20 Wild Rap Stories From ALL THE SMOKE That Changed the Game

This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. Mind Games, a new podcast exploring NLP, aka neurolinguistic programming. Is it a self-help miracle, a shady hypnosis scam, or both? Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, it's Jo Interstein, host of the Spirit Daughter Podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And today, I'm talking with my dear friend, Krista Williams. It can change you in the best way possible. 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This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall, In 2018, the FBI took down a ring of spies working for China's Ministry of State Security, one of the most mysterious intelligence agencies in the world. The Sixth Bureau podcast is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I knew he was going to be big. You're either gonna make it or you're gonna die. I almost killed Snoop. Nobody was getting out of that. Who in the world let this happen? Flaming game. It was getting high. Real gas. Wherever you at, he'll smoke that whole shit down. We got the one and only Fat Joe. When did you run across Biggie? And what kind of relationship did y'all have? I had Flojo out, and Big goes up to this place called the Lyricist Lounge. Puffy's with him. It's the same Puff Daddy. Puff Daddy wasn't rich, but he was the same Puff Daddy. He kept that energy, that same energy, right? So Biggie's up there in the Lyricist Lounge. I'm already, Flojo's already out. I'm walking around with my vinyl trying to give it to the DJs so they could play it. Back in the days, you couldn't just press play and everybody got it. You had them. Mm-hmm. It was word of mouth, hand-deliver shit. And so I'm sitting in the crowd, and Biggie's just battling, like, 10 different, killing them all. And he had a backpack on it. Puff kept going, I'm telling y'all, y'all can't fuck with my man. Y'all can't. And that's how I met Big. So Biggie was like, oh, shit, you Flojo, you Fat Joe. I was like, what's up? We met. I actually booked him, because on my side hustle, besides rapping, because making money rapping was, like, seasonal. When you're not really big, so it's like you put a record out, you make a lot of money. Then them other months, you slow. So I used to throw parties, like promote parties. So I had booked Biggie for his first show ever. Really? Where was this at? Yeah, it was at the Fever. Dang. And, you know. So what year is this? 9-2, 9-3, 9-3. It was Biggie's first show ever. Crazy. And the fly says party and bullshit and all that. And then we became tight ever since then. I knew he was going to be big. And that's when he was still underground. I just was like, yo, this guy, he's special. And then me and him was tight. I tell y'all some shit. Me and him was tight. And I remember when he met Jay-Z. Because he started, me and Big used to talk every day. He said, yo, man, it's this guy. He's nice. I've been hanging out with him. His name's Jay-Z. That boy nice. I ain't going to lie to you. That's on everything. I never said that in the interview. He definitely, I remember when he met Jay-Z and he was hanging out with him every day. He was like, oh, I'm with Jay. Yo, this, this, that. So he saw what I saw in him. He saw that shit in Jay-Z immediately. You know what I'm saying? So how did you guys' relationship continue to grow through it? I mean, obviously, you're established now. Great, great story. No, Biggie, to this day, there's nobody's career that has went more viral than Biggie Smalls. Biggie Smalls went from wearing an Army jacket to the next day rocking the salmon tuxedo with gators and the fur on and going number one, two, and three. We never seen no shit like this. Like, overnight, he went from Biggie Smalls to the notorious B.I.G. Number two, two, and three. Brooklyn, we did it! Like, that shit happened, Mike. Boom! Right? And so we know, because we in a situation of power, that a lot of times people's opinions, we at least perceive that people's opinions change on us because we got success or status. So I'm even guilty of that. When Biggie was like number one, two, or three, I remember walking up to a vibe party and I just seen like 200 people around one truck. And I didn't know it was that. And when I seen it, it was Biggie standing on the truck. And me, myself, Joseph Cartagena, myself, looking at that, I was like, I'm not going to go over there. He probably changed. And Biggie sees me right at that moment. Yo, crack! Yo! I go over there. So then he grabs Lil' Kim. She was with him. And he was like, what the fuck? We've been playing all day. What we've been playing all week. My new album had dropped. My second album, Jealous One. She was like, your album. He was like, you got better, boy. You killing him now. You know, I was like, damn. He ain't never changed. In the midst of all that. Yeah, he ain't changed. Right. Never seen the brick, never seen the crack house. Ooh, that's one for they asses. You know, I know. Yeah, that's one for they asses. And the one with Bujibontown on there. King of New York. King of New York, that's the one, too. Tell them a story about when Pac got locked up. And you sent the kite for him. Let me be clear. That story. Mu-Tah. Mu-Tah told the story. who's Pac's right-hand man. Who was Napoleon? He's Muhtar now. Napoleon. I had never said that story in 20-something years. Fat Joe never leaked that story. It's a true story. And so what happened was, East Coast, West Coast, Big E's my man. And to be honest with you, you know, they were really... I want to use my words correctly. Let's just say that West Coast was like leaning on New York. like really leaning on New York like hard the pressure was legendary and the New York rappers you know they just wasn't really coming back at them like that and they were just violating right doing crazy shit I don't even talk about all type of shit going on right and so I'm in the radio one day and they ask me the question yo Joe what you think about Tupac and all I said yo he's cool but you know if they step to me it's gonna be some shit. Yeah. So I said that on the radio. Not knowing Tupac's locked up upstate in New York. The Puerto Ricans hear that. They're like, Papi! Tupac got beef with Fat Joe! Yo! Yo! No, no, no! And then we was still in the street hard. Right, right. So I said that in the interview. You gotta be careful. Your words can really create problems. So then I get on the phone call. I get a phone call from Greg Nice, who pretty much put me in the game, one of my brothers. He said, yo, Joe, I got Pac on the other line. I was like, Pac? So I pick up, and then Tupac, I don't want to elaborate too much, guys, but what I'm saying is Tupac was like, yo, these Puerto Ricans is on me. Like, you said something on the radio. I don't got a problem with you, Joe. Like this, I know what's up, this, this. And so, you know, we sent the kite out to the Puerto Ricans and be like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. This ain't about that. Not on the strength of me. Don't do that. And then they wind up being real tight with Tupac in there and holding them down in there. That's how that came about. But be clear, y'all. I know I talk a lot of shit. I talk a lot of shit, but I never told that story in 20-something years. You know, because now we got to be careful with podcasting or clout chasing. Right, right, right. Like, y'all, this shit crazy out there. Welcome, Chris Webber. Your time with these music artists, you know, Big and C's. I know you're close to C's still. Nas just wins a Grammy. Talk to us about that crossover between sports and music because you were right in the mix during your time. Well, you guys know, I mean, we all come from the same place, so we're going to have the same things in common. You know what I mean? And so growing up, you know, so I'm 16, 89, and that's, you got, you know, hip-hop's in this little bit of peak. And so growing up, I remember me and Jay, Rose used to write rhymes in class and pass them back to each other. Everybody wanted to, the hoop, wanted to be a rapper and vice versa. After I left college, KG from Naughty by Nature, shout out to KG. He's a crazy sports fan and we were just cool. I would just go to his house in New Jersey every summer, man. I'd go to his house in New Jersey, shout out to his parents, his family. They would just let me stay there. He had a studio. I mean, I could stay there for days and no one come bother you or bother you, you know what I'm saying? And in that time, I learned how to make beats. Like he had John A, that group John A in the basement. And I remember just watching him, like, just make beats or, you know, other groups, RL, all these other groups that he had. So making beats, that just let me like after games and shit come back and wind down. And then it just takes you to where you meet a couple people that you like-minded, you know, you have a real relationship with and maybe, you know, maybe they hear some shit. So with Nas, it was just, he was just somebody I admired from afar. I love his rhymes. When we met, I was like, you know, we're not gonna be cool. Cause you know, you know, it's just not that type of party. Like go and do your thing, I do mine. We became close. and he was just hearing some beats, and he was like, yo, I'ma put that on. You know what I mean? And for me, it sounded cool, I'm being calm about it, but at that time, I mean, it's still one of the biggest accomplishments of my life. To have a song, Blunt Ashes, and then have Surviving the Times on this other album. So for me, somebody that make beats and listen to music all the time, grew up in Detroit where music is that, it was just dope being a part of it. So yeah, that was just dope. Tim, take me back to the, cause you were at, you were up on stage at the, Was it the Source Awards with the East Coast, West Coast shit? That was a young, bald head of you up there, right? Yeah. With you and who else was up there? It was you. It was messed up too, because I come on with Puffy and Faith right after Suge lay it down. Right. You want to be on the video, you know what I mean? And I come on a stack, like, I come up, I'm wearing black like I'm part of Bad Boy. I'm like, I don't know nobody. You know what I mean? But it was dope that night, because Biggin' was sitting right here, and you know, he would, you know, this time, Pass Back, Crystal, Blunts, it was just, to me it was... It was the Source Awards, right? Source Awards, to me it was... Yeah, we're going in the Source Awards. Crazy, right? It was like when Vince Carter was at the dunk contest, dog. When Vince did the dunk in 2001, that's what it was like. All of Wu-Tang was sitting on one, all of Death Row was in the middle. I mean, this is when Death Row came out in the cages with, you know, Lady of Rage. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's when MC8, That's when DJ Quick was looking right at MC8 the whole time he was rapping. It wasn't a G, cause a G ain't in you. Like it was just beef. I mean, Mobb Deep was beefing with Bone Thugs and Harmony that time. And I'm a fan. So I'm in the back. I'm just watching. All kind of shit going on. All kind of guns falling on the floor. Everybody got on bulletproof. It was so crazy, cause I'm thinking like, who in the world let this happen? Like I didn't see one security guard. People doing the show, people just walking up, but it was the dopest show. I always go over my boys and be like, I don't know a hip hop show that was doper than that. But yeah, it came out, and that was the whole East Coast, West Coast beef Snoop. Y'all ain't no life for Snoop, dawg? Right. Snoop was hard. For Snoop to do that there, though, they were booing him, too. In New York, yeah, that shit was hard. I mean, for me, growing up West Coast, I'm strictly West Coast. The only, I didn't even listen to Jay at the time, the only East Coast person I listened to was, it wasn't Wu-Tang, it was big. You know what I mean? So to see what the West Coast was taking out there, I was like, oh shit. And then all of a sudden you look back on the old film and you're like, oh shit, that's Webb right there. What the fuck? Yeah, looking like... Right, like a deer in the headlights, like shit. Today we got an iconic voice, big boy, Snoop. Snoop, oh man. Snoop, I got quite a few with Dogg, man. But I remember one night I was having a birthday party and every year I would have somebody come. And Snoop, around that time, Snoop is heavy into his Snoopy Youth Football League. So I would, years, you know, my birthday fell during the season and Dog would lock himself in. So he would, you know, respectfully like big, you know. So when I finally got him one year, that's when I said, Dog, I said, I really want you to do it this year. Man, I got you. I got you. He told me he'd do it for free. That's Dog. Just send him transportation. So, you know, the mini coaches where it's like fixed up on the inside and everything. I had a mini coach. I didn't send a mine. I sent him another one from one of my partner's companies. And, you know, Snoop is in the car. They're 45 minutes out. He's on his way. He's on his way. All right, cool. Next thing I know, dog is there. Somebody come from getting me. They're like, hey, man, they said the bus smells like gasoline. And I'm like, what? I go in the bus, man, and it smelled like a gas leak. So much that dog was afraid to smoke. You know it must be bad if dog is not going to smoke. So that night, bro, I almost killed Snoop by putting this dude in that bus. So literally, I sent him home in my bus. And I got home with my people. And the bus, when they were taking his bus back to the yard, it caught on fire. No way. So on my YouTube channel, I got the whole story of the night I almost killed Snoop Dogg. And you know how Snoop do his GG'ing, his interviews? Man, I don't know who did his research. Everything was wrong. My man, you know dog man, so man man, cause you wrote a book. Tell me about this book man. What made you write a book? I'm like dog, I wrote that book 10 years ago. Oh, okay. All right. Everything, everything was wrong, man. You got a little dog. Oh, shit. That's good. We just had Big Boy not too long, and he shared a story that had us rolling, kind of rolling after the fact, after we was laughing. But he said, you almost had a real accident when he rented you a van. This nigga tried to kill me, man. Explain what happened. That's when that nigga was fat, big boy. When he wasn't the in-shape big boy right now. Real quick, did you see the story we had with the two guns underneath his stomach? No, that nigga had two guns under his stomach. Bro, we're gonna show you the story. Go ahead, finish your story. So this nigga, he been fucking with me for years. I love him to death, so I'm fucking with y'all while talking about him like this, but I love him. This is my nigga, right? So he fucking with me every year. Snoop, my birthday, man. I got a birthday. When is your birthday, cuh? It's in September. Oh, nigga, I coach football. Nigga, I don't leave my kids, nigga. I love you and your birthday, but fuck you, nigga. Them kids more important. So he just keep telling me it's his birthday, it's his birthday. So one year, his birthday fall on a day where it ain't no game. And the football is on pause for this week. We made it to the playoffs or something. So I'm like, all right, nigga, I'm going to do it for you, cuh. Send me that motherfucking, he got a Sprinter van that he was riding in, but it was like a handicap van that he has hooked up. Send me that motherfucking handicap van you be riding in, nigga with the beat in the back. Boom. We at the house waiting. I got about 15 homies with me. Van pull up. It ain't the one that he be in. It's a real nigga. Niggas in the window with the helmet on. Bus. One of them. I'm like, you want us to ride in this? So I'm like, fuck it. We're going to get in, let's roll. We jump in. Soon as we get in there, I'm like, I smell gas. I'm like, real gas, nigga, like Chevron, like 76, nigga, Arco. High octane. Nigga, like, Chevron. Nigga, like, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. Nigga, don't you dare blade, nigga. I said, nigga, don't nobody smoke nothing. I'm smart, nigga. I'm like, nigga, I smell gas, nigga. No, don't nobody smoke nothing. I tell all the homies, give me the lighters. Take all the lighters, put them in the bag. like they was little kids. Put them in the back. Boom. We ride, nigga. All while we ride, niggas are doing all this shit. Niggas are like, damn, cuz, it's gas. That nigga woozy, huh? We get to the motherfucking thing, nigga, and jump out. I don't even cuss big boy out. I just like, cuz, look, smell the woo-wop. It smell like gas, cuz. He get up in there, he smell. He like, yeah, it do smell like gas. I'm gonna let you use my van on the way back. So I'm like, cool. So we perform, jump in his van and go back. Nigga, the van we was in, That motherfucker blew up. Oh, man. It blew up, nigga, when we got out like 20 minutes after. And my house was like an hour and 20 minutes. So, nigga, we'd have been in the back blowing up. And this nigga said, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Oh, shit. I'm sorry. That motherfucker blew all the way up, nigga. I'm not playing. He got footage of it, nigga. It's on full fire, nigga. Like nobody was getting out of that. It was a handicap, you know what a handicap band got extra locks in shit. They can't get out. They can't get out. They can't lock everything up. Locks and space. I'm like, damn, co. Windows, everything locked. Oh, shit. Thanks, big boy. I love you, co. Right. We got a legend in the building. Yes. Doggy style. What was it like helping be a part of that project? It was great being in Doggy Stats because I was producing more. I was writing more. Just learning more. You know, they knew our face then. You know what I'm saying? And then that's when John Singleton came to us and he wanted us to do poetic justice. And we did the song, Niggas Don't Give a Fuck. And that was the first Dog Pound song. Because me and Corrupt was solo. I was that nigga dance. He was Corrupt the Kingpin. And then we was getting high, you know what I'm saying? Looking at the moon one night, like, damn. We call ourselves the Dog Pound. Cause we lived in the dog, that was the thing in my house, the Dog Pound. And then all the niggas that we had the Dog Pound gang. But we didn't have a group to Dog Pound. So I'm like, nigga, we gonna become the Dog Pound. And that next day when we was high thinking that shit, drunk and shit, looking at the moon and shit, and the moon moving and shit. John Singleton came up and we did that song the next day. It was solidified. I mean, you had your hand in a ton of hits. What was that one when you heard on the radio, the LA radio wave the first time you were like, damn. Got my mind on my money and my money on my mind. Gin and juice. You know what I'm saying? Hearing your voice, but just being on Tangeray and Blunts and just being on the chronic and then what would you do? We got nominated, that was a diss song. And nominated for a Grammy, didn't you? Yeah, we got nominated for a Grammy for that. and me and Corrupt took our mothers to the Grammys. It was our date. Oh yeah. What, you finish? You can finish? That's it, you know, we just took our mothers to the Grammys and got the, you know, but Bone Thugs won it, you know what I'm saying? But that's who we was feud with back then, but we best of friends now. Shout out to Bone Thugs, you know what I mean? A Boy The Rim soundtrack, Dog Pond for Life. You did that beat? Yeah, I did that beat. That bitch hard. Yeah, boom, boom, boom, boom. That shit crazy. Yeah, and then I did it. The butter room soundtrack. Big Pimpin' 2, yeah. Big Pimpin' 2, yeah. I heard, I wanna say I heard you tell it or someone tell it. You and Snoop got into some shit one time just kind of wrestling around and he shot up your equipment. Yeah, we got into it. Talk to us about that. Little cousin in the room talking shit. I'm talking shit. And I think I put him in the headlock or something like that. And then you came in there and shot my drum and shit. These 380s we just bought. And then I went in there and shot the TV up, he just bought. You know, he had one of them big ass TVs and then we just went in there smoked a blunt afterwards all day. Did y'all produce, didn't y'all create Ain't No Fun right after that? Yup. We went somewhere and they took the disc out the drum machine and gave it to Dr. Dre. And then I came back in, they had Ain't No Fun done. Do I get my credit for it? Right. I'm still fighting for that right now. It's just stuff that only we know. You know what I'm saying? Talk to us about Ain't No Fun, No. Yeah. Ain't No Fun. The homies can't have nothing, you know. Boom, boom, boom. Got that off of Cameo. I was sampling Cameo. Okay. And then they just took that baseline one-on-one. Dr. Drake did what he did. And Nate Dogg coming in. And when I met you, it was over. Rest in peace to Nate Dogg. You know what I'm saying? We've been through a lot. What you gonna do? You really don't know. So why advise you not to trust that ho? Silly of me to fall in love with you bitch. No one down the road when she caught up with my grim. Now the sun rotates and my game grows bigger. How many bitches wanna fuck this nigga named Snoop? Doggy, I'm all the above. I'm too swift on my toes to get caught up with you hoes. Hold up. Hey. Hold up Snoop. And we perform that every time, man. You know what I'm saying? They be like, man, we grew up on y'all, man. You know? And we just be like, damn, I'm that old? You know what I'm saying? But I still feel young. You know what I'm saying? I eat my vegetables, fruit. You know what I'm saying? Get the sun. I better get y'all some sun, too, because that's a part of life. That's a blessing, your music time. Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter Podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives. And I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius, like are misunderstood. A sun and Venus in Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms on different houses in different places, but just an embracing of the is-ness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart-side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real life, this episode is a must-listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. NLP, aka Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness. 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I'm Amanda Knox and in the new podcast Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was No voicing of any skepticism or doubt It'll cause so much harm at every single level if the British establishment of this is wrong Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years, only two people knew the truth. Until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You got Wiz Khalifa in the building today? You know, like I said, Cam's my favorite rapper, like as far as like lyricism and swag and shit like that. But Snoop is probably the person who I model myself after the most. I would watch him just walk in a room and just be like, wow, that's really that nigga. You know what I mean? And to see that, respect that, I do a lot of research. I watch a lot of documentaries and backstage, stuff like that. So I would watch him on the road and be like, man, I just want to hype man for that nigga or I just want to just be the young homie. Then it's like, yo, I would just roll weed for that nigga if I could just be next to him. Rob Markman That's how we would. We just want to smoke with him. Rob Markman Yeah, I would do anything. I feel like there's a lot of people who feel like that, but to really put those intentions out there and then to see it happen. Snoop took me in under his wing immediately when I moved out here to LA. One of the first things he did was get a crib around the corner from my spot. We're going to record at this studio. yo, we're going to shoot this movie, we're going to make this album. The grind. Yeah, man. It was like, damn, like instantly. It wasn't like, yo, we're going to get high and fucking eat junk food all day. It was like, yo, it's time to make a moment out of this. So that's what I mean by I model myself after him because I see his position in the game and still how hard he works and what he does. and um yeah just moving forward it was like yo i'm on tour with this nigga i get to share the stage with him every night like he goes challenging each other too yeah i was about to say he goes i go i go he go and like the crowd's partying and of course i know his motherfucking words because i'm a fan like everybody y'all are any fan like would get up there and sing that shit with all of their heart. So that was the most gratifying. Rob Markman Yeah, I would do another Mac and Devin. Me and Matt need to be in that. Rob Markman Yeah, for sure. We're going to do one. Rob Markman We need to be in that. Rob Markman We've been writing it for years. He got shit going on, I got shit going on. So we just got to get in the room and really make that shit happen. But our executive produced a whole album for him that we're going to put out. Of course, we're going to do the soundtrack for Mac and Devin too. And yeah, we'll throw y'all in the movie. Tell me how instrumental in your life he was, though. So it sounds like he taught you your grind, you modeled, you know, someone you modeled your game after. But how instrumental was he? You saying that? Like, just explain to everyone how important he was in your journey through this space. Oh, so Snoop is fucking rare, especially in the rap game, for the simple fact that there's nobody currently who can say that they have their second coming of them. Who's successful, killing it, went on tour with them. Everybody kind of competes or hides the keys to the game and doesn't really show the homies what's really good. But Snoop will put me onto plays. He'll be meeting with the dude from Raising Canes and be like, you know who y'all need to get in business with? Wiz. And he'll call me, FaceTime me. Yo, Wiz, I'm sitting here with the nigga from Raising Canes right now. That's how we are. Rob Markman, Bro, that's crazy, bro. That's real ass shit. A lot of people in this business won't do that. And to have a big homie who's not only a legend, but isn't scared to put you up on game and bring you up, use his platform- But it's not a competition. No, none of that. All positive reinforcement. And we chop it up, bro. You've been to the compound. We just show up to the compound. We smoke. If you need to get away from the house or whatever it is, just go kick it. Just go kick it in the mothership. It's a vibe. Yeah. So, yeah, he's been very instrumental in just my sanity. In life. I mean, he's been through everything. I mean, for me to be such a big fan, then meeting me at UCLA and then us become friends. When you really look up to someone and then get in this space, it's just like you have such a long journey, but it's just like, damn, that's Snoop. We're doing charity football games together, and he knows my kids. It's just like you kind of have to pinch yourself sometimes because he is just so cool and welcoming and how a real OG should be. So I do this thing. We perform at amphitheaters, and in any amphitheater, there's the VIP. That's the seats. there's the uh like the pit like that's the the most and then there's the lawn in the back that's like the cheaper seats um the most people are actually in the lawn though right but if you're ever in the lawn and you watch the show you either got to look up at the screen the whole time but yeah you just got to look at the screen the whole time because the actual person the performer is like this fucking big you can't fucking see them and i was always in the lawn when i was you know attending a concert. So this was, the idea that I came up being on stage was like, what if we put another stage back there by the lawn and I could run from up here back there and go perform like a few songs for them and shit. So that's what I usually do during my tour. So I'm up on stage halfway through, we'll black it out, put some shit on the screen and I'll run over and then they'll hit the lights and then boom, I'm in the lawn. Yeah, and they're going crazy. I'm doing this shit with Snoop And he's like, yo, what the fuck? He's like, first of all, I've never done no shit like this in my motherfucking life. Second of all, we got about a minute, less than a minute to get all the way up there. I'm trying to run up here. He's like, bruh, he's like, I'm a little bit older than you feel. Right, straight up. But he sucked it up, and we did it, and we killed it. What's the one piece, the best piece of advice he ever gave you? Best piece of advice he ever gave me was probably just to be myself, keep doing me. He's like, you know, you're going to be around. And he refers to himself as Snoop Dogg. He's like, you're going to chill around Snoop Dogg, but don't be like Snoop Dogg. Nigga, be Wiz. Nigga, I love you because you Wiz. You motherfucking rock star. You work hard. You do this, you do that. You fuck with this audience. You fuck with that audience. He's like, always keep that. Never change it. Never give it up. The one and only Cam. Yo, so we used to go to Fashion Week, and everybody do that shit now, the Met Gala and all types. Dane was in that shit for years, going to all that shit, fashion for years and years and years. And I knew that I was trying to do something to stand out. And I'm like, back then, like I said, there wasn't no internet or none of that shit. Dane Big Thing was like, we got to make Page Six. If you made Page Six in the post, that means you was there with Leonardo DiCaprio, Donald Trump, whoever order most famous people made page six of the post. And I'm like, what the fuck am I going to do to make page six? So they had this store called Harlem Signature that had all the fly shit in there. And I was like, yeah, this is it. I seen that shit. They had the headband at the pink motherfucking flip phone. I say, yeah, I'm making page six tomorrow, nigga. And that's really the moral story and that shit kinda took a life of its own. And you know, people be like, yo Kim, bring the pink coat, bring the pink coat. Like, I be on some asshole time pause. Like, they wanted me to bring the pink coat. They want me to bring the pink coat somewhere like, three years ago, like, yo, we'll pay you to bring the pink coat. So I'm like, all right, it need car service though. The pink coat up. I have my own car service, but it need car service. I started doing wild shit because niggas are so infatuated with the pig. I make that shit have his own car service. Somebody pick it up. You still got it? I got one of them, but I don't have the main one. I just got it. I don't want to say, yeah, I let the person talk about it, but I just got rid of the main one. I always had a backup, but the main, main one is going. I still got the stunt double. That's one of the... For rappers, a lot of rappers didn't use that style for a video on Halloween. These kids, everybody dressed like... Every Halloween. Babies or grandmothers. I get tagged in on type... Nah, I get tagged in on type of shit every single Halloween about that pink coat. They had a little baby wrapped in cotton candy I think the shit was. Trying to look like the pink coat and all that shit. Look like cotton candy to me. I don't know what the shit is. Welcome to the show, D.O.C. A few months after your album, you hit album, you get into the accident. Can you walk us through that night? That's a couple of days. Over a weekend. Saturday and Sunday. Direct happens. November the 11th. 3.33. It was just the anniversary. Yeah. 35th anniversary just the other day. I had been shooting videos over, two videos over that weekend, a video for a song called Beautiful But Deadly and a video to a song called A Formula. And because it was so much work, I was falling asleep a lot. somebody was around that offered me something that would help me stay, stay away. Probably a very old story. And I accepted that. And, and 24 hours later, that accident happened. 24 hours later? 24 hours later. I, uh, I took the stuff. I went home, which was Dre's house. at the time. And Dre said, nigga, you need to take your ass to sleep. I said, okay. And then he went to the store, but my insides was just racing. I couldn't go to sleep. So when he left, I left. And now I'm in LA in the streets all day, drinking and smoking and doing what those boys do. And by the time I finally set up, I want to go home and go to sleep, was 2 o'clock, almost 2 o'clock. The next day, I still haven't been asleep, so I'm on my way home, just didn't make it. But I got to say this, Ken Fo, everything in my life is purposeful, including that accident. Now, I had to go through a lot of bottles, a lot of drugs and depression to find my way back to who I am today. But it was 2020. I had been clean and sober for about eight years. G.O.D. came to me and I worked my way back up to a decent living. I could provide for my boys and anything a good man would want to do, I was doing. I didn't have what my contemporaries had. I didn't have certainly what Dre and Snoop them had, but I had peace of mind. you know and god came and he he said uh you could let go of that pain huge he said that you didn't do that i did that you weren't responsible for that i was and uh i did it for a purpose and you're about to walk in that purpose it was a couple months after that um i decided to do the documentary You know, and everything since then has been on a slow incline. And I think, like I said, 2025 is going to be the year I step back out there on that ass. And by the time the world show up in DFW in 2026, I'm going to be back on my throne. Yes, sir. You know, man, yeah. Cause you know the World Cup is coming here in 26. So I'm gonna have my little old jingle bag ready to get that dollar from everybody to get off the plane. Understand me? Yes, sir. That's good business. Would you say in a way that accident saved your life in the long run? Absolutely. You know, I was on a one way ticket to shit, to some goddamn way, but wherever I was going, I didn't know. Like I said, I was out of my head. You know, I thought I was the greatest rapper of all time. Can't tell me nothing. I got a six-foot-three, 320-pound bodyguard basically with me that said, if I come in the club and slap you upside the head, I can just do that and move out the way. And I did that a few times. It was bad for a while, bro. But GLD got a way of putting you in your space and in your place. And like I said, all that stuff was purposeful so that I could understand and give back to these babies that's out there now that think that's the way. It's not the way, man. Somebody said before your accident, the DLC, if he didn't have an accident, he would have been the best rapper ever. How do you feel when you hear those words? Well, I think they're right. You know, and look, don't count me out. Because I still vote for me. You know what I mean? Like in order for, they had verses. In order for you to do a verses against me, you would have had to have made one record and then get your voice taken away from you. And then come back 35 years later and make another one. Now you can go head up with me. Other than that, you're fighting amongst yourselves. I'm, you know, I don't want to say I'm above that as if I'm better than anybody, but I'm no longer in competition with you boys. I support all of you. Confidence is not arrogance. Yes. You got to believe in yourself, of course. I believe in God and God believe in me. Yeah. Otherwise I'd have been gone. When your voice went away, did your pen pick up and get more potent? My pen always been my pen. ain't never lost nothing. It's still him today. Yeah. Because Cube say in his song, it's my ego. It's a new record he got out. He said, I was Kendrick before Kendrick. Now you talking about the subject matter, but them cadences, I was Kendrick. Yeah. You know what I mean? And when Kendrick put out, they not like us. Man, it took me two days to write some shit behind that energy that he made me feel. And I can't wait to record this shit. And now the Dre's gone awkward. Come on now. Get it out. Don't do it. I want to back cut a little bit, though, because take me through how mentally tough it was for you to drop something, goddammit, that is number one in the country, number one album in the country, and then taking your voice away, and as you see your brothers continue to do their thing. So I also read one time that, you know, obviously their wins were your wins, but how hard mentally was it that you couldn't do it? Man, I don't think it. Imagine, was it the second year Mike tore his... Broke his ankle? That's the second year. Imagine Michael Jordan tore his knee up and couldn't play no more. How do you think he would... Might not be here. You know what I'm saying? Right. So that's where I was at. God dang. I was in a space where I didn't know what the fuck to do. And the only thing I had was giving it to those guys. That kept me alive. Snoop says it in the documentary. And he was right on point with that. Being big brother to Rage and RBX and Doggy and Dazz and Corrupt and even G-Dub. that shit kept me alive. The GOAT, Tung Chit Lee. How did the Lighter flick come about? Shit, man, you know how it smoke. Yeah. No, it's literally, it's on God. I would not lie to you, bro. It's not a trademark. It's not a... Because if it was, we'd have it synced up already, and I wouldn't even have to do it. You know what I mean? So if you are listening to it, you can listen to every single one. It's different. And the answer is simple and plain. If you're a Wayne fan, you already got to know that I'm about to smoke during the verse. I'm lighting up for the verse. Cheers. Cheers. Yeah, it's no other. Cheers, let's go. It's not a trademark. That shit became classic. Yeah, it's not a... Hold on, let me make sure I get my... Nah. It's to the point where when motherfuckers hear it for the song, they be like, oh, shit, it's been a go-down. It's been a go-down. I feel like that, too, when I hear that. I done heard a few flicks on some other songs, and you're not delivering like I deliver, so stop doing that shit. Yeah, man. I got a question. Obviously, you have to listen to your music. When do you want to hear it, and when don't you want to hear it? I want to hear it all the time, and I don't want to hear it never. Never? So all the time? I don't listen to no one else. Oh, okay. Yeah, but I'm always listening to what I just did when I'm trying to fix and shit. Okay. So it's not by choice that I don't hear. When I say no one else, I mean not even my own artist. So I always like to get that out there when I say that. I don't listen to no one else. Like, G.U. got to literally text me, yo, this is such and such new single. and the video. Oh, shit, they got a video to it? Damn, I ain't knowing that motherfucker. It's awesome right there. He killed that shit. He killed that shit. I might listen to the first four bars. Ooh, he went on what he said on the first line. Ooh, he texts back to you. Ooh, that nigga said. Get back to my shit real quick. That's the only reason I'm just telling you. I'm a perfectionist trying to make sure that I should have said is. you should have probably said duh you probably shouldn't even say that type of shit gotcha what do you think 2004 what do you think the Carter did for your career at the time I think it was the start of it was the start of a path I was able to create you know what I mean a path of a path that deserved continuous, deserved a continuation, a path that deserved to extend. That's hard for some people. Some people could drop a hard-ass album and I don't want to hear the rest. You know what I mean? I ain't looking for your next album, but the card that allowed me to, now we want to hear card two. We want to hear card three. So I always looked at it like it was a maturity thing for me. Like, it was my little, for some reason, we always approach, you know, this for the card. Like, you know, whatever, anytime we working on, obviously, you know, I work all day, every day. So when we get one that's, you know, it's for the card, and it's nothing about it. You can feel it. Yeah, so it's like, so what makes this for the card? So obviously, it sets a standard. I set a standard with that album. Yeah, exactly. A big standard. Mixtape Wayne. I mean, that was unbelievable. You know, after the card of one and two, what was the thing behind just that whole T told me to do this by the way T told me to do this by the way T stood yeah the two E T what you saying what was that just what was the what was the whole thought process behind the mixtape push the first ones you know the first one I did was just getting the okay from Baby that him telling me it's okay like I could put out this music that he was okay he was all good shit so that was the first one i put out i think like 10 000 bars and they start calling the mixtapes and whatever we was giving that out free so that was actually the thing about wayne shit wayne's always free wayne's always free so don't blame me that y'all didn't switch the game up on me y'all flipped it up to me too much now that i actually got a charge off my mixtapes now so don't blame me blame the game but uh but yeah so as far as you know and my approach to mixtapes was always different i always thought a mixtape was supposed to be and i still do i still do my mixtapes that way i thought it was supposed to be you wanting to hear me on the songs that's out that i'm not on you know what i mean like 10 10 hot ass songs that you're in the club banging terry day or whatever i'm about to kill them bitches for you you know what i mean i thought that's what and i'm a i'm a rabbit i'm gonna say the same melodies the person used i've about a good two seconds but I'm gonna flip some words and shit like make it fun interesting and I always thought that's what it should be and so something that's why that that's how I attack my mixtapes and that's how I always have but now mixtapes have changed I didn't people be looking for full album so you drop in the mixtape mm-hmm and so got in them you having to make sure you're and let me imagine I'm gonna make sure you got to do at least three or four just originals like Mac man this is my album or this for something but nah this is what the game is about now yeah welcome to show too short short you survived uh every era of hip-hop to say to be honest um what do you think was the golden age of hip-hop or if you would say it was a golden age well we know they have an actual golden era that's labeled late 80s early 90s that's supposed to be the purest form of hip-hop when it was young in the commercial stages and everything was original yeah everybody was a one-off um man all these eras were fun like like that era is how i got in the game just being too short on my own lane but the next one that came in with the bling bling we all got money that shit was fun i was living in atlanta that It was fun. And fucking, who got the most shit fun? And then, you know, the Y2K pass and then the new millennium came in. The shit started getting my space out and shit. You know, it was on the bay. We was high feet up. And Lil Jon and them was crunked up. It was doing it, man. I was just about to ask you not to cut you off. Speak to you meeting Lil Jon. Because a lot of people don't understand you was the first. But at this time, I'm an OG, bro. I'm an OG in the 90s. Where they like, what up, OG? You know what I'm saying? I've been there. And fucking I coming on the West and this hyphy is brewing Like early 2000s hyphy brewing And fucking it just a whole new energy for me man I had already been in pocket with Lil Jon when the hyphy came along. Lil Jon literally had did a show or something he did. He was in Oakland for something in the Bay. And he called me. He was like, man, I'm in the Bay. And they got this shit out here called hyphy. He's like, bro, we got to do some of this shit. He came back hyped up on this shit. And so, prior, you want to know the Lil Jon story? Lil Jon is in about, what, the, I don't know, the mid-90s? He's an employee at So So Deaf, and he's over there producing songs. I think one of the ones I always remember is that My Boo song. Somebody sing it, I don't know. My Boo. I can't sing, so, you know. Not to usher My Boo song. Nope, it's a... All night, baby, all day I think of you. Come on, Smoke. So So Def based All-Stars. Go stand for DJ. Thank you. So Lil Jon produced them kind of beats for So So Def. He worked for Jermaine Dupri. He got an office over there and shit. But he's also a DJ around Atlanta. And the nigga's a pretty good damn DJ. So I was a fan of Lil Jon the DJ. I always was at the fucking clubs. And when he DJed, it was just different. He started DJing and he's playing records, but he's talking. And then next thing you know, he got the crowd saying shit. It turned into a fucking concert by a DJ. And then he put this record out. Who you with? Get crunk. Who you with? Who you with? Just a bunch of fucking chants. To the flow. Get in love. To the flow. And I pull up on him. And I'm like, bro, you need to let me do a remix to that. Like put some raps on it. And he's like, nah, nah, that song already came and went. He's like, let's make some new shit. So he pulled up to my studio one day and left me a song that ended up being a couldn't be a better player. And he left the song. I wasn't there when he came. He just left his fucking song, tracked out on the machines. He sat there. I don't know if he mailed them. Fuck, it was just there. So I put some raps on it, got it back to him. We liked it. We went to go shoot the video and shit. The song blew up. and then um he's he's um in a situation with an independent label in atlanta a label that was an associate of mine i knew the god i did some business with him um he was cool we had no what no wasn't no friction or nothing but he said little john owed him some money and he just no fuck little john little john was like he's shady whatever the fuck whatever it was It was a dispute. Fuck him. So they was on Fuck You for life. So I just stepped in and was like, bro, how much money is it? I've got some business going on with Lil Jon. I can't, you know, this, whatever. Broke him off on some homie shit and then fucking came to Lil Jon. I was like, you're free to go. And I could have signed Lil Jon to my label, but I knew who he was. We had already did a couple songs that blew the fuck up because of him. he went out there oh yeah oh yeah don't worry about it just gonna get gonna stretch Lil Jon was the kind of dude who had a network with the DJs so he could break a record and he had been doing that for So So Def and he did that for his couple of singles that he had and shit as well as the song that he had with me so instead of me going oh you under me now let's roll I was just like bro you free to go man and all I asked for in return was beats I was just I want beats I knew the nigga had them beats. So for life, the nigga was just sliding me hits, like just for life. And then the greatest shit ever, he slid me Shake That Monkey, which lasts forever. And the very next year, he gave me Blow The Whistle. And I'm like, you know, thank you, sir. And then he proceeded to make some of the best hyphy beats ever. Like he did Tell Me When To Go. he didn't want to keep the sneaks yeah shit he was he was he was doing it like I just want to help snap the shit the same as me and 40 but you know that those are the type of things man when you're coming up in the game yeah it might be with a younger player a younger coach or something and you fucking help somebody along the way and then they turn around and they're in a position to help you and it's just this shit is just way better than going through life going give me my Like, you know, I'm the motherfucking one. You just kind of got to have a little humble to it, man. And when you recognize somebody with a game, you just give them a stepping stone, give them some more game, give them a chance, give them opportunity or something. Welcome to the show, Master P. How did No Limit come about, like the record label? How did it blow like that? It ain't blow at first. Right. I was opening act for Tupac. Mm-hmm. you know, by me being from the South. Nobody would never know that. They just opened up a two-hour. I was the opening act. But I started on the road. What year? Like, around what time was this? That was... Early 2000s, early 90s? Nah, because he passed in 96, I believe. So this was like right them two years before that. Like, I was the opening act owner. So the guy, the white guy who announced me be Mr. Peter Country Singer, because I'm from New Orleans. Man, that's the first time I wanted to fight this old man. I'm like, bro, look, you do that again. Well, fuck you up. Mr. P. Who chance gets from Mr. P from New Orleans? And so, you know, I got his mind right. And I'm out there performing, right? And I'm singing Body, Body. And one dude, I don't know if he was drunk or whatever, he was bouncing with me. Bounce, bounce, bounce. I walked off the stage, $20 people to him, gave him a no limit to you. I said, you like that? He said, man, I love that. Whoop, whoop, whoop. My brother said, why are you so happy? I said, I got one. He said, one of what? I said, a fan. I said, I'm going to turn that one into a million. And we walked off. I get on the bus with Tupac and them. Man, I mean, they was just good dudes to me. Like every time I was around them, they cared about people. Like for Eazy to take me down to the radio station. You know what I'm saying? Like that was love. But he seen my hustle and my drive. I was ready to go. I went any hood, whatever. That's what he was, a hustler. Yeah. Yeah. So I show up with my cassettes. You know, I don't know nothing about out here with the gangbanging and stuff. I'm trying to sell my CDs, you know. Dude, I'm like, man, where you from? What you got? I said, man, I'm from New Orleans, man. He said, what you selling? I said, I'm selling a CD. He said, you know where you at? And I say, no, sir. He said, I'm just trying to sell a CD and make it. He said, man, how much do you want? I said, I want $20. He said, man, I'll give you a 10. I seen the gun. I'm like, I'll take the 10. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and that's when like, he was like, man, some of these places you can't go. But I wasn't used to that. I'm from the South. He's no wing. We move around. Yeah, we move around. We don't really know that. And it's like, you know, that's when I start really understanding the neighborhood. The culture. Yeah, the culture. and stuff. Because even in the Bay, the Bay was different. The Bay, we were just hustlers out there. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't like, it wasn't like, it wasn't like, it wasn't like, it wasn't like, man, we go to the car show, turn up, you know what I'm saying? Go to festival at the lake. The lake. You know? The lake. Yeah. So, nah, man, but it's knowing those different cultures and then taking that and getting on the road with it. So I think that was my biggest strength. Like I said, showing up, going to Every Hood. I went to New York, Chicago, Texas. I just started showing up. I mean, I started watching other people. At that time, Rap-A-Lot was so big. I studied they movement. You know, Swab House was so big. I'm like, man, Big Drake. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, but we celebrate each other. We don't do that now, man. We jealous of each other. Somebody on it. I say we have to change that narrative. I think the young people got to go back, and that's what I love about the TV series I'm about to put out. so they could see how I celebrated Uncle Luke. I celebrated, you know, Jay and all those dudes. I mean, I celebrated them because they came before me. Right. Wasn't no hate. Nah, it wasn't no legal. Inspiration. Yeah, that's what it's about. Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter Podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. 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I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth. for 22 years only two people knew the truth until a confession changed everything I was a monster listen to Burden of Guilt season 2 on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Legend in the game, Busta Rhymes. Legend. What's it going to be with the lovely Miss Janet Jackson? Again, Busta Rhymes on some calm shit. I just combined it with the speed rap. But that song came about as a result of Janet touring for the Velvet Rope album that she did. she was on hot 97 with angie martinez at the time when angie was there before she went to power 105 and she was doing an interview with angie and i'm driving from long island to the city and at the time i owned a toyota forerunner it was my second whip that i ever had it's 98 i also had a benz and I didn't drive the Benz this particular day because I was in a rush and I had 20s on the Benz and I was always running into a situation where you hit a pothole. It's over with. It was the most annoying shit ever. You kept them clean though. So Angie asks Janet what rappers have she never worked with that she would like to work with? She said, Bust the Rhymes, nigga. I almost crashed my shit. I pulled over. And I'm on the Bell Parkway. I pulled over and I immediately called Mona Scott Young from Violator. And I said, Mona, you need to get in touch with Janet now. She's at High 97. She said she want to work with Bust the Motherfucking Rhymes and tell her I got the perfect song for her. and I ain't have no song. Mm-hmm. So we had to find a song, and a brother named D. Light produced the record, and he got a young lady, I forget her name, to write the hook, pen the hook for Janet. When I heard it, I fell in love with this shit immediately because nothing had sounded like it at the time on the radio, And it was something that it actually plays into me being able to speed rap on it perfectly. So I immediately got the record. Mona got in touch with Janet, sent it to Janet. I didn't write the rhymes yet. We pick a, we pick a, she picks the studio session. And it's somewhere in a different state from New York. And we go to the studio. and I researched everything that Janet likes, what type of flowers she liked, what type of candles she liked, what the fragrances is that she liked, and we dressed the fucking studio up exactly with all of the shit that she likes. Her security came. They advanced their shit. They walked around, searched every fucking room like they was screening and looking for fucking wiretaps and bugs everywhere. Some president shit. This was probably like three, four hours before she showed up. And then when the queen showed up, I gave her a nice brief greeting, hugged her, asked if she needed anything, and left her with the track with all the vocals on it for her to sing them over. And I bounced. I ain't even want to be around her long enough to do some shit wrong. I'm not fucking this moment. Right. Not even by accident. Right. Pume ain't nothing faster than Pume, my nigga. Right. Fuck about the room. I got the fuck about it here. Ain't nothing faster than Pume. Nothing faster than Pume. Yo, I went in another room next door, and I wrote all the verses, and then I spit them. then I came back and I let the engineer import it in a session we vibed listened to it a couple of times she was happy I was super bugging out couldn't believe this moment was real and then when it came video shoot time and that Terminator 2 movie came out and I saw that shit I said yeah this is all that liquidy make you wet shit wet dream all that talk called Hype Williams. I said, this is what we doing, big bro. Called Sylvia Rone. I was scared to have that conversation because when Hype sent the budget back, that shit was $2.4 million for that video. Damn. Most expensive hip-hop video ever shot to this day. And that was in fucking 98. I was about to say, can you imagine that? Terminated $2 million. And fucking Titanic. the special effects company that did the Titanic movie was called Digital Domain. They did the effects for that video. OD overcharging niggas because they won all them fucking Oscars for the Titanic movie at that time. So there was no negotiating with them. You just got robbed. I mean, the finished product was phenomenal. but it's so funny when you compare the prices to the shit that they charged me then to amazing shit that I'm able to do now. Of course, times is different and technology advanced a lot, but it was crazy when you did the research to find out what the fuck they was charging you for. Why was they charging you like that later on? Not too long after neither. I would say two, three years ago. I just was starting to be really confused about why did I get charged like this? And you know, we was getting so much money, we didn't even care, man. It was like, fuck a royalty. You know, we getting publishing deal money, millions, and we getting touring millions, and we getting all type of other shit. It was just like, whatever. But again, that was an unbelievable moment. And Janet, by the time we got time to shoot the video, all of that nervous shit was out the window because now I'm right in front of the camera. I got to make it look like that's my wife. That wasn't hard. That wasn't hard at all. That's the easy part. No word is born. That's right. Nah, but big up to Janet Jackson. 2023 was the first time that we got to perform that record. Together. Together in 25 years, because last year was the 25th anniversary of that song and that album. So thank you to Janet for bringing me out at the Garden, where I was able to celebrate 25 year anniversary of that song in my backyard in New York. And I tried to recreate the whole environment in the studio because after the song, I brought all of them flowers in the same shit that we had in the stew. That's dope. On stage to give her her flowers. Yeah. Word. Welcome to the show, Dane Dash. Kanye West, actually 18 years ago, Kyle's dropout dropped. But before that, thoughts on him when you met him? Did you see it in him right away? Mm-mm. I didn't see that one coming to us. I thought he could make good beats just like a Just Blaze or, you know, other producers. and, you know, I didn't see him as a rapper. I really still don't. I think he's the best producer that could rap, but I know he wants to be a rapper. You know what I'm saying? But no, I didn't know that he was going to do that. When he broke his jaw, that's when I knew he was going to do that, when he came back way through the wire. But really Biggs had brought that to my attention, like, yo, I think we should pay attention to Kanye. it. And what was happening was the Young Guns had a single out, Can't Stop. And that shit was going crazy on the radio. And I was trying to put Kanye's out just because at the time, Biggs was trying to get more involved because that's what Jay was beefing about. So he was doing all this shit. He was like, yo, let's focus on this dude. And I went to Lior and was like, yo, I'm going to put out Kanye. And he was like, no, we're going to focus on such and such. And I was like, all right, I'll take him someplace else. So I had so much work. I had deals with Atlantic, with Roccafella Atlantic, and Roccafella Sony as well. Emile was there. I forgot what the fuck was over there. But anyway, and then you saw what they did, Cam and Jimmy, and Jimmy with Koch. I just had so much work that I just wasn't even exclusive. So I was taking him to Atlantic. And I forgot, was it Craig Cole? No, it wasn't Craig. It was whoever it was, was giving me the same kind of dumb shit as Def Jam. And I was like, fuck it. I'll just put it out through here. And he started to catch fire and they had no choice. But, you know, I didn't know Kanye was going to do what he did today. I thought that we were going to be able to leverage him. Like, to me, Kanye was the guy that could knock at the door, and they were going to let him in, and then all of us were going to run in. Because, you know, he was wearing a different thing going, you know. But I didn't know that he was going to do what he did and be so consistent. And I didn't know that he had such work. I knew he had work ethic because I was impressed, but, you know, even looking at how he is now, you know, he's on 100. Like, he really deserves everything that he has because he does work that hard. His whole, he's dedicated his whole life to it. We got a very special guest today, Shaq. I never wanted to be an actor, never wanted to be a rapper. But I'm sitting in the Four Seasons Hotel and the guy says, hey man, I'm a Hollywood producer, here's my card. Doing a movie called Blue Chips. Think you should do it. Man, I'm not a good, I don't, I've never acted in my life. What you got to do is play basketball, play yourself. Nah, we're going to give you $3 million. How much? You said what? I'll do it. So just playing, you know, and that's how I met Penny. You know, everything happens for a reason. The same thing with the rap thing. When I first get drafted, I was sitting in your halls, bucking me. Yo, man, why don't you be on the show? I don't want to be like everybody else. I don't want to go get no $1,500 suit, talk to me. I said, let me do that and then let me rap at the end. So I did something with Fushnickens. My agent called me and said, man, he's not going to believe this. I said, what? He said, Jive will offer you a three-album deal of $10 million. I'm taking that. Why not? Yeah, but then I meet with Jive. I said, look, nobody wants to hear me rap by myself. Let me rap with all my favorite people. So as a kid, I was on Punish, man. It's like a dream come true. Yeah. Look, I don't have them dead. Snoop, Peter Gunz, Lord Tariq, Nas, Jay-Z, Fat Joe, Michael Jackson. You ever been a chance to rap with Big? Yes. You Can't Stop the Rain. That's right. That's the hardest one. That's what it was about. It ain't about being, like, because you know rappers don't make no money. You got to be Travis Scott to make money. Yeah, like cuz I went platinum and I got a check for a million dollars. I was like, what is this? Mm-hmm But you know I had the commitment so I don't know. I'm the only one. Huh? I'm the only one? It was fun. So you know, we don't get a lot of opportunities I was always taught to take advantage of my opportunities. So every time I get an opportunity, I'm always taking advantage of it. Mm-hmm. Period. Our brother, Gibbs. Another notable name, something they know, Michael Jackson. Yeah, Michael Jackson used to beat my dirty ass in the talent shows. Oh really? Your dad had some talent? Yeah, my dad sing. My dad in the chat lights, matter of fact. You know what I'm saying? But he you know what I mean tried to go because him and Mike the same age So they was always bumping heads in the talent shows and Mike would fuck that nigga up I was like man you ain fuck with Mike Fuck you up man Fuck you up, nigga. And then nigga, them niggas did the talent show. Like Mike brought the whole group out on his motherfucking ass. I'm like, you up that solo. He got Tito, Jermaine, they all doing, they in step. They got moves. They got Joe, you know what I'm saying? Like they had Joe pushing them niggas. Like you ain't had nobody. You just had your mama telling you, yes, my baby. Mike had a team, nigga, so you could— We curl. Yeah, nigga, he couldn't fuck with Mike. I love you, Dad, but you know you can't fuck with Mike. I love you. You know I goddamn will you can't fuck with Mike. Uh... Mike was fucking you up your whole life. We be watching motherfucking Michael Jackson on TV, about to be like, turn that motherfucking shit off, man. You don't want to see no part of it, huh? He be listening to it on the low, though. Nigga, love Mike. Welcome to the show, the legendary DJ Quick. Did you know that when you were creating your sound that it would be a sound that lasts in the standard test of time? No, I didn't, honestly. I was just doing it as a means to an end. I just wanted a car. You know, I wanted a Jetta and put some rims on it. You said he wanted to put some rims on a Jetta. That was it. What color? Low Ambitions. Gold. I bought a gold Jetta. Oh, you did it? G-L-I, yep. I got it. You're just killing it. That's all I wanted. This is how I'm going to sell about 1,000 copies. We were talking about this last night, me and Exhibit, and a problem, how I was selling cassettes. I got out of the whole dope game, trying to hustle, crack or whatnot. I was like, this ain't for me. I don't like doing this to my people. So I turned that hustle into making cassettes and music and selling them hand-to-hand, and it overwhelmed me. People really wanted these cassettes. I was personalizing them, putting certain people's names in them. And they'd be like, let me buy the whole box. So I got to sit up here and make duplicates of cassettes. I ain't cut off for this. You know, I sell 100 cassettes. I'm tired, even though I make money off of them. I'm like, you know. That's real work back then. Oh, my God. I need a deal. Somebody else got to do this. Because I had a demand. People was buying my cassettes, and people was telling me that, hey, man, you got your people playing your music in Salt Lake City. I'm like, get the fuck out of here. Where is Salt Lake City? Where is that? You know what I mean? Exactly. But the cassette just started moving across the state lines by itself. People was dubbing it and passing it on. Before you know it, I had a little reputation with the little cassettes. Then I did this one called the Red Tape with my boys, second to none, and AMG. And it blew. So I was selling a bunch of them. I was handwriting all of them. We had no distributors, so I go buy the blank cassettes, get this duplication machine, and just run them off and put the little sticker on them and write our names on it. They didn't know about stamping and printing press and all that. We was just doing it hand by hand, you know, hand to hand. And, you know, I ended up buying all the equipment that I wanted. And it was cool, but I didn't know it was going to go platinum. I'm like, you know, people like it. But then I started writing songs about everything we was experiencing. So I was just a voice of us, us being the youth, us being who we were at that time. And it resonated with a lot of people. Songs like Tonight, Sweet Black Pussy, you know, Born and Raised in Compton. them songs it made sense people could relate and um so past a little thousand copies um one of my homeboys used to work at uh the warehouse records and uh inglewood and my my record debuted on january january 7th um 1991 so we called up there to see how i was doing he said bro you sold out he said you sold out all your albums sold out in one day like we got to order again i was like okay all right so they they tell me like dude you nominated for american music award i got to meet dick clark nominated for american music award on my first single shot a cool video you know what i mean how old are you at this point uh 20 freshman so it was uh it was it was a lot to take in bro but you know my thing is i just wanted to be dj quick i want to be behind the scenes just DJ for like Pinnahouse Players Click and Second to None and AMG and whatnot. They just kept pushing me out front. It's like, whatever, you know. It was the anxiety that comes with that shit. A lot of people don't know. It's like, you know, I produced like three albums, albums in my first year, you know, as a debut artist. I stayed in the studio. I missed, you know, I missed a lot of touring because I just wanted to stay in the studio and just keep hashing out, you know, keep creating the sound. As best as you can, because this is one of my favorite songs too, can you take us to the studio with you, making tonight the night you made this song? What was the vibe like in the studio that night? Dope. I did it at a house, 2001, Browning Avenue in L.A. The whole scene looked like the Boys in the Hood movie. It was that kind of house. And a little kitchen nook, SB-1200. I was producing my boy Player Ham at the time, and I sampled that beat. One of the homies brought the album over, and I remembered that clear album, but it was just hard to find at that point. Somebody found it, let me use it. I sampled it and just kept looping it and did the drums to it. Back then, we'd let the beat just run for a whole day. Just hear it in the background. Until it gets up. Yeah, until you hear some inspiration. at this time I'm 19 and we experiment with 8 ball old English 800 and weed and shooting dice and stuff so I'm like this is what this is what's fun so I just started writing about that shit and during the writing of it I came up with the hook I'm playing records I'm just using what I got basically and I had a Betty Wright record Tonight Is The Night so I sampled it tonight and scratch it and tonight is the night. Spin it back, you know, keep working on it until it's on beat. And third verse is open. Player Ham didn't want to get on it. He was like, go ahead and finish it. That's you. So the homie Shaney comes over with some gin. And this is before, you know, I was drinking a hard liquor. It was just, you know, a beer at that point. My man was like, boom, like, you know, poured a big bumpy face with a super saco. We drinking it, drinking it. I'm like, man, this is bomb. This is before I knew there's a limit. It's sweet, good. I'm going to be all right. Bad news. Man, too good. Hit it again. I start spinning, start tripping. The homers have to tell you what you was doing last night. He was like, I did what? I did what? Thanks to you. He just had one of those last night. Yeah, thanks to Jelani, dog. So I'm like, the next day, I'm like, oh, man, I got the flu. I thought I had the flu. It was a hangover. What the fuck is this? We had to go in there and hug that toilet and get rid of that shit. And I was like, I ain't never drinking again, ever. I was cool. And I didn't for a while, but that ended up being the last verse. I just wrote it still hungover. I wrote that shit. It was like I documented it right there. As soon as they come, we're doing the same old thing tonight. And that's what happened. My man was like, you got to get your tolerance out. Tolerance? What are these words y'all talking about? You know what I mean? That's funny. That was the story. I ended up recording the song, put it on the mixtape, and everybody loved it. And it was dirty. It had real hood references. I was grimy back then. I was mentioning all the niggas with their surnames. They had blood in their name, Crip in their name, this nigga Loke and all this. I was just putting their whole name in it. like keeping it real. You know what I'm saying? So I had to clean that shit up for the radio, and I did. I just switched it right over. The one known, Ludacris. Nail Gigolo. 2000s, you cross paths with many legends. We try to compile a list. When we tell you the name in the song, just tell us a little bit about it. Nate Dogg and Area Codes. Rob Markman- Wow, man. That's my... Rest in peace. Rob Markman- I'm the biggest Nate Dogg fan in the world, man. People know it. And I think I've done more songs with Nate Dogg collectively than any other artist. Maybe Ciara, but Nate Dogg was just, man, he's just amazing. He's just amazing. He smoked the whole... Wherever you at, he'll smoke that whole shit down. And he just, you throw on the beat, he'll smoke, take him about an hour or two. When he jumps in that booth, everybody's paying attention, kills it every single time. But just such a dope demeanor about himself. Cool, calm, collected. And just how he chose his melodies and how he chose to do certain things musically was just always surprising to you because it was out of the unexpected. I know people would say, talk about his tone and stuff, but he was one of the most complex individuals when it comes to singing not only hooks but just entire songs that I ever encountered. So I'm a huge Nate Dogg fan, man. Pharrell and the Neptunes, Southern Hospitality. Wait, something just came to mind when I was like, one of my favorite rap lines I said on one of Nate Dogg's songs and I said something like, something going to bed, you got a frog in your throat like Miss Piggy giving head. It was one of my... Bro, I was just like, God damn, sometimes I'll be saying some of the hardest shit shit in the world. Okay, sorry, what was the next one? No. That was a bar. Rest in peace, Nate Dogg. Yeah, rest in peace. That was a bar. That's a bar. Straight up. Put me up there, man. Come on, man. Welcome, Roy Jones. Memorable ring walks. You once appeared in the back of the Radio City Auditorium in a tux drawn by Red Meth. Man, let me explain something to you. HBO, who also made me, helped make me, helped the world get to know who Roy Jones Jr. was, but they really messed me up that particular night because they showed movies with cursing and all kind of stuff after 7 o'clock at night. This is boxing. This is the first time ever, and I'll mind you this now, first time ever that rap music was in Radio City Music Hall. First time ever. Radio City Music Hall had never had rap in it before. That was the first time ever. Also had Whitney Houston there singing God Bless America. So you got such a big night, and you're going to mute the audio because of lyrical content of rap music, with all the movies you play with all the bad lyrical content in it. once again, I'm going to get the short end of the stick. You feel me? That's crazy. And that was the best ring interest that I have seen to this day. Me, Meth and Red, all dancing, rapping, man, come on, bro, you don't get no better. Yeah, they great performance. And y'all mute the audio because y'all worry about the lyrical content. What more can they say that the movies y'all playing after 7 o'clock ain't playing same? It's worse on them movies. You feel me? So, they completely, completely, they completely wiped out the best ring interest of all times. If it would have been, if you could have heard the lyric, now people still loved it on their own, but if you could have heard it and really felt what we felt, you would have felt the whole energy of it. You missed the energy because they wouldn't play the lyrics, the lyrical content over the TV screen. Cold game. And the second, my second favorite one though was, I did one in Portland, Oregon. I think Brand Jordan and Nike had sponsored the fight for me in Portland. and I came about the flow and I had the girls dancing. I did one of my own songs. That was my second favorite. The legendary Ice Cube in the building today. Your relationship with EZ, your reconciliation before his passing. Talk to us about that and how important it was to reconcile with him before his untimely passing. Man, it was very, you know, I feel very, you know, satisfied because I was able to do that. I think I would be, you know, real restless, you know, about it a little more if he didn't know what he really meant to me. You know what I'm saying? Outside the bullshit. And I was able to express that. And we was able to truly get past it. You know, sometimes you could say, you know, we squashed this shit, right? And it's like, yeah, yeah, all right. Yeah, we squashed, all right. You know, but you ain't about to mess with dude ever again. You know what I'm saying? But sometimes you can squash it and it really be squashed. And you just continue like it never even happened almost. And I knew that I was going to reach out to him. I was going to work with him if he wanted to. If he could put NWA back together and get Dre back on, I was going to work with him. So, you know, I just knew that, you know, we really squashed our beef that day. So it was great. Your departure for NWA, obviously it was portrayed in the film and you can read about it and we know about it. But for those who don't, what was your main reason behind leaving NWA? I just felt like we wasn't the top priority of the management. I felt like it was a conflict of interest in a lot of ways that Jerry Heller was so close to owning and running Ruthless with EZ. That him being our manager, that he would look out for easy and not really in WA. So that was one conflict. And he just proved me right on how he was dealing with my business in particular. And he straight up lied on my mom's. You know what I'm saying? He lied on her for no reason. There's no reason to lie on her. And so as a youngster, all them other things you can kind of get with, but one thing is the starter breaks the camel's back. And that was it. And I'm like, a man that'll lie to a dude about his own mama is not a man to be trusted. I didn't trust him. I didn't sign the contracts when they was presented. And they ostracized me. and what was crazy is like once I left the group they uh they started to pay me like once I had a solo deal they started to pay me and I didn't understand and I went to my manager Pat Charbonnet and I'm like why they uh paying me now yeah why they paying me now it's like they cause all this shit we got feuds in the street we got records against each other and all kind of shit. Like, why they paying me now? He said, because you were right. And they don't want you to sue them. And I said, well, why didn't they just pay me when I was in the group? He said, well, they would have had to pay everybody else. So they'd rather get you out the way and not have to pay for other people. You know what I'm saying? So it's bullshit. Dirty gay. welcome to the show david banner how do you make beats while you homeless oh man that's dope great question um i tell kids this bro like i went to walmart and got a um what's the thing that tread it takes the electricity you put it in the Converter, yeah. I went to Walmart and got a converter and built a studio in my van. And bro, like a lot of my homeboys, they want to get on the road with me, dude. And so I turned the passenger side literally into a studio. But I ain't, me personally, I'm deeper than that. I ain't talking about the equipment. I'm talking about mentally. Like how you even keep yourself focused and know you homeless, but I got to do this to, you know what I mean? All right, I'll tell you why. I did some research, bro, and I found out there's two type of rich people. There's rich people who become rich because they have family and their parents have influence and their parents have friends, like they can show you the way. Or you can be so fucking poor that you don't have no fucking choice. You're either going to make it or you're going to die. So I didn't know no rich people. I didn't have to be homeless, bro. You didn't inherit shit. I didn't have to be homeless, but I knew that either I can be lower middle class and work at a bank and have a fucking boring ass life. Because to me, hell is working in a fucking office and doing the same fucking thing every day, bro. I probably blow my fucking brains up. As hard as it is for us, there is not one day in any of our lives that's the same. This shit is actually like being fucking Gandalf or something. I'm serious, bro. Like it's like being a fucking wizard every day. We create magic. Yeah. Lord of the Rings. Yeah. Like bro, we, this shit is, this shit is fun. Bro. Like honestly, we at work high. I mean, a lot of y'all at work high, but y'all faking it. Y'all can't say y'all high. No, we, everybody on our staff is fine. Oh, y'all high? Yeah. Well, fucking light up then. We do it as a team. Oh, that's good. One thing about, we do everything. Family. Conglomerate. We do everything. Rob Markman, not your blood at home. It's just a high rainbow over here. Yeah, it was just everybody over here. But no, man, I knew that in order for me to be successful, I had to burn the bridges. I not only burned the bridges, I burned the boats. Dog, I was SGA president at Southern, bro. They said I was one of the best SGA presidents in history ever, bro. I could have done that corporate shit, bro. I was a semester in a thesis. I'm a semester in a thesis away from my master's degree. I had a 3.9987, an accelerated master's program. The thesis is like a paper or something? Yeah, I've always been intelligent. I've always, bro. When I was in the third grade, I read on a junior and college level. I could count to a million when I was in Canada. I'm surprised I knew that. That's funny. I'm surprised I knew that, right? I see how you look at him and he's like, what? Look at my brother. You know what a thesis is? Right, and so for me, bro, it was just, It was just like, I had to burn the bridges, man. And I had to get out there, man. And it was crazy, man. Like I went back to the streets twice, bro. Like I made it out and then I went back and created my own company. Huh? Just twice Dave. Yeah, just twice. Just twice. Okay. Just twice. I know you Dave, just twice. I'm different than these other Negroes, bro. I'm not proud of that shit, bro. I'm sort of embarrassed with some of the shit that I did. Like we talked about outside. I'm not happy about that shit. Ain't nothing cute about that shit at all, bro. I'm just happy that we are able to talk about it now. You survived it. Yeah, we did. Tell me this, with the record business being so shady, how did you learn it and navigate through it, being independent? Um, I didn't know. Erykah Badu taught me this. Like in some cases, and you know, I'm a man of knowledge. I never say that ignorance is cool, but like, bro, I really thought that shit was real, bro. I really thought that that, like, I looked at hip hop. My little homeboy, man, who just got out the streets, he used to tell me that shit all the time. He said, man, this rap shit hurt you like a girl or something, bro. Like, I really love the rap, bro. I really thought that shit was real. Motherfuckers don't care nothing about us, bro. You know, Pimp taught me that, bro. Like, we got to care for us. I got this theory, man, that the story of Jesus, the story of Jesus isn't about a man coming down, bearing a cross for you. I believe the story of Jesus is about a man coming down to show you how to bear your own cross. So like hip hop, hip hop ain't fair. Hip hop didn't pay attention to us until the Bay Area and Texas showed us how to be independent, how to make our own record companies. They only cared about Southern hip hop because we were making more money than they were as a whole. We didn't look at ourselves. Imagine Lil Flip, Thugga, David Banner, Ludacris, Pastor Troy, E-40, Too Short, Master P. Imagine how many, South Park Mexicans, how much money we were making as a conglomerate, bro. So what they did is they signed all of us, got us all out of the way, and then motherfuckers fell off bro but together we were putting a dent in that shit yo and we we didn't have the we didn't have the foresight to see what they did and then watch this watch this just fuck your head up then we learned how to get mom and pop stores we had uh uh southwest distribution we had gonzalez we had our own distribution companies they sucked the distribution companies up bought the distribution companies, sick the feds on the main DJs and the mom and pop stores. Then they suck the mom and pop stores up, then close the Virgin Megastore right when we had learned. Bro, I had just got to the point where I was getting $9 a fucking album. Dog, if I would have sold one more album, bro, and then Negroes were on the stream, I'm about to get $9 and you tell me now I'm getting a fraction of a penny? Bro, this shit, bro, it's actually genius. Racism, bro, and imperialism is actually genius. Me and Scott was talking about this in the back. If you take away the fact that they fucking over us, this shit is actually genius, bro. And they got us happy about streaming. Man, that shit's so fucking stupid. But what I will say, bro, again, bro, all we have to do is be successful, bro. And then we can change this shit for these kids. Because think about what they have successfully done. There's now one generation of children that have never bought anything. So it's hard to convince them to give you $9 album for something that they have always gotten for free. And then we're giving our money to tech companies. Not even people who care about us, who care about music, who even know who we are, bro. It's funny. I'm about to be, I'm about to go meet with the dude from Spotify. But the real truth is, bro, from a business perspective, you my enemy. And it's hard, bro, when it's just one of us. Bro, that shit's so fucking lonely, dog. When God has blessed you with the information to know better, bro, and niggas look at you like you crazy or like you wet. And then sometimes because we're in flesh, sometimes you start tripping like, damn, am I fucked up? You know? Who knows? What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? 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