UAP EP 184 Fact or Fiction: The Legends of Lt. Col. Richard French

yes welcome in to UAP Stephen Diener back with you here as always on the unidentified alien podcast for episode number 184 today and today is uh well I guess what I can refer to as an old school episode of UAP an original that's right uh it's not an interview it's just you and me and I like to always try to do these as much as I can. Unfortunately, it's not as much as I would like to, but I had the opportunity to do it this week where I got to kind of go back to my roots, sit down, research, write, and come up with an original episode here of UAP. So I'm super excited to do this today because it actually covers somebody that you may know about a little bit. Amazingly, I don't know why, but I didn't really know about this guy too much. I don't know why I never came across it, but today we are going to discuss the legends of Lieutenant Colonel Richard French. One of the more controversial characters, or so I've learned, in UFO lore over the past 10 years or so. We're going to talk about him today and what he alleged, what he saw, supposedly, in 1952. These aliens underwater. Supposedly a second Roswell crash. We're going to get into that. And some of the other, I guess, stories that he put out there as well during his time as a retired Air Force veteran. And that will also lead me into talking about something with Roswell that I've actually never brought up here before on the show. It's something that happened to me a few years ago, a message that I got on Twitter a few years ago. It really freaked me out. That's why I never brought it up. But today feels like a good day to do that. So, yeah, we're going to get to a lot here today on this episode of UAP. Hopefully you enjoy. And before we get into all that, though, since this is an original episode of UAP, we get to bring back the factoid. Let's go ahead and do that first. Ladies and gentlemen, the factoid. Always love getting to one of these a little bit here and there whenever we can. And this one actually comes in the way of some pretty interesting speculation that's come out over the past week. And there's actually a little bit of a backstory here personally for myself as well. So this all kind of began a few days ago or so when a filmmaker out of the UK, a prominent filmmaker, a lot of people in the UFO community know him. His name is Mark Christopher Lee. And he surprised a lot of people when he came out with a video on social media that said that he had been contacted by people within the Trump administration who told him that President Trump has already written a UFO disclosure speech, and it's going to confirm that humanity is not alone. Now, Mark Christopher Lee said that initially that speech was planned to be given during a UN address, but Trump and his team decided to move it to coincide with the Roswell anniversary, which would be the 79th anniversary. And kind of interestingly enough, we're talking about Roswell today with Lieutenant Colonel Richard French. So kind of connection there. A little bit unintentional, I suppose. But they're going to coincide with that anniversary around the date where he would announce it on July 8th, 2026. So that's this year. That's about seven and a half months from now as we stand. So is this really going to happen? Who knows, right? Now, Mark Christopher Lee, when he came out with this video, he swore up and down. This information is good. My source is good. This is what they're planning. it's going to happen. Of course, we don't actually know if this is going to happen, but it is interesting nonetheless, and the story has gained traction. And I say it's interesting for a couple of reasons. Number one, this is something that's been spoken about for the past year. You know, would Trump disclose? Before that, it was, would Biden disclose? Before that, it was, would Trump disclose? And so on and so forth. If you go down the line of presidents, We've been waiting for a long, long time for some president to disclose the information about the existence of other life. And it seemed like, and this is why I say this is particularly interesting to me right now, and it kind of piques my interest. It makes me think that maybe this is a thing. I'm not saying it's going to happen. I have no idea. But it just, there's some events that have led up to this point in time in history that made me, make me think this could be a thing. Number one, Trump hasn't been shy about speaking about it. He's been asked about it before in different interviews and he's not shy about saying, you know, he's heard some different things from pilots and of the sort. And then, of course, we have unprecedented pressure and talk out of administrations where we have the Age of Disclosure film where you have Marco Rubio and so many other former cabinet members or former intelligence officials speaking in that documentary about what they've been told, about what they believe to be real, about the presence of another life form out there somewhere. And then, of course, we have the congressional hearings. I mean, so and that's this just within the past three years. So within the past three years, not to mention the whistleblowers like David Grush and so on and so forth. So within these past few years, we have seen really this level of, you know, push toward a disclosure like we haven't seen before, at least in modern history, in modern times. So because of that and because of other speculation that has come out within the past year where you have these different people in the administration that might be willing to say to Trump, yeah, let's go ahead and do this and reveal some of this. There has been a lot of talk about this over the past year. Will it happen? Because it seemed like the people surrounding him and he himself might be willing to do it. So because of all those factors, that kind of leads me to believe that there is a chance that this might be true. Again, I have no idea if it's going to happen, but at least because of the mitigating factors that surround it, it leads me to at least have the thought that there might be something to it. Only time will tell, of course. Now, the other part of this that I found, you know, pretty interesting because of the circumstances was something that actually happened to me personally that connects to this. About 10 to 12 days ago, I received a personal message kind of giving me the same type of information that Mark Christopher Lee was putting out there. And in my message, it was talking about basically there was an order put through that the speech had been written and that this is something that is a matter of time before it comes out. It's something that's been given the go ahead for declassification and that they're ready to do it. Now, again, this was about 10 days ago or so. So around the same time of Mark Christopher Lee's video So it is interesting As far as the timing goes It's around the same time that Lee came out and put out his video Alleging the same thing Of course his was more detailed He gave the date, he gave the information on it I didn't have a date in my message But it was interesting for me to see The same type of information coming in Around the same time that Lee was putting out the video discussing this so I got information on it as well and I just found it kind of you know to corroborate to put those two things together so does that mean that it's going to happen I don't know does that mean that there is misinformation floating out there and people are putting out messages to kind of feel the waters and you know put out different dates and put out different things to see who leaks what maybe or is there something to this it's worth bringing up which is why I did it here today for our factoid We'll see. Just like with everything else these days, when it comes to the UFO topic, time will tell. And I will be right here with you as we find out together in the coming months. You know I'm going to be talking about it one way or the other. So, something to keep in mind. All that said, it's time to get into our main course of the day here today with our tales surrounding Lieutenant Colonel Richard French. So, first, who is Lieutenant Colonel Richard French? Well, he was a lead investigator, supposedly, according to his own biography, for Project Blue Book. Of course, we all know Project Blue Book. Dr. J. Allen Hynek. I've had his son, Paul Hynek, here on the show before, and we all know what that is. He flew, Richard French, that is, flew 683 combat missions, according to his Air Force records. Not bad. And received many decorations through his 27-year career, according to the records. He received a Purple Heart and two Distinguished Flying Crosses, among many other medals. So a very illustrious career goes without saying when we hear all that. He passed away in November of 2014, so some time ago now, about 12 years ago, 11 and a half years ago. But a year and a half before that, in May of 2013, he gave testimony at the Citizens for Disclosure hearing in Washington, D.C. This was on May 3rd, 2013. And he spoke about an encounter that he had in 1952. And this encounter he held secret for decades until finally deciding to come out about it toward the end of his life 60 years later. so here's Richard French from 2013 I have the clip where he describes what he saw with what turned out to be an underwater encounter something that he saw looking down into the water of these aliens supposedly fixing a craft underwater now I will say this too it's the clip is kind of like it's not distorted but it's echoey so it might be hard to make a couple of things out that said I am going to come back and give some direct quotes about what he said about this as well. So if you feel like you missed a couple of things, I'm going to come out of it and give direct quotes about what he was saying here. But first, here is the testimony straight from Lieutenant Colonel French's mouth during this disclosure hearing in 2013. I was very clear. You could see down as much as 200 feet. and what I saw down there were two UFOs parked side by side, but I couldn't see anyone around either one of them. Then a little later, someone moved to one of the UFO occupants, and I guess I'll go ahead and call them what the argument, moved over to the site and came into my line of sight. Very soon after that, he came out of the water going approximately 100 miles an hour. As soon as he broke the surface of the water, he increased his speed to approximately 2,500 miles an hour and quickly went out of sight. He was gone for about 15 or 20 minutes. He came right back, right when it slowed down very much, went in the water again at about 100 miles an hour, went on down to, and he and the other one, you could see them working on the UFOs. After about approximately two hours of apparently performing maintenance on the UFOs, the two of them took off together again we went and left the water at about 100 miles an hour immediately accelerated to well over 2500 miles an hour going virtually straight up and disappeared okay so there's the whole statement and you can definitely make out the last part there where he says you know the craft went straight up and disappeared it kind of went back and forth it was there it came back like 20 minutes later it's a very intriguing story and i think the timing of it too is what I personally find kind of compelling when it comes to how he did this, you know, Citizens for Disclosure hearing toward the end of his life. Now, you know, I don't know if he was sick or if he thought he was going to pass away soon, but he did pass away a year and a half after this. Now, that's not to say that he wasn't doing interviews or writing books before this because he was, but it's just interesting to see that, you know, he put this out there at that time. Now, A couple of things that he said just to be more precise with it because after this hearing back in 2013 late May he did an interview with the Huffington Post in 2013 And coming off of this hearing and he spoke about it saying there were a lot of people assembled on the wharf when he got there He said there were about 100 people standing around just looking in amazement at the water He said there were also several policemen there. This, again, all coming from the interview he did with the Huffington Post in 2013. Now, it's also worth mentioning before I continue that he was supposedly a debunker for Project Blue Book. That was his job. He said that he was there, you know, would go to these different sites and go talk to people about these different cases. And his job was to debunk everything, you know, make people think, you know, you're crazy. That's not what you saw. So that's what he was trying to do when he went out there to check out this site in 1952. Now, the location of this supposedly it happened off of Newfoundland. And as he's standing there looking down into the water that he said was very clear, He says he remembers seeing two circular craft, each one about 18 feet in diameter and approximately three feet thick. He said the two objects were floating below the surface of the water and a couple of feet apart. He says they weren't more than 20 feet from the shore. So obviously not that far out from where they were standing. He said he saw two beings in the water near the ships. His quote to the Huffington Post was, the first thing I saw was the UFOs. And it was apparent to me that they were doing something to the craft. And I couldn't really tell what it was because they were on the bottom side of it and not visible to me, except when they would occasionally get over to the side where I could see them. He says the water was fairly clear and I could see without any trouble. They weren't down at the bottom of the seabed. They were about halfway down. When describing the beings, he said that they were about two or three feet tall, light gray in color, very thin, long arms with either two or three fingers. He also says the top of their heads were much wider than their jawline. Their eyes were very slanted and you couldn't see pupils in them. He finishes by saying they look the way they have been depicted in motion pictures. So he's describing classic, you know, small gray aliens. He continued in the article by saying when it hit the surface, it was going about 100 miles an hour. and then it accelerated to somewhere in the neighborhood of 2,500 to 3,000 miles an hour and disappeared. So he's talking about as they resurfaced, they came up from under the water, apparently they repaired whatever they were trying to repair under the water, and then they zoomed away up to speeds of 3,000 miles an hour according to his observations. He goes on to say it returned about 20 minutes later, slowed down to nearly a stop before it entered the water, then went down and the two beings worked together. He said it took them about 20 minutes and then the two ships departed together again, slow when they exited the water and immediately they sped up to a very high speed. I believe they were repairing the ship and tested that the repairs had been adequate and then away they went. So that's how he finishes telling that portion of the story there. And it's, I mean, it's pretty interesting. It's like, you know, according to his details, they took their craft out for a test drive, you know? They're like, hey, okay, I think we fixed it. Let's go ahead and test this out. They zoom off. They come back 20 minutes later. They go back under the water, adjust a couple of things, and away they go. That's according to what French said was his firsthand account of this 1952 encounter of underwater beings and their USOs right off the beach of Newfoundland. Hey, guys, so real quick, just wanted to take a break to talk about you and that big idea that you've had that you keep putting off. Make 2026 the year. We all get different ideas about different businesses or marketing things that we can do, what you can sell. Oh, I can create this product, that product. Everybody would love it. But how do you actually get started? Make 2026 your year with Shopify. 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Yeah, I saw two aliens under the water fixing their ship and they zoomed away at 3000 miles per hour. No, that's not what he was going to say in his report for Project Blue Book. So he just made something up and said he saw something that was unrecognizable. That's those are the words he put into the report. He said it was his duty to debunk the story, so he did his best to do so. Now, this isn't the only eyebrow-raising claim he made about his alleged knowledge of sightings and encounters. But before we get to that next part, I want to first draw a comparison here real quick to what we just heard. Because it's a pretty fantastical story, right? I mean, he's standing there with 100 other people, with police officers, so a mass sighting event. I don't know how or why I hadn't heard about this before. If it actually happened, you would think that there would be people who would talk about it with that amount of people there, over 100 people. But he says this is what happened, and he told it there at that Citizens for Disclosure hearing 13 years ago. But when I heard it, I couldn't help but to draw a comparison. And I just want to touch on this real quick before going on to his next account, which is about his experiences with Roswell and a supposed second crash. but with that one I couldn't help when I was kind of like researching this and writing this to think about something that drew a lot of similarities in relation to a story that I covered way back when in 2022 during episode 34 of UAP yes a while ago this actually was from when Karen Curtis and I were doing the show together so this goes way back and at that point we were discussing a story about extraterrestrials that were referred to as the swimmers. And take into account what you just heard there from that story, from Lieutenant Colonel Richard French, and see if you can draw some comparisons, some similarities to what we spoke about four years ago during this episode 34 of UAP. Take a listen to this clip. It's a few minutes long. See what you think. There were reports in this declassification of nuclear submarines coming across USOs, again, unidentified submerged objects, while out in the open sea. But out of all those stories, the one that stood out to many was about an encounter that happened in Siberia in 1982 at Lake Bacal, which is B-A-I-K-A-L, if you want to look this up. I have to tell you, first of all, Siberia has a lot of sightings because it's so remote. Remote, yes. And everything. Secondly, I'm from Michigan, so we have the Great Lakes. And so to hear about a lake, this is the deepest freshwater lake in the world. It's a mile deep. I've never heard of it. A mile. And there were seven Russian Navy divers. Why? They're diving in Lake Baikal. They were conducting a research mission. I mean, the water is ice. It's icy and deep and cold. They were down about 50 meters. Do we know how long that, how much that is? 50 meters? 50 meters, because again, Karen. Do your little conversion, please. I'm going to, yes, because we are afraid of the metric system here. We are. Suddenly, the frogmen realized that they were being watched. 164 feet, by the way. 164 feet. So that's pretty far. That's pretty deep, yeah. So this is what happened. These strange humanoid figures were much bigger than human beings and appeared to be wearing helmets of some sort. What on earth are we to make of an encounter like this? It's one thing to talk about USOs, but quite another to talk about humanoid entities deep in the lake. These were large beings, human shaped but like nine feet tall, wearing what seemed like very tight-fitting silvery suits. Not your normal scuba gear, swimming in the water, what they've come to call the swimmers of Lake Baikal. What were these creatures? Why did they not seem to use what we would be using to sustain life? There were no oxygen tanks. Could you imagine coming across something like this? No. Where you're a diver, right? You're just doing a research mission, and then these nine-foot entities are in front of you, wearing these strange clothes, having these giant helmets on. What are you supposed to do in that case? Well, I don't think you should attack them, Stephen, but guess what the frogmen did? The Russian frogmen. The divers attempted to capture one of these creatures. Bad idea. But at this point, so the documents say, the entities reacted. A powerful unknown force suddenly propels the entire group of divers up from the deep water to the surface. They did a rapid rise to the surface of the water. Well, when you do that too fast, you suffer from decompression and you get the bends and it's deadly. Yep, that'll do it. And when I first heard this story, that's the first thing that popped in my head was, oh my gosh, you can't go up to the surface that quick, especially over 160 feet down, you'll die. And they did. Three of them died. Wow. Four were in serious condition. And that's interesting. If they didn't see anything down there, why did three of them rise so rapidly that they got the bends? Something happened. Yeah. We have physical proof that something happened. Something made them resurface very quickly, quicker than they certainly wanted to. There's no disputing that. They got the bends. That's what they died from. So what was it? Maybe there really was something under there. Well, and the surviving ones explain what happened, so. The story comes from somewhere, right? Yeah. Something manhandled these guys. Is this some type of malevolent race of ETs that have never been widely reported on before? The swimmers. The swimmers, as they call them. Okay, there you go. Back to current day here in 2026. So hopefully you enjoyed that walk down memory lane. But I did that because I wanted, again, to draw that comparison to what we just heard. Again, these, you know, aliens under the water, their craft under the water. Now, of course, we didn't have anything as extreme as, you know, these divers going under and getting attacked and dying from, you know, the bends. But it was just it was something that popped into my head that I thought was kind of worth drawing a comparison to that. I thought, wow, you know, these stories are out there and you can't help but to wonder, are there connections? Are there is there truth to these stories? We have one story here from an Air Force lieutenant colonel who was working under Project Blue Book, according to his own history, his own description, and says this is what he saw in 1952. And then you have this story out of Russia in the 80s, and this was declassified. Russia did a declassification in 2009 of some of their UFO files, and this was one of the stories that was declassified. And some people came across it and were like, wait, this is kind of strange. What is this story? That's why I covered it back four years ago on an episode of UAP. So you have that happen, right? Three decades later, off the coast of Siberia, halfway around the world, two totally different spots, two totally different cultures. But still, you're talking about these craft, these beings underwater. And in this case, off of Siberia, you're talking about these beings didn't have any oxygen tanks. They had some type of helmets on. They were in these silver suits. Of course, we hear about what Lieutenant Colonel French said about them having this gray skin. Was he seeing their skin? Were they wearing some type of silvery suit, the same type that these divers said that they saw in their incident in Siberia? Pretty interesting to kind of hear about the different tales, you know, decades apart and worlds apart, if you will. So just something to think about as we put the pieces together pretty wild stuff to say the least But the other story that Lieutenant Colonel French had to put out there at some point was his recollection about what he was told about Roswell. Now, we all know the story, right? I was just talking about during the factoid, July 8th, 1947. We know about Roswell, the crash. They said it was a crash of a flying disc. Then they said it's a weather balloon. And ever since then, we've been asking questions. What the heck happened there? Almost 79 years later, we're still asking these questions. Of course, we've heard the rumors about where the wreckage was taken. We know Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, where the bodies were taken and so many other stories ever since. But what about a second Roswell? Very interesting. Well, Lieutenant Colonel French claimed that there was a second crash at Roswell. he said the following here. He said there were actually two crashes at Roswell, which most people don't know. Again, this was an interview with the Huffington Post. The Huffington Post had the scoop back in the day. My goodness gracious. He said the first one was shot down by an experimental U.S. airplane. Keep that in mind. Keep that one line in mind real quick as I just break for a second there because that's going to come into play with what I'm going to tell you about something that a message that I was sent a few years ago that I've never brought up here on the show. So yeah, keep this part in mind. 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The first one was shot down by an experimental U.S. airplane, he told the Huffington Post. He said that was flying out of White Sands, New Mexico. And he said it shot what was effectively an EMP-type weapon that disabled and took away all the controls of the UFO and that's why it crashed. He's talking about the original crash, that July 8th, 1947, the one that was called the weather balloon. He said when they hit it with a pulse, bingo, there goes all their electronics and consequently the UFO was uncontrollable. Now about the second crash, he had this to say. It was written or it was within a few miles of where the original crash was. He said we think that the reason they were in there at that time was to try and recover parts and any survivors of the first crash. He said I'm referring to the people from outer space, the guys whose UFO it was. He said I had seen photographs of parts of the UFO that had inscriptions on it that looked like it was in an Arabic language. He finishes saying it was like a part number on each of them. There were photographs in a folder that I just thumbed through. As for why he worked for the government to cover up all this information for so many years, The Huffington Post asked him that question, and he explained, he said, they never give you an explanation, but I'll tell you what my analysis of it is. They accepted the fact that there are creatures coming to Earth from other universes or from wherever. It basically could destroy religions, and the fact that our military is helpless against them would destroy the reputation of the military. He said, you're talking about military, national defense, and religious reasons. Now, I want to touch on that real quick because there's a couple of things that he said in that article back in 2013 that I want to highlight, aside from the experimental U.S. airplane, which I'll get to in a second as well, and how it connects to my own personal experience. First off, he talks about using this, like, EMP-type weapon. But then he does say, and I have to point this out because it's a weird contradiction. I'm not here trying to prove or disprove anything, but it's worth pointing out. He talks about that we use this EMP weapon from this experimental plane that took down the original UFO at Roswell, but then says that our military can't do anything against them. So, I mean, is it – he's kind of just speaking against himself there. Now, that said, I've been told the same thing all these years later, that our military can't do really much at all against UAP technology. And that's one reason why we don't talk about the sightings and the flyovers over military bases. Because how many times have we heard about that? I mean, this was 20 years or 15 years before the Malström incident with Bob Salas. And we still, at least I do, hear about, you know, incursions over bases today. I mean, 2023, 2024, I was reporting on this stuff about current incursions over very sensitive and secret military installations within the United States. Doesn't get reported on the news, doesn't get put on Reddit or anything like that. Why? How could that go unnoticed? Well, it's because we couldn't do anything about it. So I identify with what he's saying there back in this article 13 years ago about, you know, that's one reason why the government wants to keep it under wraps is because there's not much our military can do against their technology. I identify with that part. But it is weird, again, talking about the, you know, the EMP that was used to take down the original Roswell craft. Well, we were able to do something then. So it's just kind of odd, right? Like, is there an in-between there? And then, of course, he mentions the national defense aspect. You know, we start talking about government contractors and everything of that sort. And then we get into the religious reasons, which, my gosh, how much have we spoken about that over the years? Now, again, my contention with the religious reasons, my contention with that is, unless there's some type of story that would directly contradict the telling of the birth of Jesus and the crucifixion and the resurrection, unless there is some type of story that directly implicates that, the gospel of the Bible and the very foundation of Christianity, then I don't see why it would be an issue. That's always been my take on it. My take has always been that if we're going to come out and say, let's say, for example, going back to the factoid, if President Trump comes out and says on the anniversary of Roswell, July 8th of this year, which would be the 79th anniversary, he comes out and says yeah this is real there's other life out there we are not alone he utters the famous phrase we are not alone if that happens our church is going to shut down is the vatican going to close their doors and say it's been a good 2 000 years we'll see you later no i like i seriously doubt it my contention has always been that they would actually use this information He used this realization to say that it strengthens the argument for an all-powerful God that created the universe. It may be multiple universes and multiple dimensions and multiple life forms. That's always been my contention with this is that it wouldn't destroy religion. If anything, it would strengthen the idea of an all-powerful God because there's more beings out there. That's always been my theory. It's a working theory. You can agree or disagree. That's completely fine. But, of course, that conversation continues to go on as it has for decades. How would it affect mainstream religions? That remains to be seen if disclosure truly does come out here one day. But that's why I wanted to mention his reasoning that he gave 13 years ago in that article about, you know, why the government wants to cover all this up. It's all the things that we still talk about here today, 13 years later. Now, that said, speaking specifically about this heavily disputed, by the way, heavily disputed second Roswell crash, there's really no way of knowing for sure if it did indeed take place. But some even say that one of the bodies recovered at the original crash site was still breathing. There's those rumors out there that the U.S. actually recovered a living alien body. and since we're on the subject I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Dr. Shirley Wright who was Einstein's long time personal assistant now you may not remember that but I did an episode I'm not going to play the clip right now but I did an episode on her about a year ago year and a half or so love her story she was so matter of fact in the interview that she gave towards the end of her life about her time spent with Einstein very close personal assistant of his traveled around the world with him And she detailed in that episode that I did her firsthand account of being present at the hangar where the wreckage was being kept. And she said she was there alongside with Einstein and J. Robert Oppenheimer. Yes, that Oppenheimer. It's an amazing and fantastical story. If you've never heard that story, if you've never heard that episode, feel free to search back in the annals of UAP episodes to find that one about Dr. Shirley Wright and her relation with Einstein and Oppenheimer. and how they were supposedly there checking out the wreckage of Roswell and actually the bodies as well. Dr. Shirley Wright talks about seeing the bodies and seeing, actually, funny enough, seeing the different what she called hieroglyphs on some of the wreckage. And if you want to go back to what we heard in those quotes from Lieutenant Colonel French, he said he saw pictures of the wreckage and he described seeing some type of writing on it that he described looking Arabic. So, you know, pretty interesting, right? Two different times, two different people telling stories about wreckage that they saw at Roswell and describing some type of at least similar looking markings on the wreckage. Something to take into account. And I would suggest, that is one of my favorite episodes I've ever done, if I must say real quick, that episode about Dr. Shirley Wright. I just found that so, so interesting. So if you've never heard that one, go back and search that. And I think, I'm trying to remember the title off the top of my head. It was something with Einstein and Oppenheimer in the title, like UFO investigators or something like that. But if you go back and look for those names, you'll find it's really, it was really good. I like that one a lot, actually. Now, all that said, that's, you know, sitting here trying to pat myself on the back by any means. But as we approach the 79th anniversary of the crash later this year on July 8th, maybe the day we hear disclosure, according to some reports that we're talking about, But it still remains, Roswell, it is, one of the most talked about cases of all time. And there's still so much that goes into it. All the things that we've spoken about that happened on that one fateful day in July of 1947. And maybe if the second crash actually did happen, maybe even a few days later with that second crash. Not a lot of details. The details are pretty scant on that when it comes to what was recovered and why they were there and why it went down. but Lieutenant Colonel French said he was told it happened. Now, with that in mind, there is one theory that has been brought up in some circles and this goes back to what I mentioned at the start of the episode. This theory that came to me in a message a few years back on Twitter that I've never mentioned before here on the show because, again, it freaked me out. It's something that I think back on actually I can kind of make levity of it now in my mind. I'm kind of at that point a few years later, but it also still kind of freaks me out. And I'm going to tell it for the first time. I guess it was sometime around 2023, and I don't have the message in front of me or the timestamp. Actually, if I'm being upfront about it, and I'm always upfront, I deleted the message within a few days of getting it. because it was just, it was very strange, and I didn't like having it in my inbox, and it just, it creeped me out, so I deleted it, and I never contacted the person again. But the message I got was from a person who knew about what I do here on the show, and it was a woman, and she sent me this message saying, I know the real story of Roswell. Okay. I'd love to hear what you have to say. Now, that said, I have no idea what she's going to say. And just like with any other message that I get in my inbox or on social media, I'm always open to reading them and responding back. I've said that a million times here on the show over the course of years, and I practice what I preach. I think you know if you've sent me a message before in any medium, email or social media, that I always get back to you. Now that said I was curious right Okay you have information about Roswell I guess I see what you have to say And I never forget this It was around like 5 a because I think I mentioned before I get into the studio pretty early And I check my Twitter and there's a message from this person. And it was a video. And I said, okay, I'm a little weary about clicking on videos, but I'll give it a shot. And the video comes up and like I got spooked. In the video was this man. She was interviewing a man. And the man I think was a family member. And he was wearing a mask, like this skeleton mask. And they were sitting in a room. And she was asking him questions about what he knew about Roswell. And man, when I tell you, obviously, you know, it freaked me out because I've said it a million times here already. I'm very repetitive with that because it really bothered me. It creeped me out so much that I closed the message right away. I was like, oh my gosh, what am I seeing? Am I being threatened? What did I come across here? Is this really damaging information that I'm not supposed to know? I closed the message. I didn't watch the video. It creeped me out so much because of the way that they did this with this random person sitting there with a skeleton mask on starting to talk about what they knew about Roswell. I'm like, nope, I'm out. That said. there was some information that I got from it in their written message. And what they wrote to me in there was pictures of supposed IDs of a family member that showed that they actually did work in Roswell and kind of proving that, yeah, we were there and my family was there. And this family member told them, and this is why I told you to remember that experimental aircraft part, because in this message I was told that their family told them the actual Roswell crash wasn't aliens at all, that it was a secret nuclear technology that the U.S. Air Force was working on, some type of nuclear-powered aircraft or nuclear technology, whatever it was, they were working on this tech and the experimental plane crashed along with the pilots and that the pilots were so dismembered that they were unrecognizable to the point where their bodies were charred and you couldn't tell if they were human or not. That's what I was told in this message. And that the cover-up happened because the U.S. Air Force could not admit to the fact that they were dealing with secret tech involving some type of nuclear material. Now, imagine if that got out, right? Is there some type of nuclear spill? Is there danger with this crash at Roswell? Now, that said, of course, a lot of people were around there, right? I mean, so from what we know, the ground wasn't completely irradiated like it would be from the Trinity test, if we want to bring up Oppenheimer, right? It wasn't like that. So it just makes you wonder, right? Where do we land on Roswell? That was a story I was told a few years back. Again, I've never brought it up because the whole thing really, really creeped me out. I still don't know exactly what to make of it of this day or to this day. I'm sure there was just an innocent video and they were trying to give me this information, but they wanted to protect their identity because they felt like they would get in trouble if they were saying it. And that's why I closed it out. That's why I deleted the message because I wanted nothing to do with it at that point. And I thought, you know what, I'm in way over my head here and I want nothing to do with this. But I did see those portions of the message. The IDs that show that they were there and their explanation showing that or saying that this was actually a secret experiment that was taking place. And that's why the cover up happened and that there were no alien bodies, that they were experimental pilots from the Air Force. Make of it what you will. added to the cachet of Roswell theories. There you go. That's the first time I've ever told that story here on UAP. So it could be completely erroneous. Maybe there's something to it. But yeah, bet you weren't expecting that one today. You never know what you're going to get here on UAP. So before we get back into the discussion, I just want to bring up something that we all deal with. The what ifs of life. And I've had those before, especially when I started this podcast right here a few years back. What if it doesn't work? What if I'm wasting my time? What if no one listens? 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But to wrap up here today, in addition to all this, there's a couple of other things worth mentioning. that Lieutenant Colonel French did say, because it didn't stop at two Roswell crashes in that 1952 incident off of Newfoundland. He also said that he saw cigar-shaped UFOs coming out of a volcano at one point, and he said that he was also witness to frequent sightings outside his former home in Gulf Breeze, Florida. Now, some people may inherently scoff at those claims. like, you know, okay, UFOs coming out of volcanoes and, you know, okay, sure, he saw UFOs all the time in Gulf Breeze, Florida. Sure, buddy, whatever you say. But funny enough, those two things did grab my attention. And for one, during late 1987 and early 1988, this is actually a pretty famous UFO flap, as they say. There were a lot of sightings that took place off of Gulf Breeze, Florida, which is just south of Pensacola. So it's all the way up there in the Florida Panhandle, just east of the Alabama-Florida border in the Gulf. And there was a lot of sightings that took place between 87 and 88. And in fact, there was a local contractor, a man by the name of Ed Walters, who took photos. It's one of the most famous UFO photos out there. If you've never seen it, just search very quickly. It'll come up on Google. Just type in UFO Gulf Breeze, Florida, and you'll see what I'm talking about. this UFO photo that was published in what was then the Gulf Breeze Sentinel. The paper doesn't exist anymore, but the Gulf Breeze Sentinel published this photo that was taken by a man named Ed Walters. And now some people say that the photo is fake. Of course, you're always going to, it's just like with anything else that comes out. Some people say absolutely fake. No way, it's a hoax. Other people say, yeah, you can't debunk this. This is a genuine photo. But if you've never seen it, if you don't know what I'm talking about, But again, feel free, just quick Google search. It'll come right up. Gulf Breeze, Florida, UFO. And it'll come up right there. So his, you know, Lieutenant Colonel French's telling of, yeah, I saw UFOs all the time living at my home in Gulf Breeze may not be that far off base because they did see all these UFOs, supposedly. A lot of people reported seeing them between 1987 and 1988. So maybe something to that. And then he talks about the cigar-shaped UFOs coming out of volcanoes. We've heard plenty of stories. Again, we shouldn't throw that out of there right off the bat because we've heard a lot of stories about UFOs and their correlation to volcanoes coming out of volcanoes, coming out of the side of mountains. In fact, I've been meaning to do an episode on that for a long time about what is the relation between volcanoes and UFOs. We've heard about that in Mexico. We've heard about that in other parts of South America. I mean, this is not like something completely out of the question and totally outlandish to hear because other people have told similar stories. So did Lieutenant Colonel French actually see cigar shaped UFOs coming out of volcanoes? Your guess is as good as mine, but he says he saw it. And this is a guy that was willing to tell his stories up until his passing in November of 2014. so what do you make out of the legends of Lieutenant Colonel Richard French here today on episode 184 of UAP totally up to you but I really enjoyed for one going over those stories and actually relating it to some other things we spoke about here before on the show in the past and to that one story that I had never told until today so pretty interesting how this all came together here for this episode but with all that said coming up next on UAP, because that'll do it here for today. But I think you should look forward to what's going to come up here next on UAP, because I'm going to bring on a special guest, someone who has fans and someone who has haters, someone who some people say is absolutely in the right with a lot of things in the UFO community, and some people say that he doesn't belong in the UFO community. And you know I've never been one to shy away from controversy here on the show. I'm always open to having different guests on here on the show, and that is no different with the next episode, because I'm going to have on a guest, a man by the name of Red Panda Koala. Goes by that on Twitter. If you don't know the legend of Red Panda Koala, this is a guy that is a very predominant voice in the UFO community on social media and has a lot of different stories and, quite frankly, controversies that surround him on social media. And I thought, you know what? I want to talk to this guy. I've seen a lot of the stuff that he's posted. I'm interested in what he has to say. I want to put it out there so you can decide on some of the things that he has opinions on. So I'm going to bring on the legendary Red Panda Koala. He has a huge following on social media. And he's going to come on here next on UAP in the next coming days. So stay tuned for that one. It should be a doozy. I'm not going to lie. I'm really looking forward to it. And he doesn't go on a lot of shows, so I really appreciate him being willing enough to come on here to UAP and talk. So, no, definitely looking forward to that. But outside of that, of course, as we head out, don't forget to download and subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcasts. That way you don't miss any episodes. It's literally on all the major platforms, so just search UAP and find me on social media at UAPodcast850. You can send me a direct message there, whatever you'd like to do. follow along so you get all the latest in what's going on here with the show and myself. Or you can send me a message directly through email. I'll give it out here again like I always do. S-D-I-E-N-E-R-U-A-P at gmail.com. It's S-D-I-E-N-E-R-U-A-P at gmail.com. So on that note, I hope you had fun with this one today. Very interesting stuff to think about and consider here on UAP, and I hope you enjoyed it. I did. I always love doing these original episodes. I'm glad I was able to get back to it today. And I can't wait to come back again with you right here on UAP. So thank you again for all the support and for everything. We're always coming back here. I'll keep going as long as you come back. So until next time, it's Stephen Diener here saying be well and thanks so much. Talk again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast. Thank you.