You may start off as a potential opp with a nigga and end up as a ally. Right. Like you almost 100 percent. Right. And then we watch brothers kind of have relationships that deteriorate. Yeah. And then we don't like to see that because we understand how important brotherhood is, you know. But when that is happening, you just got to just step back and just let that be, you know what I mean? Because I'm cool with Cam, you know. And, you know, but first time of a hurricane, he was like, when it comes to being shot, when it comes to me and Jimmy, I'm like me too. Look at that. You see what I'm saying? Like it was they was brothers. Mm hmm. Yeah, I remember that man. I remember those days. Yeah. I remember I would never I would never do the ask me out of never thought this mean who I don't think I don't. From a hip hop standpoint. And in us being from New York, I don't think anybody would have seen something like that. Mm hmm. Well, because it's like for me, I didn't know how to handle it when the component trash were going through this shit. You know what I'm saying? Like like like me and trash that went through our shit. Yeah, yeah, I was distancing each other. We did. We did. We did this records against each other. Yeah, you call him a cracker. Yeah, definitely. Yes. Um, yes, definitely. But we squashed it. And when we squashed it, him and Pone had their shit, but they had it like. It was like between us. So really, I understood how bad it could have been if one of them were the public. You understand what I'm trying to say? Like if because because that public makes it worse, public make it worse. It makes it worse because now we planted out in front of the world to see, you know, and everybody. And it and it. I feel like it's pressure. Right. When you were here, if we beat them with each other in public, now I got to deal with especially now. Right. I got it because now we get to hear what people think and see what they they talk about. Now I got to deal with the pressure of somebody saying, yo, you know what FN said about me? No, yo, you you want to say something back? You are you looking soft, nigga? And I feel like a lot of people be succumbing to that. Absolutely. They do. Right. They might not admit it, but they do. Comments get on your ass. Right. But you gotta stay out the motherfucking comments. Yeah. Is that a pause? Was that pause? I don't do pause, man. I can't. It ain't gonna work for me. So what was you? What was you? You even pickle juice? Pickle juice. What? When you opened up the. Oh, that was Jean Relish. That was a Jean of Relish. Yeah, I love Relish, man. All right. That's weird. Just a look. I put relish. You put relish in the tunes, fish. But no. Yeah. But this is why I was like, I think Mano is crazy because. In the marathon, they give you pickle juice. Is relish in pickles? Yes. They cousins, right? Basically, it's made out of pickle. It's chopped up, diced up. Really small pieces of pickle. OK, well, that's the that's the cheat code to run more. I was like, this motherfucker is genius. What is that? Huh? You know what? I have no idea. I don't know. I mean, you know, it's kind of yeah. Oh, it's just so. Juices, the cheat code. Pickle juice is a cheat code. Like I'm on a 21st mile. You're like a lot of time, right? Yeah, I guess. I don't know. I just didn't question the guy. The guy gave me a pickle. I was trolling. I was because I had called academics a jar relish. Oh, I didn't know that. I said he built like a he built like a jar relish. Yeah, I wasn't ready. Yeah. I wasn't ready. He said he built like a jar relish. You motherfucking jar relish. You know, so I was just trolling. So I had a jar relish. Oh, I didn't catch on. That court that they knew what it was. They knew what it was. Oh, and right to the marathon. I was like, oh man. He's like, he's running. He's running. I was like, oh, that's a secret. Yeah, he knows the secret. So now I guess when you see me with a jar relish, now I'm running. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Why? Like, you know, you've been through. You survived the streets. Yeah. You survived the toughest part. Yeah. And when I hear you see something like that, like you say, oh, academics. Yeah. Why do you why do you indulge back? Sometimes if I indulge with you, it's because I feel like you worth it. You worth it. OK, that's that's real. I'm going to be honest, right? It's if I don't say nothing back to you, it's like it's your piece of shit. And it's like it can't be me versus a piece of shit because no matter how you still a piece of shit. Yeah. Period. It's just me versus a piece of shit. Right. That's not going to happen. But yeah, with him, he just he just was saying some things and I said something back and you know, it is what it is. It's this style of rhythm, right? Right. Because because I'm the biggest Floyd Mayweather fan. Yeah. And sometimes I get mad like when Floyd takes these exhibitions because no matter what, on that night, no matter who you fight, y'all on that same level. On the same level. You know what I mean? It doesn't matter if you're 10 times above. So you're right about that. But I feel like a lot of times with the Internet, we see in a different time right now, right? With the things that go on on YouTube. Streaming. And we see like these guys building pages. And I ain't talking about academic. I'm just saying in general. Building pages and they whole theme is to just go at artists and go at rappers and go at notable people and tear them down. Right. It doesn't matter if what they say and it's factual or anything. It's clickbait. We want to build our pages. We want to monetize its content. Right. You see what I'm saying? So sometimes you like, man, I got to, I got to say something back. I got to. You don't think that's part of the strategy that you're falling into their clickbait? No, because now when you have your own, when you got your own programming platform now, we, it's mines. Right. That's real. Now you got to reverse it. I don't get it like that. Clickbait. Fucking. Fucking. Right. Because now what I'm going to do because I can't beat you with truth. Because the lies more entertaining. Right. I can't be with your hand. I can't. No, because we how fighting against ghosts. Like who? Like who? And then we can't beat him with integrity because integrity doesn't matter on the internet. Right. Truth and integrity does not matter. You know what I mean? It's all about what's entertaining and, and, and, you know, what, what and like what makes people laugh and what if I could be saying a real shit to you, but if, if your jokes is funny about me. Right. You got it. Right. Right. Oh yeah. You know. So, and you recently went back to Rikers Island to talk to the kids. What was that like? I, I tried to do shit on Rikers Island as much as possible. They actually gave me my own program. I got a six week program. I don't. I haven't implemented it yet because I'm trying to figure out exactly what I want to do. But. My heart can always be for them young boys. Right. Because I was that. Right. I was the young nigga. It's as young as C 74. C 74. Okay. Boy. Okay. C 74. Yeah. That's the youngest. Yes. Let me tell you. Let's just have a walk. Let me tell you 100%. Let me tell you, I was, I went back to C 74. To your same cell, right? Why turn 18 at? It's crazy. Wow. In a bing. That's crazy. I was so emotional, I almost let one go. I was like, damn, like it was because I, when I turned 18, I was in solitary confinement. And for those of you who don't know, he's not, he's not glorifying it. He ain't glorifying nothing. He's going for where he's at right now in life. Like, you know, this is why I came here. Yeah. I want that to be clear. This is the end of that. I turned 18 years old. On Ragazal. On Ragazal in a, in a bing, in a cell, in 23 hour lock then, summertime, August 30th. I'm like, man, I want, it just, yo. That's like your Virgo. The universe. Yeah. The universe as well, because that cell happened to be unoccupied. Wow. And I walked in there and I just was like, you're trying to just feel what I felt. Right. Like just trying to remember what it felt like to be here, to live here and can't get out and not know what to do with my rage and not not to do it all this energy. Now I don't know what to do with it. All right. You see? But yeah, it's, so I try to get them, I try to talk to them as much as possible. I try to do as much as I can when it come to, you know, what they call at risk youth. All right. And shit like that. Because we was young niggas going to spa for this shit like that. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. 100%. Yeah. So is there any difference in the mentality that you see now with the youth than when you was in there? Yes. I'm trying to say this in the right way. Like when I look at, when I look at a lot of the young niggas, because I feel like they influenced by so many other things that we wasn't, our influence was the need to get money by any means. If we got to shoot the shit out of somebody, we're going to do it. If we respect, we're going to die for it. A lot of what they doing is based around drug use and shit like that, getting high and peeled up and K2'd up and, you know, in jail, smoking K2 is just, it's a more of a like a not conscious of what your for activity really is. It's like, I didn't really commit to these streets. I just was influenced by them. I did shit not because I felt like doing it or meant to do it. Everything I said, I did. Everything I did in my life, I meant to do it. I wasn't influenced by drugs. I wasn't influenced by alcohol. I did what I had, what I felt like I had to do. What I see from them is I feel like the influence is like drugs, alcohol, you know, peer pressure, you know, being in gangs and shit like that. I don't feel like that's a real commitment. All right. I don't feel like it's a real commitment to the streets. Right. Because if I say, if I put this shit on my back and say, I'm going to be this nigga, I'm going to be it. That's and I'm going to take everything that they come with. So when I see them, it's just like it's like a look in the eyes that I don't remember seeing when I was a young nigga in the same state. You don't see yourself in these kids? For I see myself as far as like going through the experience. I feel like when we was there, we were more determined on trying to get something. And then I was in Rikers Island when the phones was free. Oh, yeah. You know, you could wear clothes, you had Jews and you had to defend for yourself. You couldn't hide behind no gang. Yeah, you had to be who you said you was. Right. You had to actually perform. You couldn't have been just a, you know what I'm saying? If you was a prison in jail reveal who you really are. It had been to shoot them up gang, bang, nigga. And in jail you saw. And jail you just saw. Now we're going to see who you are. Taking your hot rocks. Taking your hot rocks. Taking your cheese. Look at that. Look at that. Only jail niggas understood what I was saying. Foul. That's about how you had to be that. Yeah, exactly. You know. What's the next for me? Everything, man. OK. I know you was acting. Acting is cool. You know what? I like to act. But I like to act in something that I'm producing even more. You see? Like doing that as a just like. Being hired just to act. I don't I don't like that hustle. Because I heard you say one time that you was looking to play a police officer. Like I want to I want to be a. You want to be a. No, yeah, I want to I want to I want to I want to play a priest in a horror movie. Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Wait a minute. I wasn't ready. No, no, no, no, no, no. I want to I want to be a fucking priest in a horror movie like like like like coming here when they they call me. When they give an ex. Yeah, she's possessing and I got to come in here with my shit on. How the hat? You were Catholic priest. Yeah. Yeah. The only niggas. Yeah. Exorcism. Yeah. What the exorcism? They're the only niggas. But. I got to be. What do we do, father? Hold on. I got you. Hold on. Let me just tell you how everything is meant to be. So Iced tea. Yeah, this morning today. Yeah. And he texted me a song and he made a new song. Right. Guess what the name of his song. What? Hustle hard. Really? Wow. Shout out to Iced. Shout out to Iced. Shout out to Irogyne, man. He's a legend. We're a super, super duper legend. Yeah. Yeah. How is the hustle hard movie? We still hustle hard? Of course. Hustle hard is not to me and them. It's just really life. What we do when we get up in the morning, no? Mm-hmm. We hustle hard. And don't stop. And don't stop. You haven't lost a step yet. Yeah, I've lost a couple of steps, but it's OK. I'm outside. I'm outside, though. You're making a bunch more stuff. Yeah, making a little. You're stomach a little bit. You're getting right back to it, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, you know what you're spucking. I missed a couple of later. I mean, listen, I come with a journey. Yes, yes, yes. Come with a journey. You know what I mean? What's the game if you don't miss a couple of shots? Right. But the thing is, you got to stay in the game, though. Stay in the game. That's the name. And keep that smile. That smile. You got to keep smiling. It's a million dollars, man. You got to keep smiling. You got to keep smiling. Now, I also read one where this would make me nervous one time. Yeah. Where you was like, man, every time I get something new, I'll go to the hood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, damn, that was because I understood where that was leading. Yeah. But I didn't know if you would have respected my word. Tell me what's your word. No, I would have been like, Manon, that's not the right thing to do. Understood. Understood. Did you learn it's not the right thing to do? Or you still do that? No, I don't do that anymore. OK, OK. Because it's no, it's no, you can't please niggas. Like, you're too accessible. They say, oh, he ain't nobody. That's just Manon. We always on Gates Avenue. He has nothing. You know, but when I got things new, the first my first Bentley, the first God damn it. Let's look at the first. The first Bentley I ever had was a black coupe. Oh, the first thing I did. Driving from from, you know, Long Island was go straight to the hood. One of the niggas to see me in it. Not because I wanted to show off because I felt I thought that this was like motivation. I thought I was thinking you're showing off. That. Yeah, that happens. And I thought that I was like. I don't always look at myself as like. Motivation, like I come from. Yeah, I come from the people. So I am the people. I always looked at myself as that. Like I'm not above you all. Like you all watch me out here suffering and struggling with you all. Y'all know my story. I know I was in jail going through it. Y'all know I was in, you know, been through all this shit. So it was like the first time I got that, it was just like a. Let me go right to the hood. Like you're saying this is what we can do. Yeah, like you want people to be happy for you. Yeah, but I don't know if that always translates. It doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't. I had to I had to I had to learn that. Yeah, because I didn't I didn't actually have people that that I that I might have respected really giving me no real game in the game. All people with experience. People with experience. You need experience. Yeah, yeah, because the nigga in the street, they didn't even didn't amount to anything. Can't really tell you. Right. Because you know, you're like, I ain't expecting shit from you. So nobody really kind of gave me no real real game. But now I understood I had to learn the hard way about a lot of shit. It's funny because even the crack head and the hood has great advice. It's just a crack. And you just don't want to do it. You just you just you know, we look at him as something we don't want to be. We don't want to be. But he'll say you some wisdom, though. Yeah, I'll tell you some experience. Yeah, you got away. Put them streets and be on the corners. You like what? He's got poetic with poetic and all that. That's a fact. All that. Um, um, OK. You've been in this game. When is the first time you've been disappointed in the people of this industry? And I don't mean business. I mean, like, because we all come into this with a facade that this guy is this person, this guy is this person. And when we get to meet, like, I don't want to meet my heroes no more. I heard that. I don't want to meet my heroes no more, bro. Like, like, I'm so scared to meet Larry David. Because if he disappoints me, this is one of my eyes, man. So what was the time you wanted to meet somebody and just was like, oh, I think that happens often. Yeah, I think we we see people from afar. And then we have this. Kind of losing of who we think they are. Right. The idea of who. And then we see him. It's like, man. He not who I think he was. But the real shit is that the real shit is that in the reverse, that's you, too. Yeah. Yeah. People meet you and be like, yo, I thought you was just like this angry guy like this fucking just wow, God, it's like you're really cool. Like you're funny. Like I would have never known. All right. You see what I'm saying? So it kind of works in reverse, you know, but. I I don't have high expectations of people, though. Not anymore. I did. I did. So I did. I did. He started laughing like, I know what you talking about. I know just who the fuck he talking about. The high expectation for niggas. Yeah, I mean, this thing is a fucking weirdo. I'm so but I got years of experience. So yeah, my suit is not just like 10 year. I got like 25 years of like, yo, me being skeptical to meet people. Right. And not only meet them. What the fuck? Because you would keep up with the act for a certain time. But that act is going to run out. Like, for instance, Dr. Dre is exactly who I thought he was. Like he's exactly like I got to spend a whole day with him. Go to his his his his house. What the milestone, man? His neighborhood and like he was exact. And that's this is this is this is a guy. That's a guy. A guy. So like as a guy, you you like you don't want you don't want to be let down. Right. I came late a little bit on purpose. Just the seat. Yeah, just just just just just for me to be like, you know, you that nigga too. Yeah. Imagine he would have told you I judge people by how I would. I would have been like my bad. I would have been like my bad. And yeah, any any any did no one ever tell you how I snuck the gun in and you just have a gun in the house in the club for me. Yeah, I was I was one doing the. Yeah. So we're not. I know. It was just no one collectively. No. No, I mean, I still be. I was doing the list. Let me let me take it. So you tell me for all. Mainland was still fresh up the streets and I'm like, nah, we deep in there and we good. He like, yo, no, I don't go and nowhere without the. And security. We got I got I got I got I got I was like, I was like, I hold it for you. We sit and we sit and I'm sitting in a truck. I'm like, nah, my nigga ain't going to remember that day. Like it was yesterday. That's a fact. No, it's a gift to me. I got I hold it. Yes. Took the grip in there for me, man. And then you feel safe. Like, yeah, you know, I was like, yo, we really say I understand that New York mentality, bro. I was a fact. Yes, yes, yes. That's a fact. But it was all over in that club. It was all. Yeah, definitely. You know, you understand the mentality, right? So I asked this question the other day. I was just like, it's the streets. Is it a physical place or is it in or is it a mentality? What are they calling it now? They said the streets is what? So I'm asking, yeah, is it is the streets a physical place or is it a mentality? Yo, I think it's both, man. Yeah, I was I think you guys take a shot to that. Yeah, we do. Yeah, I think it's both. I would like to be shot to. Yeah, I think it's both. It's both. OK, but if they gentrify that same neighborhood, then what? Oh, then you win on that. It becomes a mentality because it becomes a mentality. Yes. And that's the thing. Yes, that's real. That's deep. I'm from Bed-Stuy, right? And that's like the like a heavily gentrified neighborhood. They got Starbucks now. They got even more than that. Yeah, you got a couple of cappuccinos and all those cappuccinos, white ladies walking with dogs in a dumblehouse. And yeah, that's down in Williamsburg. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's next door neighbor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, it's it's real. Yeah, we got we got you can still go to Fort Greene and get raw. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It even in Bed-Stuy? You can't even eat a course. You're walking on the same block. But you got the ladies walking around with their poodles and fucking shitsuit dogs. And they did, what's those, there's a little Santa Birkin. The Birkin stuff. We still don't know if it's good or bad though, right? Cause the crime, Yeah, economically is bad if the ownership does. Right, economically. We're shot as they don't benefit. But it's good for the, I guess the crime, maybe, right? But then we shot understand what's happening here because it's like, we used to hang out there. So they took the same corners. I have a little aquarium at one point. It was a little aquarium, a fish aquarium. Yeah, and best thought, didn't it? No, they ran it over. Yeah, it was a fucking aquarium. Yeah, it was a fucking aquarium. Yeah, it was a Google, it could be ran over. No, it was like made, it was like made. Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah. The personal made that is like family to me. Okay, yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. I'm gonna wait. He explains all these medley. It was on Jefferson, Jefferson and Tompkins. It was a, you know what the Johnny pump is? We called it the hydrant. The hydrant. The hydrant. He made like a little. That attached to it? Yeah, no, no, in the water, he made like this contraption where it was like real fish in there. Yeah, it was the most creative shit I've ever seen. Yeah, it was the most creative shit ever. Like, and this guy's like family with me. Like, he made this and it was really nice. They said Jadakiss came down and see it. They have been flying in for all over the world. No, it was real small, but it was dope. Yeah, like gold fishing there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You understand? Yeah. Gold fishing on the sidewalk. I was mad as a motherfucker. They wrecked it. I was like, damn, we can't have nothing. Shout out to our audience. I didn't even know you knew him yet. Look, this is the guy. I didn't even know you knew him. Let me see. Is that it? Let me see. Yeah, look at that. Yeah, like real goldfish. That's great. They're like the little Nemo fishes. Mm-hmm. Do you think you're a Brooklyn? Mm-hmm. You're an old school Brooklyn. Did you ever think that there's a Brooklyn where ever exists? I didn't even think I would make it to this Brooklyn. Wow. I'm gonna be honest with you. That's real. I never looked, I never thought like I'm a live to be. I never thought in terms of that. Right. But. Just being a honey with you. That's dope. That's dope, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you even got a main old day. A main old day, yeah. Main old day. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good. That's good. Like, that's good. In my neighborhood that I grew up at. That's fucking something like that. Yeah, it's amazing. Okay, so how did that come about? So I was doing things for my neighborhood without so-called broadcasting. And I was always doing like co-drives and coming to the neighborhood. Yeah, Macy's or something like that, right? Shit, so Macy's used to give me like $60,000 worth of coast. Maybe like 40, between $40,000 and $60,000 worth of coast every year. And I would take those coasts. It was brand new coast, but it was like the inventory. And I shout out to Bless because he don't wanna patch me in with that. And what happened was I would take those coasts and bring them to my neighborhoods. There was females, young kids and women's coasts. And I would give them out mostly like every year. And then I would like try to do as much as I could for my neighborhood. And then I got approached about having a day in my name. And it's like, that was different. Cause I only thought niggas, you had to die to get a day. Yeah, or your name on the streets. Yeah, you gotta be gone to get that. Yeah, yeah. So what does maino day consist of? So maino day, so when I asked him, I said, listen, you gonna give me this day? It's gonna be like, what is it? I was trying to understand. It was like the Brooklyn Borough President. We gonna give this day the maino and it's gonna be this day of service. And I'm listening to him talk. And I'm just like, all right, I know what to do. First thing first, I wanna make the day my mother's birthday. May she rest in peace. I wanna have it. I wanna celebrate her birthday at the same time, but I wanna do something for the, that wasn't done for us. Let me block off two city blocks. Can I do that? I had this vision. I was like, I wanna block off two city blocks. And I wanna, on one end, I wanna have a stage for the local artists. On the other end, I wanna have all these functions for kids, rides, bouncy houses, trucks, ice cream, food trucks, all that. And in the middle, I wanted to be festival style, like with vendors giving away things. I don't sell nothing to the hood, right? And my vision, we did that. Two years in a row, right? Two years in a row, we did that. Make some money. Make some money. It's no violence, it's lit. I'm talking about, it's huge. Like I was watching, I was like going around, looking at what Spike Lee been doing. Because Spike Lee does something in Bed-Stuy 2. Every year, a big block party. For, for, do the right thing. So I was like, looking at what he was doing, I was like, I see what you, so I got two city blocks. I'm going for three this year. Right. Right? My permit. And really make this, it's a festival style. I had mothers come to me and saying, thank you because I couldn't afford to take my kid to a amusement park. Yeah, yep. All right. I'm going to go to the conventions and shit like that. Right, play land. And you out here bringing rides. Right, play land to the hood. You out here doing that. That's fire. So thank you. You know, and we giving away book bags, sneakers, shirts. We giving, I got healthcare out there. Shout out to Metro Plus coming out there, signing people up for healthcare. You know, I just trying to like give back at the same time. You know what I mean? Right. Word. You ever thought you would have a main or a day? Fucking no. I mean, man. What? And definitely not a lie. Okay. Let's keep it real. Okay, so we got things for the kids. We got things for the... Local artists, things for the families. But then where's the after party at? Scarlet's? Possibly. Possibly, Scarlet's, right? Scarlet's, possibly. Scarlet's, all right, what about that? Scarlet's is out here. I'm fucking, I'm sorry. Scarlet's, what about that? Yeah, yeah, I'll even be in New York in a minute. All right, bye-bye. It's always a, I mean, I like to have a good time. Yeah, you like strip clubs. A lot. I told you I lost the rolling. Oh yeah, I said. Right, I was half... Don't do mollies when you... I was half two mollies. Two, you ain't saying two. Two mollies. He's off the line. He do the extra one in there. He do the extra one in there real quick. It was a midget in there that night. Oh, I know about the midget. I know the midget. Yeah, I know about the midget. I wanted that midget that night. Oh, you a different guy. That molly hit me different. I was like, yo, no, but I lost it on the comeback. Like, I woke up, it was gone. Like, the girl, that was in the room with me. Right, she was gone? Yeah, she was gone. The watch was gone. You know, I learned my lesson though. Yeah, you got this. Listen, sometimes you take bumps and bruises on a journey. For sure. You know, we still here though. Say what? Are you tired? I know. Yeah. No, she was gone, nigga. Out of there. She gone. I woke up. Yeah, gone. 1.32 in the morning. I'm gone. Out of here. Totally gone. We seen you on Love & Hip Hop. Are you actually... Because we heard you say you getting married on the radio. Is this actually... I wanna get married, man. I believe you. It's gonna happen. I believe you. It's gonna happen. I'm gonna set the date first though. Oh shit, you ain't even set the date. See, my information is wrong. They do. So last year, last year, you gotta understand what's happening. Okay. Understand me. Okay, I'm here. Last year I set a date. Oh, you did set a date? For July 26th. Mm. Okay. I went to Robby's suits and picked out a tuxedo. Okay. I went and sat with a wedding planner. Okay. I went to Mazza and picked out a ring. Okay. I did all this before I even had a wedding or like a bride to be. Oh, damn. Wait, what? Yeah, I did that first. And that's how I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna... You're gonna set up the party and then bring... I'm gonna set it up and then all she gotta do is show up. Yeah, I'm gonna make my life... Not just anybody, man. I'm gonna make my life easier. And if need be, I'll have... What... The bridesmaid's already there for you. Me, me. You got pre-picked bridesmaids? Yeah. I've never heard them say like that. All my homegirls. This might be the most genius shit I've ever heard. I'm gonna keep it a hundred. Yeah, yeah. This is a reality show already by itself. It sounds... Nothing is ever going to happen. It sounds... Nothing is impossible, my brother. Believe that. Trust me. Sonny, could be the person that marries you guys. You a preacher? No. No, we're gonna get... The preacher is mine. Who else is a preacher? You get a rabbi wanting to do it? Who else? I feel like Ray J is a preacher too. Mace. Mace. That's a nice grade. Mace. Mace is a preacher. Definitely. Mace can do it. And we got one more. Daddy Yankee, I think. Oh, yeah, Daddy Yankee. Daddy Yankee. Mace is a preacher. I just think... Is it preaching? Let's just roll with it, man. Let's just roll with it. Let's just roll with it. If you're a Christian, you're a preacher. Just roll with it. Christian preacher, you can do it. You got the good book, you can do it. Straight up. If you believe, you can do it. So... Who? Oh, Malice. That's who I was looking for. Malice. Yeah, he's a preacher? Yes. If you believe in the Lord, you can preach. He married a preacher. No, he married... Pusha. No, he didn't marry Pusha. He married... Oh, he married Pusha. That's just sounding crazy, man. Come on, give me a minute. We're starting off, folks. You married... No one to drink to that. At my wedding, my preacher's gonna fly down. Oh, like... Like, you see, I drew ski. I did it. You see, I drew ski. You see, I drew ski. Oh, you got that drew ski and character doing it. Right. You gonna fly down with Louis Vuitton on and all that. Okay. I need one and I'm naked. So you really got a wedding plan. I'm gonna replant it because... I didn't make it to July 26. That was last year. So I'm gonna announce a new date for this year. But you have a woman, correct? No. They didn't know. They didn't know. He's announcing the show without... Yeah. ...the supporting act. There's no woman. Okay. So, because I heard they say, like, that's what they say. And that's why they say at the weddings, and this woman, because it could be anybody, like, or they say this is a loyal and graphic man because they have the tuxedos. Right. So anybody could go in there, like, I've never heard of this, like how you... Yeah, this is different. This is different. Who would be your best man at your wedding? I'll have a couple. Okay. A couple, a few best men. We have some rappers and Regulus. Let's name who we are. We gotta do shit out of the box, bro. Okay. We can't do the same thing over and over again. So I'll have a couple homies. Lobby boys. Yeah. Lobby boys. I like that. I like that. Let's drink to that. Let's drink to that. Okay. Definitely fucking Lobby boys. So it would be... Fab. Fab. Okay. Okay. Dave. Okay. Yep. Why not? They're my guys. What Uncle Murda make your wedding party? Uncle Murda. I love Uncle Murda. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I love Uncle Murda, man. Because y'all... Y'all know this brother? I love Uncle Murda. That's my brother. I love Uncle Murda. We started this shit together. Yeah, I wish I liked that. We started this shit together. Like, it's main on Uncle Murda records that go all the way back to 2005. Wow. It was main on Uncle Murda, opponent in Noriega. Yep. On the dog pound. Got to record that guy. That's right. Yep. Like, yellow tape is classic, you know what I mean? But I just think, you know, circumstances and time, I don't want to say redefine our relationship, because I still feel like... Because me and that... We never even had an argument, ever. Of course. I still feel like the respect is there, but you know, he would 50. And you understand, when being with 50... He requires loyalty. He requires a... Yeah. Like the sense of loyalty, like, nigga, you better not... Right. You know, he is different. Which is real. Which is real. At this point right now, we... I don't think what we got with 50 is serious. I think that that's just... For him, it's definitely... I think he's somewhere like laughing at the same time. Like, when he's like throwing little shots at niggas or whatever. Yeah. But I think for murder, his... This is what changed his life. And that has to be respected. So it is what it is, you know? I respect that. I hope y'all get it together, too. Like, who? You're a murderer, yeah. No, we don't have no... No, I understand. Like, I love y'all together. Like, if there's another album that could be made... Yeah, yeah. Yo, tape. Yeah, I would like to hear it, bro. But I don't know if that... I don't know in the climate if that could actually happen. Okay. You know what I mean? If we talked about loyalty... Yeah. And we talked about picking our sides. And it's understandable when sides are picked. I don't have no problem with a nigga that picking sides. I understand it. I respect it. You see what I'm saying? Right. And I had a relationship with 50. We was super cool. Because he had something to do with putting you on as well, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. I was signed on... I was signed on Universal. We talked about that. Yeah, we talked about that. Universal dropped me. I was back in the hood. Back in the hood. I was at Ryo House on Monroe between Noche and Marci in his basement recording records in the hood. Wow. I'm trying to figure it out. 50 at that point had a relationship with my brother 80. 80 called me and said, look, I'm in 50 office with him right now. We kicking it. Next thing you know, within an hour I'm getting phone calls from Atlantic. Yo, you got a meeting. Craig Howman? Yeah, they called me from Atlantic. Got a meeting. They want me up at Atlantic. What happened was 50 asked them, said, yo, what y'all doing? Like, you know what I mean? He's like, yo, we talking to Atlantic. Because I had, at that point, once I got dropped to the university, we was in talks with Atlantic. Oh, yo, so already? Okay, okay. Yeah. But you know how them talks are. And let me ask you, what regime is that in Atlantic? Is that Craig Howman? Is that Julie Greenwall? Yeah. Mike Kaiser in them? Or is that just Craig Howman? It's Craig Howman, but all those people together. Okay, they're together. Okay, so that's the old Def Jam coming over. Yeah, okay. Oh, seven. Okay. So, 50 said to my brother, 80, yo, you want me to call over there? Yeah, they talking, but they act like they want to do something. They ain't did it yet. What's up? They call over there and tell them, yo, let me speak to Craig. Get Craig on the phone. Yo, look, what y'all doing with Mano? Yeah, you know, we talking. Listen, if I could do it, I would do it. All right. They got the movement. Yeah. That's some niggas. Hung that phone up. It was on my line. By the time they hung that phone up, I was getting called into a meeting. That's how powerful he was and influential he was. So, for me, I always had a... When it came to that. Right. That's real? Right. I'm a nigga that I ain't, I don't never forget that type of shit. Now mind you, right? I got people upset about the relationship that me and him building. At that time. At that time. Okay. My son, his mother, right? His mother is upset about that because her brother is the person that they blame for shooting him. Wow. Okay. So when you talk about Hamo, that's my son's uncle. My son is named Zane Darrow Coleman. Darrow was his name. I never met him though. So I didn't feel the, like a connection to that. Like, I just felt like that was just circumstances and, you know, and not a relationship. And not a respect. I get it that that's the family, you know what I mean? But the relationship that me and him was building, you know, I was, it was like, what, like, nigga, you helped me. Right. So I never, I never forgot that. Right. You see what I'm saying? Like, that was something that I always kept with me, like this thing. And I never, and that's all you got to do for a nigga like me. I'm not asking for no song. I'm not asking for nothing else that you did enough, you know? But yeah. So, and even still with the relationship that me and him was building at that time, I still was hearing shit like, oh, how could you, you know, be it, you know, fuck with somebody that, you know, your son's family, you know, I didn't understand, you know, I didn't get it, but, you know, it was what it was. Wow. That's a crazy connection, man. Right. And then what did T.I. have to do? I know we spoke about it earlier. What did T.I. have to do with the beginning of your career? Was that, did he come in, in Atlantic? Chip, yeah. Chip was definitely helpful. Chip wanted to sign me the Grand Hustle. That didn't actually work out. So I never fully signed the Grand Hustle, but I was a... That was the time they had the big dude. Well, who? Country Kane? Yeah, Country Kane. Yeah, shout out to Country Kane. Yeah. Country Kane. Yeah. Right. I, um, yeah, I never signed to Grand Hustle. We talked about it. We was trying to figure out what that was because what happened was Atlantic was signing me direct, you know, and sometimes I think like maybe... Like if you were to do it through T.I., it didn't really have to be through him and you say it... Right, right. They were signing me direct. Yeah, it was a better band. He said it was a better band. I mean, I'm trying to say like it's not... It's not... It's not... It was no... Yeah, it was no cut. It was no cut. It was hustle hard directly with Atlantic. Right. Now, you recently, um, had a picture with Jay, right? Yeah. And it looked like you was relieved for some reason. What? Like, it looked like you was like, you know, man, I finally... I felt like... Now, this is me speculating. Yeah. I felt like you had to tell him something at that very moment. And after that moment was the picture. Now, I'm speculating. He told me he watched the show. This is when the kitchen talk was out. This is the kitchen talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was surprised about that. Right. He watches everything. I was super surprised. So that's what that moment was. He was telling me, yo, man, I watched the show. Right. I'm like, what? He watches everything. You watch me, nigga? Yeah. You know? I mean, this is whole. We look at whole with a certain lens, you know? Right. But what happened? It was even in the description. It wasn't since rumors. What did you say about whole? You got to know that when I came in the game, I came in the game with a lot of... Like, yeah, it's the woo lines. Like, you want somebody to say woo. Yeah, like talking crazy, you know, saying shit that not having somebody school me to the game. You see, the thing is, my perception of the game was, at that point was, you know, I was getting out of prison. I'm telling my niggas, yo, we really who we say we are. Right. We really involve with the shit that we involve with. These niggas is just acting. We can be that. We can show the world. And I had this perception of like, we're going to show them, we're going to out tough these niggas and out real them. Right. Right? Like show the world that they not who they are and lead a genuine article. And that was, that was the most, the most primitive thought ever. Right. Because it's really dumb. Do you think if that line wouldn't came out, you guys would embrace each other? Which line? Like I'm saying, you like taking a shot at J or whatever. Because I said mad shit. Okay. I said shit about Jim Jones. The whole song, woo was like, heard J was a scary dude and all this shit. I'm telling my like, I literally went to Marcy and shit. And he don't come to Marcy and I'm listening to this dumb shit. He don't come to Marcy. Right. We say that's equivalent to 50s how to rock. Yes. Which was kind of inspired me. Right. Right. Of course. Let's keep it real. And which is inspired by Biggie's fucking the R&B bit. Absolutely. But he was just talking about R&B. Yeah. And I'm just talking about the room. The same format though. All three is the same format. So I'm saying shit. I'm shooting videos because what, what we trying to do? We trying to get attention. Right. Right. So they would call that trolling now. Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah. I seen a nigga say, yo man, oh you came in a game trolling. Why you mad at me? Who somebody else? Yes. I said, you right. Or somebody else trolling you. Yeah. So I'll. You admitted to it? Right. Yeah. You got to be on the, because you know what? Because when you, when you feel like it's no other options, you do what you feel like it's, it's you out of survival. Can I admit one thing? Yeah. My very first record, LA LA. Arguably one of the biggest trolls. The biggest troll. LA LA. LA LA. One of the biggest trolls. Damn. You're supposed to agree like that. It's true. It's true. Yeah. But arguably one of the very first troll records because we had never even been to LA. Like we ain't, we ain't leave Jamaica Avenue, let alone Jamaica. Like we were, we didn't even know what LA smelled like. Been on the planet for 25 years and still cuck. The world is burning like the, oh my God. So we made LA. What? And we never even knew what kind of like we were talking about. And I tell you this, I tell you this. But you didn't go hard. We didn't because. That's the thing. It's the hook. Mainly. But I'm agreeing with him. I'm saying like that was the thing. I'm saying like that was that, that was that attention like real quick and we got it real quick. And then New York big had our back. Right. When you feel like you ain't got no other options. Well, hold up. Sorry to cut you, but Tim dogs the first fuck Compton. Oh shit. That's the first. Yeah. That's a good one. Shout out to Tim dog. Yeah. That's him. That's him. That's him. Yeah. He died. Yeah. Tim dog died. Didn't he? Yeah, I got to stop the shit. I got to be honest with you. He passed. You just. It's Tim. We're going to fight it. No, I think you had not. Tim dog died. Oh, see this is how fucked up our world is. Someone throws a fact out. I agree with the fact that we someone said no, that's not a fact. And we all fucked up. Real life was really fucked up is that we didn't know he passed. No, no. I remember when I bless him. No man. It was crazy as I was doing mad research on you, right? And I went online. I seen an interview from you from six years ago. Yeah. An interview for you six years ago. It was envy was y'all was playing around with him. It was like, it kind of kept bringing up like three, six, three, six, three, six, but I'm not going to say that that part. The part. That intrigued me was like you start talking about nipsy hustle. Yeah. And I believe your words was man, if that's, if that shit could happen to nipsy hustle. Yeah. It could happen. It could happen. You know, do you think that was a mistake for nipsy going back to the hood? Is was it a mistake for him to be back? I mean, for him to be invested in the hood like that. Not invested. It's like, like you just said, right? You said you gave coach back to the hood. You got this main old day. Like, but I still go do things though. Yeah, I know. I know that. But I'm asking this particular because you know, we actually got to run with nipsy hustle brother, black Sam and marathon. We've been doing it February 21st in LA. And this is something I'm asking you as a, as a, as a, as a, as a East Coast as a federal legend, do you think that that was a mistake for nipsy invested into the hood? What I mean by invested? I mean, his time and I mean the actual store, like having it there. Um, we only will say that in hindsight. We only, we only will say that because of what happened. If that had that not happened, we would be like, yo, he a real nigga. We will salute him for what he's doing. We will commend him for that. You know, we will be like, yo, he's, he's in the community. He's giving back to the community. He, he cares about the community. So I, I don't, I can't say that that was a mistake. I feel like that that was a, that was an incident that reminds you that what could happen when you're so accessible, right? When you're so accessible and the mentality of, of, of the hood, you know, can you, can you blame the community straight up? I think that that could possibly happen if he invested somewhere else. The, the, who will follow you? It'll follow you anywhere. You can't blame the community, especially because generally speaking, he was love. Right. Right. Generally speaking, I'm loved in my community. Like, so the issue could go anywhere, but you have, you got that one person, you got those one, those two people that so upset with their lives, so upset with the, with what they see in the mirror, that they hate you more than they hate their situation. Right. Yeah. They would, they would spend more time plotting on, on, on, on how to knock you off. Then put energy into fixing their situation. But my question is this, if had he done the same thing in Santa Monica and then, and people knew he was there daily, right, might not the same thing. Right. Right. What you saying is right. Right. Anything that happened anywhere. Right. Yeah. You can't blend, you can't blanket blame their community as a whole. Right. Because when you go back to what we said earlier, we cut you off, but the streets is a mentality. It's a mentality. That's the mentality. That's the mentality. Because most, let's think about the streets. Let's think about our ghettos. Right. The majority of our ghettos are filled with working class families that, that don't adhere to street rules. Right. Those mothers, those fathers that get up. You are so right. You're right, bro. And go to work, get on a train, get on a bus to go to work. Right. They got kids. They not part of the streets. The streets is a small community of people that come from there, right, that kind of delve into a certain lifestyle. Everybody that's from your project, so your block, wasn't into the shit that you was doing. Yeah. It was a small portion of people. Right. But it was about the larger scheme of things. Everybody is not like, come on, think about your building. How many people in your building really was selling drugs? Yeah. Not, not even half. How many people in your building was really shooting shit? Not even half. Not even half. Everybody, you know, drugs affected a lot of our families, but everybody didn't fall victim. Right. And that's the thing. When you get older, you understand that it's a little bit of the mentality. When I was younger, I used to go to church in 40 projects, right? And I used to meet with these women. I mean, like, you know, in the church women, a church woman, and they used to go back to 40 projects. They never knew they lived in the hood at all. Right. So the hood was still carrying their bags, like, you know, their grocery bags. So these ladies was like, they never looked at it like they were in. I understand it because when you don't have anything to measure it against, you don't have nothing to compare it to. If you lived in dark all this time and never seen light, you would figure out how to make the best of the dark. Right. You wouldn't have nothing to compare it to. You wouldn't be like, oh my God, it's light. You don't know light. All you know is the dark. So the pain that comes from being in an impoverished neighborhood doesn't start to feel like pain unless you have something to compare it to. Let's go to a couple of your records. Damn, that aquarium did look good, bro. That aquarium did look good. That should look crazy. I pictured some little ass things. It was cute. Yeah, I was happy. People were flying in for all over. So how did it get destroyed? I think someone backed up into it like Mano J with Cool Hercs. Oh my God. Don't be like that. No, I admit it. I admitted something and I never admitted it. You had to take that. What do you do with that? I hope we have a cool work on Drink Chance and I hope you come and watch that first. We got to give him a new school there and all that. New school, man. Okay. You gonna remember my name. Yeah. Got to be one of your hardest, hardest. Yeah. I had fighters that come out to that. You won't remember my name. Damn, I ain't even thinking of that. That is a fighting song. Yeah. Oh, we got to put that on the Run Chance one of these. Oh, shit. Damn. Yeah. Inspiration. So where was you at mentally? First album, man. You know. I'm not glazing you, but let me let you know how hard your first album is. I was hired when I downloaded it. I downloaded the clean version and never knew. Like just kept playing it and then I played it like at a bar because somewhere and it's like, yo, slum, you know, you got the clean version. I was like, I didn't even know. That's how hard I was so satisfied. Man. I was very, very, very, very, very good. Thank you. Thank you. See it for when you come and like, and then listen to that. That was, that's, that's one of a perfect album. Perfect album. Right. First album was really, they say you spend your lifetime making your first album. As they say, because you talking about your truth, your energy, your life and all that your childhood, you know, turning into an adult, whatever you've been through in that time. And then you make your first album. And after that, everything else, else after that, you trying to figure it out. Like a crackhead getting a first high. They keep chasing that. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. So remember my name. Where's your mentality? Where you at? What studio you at? I'm in, I'm in, I'm in Blastoff studio. That sounds like a pause. Yeah, that's a dust. That's what it goes. Yeah, that's what it does. Sounds like a pause. And I don't even play pause, but it sounds like Blastoff studio is wild. If it pauses, you then pause. I don't even want to ask where that's at. Yeah. Yeah. In Times Square. In Times Square, okay. You know, and, you know, at that, at that point, like I felt like I had a point to prove that I was a musician. I was like, I'm trying to come up with this street shit and energy, this pain, this, you know what I mean? And, and, and, but trying to paint a picture, you know? Learn. Uh, now in a Tupac movie. Tupac movie. You play the niggas that's getting Tupac. Yeah. That weird, like when you go on the West Coast, like, because... So many people said that I don't fuck with you because you shot Tupac. I'm like, nigga, it's a movie. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. You know how many people was mad at me behind that? I ain't gonna lie. You shot Tupac. Yeah. Like I really do. Like, did you shoot him or you laid him down? I didn't fucking shoot him. I shot him in the movie. What the fuck? That's crazy. That's crazy. My bad. It's all right. I did shoot him. Okay. In the movie. In the movie. Yeah, I shot Tupac. Yeah. So, okay. That's crazy. In the movie. In the movie. Come on, guys. Come on, man. People clip shit up crazy in there. Like... I shot Tupac. Yeah. In the movie. In the movie. Yeah. But your pause is wild right now. Your pause is very endable. All right. Hold on. Hold on. What's the fuck? I shot Tupac. In the movie. The actual... I shot Tupac in the movie. There you go. There you go. There you go. Yeah. There you go. I shot Tupac in the movie. It was acting folks. It was acting. Like, Pac is not a regular dude. Nah, not at all. If you have a... If you're a Pac fan, you're like a Trump supporter. Nothing can get you away from that shit. Die hard. Yeah, die hard. Yes. Fanatic. Yes. Niggas in my comments. Listen, I started fucking with you ever since I've seen you shoot Tupac. What? What? You said that... What? You can't even be mad at that, though. It's like... For this man. You're like, yeah, you... You do know... It was a... Just a movie. When a movie came out... You know, I just had a little part. Right. Right. Niggas, you think this is a rap video? Yeah. You think this is a rap video? We told you, nigga, to lay it down. Right. Right? I rented a whole movie theater. Oh, I did the same thing. Whole theater. Yeah. Whole theater. Like, the whole... The whole room. Like, 72, 100, whatever the seats was. I rented it out. You know what I mean? Just for that part. You know, I had a whole bar set up. It was crazy. You know, we got to overdo it. Congratulations. Yeah. So, all right. The problem with that... It's not a problem with that scene, but that scene is real... Very graphic. It's looking dudes in there. Yeah. Was you ever skeptical? Oh, this is a Quad Studio shooting that you're depicting. Yes. What shooting you thought it was? For a second, I was in Vegas. For a second, I was in Vegas. You was in Vegas? In my mind right now, I was in Vegas. They never depicted that. Right. They never depicted what that looked like. Right. So, all right, because obviously Benny Boone is the director. Yeah, shout out to Benny Boone. Benny Boone is actually a New York director. Absolutely. He receives slack off-top from everyone that's saying, Oh, man. All right. A New York niggas telling a story. Yeah, I think he's from Brooklyn, right? Is he from Brooklyn? I believe he is. And then he actually hires real Brooklyn dudes to play the bad Brooklyn guy role. Yeah. Like, did you read that and be like, wait a minute. Yeah. How did this happen? Listen, I was in a zone. I was in a zone so hard that the nigga that looked like the nigga that played it pop. I was asking him, was he okay? Am I hurting you, my nigga? Because Boone told me to just be your natural self. Exposed out. You was in that position. And I was losing it. The shit that I'm saying, if you go back and listen to that movie, everything that I'm saying in that movie, none of it was in the script. Oh, it shouldn't be. He went in. I'm sorry. You think this is a rap video, nigga? You know what happened to rappers that think this is a fucking video? Yeah. And the lens is in on you, too. Yeah, it was crazy. I was someone else. And I remember like, you okay, bro? Because I felt like I was a method actor. Yeah, I was with the actor. You met the actor. I was on a set with the grip the whole time. You was ready. For those that don't know what a method actor is, there's a person who stays in character, the whole time. Yeah. They go on the set. They're not great characters. They tell you if his name was Matt Choi, they say, you got to call him Matt Choi. Call me the character. You got to call him the character. Call me the character. A method actor is for those that don't know. And so now, you read the movie, did it? It comes out. Yeah. What is the reaction besides these guys on Twitter? Like, is this like... I mean, your people gonna let you see my part coming. Like, oh! Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead, man. Yeah, yeah. My mom's ready to make you rest in peace. You're sitting right next to me. She's like, oh my God, my son is in a fucking movie. Even though it's just ultra-violent. You know what I mean? You know your mom's gonna root for you regardless. I brought my mom to the movie theater when I was smashing in the movie. I forgot. Jesus Christ, miss. I was mad. I was mad on the couple. Was that Stay Proud? Stay Proud, yeah. I was like, I forgot. I got to the sport. And I'm looking at my mom's like, what the fuck? Come on, man. Come on, Bobby. I read the whole movie to the same way. So, I know we spoke about it earlier with the acting, but is that something that, and I know you said you like producing more. Yeah, yeah. But is that something you would like to pursue acting or? They want to produce. Yeah, yeah. We know about the priest. We know about you with the priest. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely, right? Because I want to step outside of what... You as a priest. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You step outside of what people think they generally know about me. You know, this goon or like the gangster role. You know, the acting is like, it's a lot of work. And it takes up a lot of time. So, it's like, I want to be involved with the think tank. Let's figure out this movie. Let's go. Let's sit down. Let's write it out. Let's figure out how to produce it. Let's figure out how to get it funded. I'm more or less in that space than it is to me just pursuing acting, me getting to Asian and just going, you know, reading for roles. I don't want to just do that. Okay. I'm Asian. Something you said, Asian. I thought you were Asian. You're going to get an Asian for that? No, no, no. I want to get Asian for that. Definitely not for that. Asian. Didn't you have a show called Star Tenders or Bart? I did a documentary. Like a porn film? It's like about the bartender. You got something against porn? No, no, no. It's like about the bartender. No, no, no. That's the real question. You don't like porn? No. Okay, good. We've been to the porn capital of the world. All right, cool. Miami. Yeah, they blocked you porn. Everybody here worked for a porn company at one point in the world. At least for only fans. Yeah, yeah. So, the documentary? No, so I did a documentary. It's called, you know, the The New York City. A dial out of time. A dial out of time. And it's about the strip club culture in New York City or how people come to the strip clubs in New York City. They ain't coming to see the dance. They come to see the bartender. That's that's that's all those secrets though. Yeah, yeah. So it was about that. I'll show you the trailer. Yes. It's about how, like I produced that. Okay. Shout out to my man, J. J. Rodriguez because he's, you know, mastermind that with me. People come to the strip club in New York to see the popping star tender or bartender or whatever. Our city is a little bit different. They not coming really so much for the dancers. It's about that lit bartender. What makes her lit though? Her following. I'm saying is it the drinks? Is it her looks? No, no, no, no, it's her. It's hers. It's hers. You got lit bartenders in New York City. That people, it's like they have a certain aura about themselves. That's crazy. That people, yeah, this is a real thing. Right. It's a real thing. When you think about Starlet's, Starlet's is a, is a, is a pretty well known strip club worldwide. You got, you got people that come to Starlet's from across the world. They come to New York and they say, oh, we want to see Tom Square. And you know what else we want to see Starlet's. Damn. And you, you know what made Starlet's pop? Man, it's not the, not the dancer. It was always the bartender. It was always and only about the bartenders when it came to that. So that was what the documentary was about. It's about that culture. It's different in Miami. Don't give a fuck about bartenders. Of course, of course, but it's New York. They go straight to the ass shaking. They go, no way else, no way else on this planet is a bartender that revered. Wow. I didn't notice that. No, well, that is, that is strictly and specifically a New York thing. I wonder how that employment works. Like how they trade off those contracts. Oh, look at bag girls. Yeah, that was, I shot that in Detroit. Let me see. The bag girls. Yeah. So who are. Who got the better strip clubs? Miami or New York? With, with, with that information, you just like Miami, you're seeing pussy. Like, really? I wasn't ready. Like you. Why'd you get shot away from it? He said no, no. I forgot that part. He is dead. Like you seen him like it's it's real. You can't really compare it. I think. I think that's why the bartenders are more famous. We got a bartender down here too. Bro. What y'all talking about? I'm not sure. I think the New York thing. I think the New York thing. I think it's the mystique of them. I think it's the law of them. I think it's the fantasy of them because you see them on Instagram. Of the bartenders. You think you think of like a bird in these burgos. You heard of her? Yeah. She's just make, she's just make like a million almost a year. Where she come from? She come from Starlet's. Damn, I ain't know that. That's how you know her. Yeah. She, she created a brand that started in Starlet's and then she was smart enough to build on that brand, but she worked in Starlet's for like, I think two years and made a name for herself. That's how popular these girls get. Wow. In New York City. Strip club bartenders. So what else? Alright, so a person coming to New York. So I'm just saying they kind of like strippers too in a sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I mean. They build like strippers. They look like strippers. That's what I mean. Yeah. So if a person just coming to New York and they want to have a good time, what strip clubs are they, are they frequent? Starlet's, we already know that. We already know Starlet's, but the quietly the best strip club in New York. Is Suzy's rendezvous still open? No, damn. You gotta come home. My bad. You gotta come home. Suzy's ain't been around for 15 years. Yeah, my bad. What the hell? I've been out of the game for a long time. Check this out. River Yarrows. River Yarrows. It's quietly been the best strip club this whole time. They don't do no promotions. They don't do no artists. They don't give a fuck who you is. You ain't coming. You gotta take your hat off. Quietly. They've been the best. And it's late night. It probably don't close about nine o'clock in the morning. Queens. Of course it's Queens. I wanted you to say that. Yeah, every day. Steinway, baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to the Steinway. I wanted to say, you know, all the strip clubs in Queens, man. I don't know how we were getting this strip club. Yeah, it's all the Steinway, definitely. So, okay. River Yarrows. Yeah. Listen, the name of the top five. We got Starlet's. Yeah. River Yarrows. I mean, three more. Sugar Daddy's. I ain't been to Sugar Daddy. I don't know what that is. Where's that at? Queens. Everything's Queens. Wow. That's the maker, right? No. No, where's that? The Steinway too? That's all in, like, everything is in an L-I-C, a story area. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't been to that one. No, you know what I mean? Everything is kind of like in that area. Okay. You know? And what else? I want to say dream. Okay, dream. Some Queens boulevard. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Perfection. Perfection. What you want your niggas to say that? Yeah. Which one? You said perfection? Perfection ain't been my nigga. Yeah. Perfection? Damn, man. Niggas is not in the loop. Your niggas ain't been in New York. What, the 80s? Your niggas ain't been in New York since the 80s. I see that. This is crazy, man. Yeah, just. Miami Living is good. Yes. What was that strip club that was next to the block, Mike Booth? Golden Lady. Golden, no, not Golden Lady. Golden Lady. I went to Golden Lady with K-Slay. Yeah, that was good. And he was on a 110 deep record. We got to talk about that. But no, I'm talking about. I was wondering about that. On the same block. It was on a, like, not, since city. They asked them, looking for. I'm out of the loops since city. The Bronx used to be the king of the strip clubs when I was a boss. And like, that's where Seuss was. Seuss was up there. Like, yeah. Yeah. But that was a different time. That was before the influence of the South. Okay. And with the influence of the South, but the music, the culture changed. So the strip clubs that we got now is not like those. Okay. It's different. Even though we have our own version of it, it's not like that. It's not like Golden Lady or since city and that. It's like bartender driven. Right. You know, it's heavy, you know, heavy BBL. Right. And it's, you know, it's heavy Queens. That means BBL means like buttlifts. You know what fucking BBL is. Come on. Stop this game. What's that? No, no. Come on. Let's take a shot. Take a shot. Take a shot. I'm gonna take a shot. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Not to kill her. Let's talk about you drinking to kill her. Are you a to kill a drink? Is that your go to drink? Like you going to starless? It's that night of Riviera. You going to order to kill her? Because to kill us, they say to kill you. Yeah. I just, I think to kill is the hot drink. Yeah. It's very healthy. So you know, yeah, I feel like it's the hot drink is everybody is doing it. Like you on 1942, Don Julio, Revisado, class is like it's the thing to do. I think it's, it's, it's like a fad. It's, it's cool. Uh-huh. You know. So yeah. It's 100% agave. That's what they be saying. I don't know why. Yeah. They say it's agave. Is that, is that what you know? I didn't know it had health benefits. Yeah. Well, well, no, no, no. I drink it straight though. Okay. Yeah. I don't know. Chaser. Yeah. So they say, no alcohol is good, but the clean, the clean, cleanest alcohol is tequila. Really? Yes. Oh, I thought it was vodka. No, no. Vodka is number three. They said that they used to say that. I believe it's, I believe red wine. Really? So I can have this. The number one is tequila. That's what they always show about this. Yeah. I'm a professional. No, that's the new fact. Yeah. You know how it may be changed. It be changed. I heard about our rocker before. No, vodka is like number three. Trust me. That was my job. Vodka was back in the day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So you're not on that organic shit. Organic what? Like organic. Like it's people who be like, I'm organic. Just like that too. Organic liquor? Yeah. You don't know that to this group. I didn't even know. I didn't even heard of that. That's Miami shit. Even though. No, I'm not. I went to LA recently. Dan, who the hell was with me? Shit. They had a whole, what? They had a whole side of a place we went to with no alcohol. You said. Oh, my God. You was coming at me when I said that. No, because they wasn't calling that my job. That's what it's called. Okay. No, no, no. What's your drink of choice? Mine? Yeah. Right now I'm on that wine Julio. Wine Julio? Wine Julio. Wine Julio. Wine Julio. Wine Julio. But I'm a Habiki drinker. Habiki, what's that? Yeah. That's the Japanese whiskey. It's for the, you know. Yeah. If you want more hair on your chest. Right. This is what we go with, right? Got it. But then, and I like champagne, Champagne. Champagne, you know, ace of spades is the best. Yeah. You know, it's a case we didn't get to that. Okay. You know, we drink ace of spades overhead. I bet you do. The best Champagne in the world. Champagne. Who is your favorite new artist? New artist. I like, who's a new artist right now? We got a bunch of them in there. What's my man, Casco Bain? Casco Bain. Who else? Who? Is little shimmy still new? Okay. Who else? Yeah, it changes every day, man. Right. What's considered new? Has he been in the game a year or less? A year, I would say. Yeah. Or maybe late. Yeah. I'm not trusting my sake. Nobody said that. Nobody gave permission for that. You think I... You did? Yeah. That was talking wine, brother. Nah, I'm good. I'm good. Go ahead. I don't know. I like, I fuck with the music that I just like. I'm a big young blue fan. And every time I say that, people will be like, what? I love young blue. Young blue? Yeah. Yeah, young blue. I got a track with this nigga, right? I called him... Yeah, I just called him blue, yeah. You didn't know his fucking name? Yeah, no, I just... Let's do a shot to that, though. Let's do a shot. Let's do a shot. You don't know that. And we love young blue. He killed it, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was crazy, though. Cheers. Okay. God comes down on earth. Bingo. He goes, see you. And he say, Meno, you get to make one track. And you get any feature in the world. And you get any producer in the world to produce that beat. Who is Meno? And this is a two-part question. Dead or alive. Because we know you're gonna go big. Because it's from Brooklyn. Is he the dead? So you could do one dead and then one alive. This is gonna get one dead. Yeah, yeah. Shit, no, really. You gotta stop with these fucking questions. You gotta, yeah, you gotta two-part question. So it's two-part. One is you can go with the dead and then the other is the alive feature. If I go dead, then I need Pac-A and Big. Damn, I never heard nobody say that. That was a slick one. I'm gonna take a shot for that. Let's do that. You got me on that one. There are people who are alive. And the producer. And who's producing the Pac-A and Big record? And the producer could be dead, too. I'm sorry. You just changed it all the fucking. No, they ain't that many dead producers. Yeah, it is. No, it ain't. Producers don't die. Not hip-hop. Not hip-hop, what? Don't die, you right? Producers don't die. Damn. And if they do die, it's not by gun violence. Yeah, they are immortal. You all right? Yeah, they live for... All right, so who's producing that? Just Blaze. I like that answer. All right, now, a live feature. A live feature. But this is one a little bit different. God is asking you saying, okay, a live, alive, but he's saying this record is gonna change humanity. Jesus Christ. Humanity? Yeah. This is gonna change humanity. Throw it up there. A lot of these shoulders right now. Turn humanity into what? To the... We already fucked up. Yeah, go to the better place. To a better place. Bruno Mars. Ooh, that's the feature? Yeah. Now, who produces that? Damn, who produces that? They gotta be like, what's his name? Dr.... Who? Not Doc. That would be a good one. Quincy Jones, man. But he can't be leading the witness, man. Quincy Jones left us. Where he rests in peace. Oh, yeah. So these people, that's alive. Yeah. Yeah. Ooh. Pharrell? Pharrell. Pharrell would be good. Pharrell would be good. That's what I thought. I like Pharrell. I like Pharrell and Bruno Mars. I like that. Out the box. I like that one. Out the box. I like that one. Have you ever worked with Pharrell? Never. Okay. Unfortunately, I wasn't that lucky. Okay. Not that fortunate. Yeah, no, no, it would happen. Nah, I hope so. Praise the heavens. So one night I hear Nas is hanging out. He went to Havoc party. And I hear that you see Nas. Yeah. And you say, I apologize for my brother Jim Jones. No, no. And everyone laughed. It was recent too. Everyone laughed. No, it was like, yeah, I got something for your man Jones. Oh, he said that? Yeah. Okay. And then we laughed and he was like, I'm just fucking with you. It's all good. You know, Nas is a good sport. Like he get it. It's all love, you know what I mean? But what happened was I told Nas, I said, listen, a really close friend of mine is in love with you. Like this female who she was, Oh shit, I knew what is going on. No, no, no, she was, you know, shout out to Rose. She is in love with Nas. And she met Nas before, but she was just too afraid to tell him how she felt. So she always bugging me about, Hey man, could you introduce me to Nas? Like I just want Nas. I'm like, Nas don't want you. Right. How bad? Right. But then it's like, I'm, why would I say that? That's bad for me to do. Blocking her blessings. I'm blocking her blessings. So one day she, she called me and talking this nonsense. And she says, I really want to speak to him. I said, yo, I'm going to put you on the phone with Nas. And after this, don't fucking ask me for shit. Okay. So one day she called me and I like, yo, I got Nas on the line. Okay. She like, for real? Like for real. I say, yeah, for real. She don't know that I called my homie and was like, listen, I need you to play like now. I said, I said, I need you to act like Nas. Okay. Just, just, you know, say some shit that Nas would say, like, you know, my black queen, like, you know, You can say my black queen. Just say some shit that didn't, you know, forgive me. Say, you know, that Nas is a knowledge of God. Like, you know, he's just Nas and it, you know, he said, all right, I got it. And he didn't get the assignment the right way. Who you homie? My homeboy. Okay. He gets on the phone and the first thing he says is what? My black queen. My black queen. He said, yeah, my black queen. My black queen. Yeah. Man don't tell me because I jumped on the line. You're Nas. Remember, I was telling you about my girl Rosé. I was telling you that she, she in love with you. She's just afraid of you. Nigga, she don't know what to say to you. And he's just, he get on the lines. Yeah, my black queen, my black queen, my black queen. He's supposed to be like, yeah. That's how he's going to start to come. So after he said my black queen about 16 times, right? She caught on? Right. No, she, she was just like, hey, like, hey, like, he was like, yeah, you know, I ain't got that much time and she's like that. But you know, I'm going to get your number from Maino. Oh wow. She been waiting for him to call. I was going to get your number from Maino and you know what I mean? And it's, you know, so long my black queen and she's just like, okay, I'm going, I say, yeah, I'm going to give you a number, man. Like for real, just, you know, give a call every now and then, you know what I mean? Whatever he hangs up. I'm going to play this shit for you. Okay. Right. Because I haven't recorded it. Okay. You know, she calls me back and was like, you know, I recorded that. That wasn't Nas. I said, the fucking was you. That was fucking Nas. When I seen Nas that day, I told him. Right. I said, listen, I don't be mad at me. It was a short version. I said, listen, I, I, I set somebody up and I played like it was you. He said, yo, you crazy. You out your fucking mind. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like to this day, I've never admitted that it wasn't Nas. Make some noise for this shit. You should. Man, some nice. Well, fuck that. You're such a mess up. Let me, so let me ask. I think I know the answer, but I'm just going to ask because I can see people in the comment session saying something. What's the difference between you hanging with Nas? If you wouldn't hang with Max. Good question. One is considered to be a real, a real problem. Oh yeah. And one is just some competitive viral. I feel how I feel because I feel like I'm that, that I'm that, that I'm that nigga. You know what I'm saying? You think, you know, Jim Jones seeing Nas is not a problem. Yeah. The funniest thing I got in trouble because of Jim Jones. I should have called Jim because I got in the breakfast club and I was like, yo, I see where Jim is coming from. And the whole Queens bridge was like, yo, what do you think he better than Nas? That's not what I said. I just said, I see where he's coming from. Like, I just say he's better than Nas, but I see like that confidence. Sometimes you got to wake up in the morning and feel like that person to be that person. So when I tell you, boy, oh my God, I got to Queens Bridge trouble, bro. I was like, I was in punishment for a week. Nas is a rap god. Yes. He's one of our rap god. He laughed, but he was laughing. Yes, yes, he laughed it off. He like, yo, you know, I got something for your man, John. You know what I mean? It ain't nothing. It's all love, right? So the competitive nature of hip hop, right? For a nigga like Jim, he popping his shit. He feel like he's the most improved nigga rapping. He's doing what he do, right? Is it really a disrespect? No. But for the fans, they like, how dare you? Right, right, right, right. How dare you rap Nas as a rap god? You could never compare. But at the end of the day, he understand our rhythm. He's saying some shit that's going to have everybody talking. And it worked. When do you think it turns into disrespect? Like what makes it? It didn't. I love that. I'm not asking about that. Okay, okay. I'm asking in general. Well, he asked me about the difference between the Nas situation and the Max B situation. And the Max B situation, there's a situation where there was a real discrepancy, you know, I mean, who am I to say what's serious and what is not? I'm from the thought of if nobody got dropped, nobody got shot, nobody got hurt, then it ain't really that serious. But that's just who I am. I can't project that on somebody else because a certain level of disrespect could be that serious. It could be lifetime serious, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, I think that's what the difference is, you know? I felt like I was watching y'all show once and you had asked Jim and I believe Jim was like, no, and I believe you. I never, I never spoke about it again. No, we have. Okay, off there. Yeah. Okay, okay. Yeah. Again, this is something that I wish like, you know, hip hop certain things we get over. We, we, I wrote him a long text one day. Okay. Like talking about because I felt like you were trying to fix it. Do, do, do, do. And this is me just spitballing because I don't, I don't know, right? Like I said, man, Jim is my man. I love Jim Jones, man. Like, you know, I got to see him in the beginning and I also got to see Cameron. But let's speak about do you think that him and Max, what do you think could be fixed more him and Max or him and can personally wish we, we could get to a space that we all sitting in the room together. That's fire. Yeah. That's what I personally wish. Like I wrote him a long text one day. Jim. Yeah. Right. It was just on my mind. Right. Just as a, because I'm, you know, I'm a nigga that understands what it is to have a lifetime problems with niggas. It's just certain niggas that I could never fix it with. But from my perspective, I was like, you know, is this something that could be, you know, and I sent them a text and I, and I, and I expressed to him how I felt. Right. And at the same time, I was just like, yo, if, if I'm, if I'm stepping over boundaries, just understand that this is as a brother, this is just how I feel. Like you're trying to do the right thing. Right. And, you know, I just basically like, yo, you know, this is something that I feel like will look better if we all kind of embrace them, you know, a different level of maturity. You know what I'm saying? He, he let me know like, yo, this is, I respect where you coming from. Right. And I love you my niggas, the brother, but this is something else for me. And I got to respect that. Because there was rumors at one point when Max came home that there was going to be an interview with Max and Jim. Right. Just them two? I believe on Jim's show. Really? Artists, right? I never heard that. It's a rumor I heard. I heard it on camera guys that I know. I think that that would be dope. I think that that would be awesome. I think that that would be. And just them two that. I've been like some overshad. Like just, yeah. It don't need nobody else. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? Because I know Max. I had a relationship with Max. You knew Max before? I actually knew Max. Because I see him shot you out. Right. It was like. I knew Max when he first came home, right? When he first came home, he used to come to Brooklyn. He used to come, you know, my man GQ beat studio. The first time, not now. The first time. Right. So what happened was he was coming home. He was coming to Brooklyn. You know, one of my homies had knew him from prison. Be sure you said? No, one of my homies. Okay. Had knew him from prison. Okay. I knew Max's brother. Uh huh. You know, Mike Murdoch. We was in the fall building together and the cat sack and all that together. Right. Right. When Max came home, my man was like, yo, my little man just came home. He nice. And they Max be in all. He from Harlem. Max used to actually come from Harlem to Brooklyn to record in studio that we was all working in. You see what I'm saying? He's the scream hustle hard and all that, like, you know, but their relationship was more defined than I was just meeting them. Right. They had the relationship. Um, so there was always respect between us. Right. But our relationship was never in the space of me and the Jim Jones. It was, it never got to that. You see what I'm saying? So me, me feeling how I felt as far as definitely don't have an issue with Max me. I don't have that. No, no, I don't have no issue with him at all. But I was just saying that as a friend and we talked about that earlier and we getting money together. We got business together. Our families know each other. I just wanted to respect that in that, in that moment. Because, um, sometimes, you know, us, us both man living in this industry. Sometimes there's real beef and then sometimes there's rap beef and then sometimes there's just like in between. Right. Like we got to like have those measures. Um, when do you think a beef goes too far? I'm not talking about Jim and Max or Jim and Cam. I'm talking about for you, when you think a line is drawn, you've been, you know what I mean? I feel like when certain things are said that we just can't take back, it's certain people that I just can never, you know, without naming the people who can give me an example or what that looks like, you don't have to name it. Um, when, when you make me feel like when I see you, I need to, I need to get with you. Then you know, but you got to understand everything that happens on the internet is not made for, for, for a violent outcome. Like I ran into Troye F. He was at a fight. I was at the fight. I seen him. He had his baby in his hand. Vegas, right? Did you see the footage? Yes, I did. I didn't want no smoke. All right. That's the real. I don't want no smoke. That's the real. And we got to understand what real beef is and what like having a discrepancy is. Me and him had a, what I felt like is a discrepancy. I'm not looking for you, my nigga. In fact, I don't even, I'm trying to find a way to, to say this without feeling like it's disrespectful. If I'm beefing with a nigga and I see how far he willing to take it, I don't want no smoke with him. If I'm beefing with a nigga, any nigga, and I understand that he's willing to get on the stand and point on a nigga and demonstrate on a nigga, he's a stronger man than me. I don't want to smoke with him because where we come from, if we call a nigga a rat, either we're going to do what? We can only do two things with him. Either you want to do something about him or you're going to leave him alone. So in that instance, I don't want no smoke with you, brother. Live your life. You got a beautiful family. Do your thing. What? Sonny D going in. Let me be devil's advocate a little bit. And then P Long. Think about the gunner situation. What about it? Do you think that was like crossing the line when he went on the stand and said, oh yeah, I think gunner, I think gunner, and I don't know. But I think gunner actually felt like he was tricked. I think he was told, I think he was told, hey, this is not ratting. You're not telling on nobody. You just got to admit to these things and they're going to give you a plea and you're going to go home to your family. I think that he thought that he was doing the right thing. I don't think that he had the intentions of telling. That's what I think that he thought. I don't know. That's what I believe. He didn't understand that what he was saying was in 100 percent contradiction of what the defense is saying. We saying we are rat labor. We not a gang. You was told to say that it is a gang. And as you witness crime, you was a part of it as well. So that's the issue. The line was wrong. But the thing is this, intent is very, very, very important when you come, when you understand what snitching is. Explain that, please. If I get caught with two or three guns and to get out of my sentence or to get out of the prosecution's way, I go and say, yo, Noree did this. No, the master can'ts. Use the master can. Use the master can. You use the master can. You use the master can. You use me one time. You use anybody that did it with Noree. If I intentionally understandably say, yo, it was the master, not Noree, the master that did it. Whatever. Because I'm trying to get out of what happened to me. I got caught with two or three guns. I'm trying to get out of that. So I don't want to deal with that. I don't want what comes with that. So I'm trying to find an easy way out. So that intent is possible. That intent is what it is. So in a case with a gunner, I don't know if his intent was the same. You see what I'm saying? If somebody did something and that she was around and the police could ask you, yo, who was there? You say, yeah, it was me and monster. We was together. They used that to incriminate the other person. Are you really telling? You could be like, I wasn't intended to tell them. They just asked me who was there. And then I was saying that it was me and monster. You see what I'm saying? Something that might have been obvious. So intent is definitely important. Do the streets understand and say, no. It's hard to even figure that out? People don't understand intent. People don't understand intent. I think once you get to a level of maturity, you understand intent because the thing is we ain't supposed to be talking regardless. It always going to come back to that. You ain't supposed to be saying nothing. So there's no room for no slip ups when you ain't going to say nothing. But in his case, I just think that I don't know if he was intended on doing that. It came out bad. And then we heard what Thog had to say about it. And it is what it is, I guess. I want to ask you too, because now we also have footage of young Thog. They say it's AI. We don't know. It's not AI. It's not AI. I don't think nobody said that. Oh, I thought someone did say it. Nobody said that, Nari. Okay, we're actually not. Nobody said that. Nobody said it. Nobody said it. About the young Thog footage, right? About him in the precinct. Right. So what people are saying is that he was throwing the police off. I think, and again, like I just said, I felt like Gunner felt like he was tricked into that. On the flip side, I feel like Thog thought that he was finessing. I feel like he thought that he was in there finessing them. Yeah, Shawty, give me your number, man. Like, you know what I mean? You want to know something? I felt like that was what his mentality was. I don't know. I could be wrong. But I think that looking at what he was saying and looking at what he said after that and what was going on and the fact that he didn't actually specifically tell on somebody, I think that he thought that he had the answers. But the issue is this, though, ain't no finessing the police, man. They don't finessing the law. We think we could do that. It's always going to come back and bite us. Every time. Years ago, right? There was something that was said probably by all of us. And we were trying to explain to people like the rap game made me the most dangerous job on the planet, right? And I'm not, there's no disrespect to like military workers or whatever. But most of the time, we don't know how our enemies look. No, because the more people know who you are, then you know them, then you had a disadvantage. Yeah. You understand? Do you feel like rapping is one of the most dangerous jobs? Yes. Yeah, I do too. Listen, I talked about being in the day room looking at you, looking at Cam, looking at Hove, looking at all these artists coming out of the city and saying, damn, I want to do that. Because what it looked like for me was that rap was a way out. I'm coming from violence. I'm coming from the street. I'm coming from prison. I'm coming from having a plethora of enemies. I want to get out of this. I'm thinking, as soon as I get into the rap game, we made it. Nah, I thought wrong. In fact, getting into the game kind of intensifies that it kind of magnifies that in a negative way because now you're more of a target. You're more of a symbol of hope that sometimes people just can't get out their own way so they hate you more. You're a mark. Fuck, all these rappers is dying. I ain't think you could die once you become a rapper. I thought that insulated you. This is what I was listening. Good point. 1997 somewhere. War report. Hove. Nars. Listening to this shit. I'm thinking this is where I want to do this. Because this is going to allow me to escape this shit. We never thought that niggas was really going to be dying and all this escalated. It's totally different. I didn't think rappers could die. It was crazy. I remember at the time, I used to, if I ever got pulled over and I said I was a rapper, the police would just let me go. Right now, if I get pulled over, I want to say I'm a drug dealer. I don't want to say I'm a rapper. It's worse. You got to say you're an American citizen. I'm not playing. Being a rapper is not special no more. It's not. It's not. Being famous is not special no more. Being famous can still have, depending on your level of fame, is this you? You ain't checking me out? I didn't know that. That was famous, man. This is real fame right here. That was mad funny. It's in CBS right now, guys. Go up there and pick up your own box. CBS right now. I'm about to go buy it and not use it. Available, yeah. Buy it and not use it. Okay. Being a rapper is not as prestigious and special as it used to be because being a rapper felt like there was a rite to passage. It was a level of getting it. Only the best had record deals and only the best was on BET and MTV. Only those special ones. Now it's like everybody could be it. You don't think that's your own house. But wait, wait. Your own house. You don't think that's the magic word, the best? I feel like the best has dwindled down to you don't have to be good at all. You don't have to be anything because the technology has allowed us to allow anybody to be a rapper or be an artist. To enter the game. Right. So it's like, okay, Pro Tools. We can set Pro Tools up anywhere. Bathroom, hotel, bus, car, anywhere. We can set up Pro Tools. Or Fruity Loops. Fruity Loops, all that. You can do a whole recording on your phone right now. Yeah. Anywhere. You can record. Right. Because the technology allowed us to do that. So now. So now because of that, anybody can just be an artist. Music is the only sport where you can just be it. You got to go to school to be a lawyer. Yeah, that's real. You got to go through training in amateurs to be a professional boxer. You can't just be a professional fucking baseball player or basketball player. You can't just be it. Music, you can just be it. Rapper, you can just be it. Music and rapper, but I think we should be different in hip hop. Maybe that's not even me. No, it's, but that's not. But that's not for that though, because anybody can just do it. It doesn't matter. You know how many girls I've seen that started to garner a certain level of Instagram notoriety turn around and say to me, I'm going to be a rapper. I'm going to make a racket because it's like still rap still comes with a certain level of coolness. Right. And you I'm like, yo, you just, it don't work like that. You just like it's it's dudes. You got to pay. It's a standard that you got to sit on top of. But no, you don't. You don't have to reach a certain level of a standard. You don't have to reach to a certain level of capability. You don't have to get to these places, you know, because before it was like, if you get a record, a record deal, you don't need a record deal. You get a major record deal. You was like, look that as wow, this nigga signed a Sony. He signed a Def Jam. He signed to automatic uplift. He signed automatically just by having that because that show you could have been the wackest person in the world. You got to deal. That means you automatically you got to be something for somebody to do that. Now it's not that anybody can do it. Anybody. So because it's now it's like, I don't even want to be called a rapper. It's like, don't call it like it's just not disposable music. It's all watered down. If anything, labels don't feel the same. The listener is not the same. The genre, the energy, the culture is not the same. Right. It's just not special. It's just like everybody is a rapper now. How many times we've been somewhere, we've been some places and you were like, yo, you don't know who that is. I'm like, no, I don't know who the fuck that is. Well, that's such and such. You a rapper? I didn't. But we shouldn't accept them as rappers. I'm saying like, everybody can't be a rapper. They can all be rappers, but should not be accepted as MCs. What's the measurement? And the same thing with DJs. Absolutely. There's a lot of DJs. They DJ off their iPhone. Before y'all try me. I'll be calling them DJs. This is why I think what Nas and Massapeal is doing is super important. I love what they're doing. Because they're paying homage to the culture of it. Understood. So, but that's they can't. And it also makes business sense too as well. It does make business sense. I get it. Because we're all being nostalgic saying this shit was dope back then. This is why we like it now. What's the standard? And you got that building fan base. Okay, I'm sorry. When you say that they, we shouldn't accept them as rappers. So what's the standard? I mean, you're asking me to make the standard? Yes, what's the standard? At least they make a sentence that rhymes. It's many people that can make a sentence. I mean, I'm just saying. That can't be the standard because that's the bars loading. Like look, let's talk about MCing historically. Like let's go back to Cold Crush and how it keeps going up. No, that's too far. No, no, no, no, I'm going to bring you up. I'm going to bring you up to date. Yeah. Let's go ice cube. Let's go NWL. Let's go public enemy. Let's go Nas. As it keeps going up, it gets more lyrical, more intelligent. How the fuck does it go down this way? Yeah. How do we go from down here, up here and then slope down? That doesn't make sense, man. But listen, that's devolution. So I'm asking you this though. Because any person with, you know, mind and body should be able to be able to make a sentence rhyme. What would be in your mind, what would be the standard that people would have to live up to? To be able to say I'm a rapper. No, MC or rapper? Well, no, to be an MC is one thing. To be a rapper, anybody could be a rapper. Anybody could be a rapper. Anybody could be a rapper. To be an MC, then. To be an MC, you have to be prolific in your lyrics. It has to rhyme. It has to make sense. But who's at the gate making sure that... There is no gate. So the audience needs to be at the gate. No, it's not going to work that. No, that's the way it is. The audience don't care. No, but that's the problem. The audience is wanting a good time. When the audience stops caring, it's not just the audience's fault. I mean, it is the audience's fault. It is. Because people party. People like to party. They at a club and they understanding the texture of the music and the vinegar is like, cat, rat, bat, bat, bat, rat. And it be sound good and it survive and it's a bounce. But wait, we going with it. But let's go back. Go on, Lord, if I let you. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's go back to what you said about that. That was not the best miracle. Why I love that shit. The Trinidad Jays come on in the club. Hold on, hold on. Give a hold of this for one second. One second. Please don't back him. No, no, no. I want you to back him. Oh, yeah. I'm going to get it right after you. We got in a deep conversation. Damn. You fucking up my deep, deep thought right now, man. This is the deep thought. I was ready to go with the big club on you and I never did better in my life. I like this way. No, we were talking about the standard. The standard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what would be the standard of the MC? Like because the general public, the general public doesn't have that standard. Right. The average person is just looking for something that makes them feel like they're having a good time, especially when we talk about clubs. Right. So my point with the general public not having the standard was this. You yourself remembered, you said the label when you got signed, the label needed to put all this money to make this record a hit and do all this stuff. We all could agree. The record label doesn't give a fuck about hip hop. They give a fuck about profit. So they will make hits that doesn't necessarily benefit hip hop benefits their pockets benefits the corporate structure. So the hits that they're going to keep pushing are not going to be beneficial to hip hop growing, being smarter, be more prolific, be more social. So they're going to just keep pushing these hit records with all this money that eventually the whole audience today after the fact, they don't give a fuck. They don't give a fuck about MCs, rappers, hip hop, the elements of hip hop. It's all that doesn't matter. It's just a music. Give me a fucking hit record. I don't give a fuck as one leg up two leg up one my ears in my face. I'm this I'm that they don't give a fuck what it is. Just give me a catchy tune. And then the idea of hip hop that we all grew up on. That's it. I agree with that. I agree. I agree with the fact that nobody really cares. Right. And I think that's the problem. So so basically so that can't change then. I think it can. What? How old are that? I think it can change because no one cares. Because I think hip hop is still a unified group of people, even though we might have different intentions, different ideas, we all still identify under the banner of hip hop. But once it became corporate, it was out of our hands. But right now we've understood we've all understand that while we believe corporate is kind of out of the major labels, the corporate is still the social media companies are corporate. That's still another record. What happened in what hot 97 right now? What happened? They're saying that this bitch is a capitalist that's running that whole I don't need some of the same capitalism runs everything we do. Right. Absolutely. We are capitalist. I'm not mad at being a capitalist. I'm not mad at that neither. But I don't think it can change back. No. You're right. Raw hip hop. It's a raw. Not the raw hip hop. You can never go because this is the idea of the timeframe that it was in. Just that standard of what we felt like hip hop was. I don't feel like it could change back to that though. You know what I'm saying? I don't think that it could change back to what it used to be. I don't think it could change back, but I don't think we have to say because it can't change back, we can't keep the essence of it. Yeah. Who's going to keep it? We were right here and drink champs alone are trying to keep the hip hop. Your shot that you're in champs keeping the essence alive. But you do understand that 2.33 in the morning in a club in any various city of your choice. Right. Alcohol, drugs, music. Absolutely. I'm from my entire culture. Yeah. Nobody's thinking about keeping the essence of hip hop. But you do understand that not everybody lives at 2.30 in the morning on drugs and alcohol in a club. Absolutely. In a mix of liquor. You know what? Come on. You know what? Sometimes we forget that. I ain't going to lie. That's the one thing. Thank you for pointing that. That's the one thing I love about OG's. Like when you see Kane, if you follow Kane. I saw Kane the other day. Yeah. Yeah. Kane stays on the road. Yes. Absolutely. When I see that shit, I see like, you know, um, you know, you know, you know, you know, Jazzy, jab, all these people staying on the road. And it's like, yo, you know, we just had Jazzy Jeff kill Crazy Hood Day. Like he killed it. Yeah. He shot a death. Yeah. I love that. I love the scene. He was a packed house. You know, hip hop is the only genre of music that people kind of shame you for getting older. Yeah, for getting older. Like why? Nah, we got to change that. And I think, yeah, that too. I changed it with my wife here. That should be a part of the agenda. And rock and roll, you could talk for fucking 90. Absolutely. 100. Mick Meaghan is 9000 years old. 100%. Yeah. Come on. He's definitely from like, come on. Yeah. He's, he's, he's different. He's a bad boy. He's the only genre that, you know, you get to your 40s and plus, then it's like, oh, you, oh, nigga, you need a chair. And it's like, this shouldn't be that because every other music you can, it doesn't, it's no age ceiling. You can be whatever. Yep. Right. Ozzy Osbourne went all the way to the, to the end, to death. Death and he had fans. Touring though. He had a show. To the death. To the death. And as an artist, this is not a physical sport, right? You understand like basketball. You can't blow out. You're bad. You're angry. You know what I mean? You got bad ACL. It's as physical as we want it to be. Right. But it's not as mental as. You're an insane clown Posse. You got to be able to jump around on stage no more, but understanding that the music is still music. I'm going to cut you off. Did you see Kane do his last? I saw that. I talked to him about that. That's old footage though. That is old footage. That is old footage. It's just resurface. I'm going to go home. I'm going to go home. I asked him about that last, the other day. He got me. It's the AI. He fucked up the first one. He said it to do it again. Do it again. Do it again. Do it again. That's your, that's your. It's not. It's not. We should be doing this shit for the rest of our fucking life. If you want to. So they got this thing where they say, yo, so it was like, they got this thing where they be like, yo, these niggas a teen, you're citizens. Right? It's like, yeah, yeah. Tell me a little. I didn't heard this. It's kinda hard. Teen you're citizens. It started, it started as like a, I don't know. I guess niggas was trying to like go at Jim Jones and say, oh, he's a, he's a, he's a teen He's the youngest OG we know. Like, I don't think nothing wrong with that, right? Because age is about energy. We only hear one time, bro. We only hear one time that we know of, right? That we know of, right? That's what we know. Why not live to the fullest and you do what make you happy, my nigga? Like, if your perception is me, is a teen citizen, then let me live my life the way I want to live it. My nigga, let me live my days the way I fucking want to do it. Because guess what? It's people that you know... Is that the name of the album? No. That's a good name, though. It kind of is. It's kind of it. It's people in the wild. It's people that we both know and everybody here know that... that didn't have the chance to live the way they want to live. That's right. And do the things that they want to do. Right? We still here... with the blessings from... Ah, we're lucky. You know, from the universe, like... that we able to still be here, like... So if I want to still pull up to the club... Uh-huh. If I got on a sweat suit and jewels on, I'm not trying to be a little nigga. I'm not trying to be a Y-N, but I'm... This is hip-hop. I'm... It's the energy. I'm gonna... And you've been... You've always been. That's it. You're not being anybody different. You're being you who you've always been. People set these invisible boundaries and these standards on you... and say that when you get to a certain age, that you should be dressing a certain way or doing a certain thing, or you should just automatically turn into an old man. I don't believe in that. I don't believe... Why? Why? Why? Like... Should we stop wearing baseball hats? But yeah. They hate... Should we stop wearing Tim's? They hating on my hair. They be out there, I'll see them. They hate on your hair? I hate on my hair. The fact that you... Yeah. I got that too. Definitely. But y'all painted and the shit, huh? Right. You definitely painted. They're very different. I'll put a little paint. Little paint. Six, seven. Little paint for later. Yeah, I don't know paint. Little paint for later. Yeah, yeah. Six, seven. You know? But... I thought you know where father is. But he should be able to do what the fuck he wanna do. Yeah, exactly. Bottom line. Bottom line. He should be able to do what he wants to do. Take a sip of that. Let's do it. Yeah, definitely. I didn't plan out to be this drunk. Mm-hmm. Yeah. We planned out for you to be this drunk. You planned out. Okay, got it. Got it. We've been through it. I'm gonna just be honest with you, man. I'm very proud of you, man. I appreciate that. You need to do the thing. Continue to smile, man. Absolutely. Especially when you get new teeth. If you're paid for them. Right, god damn it. We can tell. Let's go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's go. But man, like, you know, everything you've been through, everything you... And to be here and just... To still be that guy, man. To still be holding it down and still be able to smile. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm gonna tell you something. As a person, I lived every form of rap game. I know how hard this shit is. Yeah. Like, even when we got the best of our best, that shit is still hard because we can never... It's not... We can never turn it in our uniform. No. The uniform is 24 hours. Because that's how people see you. That's how people see you. And you can never live that down. You can never live that down. So, you know, to continue to be successful, continue to be out there, continue to smile, continue to work, continue to do that. Like, I just want to let you know, like, we admire you, we respect you. And that's why we wanted to give you a flowers. No, I appreciate that. You did it really. I appreciate that. And especially, like, being a street person. So, like, when I, like, kind of, like, to, you know, me, I was researching you and I kept going back, like, six years ago. See how many people were, like, baiting you, like... What I mean by baiting you was, like, they're like, yo, man, it's known for this, it's known for this. So then what I did was I went and I pulled up... You on, like, white people's shows. Yeah. And I said, let's take a squire. Yeah. Because it's like, all right, cool. I've seen what, like, MV, like, maybe there's... That's my man. That's my man. Like, certainly, like, when I was watching your interviews, then I watched Vlad and I watched... And I was, you know, I'm trying to be official, you know what I'm saying? But when I see you and I'm like, yo, you know how to do that. Right. Think about, this is your gift, my brother, just in case you don't know. You know how to move in difference. 100%. Audiences. 100%. You know how to move in different hours. It's a gift, man. That's a real gift, bro. Yeah. Like, don't downplay that. No. Don't ever, like, acknowledge that. Like, I was watching you. Yeah. Like, because I wanted to do my job, but I'm like... I'm looking at it and I'm like, that's not something... Like, you have to teach that to yourself. Right. That comes from... Yeah, my bad. That's a false sense of learning, right? So it's like, I adapt to every room that I'm in. Right? No matter what room that I'm in, prison allowed us the time to, like, read things, study things, and stuff like that. So it's like, if I'm in a peaceful room, I'm peaceful. Right. If I'm in a room on some bullshit, then I'm with that too. Good. Right. If I'm on a room that's about progression, then that's what we're talking about. That's what we're on. Adaptation. Adaptation, right? Being able to adapt. That's the way you stay here. We ain't always going to be hot niggas. Niggas going to be like, oh, you washed up, you old nigga, you ain't who you used to be. But that don't define you. You still got to be able to turn those corners. So being able to adapt to the times, to be able to adapt to climate, to be able to adapt to the rooms that we in. Right. Nah, nigga, that's me. But I mean, that's not normal. Like, you a genius, man. Like, trust me, like, I was taking a jog this morning with my boy, Henry. And I was watching all your interviews, watching it all. And I was like, yo, this dude is mad smart. Like, and it made me mad that six years ago, people were, that's all they were saying, oh, you a street dude. You a dog dude. And I'm looking at your progress to where you at. I'm like, yo, man, you a smart dude, bro. Me being a street nigga is a footnote in my life, bro. That's a small part of my life. You know what I'm saying? That ain't going to be ever be something that I denied. That ain't ever going to be something that I'm ashamed of. Where I come from, what I come from, what I've been through, the issues that I had. Yeah. But that also helped define you. Yes. Right. Because what you've been through helped sharpen you in a certain way to make you who you are. Right. Whatever it's meant to be will be. So it's like, yeah, I've been through prisons. I've been through wars. I've been through I've been through extreme violent situations. Right. LL told me this. LL told me, say, yo, don't let your past failure is handcuffed. And I said, what you mean? He said, then you might drop a white album. It won't sell. But the fuck that keep going. Niggah act like you did. Niggah act like you just went platinum. Don't let your past failures. And that that that that's attributed to every angle of life. If you been in prison, you've been in the street. Like just because you started one way, don't the doesn't determine how you finish. So what we've been involved in this, that don't mean that we can't put our suits on and sit in these rooms and talk to these people about life and build on some progress. It don't mean that. It don't mean that at all. My nigga, you know. Man, I can't thank you enough, man. I thank you, man. Wanted to give you flowers, man. Thank you. Thank you for giving me my motherfucking flowers. I never had too many flowers. Yeah, come on. That's good. Good. Yeah. And I'm in a fog. I want to put you on something because I'm here. I'm down here for the weekend because a friend of mine just opened up a restaurant in Miami. And it is probably going to be the top restaurant in the city. Let's talk about it. It's called Nuval. Shout out to my people, Ebony Akira. Shout out to Rob. Shout out to Yandy because she's involved with that. It was Yandy, right? Yes. Big grand opening last night. And this is why I'm down here. We out here celebrating that. You see what I'm saying? Where is it at? It's in Wynwood. OK. So it's right here? It's right here. In the area. Right here. It's Nuval. I'm telling you, the food is good. You like, come on, I've been in dinner before. Let's go right now. I eat all I do. Yeah, we can do that. Absolutely. Right now. Let's go. We can absolutely do that. All right, go ahead. We can do that. All right. Hey, we can do that. Hey, you know, we can do that. Let's go. Yeah. Absolutely. My hair, red, mung. Yeah. Take a picture. Let's go. Let's go. Hey. All right, let's take a click and do some shout out. All right.