The Caleb Game, the Eagles’ Hurts Problem, and More Round 1 Reaction w/ Nate Tice and Willie Colon

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An incredible run of games. Granted, we had a dud last night in Foxboro with the path taken out to chargers, but everything else, there's also storylines. I want to get to each of this stuff rather quickly, but I'm going to spend a good chunk of the time here in Chicago with their comeback win against the Packers. Going into this game, I was going back and looking at the overtime loss for the Packers. They got in the red zone five times and had zero touchdowns in that first game. It still took all time stuff from Caleb to come back in that one. There was a recipe at least with the defensive line issues, injury-wise, why in Parsons, both out with Green Bay, where Ken the Bears just stick to the run enough here and then eat off turnovers the way they have with what I think is an average defense, is that their recipe to be able to pull this thing off? In a 21-3, I'm like, well, that's not going to happen, right? Packers moving the ball at will, three touchdowns, first three possessions. Caleb had a couple picks in this one. They were fourth down interception, so those are less damning, especially when one actually gained you yardish and feel the position. Feel position on the first interception. Then the other one fourth and sixth where he has to actually just get rid of the football. Those aren't as egregious as other interceptions, but defensively, Chicago just looks like a mess and that Jordan love. When it's high-end Jordan love, man, it's so impressive. There are throws that he's making. This is why we like that guy. All these things are playing out. Green Bay lines up for a field goal at the end of the first half where they actually make it, but it's late enough time out that he's able to get the kick off. It goes through. He misses the real kick. I'm not like, all right, maybe, but there just wasn't really much other than the idea of Caleb Williams. Then Caleb Williams happens. We're going to get to this fourth quarter because it's just absurd what this guy did. If I give you my full Caleb Williams timeline, if you've been here before, I know you've already heard it, but I think it's fair to update the whole thing. I loved him before the draft. There was a lot of push for Jayden Daniels, I think. You were starting to hear some murmurs. We had Brear Unrecently. We were talking about, you know, Bownex being the sixth quarterback out of this class. Sean Payton and that group had him number two behind Jayden Daniels, which means they had Caleb third. I just felt like he did the hard things really well already. It was just a matter of him getting to be more consistent with the easy things. Last year's a complete disaster. I know personality-wise, nobody seemed to like the guy. Then there's the Sando deal this past summer where I was like, hey, it was a couple people that were negative about Caleb. And he was like, no, it was like 15. Then there's the Yahoo piece of everybody's killing him. This year was promising, even if I started to think as I watched him, I'm like, God, he still misses some throws. He just shouldn't miss. But I still felt really good about Ben Johnson year two. And I don't know, again, we don't even know what the end of this season is going to be. But the whole reason any of us that loved Caleb or defended him or freaked out about him is that fourth quarter. I mean, think about these completions that he had in the fourth quarter. 22 yards, 21 yards, 17 yards, 27 yards, 22 yards, 23, 25. He had 167 yards passing in the fourth quarter when they needed every single one of these things. The throw to Raul Madunzee when he sprints left. And it's this throw where he's just, he rolls out left, but he's like sprinting left and then gets his body back and throws it right. The fourth and eighth throw to Raul, you know, and much crazy about this play is that thank God they got flagged before that snap that was right over Caleb's head because that was going deep and that was going to be fourth down. And that may have well been the game and they'd be eliminated. Maybe all these conversations are a little bit different. But when you see the end zone, look, they get backed up at fourth and eight. When you see that end zone replay of that throw to Raul on fourth and eight, it's insane. And then he's got the Loveland throw, then the DJ Moore, touchdown where he's just complete control because he knows he's like, I'm setting you up. I'm going to pump you with this throw and like it was, it was all within it. It just showed a guy that was completely in control. It was like basketball stuff, man, in that fourth quarter. So before he goes up because Green Bay had another possession, there's the Green Bay possession where they're up 27-24. It's 4-12 left. Chicago has all three timeouts and this is where Matt LaFour in this Packers team is getting destroyed all weekend. So the first play, first down is a wide receiver screen out to the right, minimal gain. Second and eight, they snap at one second. They're running clock, Ben Johnson doesn't want to use timeouts yet. He hits dobs on a one-on-one shot down the right side line that's beautiful. Like it's like perfectly thrown. Dobs is going to go up and reach for it. Unfortunately, dobs goes out of bounds. So now it's first down. You're going to run Jacobs. You're going to run clock. Problem is, he's stuffed. Chicago starts to use one of those timeouts, which they would have probably used at dobs to aid in bounds prior to that. Second and 10, they hit Golden for 11 yards, except they run the route out of bounds. So you're at the 21 yard line of Chicago. You're moving the football. These are two great throws. You're attacking six there for Chicago on defense, but there's 3-11 left. First down, Jacob Stuffed. All right, Chicago uses their first timeout at 307. Here's where you could start to go, hey guys, maybe throw something that's going to be caught in front of you, and you're going to have to force them to keep using all their timeouts. Or you're going to run some kind of clock here, because they would have called the next time out. But they go with a musk-grave 101 shot against the linebacker into the end zone. Now none of us would have been criticizing it at all, they had it work, because it's just not the way that works. But I think when you look at the design of, you guys know you're up, right? That's incomplete. So you go from Jacob Stuffed, tight end musk-grave in completion to third. It's like third and 10 like that, and no time is coming off the clock. So they get to the line with 10 seconds left in the play clock. The floor doesn't like it. The clock isn't running, so clearly they're fine calling the timeout. And then after that timeout, they break the huddle at 19 seconds left in the play clock. And then love tries to change something at the line of scrimmage at just under 10 seconds. So you're coming out of a timeout right into a delay again. So I understand like wanting to change that. And you know this is a culmination of a lot of LaFlore decisions, you know late, where I, you know sometimes I wonder if it's a bit like baseball managers, or if you just watch it enough, you're going to see some of the same mistakes being made that are perceived mistakes. But like who is that on? Is that on love? Is he changing the protection? Because I don't think it was an audible, because nobody was moving on the outside. But he has to know at that moment, like you have 19 seconds from breaking the huddle the lining up. The clock has stopped. That's plenty of time to get the playoff. And you can't change a protection that late if that's in fact what love was doing. So they get a delay game out of a timeout. And now it's third and 15 and you're going, you know they haven't run much time. Sure they've moved the ball down the field. But you know, field goal isn't really even going to save you in this spot. So they take another end zone shot on third and 15. It's incomplete. And they're lining up to kick a 44 yard field goal with 256 left. They ran off 100, excuse me, not 100. Well, yeah, almost. They ran off one minute and 16 seconds during that entire time. So they missed the field goal. Chicago takes over with 251 and one time out left. The two minute warning and Caleb Williams ball game. AJ Brown is reading a book on the sidelines still cool. Look, Monday's not the day to talk about the Eagles moving on from AJ Brown. He got into what Nick Suryani afterwards. Siri honest say, hey, we have a relationship. It's incredible. All these different emotions. I did wonder though. Does the sideline get to get mad at AJ Brown when he drops a huge third and five? Probably not. Probably wouldn't like that. I'm so tired of the AJ Brown story. I'm tired of everybody pretending it's not that big of a deal. I'm tired of like being a national guy that gets told that he's being the mean guy out of the whole thing. When you've got to update this story like every single week. But as much as I understand his frustration playing with Hertz, which was a new epiphany this season where I went, hey, he's just kind of average. And that's what it looked like again yesterday. The second half, the second half for them offensively are just a disaster. At least they got Sequan going here a little bit. But Hertz with a super bowl win in his back pocket and a second appearance. Whenever I watch the Eagles this year on offense and I know it sounds crazy after that. I just go imagine if they had somebody who was better than him. How good this team would be and how great this roster would be. And I know it doesn't make any sense. But I would equate it to a baseball team. If you had a baseball team that somehow won a World Series without really good starting pitching, which is actually somewhat possible now in this newer version of baseball and how teams use their staffs, but say you did it. Say you're like, man, our starters, all your log, we're kind of just duct tape this whole thing together. But we've got a sick bowl pen, good lineup and all these different things. Things worked out in the playoffs. World Series champs, this is awesome. Hey, next year, do you want to get some pictures? No. I don't want to do that. Well, of course you would. You feel like, hey, you know, it'd be awesome next year, even though we just won. Let's have better pictures. And that's what I feel like with Hertz. I don't know if anything would ever happen. You know, I'm kind of not taking anyone's side in this AJ Brown. She's one of the first thing I guess after the result that we had this weekend. And I was looking up her stuff, regular season playoffs rating 94 93 same completion percentage 64 66% and actually goes up interception percentage 2% in the regular season 1% in the playoffs. Sac percentage. It's just it's 7% the same number yards per taps basically just right right around 7. The numbers don't even tell you anything that's all that different because he's had some awesome playoff games. And it's really hard to do this with somebody who just won a Super Bowl a year ago. But I'm asking you anyone that's either fair about this new, whatever, when you watch them on offense this year, did you go, yeah, yeah, this is awesome. This should let's do this for another five years. Congrats to the Niners 74 missed games because of injury. Third most in the NFL. Kittle goes down with the Achilles. Hendrix is out there playing tight and I'm like, well, they were they draft this guy. I'd be like, oh, 1998. So incredible win on the road for a game where I didn't think Perty even looked all that crisp. The Rams. This is the all time is this really going to happen with the NFL. I couldn't believe they were down in this game. But Stafford who started nine of nine hits his hand has a three for 18 stretch in this game, which is just absurd for him lights up in the fourth quarter. I don't know what happened with the finger, but it came back. He said after the game, it wasn't great. The one number though that I was looking at throughout this because I picked the Rams to win the Super Bowl against the Texans. They were three of 13 on third downs. There were 17th on third down conversions in the NFL. They ranked 17th. Now, maybe that's made up for it with 24th down conversions, which are fourth most in the NFL. But that's always my big thing like houses quarterback doing red zone touchdown percentage and third down conversion rate. And my Rams, which, you know, I've never really ever said that before, but at least for the 25 26 playoff bracket, my Rams, this is a statistical problem. And then again, I look at last year when they almost took out Philly at Philly last year in the playoffs, there were 24th in the leagues. And this is two years in a row. These teams just not great converting third downs. And I think most of us would all gladly take that offense. Jacksonville sucks. I know Josh Allen round one. The reason why I didn't pick you to win the AFC even though I felt like becoming a believer a little bit Trevor Lawrence to turn around the last five plus weeks. Liam Cohen, this whole thing, the defense that we think is nasty. And at least in this matchup, you're like, look, if maybe they run at this Bill's defense that's probably one of the worst run defense, especially when you're talking about allowing big plays like 15 yards or more. And I think they were worse in the NFL. It's super disappointing. And I do think they maybe were a little lean. I don't know. I'd say pass heavy, but first 30 plays looking at it. 17 passes, 13 runs. And the runs were working. Trevor, the first pick was bad. Two picks for him. You know, it's not like, hey, the whole thing. You know what I would do here? It's a bit like if Caleb Williams had been eliminated in that game with the Bears, because everybody else would be eliminated with him. I'd say, hey, this is a year in the right direction. Can't wait for next season. If the Bears had lost its exactly how I feel and still how I'm going to feel, the right, as the totality of this Caleb story is told, I think you get to feel the same way about Jacksonville. Calm, Liam Cohen completely turned this thing around. Trevor showed, you know, I don't know if the page has now been turned in year five. And I know last last this last game feels a bit like a dud. But you went up against Josh Allen and he put the cape on his back one more time for the Bill's first road win as a franchise since 1992. There is something maybe on the AFC South here, though, because I was looking at it comparing to the AL Central. You're like, hey, this this division's going to be in the playoffs. They get they have to be right. Those are the rules. They got two teams in. But the last time this division was in the AFC conference championship game was Tennessee in 2019. Jacksonville beat the chargers three years ago. Tennessee's last win in the playoffs was 2019. They were the one seed in 21, but lost. The Colts last win 2018. And Houston's got a couple in the last couple of years. Beat the Browns beat the chargers and to close it all out. I still like Justin Herbert. Thanks for asking. At Bubble, we're all about helping you find someone who vibes with the real you. This year meet real people on Bumble who actually want you for you. 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So it should be even book anybody on a Monday. But we're ready to go after the wild car weekend. I want to ask about the Niners and then we get to Philly. I want to start with that game. I'm with you. I would look at Shane Hance performance this year as coach of the year stuff. And when I look at that game and then kill going down and kind of balance it against the chargers where there's one way to call a game. Do you I guess I should ask it this way. Do you think that there's always a set of plays to call to get you out of whatever your challenges are in a game because it felt like the charge is never deviated and where with Shane a hand in the Niners, it's like whatever is in front of us, he probably feels like there's a series of things that he can call to at least give them a chance of getting out. And of course they at least Philly with the win. Yeah, they're every coach has kind of like their safety net place, you know, state goals wherever you want to call it. I think what's been really cool about Shane and ever since he's been with San Francisco really is just how he's evolved. I think McVague gets a lot of that pub about how he's evolved his attack. But Shane a hand has two. Like they're going to have there's past plays that are kind of like no matter what the coverage is, there's going to be an answer. The quarterback just has to find it. And then there's some past plays that are like, hey, it gets covered too. This is best. Might not have an answer against man. And it's cool to watch Shane a hand as a game goes along. Go like, all right, zones, zone runs aren't working. This past play is not working. This, all right, we have 40 plays for this game plan. We're only going to run 12 because these are ones they're working against. But Fandio is bringing to us. So I think there are those kind of four raising plays. I think maybe is the best way to put it or plays to kind of give me plays. Maybe is another way to put it. I think you felt that a little bit with Kittle getting hurt. The Queen of Mitchell's second interception. Like that play was designed for Kittle. There's Jake Tongues was the target on it. The backup tight end who actually is fine player. But he's not George Kittle. And he's running away. They're doing a whole personnel. They did like a heavy personnel play on that play. They're trying to get a match up where it's like, okay, now we got a tight Kittle and the tight split running away from a corner. But it's not Kittle's Tongues. So that was kind of one of those plays. I think that like Shane has like, okay, all right, let's get just get back to like what we're running here. Like our base core plays. There's also run plays. They're more safe no matter what you're getting. So like outside zone, which is the Shane and stable. Duo's another run, which is more of a atube type of run. Those plays no matter what the defense is giving you is going to have an answer. We're going to have a you can block it up no matter what the defense of front is. And I think that's what's really cool watching throughout that game. As Shane had the opening drive was great. But then they kind of hit a little low sometimes. And then I think just as the game went along the second half adjustments at the halftime are kind of overrated. It's more like in between series that happens. But you can see him kind of stripping down and finding what was working. So kind of a long-winded answer to say like he knows how to strip down to actually what gets working. But also speaks to like how he's involved his entire attack. And considering the history against Fangio, like when they throw up that graphic and he's one in three against him, he's got 10 points per game on average in those five drive. Right. And this is somebody who's what is it points per drive? He's number one in the NFL since it became a head coach. So we're talking like six, seven seasons. So you know, I knew, you know, I think all of us going into it, you're like, hey, they're going to be limited. But you'd think almost in Shane hands approach to it. It's like, all right, I already have a stack of things. I know that don't work against what Fangio wants to do. So it might be easier to sift through that even if again, the playbook is going to take quite a hit once Kiddell goes down. Well, that's the thing too is that, uh, this is why I love playoff up all especially is that usually if you're say we it was week 13 and I'm about to coach against a or play a game against this defense coordinator, usually look at the previous four games. And that's kind of the basis of like your your opponent scouting. And then it's all right, previous matchups against this coordinator. Okay. So we might have two from last year, maybe a playoff game, maybe a preseason game we can throw in there just for data points. But real good coaching staffs once again to play offsets, you're looking at all 17 games. This is why spags for for the chiefs is amazing. Because he'll look at the entire sample size. This was Sean McDermott's real really good, especially come playoff time. They look at an entire season and know your tendencies. You're going to have everybody has tendencies. And it's how you break them, how you evolve from them, how you kind of set it up to like invert the trope. I think it'll be or subvert the trope, I should say. And so with Shane, he has so many reps as a play collar that okay, he can look back in 2012 when he was with Washington coaching against Fandria. And his recalls really good, but he can look back at that film. We go, oh yeah, outside zone didn't work in that game. All right, strip it out. So we're not wasting place like the NFL, you can't waste place. That I would say that's the one big difference between college and the NFL. College, you get a lot of place like pretty generally in NFL. It's like we only got 31st down place versus second down place. We better make them work. We can't just waste a play and just kind of gauge and just kind of see what we're at. So I think that is speaks to their advantage. It's not only the full season scouting. He has previous games and iterations where he's kind of like, okay, this work, this didn't work, this didn't work. And kind of go from there. What do you do with Hertz if you're how he rosy? Hey, I think you're trying to get creative. Might be the nice way I put it. I think before I even answer the Hertz thing, I think Tanner McKee, the backup, has to be talked about because that's the interesting kind of conundrum with this. McKee's going to have a market because what he's shown when he has played, I know he played a couple of weeks ago and it was kind of up and down, but he has a lot of positives. A lot of positives, coaches like pushes the ball, stands strong in the pocket. Doesn't like a decent athlete actually can throw on the move a little bit. Doesn't really take sacks, smart, all that stuff. Good size. And there's so many open seats for teams with needing quarterbacks and coaches. A quarter of the league needs coaches too. And this draft class is Mendoza and that's basically it. Like Trinidad Chamble is depending on his waiver. It's like an interesting day two guy. But like as far as first round, I don't consider Tyson's in that. Dante Moore might sneak up, but he might go back. I know they got Raeol actually today, or he seems like he committed, but they're still talked about more Mike go back. Okay, now you look at free agency and you look at, okay, you can trade for Mac Jones. Daniel Jones coming off in the killies. So McKee becomes interesting because then after we look at Hertz plays, there's how he rosemite go, okay, I can get a second round pick. I can get some a Kevin Coff trade, a match shop kind of trade. Or do I just hold on to him, have two quarterbacks and then we do the Joker, break the pool queue, the sticks and let him and Hertz kind of figure it out. Like because then we just kind of like we use this as almost like triad, which is insane to say about Superl MVP. It seems insane. Like I feel guilty even doing this right now. But I don't, I just more off Hertz in a successful Eagles passing game or a struggling frustrating AJ Brown reading books on the sideline. And not talking to talk to them media. Like it kind of like what one you see more and I see the struggles more than I see them just actually actually looking great and amazing. Yeah, it reminds me like of a TV show that all of us know is terrible and it gets great ratings. And so we're like, hey, is that show good? And you're like, well, no. But but I guess one of the things that I like, I read that even evil, con evil biography by Le Mansville, which is this is a really weird reference, right? And there's a part of the book. It's unbelievable. The book is awesome. I recommend telling anybody you can power right through it. And there's some like, con evils like the all time just hustler and just all of this stuff and they get him, they get him some CBS special and it's awful. It's terrible. And then it kind of like does our right ratings wise. And then there's this piece from the book where the CBS, I think might have been CBS, maybe was ABC, but does the executive's quote is like, looks at the rating and goes, well, you know, a tweak here, a tweak there, a little more promotion like, yeah, we can do this again. And everybody's like collectively going. So the Hertz Super Bowl championship, I'm not very very hurt. It just feels very nasty right now, Nate. And I didn't necessarily want to do it. But no, if the evaluation of Hertz, if everyone that's arguing about this Philadelphia, on local calls right now, and if you're calling in, go and, hey, the guy just want a super Bowl, it's like, well, if you're letting that get in the way of everything that we just saw this past year, then that means you're probably losing the argument. You're probably doing a bad job at making your point. If you're just going to this, this is a super important thing that's very hard to do. And he just did it and it's been in that game twice. I just don't know how anyone fair watches this offense all season long and sees these moments where it's entire halves or you're like, they just don't have anything. And look, AJ drops that ball on third and five. Maybe that turns things around. But I think there's enough data points from this season where you go, you've got, like, and how he's so aggressive. Yes. And I look at the rest of this roster and I'm like, my God, like if, I named five of these other guys, I don't even like tier one quarterbacks. Like if that guy was behind center for them, it may look like unbeatable. And that's the timeline. I think they're on with the groups that they have everywhere else. I whole are really agree. I've Eagles fans, they love being mad at everybody. Like I love them. You see W fans, you know, they, but they, they are. They're the mutants. He took me a second to get the reference. So they're bringing in weapons in the crowd. And when I, I've never been one that's gotten high on hurts. I think he has qualities. He is a good scrambler. He throws a beautiful deep ball. But he also, he doesn't do certain things that I think that you have to do to be consistently a high achieving quarterback. And I'm not even saying tier one. I'm saying tier two. So like a top, to me, that's like a top 12 guy. You know, top give a give a give a take. I think there is a pretty definitive top 12 right now. We should talk about later. But with hurts, do I really need an all-time type of defense, the best defense in a week, and an amazing run game, just to look okay? Like why am I paying you? Like that's something too. It was like I gave you the contract. All right, when everything is not great, when everything around you is average, or maybe below average, I won't say anything was poor. But like, you know, the run game dropped off a big time this year. But it was still like, as opposed to just all world. Like it was last year. Well, why am I paying the quarterback? Why am I paying these receivers? They're supposed to get us out of this run. If the defense is finding its way, this defense turned into a top five defense after they're by week. But if it's finding a way, it doesn't matter. We can give up 24, 27, because we're going to score a third because the quarterback's going to score some points. I never feel that. It feels like everything has to be perfect. It has to come down to third downs, fourth downs, go balls, push pushes. There's nothing that happens in the flow of the offense with hurts. And I think there are limitations. Everyone kind of talks about the coordinators. But coordinators kind of adapt. They're playing to the quarterback. And the quarterback has a lot, especially the quarterback that's paid like this. They have a lot of input on the offense. And as far as where the ball goes, what they prefer to run. And this is every quarterback. I mean, I worked with Derek Carr. And he had preferences of what he wanted to run. And didn't want to run. And when I watch hurts, everyone's complaining about the coordinators. Why don't they use motion? Why aren't they doing this? It's like, because the quarterback doesn't want it. Because he's gone, no, I want the picture to stay the same. You're just you're handicapping yourself. You they're turning everything into ISO ball. It's ISO ball basketball. Like you're turning everything into a Joe Johnson possession. And while you watch these other offenses, a shanae in offense, okay, you take away a backup. I'm like this, it's a flow. It's it's okay. One's not open, but two's going to come open because I trust the read. And the quarterback's going to whip the ball over the middle. If I'm not throwing the ball over the middle consistently, defenses can run things a certain way. If I'm only going to run certain pass plays, defenses can run a certain way. And that's what the NFL is. You try, you try to turn everything to a rock paper scissors medal. And with her, it's just like they just throw a rock over and over and over. And over time, defenses just catch up. And it's really hard to overcome that unless you just got dudes. And I think what, sorry, this is the kind of the last point on this. 10 of their 11 starters we're playing yesterday. Foreigners defense was easily bottom 10, bottom five. I could look at every metric I look at, I test, they can stop the run. Your pick, Lenore's pretty good, but you can pick on them and throw them through the air. Didn't feel like that. It did not feel like that. And so there's just, yeah, I've always been kind of a lower on hurts and I just kind of feel like something has to change because I've seen enough of this. This is what he is. Well said. All right, let's do some of the other games here. Give me, I'm a big Caleb guy. There was some throw stuff this year that was very concerning throw-accer. So you go to Pro Football reference. You're like, he's like bottom three. He's like ahead of Shador and JJ McCarthy. So it was like accuracy throws, bad throw, percentage and all that kind of stuff. But I just felt like no matter how the season ended, year two is such a step in the right direction. Like I almost was looking ahead to year three and not even thinking about them in place. I thought they were going to lose this game. Give me your Caleb's thing. Maybe your Caleb timeline on him. And then let's talk about that last possession there. Well, I guess second to last possession and Miss Field Goal with Green Bay. Yeah, it was, I mean, this whole offense, I saw when Ben Johnson got hired, people were like, oh, it doesn't match with the Caleb Williams does well. And again, talking about coordinators adapt, you know, the, into nerdyness. It's like Venom symbiot. Like it matches what your play call for this and what the quarterback is. I mean, that's what it is. And so everyone's like, well, cough throws like this. And this is what the line's off and so excited. But it's like, Ben Johnson, I think is a good coach. One, why I always thought that was because he doesn't blink. If you're ever looking at press conference, he doesn't blink. And it's not the ad in case doesn't blink. It's like the good doesn't blink like Nick Saban. That's almost a blink. I like that because it's start tracking that. The non blinkers, it's either it's hot. It's like, it's like one or zero. They're going to be amazing or going to be awful. It's like one of those things. And I was like, this guy's a football junkie. If Ben Johnson took three interviews last year and he took his time to like take a job. And those three places were New England, who has Drake May, Jaguars, who has Trevor Lawrence, and Chicago, who has Caleb Williams. And I thought that was very significant because he was like, I can pick anywhere I want. I want to do that quarterback. And watching this offense and watching kill get more comfortable throwing over the middle, working from under center, which he did last year. And I actually thought it was kind of an underrated aspect of this game. Watch him play the Colts as a rookie. He was under center quite a bit in that game. And I kind of was like, this could work. Because this guy wants the truck to ball. And he's got one of the best arms in the NFL. And Ben Johnson's all about explosives. Listen to Ben Johnson talk about the Tush push. Like people ask why he doesn't do it. And he goes, well, those can't generate explosives. Like, why would I do that? And this is such a, it's so refreshing for me because it's something my football dogma believes in is that you hump for explosives in the NFL, which is 12 yard gain on the ground, 16 or more yards through the air. Because one of those can equal two, three, five yard passes. If I just get one of three, it's like shooting threes in basketball. Like, three is greater than two. One explosive is greater than two successful plays. You know, just being efficient. And because of that, you don't have to be perfect. You can throw 58% and complete those because I'm generating explosives and getting more yards per pop than a guy that might be completing 66% or 67% at four or five yards at a pop. And so I think that this matching, I thought Caleb is also a guy that I think needs to be coached hard. And I don't mean like you're out screaming. I just mean detail oriented. And I think he wants that. Some of these guys that are stars, like they act like they don't, but they actually do. They do better with tough coaches that get on them. And that's exactly what Ben Johnson is. And you can see throughout the season, kind of really honing in. And like even that game that wasn't exactly perfect, Caleb had the turnovers, they had the record for most explosives in a half in a playoff game. Like, you know, like, and they'd 11. And just the second half, that's absurd. They had, uh, Trimedia had them at 12 for the whole game. That's the tide for the third most since 2002. And we're talking about cults, Pete Manning cults teams are tied with. They're talking about Patriots, Tom Brady teams. Because that's what you're hunting for. And so I look at them and I've not worried about completion percentage because it's just, I, they don't do a lot of gimmies in the solvents. It's not what our POs. There's not a lot of bubbles. There's not a lot of screens. It is run the ball and chuck it. And I love it. It's, it's what Sean Pete did with Breeze when he first came to the sets. And Ben Johnson has a lot of Sean Pete into it. And honestly, one of my comparisons for Caleb as a prospect was Breeze coming out for due. Um, because Breeze had more of an arm and was a better athlete than people remember. And so Caleb's kind of juiceed up. Don't get me wrong. But I just think I watch this offense. I don't worry about that because this is the intent of the offense. It's to chuck it down the field and get these 20, 25-yard games. They hit a lot of dumps. A lot of triples and a lot of homerides. The coaching, hey, every coach sucks because he challenges this and he shouldn't challenge this and all this stuff. Like I, I don't really have a ton of patience for it because I just feel like, how come every one of these coaches seems to make some of these mistakes at some point. And then you're thinking like coaches are just in a brutal spot. Um, you know, there was a tight end, or excuse me, there was a tight time out in the Niners game where it looked like a brutal spot for Shane Ahead and I have to call it. It's like, well, if, if Borns lined up wrong, like, who's that? Like when Jennings is screaming for him to get to the line, they're like, well, that's not a shanahan problem. Like, I get to the level. Yeah, right. I get specific to that formation. It was very clear that everybody was looking at it being like, what the hell are you doing and the player screws it up? So I could in this game with Green Bay go, well, when you're kicker leaves seven points on the board. Yeah. Um, but then we get to that last position. And even I, who's usually a little reluctant to be like, this coach sucks, this guy. The clock management part of it, at some point, we're like, hey, the dobs, the dobs throw is amazing. He just happens to go out of bounds. All right. Well, the Golden Route, also nice little throw. They were working six. I think six was the defensive back that they were targeting. Oh, Caligord. Yeah. Oh, my God. Poor guy. There's going to be, to be posters on the Green Bay gift shop next year. But, um, he was basically out there. But then you're like, okay, so that's, that's two unfortunate things on two big positive plays. But then it's like the Musgrave end zone shot, which again, if he beat the linebacker one-on-one, everybody's praising love for reading that and they got the matchup they wanted. And it was actually an under thrown ball. And then you have the third 15 shot in the end zone two. So like collectively, and then a time out, um, you know, and then getting delay and it looked like love was trying to change the protection on the delay there. And they, I looked at it and I talked about it in the open so the audience has reheard this. They broke the handle in 19 seconds. That's plenty enough time to kind of diagnose and figure out what you want to do. I think the problem then becomes the collective. It's like you ran a minute 16 off. They still have a time out. You didn't even score a mistake. What do you think is fair about looking at the floor in that spot? And then maybe if it is, like, it feels like a bigger concern. Yeah, I mean, there's, I think they have some stat about how many games they collapse or blue in the second half this year. Overall, like I'm a fan of what LeFord does as an offense. Again, this is an offense that hunts for explosives. It's a quarterback that hunts for explosives. They can be a little kind of in their ways, I think. They're stuck in their ways. There's some times, like, I think they're a great example. It was on third and one, I think they hit doves for a big play. And I'm all for that cool defense is playing tight to the line. And what's on it was create some space in the offense. And on that play, though, like if that goes wrong, that's really frustrating. That you get to a third and one, you just waste it on a play that really is a 50-50 ball of 40-60, you know, something of that sort. And it can go, it can spiral in bad ways. And there's times where they have a lead. And whether this is, look, or think of the Broncos game, when they played last month. And they were ready to rip their heart out. And then there's love chucking at 60 yards down the field. Which again, it's hard for me to talk about both sides of my mouth because I want my quarterback to play that way. And it's just, again, something I believe in. But also there's a time at a place. You know, there's a time, there's sometimes where he's just like, hey, just tighten it up, tighten it up, pulling it in a little bit. And I think sometimes is that they're running. Like in one of the routes going inside. Right. Or one of the guys, you know, hit a check down. You know, just like a little bit of a little quick game here. And even some of their stuff with their run game, and this is hard because they've had some old line injuries and they move their guys around a bunch. And they play in a very specific way. Like their old line has wide splits. And it's just, sorry, I'm talking about, I'm talking about every angle here. It's just that a lot of times with the four, I think that they get so aggressive and so caught up in it that sometimes they lose the big picture of it all. That they're in that two minute drive. And they're like, we got to get to this perfect play. How many times do they burn timeouts? And they end the half, like in the first half with no timeouts. There's like 10 minutes ago. It's like, that happens all the time. It feels like all the time, right? Because it's the math of like, well, it's a first half timeout. It doesn't really matter. Because that's what you just see certain coaches. Like, I don't care. It's first half of the timeout. It's mostly shaming. Yeah, guys. Yeah. They're going to be. Right. They love them some of them. But it's, you know, I, they, they, that's the thing about it. It's like, they know they're good. That's what kind of as a frustrate. It's like, but watching, and some of that, I think I don't want to say arrogance with it all. There's confidence in what they do. They're like, no, and they run a lot of good stuff. But it's stuff that's high wire. It's betting that, yeah, what this should be, a 50-50, we get it more 70-30. That means 30% of time is still can go wrong. Or the line's battered and you still can get hurt. And so like, when I watch that, I watch these end-to-half sequences, or that two-minute sequence that you bring up, or anything like that, they're trying to get to a perfect play. They're trying to get to all this stuff and do everything like that's exactly right. But sometimes you just got to flow and go and let it happen. And so, yeah, I think that's really what it is. I still like before. I still think they should bring them back. And I think they are. Also, they pay their assistant coaches very cheap there in Green Bay. So I don't know where the Harbots Aquas coming from. Because I was like, yeah, go there. Harbots is assembling like an all-star staff. Like, they're not going to be able to pay that. So that kind of, you got to give it one more run. I think we'll look for, and this kind of regimes kind of figure out what you got. I also think if they ran Jacobs up the middle, they would have been punning. And Chicago probably is going to fall back with two timeouts in the two-minute. So, recommend it. But I can expose this. Yeah, I mean, all time stuff. The ramps thing, I'd ask you this morning, like if there's anything baked into their struggles on third down. At least yesterday we have the finger situation with staffer. But is there something more about what you've seen and now necessarily maybe like a weakness that they have as they're going to be taking on the Bears next week? Yeah, offensively, I still feel pretty good about them. They're missing one of their guards, which is significant, you know, as far as some of the stuff they wanted to do. I thought McVeigh kind of maybe spiraled a little bit where he was kind of hunting some plays in the second half. They're chucking in a little too much. I thought he could have gone to the run a little bit earlier. They struggled on third down. I think that was a little bit of a game plan thing where Everow, the defense coordinator for the Panthers, did a really nice job of what they call green dogging, which is where, so if you're a man coverage, whoever's covering the back, or if somebody blitzes, and if the run-of-back stays in protection, then the guy that's guarding him adds on to the blitz. So, the defense is creating a plus one. Like they're going to have a guy running free. And so now what you're doing is you're turning everything for the quarterback, has to get rid of the ball in two and a half or three seconds. And I thought they did a great job of that. Like they just did it over and over. And I didn't think the Rams adjusted that. Which actually kind of surprised me. I've been curious to watch a second half on all 22. Stafford under pressure went two of nine for 30 yards, one pick, 1.4 pass rating, which you don't really need to know pass rating to know 1.4 is pretty, pretty not great. So when I watching that kind of, I'm not too worried about the offense. I know McVeigh, I know Stafford. I know what this offense is. This run game was literally the best run game that we've seen this millennium. It's like them in like the 2004 chiefs, the priests homes and that offense align. I know what they can get to. The defense has started to worry me more than anything. I thought, even though I'm not the biggest guy, I'm Bryce Young, I did think that those receivers, Coker had a star performance. He's great. And I really like Tetra O'Mic Millen. They have so much size. And the Rams have gotten the most out of their kind of re-trend corners. But these corners are like small. They're 180, 185. And I thought size really gave them an issue. And in-breakers, stuff working inside. And you know who likes to throw in-breakers and who has big receivers? The Bears. Colson Loveland, who's a moose. Roman Dunes, who just came back. And even Luther Burns got good size. Even DJ Morsex, pretty good size as well. And they run a ton of in-breakers. That's what Kale was really worked on. And got better this year. It was a bunch of outbreakers last week. But I think that, if you asked me a month ago, I'd be like, oh, Rams are going to blow them out. And now I'm starting to look like, well, actually the Bears offense has some answers against this defense. It was crazy to me because I was riding the Rams. I had them as a super bowl champ. I've been feeling the best about them of all teams. Them actually the Seahawks. And now I'm kind of like, really looking at them and going like, well, you're a little bit more pickable. I think the offense is still great. Even if McVeigh has some off moments, you know, where he gets kind of ahead of himself. But I think the defense is actually a little bit more pickable, which is kind of like more of a concern to me. You were, I think, one of the first national voices I heard kind of like going, hey, you paying attention to what's happened in Jacksonville, right? I was even like, I was surprised that you liked them. My boy, you've all, man. Right. I was like, is this a bit what's going on here? And then look, they closed strong. I think it was after the Jets game. I'd said, like, I don't care. You know, and then you started paying attention to Trevor's numbers. And you're like, man, there's a lot of personnel here on this defense that I really, really like like, hey, I remember that guy getting trapped. I remember like that guy, okay? I feel a bit like, you know, as disappointing as this is, everything feels like it's going in the right direction. You hope Trevor, you're five, it turned the whole page on this whole thing. Did you see anything in this game? I thought they were still a little pass heavy, considering the bills profile on defense. And the over, I mean, you look at the box where the jags are like, I think, gash them up. And you still end up losing this game. Obviously, it turned over margin, josh, and all that stuff. Was there anything from this game in particular, other than maybe just Alan putting on a show once again that you thought was frustrating for Jackson though? It was more just like, this is, I thought these two teams, and these guys kind of encapsulated the whole playoffs in the AFC. Like good, but flawed teams. Like, that's how this whole playoffs are. And it's actually, that's what's making an entertaining. Watching Jaguars are way ahead of schedule, where I thought I thought the offense line would cripple them. The season, I thought that would be their big bugaboo. And really didn't feel that too much. I don't think. Especially in this game, I thought that was actually not a non-factor. So I think as a franchise, they're playing with houses money a little bit. And honestly, getting rid of that, they trade the first round pick for Travis Hunter. This draft class might not have been the worst thing. To be punting on a pick in the 20s. And they got a few picks on day two. But really, it's more like, I looked at that. I didn't have a big, big picture takeaway. I really even talked about the show last night. Both of these teams finished with 21st downs of each. Jags had a higher success rate. More explosives. They ran from ball well. They did well on third down. Just can't have turnovers in the playoffs against a freaking monster at quarterback on the other team. Like that just, it sounds simplistic, but that's what it comes down to. It's almost like the Jags did well. But you can't have turnovers. And you're playing against Josh Allen. And honestly, McDermott did a great job. Their opportunistic. He always finds a way to get these guys make turnovers. Trudevius White is making huge plays. Trudevius White looked like he couldn't play football like a year ago. And now he's making huge plays in the playoffs. But that speaks to McDermott. And those picks came on throws over the middle, which has been the change of the Jaguars offense. Once they added Jacobi Myers, Trevor is just like, yeah, let's go. High lows. What's ripped this thing over the middle. And the bills went, okay, we'll just put bodies over the middle and take advantage of it. And they did. And it just kind of speaks more to McDermott. But I don't know. I came away other than those turnovers. They ran the ball well. The Jags did. The you mentioned it. I actually thought they even scored on those drives. I wasn't. I thought they could have kept running the ball. But also when I looked at the results of those drives, it wasn't the worst thing. Like they kept scoring. So it was kind of like, it's kind of hard to like go like, oh, they should have done this the entire time. And so I mean, Trevor finished with a 58% success rate. And success rate, I don't know how much you use it. But it's like half the yards. And first to second down all the yards on third and fourth down more or less. And so 58% subsurred. Anything over 50% is great. And the run game was ripping off explosives. They had a great game plan and the run game. So it's one of these things they just lost the game to a do that quarterback and a good game plan from maybe or opportunistic game plan. I should say from McDermott. I wish I had a bigger takeaway than that. But I think the Jags fans should be and franchise should be pretty happy about where they're at. They kind of have some good problems. They've stuff to address in the trenches. But like, man, there's kind of proof of concept of what they did this year. Yeah, sometimes you just have a result. Like there weren't any secrets. Like this was all pretty straightforward right in front of you. And you're like Trevor, who'd been so clean. You're like, okay, you know, and then it turns into this like, oh, as you can just gonna fall apart here in this game. I thought they should have run the football a little bit more. I also think in like a world where the fourth down stuff is out of control at times. Because I just don't know that we're looking enough at like how you feel about your team, how you feel about the matchup. And you're sitting there and like that graphic. I despise that graphic coming up. It's like, well, are my tackles out? Yeah. Like what are always blocking Christians? Like are we like, yeah, like stuff like that? Right. Do I have a rookie on Blitz pickup? Well, maybe. And so I thought McDermott kind of like, zagged against a lot of the stuff in this fourth down decisions. Because there was like an emotional one there where it was like 75% of the leagues going for it right here in the spot. Like, hey, we want to keep our guy in the field. We want to make sure we win with ball. It's the thing they're like, you know what? Let's actually back that let's just back up Jacksonville here a little bit. Even with a defense that I don't know that anybody was really excited about coming into this field. No, I think you can still run on that. That's the thing is like I still I still feel good about the bear, uh, the bills because of Josh Allen. And I know McDermott's good. But it's like, you're not always going to get that game script where you can run the ball and make them run, you know, and stop the like another team can run the ball, especially as the playoffs go along. So like they could win it all or they could lose them, flame out next week. And that's really how the whole AFC is. I'm at the line judge in this game, by the way, the refs. The they I've never seen more issues spotting the football than I ever seen in this football game. Then this bills jacks game. I've uh, so the line judge and field judge are judges at the line judge. Oh my god. Like they spot the ball incorrectly like five times and where they had to do like Reese. Like the line judge was shitting himself anytime. It was like a third one. He's like, no, we'll get the first down. Because it was five. The charter one was tough though. What's the one she is involved? It was it's a little. Oh yeah, that one that was fine. There's some other ones. They had even the Josh Allen had the like 10 year push into the end zone. He's tackled well before and the refs just like got caught up in the moment. He's like, yeah, yeah, touch down. Like you kind of like float with the thing. I don't know. It was I've never. Line judge had a wrong rough day in that in that game. That was like one of my one of my final notes I had about that game. What's about the line judge in the down judge? Hey, let's do this again, man. I really appreciate it. This is a lot of fun. Yeah, thanks for having me. Thanks for letting me ramble a little bit. That was awesome. Good visit. 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I got my kids going to school with that goddamn stealer beanies. And I got my wife wearing black and gold today. I mean, we're all we're committed. Like I just don't know what else you need from the stealers. Yeah, I get it. A lot of people feel like we shouldn't be here, but we're here, right? So like deal with it Monday night. Here we are. How does it happen then? Tell it give me give me the I know I know your heart, please and it's like normally I'd give a grown man shit for having two teams to cheer for, but you played for both. So I think you get that advantage and the other ones the jet. So, you know, hey, look, if they're good at some point, then you've sort of some green hoodie zone. No problem. I see doubt in your face, though. I like your outfit. I see doubt, though. No, I don't have that because I think, I really don't because I look at this stealers team. And I look at what Interrog has or haven't been able to do. We're flawed. We're a flawed team that's been riding on the wings of destiny. I feel like and I feel like, you know, you go back to that Ravens game. And I'm looking at that last quarter, you talk about too bad, you know, too bad positions on that bad position as a beefers, but you know, Zay flowers, the likely catch, the miss field low, and a Roger Street timeouts. He drains them and Luke misses the kick and I'm saying, all right, that's God. It only can be guy, right? Like we're playing at this point. It's all about fate and faith. And so that's all I have. I feel like we're riding fate and we're just going to have faith going into this game. And if you're the stealers defense, man, you have to feel, you have to feel some type of way there's been so much talk about Hunter and Will Anderson is badass defense. Like you have to feel somewhat pissed off that they've talked about their production and valid. The stealers defense hasn't lived up to the standard. Now, the last man they've been scrappy and they've been picking it up as a late. So I'm just happy to be here, Ryan. That's all I'm saying. We're just happy to be here. Hopefully we get it done. Do you remember a time where because you're sitting there and you say, hey, if you're on the stealers defense, all you're hearing about is Houston's 11 guys. And I think Houston deserves it because of how dominant they've been and just how many guys that personnel and they don't really change much up to like they kind of are who they are throughout the entire season. So I don't know that there's going to be a ton of surprise, B-A ton of surprises for Rogers. When you feel like, yeah, I'm a stealer on all these things and they're talking up this other team the entire time. You know, we always reference it bulletin board material and all that kind of stuff. Like, right. Does it really work? Does it really, their times where the coaching staff comes down, it's just the message seven, six days in a row or whatever. And you just, you actually talk yourself into this thing that helps you win a game. Yeah, I mean, when I was, when I was at the stealers, man, especially as an offensive line, I've talked about this before. I think on here, you know, my Super Bowl year, we gave him a 49 sacks on the season, right? 49 sacks. That's a lot of sacks. And I remember going into the playoffs and we had a first round by the next, you know, a division game was against the charges and it was so much talk about how to charge with a fast and furious and they, they, you know, they were scrappy and they had this team and it was coming into Pittsburgh and they were coming to kick our ass and how does all, you know, the Montsauce spot for the Steelers was the offensive line and how that this charge's defense was going to get after us. And I remember the whole week leading up to that game, I just got tired of hearing it. You know, like something just, it's might just keep poking the bear like, you know what it is. You know what the other team resume looks like. You know what they're capable of because you're watching film, you're watching all the nuances and how they're being able to be effective against you. And I just got tired and I remember as an office align man, we were just agitated. It's like very like kind of like that cashmere sweater that you just can't take off like Christmas that your mom puts on you. You just at some point you just like maybe you just want to rip it off. And that's how I felt. I just, I just felt agitated that nobody gave us a shot. Nobody felt like we had a chance to do what we needed to do. And so much of that going into that game was because they had a big nose attack. I don't know if you remember Jamal Williams. Yeah. He was kind of like the West Coast case he had to. Yeah. But he was like quick at that size too. He was quick. He was nasty and you know they had Louis Castile, they had Steven Cooper, they had all these guys. And then we just kept hearing and hearing and hearing and I remember going waking up and going to bed. And I felt like I can't, I woke up, I woke up hearing about the charges. I went to bed talking about the charges. So game day, I was just like, I was just like that cage dog that you know, you just kept poking and poking until you let out the case. You just ready to bite. That's how we felt as a line. And that's and I hope this defense in this office line for stillers feel like that. I hope they come into this game agitated. Not, yeah, you want to win. You want to play, but there's a different level of intensity you have to match, right? Because the Texas feel like I did the press is on the Texas, I be honest, I think they feel like they can't lose this. They're the better team. They may have the younger quarterback. They have more answers against our defense. But sometimes agitation just leaves you to say, you know what, it is what it is. We just got to go out here and fight a scrap and dig and claw. And if we do what we're supposed to do, we're going to come out on the other side of this thing the way we want to. And that's how I felt. That's how I feel now. I always been by the Texas Texas Texas. I'm just like Dan the Texas. Let's just fight all right. Well said, I'm motivated. I'm motivated. Yeah. Do you like the idea that a quarterback sack is a quarterback stat, not an offensive line stat? Do you ever tell Ben that? Not that he would listen. You wouldn't give a damn. Maybe we wouldn't give up so many. If you just throw it out of bounds, well, it's not around there, but he wouldn't give a shit. He'd like to deal with a block longer. Don't play with a clocking your head. That's what he was saying. Yeah, I mean, it's tough to criticize any of it. Because let's just say collectively, whatever it was, it worked. But yeah, there's certain, look, there's certain offensive lines. You look at it and be like, I can't believe they gave up this many sex. It was like the Russell Wilson argument, like during a couple of Seattle years, and look, he had a cook in there for a while. But then these like, hey, well, you know, the offensive line and we gave them some more sex. Like, dude, have you watched, like, what film are you watching? And you know, we were told in the office in Lyron, because guys would make remarks. Like, man, you know, you should throw it away to ball. We should do this. And everybody would be like, he's big, been Rafa's burger. Keep blocking his shit up. And like, you know what I mean, that's just, it was what it was. That was his play style. You know, he was a playmaker. He was going to hold on to the ball. He's going dip. He was going dive. He's going to chuck. He was going to duck. He was going to do him. So you were going to, you know, do your best in the handing. And hopefully, you know, you come out where you, you know, on the better side of it. Or you just, you know, just weren't playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers. It was, it was what is very black and white. You said to do your job. So you didn't feel like you were a bad offensive line. Like, because I would have to go back. I could pull it in. You know, that year was different. We had, you know, we had, we had lost our left tackle. We had lost, we had lost our left tackle. We had lost our right guard and Kendo Simmons. And Alec Fantica had left the year before. So we were kind of a password group. We just got Justin Hartwig, who we acquired from the camera in the Panthers. And so it was me, Darnell Stapleton, who was a rookie free agent, starting at that point. Then you had Justin Hartwig. Then you had Chris Kimwaltz. Or then you have Max starts. And then you had to fill in from Marvell Smith. So we were a group that just had to learn and work together. We weren't, we didn't have the chemistry necessary. To get through that season or be as polished as we wanted to. Our differences are historic. So we kind of rode their co-tales. But going into the playoffs, man, we had to find ourselves as a group. We really had to figure ourselves out. And that's why I do have a somewhat admiration and appreciative, appreciation for this Steelers office alone. Because I think if you were to, you know, lay out the Steelers roster and point out, you know, a sore spot on the, on this team, it probably would have been the office align. But I thought they've played better. They've been gritty. They've been able to figure it out. I think the ring aims could be better. But they've been able to find a way. So and that's what you can ask for. Let's talk about AJ Brown. This is not new. And I don't know all of it of like what's going into the situation or serion of you come running down after him. And look, if you're a, if you're a player and you're good, you're probably not going to love that. Even if there's history. So I wasn't shocked to see AJ Brown go back at him. Let me just ask you first, just straightforward. Like what do you think about where this relationship is right now? I think it's done. Phil's done. Feels like it needs to be done. I think I'm tired of watching it or hearing about it. Can I, and we keep it in a buck. Are we in odds with each other? Yeah. You have four drops in the game. You don't have the, you know, I have the cone is. It's in the front of the media and say your piece or say anything about the game. But when you want the ball, you got everything to say, right? We, we've, we've, when you turn on tape, there's just a five. Tate to say, listen, he's not wrong. There's certain spots with James. It's just not getting the ball. He's open. He's dominant one-on-one. Get AJ to ball. And then you have moments like last night where we need you to make a play. Not all the balls are perfect, but we need you to make a play. We're going to you make the play. And, you know, he, he just, he just didn't come through with, come through with those catches. And, you know, I think, I think somebody on the cast said, well, he's only had one catch in the first half. And then it went to him again in the second half. I was on that big third down. He dropped. And I'm just like, okay, catch the damn ball. Like it doesn't matter when you're called upon, you got to deliver. And when you're that noisy as a receiver and you've caused that much conflict in your office of unit, when this time for the answer, we need you to answer. And so the whole spat on the side, along with him in a seriani, whatever. You know what I mean? That doesn't mean that the ball players are always going to be feisty and competitive. I don't mind AJ Brown being a competitive alpha, number one receiver. I have a problem with AJ not delivering when a team is simply looking for an answer against a duct tape 49er team. Defense Rob. I will team as well because they have some injuries in the office. Office side too. Did look, I agree with everything you said. I didn't expect that we would be on different pages there. I wonder though as an old line guy, like when you see the receiver having this moment on the sideline. Yeah. Like if you feel like because he's on your side of the ball, you have to have his back or if you're like, here we go again with the receivers. Yeah, I mean, I was around. I mean, we had guys who have blowups on the sideline. You just kind of let them handle that. You know, you don't go over and be like calm down. I mean, let's people start throwing blows. That's when you got to get in there. But, you know, receivers are going to be noisy. You know, so we're DBs. I mean, just it comes with the position. I don't, I'm never, I don't meet too many quiet receivers or receivers for like they're being ignored. You know what I mean? Like they, they want the ball. They want to be in the position to make plays. And I'm fine with that. My thing is, you know, if you're AJ Brown, there's, you know, there's a way of, I think timing is everything. Here's your office trying to figure it out. Obviously, you're not playing your best brand of ball and you're not playing the best game yourself. So why be the distraction in the moment? It doesn't matter what Cereon said to you. Just take your ass to the sideline. He was clearly trying to get you off the field. And you were just kind of in your feelings for whatever reason. So was the result from the weekend, you know, on like the winning side of it, though, where you went. Hey, I know they won. But, you know, was there a team? All right, Buffalo. Okay, go ahead. I thought James, you know, let's say I knew the Jags had the number one rush defense in the league. But I haven't watched enough for the Buffalo Bills, man. I thought James Cook was going to be a lot more impactful. And I thought that Jags D is good. Can't take nothing away from him. I get that. I thought they kind of play with a tight butthole during that last drive when Alley just turned it, put on the capo. It was like, man, I'm just a better quarterback. And he delivered. But I thought the Bills are going to have a better day running the ball against the Jags. I just, I don't know why. The stats say I shouldn't have believed that. But I thought James Cook, when he's efficient and they able to attack the edges and they get those tightens coming down here and winning on the edge. I thought James Cook was going to find a way. I think they held him to 3.3. Y'all is a popper. Something like that. So yeah, I just thought the Bills are going to be better. And then Josh Allen took some hits, man. You know, I thought he took the early fumble and then he took that hit on the side or on the donin for the score. We, you know, he got his knee twisted up. That first hit, by the way, he got mangled when his helmet came off. And it was, there was a late reaction on the broadcast because it was like, I'm watching him. I'm like, he didn't look like he had a good time with that one. But go ahead. And I don't, yeah, he takes some hits. I'm just like, man, he's tough. And I, in respect to, I think he's a stud in repeat P.O. obviously all that good stuff. But he took some hits. I'm like, man, they're trying to win a Super Bowl here, right? That's the goal, right? I don't know if he keeps taking the hits he takes. I don't think they're going to get there. Because it feels like the injuries are starting to come fewer and quicker throughout the game. And I'm like, man, they got it. They got to figure out how to keep him upright and playing a lot more clean and burn a ball. And they don't, I just don't know what they have and receiver wise, right? Khalil Shakur, that was the adult. He showed up for him. But outside of that, nobody pops up to tape. I mean, Brandon could have had that one big catch. But I don't know. It feels like Josh Allen, James Cook and whatever tightens hot that day. That's how the bills win. Yeah, I look in Cade more than Knox a little bit. But when they get cooking, you know, they can be tough matchups. When Keon Coleman made that big catch down the right sideline, it was more surprising. And I was like, oh, yeah, Keon Coleman. Like, I know he's on the tune. And then I even know he was suited up until he got that ball. I was like, oh, shit, he's out there. The kid's out of detention, right? I had the exact same reaction. But look, he was a baller at Florida State. And so you're a little surprised. Like, he can't question. And I had to kill. Do you think the bills right now look at Keon and Keon Coleman? And feel like he's a miss? Yeah. Like, but like this early, well, I don't know that they're necessarily like, give up on him. I can't believe it's not at least like, hey, we know on like third and short, like third and seven contested catches. Like he's a guy. I'm telling you, he was a freak. I know when he was in college. And to have them be like, was he not dressed maybe a couple times at the end of the year? Yeah, it was. There was one time he got in trouble. They told him throwing the grace. And he was like dancing on a sideline. He was like, dug in. And I'm just like, well, at least he was still engaged. But it was just, wow, listen, most guys like getting trouble from the heck guy or the organization. You kind of just chill out, bro. You pop a couple sunflower seeds. You have a gatorade. You put the big jacket on. You disappear until it's time for you to get back out there straightened up. This kid was just like listening to music. I'm just like, didn't know he's in trouble. Like, I don't think he knows he's in trouble. Like he's been acting up. There's something going on with. I can't believe that like even the worst version of him is an NFL receiver. He's like, hey, this guy's probably still going to play like 10 years. But he's not the number one that you were hoping that he would be in everything. And look, she cares. She cares kind of like everything for them right now. Again, with those two tight ends. If your son said, I want to kill a Williams poster in my bedroom, how would you handle that? It's tough. Before. What do you mean? I like Caleb Williams. I do. I don't have anything against the kid. I just think right now you're two. I'm just, maybe it's dumb for me to say I allowed it. I'm just going to say it. I'm just, I'm just ready for him to play four quarters of football. And I don't know if that's the offense. I don't know if that's whatever. I'm just waiting for the one when the first quarter starts. I see Caleb William. And when the second quarter rolls out there, they go to Caleb Williams again. Not to the third quarter, you know, in the fourth quarter, I'm like, oh, oh, like I'm just kind of throwing back. Like, oh, man, this kid is, this kid is amazing. I just want to see him through all four quarters. For me to feel like, man, and listen, I definitely think he's a franchise quarterback. I think, definitely think he's the future of the Chicago Bears. He, he, he was obviously drafted to bring belief and hope into a franchise that definitely needed well done. I think at this point, you know, I just want to see him play put put put together a full tape. That's it. Just be more consistent. Start the game fast. That's all. All right, but I've just, I'm taking notice something here. As far as the poster, I would, I would pause on the post. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. Right, but I've just noticing loop, misses field goal, active God, Caleb Williams need four full quarters. Range, huh? Just trying to balance those things out. I have not spent nearly enough time on the Patriots game. Really kind of a dominant one side of game even with their mistakes. Yeah. Well, the other games were so incredible, but I just to get the full scope of everything here. I just want to make sure that we touch it. You just said you don't even have anything on this. So I know I have. It was so bad. You know, it was tough. The Office of Line Coach at the Chargers is Mike Devlin, who is my Office of Line Coach with the New York Jets. I think Mike Devlin is a damn good Office of Line Coach. But the Chargers Office of Line has played so bad. And I get it. No Slater, no Joe All, Maureen Hampton out. I get all that. But there were some fundamental basic things. As an Office of Line Coach, you have to be able to do just a play at this level. And they were bad at all of it. And I just didn't know. I'm gonna be, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get asked when I say this. I thought they should have pulled Justin Herbert during that game. When I did too many, I know it was still relatively close game. But he was getting hit so hard. They were peeling his back off the turf. And I'm like, this game's lost. Preserve him from next season. Because he was getting slammed. Like the one, the last hit where he looks like a, like a puppet, his arm fly up. I thought he was asleep. Ryan, I thought he was asleep. I yelled my wife, I said baby, sleep. I didn't believe, I was like at that point, if I'm Jim Hallball, I'm saying to myself, let's wait the way flat. Obviously they got us. You can't do anything. You got us packed. See you next season. He was getting killed. And so I felt bad for Herbert. It was a dominant performance with his six sacks, 15, 15 pressures, 11 hits. But that's nuts, man. That's nuts. And listen, the Patriots don't have a lot of superstar power. But as a unit, I felt last night they arrived. They dominated that game. And I felt it should have been, it should have been a call from the big man upstairs. Charter's on it and be like, hey, make it, get my prize horse horse off the field. He's not going to make it. Like he was getting tattooed. I thought it was, though it was ruffle. I love Collins, we're two pointing out late when they were, they basically stopped the game and they allowed substitution. And then it just, it just flipped, you know, because the cats, really when I was watching at least the pressure stuff that I was looking at both sides, like may they're Russian Ford and figure and drop a, and they kept them in the game. I don't think the New England Patriots are blitzing a ton. But then as soon as they got some fresh bodies in there, after that moment, and then it was just, you know, let the dogs out. Not the song, which I know you still love. Only I brought their bodies. What is, was there anything going on? You think defensively with what the Chargers did with made, a, you know, limited guy here that were used. I mean, he was about six to 15 at the half. He had the big run. They didn't need a ton from him. And I'm not even necessarily trying to be critical. I'm just curious if you felt like there was anything there that you saw to slow him down a little bit from the Chargers team. No, listen, I know Collins, we're talking about the left side of the office line for the pass. There's Lil Shakey, especially Will Campbell, and now other left guard, his name is Casey Me. I didn't see, I just, I don't remind they see me as really kind of was the stabilizer for their office. I think that was the, he was the balance. And I think that kept, they were able to win on early downs. I thought the kid would just may play. Though he may play, and that their office line played a lot better than the Chargers office line. And I think, you know, when you talk about what the pass do well right now as a whole, you know, they don't mind the dink and dunks. They can win that way. And they, they, they like to control the clock. They like to pound the rock. And Drake made just plays mistake free football. He doesn't get himself in trouble. He doesn't get the office in trouble. And then you have the deepest performance and way they perform last night, especially, he's going to have more chop set the apple. And so, more opportunities to go get it and he was able to do so. And I think the patch don't scare me, but you can see why there are where they are right now. Just discipline, clean, hard-knosed, scrappy, very much like who Mike Vrable was as a player. Like I, I played against Vrable as a player. He was, he was tough, man. He was tough. He scrappy. He didn't, he told you how he felt. He talked a lot of shit. But he was going to give you, he was going to bang it out with you. And when you watch this past team, they're very much like that. They just going, they going to bang it out. They going to this scrappy to discipline it tough. They do, they get, they represent, they have all the buzzwords you can say about a clean outfit. They just get it done. Would you, if you were, and I'll see, I think this answer is different for different teams though. Would you want a higher John Harbour? That's a good question. I don't know because I feel like the more he, now that he's removed from the Baltimore Ravens, you hear a monk in come out and talk about like he could have been better for Lamar Jackson. And there was some discourse there. And I'm like, there was so much talking about John Harbour and kind of being, you know, he's, he's falling on deaf ears or he, you know, he doesn't have that, that spark he once had and that the team is kind of going to Ryan. I like, he lost a locker room. I don't know. I think if you're the Falcons, you take him right away. If you're, I think if you're a team of science, not with Jackson. No. Would you want to, man, you do you think he's, I just don't think he can survive in this market from a million. Really? I don't know. I mean, I think this million market is absolutely brutal. If for a coach with a young Jackson Dart, like, I don't know, like, I, I, I don't know. I struggle with that. I don't think it's the home running answer that I thought it was maybe when it first happened. Right? And maybe reading some of this stuff, but then like taking a step back and thinking about it, you're like, okay, well, he's not a coordinator, right? Which is kind of a funny thing. He's, yeah, he was a special team's coach, but it was funny because when they had the early success, it was like, you know, owners around the league are talking about like special teams. They have to organize people. So they're better at these thoughts hate it to say. You're like, you're just playing. So the issue with that was he got the gripe very much like Mike Tom and right. Like, like, the kind of people say about Mike Tom and he got the job. Like, well, you didn't have to do much. He just had to step into the portion, not crash it. People felt the same thing about John Hall, but like, listen, you got this historic defense led by Ray Lewis. Got this young quarterback with Joe Flacco. You have all these weapons and pieces like, just don't crash it. It's going to run itself. But eventually you got to work and I thought I thought he did. I thought a lot of things did well. I didn't like the fact that, you know, I thought that piece that came out, wasn't from Mike Presty, you know, the big piece that came out of the Baltimore paper, Bob Lamar Jackson sleeping in meetings and then all this other stuff. That came from somewhere. You know what I mean? I did just come from nowhere. Now, I don't know why that seemed to come out then. I mean, I kind of get why, but I just felt like there was somebody in house or somebody close to that situation. I said, man, I got to get this out now and when it's smoke is fire. So I don't know. I'm still on the fence about the whole John Hall bar experience and how he's been able, you know, how he's pretty much gotten to ask. I wouldn't let him go to because I believe in stability. And I believe anytime you got a coach, a coach who can build a coach or you have stability, like you go into this season, the Baltimore rapists which you sit at a super bulk tent, right? Good roster. Yeah. One of the favorites was, you know, obviously MVP caliber. They didn't take into account that Derek Henry was going to have ball control issues. They didn't take into into into into into into count that Matt of Beakway was going to get hurt the way he got hurt and out for the season. They didn't take into account that Lamar Jackson, you know, was going to go through the injuries and pretty much play like a shell of himself. Those things they didn't count for. So I just I just I just feel like they had a bad season. I don't think it was time for for them to blow it up or get rid of John Hallboy. I think they could easily ran it back when I'm just upgraded, you know, the Y receiver room, did better on the defense, got some more pieces, free out the office line, he's a stability there and they would have been right back when they needed to be. I didn't think they were like, I don't think they do have that far off. They would have been fine probably either way. So I because they've been so patients, well, patient since they made the decision, I was like, okay, that's fine. But if they'd brought him back, I wouldn't be like, hey, you need to fire that guy. But I think if you're another team and you're going, okay, we have a young quarterback, say you're the giants, right? Like, well, there's nothing about his resume over 18 years. It tells you there's any kind of offensive, like performance here that's like, hey, I want to sign up for any of that stuff. I mean, even the year when Flacco turned into somebody else for four playoff games, that was an average Baltimore offense. Right. If you look at it from where it wasn't around the league and then he turned into show Montana. So, you know, part of me is like, if I were a disaster of an organization, and I just needed the rudder, right? Like, he comes in instant credibility. There's probably a top down thing of like, this guy knows what he's doing and we're a mess. So like, if the jets were maybe a couple years into this kind of bad performance, like, Aaron Glenn after one year, like, I'm totally fine with it, you know, like, it was ugly. But I really don't like bringing in a coach and firing a guy after one year, unless you're telling me every single day into building is a complete mess. And that's what we're about. Maybe some of these other one and done guys. So they want to bring it back fine. If it had been this Aaron Glenn's second year, and the jets say, hey, we just want to go in a different direction. We're not thinking for the next great offensive mind, but thinking for somebody who just brings incredibility and fixes a lot of our stuff and it's been really good somewhere. I think the New York part of it, you know, that's really up to you, like, how much you want to let. It is a mess up there though. I'm like, I know you're in it and you're in it every single day. And it's almost like there's this prideful thing of like we wear these coaches out. And then it's like, all right, well, that's cool. That seems that seems super productive. I mean, I see it with Aaron Glenn. I mean, Aaron Glenn started off not trying to be a distraction, being consistent with his message, talking about the product is going to be a product that jets friends are going to be proud of and how they we should all rally around the fact that they're putting it together. And it was a dumpster fire after dumpster fire after dumpster fire. So he started putting his dukes up against the media and then he became a distraction because he started to get on the hints because of everything that he had told or damn, they promised nothing was coming into fruition. And part of it because he sold the jets fans that Justin Fields was going to be the difference. And that was an absolutely horrible decision. With all that said, you know, now, you know, the last three games of the season for the jets, the team pretty much said, by, you know, they weren't playing up to par, they pretty much lay down against the past trick, may have five touchdowns. And then I want personally on that defense, I wanted to be on that field that day. And so that's all the reflection of Aaron Glenn. And I'm looking at John Hallball like, listen, man, you just left it opportune. You just left an outfit where the, you know, some people felt like the locker room left you. You know, land somewhere where it's a lot stronger locker room. You have a quarterback that's proven. And you have a situation in a culture where you necessarily don't have to rebuild. You just have the steady to ship. That's how I would think about it. That's how I would approach my next opportunity. The Giants go, that's a project. That's going to need some time. And they're probably not going to do it with a quarterback. You're like, again, all the things you would love about Harbaugh, you're not picking from the McVeigh tree going to fill up the future of our franchise. Now you could say Harbaugh comes in with the right assistant. It doesn't really matter. He's not calling plays. Anyway, he's not a quarterback coach. He's not designing anything. It just doesn't seem to necessarily be the trend. But like, maybe you look at a place like Green Bay, by the time this comes out, maybe there'll be new news on the floor. But I think he's a really good fit in some places. It doesn't make sense anywhere else. So I think that's what your answer is. And I agree with you. I think you got me there. Yep. I'm glad we can agree. Go Steelers. For life. What? I just don't know why you're a guestist. You believe in the Black. I don't think you're that good. All right. I think Houston's really good. I'll see what happens. I'm not that good. But in the day we had a hell of a night. That's what I'm planning on. You know what I mean? That's what we're planning on. Just making this kind of make it good for one night, baby. I know what I signed up for. Let's make it up for one night. If there's one guy I know if I need a night, I'm like, hey, we need it to be tonight's the night. 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We did, honestly, didn't plan this. I'm just glad I look better than I feel. I'll tell you. I got a text last night from Kyle. I was like, are we good yet? Something like that about the past. He was like, oh, okay. Nobody answered me until we won. So I guess that was probably. Well, I don't want to jinx it. I don't want to say anything. I fired off a call to Steve. I was like, don't call Ryan. Don't do that. Anyway, I was making some calls yesterday. Yeah. It's for Kyle. Kyle sent me a gift pack. Yeah, I did. Which got it. Got it. Got it made it. The upset of the year. I wasn't expecting gifts from Kyle because like real maturities when you get to a point as a man. This is only, I can only speak to men here. When you're a stage where you feel good about packaging up some stuff at the post office, it's sending it off to another dude. Your USPS. I imagine you're a 401K's in a great spot. Because it's just. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm proud of you. I'm proud of where we're going with that 401K. So yeah, you nailed me. That's right. Yeah, I, because I think for years, the idea was would be there. I'd go, oh, this is, this is something you know what I should really do. Yeah, theoretically, like send my friend a shirt. He'd like to shirt or whatever. And then then I got so good at it. I had some guys ask if anything was wrong. Like, what's going on? I'm slowly giving you stuff away. Yeah. It's like my 85 year old grandma every time you go see her. It's like, oh man, I'm collecting another thing. What's going on here? Dude, I think what do you get it any nice serving bowls? Yeah, literally. I got like a gravy thing, gravy boat thing. It was like every, every new thing would be something that and then they're just all around the house. Don't really use them. But you know, the relics of the past now. Grandma's love doing that shit. They do love it. I gotta be honest, you like if you're, if your family comes from gravy boat money, are you worried? Well, at the end, I don't know. There was much left, so I just don't see them anymore. Yeah, you're right. When I see a gravy boat, it's almost like, oh my god. You know, it's just people are classiest out here. I guess I do come from gravy boat money. I wonder if I've worried about, why am I even doing this? Anyway, thanks for the shirt. See, it sent me a bunch of shirts from some bars in Pekipsi, including the Derby. We're in the back of it. It says, talk Derby to me. So yeah, but the mohoney shirt is the one. I'm hoping you'll pop on one day. The rest of those, I just wanted to like, throw a little package together. But yeah, for that ball, I thought I'd do that. Wait, so was this the spot now? What? This is the new spot. We have it like an official, I mean, I don't want to call it the frolic room. No, I mean, it's probably Shotsies for football. Then there's other, there's other things with for different vibes, but that's kind of been my football watching place. And if I say live show, live show in Pekipsi, dude, don't play with me. I'm not in. Yeah, I'll play with it. Don't play with me. Okay, one follow up here, which I cannot believe. He wanted to talk about outsider Mike, who we told you when our former co-workers at ESPN, it was allergic to water. I was thinking about that more. I think the term that he said is that his body rejected water. Now that I think that's not going to be a better weekend. And he said that because he's like, every time I drink it, I have to pee. And I'm like, Oh, again, like that's kind of the, that's the spot it's working. Yeah. So anyway, I love that you said you thought about it more. I haven't stopped thinking about it for four days. So, um, we may, we may have to just throw on an episode at some point. Okay. So someone emailed in 18 years old 511 160 basketball comp, Aaron Kraft. Aaron Kraft is a sneaky go to for a lot of people. And I don't, I love watching Aaron Kraft play. So no impressive gym stats yet. See? Love that attitude. Yeah. Been listening to life advice for a few years now. I've never felt more seen than in the recent pod when hating water was discussed. I think water is disgusting. Totally tastes like shit. Obviously, I've tried it numerous times. If you live with a blint. And the choke, Oh, dude, would choke it down. When I played sports throughout my life, I cannot imagine ever recreationally drinking water. I would 1,000% stop a waiter waitress at a restaurant from pouring water in my glass because there's zero chance that it's passing my lips when I can order literally anything else. Never have I met her to someone like me. So I felt it was necessary to chime in. Whoever that guy was, we may need to meet up and bond over some non-water drinks. Maybe a crisp Coke or something. Thanks for the pods and congrats on the Netflix move. Which, thank you for sorruti. We're acknowledging that. So our guy hates water too. The only reason one of the one of the reasons I'm not is into time travel as I thought I was is that if you go anywhere pre-ice, I might be out. Well, everybody was drinking ale anyway, right? Yeah, because it was sterile, right? Then you could trust beer or you could just water. Ah, there you go. Dude, there's sometimes when water is the only thing that can fix me and then if you can get it, especially at the preferred temperature, that's what bliss is, dude, when you really need water. What's the preferred temperature? Well, sometimes you do need some ice cold and sometimes, you know, I think there's way less times when you'd want some room temperature water, but sometimes that will do the trick, but honestly, sometimes you wake up and maybe you put some mileage on your body, yesterday, and you can actually get that water when you need it. It's like the best thing in the world. There's nothing better. See, I'm a chilled, not iced water. I don't like ice in my water. Yeah, I like it a little bit cold, but not iced. I also go through big phases with water. Sometimes I'm really into it and it's like, hey, this is the only thing that's going to punch my thers. Other times, I'm not quite at the outside of my clever where it's disgusting, but I'm just like, I don't really want to drink water. I've tried those things, you know, like the hydration packets and they all taste like salt. So it's like none of them are actually any good. And maybe if you have a recommendation, I'm going to do that. There's a few that are good. I would argue against that. I've gone through the hydration phase, but I got to start my day just downing it. So I'll tell you, there's some trainers there, like, oh, you're pulling some muscles, you're doing this or whatever. Like, are you drinking enough water comes up all the time? I was like, well, no, I'm just putting my body through the limits, just of what I can ever possible, you know, whole vault lesson start next week. But I'm telling you, like, if trainers are going, because I remember cowherd once, my good friend Colin Carter, he just decided he was like anti-water. And he did a whole segment, have like, you know, how you're supposed to have like eight glasses of water became a thing. He's like, I always thought that was ridiculous. That is ridiculous, my love. So I'm like, man, I think I think arguing that you should be drinking less water is a mistake. So I just can't believe, I can't believe that people can't be refreshed by ice cold water. It's crazy. But we did swing a little too far in one direction, right? Wasn't it like everyone was really happy that like their pee had no color? Because that's how everyone's like, oh, you have to drink eight, nine glasses of water. And then didn't they come out and say, maybe that's too much, right? Did they? I don't know. I don't think they did. I thought they were like, if you got no color in your urine, that's actually not the best. This is what I heard. But I don't know. Well, we're going to give them all up. Who's the football coach? With its sarc. Is it sarc that had the pee chart where it's like on the urinals? Like, and he would be like, if you're not in this range, like you're not, you're not, you're not bought in enough to the team. I did hear about it. Was it back? I remember the pee chart, but I don't remember like going, I'm going to be in the portal, man. I'm like, like yellow. Scholarship is in jeopardy. Don't flush it. Yeah. Do you know anybody that you're, I mean, do you drink eight classes of water a day? Ryan, I don't think I know anyone that actually. Okay. So then I guess I do know somebody. You don't hear him clanging around that fucking water bottle every time. I do podcast and I got to mark it down and try to edit it out. Thompson's just like, really? I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I forget a lot, but sometimes, sometimes we'll just be like a guest. We'll be talking. I just hear like bang and it's this, it's ice hitting your metal fucking joke. Yeah. Like god damn. All right. There it is. There it is. Huge metal joke. Okay. All right. Let's stay with the fitness. Hey guys, six four, 200 pounds, 31 years old, but feel old. No gym stats, but have my AA rating with the California Beach volleyball association. Ryan is the Manhattan Beach guys should know what that means. I'm pretty good for reference AA is the highest level. I think that's great, man. But I've run a new enough U volleyball guys where I've heard you say you're sort of pro or not pro that I don't need. I don't really know how to keep track of whose pro it who isn't. I know the crabs are nasty. And I I like those dudes. What? Running a few times. Tyler crab and his brother. Oh, I thought you said that was a ball. I'm getting or something. Yeah. That's not I don't know. The cool thing I had gains. I would have joined the crabs. That's pretty good. The spikers. It wasn't as good of a name. They would sound I would feel like if you were like, I don't want to be in the setters. No. I don't. I don't. But I have a Ryan encounter at the top go off. You can redact that. I don't know. I would in short course when I lived in Manhattan Beach, but now I live in an orange county. Oh, yeah. No, I play the part three every now and then we talked about that when the kid kept hitting over me on a Friday night. Might have had a few trulies. I always admire your attitude. If you're always improving, no matter what, you don't have to just decide your old now. Yep, that's true. One of that. One of the tenants. How do you cope with when you start to fuel the athleticism slipping and the injury start to pour in? For context, Beach volleyball and getting the triple A rating is a major goal of mine. I've gotten close a few times. Played five, six days a week to reach said goal. However, two months ago, 31 lower back spasm for the first time mid game. I hit the sand and ride on the ground and agony for 15 minutes. I couldn't move. I forfeited the match and hobbled to my car. I had a lean over a shuffle forward like my 90 year old grandfather walked later in his life. A couple older guys chuckled and said, welcome to the club before peppering me with their stretch routines, aching back shoulder stories, general tips of my new life with a bad back. It seemed like they secretly enjoyed that I was one of them now. Yes, look, I'll tell you this. They're going to be a lot of people and a lot of them are going to be older than you. And they're going to root against you. So just give it a pass. It's better. Yeah, no one's actually on your side. Chapter three. Sounds like it's better. Hey, right. It's a perfect segue here. I've been in denial since that day and just telling myself this aching back thing is temporary and this new shoulder pain is an anomaly. But two months have gone by. The pain and stiffness is still there. Even after physical therapy. This week I was doing my cat and camel back stretch. I can see your charts that you sent us. We appreciate that. Before playing and a younger guy asked how my Pilates routine was going and if I was practicing twerking. Yeah, that cat cow thing. Your boy is down bad. My questions are, did you have a day when it all fell apart weight lifting or playing hoops so the back shoulder went wrong and never recovered? Did it come back at all? At once or slowly over time? Is this my new life now? How do you stay positive when your body doesn't work? I don't know that I'm Mr. Positive over here. So I might hold. I might not answer question three. The injury has made me contemplate my own mortality seriously for the first time. I don't like it. No. Before am I stuck doing these dumb stretches the rest of my life now before working out? Will it even make that big of a difference congrats on your success? Thanks. Sorry for the long email. Ah, a lot of here, man. Yeah, I mean this is kind of the way it works. You're just going to start getting hurt more. And it's great. When you're younger you get hurt. There's some sort of arm pain or you do something bad in the gym. It was the most amazing feeling in the world. Like you guys in the 20s that don't do anything physical. You have no idea how good you have. That's why it's like, yeah, get in the gym and get hurt and then recover faster. What's wrong with you? But anyone that's ever been through this deal, there's nothing better. Like the superpower. You're like Wolverine just walking around. Like, oh, that kills. In two days, it's gone. For no reason, other than you're just young. It's the best. I had a thing with my arm. I did some curl thing and I was like, ah, that's Stings. It was like somebody stuck a needle into the top of my forearm, right? Right here. To the top, I was like, God, that hurts. And I was like, whatever, it'll go away. It was two years. Dennis, I couldn't grab like this water jug to grab it. Like the top is a crane, searing, searing pain. And I finally was like, what is this? And they're like, oh, that's tennis elbow. Like, it makes sense. A pretty active guy. It's just going to happen. And I'm like, so when does it go away? You know, I have that plan or stuff in my feet. I've had it for years. Yeah, like if I play basketball, the first, at the end of the first game, my feet feel like they're putting two casino-type vices, just cranking them. The amount of pressure. And the thing is, just say, fuck it and you keep doing it. Or you stop. And that's what you have to sign up for. I would stretch like crazy. I stretch more now than I ever did before. It's definitely helped with certain things. I think there's this. Can you rip your calf doing, you rip your calf, right? Or something? Yeah, movie tie. But that one's your back. So, you know, yeah, I played five on five for the first time in a while since the rip calf didn't feel great and feel very smooth. Wasn't seeing the court the same way. I'm just telling you, like, yeah, the stretch thing is real. The stretch thing is real. I should do more yoga and all that kind of stuff. And I'd probably rather not. Because I don't want to not work. But I'm just telling you, you have it, we're all at a crossroads. And I've just told myself, like, I don't care how much more hurt I get doing anything. I'm not going to, I don't want to sit around and not do anything. That would be far more depressing than being hurt. So, it's up to you, 31, you're kind of fine, though. I think you're fine. 31's a bit early. I told you guys, I played it in that pickup league. And I'm 37 now. And that was a humbling experience. Mostly because, honestly, mostly the cardio. Like, I just, I used to be able to go, go, go, go. And I was never a stretcher. I still don't really stretch a ton. And I, my, I don't, I don't feel tight after the games. It was just like, I used to be more energetic. I used to have more stamina. And that used to be a big part of my game. And like, not having that, it's, it is demoralizing. Like, it makes you like, really have to like, want to go back and play again. Because you're like, man, do I suck now? And like, is this fun anymore? Like, you really just kind of like, think about what you want to do in the future of athletics. You kind of just have to, I will say the more I play, the better my, obviously, like the better my cardio got. I probably should start like doing some more walking, and running just like non-playing, right? Just to like be a regular like guy who does that every day. And then it'll probably improve the basketball thing. But it's like a real like humbling thing when you're like, oh man, like I can't just run up and down a court for two hours. And like, not feel like my lungs are going to explode. I just got sad for you. Sorry, man. Yeah, I didn't mean to bum everybody out. But Kyle, how old are you? 32. Are, do you think there's a chapter coming with that big old frame of years where you go? Okay, you know what? It's time to do. Yeah, I actually do. I think it's right around the corner. I actually do. Honestly, I drove past the gym the other day. I was like, should I sign up? I was like, it's still January. Those guys are probably all going to hate me. I was like, maybe I'll do it. You know, maybe it'll collide with the no no booze for that part of the month of February. Creep in the heart. This past run was not. We needed the past. The timing was telling lottery. Yeah, I mean, I can see the end of the tunnel. So that's yeah, I agree. Well, Kyle was still January. Always Kyle was asking me because we are playing. I don't know if you know this, but we are playing Kyle and I are are playing in the our school flag football thing. I heard about this. At least allegedly our name is on a list. That's what I call me last night. parentheses, Racila. It says that's correct. Yeah, just in case anybody didn't know who we were, which is fair. I'd be like, who are these guys? Like, what's going on? Wait, what is it? Flag is it on turf? Is it on sand? What are we talking about? I don't actually have a lot of questions. Yeah, I asked Kyle last night, like, do I have to bring cleats? Like, is this an indoor thing? I thought it was going to be on sand if that's the case. Look out for your Achilles, but I don't think it's on sand. I think it's like some indoor center. But Kyle's question was, Kyle is concerned about like, what's going on with the offensive line? Like, who is it? O-line D-line, yeah. Like, you would think there'd be probably three, right? Who plays flag football? It's just like seven on seven. That's it. That's what I thought it was going to be. I didn't think there was going to be any lines, but maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I think usually you need a couple guys out there, you know, maybe a tight end to life. I look, there's a couple of big dudes. I don't know what we're supposed to do if it's not that. Guess we'll figure it out. There's a couple of big names on the list. And he's still young enough that you have the training in the cardio thing. Sand's a great neutralizer though. You know, that'll take it out. Hopefully it's not sand, Robert Edwards. I don't think it is. I don't think it is. Yeah. I think it's bomber. I think I'm out if they're sand. But that could be a real humbling experience again. Like, just people on camera looking to be like, wow, Certy really is sneaky slow. Maybe he's not even sneaky anymore. He's just flat out slow. But would you try to play? If they were like, all right, everyone sign up what you think you're, what would you put? Would you put a receiver at this point? I always like playing safety. But if I had to pick. Well, you probably have to go both ways. So, I don't think we're going to play quarters. Look out. You'd be over the top. Now listen. I'm not going to be that guy. It's like, hey, I need the ball. I'm playing quarterback. I could play quarterback, but I'm not going to. I wonder if I'm going to be that. I just know that I could do that. I just know. I just know. I just know. Limited running. I'd probably be all right. What if you just said, hey, we're one of the Netflix three. Where's the ball? Yeah. We just start stuffing it right. Yeah. Okay. The I ticket, Lady Jennifer of Coons. Well, many thanks. Good, sir. Here is my Discover card. They accept a discover at Renaissance Fairs. Yeah, they do here. Discoverers accepted at the places I love to shop. Get it with the Times. With the Times. You're playing the loot. Yeah, and it sounds pretty good, right? Discoverers accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide. Based on the February 2025 Nilson report. Hey, can I ask you guys a question before we, I don't know when we're running out of time, but we had a lot of time today. If people haven't caught on to the life advice, like we're taking a little bit longer to do the whole thing, because we're just catching up. And the way the taping has worked out, this is how we're doing it. So, so yes. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, and get this thing off. Take the space. I just want to tell you, I'm just not sure how. I feel about everything. So, my brother graduated from Florida State last, last summer. And he's been like, you know, taking a little bit of time off the parents. You're like, hey, so what's going to, what's going on? He's like, I know, I know, I got to do it. I got to, got to start getting stuff, you know, he's moving. And he hasn't like really, he's been growing his hair out for a long time. And he was like, one of the things I'm going to do, I'm going to cut my hair. And you know, start looking for jobs, you know, new me, whatever. Like we're, we're hitting the pavement here. And he's just been saying that since the end of the summer and since I moved. And so I was like, I'm going to get one of my, I'm going to pay my buddies to sneak up on you, cut your hair. And he was just like, yeah, do it. Because I don't think I'll do it. Otherwise. And he said that in front of my buddies that we were hanging out with yesterday. And my friend cut his hair. We got a little drunk and he fell asleep. And my friend cut his hair. And I just didn't know what I should, Jim Cunningham was with me kind of mortified. And I was like, well, hold on, there's context. As I'm explaining the context of the situation, my buddy is cutting my brother's hair while he's passed out on the couch. I'm just wondering like the dude in me is like, you can't talk shit like that and say, fine, you're going to have to catch me while I'm not looking if you're going to cut my hair. You can't say that and then not expect it to happen. My brother took it okay this morning. But last night I was like, am I getting too old to allow this shit to happen? But so like the adult in me was like, this seems actually like, you're cutting a guy's hair while he's unconscious. And we're in our 30s. But the dude in me was like, you know, you said you did say, I kind of like it's fair game. I mean, I'd feel better about myself if you all said that. But I was just this morning. I was just like, what the hell happened yesterday? It sounds like there's a little kick in the butt. And you know, the hair thing is step one. And yeah, like eventually he's probably going to have to cut it. He said he wanted to cut it. How mad could you possibly be? I'd be a little mad I think, but I don't think it's like one of those things. I felt like I'd be traded. But I'm like, he was like kind of in our friend group now. You know, now that he's older and stuff and can't say stuff like that and expect to be immune. So if you think I'm good, it was really not a flattering cut that he did. He's going to have to get that fixed. I was going to say like it's probably, was it just like, Hey, this is an incident. Now he now looks like Lord Farquhot or is it like a or it's actually it was just like a kind of a, you know, he like grabbed it and used scissors. And I could see he was charging a he went into the bathroom downstairs and he was charging a flip-flip. Luckily the clippers were dead. So I only got as far as a couple of snips with the the long frame that hasn't been used since like 2006. It's broken out. So yeah, he was he was charging that up. But I was like, you know what I think we've had enough. I think we did it like you do a couple big chops. All right, I'm glad I'm not too old for this shit because it was starting to feel that way this morning. This is a big win man. Big win. No one expected this. 14 wins. The record. Get the pads. Certainly had something to do with it. Big did. Okay. Here's one co-worker that has a boyfriend. Hey guys, please use the name Ryan for me for privacy. It's a little confusing. Yeah. Okay. We're going to transfer transportation department of a warehouse and had to collaborate with an employee from the safety department. I just asked let's call her Alex working together talking to each other. It was fun. It was very nice. Next day, I'm buying a cookie in the break room. Alex is also buying a cookie. We talked briefly about how we like cookies with our coffee. Pretty normal. Fast forward the next week. I'm working in the transportation office. And Alex walks in. I expect her to want to follow up on last week's task. I was wrong. She walked in with two cookies and gave me one. I then asked if she wanted coffee from the cureg. Right? Is that a hit? That's that. In the office. We ate the cookies, drink coffee together. We talked to you. Got to know each other. It's been a few weeks and she's come to the office every day that we work together to hang out and talk. Sometimes she brings cookies. Sometimes I bring cookies. Real gym and bam situation you got here. I know. I feel like this one fake and the cookies mean something else. We always drink coffee together. She's very nice to me and is my type. We have a lot in common. Sometimes talk for hours. You both love transportation and cookies, apparently. This train. What a problem. What a train guy. Yeah. I love that guy. Yeah. It's good to girlfriend now. Totally. I wonder if she's using him for just the impressions. But I don't know. That guy fucking loves trains. It does, dude. It's all over his face. You could do it. Yeah. If you have a passion and a GoPro, who knows? Who knows? You could be in my yorka, Vandal, with your new train girlfriend. I didn't see a ton of trains when I was there, though. All right. One problem. She has a boyfriend. They live together. I've been playing it slow. No shit. Did the boyfriend and Liz are there? Tip you off to maybe not ask her out. I haven't asked her for a number of social media accounts. I haven't asked her to hang out outside of work. She lives in a town close to mine. We'll ask about things to do in my town at restaurants in my town. I don't know if she wants me to ask her to go together. She seems to mostly be by herself during the weekends. Long story short, I like her a lot. If she was single, I would have already shot my shot. I've had plenty of girlfriends before, but I'm honestly not really used to attention from a woman. And I feel confused. Plenty of girlfriends before, but I'm not really used to attention from women and feel confused. I don't know if they're plural. What? Am I handling this correctly? Am I going too slow and missing my chance? Am I overthinking it? Should I just accept the friend's own? I have thick skin. Feel free to give me the hard truth if that's what the truth is. Love the show. What do you got? Well, he hasn't made any wrong moves, right? Because, you know, actually in a real slow. Actually in a real slow. Yeah. The perfect thing to do is nothing. If you're a big, conscious guy. Or if you're like, I don't care. If you're thinking like, I like this girl. And I really don't care about what's going on outside of in her life. If you're just creeping towards a goal and you don't really care what's going on. Then that's a road you can take to. But you haven't done that. You haven't taken a step in either direction. So the nice thing is, if you think this is a stable place to work and you guys both are going to be here for a little while and you're not talking about how you're trying to move on to the next thing or whatever, then just keep going slow and inch closer. And we'll see what happens. Does she ever talk about this guy? I don't know. Well, that's, that was my question. Does she know that you know she's dating someone or is living with someone? Or did you do that through internet slew thing? Because you can just kind of play it dumb. If you don't, you go, I didn't know. But if she's talked about it, then all right, clearly, you know, she knows that you're stepping over a line. But she's also a willing participant as well. I'm kind of usually in the like, don't be the home wrecker kind of guy. That's a good default setting. I don't know, man. Like sometimes like maybe you guys are made for each other. So it's like it's obviously a case by case basis. But I would say like 90% of examples that be like, don't be the home wrecker. Like, or at least like make her really pursue you before you make it decision. I think it's like you have time. Just say cool shit over the next two years. You know, they just like, just like, just like, you have like, a boyfriend to suck, though, you know, yeah. I just have an 80% from three rating. Because you're not shooting a lot. Just be like the coolest guy you can for a couple of minutes every every week. And then, you know, extrapolate that. I don't know anybody can keep that up, man. Just always say the right thing for that long. Even though you're deep down like, you have, well, we're talking break room pastings. That's why I say we're not like having lunch together or anything. We're just talking like, you know, save the coffee. They're bringing the cookies for each other for each other. For each other. A couple of things jump out. Why did you ask us to change your name when it was completely irrelevant? Is that an indicator of anything about disguise personality? Oh, I mean. Like he's not like, he gave us a name he wanted to be referred to yet. It had nothing to do with the story the entire time. I don't know. Yeah, you never said his name once. Yeah, it's kind of why I'm like, yeah. All right. Number two, you said you had a girlfriend before. This is where I ask anyone who ever is in this situation, be honest. Do women seek you out historically? If they do, then maybe you're the man, right? Do a little something about it. Maybe your pheromones are just raging. Between the vanilla extract and caramel, chocolate, and then just a healthy natural musk, the cookies, you, in a room that can't help himself. That's a lot of words. Sure. That's a lot of words. Sure, where I was going with it. So, you know, if historically this doesn't happen a lot, you could be reading it wrong. I mean, this is the part for just people in general. Probably more so women have to deal with this. It's just like the second year nice to a guy, people are lonely. We're getting lonely or lonely. Look at some of the charts. Look at the data. Right? It's rough out there. But you're saying it would be cool. So, you know, any sort of window that's cracked open here, there's just a lot of dudes being like, oh my god. Now, our guy says a lot of women have dated him. He's had a lot of girlfriends in the past. So, if we were to defer to you and that this is like a real read, I'm just getting real attention here in the whole thing. She's your type, the whole thing. But the living with the boyfriend thing, you've got to probably let her, unless it just becomes this outrageous tension. Where you're just like, we have to know. We have to know or meant for each other. I think you just need to follow her lead throughout all of this. And if that's a friend zoning cookie guy who talks about whether or not there's a better way to get from this train station to the next one, I don't know what kind of transportation I could get off the trains. I think you have to hope that she indicates it to you and move forward with zero expectations. And by the way, if you're moving forward with zero expectations, you're probably more likely to deliver on the cool rating in those moments. Right, exactly. That was exactly my point. But by the way, I just checked and slacked Tom. Our guy said that Chip Kelly was a huge P-color guy. In case we're wondering if it was Sark or someone else. Chip Kelly on the huge P-color guy. Fixed Tom. What they asked him. Yeah. Thank you, Tom. It is funny to think about this guy just like the how he's describing it. Like, hey, she's my type. Is that just because like she's super out of your league? I'm like, hey, this is really hot. Check it worked. I kind of get along with like should I pursue it? It's like, yeah, like if you are also in that league, yeah, maybe. But if she's just like super hot and she's just like kind of giving you attention, maybe and you're not usually getting that kind of attention, that's probably a tell. Yeah, that's all we ask of anybody. When this happens, you have to be like, yeah, this is kind of what happens. And if you're like, this never ever happens to me. Like what's happened? Be a good self-scatter. The honor. Somebody's been nice. Share it some cookies with you. So good luck, man. But yeah, you probably, I think the guy living with her is an indicator that it might just need to lay out. Dude, there's a company party every year. Some guys, we've got to say some guys would say just because there's a goal, it doesn't mean you can't score. But those guys would be dicks. But okay, but okay, I would agree. Not like the story is the story. I still want to post that. You know, don't post it. Don't be at a hard don't. Well, now, you know what, enough time had passed where I'm just like, why would we? Why would we throw me out of the buff to each other? I showed it to my audience. The audience says no idea what we were even talking about right now. Oh, I guess tactically they do, but we did get a tweet, but it was just about someone who listened. I showed my wife that last night because it was in my camera roll and she thought it was pretty funny. I too sent it to a few people. All right, well, then I guess it's around. No, but it's not like, you know, that. Anyway, I think that's a good place to end. Thanks to Kyle. Thanks to Shirley, Tom and Kevin as well. And thanks to our new partner, Netflix. I hope you enjoyed listening to the part of those of you that watch on Netflix. Thanks for checking us out. The Ryan Rusillo Show, Arsenal Sports. See you.