The Find Out Podcast

There Is Something Seriously Wrong With Donald Trump

48 min
•Dec 16, 20254 months ago
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Summary

The hosts discuss Trump's insensitive response to Rob Reiner's death, recent mass shootings in the US and Australia, and the failure of gun control policy in America. They also analyze Democratic infighting in the Texas Senate primary between Jasmine Crockett and James Talerico over Middle East policy, emphasizing the importance of winning Senate seats to secure Supreme Court nominations.

Insights
  • Trump's pattern of using tragedies for personal political gain demonstrates a fundamental lack of empathy that extends beyond public figures to policy decisions affecting millions
  • Republican empathy operates within narrow circles (immediate family/friends only), limiting their ability to support policies benefiting broader populations, whereas Democratic voters struggle with selective outrage
  • Gun violence prevention faces structural barriers not from public opinion (80-90% support universal background checks) but from special interest influence and political incentives that override constituent preferences
  • Democratic primary divisions over single-issue litmus tests (Gaza policy) risk losing winnable Senate seats, which could determine 3+ Supreme Court vacancies in the next decade
  • Foreign aid cuts (USAID represents <1% of budget) create long-term national security costs through radicalization and geopolitical power vacuums filled by China and Russia
Trends
Erosion of institutional norms: FBI leadership using agency resources for personal purposes without accountabilityInformation warfare: Authoritarian regimes (Russia, China) filling voids left by US soft power withdrawal in Venezuela and AfricaSupreme Court retirement timeline: 3 justices (Alito, Thomas, Roberts) likely to retire 2025-2035, making Senate control critical for judicial balanceDemocratic coalition fragmentation: Online activist pressure on candidates over foreign policy issues disconnected from voter priorities in target racesGun policy deadlock: Despite 80%+ public support for background checks, legislative action blocked by NRA influence and Republican political calculusSelective outrage dynamics: Social media amplification of low-priority issues (Gaza in Texas Senate race) while ignoring comparable crises (Sudan, Uyghurs)Empathy gap in policy: Conservative voters unable to extrapolate personal values to broader populations, limiting support for preventive social spending
Topics
Gun Violence Prevention PolicySupreme Court Nominations and Judicial StrategyDemocratic Primary Strategy in TexasTrump's Rhetoric and Empathy DeficitForeign Aid and National SecurityFBI Leadership AccountabilityGun Show Loophole and Background ChecksMass Shooting Response and Political ExploitationDemocratic Coalition ManagementGeopolitical Competition (US vs China/Russia)USAID Funding and DevelopmentSocial Media Activism and Political PrioritiesVoter Suppression in TexasIsrael-Gaza Policy in Democratic PoliticsEmpathy and Political Ideology
Companies
Facebook
Discussed for inadequate enforcement of gun sales bans; users circumvent restrictions via Marketplace despite stated ...
Rasmussen Reports
Right-leaning polling firm reportedly warned Trump his approval numbers are poor and would improve with economic popu...
NRA
Identified as special interest blocking universal background check legislation despite 80-90% public support
People
Donald Trump
Criticized for using Rob Reiner's death for political attacks and dismissing mass shootings with 'things happen' rhet...
Rob Reiner
Film director and comedian whose death by alleged son stabbing was exploited by Trump for political messaging about '...
Jasmine Crockett
Announced Texas Senate campaign; faced online attacks over Gaza policy votes despite similar positions to primary opp...
James Talerico
Running for Texas Senate; positioned as not taking PAC money in contrast to Crockett in Democratic primary
Kash Patel
Criticized for tweeting incorrect information about apprehending shooting suspect; represents politicization of FBI l...
Marjorie Taylor Greene
Republican who condemned Trump's Rob Reiner post, though hosts suggest motivation may be political convenience
Thomas Massie
Republican who condemned Trump's Rob Reiner post as part of 'never Trump block' within GOP
Clarence Thomas
Expected to retire in Trump's second term; his replacement could determine abortion rights for next decade
Samuel Alito
Likely to retire during Trump's second term; replacement critical for Roe v. Wade jurisprudence
John Roberts
Will be 75 when next president sworn in; potential retirement in next 10 years affects Supreme Court balance
Chuck Schumer
Hosts suggest he must use precedent to expedite Democratic Supreme Court nominees if party wins Senate
Ted Cruz
Current Texas senator; described as phony but benefits from Republican advantage in state
Barack Obama
Referenced as example of voting for candidate despite disagreement on single issue (gay marriage)
Janet Mills
Scheduled guest for Thursday episode; known for participating in ski shot activities
Rob Portman
Example of Republican who only supported gay marriage after his son came out; illustrates empathy gap
Quotes
"A very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood. Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling, but once very talented movie director and comedy star has passed away together with his wife, Michelle, reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding and uncurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known as Trump derangement syndrome"
Donald Trump (read by host)•Early in episode
"I think it's safe to say at this point that Republicans are perfectly fine with the level of gun violence we have in order to continue to have unfettered access to firearms. They don't care."
Host•Mid-episode
"States with stronger gun laws have less gun crime across the board. And we don't even have a universal background check system in this country to stop criminals from having guns."
Host•Gun policy discussion
"If you are torn as to whether people should rally behind Crockett or Talarico, consider this very important fact. It is extremely likely that Samuel Alito and probably Clarence Thomas will announce their retirement in the second two years of Trump's tenure."
Host•Texas primary discussion
"Texas is not a red state. It's a non voting state. Because the Texas legislature has made it incredibly difficult for people to vote freely and fairly and as quickly as possible."
Host•Texas election analysis
Full Transcript
Hey, everybody, welcome back to the find out podcast. Normally at the end of our episodes, we have a segment with Luke called get fucked. But I think this entire episode is going to be a get fucked Donald Trump episode. So we're going to just start it off with that. Unfortunately, most of what we are talking about today is not good news, both in the horrific amount of violence that we have seen across the country and the world since we last recorded, but then also talking about how Donald Trump has reacted to this. And so buckle up guys. I don't know how much we're going to be able to make light of this. But when you read this, I'm going to read Donald Trump's post about the Rob Reiner, this horrific, horrific murder of both Rob and his wife by apparently are allegedly by their son in a knife attack yesterday. So I'm going to read to you and Zach is not, by the way, has not read this yet. The other guys have read this. So we're going to get Zach in real time. So bear with me. Well, I read this. I'm not going to do a Trump voice. I'm just going to read it. So here's his truth social post from 11 o'clock yesterday or today. Oh, today just happened. 11 o'clock. Oh, OK. A very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood. Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling, but once very talented movie director and comedy star has passed away together with his wife, Michelle, reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding and uncurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known as Trump derangement syndrome, sometimes referred to as TDS. He was known to have driven people crazy, all caps, by his raging obsession of President Donald J. Trump with his obvious paranoia reaching new heights as the Trump administration. Surpasses all goals and expectations of greatness. And with the golden age of America upon us, perhaps like never before. May Rob and Michelle rest in peace. What? I mean, it's it's. No, I mean, it's it's Trump, you know, it's just her. Can we get Terry Cruz to read that for us? Yeah. Like I thought you were going to say, can we get Terry Tate office linebacker in the White House? And every time that old commercial where he was like tackled people were doing things wrong in the office. Every time Donald Trump grabs his phone, we should have to Terry Tate office live backer go and. Let's go. Knock it on. Pivot every time it's like, well, let me pivot into why they hate me and I'm awesome. And the by the way, the I love at the end like rest in peace. Rest in peace after I just talked to you and your wife, which by the way, as we said, this this this murder appears to have been committed by their son. Nothing to do with who has had. It's been reported has had many like drug and alcohol and probably mental health issues for years. Unfortunately, they're of their daughter discovered the scene. But the rest of the Sunday. Yeah. So he's been. Yeah. I mean, I think it's pretty obvious who did it. But just like I was telling these guys earlier, like. I don't expect Donald Trump to do anything good or to say anything good or to have any empathy whatsoever. But this motherfucker on this like is it's so bad that actually some Republicans, not many, some Republicans have condemned him and actually his old buddy Marjorie Taylor Greene. And Thomas Massey, who are kind of in that like new, new, never Trump block. Yeah, because it's politically convenient for them. Hey, but I just these are genuine, genuine policy based. They're big feelings. Right. I, you know, I did a video on this earlier and it's it's it's it's just so it's sad. Like I'm not even really angry anymore. I'm just sad. Exactly. And so many Americans like are fine with this. And even the video that I posted, which was just like Trump talking about Trump shitting on Rob Reiner less than a day before he's like was killed. Like I got people's there's they're like clicking the smile or the laugh button on Facebook because of it. They just don't care. Well, and if you'd asked Rob Reiner three days ago, hey, if you were ever stabbed to death, what do you think Trump would say he would have probably scripted this like he's a better writer. He's writing these fucking tweets, man. He would have predicted this and he also wouldn't have been surprised when it happened. So it's like we're in this like post logical post apocalyptic dystopian mind state together that where everything is just absurd. I mean, I'm laughing at it. I was I was thinking this morning and I was like, I'm like weirdly relieved that it was just the mental health crisis and addiction crisis, you know, epidemics that that took his life and not the MAGA crisis or the gun control crisis or the gun violence crisis, I should say, or, or, you know, the white nationalist, you know, KKK neo Nazi crisis like that. There are 500 epidemics and for some for some reason it feels better that it wasn't one of the political ones. I don't know. It's like, oh, at least there wasn't a MAGA. Like that would have made it worse, right, even though it's like this is equally fucked no matter how you cut it. And Trump could do anything about any of this stuff if he really wanted to. But he also could just say nothing. He could just shut the right like that. That particular case, like the president of the United States does not need to weigh in on that. He doesn't want to. But like he had to do it because he weirdly seemed to enjoy that Rob Reiner was knifed to death and his wife. Oh, guarantee. Like he likes. He likes when people don't even like that. Like that's that's it. You know, I bet he didn't even open Pornhub at 2am. Oh, God. Thanks for that image in my head. That's great. I don't need to see that. Yeah, it's just really. And then but then to pivot. So then we had this awful shooting at Brown University where I think at least two people were killed and eight others injured. And Donald Trump's answer to that. Things happen bad. But as as Luke said, things happen. Things do happen every day. You know, there's no need. There's no need to fly the hags, the flags, half mass for the college students. They got killed. There's only one kind of a school shooting we care about. And that's when podcasters get killed. That's when we fly him half mass. Yeah, yeah. I know the the the beating up of a of a victim of violent crime. I feel like there was a slightly different response. You know, when he was steaming and spewing hot lava directly into the camera from the resolute desk after the Charlie Kirk incident. Yeah, I'm pretty sure, you know, I think there was and you know, man, Civil War, I feel like that was the vibe. Right, I can't. I can't. I blacked out most of it. I put you're on the right track. The damage thing that we haven't even mentioned yet is that they released the person of interest, the second person of interest. They're still large as far as I know. I believe that's true still. And Kash Patel yesterday, of course, when all his if that it wisdom was tweeting about apprehending that person. And then it turned out to not be the right person. And Trump did that too. Trump did it the day it happened. He said that these guys are caught the guy and then that no, it's not true. I mean, these guys are idiots. I mean, this is again like when you put and you put a troll in charge of the FBI and you're going to get troll behavior. You're not going to get somebody that actually knows what they're doing. They're going to want to pump their chest. They're going to want to fly the FBI jet to go see his girlfriend, which happens by the way. He's done several times with no actual business costing the country hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars in the process. And then he's out there giving inaccurate information because he is still acting like he did before he was in the administration where they could just say whatever the hell they wanted because their audience would lap up, whatever they said and no one would ever fact check that works a little differently when you're the FBI director. But that's true. You can't just say things like that. Like it has to be true. Yeah, not apparently not. I mean, what's the that's the thing with all the records? Exactly. Like what in the end? What's the what do they get in trouble for? Nothing like nobody's going to hold them to the fire. That's the hard part. What do you do? Yeah. And I think in these like and I said this this weekend, you know, I think it's safe to say at this point that we're going to be like, I think it's safe to say at this point that Republicans are perfectly fine with the level of gun violence we have in order to continue to have unfettered access to firearms. They don't care. Yeah, they do not care. That's the trade. They're willing to make it. They've made it. That's it. They will make it forever. Yeah. I was on a call earlier. We were talking about like, what do you even say at this point? And I think the things you just we have to keep reiterating that states with stronger gun laws have less gun crime across the board. And we don't even have a universal background check system in this country to stop criminals from having guns. You can go online, all bunch of places, including Facebook and find a private sale and then go meet in the grocery store parking lot, exchange cash. That gun is gone and that person who sold it has absolutely no idea who they gave it to and they are not legally required to. I don't understand why we can't even stop that. Because like Facebook is like, oh, I stopped it. You know, we can't you can't sell guns on Facebook. But then like you go to marketplace and there's ads where it's like looking the third picture for what's for really for sale and then it's a fucking gun. It's like, oh, cool. You're doing great Facebook. You're doing great. Well, the craziest part about that is that is I've wallet. It's against their terms. It's perfectly legal in 30 or so states. There are there are about 20, 22 states that have passed, you know, and you can guess which states they are that have passed those laws. But yeah, that Republicans in the NRA hate to talk about the gun show loophole because it allows for unfettered access to guns with no background checks, no tracking, no, no, nothing. Like, why can't we use a I to track guns instead of take people's creative jobs? Like that would be a thing I would. Like, I don't need a picture of, you know, like a celebrity with three boobs or whatever I need. I need us to try. Where are you? Are you? That's what you say. I did. Did you watch Total Recall last night? I didn't. No, I watched a horror movie last night. It was really good. Yeah, but you get the reference, right? Please tell me you guys. Of course. Come on. Come on. I don't know. Tim. Tim. That's what AI is being used for is just trash graphic design knockoff work. And I feel like that's less valuable than if we maybe used it to like, I don't know. I would be tracks. You'll never get a new Republicans, but I don't have any problem with the gun registry. We should be able to track the four to 500 million guns that are in this country. We have absolutely no idea where they are. And we do not have. There were some some fixes to the next background check system, which is the national background check registry. But even that, you have to they have to beg red states to upload that data because they just don't give a shit. The standard Republican response. If you haven't done anything wrong, why are you? What's your problem? If you haven't done anything wrong, I mean, that's what they say to Hispanic people. We don't want to get pulled over when they're driving to work. So just comply. No, if you haven't done anything wrong, just just go right. There's nothing to fear, right? Nothing to fear. I don't know. I mean, like the thing that is interesting here is it's like Republican politicians are like that, but the average Republican is in favor of a lot of these gun laws. Like that's the part that's fucked up to me is like with a lot of this Republican shit, like the people and the politicians are in lockstep. But in this one, it's really just special interests and politicians. That's all it is. Because most people wonder what that special interest could be from. Well, the problem and it is that there's been poll after poll that shows somewhere between 80 and 90 percent of Americans back universal background checks. I think the problem though is on the right. It's not a litmus test, right? Like they want those things, but they will still vote for people who don't. They don't want to. And so that's why we are still in this. There are very few Republicans at this point that would even consider background check. There's a few senators, even fewer House Republicans that are willing to do it. So again, the only way that you are going to get those laws is when people stop voting for Republicans. That's it. Yep. Or when we get money out of special interest money out of politics. That's when that will finish too. That's coming this year, though. I think Trump's going to get that. Yeah, he's really good. You know, he's not really interested in taking money from anybody. No, no, he's very big. He's not a big fan of money. Well, I was actually scared politically. I was scared that he was going to back up a ban on stock trades for members because I thought they were going to be able to take that issue away from us. But I think he said that a bunch of people whispered in his ear. Don't watch him do that. Yeah, don't do that. That's where we get all over. So we can have that. We can have that back. Though we have struggled getting people on our side to go along with that too, which I do not understand. No, I don't. It makes no fucking sense. But I mean, like Trump has no interest in pivoting to good ideas. I read a story this morning from the Washington Post where it was like, I think it was the head of Rasmussen, the polling group. Pretty much went to him. It was like, your numbers suck, dude. And if you just change to like a message of economic populism, you'll do great. And he pretty much was like, nah, fuck off. I don't care. And it just doesn't give a shit. Well, yeah. And if Rasmussen, which is a right leaning is probably being too nice. But if they're telling him that his numbers are bad, his numbers are very, very bad. But it's the same thing with COVID, right? Like if he had, if in COVID, if he had just rallied the country together, like he would have beaten Joe Biden. I actually don't think it would have even been a question. But he handled that so badly because he had, well, first of all, his instincts sometimes treat him well and sometimes hurt him a lot. And in that case, it was. And I think this is the same thing. He is, he's going to do what he's going to do. But like he's going to drag Republicans down with him, which is perfectly fine with me. He's doing a job for us. We're not doing shit. I mean, he's, he's the one who's just about there being like, let me just destroy the country and I'll hand it to the Democrats. It'll be great. Yeah. Well, I want to go to some Democrat on Democrat violence in a second, but I want it. Go ahead. Before we get to that, I got it. We got it. There's nothing we haven't talked about yet. So let's, before we get to that one, let's go to that. That's what it's going to. Right. I'm a professional moderator. Another one. I know where we're going. Where are we going? Are we going to Australia? Yeah. Yeah. See. Dammit. So the other. I can't believe we got a joke out of that. So the other horrible, horrible thing this weekend was the anti-semitic attack on Jewish people, I believe celebrating Hanukkah in Australia and Bondi Beach, I believe, shot by a father son duo. I think 15 people died more injured. And also there's just harrowing footage of a man by the name of Ahmed Ahmed that actually wrestled one of the shooters and got the gun away from him while getting shot in the process but probably saved countless lives. But of course it inflamed all of the anti-semitic and anti-Muslim fervor that reverberates when it's something awful like this happens. And you know what was interesting? What the prime minister of Australia said in response to that? I think we need to strike their gun laws. What a novel concept. That's crazy. Yeah. Right. You have a problem. You find a problem. You offer a solution to that problem. It's that easy if you don't have the NRA. And the other thing to note, because people are like, well, they already have strong gun laws. They have been in the last 30 years. Two, isn't it? It's like two or three. Do you know what I mean? We've had this year? 359. I knew that one. Yeah. Almost 400. No, 392 in 359 days. That's what it is. Oh, 392. And they banned a lot of guns in there was a horrible mass shooting in I think Tasmania. I've been with 32 people. A long time ago. And they banned a lot of guns 30 years ago. I think it was 30 years ago, 25 years ago. They banned guns and then they've only had two or three cents. Yeah. It works. It works. Of course it works. I think the fact that it was it appears that was a couple of Muslim people who did this, but then it was also a Muslim person who interfered. Maybe that's why Donald Trump hasn't posted anything about 15 Jewish people being murdered since. You know, he took the time yesterday to post about the Trump gold card, you know, if you want to pay a million dollars to come here. Jesus Christ. You know, they talked about Caroline Levitt's lips or something at some point. That was a while ago. Yeah, this morning or last night between those perfect lips. Right. Oh, no, no, no, no. He did it again. You mean he posted he re-truthed another thing yesterday about a re-truth. Why the fuck is that? That's the dumbest thing. She's awesome in every way. He re-posted yesterday. So he's got time to talk about paying. Oh, we know she likes older men to emigrate. Took time to talk about Caroline Levitt being awesome in every way, but he hasn't taken the time to, you know, mourn the loss of 15 lives in gun violence. I'm trying to figure out why. Mourn's losses that are personal. He doesn't shit about it. Oh, yeah. He doesn't even fucking do that. He's got it all in the game. He was itching to talk about his fucking ballroom like 24 hours after Charlie Kirk got killed. Yep. He doesn't even give a fuck about people close to him. He cares exclusively about himself. It's just right. It's like, well, this is a hard one. He'd be like, you know, it's fine. What are you going to do? Yeah, things happen. Kids go, whatever. I can always make more. Well, he actually doesn't have any friends. I mean, he has one friend, Charlie Epstein. Charlie Epstein? Why did I say that word? He has two friends, I guess, in combination. Charlie Epstein. I think it's Jeffrey. Jeffrey, my God. What is wrong with you? What is wrong with you? Jeffrey Epstein was his best best friend. I'm having a stroke. Well, I was in California last week. I was in California last week, guys. So I slowed way down. The sun was shining. And then I'm back in the 19 degree weather. It snowed and everything. But no, Jeffrey, Jeffrey Epstein was his best friend. And now his best friend's not around anymore. And so he doesn't have anybody else. I mean, who is he going to hang out with? Like Rudy Giuliani? Like Steve Bannon, who's also in those photos from the FC, which we talked about the four photos. Woody Allen and Bill Clinton, because you got to throw him in there. Because I love when those got released last week, Republicans like they selectively released them. But they released one with Bill Clinton. That's not a good job. That's not a good job. That's not a good job. Selectively. Like, you know, yeah. But he's just an awful human being. And I think it plays to this whole that why Republicans and Democrats don't understand each other anymore, because the Republican Party of today has zero empathy for anyone. And we do. And when you don't have any empathy, I could see why you would look at us to be like, why do you even care if you don't give a shit about anybody other than yourself? And that's the interesting thing. I feel like the Republicans and empathy, I feel like they do have empathy, but only for people they know. Yes. Like that's all. That's the key difference. Like Republicans will not be able to understand something like this, like looking at a tragedy of any kind of going, well, I feel bad. But the second their neighbor that they like gets shot, they're like, well, fuck, we got to rethink this whole gun thing. Like it's just that's all it is. But they don't even do that, though. I know. That's true. They usually don't. Like not a single person after Charlie Kirk got killed was clamoring for gun control. There wasn't a single fucking one. They don't know. They literally have to know you personally. Yeah, but these are people that they would literally talking about him like he's their brother. I mean, they're the ones talking about you need to be fired if you say anything about Charlie. We'll just do that guy. Care enough to ask for gun control. That video where it was like, Charlie died, Charlie died. I'm like, you're what? You don't know what is going on here. I mean, I think it's horrible that anybody gets gunned down, but I'm like, right, I wouldn't do a video with like my tears. Like if I don't know somebody on the left, like that happened to that I don't know, I would feel awful about it. But that was a performance, right? That was for clicks and whatever. But if I am that sad about it, I'm not putting a fucking video out there like I never thought about my members in the video where I'm trying. Be honest. Not once. As for people who are pretty online all the time, like I don't have any interest in doing that either. No, like you don't have to share all this stuff. I mean, he did it for attention, right? It wasn't really about Charlie Kerr, but yeah, it's just it's really messed up. I mean, the perfect example that I always go back to is Rob Portman, who used to be a senator from Ohio, was staunchly anti gay marriage until his son came out as gay. And then all of a sudden he's like, wait, gay people are people. We should they should have the same or similar rights to us. And it's like, you know, why did it take you having a child to understand that? But that's how they are, right? That's that's how it works. I need that personal like experience with it. They can't speculate about how they'd feel about something. It's impossible. And that's like, I get it. Like I that's a part of it where I look at it. I'm like, I'm not going to hold that against them. It's like literally they're incapable of it. I don't think that if they tried, like even if they went to therapy, they'd be able to figure it out. These are like some people are just built to not have that ability to like transfer empathy beyond their circle with people they know. It's like, it just creates bad play. Somebody did a really good video about this. I was going to see if I could find it quickly, but I cannot. They were talking about how they did a big study on Republicans versus Democrats or conservative conservatives versus liberals on empathy. And they had they asked people about it was like 20 circles of your society, all the way from like you and your personal family, all the way out to like inanimate things like rocks and the entries and, you know, things that have no feelings and that don't necessarily feel pain. And they asked people if if you care deeply, you know, for this thing and then at the next level and the next level, and you guys know how this turned out. But Republicans, it was actually shocking. They made it like two circles out. It was essentially my immediate family and my immediate best friends. And then everything after that, it had like you had to find your way into that circle for them to access empathy for that tier that, you know, that group of people, if they don't, if you're not in the family, if you're not the best friend, they don't care. And they have they like have a cognitive gap where where for me, I'm like, why do I feel bad if a like if a squirrel gets hit? I'm like, damn it. You know, like I'm like, yeah, I think you have maybe that much empathy. I can control. I'm pretty well. I'm probably three circles out. I can I can control that at least where I'm like, well, fucking shit happens. But like if I have to choose, I'd rather care about trees and people in other countries and all the different circles and my family and friends than exclusively my family. Sounds exhausting, though, to be like that's the part for me where I'm like, I obviously the first few circles I'm like obvious. But then after that, I'm like, this just sounds like too much hurt, you know, like the shitty things all the time everywhere. Oh, I internalize it. You know, I think living a life as a Republican, probably easier, way easier, right? Way easier. I mean, ignorance is bliss, right? Like if you if you don't possess that and you're looking at us, you're like, why are you guys worried about the hundreds of thousands of people, including children that died when we cut USAID? And it's like, what do you what do you mean? Like there's like a little or two or it's like there's like for so for me, like even though I can only go two or three circles out, I can still want policies that defend many, many circles out because it's not about empathy for me. It's about what makes sense for society. Like the Republican approach to me, that's the that's the detriment. It's not about like, oh, they don't have empathy. It's like they can't even speculate out on what people would need. Outside of that circle, that is the problem. Well, and the thing the thing with USAID that I think it kills me is that we're not I mean, yes, some of that we are doing for empathetic reasons and that we are supposed to be the shining light on the hill and all that. But some of it's a national security play, too. If you if you lift these these people up who have nothing, they are far less likely to be radicalized and turn into terrorists wherever they are. Right. So like there is a it is and it is much cheaper, even though these we talk civilians here, it is much cheaper to do that than to fight a war in Iraq, for example. Right. Like you so like and then prison everyone you have to imprison and then feed all of the people that you that got abandoned because of the war. Like right. Yeah. Or you build them up, you give them tools and you help them you know, become self sufficient and then someday hopefully you eventually leave. That is a far cheaper than everyone's like USAID is like 30 percent of the budget. I think it was one percent or point seven percent. It's tiny tiny. And like this is why like they cut it and it's like, how did doge not save any money? And it's like, well, because like you're dealing in trillions of dollars. So if you cut millions, it's really doesn't like move the needle. Right. And then there's all the ricochet effects of like, well, you know, maybe we have to do in the occursions in places that we didn't. We don't have anybody, you know, like it's just it's just bad. But you can't get Republicans like you can't get them to like get there. Like they all think aid is bad and it's 30 percent. And we're just like letting like letting people live high off US tax dollars, which is like, if you look at it, is not remotely close to true. No, it's insane. We talked about the we talked about the role of voice of America in Venezuela last week, you know, that you there's that information chasm now in Venezuela. And now they're getting all of their information from Russia and China. And now we are maybe going to be fighting them over this instead of influencing them in a more positive sense. And I guarantee that those strikes are going to be a hell of a lot more expensive than some fucking radio stations. Right. Well, it's it may be even to a worse degree in Africa, where we are we are leaving and the Chinese and the Russians are coming in very like resource rich areas. And wars are almost always fought over resources. So like, because let's be honest, our wars in Iraq was about oil. It was not about anything other than weapons of mass destruction. So we'll be we'll be greeted as liberators. How did that work out, by the way? And how much do we spend on that? A trillion dollars or something like that? I'm still waiting to be greeted as a liberator. Zach, back to the empathy thing, because like it's such a good point that, no, just allowing yourself to be ruined by empathy like that serves nobody. Right. Like so don't you don't want to internalize it. This is something I think the left struggles with all the time is feeling terrible because there's deforestation in Brazil so that you feel terrible and are worse for it helps nobody. And then your life is just shittier and you're probably less likely to do something useful because you're just like, well, everything's fucked. You know, it's the doom spiral shit that we see so often. But if it does encourage you to, you know, learn like, is there any is anyone trying to help this cause? Is there somewhere I can donate money? Can I make a fucking video about it? Can I reshare something like that's all it takes. And so, you know, it's not do I feel bad about this or not? Or do I feel empathy for these people or not? It's. Am I able to am I better informed to take action and support actions being taken to solve this? But it's also, I think we have to call out the role of privilege because if you're if your immediate circles are. Middle class or upper middle class and like healthy and white and male and straight, like then it's then it just happens to be very convenient that by only paying attention to your core circle, you're also just passively perpetuating a whole lot of the social problems we have with class and privilege. So yeah, we got to try to keep that this. We just say it out loud sometimes, I feel like like, keep me honest. That's that's fair. I mean, you know, humans are humans are also very group oriented people. It's just like we're describing whose group is, you know, how much further outside of your your your group can you look and feel, you know? And like, I don't know. I think for me, it's like, personally, COVID was the one where I could point out like, oh, I actually gave a shit about people suffering from COVID because like there's an immediate threat that's not typical. And you're like, well, we can either I can either get behind the like the right ideas or I can be a detriment to it and potentially hurt people because the more people that acted like Republicans, the bigger the opposition voice of the right thing occurs, you know. But then when it gets to smaller issues where it's like more packed into a tiny little corner, that's where I'm like, eh, you know, what's my voice? What's the value of my voice? Probably nothing, you know, that's so I just shy away. Well, and you can't. Help, we just lost the last video. Exactly. The internet guy said, Zach, shut the fuck up. What the hell? Well, it's a tribalism. Why write that gone? Didn't even do it. What I would say that is the human brain cannot. You can't process all of the bad that's happening in the world. Right. So I understand. Right. I try every day. You try. Yeah. Like, you know, I mean, there are so many horrific tragedies. Sudan has been in like in civil war for 20, 25 years. The Uighurs in China have been basically in concentration camps in which China doesn't let anybody talk about. And yeah, there's like there's and like or even homelessness in the United States. Right. Like and I think that people just have to find the things that they can do to help make a difference and feel do their little part. But I agree. Like you can't just like I hate everything in the world because it's so unfair. It's like, well, you also have to live your life and you also have to focus on what you can help. And so, you know, that like I loved seeing so many people when the shutdown occurred. Democrats, by the way, that like we're like, we're going to we're going to help food food banks and food pantries and make sure that there's enough food to pick up the slack. Republicans didn't do that. Yeah, I was going to say, I mean, you mean the people that clamor about, you know, pro life, they didn't do that, Tim. They they try to work hard to feed the kids that were hungry. Well, not. Yeah. Wait, you're to use my money to do that. Hell, no. Right. Like, I don't know. Get the fuck away from me. I heard everything that I got. The bootstraps. Right. Right. Yeah, it's just crazy. Well, speaking of crazy, because I'm going to pivot off all this bad news to go to something that is more infuriating than sad. Evictively comical news. Democrats in disarray in Texas. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So we now have basically two Bane set of candidates in the race, James Tellerico's been in for a little while. And then Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett announced that she was running last week and she did this video, this launch video, which was actually very unique and that it was just a profile of her face with Trump saying all kinds of bad things about her. Well, the online left lost their absolute minds and started to accuse her without evidence in some instances of being a shill for a pack and taking a pack money and loving Israel and hating Gaza. And the James Tellerico was the only person in the race that would hold up the like what didn't take a pack money. Now, of course, most of the rage turned out to not be true. And Jasmine Crockett had an explanation of like, yeah, I voted for a bill that had defensive funds for Israel, but it also had money for Gauzim. I also didn't vote for some bills that were specifically aid for Israel. And and like if you look online in Amanda's mile takes, who's our our friend and does lots of research in this area has been banging her head against the wall and threads all weekend saying an early late last week, guys, their position is almost the same. There is no daylight. And also, why are we making this the litmus test for a Democratic Senate primary in Texas? Right. The Middle East really relevant on this one. Like I'm all for, you know, people not taking a pack money and I don't like the group a pack, but it feels like there is some, you know, we're attacking a woman of color and there's some anti-Semitism going on here and it's bullshit. And but we're seeing the left tear themselves apart over this race that, by the way, you're going to have to run a perfect straight in order to win that. Like we would have to do every single thing right. Right. Trump has to do every single thing wrong and more wrong than he has already. Do you have a chance at that? So like, why are Democrats tearing themselves apart over this? But there are other races that we don't hear the same thing about. And I'm sure there are similar, you know, positions that candidates have across the country. Like we haven't heard really about it in Maine, like between Mills and Platter. By the way, Jan Mills will be on Thursday. But like, what are we doing here? So I the shortest answer is that people don't leave their house enough and they should leave their house more and go do things. Touching grass, grass, roll in it for like a while. Put your phone down. The I do want to go up one click, though, because this is something that we heard. Anytime I talk about Gavin Newsom, people are like, he takes APAC money. One, he doesn't. To APAC doesn't care about the governor in California. You guys like they don't they're not. So no, first, there's that. But also we have to talk about just donations and influence, because even if everybody got money from somebody that they that you didn't like, that doesn't mean they're going to go do something to help that organization. Sometimes dollars come in. It might be five thousand dollars out of fifty million that you raise just because they took money from somebody. If it's not affecting their behavior, if it's not if it's not changing their votes, if they're not having legislation written for them by super PACs, which is literally what Republicans do, then I just don't really care that much. But then, like to your point, Tim, that there are seven hundred and thirty seven things that are more important to Texas voters right now, probably, then whatever is happening in the Middle East, like twelve thousand miles away between two countries who have been or two groups of people, actually like one hundred and fifty groups of people who have been at some level of war or conflict for two thousand years. So right, let's like, like at least stack rank your priorities before you choose whether you're going to vote for Crockett or Talerico or even worse, like push out some shit in the world that's like, this is the hundred fictor reasons why leftists should abandon the primary race in Texas. I'm like, fucking stupid. Do we learn anything from twenty twenty four? Because this happened not that long ago with. Well, I think what we should learn is not listen to those people. Right. It's a small group, too. Right. It's small and loud. And I think so many views like those videos go apeshit. They do because they get everybody yelling and that's the whole thing, right? All the engagement and the threads is like, oh, jack that up. Like if you if you are like if you want a candidate that you agree with a hundred percent of the time, you're in the U.D. You you you you're not a right country. It is impossible, right? It's not in the real world. Compromise is what makes this government work. I worked for Barack Obama's campaign when he was against gay marriage. Like was I supposed to not vote for him because of all the other things? Like getting out of Iraq and doing all that dumb shit? So I was supposed to vote for Ralph Nader, which is how we got George Bush. That was shit. Absolutely. So like and but I think what we have to do is just ignore these people because like you're right, Zach, they're a small segment. Tining. And I'm sorry. Like I care deeply about what is happening in Israel and Gaza. But it's not a litmus test for me, whether I vote for James Talerico or Jasmine Crockett. First of all, both can't vote for any of them. So what does it matter? And but like I am not going to like we we are to five alarm alarm fire here, folks. If we don't take Congress back this year next year, excuse me, we're fucked. We're fiddly fucked. We're fucked. Like we need at least the House for investigations and to grind them to a halt, make Donald Trump crazy and make sure that the Democrat becomes president in 2028. But if we're going to have these stupid, it is stupid. I'm sorry. And I know there's life at life at risk here, but there's life at risk in all of these things. You can't just be like this one over this one. Because where are these people about? Second time, the Uighurs, they don't talk about that. They don't talk about Sudan. So it's also selective outrage, even though it is something to be outraged about. It's like the lowest hanging outrage. It's stupid. Here's. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. So I just got to get this in because I did a video about it. And so it's top of my mind. Yeah. If you are torn as to whether people should rally behind Crockett or Talarico, consider this. Very important fact. It is extremely likely, extremely likely that Samuel Alito and probably Terrence Thomas, Clarence Thomas, both will announce their retirement in the second two years of Trump's tenure. And the reason why is because both of those guys, they're going to be 79 and 81 when the next president is sworn in. It is extremely likely Democrats are win the White House in the next cycle. And if they even do a remotely decent job, it'll mean a Democratic president will be in charge of nominations to the Supreme Court until 2037. If that's the case, then you're looking at Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito having a two year window for their replacement to get through the Senate. Or they're going to be replaced by a Democrat unless they can work into their fucking nineties. And that is even even if they can, their egos might like might carry them that far. But bodies might fail them. But they but they might not be able to serve. Yes. And so. They are probably banking on the Republicans holding the Senate so that they can announce those after all of these fucking trash decisions go through. Yes. If we steal the Senate against all the odds. Then it puts them in a really, really, really difficult position. And John Roberts is not that much farther behind. He's going to be 75 when the next president is sworn in. That's the chief justice. So we're talking about three Supreme Court seats that will have to go through probably in the next 10 years. And that 10 year clock starts really right now as soon as we start picking our candidates for the Senate. So that's why deal with all your shit because we could put Roe versus Wade back into play real fucking quick if we had the six three Supreme Court majority. That is 100 percent. Yes. Right. Like are you real? I keep seeing this. I think it's bullshit. I think it's a fair amount of Russian bots. People like. But if they agree would be on Gaza, I'm not voting. I'm like. So you are. First of all, you're a fucking idiot. And second of all, you're not paying attention to anything. You're going to take one issue and you're going to basically let John Cornyn or worse, Ken Paxton just roll in or we can win. Not steal rich win a seat that we shouldn't, which gives us a much better chance at even even if one of them retires in the second, the second half of the second term. If we have the if we have a fifty one forty nine Democrat, he's going to have to either he won't get it because they won't put it through or it's going to have to be somebody more moderate, which is a win as well. Yeah, I think we have to worry about John Federman, but it's merit. Garland, those people just give him the merit card. Oh, Mary Garland, the son. No, I could you imagine his true social posts if Congress was owned entirely by Democrats and there was like a seven votes on the precedence. There's there's precedence for it. So it's like, OK, fuckers, Mitch McConnell did this. Now, Chuck, if you're listening out there, Chuck Schumer, who probably will still be the majority leader for the rest of this term, if you don't do this, there is going to be a mutiny in the Democratic Party. So you damn well better gum the shit out of that. This is the redemption arc for Trump for Chuck Schumer. Thank you, that you're out and gum that shit. Oh, oh, let's just say there's nothing else. I mean, that's a by a hoodie. Perfect. Any by a hoodie. But it is stupid and I hope people. But I also caution people to avoid engaging with it because and I fall in trap to this a few times. But like you're just you're just amplifying them. And it is not a large group of people. Yeah, it's just just people who will agree with it will still go and vote. It's the majority of the time. It's a very small group of people that actually won't do it. But I think that like the plus side of all this is it's two really good candidates. Like they'll both be way better than Beto or work was. I mean, that's for fucking sure. I mean, his first run. He did really well. He did well. But like I just I don't I think he's just like a phony. And I just don't think that plays really well, like, especially in Texas. They really like, you know, I mean, Ted Cruz is a phony person in the world. I know, it's just say, you know, but like, you know, but he has an R. Rafael is rich. He's got the. It's a plus. It's a plus 14, right? Is it plus 14 or 12? It's a lot. It is a mountain decline. Now, we need to run up huge margins in cities. We need we need we need really good people. I just saw somebody describe they said Texas is not a red state. It's a non voting state. And because because the Texas legislature has made it incredibly difficult for people to vote freely and fairly and as quickly as possible. And so they've suppressed millions and millions of of mainly, you know, working class voters in the big cities. When you look at the number of big cities in Texas, it looks a lot like the other big blue states where you're like, how is this a red state? We just got to get those people out to vote. And so whether it's Telerico or Crockett, hopefully they expose some issues without getting really horrific in the primary battle and then one endorses the other, whoever wins and then they show it up real quick. And that will happen because we can. I agree. They're both smart enough to know what's at stake here and what needs to happen. We just need to as a movement, not shoot ourselves in the foot with our very first shot at at doing something good coming out of 2024. There is a standing invitation to both state senator Telerico and Congresswoman. 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