Would You Buy a Ferrari 12Cilindri for $680K?
60 min
•Feb 4, 20264 months agoSummary
Spike's Car Radio hosts discuss the Ferrari 12Cilindri ($680K), a naturally aspirated V12 grand tourer positioned between luxury and performance, comparing it to the Aston Martin Vanquish. The episode covers multiple Italian performance cars, autonomous vehicle safety concerns with Waymo incidents, and industry trends in sports car design and pricing.
Insights
- Modern luxury sports cars succeed by balancing dual personalities—effortless daily usability with track-capable performance—rather than committing fully to either extreme
- Autonomous vehicle companies' safety claims using hypothetical collision scenarios are methodologically flawed and ignore human anticipatory driving behavior in familiar contexts
- Mid-engine affordable sports cars (Toyota MR2, Lotus alternatives) represent a significant market opportunity as consumers reject $500K+ price points for specialized vehicles
- Aftermarket tuning companies (Guntherworks, CTR) are capturing demand for bespoke modifications at lower price points than full restorations, democratizing performance customization
- Small design innovations (fuel door indicators) have outsized impact on user satisfaction and vehicle perception, often overlooked in feature discussions
Trends
Naturally aspirated V12 engines experiencing resurgence as emotional counterpoint to turbocharged/electrified alternatives in luxury segmentPlug-in hybrid performance vehicles struggling with market positioning—consumers view them as compromises rather than solutionsAutonomous vehicle testing in urban environments generating safety concerns and regulatory scrutiny, particularly around child pedestrian incidentsBespoke vehicle customization market expanding as wealthy consumers seek differentiation beyond factory options at $100-150K price pointsMid-engine sports car segment revival targeting $60-80K price point with 400+ horsepower as accessible performance alternativeLuxury SUV market consolidation around shared platforms (Cayenne, Bentayga, Urus, Q8) with brand differentiation through tuning and exclusivityAftermarket exhaust modifications becoming expected purchase for performance cars, indicating factory sound tuning perceived as conservativeGold and precious metals gaining retail investor attention through subscription-based accumulation models targeting younger demographics
Topics
Ferrari 12Cilindri pricing and market positioningNaturally aspirated V12 engine performance characteristicsLuxury sports car dual-personality design philosophyAutonomous vehicle safety testing methodology and claimsWaymo incident analysis and pedestrian collision scenariosPlug-in hybrid performance vehicle market adoptionLamborghini Urus SE specifications and positioningToyota MR2 revival specifications and pricing expectationsAftermarket Ferrari tuning and customization (CTR, Guntherworks)Mid-engine sports car market segmentFuel door indicator design innovation impactAston Martin Vanquish vs Ferrari 12Cilindri comparisonPerformance transmission technology (Ferrari vs Porsche PDK)Vehicle value retention in luxury segmentAutonomous vehicle regulatory compliance and testing protocols
Companies
Ferrari
Primary editorial focus: 12Cilindri model review, pricing ($680K), performance specs, and comparison to competitors
Aston Martin
Vanquish model compared directly to Ferrari 12Cilindri on styling, performance, pricing, and value retention
Lamborghini
Urus SE plug-in hybrid SUV reviewed for performance, EV range (37 miles), and market positioning versus competitors
Toyota
New MR2 mid-engine sports car announced with 2L turbocharged engine, expected ~400 hp, targeting $60K price point
Lotus
Positioned as competitor to Toyota MR2 with criticism regarding non-proprietary engine sourcing and higher pricing
Porsche
PDK transmission referenced as industry benchmark for dual-clutch performance; Cayenne platform shared with Lamborghi...
Guntherworks
High-end Ferrari tuning company ($1M+ builds) referenced as inspiration for CTR's lower-cost modification approach
CTR (Classic Tuning Restoration)
New company offering $120K Ferrari 458 modifications as 'poor man's Guntherworks' with performance and aesthetic upgr...
Waymo
Autonomous vehicle company involved in two incidents: child pedestrian collision in Santa Monica and multi-car crash ...
Bentley
Bentayga SUV shares platform with Lamborghini Urus and Porsche Cayenne in luxury SUV segment
Audi
Q8 model shares platform with Lamborghini Urus, Porsche Cayenne, and Bentley Bentayga in luxury SUV architecture
Ford
James Moylan, Ford designer, invented fuel door indicator arrow that debuted on 1989 Escort/Tracer
Motor Trend
Referenced 2010 yellow Ferrari 458 press fleet vehicle that was modified with +100 hp tuning by engineer Marlon Goldberg
People
Johnny
Co-host discussing Ferrari 12Cilindri, Lamborghini Urus SE, and autonomous vehicle safety concerns
Zuckerman
Co-host providing technical analysis of vehicle performance, autonomous systems, and market positioning
Peter Nam
Founder of CTR Ferrari modification company; scheduled guest who had to cancel last-minute appearance
Marlon Goldberg
Former Ferrari press fleet engineer who modified 2010 yellow 458 with +100 hp tuning; owner of Workshop 50001
James Moylan
Ford designer who invented fuel door indicator arrow in 1986; passed away December 11, 2025
Mark Vaughn
Journalist who wrote tribute article about James Moylan's fuel door indicator innovation
Matt Farah
Referenced as having previously driven Ferrari 12Cilindri; hosts competing automotive content
Quotes
"This is the car like the DB12. If you get the diagnosis and you have a lot of money and you want to say, fuck it. I want to just blow out my next six months with cigars and I don't care what people think of me. Get it?"
Host discussing Ferrari 12Cilindri positioning•Early segment
"Effortlessly fast, effortlessly luxurious. The arrow on the 405. My hair wasn't being tussled by the air. It makes the perfect little sound."
Co-host describing 12Cilindri driving experience•Mid-segment
"Because it assumes that the human driver is going to fall into the same situation at the same point in time. Maybe the human driver sees up ahead. Oh, there's a school. I bet it's slow down."
Zuckerman critiquing Waymo's safety claims methodology•Waymo discussion
"I would take this comment and hang it around the waymo guy's neck like a stone weight and toss him off to the boat."
Zuckerman on Waymo's peer-review safety claim•Waymo analysis
"I got back to the office right away after the meeting without even taking my coat off, sat down, started writing the first draft of the proposal. I typed it up and turned it in and completely forgot about it."
James Moylan on fuel door indicator invention•Final segment
Full Transcript
We should really do the 20 questions with him. We're doing it right now. I mean, we started recording. This is ridiculous. If I'm catching up, everyone here. Just, just let me catch him up. Hold on. Johnny came in hungover and asked him the 20 questions. You asked someone who you know has a drinking problem to try to turn that light on in them. Right. Yeah. Johnny said, see, I only five of 26 of 20 and you pointed out any one yes. You might be. Mine do for sure. These two are coming from a place of if you if you ever look at a beer. Oh, yeah. Alcoholic. No, we're just coming from a place of we we showed up not hungover. Let me. It wasn't hungover. I looked up one. I looked up at you for and in a split second, I said, you had stakes and cocktails last night. Yeah. And you said, yes, how did you know? How did you know the steak part? I could just see that by the sludge. He had sludge. He is sludge. You said Matt, Matt Farron and I did split a 40 ounce Tomahawk. Oh my God. Yes, that's why I can tell you. What is it? I mean, the steak prices have gone up crazier than gold and silver. Yeah, we were. What is a 40 what is a 40 ounce Tomahawks? He doesn't care. We were paying. He's a very strong journalist. We were told to like enjoy ourselves. But I believe it was $275 for the steak. Wow. Yeah. Was this an automotive thing? No, this was a friend's going away party thing. Wow. To A. So you don't want to breathe. But just if I had, I had one old fashion and then I had three glasses of wine over a 8000 calorie dinner that lasted for two and a half hours. And I saw that your milk, your molecules were barely moving. Yeah, because I woke up at 4 a.m. and couldn't get back to sleep. Yeah, because of what you put in your stomach. Sure. OK, that's fine. But it like like you followed up. When's the last time you had a drink? And I couldn't even tell you. It's all right. We're here for you when you want to. You can tell me. You can tell me anything. I'll never. I'll never repeat it. Yeah, I will never repeat about the trial. It's between us. Child's book. And that's it. Us and the man. We're all here collectively. This voice card. Radio Nation, SCR Nation. We're here to help you. And none of us will say. What you hear here stays here. Right. And when you leave here, let it stay here. Yeah, whatever that is. Welcome to Spikes Car Radio. That was fun. My name is Johnny. And I'm going to put a plug. I'll tell you a funny story about that. You want to hear it? No. Let's talk about some of the cars we have here. Yeah. We've got a great show. We've got a lot of cars to cover here. This is exciting. We got Ferraris like crazy. Let's just get into one. Let's just get into one of the Ferraris. Done. And you brought a Lamborghini. And Zuckerman has his three series BMW. But right here behind me, it's not in the shot, though. It's in the two shot. Here, let's look at that. Oh, look, there it is. There it is. There it is. Chilindry. The Frenly, the Ferrari 12C. Dodeche, Chilindry. The 12 cylinder spider. Here is the car that I think Matt Farrah hadn't talked about on the show. Johnny, you had it last week. I had a green one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, so you didn't have this deal. Not this one. And I got to drive it. And I have to say it was very skeptical of this car just based on its looks. I didn't quite cotton to it at first until I drove it. And what I've learned about this is this is the car like the DB12. This is that car. If you're like, if you get the diagnosis and you have a lot of money and you want to say, fuck it. Yeah. I want to just blow out my next six months with cigars. And I don't care what people think of me. Get it? This is one of those cars like the DB12. That Nantucket doctor guy on the boat with the hookers and the mess. Yeah, this is his car. Yeah. 820 horsepower. Of course, it's based on your old car. So I can remember the Ferrari 365 GTB4 was the whole design idea. And you can kind of see that in the front of it. And also attribute to the open top GT cars of the 50s and the 60s. Two-seater red lines at 9500 RPM. Zero sixty two point eight seconds top speed to eleven. Shut up. Well, it's not for that much power. That's no. And let me tell you, you know, I know when I talked about this car with Farah, I was like, I don't understand who would buy this car. You know, Zuckerman, you would be a buyer for this. This car is so like I keep saying effortless is the feeling of it. Effortlessly fast, effortlessly luxurious. The arrow on the 405. My hair wasn't being tussled by the air. It makes the perfect little sound. It's such a nice thing. So you think you could go two hundred eleven with an open top? Yeah, I could in this car. Yeah, I like the kind of semi swastika wheels. I mean, it's crazy. Look at it. Wow. I mean, they are. Wow. So, you know, the whole idea here is here is, you know, V12 Ferrari soul in this car. Front engine, long front deck, shorter rear. The just room for two. Yeah, comfortable seating ergonomically right. I mean, I could I could complain a little bit about the steering wheel and the haptics on it and the, you know, turning it on and off without a real button. You know what? It's not that bad, but it's not that bad in this guy. It's like adjusting the mirrors as fast. But you only do it once. It's very big. Yeah, it's huge. Yet it doesn't feel that way. Ways probably weighs about four thousand pounds, right? At least, yeah. Probably forty one hundred feels really light. And I don't really have any complaints about it other than the price. And I don't know who the type of guy that would really buy it. Like it would take me a big leap. But for the same reasons, I love the Aston Martin vanquish, like one week vacation. Yeah. In a luxurious Airbnb that's not mine, a beautiful place. That this car is has delivered a wonderful weekend. It really is. It's seen the Jag in this together. You see the, you know, the relationship between the sixties idea of yeah, yeah, but what a sports car is versus look at the size difference there. Well, yeah. Jesus. Well, you drove it, Johnny. What did you think? Yeah. I mean, I agree with every single thing you said. I looked up the power peak, you know, it's actually eight hundred and eighteen horsepower, but the power peak is nine thousand two fifty and the red line is ninety five hundred. Wow. It's still making power. Yeah. Yeah. To me, what blew me away was it's a it's a it's a cliche, but Jekyll and Hyde car meeting, it's a luxury car. It's like most of the time it's just a luxury car. And then you put it in manual mode and you, you know, rev the engine past four thousand and it just comes alive and it's it's a sports car. So it really has this dual character where it's like the F 12 was kind of just like a lot of it was more of a luxury car. Never really got to the sporty part. The eight twelve went way too much in the direction. It was it never calmed down. It was just it was really a hard riding brutal thing where this is like it rides the ride quality was kind of the most impressive thing about it. It really is. It's just such a luxury car. But then like I had it up in Angeles Crest twice and like unbelievable. It just goes right. And it handles at the same time. Let me pop the hood because some of those eight thousand dollar carbon fiber options are hysterical and the end go do it. Go do it. Let's have a look. I actually haven't done it yet. I've only had the car for like 48 hours. It's very wide to the sculpty, swoopy design of that front hood. Zuckerman from the driver's seat. Yeah. It's different, unique. I haven't seen it before. There it is. And there's the front end of your car. You like it. Oh, look at this. We like that. Oh, so go ahead and point out. Oh, yeah, I can see it. This is some of the ninety thousand dollars worth of carbon fiber. That's a very beautiful thing that I'm looking at. That is that is a tremendous looking. And so, yeah, first of all, look at that. Like a third of the engine is in the body, like in the car. And then if I remember correctly, the air intakes are about nine grand for the carbon fiber and then that box up front, that's like five or six grand for that box. The options are comical. Yeah. Yeah. But also look at the size of the hood. Like like Aston, I remember they brag about how one of their cars at some point had the biggest piece of aluminum stamping in the automotive industry. That has to be bigger. It's giant. It's so giant. And it's also presents giant when you're in the driver's seat, too. You're looking. But, you know, that's what I mean. Like when I first got in the car, I went, boy, this feels really big. And I think I might have been even talking to you, Sarko, when I drove it off the Ferrari lot. And then I said, you know, I got, you know, on onto Olympic. I was like, oh, this is nice. And it doesn't feel as big as it did like three blocks ago. And then the next day I opened it up and it starts eating traffic and it eats traffic on the. It just does whatever you want it to do, right? It's really nice. And whatever you want to do, you want to take it to Palm Springs and be on the highway for three hours in this thing. You'll be completely fine with the top down, completely fine. And even with a folding hard top, like there's a decent amount of luggage. Like like bring soft bags. Don't bring, you know, but. Well, I mean, it's not much. I have my tennis bag in the back there. That's about the size of my six racket bag is in the back. But but but it fits snugly. But that's about it. I'm definitely in love with that. I like it. Well, I was going to show the bill play. Yeah, let's see that. You'll have to press that beautiful key. I love that Ferrari has that little key holder that sits there. Yep. Yeah. You know, you don't have to have it dangling around. When you put it in the nice little square spot, there he goes. Johnny's opening it up. A little bit of a Batmobile feel with those humps. There's the babelette bag. But see, oh, there's the bill sheet. OK. Wow. Wow. Oh, wow. So those are all the options, Johnny, are just the ones they left off the sticker. Dodie, do die, do die. When I first started doing this, they would actually put the price up there. Chow, wine and then they had it was it was just back in the day. So like, you know, 10 years ago, Apple CarPlay at that time was a four thousand dollar Ferrari. She said Apple CarPlay like four grand. This is Apple CarPlay. It all works great. Yeah. But I mean, that's a humongous tennis bag. You could take that's closed for two people for the weekend. Yeah, maybe. I mean, it fits in there pretty snugly. But I took a call on the four or five at about 80 miles an hour with the top down. Totally fine. No one said, what are you in a car? No one say anything. It was fine. It's really impressive. Except for the New Jersey plate. I don't like New Jersey plates on Ferrari. It's very rental. Sorry, New Jersey. Yeah, it just comes across this bad branding. The two things. So there's the styling, which I think in person looks much better. It is. But in the green one, I had was even better because I saw that car. It's better. It's cool. The other thing is like the the engine is quieter than the 812. So it doesn't scream, which again, I'm a man of a certain age. I don't need a screaming V12. Yeah, you know what I mean? When you've had stakes and martinis. Especially when you had stakes. I don't have any martini anyhow. I dig the seats. I love this yellow stripe right down the center. But I think everyone who gets this is going to get an aftermarket exhaust and make it scream. That's what they all do. They all do that. Why? So to be louder than the other guy. I don't know. I guess. Yeah. Well, it's a perfect thing. Well, I'm impressed personally. Yeah. And the engine bay impresses me. That is just an incredibly beautiful engine with the intakes. Yeah. That is shockingly beautiful. Right. It's always nice when something is delivered that just works right. If it's not for you or it's not for most of the auto. I mean, most people can't afford this and we get that. But it's it's nice. Whoever's going to get this, good for them. The question works right. It's worth the money. It's nice. Question 12 Cylindry or the 2025 Spikes Car Radio car of the year, which was English, that that's a really a tough choice. You know, that's it really comes down to, you know, I was thinking about that yesterday, like, are you the pursuing the British gentleman fantasy while you drive your car or are you pursuing the swoopy emotional Ferrari experience? That's really how I would make that decision. You know, because we're all driving these cars, whatever you drive, you're driving with some fantasy of who you want to be or who you think you are. And that's really how you would decide it, because obviously money doesn't matter if you're buying this stuff. The only difference is really is that the Aston is turbocharged. So this is naturally aspirated, but then only has 500 pound feet of torque where the Aston about the same horsepower. They're both around 800 something. But the Aston is like, I forget, 750 pound torque. So it's like flings you for. They drive so differently, though. They say two very distinctly different things to the driver. Regardless of how they're set up, they just say different, or at least to me, they said different things. 100 percent. And also, I mean, the Aston, I think, tops out like the most you're going to spend is like 450, where this starts at five and goes. Are either of these cars, in your opinion, going to hold their value in two years? Well, it looks like all Ferraris are moving. They're still moving. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yes, I think one will. I mean, like if any Aston will ever hold its value, it's got to be the vanquish. If it's not the vanquish and that brand just has a real problem because I personally, I would take the vanquish just based on the looks. I just think the vanquish is the best looking car in a long, long time. No, again, I like the way this looks. It just doesn't blow me away the way the Aston does. But, you know, I don't know. Yeah. This has a much better transmission. Is this limited? Do we know that? I mean, it's limited. They're not going to build a lot, but it's regular production. There you go. But this I always Ferrari transmissions. I always say, like, you know, Porsche PDK, that's the best dual clutch. And then I drive a Ferrari. I'm like, oh, yeah, the Ferrari is even better. Yeah. No, it's good. So good. It's really good. So fast. Yeah. So much gear. So quick. 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That's the other thing. And then we get this investments we got. We can like harden the technology and make everything better. So yeah, we're incredible. Well, guess what? We have yet another car to talk about here from our friend Peter Nam of Guntherworks has a new company called CTR, which stands for Classic Tuning Restoration. And it's this car right behind me, the CTR Ferrari for 58, which I spent, I think, four or five days almost killing myself on Sunset Boulevard, driving to tennis at night on dark roads with uneven pavement and wet road. And yet the car kind of held its own. So you do you understand what this car is about, Johnny? I do know what this company is about. Yeah, here's the idea that Peter, you know, who is going to be on the show today, but had to cancel it the last minute. He said he goes, what we're trying to do is, you know, he uses the phrase of poor man's Guntherworks Ferrari, right? There's a better way to phrase it. You know, what he's talking about is a Guntherworks or what? Like a million plus. Million three for the turbo. Yeah. Here is a car, a 458, which is a great Ferrari, right? Naturally aspirated. One of the best. We love we love these Ferraris. Yet you dump about 120 K in to some modification, arrow on top, tuning underneath, appearance inside. And you get this guy, you know, magnesium wheels, high quality carbon fiber aerodynamics program, conquer quality paint, resto, custom bespoke tailored upholstery, performance upgrades, premium audio. You know, there's a there's two monitors in there that give you car play, that one on the right and then the one to the right of the tack there that comes up. And you realize you're in something different. And this car, I didn't know it had the performance upgrades, but because I haven't really driven a 458 boy, I don't since they came out. So I kind of forgotten about them. But yeah, this car and it's like an extra hundred horsepower. Wow. It's an extra 80 horsepower. Let me think. I think a 458 70 horsepower or more. So very which gives you a very reactive and the tuning gives you a very kind of reactive response, kind of like what TLG did with your Porsches. You know what I mean? It just brings it up enough to make it a better to make it a better car. Because the 458 at this point is 16 years old. Yeah, yeah, 2010 and made 500 some horsepower. So this is probably over 600, which is contemporary fast. Yeah, no, it's a smart idea. It's nice looking. I kind of questioned CTR. Isn't that a roof car? Yeah. I mean, so that's a little weird. I think it's the name of the company. I think that's all they're saying. Yeah, but just CTR is kind of associated with roof in so. But lower price point. But I get the idea. But you know, deal, I can't I haven't driven it yet. Peter told me I'm going to get it at some point. It's you know, it's so funny because Peter loves to tune for the track. Right, right. And there's you know, there's a suspension button that's preexisting on a 458. You can press the button is a bumpy road mode and it does soften things up. And it's part of the issue is just the roads out here in LA in the middle of winter are kind of a mess. So it's bumpy and it does have that driving characteristic of really stiff kind of Gunther works. But if you like that, you know what I mean? So when I had it on flat pavement, it's fantastic, you know, and it really handles well. There were some, you know, there were some pops here and there with a suspension that I didn't like. But again, it's like I can't quite tell if that's the car or just the terrible, you know, roads that I'm driving at any given point. But did he modify the suspension? He tends to. Well, I mean, I remember the early Gunther works. I went to him, like, dude, this is undrivable. He's like, no, no, no, it's sporty. I go, no, like, I'm like, you know, that thing where you say you can, you know, go to the track and then take your wife out to dinner. Your wife can't go to dinner in this car. It's not going to happen. And they doubt it back. So reduced unsprung weight for quicker acceleration, handle magnetism, wheels, 83 horsepower, increased throttle response and pedal sensitivity. That's definitely there. Yeah, it definitely is there, which I like, you know, in a naturally aspirated car, that reactive kind of feel in a car is amazing. Rev limiter increased to 8800 rpm. OK. Quicker and firmer shifts resulting in quicker acceleration. Yes. Adjusted exhaust note. Awesome. And then a bunch of carbon fiber aero stuff. But it sounds like he didn't touch the suspension. It doesn't look like it. No, CTR, power tuned stainless steel performance headers, titanium, high flow, catalytic converters, titanium exhaust, adjustable ride height and suspension front. There you go. Adjustable ride height and suspension. There it is. So adjustable suspension. So that's you're right. That's where that pop is, the lowering, right? And front axle nose lift system. That's good. And you know, look, it all works. And what we know from Peter is you just tell him what you want. You know, he makes these cars to your spec. And I think this is a really kind of interesting idea for someone that doesn't want to spend a million dollars plus and get something special. This car also for Ferrari got a ton of attention when I was driving. A ton. You know, everybody's like, is that the first impression is that a pista? Yeah. Right. And the front hood opens up there and it's a little bit of room for something. But there's one of his gizmos in there that you wouldn't want to put something on top of like, what's that? Is that is that some sort of hillbilly like moonshine device? They are so funny that this is what the market's bearing out because I remember not only him, but other kind of LA tuners, they all thought they could do like a singer to a 30. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And then everyone's like, I don't want to pay five hundred thousand dollars for an E 30. Yeah. Yeah. You know, what they'll do this. But like, OK, yeah, 120 grand. You're already paying what's the four or five eight worth these days. Like, you know, probably it's held all its value or they're about. So yeah. Yeah. Is there any batching that indicates Gunther Stone work on this? I don't think there is no. But the best way to think about it is the Gunther Works 458. Yeah. Instead of a poor man's Gunther Works, I would say this is a Gunther Works 458 and Flavio works. Yeah. Some time. Gianni. And it's neat. I dug it. I thought it was really cool. I really enjoyed it. I know. I can't wait. Yeah. Yeah. You should definitely drive it. We can drive it. Actually. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. You want to do around the block. We can do that today. I'd love that. You can take it for a spin. I've actually, I'm going to tell you the story. I've never driven a normal 458. Really? Well, yeah. Yeah. So we had Motor Trend back in 2010. We had this yellow 458 and then it was great. We all said this is the best car we've ever driven. Absolutely fucking incredible. I met Marlon Goldberg, who's the guy that owns Workshop 50001. He goes, oh, Motor Trend. He goes, do you remember that yellow Ferrari? I go, yeah. I go, I built that. I go, what do you mean? He goes, I was the press fleet engineer for Ferrari. He goes, I chipped that thing 100 horsepower. I put challenge suspension on all four corners. Challenge breaks. Yeah. We had this super cheater Fugazi. Yeah. So and I again, I love it, but I I'd love to, you know, continue not driving a normal 458. We have more Italian cars to talk about. You drove, what did you drove in a big orange? Yeah. What is that? Orangio Egon is the color name. And it's the Egon. Orangio Egon. And here it is right here. It's it looks like a Lamborghini Urus. It's an Urus SE. A newer one than the one I drove last year. Did you have the SE? I did. That's the plug in hybrid. Yeah. Oh, then yeah. Yeah. Oh, OK. It's great. Yeah. You have to say about it. I still don't think I understand plug in hybrids. Like I go, I go, OK, I'm going to I'm going to I charged it. I actually plugged it in. Yeah. I'm going to drive to the podcast fully electric. And then I'm like, yeah, what's the point? How many but I thought it was only about 50 miles. It took 37 miles. Right. Right. Of of EV range. The point. Well, I mean, for me, neighborhood. Yeah, it was my neighborhood usage and around town usage. And just like I don't feel like making noise right now. Yeah. No. And I get that. But I'm also like, maybe just make it an EV. What's what's the point? Yeah, I will say, you know, I drove a very early Urus back in the day. And it was they were about 90, 95 percent done with it. And they said, what should we change? And it was a couple of journalists were like, faster shifts louder. It's not loud enough. And they're like, global. This thing is frigging loud when you put it in. And yeah, the second mode, whatever performance mode, like it's just pop. It sounds like a remember how Jags used to be? Or it's just like shot. I'm going off. It's good. And it works. I mean, that's what I liked about it. Is you could do both things. It's two cars and one. Yeah, I'm like, I'm just like the added horsepower, but then it's like 500 some pounds heavier. So like, what if you just, I don't know. I don't get it. There it is. I don't get plug in hybrid. That's literally the car. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, I get them. I dug it. OK. I really love it. Yeah. That's about as far as I want to go is the plug in hybrid on stuff like this with performance cars. Yeah, I I just it's the McMurtry. Well, yeah. And then I would just get that. I again, I'd love an ors and I think of the best SUVs. Like I give a lot of friends a call me. Right. I get it or something. Yes. Yeah, totally. But they were always like, because remember, this is the same platform as a Cayenne, as a Bentayga, as a Audi Q8. But the ors is always somehow lighter. They just it was really was the better handling one. I had the most power. I had the best brakes. And I don't know if the the S.E. First of all, S.E. sounds like a mid-level Volkswagen trim. They got a Ford. Right. Yeah, they got a better name because, you know, they make the ors, S. And then the S.E. is electric. Well, but yeah, I don't know. I'm I want to love it because I tend to love Lamborghinis. And I'm just like, I'm like, all right, it's great. It's a hybrid. It's like or it's a plug in. But it's like, why am I in a silent Lamborghini? I don't know. Yeah. My part of who spoke with you just got one. The least price is less than a turbo, S.911. Really? Yeah. For the S.E. And I don't know if that, you know, if that's because of the S.E. and what Johnny's pointing out, but he got what he considers to be a very good deal. It's less than the car. He turned in. Good. It does love it. There you go. They're great. They're practical. Or the other thing, too, is I know, like, you know, Lambert is probably doing good lease deals because they want a lot of plug in hybrids to help their cafe score. So that's probably why they're doing that. Help their what? Cafe score. What's a cafe score? Emissions cafes, carbon and something. I see. Fuel efficiency. Yeah. Well, let's let's talk about a new car that people can actually possibly afford. The new Toyota MR2 was announced here. Did you guys see this? I did not. I've heard about it. Look at this thing. Oh, that's great. First of all, I love the MR2. I've always loved the MR2. Then it was then it was in the race deck ad, which made me even more MR. And then a minute later, look at this. Toyota officially confirms the new MR2 midship runabout, it says there. So is this a mid-engine car? Is that what this is going to be? Two liter turbocharged four cylinder engine, the Super Four. I mean, look, dude, if it's Super Four, if it's anything like the three cylinder I got in my car, it's going to be rad. That's really cool. Look, I think it's very good looking. They're going to they're going to eat Lotus's lunch while they're out in pictures of it. Wow. Look at this. Look at those intakes. Love it. Keep going. Let's see what else we got here. Love it. I mean, how do you not love this? Love it. Do you have any idea what this is going to cost, Johnny? Keep going. Way too much. Really? Come on. 600 horsepower. No. It says it right there. Where? No, 400, 400, 400. 600 cc. Yeah. No, no. I mean, if you go to the next slide, that says it's a horse, but they're asking a question. So there's no way they're saying. Yeah, what do you want? This is the site. Cardi's Network. Don't you think they're going to come in and go, hey, it's 293? No, I think, look, if the if the 1.6 liter three cylinder in the G.R. Corolla makes 300, yeah, a two liter four cylinder can easily make 400 horsepower. And that would be great and be light, small. And again, it's Toyota, so it'll turn on, you know. It won't have. And again, what's what's the problem with the Lotus? They don't build their own engine. So it's like either get the Toyota motor or with a Lexus diesel transmission, yeah, get the AMG stuff. And this is like all Toyota and Toyota, I'm telling you, when they want to, they do really good things. I think this is a really big idea. Maybe I'm wrong. I like it. It's big, right? It's great. I mean, I would drive this. Yeah, they got it. I love this, you know, and it's just because of the smallest. I just want small things like that. I just think it'll be, you know, 60,000, probably to start, which is great. Again, like, you know, 60,000 dollars for a 400 horsepower sports car, the kids who want to get into an MR2, 60,000, a big hill climb. Good for them. Talking about race tech, we might as well do a race tech. Yeah, let's see that. MR2. Here's an MR2. There it is. There's the OG. People have been suggesting that we get this guy on the show. MR2. MR2. The guy and the car. But why? Yeah. But I would the first question would be, why do you get the BMW colors on the floor? And you've got the Toyota MR2. That's the question. That would be the first one. Anyway, let's talk about race tech. We all know race tech invented, cost-effective, durable, truly do it yourself, modular flooring system, mentioned here for the garage, invented by our friend, Jorgen Mahler, Porsche collector. 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They just couldn't compile them all. But let's talk about two that one I'll get Zuckerman's commentary on. Waymo hits an elementary school kid in Santa Monica. There it is right there, causing minor injuries. Apparently, this kid was crossing the street. Is that what it says there? They don't have footage of it. Oh, wait. So the incident occurred within two blocks of an elementary school during morning drop-off. So the parents are dropping off the kids, crossing guard. Several double-parked vehicles were in the area that time. Waymo told the agency the child ran into the street. So it's that from behind a double-parked SUV and was struck as the vehicle moved towards the school. Now, the kid is OK. The car reduced speed 17 miles an hour to six. Read this. This is the bullshit of glass paragraph. Oh, the Waymo break-tard reducing speed from approximately 17 miles per hour to under six before contact was made. Waymo said in a blog post to put this in perspective. Our peer-reviewed model shows that a fully attentive human driver in this same situation would have made contact with a pedestrian of 14. That's the biggest hunk of bullshit. Says us. It says me. Why is that a hunk of bullshit? Because it assumes that the human driver is going to fall into the same situation at the same point in time. And maybe the human driver sees up ahead. Oh, there's a school. I bet it's slow down. I know what's going on here. 17 miles an hour is pretty slow. OK, but I'm still he's not what he's saying. He is when any one of us are driving down the street and you see school drop off time and buses. We all know to kind of it doesn't take into consideration like I don't know why I'm thinking about this, but there's this Monaco clip that's going around F1. You know, this F1 car is going through the tunnel and there's a stalled car right here. Very quickly. And it just reacts and they go, oh my god, how did they react that quickly? I think many of us could stop in time for that kid. We would appreciate. Yeah, we would appreciate this is such this this hypothetical that they're posing. Yeah, I would love to cross examine them on the foundation of this hypothetical. How would you do that? Well, you would want to find out your peer review study. What is that based on? Where are you putting the human at the point in time to, you know, to that it can't react as fast as your computer? You're basically putting the human before you know, you're removing any decision making agency from the human and you're putting it in a place where the collision is imminent. So, yes, when both are imminent, when both would both the human and the waymo are imminently going to hit the child, maybe the waymo breaks quicker, but we have to back up. If we back up, the human is having inputs that the waymo is not. And the human is not going to is not going to find itself in that in that same position. So this is a very, you know, are you are you are you making money for this family? I'm not involved in this case. I'm just saying, let's say you were. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I would I would take this big right? It's a I would take this comment and hang it around the waymo guy's neck like a stone weight and toss him off to the boat. You know, this is such a horrible comment. It's a horrible comment, right? Yeah. And I'm sorry, Johnny. No, no, no, no, it's like this peer review. Is that just a bullshit? Which peers? Who are the peers that reviewed this? And what does that tell me what that means? I don't know. You could really. I can't review me. It doesn't. None of this means anything. They just accelerated this to the point of where an accident was unavoidable and said, who has better reaction time? Waymo or a human. Right. But but but that's such a fault. You're already, you know, within within feet of this child. Yeah. You're the human is going, you know, maybe even three blocks ahead. Oh, schools on drop. Slow down. Or have experience hitting. Yeah. So kids run from in between cars. That's what I'm thinking when I'm driving through that stuff. Yeah. Driving really slowly. What? Yeah. And actually, you know, it's a good point. 17 miles an hour while slow, maybe isn't slow enough. It should have never been that. But I would just say you see how it says the Waymo driver. The driver. Well, no, no, see the D's capitalized. Yeah. Why? Because that's what they call their software is the Waymo driver. So this is version 5.0. I know a guy and I'm not supposed to say his name or anything, but I knew a guy who is a professional driver who is training Waymo driver six. And he went to the one before them and made a presentation and said, you could your cars could drive a lot better than they do. And so maybe I can get him to come on the show and talk about. I would like to strategy. I like also this. The company called 9 11 and the vehicle remains stopped. It moved to the side of the road and stayed there until law enforcement cleared the vehicle to leave. How did they do that? The law enforcement law enforcement is again, as if they're dealing with a person, you know law enforcement hates this thing. Yeah. Who are they going to talk to about what happened? Wow. Oh, the obedient Waymo. Oh, whereas we isn't that a good citizen that really humanized it. Yeah, they are. What a good citizen. Wasn't yelling, screaming, I still filming. I'm still surprised that no one has bought my idea, which is gunmo, which is a gun sharing program where you leave loaded guns on the streets of LA. Yes. So you don't have to buy it. And you just drop it where you're done. And the next guy swipes his card and uses gunmo. What's the problem? And then and then. Right. Because that's all Waymo did. They just dumped a bunch of robots on us. The scooter people just dumped a bunch of scooters. Why can't I dump my guns? What about what about Dilmo? Dilmo. What's your Dilmo? Well, you know what the Dilmo pitch is. You just use that thing and shock it wherever whenever you're finished with it. Dilmo Dilmo Dilmo runs over child in elementary school. So it's like the child steps on Dilmo. Parent takes gunmo and kills Dilmo user in a Waymo. I don't know how I got to the back of the Waymo. Still my favorite. That's the people put me here. Who'll put you in? The what? The people. What a world we live in. That's only story number one. Here's story number two. A Waymo vehicle crashes into multiple parked cars on a narrow LA street on a Sunday morning, barely missing a family that was standing nearby. Let's watch the footage. So we're going for a way. It's all going perfectly for Waymo. That's the Zeker. This is interesting. Yeah, that's the Zeker Waymo. Yeah, clearly they're not cleared. Oh, no problem. What's the issue? Can you go back and stop it? Look at this guy. Hey, come back here, Robots. This one didn't pull over immediately. No, and it did right there. It just crashed. OK, could you go back right when it enters frame? These are the Zeker. As you know, the next fast forward tool. I think there's a driver behind the wheel because these are still testing. This is the Waymo 6 beta driver, but they have to have a human behind the wheel. I don't think there's anybody in that car. Right here. Stop. There's nobody in that car. Those aren't cleared yet. So there has to be a driver in that car, I think. I think you might be wrong. I mean, they would have mentioned that. I think there's a hand. Let's look at this story. There's a hand on that steering wheel, Ferrison. You see that hand? That's the middle center of the console. No, no, no, I think that's a hand. I'm almost positive these are not cleared to be fully autonomous. Let's look at this story. It'll be, it'll say they'll see a driver in the car or not. It'll be there. Push me away with the vehicles being manually driven. Manually driven, yeah. So by an autonomous vehicle specialist. Yeah, so this was a human crash. There were no riders inside at the time. The company said the driver exited the vehicle on his own. So this is what your autonomous vehicle specialist does. I like the line you can see from the video with the Waymo lost control down the street. Just happened to hit my mama's car. Don Antonio said. Just such a great lie. So this is this is funny, but again, there was a human behind the wheel. Well, they're still part of our segment. Oh, it's great. Oh, those wacky waymo's. I mean, a funny looking Chinese minivan in Echo Park. It's a really good accident. You could still make money on that. The right. Of course. This is the greatest. It should have had a long road. We only had a mower underneath the front of the Waymo. There's a lot that could have been accomplished. It reminds me of the very early kind of self parking technology. I remember being in a Volvo and pressed like, would you like me to park the car? And I went, yes. And it drove right onto somebody's front lawn just like that. But yeah, what does this guy do? I like the shit flying everywhere. Just to bring. Oh, do you think this guy is still an autonomous vehicle driver? No. Why would you guess? There was a little weed involved or he fell asleep or what happened? Yeah, something happened. Speaking of something happened, let's go to this story. In Central Florida, a man was caught in a quote, sexual performance with a vacuum, say, deputies. This is a story that was sent for you to look over, Zuckerman. Well, Kevin Westerhold, number age 51, faces charge of exposing his sexual organs. This Florida man was arrested this week after he was caught engaging. I don't know why they say a sexual performance with a vacuum cleaner. He was having sex with a vacuum cleaner in a resort. No, I guess it says they responded to Glendale Street and Kissimmee Windsor Hill Resort. I think it's the apartment residents that they call the resort. I don't know. But it's it's a residence. I see. He also looks like the the coach of the Patriots. There was a young Belichick. Yeah, young Belichick on a way, Superman, super steroids and meth. I mean, he looks more normal than most Florida men. What do you what do you do after this? You're caught fucking a vacuum cleaner. Maybe he's also married, right? Go down a little bit. I think it said he was married and is the victims. Observe victims. Who are the victims? You're right. In front of a rabbit residence. This is why if we're listed as the host of this airbeam, I don't even know. So so this guy rents an Airbnb for a vacation and he fucks the vacuum cleaner. That's what he does. And now and now. What? And then the little video below, Florida deputy removes huge frogs from home. How do we go from back? This is why I want to live in Florida. This is just amazing. I don't get it. I don't understand what this guy's up to. I mean, I really don't. So it's a thing. He's in the vacuum. He's in. Yeah. I mean, the Airbnb is just a place to procure the next girl. Similar behavior in December. Oh, Christmas was ruined. But look, here's what it says. There were a bunch of similar incidents where he was appeared partially clothed or nude in the hallway. The rest of the. He's he's a sex fiend, sweaty, ready. And and OCD about cleaning. Were there outlets in the hallway? I mean, was he able to plug this in? Wireless vacuum battery charged. Yeah. Does he ever have that moment? You know, when you vacuum and you pull it too far and it comes out like, oh, did he have that? Getting interrupted. The wife goes home. The cord retracts. Oh, I got to do that. Wasn't sex. I was just cleaning. And like, what kind of vacuum? Like a like a shop. Look at that guy. He's like, look at his hair. This hair looks pretty good. Yeah, he's a big guy who's in shape. Why is he fucking vacuum cleaners? Terrorists in the math. As much as I like being a man, I'm really worried about the direction of white men in America right now. I mean, come on. Seriously, it's not good. It's not good. It's not good. No, no. This is Monday dot com. A agents took over my work and I absolutely love it. Chasing deadlines, writing status reports, updating stakeholders. Agents handle the daily grind now. I stay in the loop only when it matters. Create your own agent in minutes on Monday dot com. He's a weird. This is really weird. That's just not the face I thought we're going to see. He has a chin. No, he doesn't have a neck beard. No, that looks like law enforcement took down the. Yeah, right. Yeah. A record haul of meth and money and guns was taken down by up. No, he was fucking a vacuum cleaner. Ladies and gentlemen, with his yellow shirt. And his wife. His wife. Frogs for women. I don't know. Maybe she. We don't even want to know. I do want to interview her. I'd love to talk to her. Has he fucked any other appliances that you know? The toaster. How's the. The. Or. You know, people are talking to us about licensing this show for television. Oh, yeah. Wonder in these moments. Yeah, those are really with it. Would direct TV let us have this. OK, sir. Slam your dick in a patini maker. It's nice and hot. Stop fucking the espresso machine. Oh. My. Panini. Weenies. Have you seen my growing iron? My. Pauini. The cheese is. Moutain. What's in the hairdryer? We've reached a new level. We've reached a new low here for you, everyone. Poini. We've coined a new word. What's on the heated blanket? What is that? The Pauini. It's the Pauini. It's a couple of other just little things here I wanted to cover. One is this picture here that I love of William Shatner eating cereal in his car. This made me happy. It's like the moment. This is just nice space. I love William Shatner. I love what he does. I love his whole career. He's definitely, you know, I was talking about the fuck it years at Jerry talks about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's in his fuck it years. He's eating cereal with milk in his car. He's 99 or something. 92 I think. It looks great. It looks great. It's like one of the good news stories I just saw. This just made me happy. Yeah. And I thought I'll eat cereal if I'm not going to smoke a cigar in a car. You want to get to his age, I'll eat cereal in a car. Fuck it. This is nice. This made me really happy. He just flings the bowl and spoon out the window. Good for him. When he's done. That was good. Now I'm going to have a Pauini. I got to say, too, it looks like he actually has hair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he's somehow he's kept his hair. No, he didn't. I mean, it's replaced. His hair is more mysterious. He's on his third head. I don't understand. There are five colors. It looks like it's just blonde, like Kevin Costner blonde hair. Yeah, but then darkened that one. It looks like squirrels. But good for him. He's got squirrel pelts on his head. Anybody, you know, William Shatner, tell him to come on the show. I want to hear his final thoughts. I want to hear William Shatner's final thoughts on life. Oh, yeah. Sit down and just tell us everything we need to know right now from where you're standing. That would be good. I want to know at his age, when he closes his eyes, does he see the monster on the wing of the plane? Yes. Coming to get him and take him away. That's final time. Tell it. Warranty Von famously said to Letterman, enjoy every sandwich. I want that. I'm looking for that information. That's it. You know, there are lots of people who compile. They go to nursing homes and they have these books and they always go, you know, make sure your relationship with your children is that is a lot of that. We know that. We know that. Right. I want the colorful, interesting stuff. Enjoy every sandwich. Yeah. Enjoy every sandwich. Brilliant distillation of life. It's down to the purest places, right? And it's what we're doing tonight. Yep. Netflix, dogs, weird Instagram videos of Chihuahuas and birds. Are you guys together? No, no, no. We're just texting back and forth. And there's a fight on tonight. Oh, that's great. OK. And lastly, I wanted to honor this guy, this Mr. Moylan here, Ford designer who invented the little arrow on the side of the gas cage, get scroll down to so I can James Moylan passed away this past December. He got the idea for this little arrow when he hopped into one of Ford's pool cars on a rainy day in April of 1986 to attend a meeting in another building, according to automotive news. But the gas tank was empty when he pulled up to the pump to refuel. He had parked on the wrong side, something we all do. All do. He moved the car and fueled up, but got soaked in the meantime. That's when he got the idea for the little arrow. Did you do his high resh accent, Mr. Moylan? Mr. Moylan. He also fucked vacuums. No. So listen to this, he goes back to the office after the meeting. This is about, you know, the one percent inspiration, 99 percent perspiration theory of doing things, younger people watching, got back to the office right away after the meeting without even taking my coat off, sat down, started writing the first draft of the proposal. Moylan told design news in 2020. I typed it up and turned it in and completely forgot about it. The proposal was simple. And to the point, the indicator or symbol I have in mind would be located near the fuel gauge and simply described to the driver on which side of the vehicle. The fuel fill door is located. The arrow debuted on the 1989 Ford Escort and Mercury Tracer and soon showed up on virtually every car in the world. Brilliant. More every car in the world. Moylan passed away December 11th, 2025. And they say here, raise a gas hose to. Does he get paid for that? No, he worked for Ford. He worked for Ford. So but does Ford get paid for that if everybody uses it? I mean, it's not. I don't think you can. Do you think there's a little symbol on his tombstone? Here's. Is he down? Yes. Yes. There's not. There's going to be one now. Here's my question. You know where he's buried, folks. You should do that. I probably learned about this a little over 20 years ago. But the gas pump has the hose on one side. Why have the arrow? Why not just invert the image to the side where the fuel tank is? Yeah, I like the arrow. I remember. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know what's interesting about this? I think this is easier for most people. I love when any small idea turns into a giant idea. And I remember where I was on the set of car matchmaker. When I asked the question, I go, I get to put gas in this. We were in the middle of a shoot. And I said, which side is it on to the guys in the car? They go, look at the little thing. And I went, oh, my God, I didn't even know that existed on these cars. And I was so appreciative of that little. I mean, we say this about car options all the time. You know, and sometimes people even make fun of us like, oh, how can you live without Apple CarPlayer? This doesn't work. And that doesn't work. These little things affect your love of vehicles so much. Yeah. This guy has made such a monumental improvement to most of our lives. But who has really helped is like people like us who jump into like seven cars a week. Yeah, yeah. Most people get a car in the heaven for 12 years. Yeah. I know where the thing is. But like, I, you know, I on my Toyota, I maybe know what side it's on most of the time. But I forget and I look. I use this all the time. Yeah. Amazing. Every press car. James Moylan. Yeah. You're here. Enjoy your future, Mr. Moylan. Mark Vaughn, shout out, wrote this up. So nice to see you. He did, you know him? I love Mark's like the greatest. I was I was once given career advice by Daniel, who has a Pulitzer Prize. Try and be like Mark Vaughn. You should really try and emulate your career just like Mark Vaughn. Yeah. A lot of people wrote about this guy's death. I've had it on the rundown for like the last six shows and have forgotten to kind of bring it up. But I'm glad we finally got to it. And anyways, that's our show. That's our show, ladies and gentlemen. We'll be back next week. If you're a Patreon subscriber, let's take out the Guntherworks car, the CTR, and you can drive it. You can tell me what you think. How about that? Yeah. And we also have a cool down lap for you right now that we're going to talk about something special. A driver that I saw on roads, a woman who almost ran me down and some footage. I think I better put on Patreon. Next time, lady. She was used to this. Still Mark. Olivia loves a challenge. It's why she lifts heavy weights. And likes complicated recipes. 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