Episode 275: Can You See the Matrix with THIS Method? & Fossilized Human Shoeprints!?
54 min
•Jan 23, 20264 months agoSummary
Host Joshua P. Warren explores the controversial claim that DMT combined with laser pointers can reveal a 'matrix' of computer code, discusses fossilized human footprints and their scientific debunking, and shares a personal anecdote about interviewing actor Gil Gerard from Buck Rogers.
Insights
- Subjective psychedelic experiences cannot be scientifically validated as evidence of objective reality, as hallucinations originate from individual consciousness rather than external phenomena
- Popular paranormal claims about fossilized modern human footprints have been systematically explained by paleontologists as natural rock formations and mineral concretions, not genuine artifacts
- Early humans may have worn basic footwear far earlier than previously documented, with 150,000-year-old South African footprints showing evidence of sandal-like sole impressions
- The combination of illegal drug use and laser exposure presents serious health and legal risks that outweigh speculative benefits of attempting to 'see the matrix'
- Personal hero meetings can be valuable despite the adage 'never meet your heroes,' though complicated personalities may make professional collaborations difficult
Trends
Growing online communities promoting unverified psychedelic-based reality perception techniques without scientific validationPersistent cultural fascination with simulation theory and matrix-like interpretations of reality despite lack of empirical evidenceIncreased public interest in ancient human capabilities and evidence of early technology adoption (footwear, tools)Skepticism toward paranormal claims when subjected to rigorous paleontological and geological analysisRevival of interest in classic 1970s-80s science fiction properties and potential reboots
Topics
DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) and psychedelic drug experiencesSimulation theory and matrix-like reality perceptionFossilized human footprints and paleontological evidenceTrilobite fossils and Cambrian period paleontologyLaser safety and eye damage risksAncient human footwear and early shoe technologyParanormal investigation methodologyPsychic communication and entity interactionTelevision history and actor interviewsReality manipulation and space-time hacking conceptsNatural rock formations and mineral concretionsSubjective versus objective experience validationParanormal artifact authenticationBuck Rogers television series and rebootsPersonal hero meetings and professional collaborations
Companies
iHeart Media
Podcast network distributor and host platform for Strange Things and Coast to Coast AM paranormal content
Coast to Coast AM
Paranormal podcast network partner providing platform and audience for Strange Things episodes
Hercules Incorporated
Employer of William J. Meister, the rockhound who discovered the controversial Utah trilobite footprint in 1968
Discovery Health
Television channel that aired a special about Gil Gerard's gastric bypass surgery transformation
Henry Ford Museum
Houses the famous display of a test tube containing Thomas Edison's last breath, collected by Henry Ford
People
Joshua P. Warren
Host of Strange Things podcast discussing paranormal phenomena, matrix perception, and fossilized footprints
Gil Gerard
Star of Buck Rogers TV series; deceased December 2025 at age 82; interviewed multiple times by Warren
Brad Steiger
Paranormal researcher and author of 'Mysteries of Time and Space' discussing fossilized footprints and anomalies
William J. Meister
Discovered controversial fossilized human footprint with trilobite at Antelope Springs, Utah in 1968
Thomas Edison
Last breath captured in test tube by Henry Ford; died 1931 at age 84 from diabetes complications
Henry Ford
Close friend of Thomas Edison; requested and preserved Edison's last breath in test tubes
Jim Castle
Television director who worked on X-Files and Cheers; facilitated Warren's interview with Gil Gerard
Stu Phillips
Composer of music for television shows including work on Knight Rider theme
Quotes
"Would you like to be able to see the matrix with your naked eyes? I'm talking about being able to squint your eyes in a certain way and suddenly before you see all around you what looks like programming codes, zeros and ones just flowing up and down."
Joshua P. Warren•Early in episode
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. It's good to stay on top of it but also you can waste your time a little bit and not look at things from the proper point of view."
Joshua P. Warren•Mid-episode discussion
"For a little while, I was a movie star, not just a TV star. When Buck Rogers originally came out, it was originally at the movies on the big screen and it was a big hit."
Gil Gerard•Anecdote section
"To do this experiment, you would have to do two things that you should not do. For one thing, you're supposed to take DMT, which is in most cases an illegal drug. And the second thing is you'd have to get your eyes really close to a laser beam."
Joshua P. Warren•DMT and laser discussion
"If everything is built of this code and you can start manipulating it, well, then space and time should also be manipulatable."
Joshua P. Warren•Matrix code manipulation theory
Full Transcript
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How does it all tie together? Well we'll see if we can make it fit somehow. Would you like to be able to see the matrix with your naked eyes? I'm talking about being able to I don't know, squint your eyes in a certain way and suddenly before you you see all around you what looks like programming codes, zeros and ones just flowing up and down maybe even side to side three dimensionally and you say oh my gosh I knew it I can now see that I am immersed within some kind of a large holographic system. This is a big holodeck straight out of Star Trek and I am part of a computer program and who knows exactly who the programmer is I guess that's what one might call God. On the other hand maybe it's much more complex than that. Well we're going to get into that in a minute because there are people out there right now maybe you've seen this who are saying that they have been able to achieve this and I'm going to tell you what they are doing and what they are claiming that they are seeing. But first off let me take a moment just to ask you sort of like if you could if you could see the matrix like that do you think that that would help you make your life better or worse? Would it just freak you out too much and you'd rather just not know just be ignorant or would you like to see it and give yourself an opportunity to try to tap in there and do some programming. Hack into reality and I get so many emails all the time as you know from people who share some of their deepest thoughts with me and I get a fair share of emails from people who say they're really frightened right now about just the state of the world and where everything is heading and you know I understand people have always sort of felt that way though I mean if you think things are bad for example right now here in the United States well don't forget about a time called the Civil War when for years hundreds of thousands of Americans were doing their best to slaughter each other every day I mean like we've had some pretty dark times in this country and you know people are often saying I have a problem with how this politician or that politician is doing things and that's good the price of freedom is eternal vigilance I think that Jefferson said something like that it's good to stay on top of it but also you can waste your time a little bit and not look at things from the proper point of view let me explain what I mean by this it reminds me of this Greek story an ancient Greek story about the sword of Damocles you know this one so basically Damocles was what was called a courtier or he was he was sort of an advisor to a king in the king's royal court and the king who was considered a tyrant was named Dionysus so Damocles is in the court and he's an advisor to the tyrant king Dionysus and but Damocles is always kissing up to the king and telling him about oh how great it must be to be a king and how fortunate you are and how wonderful but how blessed you are and how and how smart you are and he and he's just constantly praising the luxurious life of Dionysus and after a while the king gets annoyed with this flattery and so he decides to hold a lavish banquet and he calls Dionysus and he says Dionysus I tell you what for all of your assistance to me we are going to trade places for an evening and you are going to be able to sit in the king's seat at the banquet so you can have an idea of what it's like to be a man with this kind of power and so of course Damocles is overcome he happily takes the seat and he's sitting there feasting away and at some point during his meal he happens to look up and realize that there is a razor sharp sword that is hanging directly above his head and it's held there only by a single horse hair so it takes him a second to realize there is this sword over my head with a horse hair holding it at any moment a million things could happen the wind could blow the wrong way somebody could come up and cut that thing there and boom he's toast so at this point Damocles suddenly he realizes there is an imminent threat and he immediately jumps up out of the seat and says no please king you know I'm happy with my old life and the lesson here is that he realizes that power and luxury and this thing this thing that we associate with some of these leaders and politicians is not what it's always cracked cracked up to be and that you know what they get in return is they live in constant fear anxiety and so the sort of Damocles it symbolizes this impending disaster or a looming threat representing the the inherent perils of being in powerful positions and so you have to ask yourself before you start being too critical of how politicians handle things whether or not you would want that job okay so it just it just reminds me of that when when people email me these these types of messages and I think it's important to think about because you know some people say life is short some people say life is long but you may as well enjoy as much of it as you can you know I I think a lot of people have lost someone recently I've been hearing about a lot of different loss and I want to tell you this just as an interesting little celebrity story that I've probably never talked about before that you might appreciate because Gil Gerard recently died and Gil Gerard played Buck Rogers on television and he was let's see he was 82 years old and I don't know exactly what he he died from I'm not sure that they've actually said okay that's right here it is a rare and viciously aggressive form of cancer so it doesn't say specifically but my understanding is that like you know he was told he had cancer and then within days he was dead it was like one of those things but I bring this up because back in around 20 years ago over two over 20 years ago I was working on a television program with a director named Jim Castle and Jim had worked on the X files and he had worked on Cheers and a lot of big stuff like that and he was a fan of my show and so maybe around like 2008 something like that he he and I were talking and I mentioned to him that when I was a kid I loved the TV show Buck Rogers and I mean did you ever watch that show I used to actually dress up and play Buck Rogers and I know you if you might be like you like Buck Rogers what are you were you born in 1925 were you into Howdy duty also it was like no I mean I'm gonna be 50 years old this this year and uh Buck Rogers came out originally that show in like 1978 79 something like that so yeah I was a kid and I would dress up and then later when my sister was born you know we would dress up and take cardboard boxes and make little spaceships and we would play like Buck Rogers so anyway I tell you this because by the way that theme music and they had that bass guitar you used to love that music and I actually interviewed a man named Stu Phillips one time who was a composer and I believe that he not only worked some on that but he was the guy who solely composed the the music to the night writer TV show anyway I have too many side notes and offshoots so anyway around 2008 my friend Jim Macastle he said oh well you're into Buck Rogers he says I know Gil Gerard would you like to interview him on your show he probably be happy to do it and I said oh yeah you kidding me absolutely so I got in touch with Gil Gerard and when we come back from this 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I am your host, the Wizard of Weird Joshua P. Warren, beaming into your wormhole brain from my studio in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is golden and every night is silver. Agiatato Zume. And you know, when Gil Gerard was about 60 years old, he was extremely unhealthy, extremely overweight, and he underwent gastric bypass surgery and they did a special, a whole TV show about it on, I think it was maybe Discovery Health or one of those channels. And that just did wonders for him. And so when I met him, actually, well, when I first started talking to him, he was, I guess, like in his early 60s, and he had like this whole new lease on life. And so he came on to my show, which at that time was called Speaking of Strange. It was a live radio program that I broadcast from Asheville, North Carolina every Saturday night for three hours. He came on and he was great, you know, he just was, he phoned in and I interviewed him for at least an hour. And we had a wonderful conversation. It was like, it was amazing to talk to this guy who played this onscreen hero that impressed me enough when I was a kid, you know, that I would, I would emulate that, you know, with childhood role play. But he's very charismatic. And after that, he and I started talking some, just, you know, privately on the phone. The first thing that I was surprised by was that, you know, he always came across very debonair as a character. He was great at acting that way. But when you started talking to him in person, he actually, he was born in Arkansas and he just kind of considered himself a good old boy. And he was proud of that. And he liked to talk about hunting and fishing and going out and doing, you know, country things. And he had a lot of strong political opinions that I think were probably not very popular in Hollywood, which may explain why that some of his work started to dwindle over the years. He also was, would use surprisingly coarse language sometimes, even with people he didn't know very well. And trust me, look, I got a dirty mouth. So I'm, but I'm just saying like I'm usually a little bit more careful about it. And he just seemed to like be okay with using some, some, I mean, I could tell you some stories, but obviously, you know, I can't use those kinds of words on the air. So you never knew what you were going to get with him. But it was so fun interviewing him that it became a little bit of a tradition, like at least for two or three years, I would interview him in January. And finally, I talked to him on the phone just privately and I said, you know, I have this script for this movie called Shelton, moral massacre about this incident that happened in North Carolina during the Civil War. I'm interested in producing it. Would you be interested in an acting in it? You know, even starring in it? And he said, absolutely. So one night, Lauren and I drove down to Atlanta, Georgia, which is where he lived. And I finished doing a show. I think it was I finished on a Saturday at like midnight or something. And then we got in the car and we arrived right in the middle of the night in Georgia. I got to the hotel room. There was a big banner. Welcome Joshua P. Warren. And there was chocolates and all these different treats. And I was to this day, I think he must have arranged that, but I don't know. So anyway, the following day, Lauren and I, we went to an Applebee's and we were sitting there at the table and look up and lo and behold, here comes Buck Rogers. And he walks in, sits down and it's just the three of us. And we had had a great conversation. You know, as a matter of fact, he said one thing that was very interesting to me is because I was fascinated with how his career developed. And obviously we have a lot to talk about in this show and this story is getting too long already. But what I will tell you is he said, well, you know, for a little while, I was a movie star, not just a TV star. And I said, Oh, is that right? And he says, yeah, he said, when Buck Rogers originally came out, he says it was originally at the movies on the big screen and it was a big hit. And I was a movie star. And then all of a sudden, you know, I'm a TV star because nobody remembers that I was a movie star. He was very upset about that. But anyway, so we decided to start. We were going to start pursuing this. And I started helping him out with his website design. Mobius helped him out with that. And we had made some possible plans for him to come to Asheville and do like a personal appearance. But the fact of the matter is I came to find that he was very, very suspicious of any kind of a business deal. And I think that's because he always thought that he got kind of screwed over by Hollywood and he became more and more difficult to work with. And so eventually I can't remember exactly what happened, but we just sort of parted ways, which was it was sad. But on the other hand, I mean, like what I can tell you is he was a very complicated man. He could be a very charming, warm individual. That's why he was a celebrity. But then he could turn around and he could be vicious also sometimes and kind of overreact to things. So I, you know, he was he was kind of a tragic figure in that sense, I believe. But I also hope that he had, you know, an enjoyable life. Heck, like I say, he was 82 years old and I sure enjoyed meeting him. You know, they say don't ever meet your heroes. Well, I I don't entirely agree with that because I'm glad that I met him. And I wish him well and I thank him for all the just the friendship and also just, you know, coming on to my show for years and being such a great guest. So hopefully I'll Buck Rogers is out there really, really exploring the stars now. Huh, Gilgerard. How about that? Born January 23rd, 1943 in Little Rock, Arkansas and then died there in Georgia December 16th of 2025. You know, it's funny. I was speaking of like your heroes and all that, you know, Thomas Edison, the great inventor was dear friends with Henry Ford. Those guys, they would travel all all the time all over the place together and they would go to the Grove Park in an Asheville and vacation together. And Henry Ford, especially just sort of idolized Thomas Edison's talent. And who wouldn't? I mean, Edison was one of the most profound geniuses who has ever lived. And so when in 1931, Edison was dying of complications from diabetes. And it was pretty apparent to everybody that the Edison was dying because Edison was an old man. Let's see how old was Thomas Edison at this point when he was on his way out? He so he was born in 1847. He died 1931. So that made him 84. So yeah, I know, you know, again, a guy with a long life. But as he was on his deathbed, Henry Ford contacted Thomas Edison's son, Charles, and Henry Ford made this very strange request. He said, Charles, will you do me a favor? Will you take a rack of test tubes and just put them open test tubes? Just put them right there on the bedside next to Thomas and capture his last breath. And Charles said he would do it. And sure enough, those vials were there when Thomas Edison took his last breath. Charles was prepared. He immediately sealed them all up with paraffin wax. And then he sent one to Henry Ford. And to this day, if you go to the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, Michigan, there is one of their most famous displays. It's a test tube sitting right there. And it is the test tube that contains Thomas Edison's last breath. You know, I don't know where the other ones are. I was trying to find out. I didn't look too deeply, but it seems like that maybe the rest of them ended up with the Edison estate. Boy, if any of you ever find one of those. What an actual example of, you know, one of those test tubes with Edison's last breath. I think that would look awfully nice in my collection. Oh, well. What do you think about this idea, though, that people are just a bit of information that when you die, you don't really die, that you just sort of you transmit yourself on to some other place in space time? Well, hmm, recently, people have been contacting me and saying, have you heard about this method that you can use supposedly to see the matrix with your naked eyes? All you need is a laser and some drugs. And I'm not joking. There apparently this started becoming popularized by a guy and I don't want to use his name, but by a guy who claimed that he had been taking DMT for years and that that. OK, let me first let me. I guess I should pause and say like there are a lot of different people from different backgrounds who listen to this show and not everybody knows what DMT is. DMT, dimethyl tryptamine, is is a hallucinogenic psychedelic drug. OK, and I've never taken it. So all I can do is tell you what I am reading about it. It has this rapid onset, intense effects and a relatively short duration or action, a duration of action. And for the for those reasons, DMT was known during the 1960s as the businessman's trip. Because he could have a full depth psychedelic experience in less time than using other substances. When we come back, I'm going to tell you more about this methodology and what I think of it. You take this drug and then you take a laser. I'll explain best I can and we'll see what what how legit this is. I'm Joshua P. Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast A.M. Paranormal Podcast Network. And I'll be back after these important messages. We are happy to announce that our Coast to Coast A.M. official YouTube channel has now reached over 300,000 subscribers. 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Hey there, this is Josh from Stuff You Should Know with a message that could change your life. The Stuff You Should Know ThinkSpring podcast playlist is available now. Whether Spring has sprung in your neck of the woods yet or not, the Stuff You Should Know ThinkSpring playlist will make you want to get your overalls on, get outside, and get your hands in the dirt. You can get the Stuff You Should Know ThinkSpring playlist on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Watch as we honor the biggest stars from all genres of music that you loved listening to all year long on your favorite iHeart radio station and the iHeart radio app. Icon Award recipient John Mellencamp. Innovator Award recipient Miley Cyrus. With performances by Alex Warren, Kailani, Lainey Wilson, Ludacris, Ray, TLC, Salt and Kappa, and Invoke. Plus, Taylor Swift makes her first award show appearance this year. Also, Gold Medal Olympian Alyssa Liu, Neo, Nick Colesher-Zinger, Nikki Glaser, Sombra, Weiser, and more. Watch live on Fox Thursday, March 26th, at 8-7 central. And listen on iHeart radio stations across America and the free iHeart app. On the iHeart radio and Coast to Coast AM, Aaron Orwell Podcast Network. Listen anytime, anyplace. Welcome back to Strange Things on the iHeart radio and Coast to Coast AM, Paranormal Podcast Network. I'm your host Joshua P. Warren, and this is the show where the unusual becomes usual. You know, I just realized it's time for a Buck Rogers reboot. Maybe I should be in charge of that. I need to buy the rights to Buck Rogers. If any of you big film producers out there want to work with me to make the new Buck Rogers, or to make, finally, a movie from my script for the Shelton Laurel Massacre, which I actually own. Just contact me. All right, so DMT. Demythal Triptamine. I've heard about this for years. So, okay, look, who can describe what a psychedelic experience is like? Like, it doesn't matter. Everybody can try in his or her own words, who has had one. But, you know, all I can tell you is that this DMT is illegal for one thing. They say that it does occur in its most basic form naturally in many plants and animals. In fact, if you go and look at the history of it, they say DMT derived from plant-based sources and has been used as some kind of a ritualistic psychedelic in South America for thousands of years, and then it was first synthesized, you know, turned into a real condensed chemical in 1931 by a Canadian chemist. And so, some people, they say they've taken thousands of these DMT trips, and they say they're totally fine. But, like, I don't know. Again, I've never taken it. I have no desire to take it. But the story is that started a few years ago that's been gaining steam, is that there was, there's this one fella who discovered that if you take one of these hits one of these hits of DMT, and then you take a laser. Okay, so what we're talking about here is just like a basic 650 nanometer red laser pointer, and you just turn that laser on and leave it on in a big straight line in a dim room. You can get right up there close to it, maybe a few inches away from it. This is my understanding now. And you look into that beam, and that is where you will see the matrix rolling by this cascade of symbols, these characters in this, you know, you know what I'm talking about, like the matrix style green code. And it kind of emerges from the laser sparkle. And so some would think of it as being a divine code. And I have talked to people who have seen things that look like computer symbols, or computer avatars and stuff like that, floating in the air before. I don't want to get into that right now. But I mean, I've heard that. And there are videos you can find from people sitting there, and they're staring at a laser, and they're like, whoa, this is trippy. And they start talking about seeing all these things. And so there's this phenomenon out there of, you know, of people who are saying you can use this to see the matrix. And so people have been asking me what I think about it. And here's the reality. Okay. To do this experiment, you would have to do two things that you should not do. Okay, for one thing, you're supposed to take DMT, which is in most cases an illegal drug. I don't know if it's totally illegal everywhere, probably not. But as you know, in most cases, DMT is illegal. So you'd have to take an illegal psychedelic drug. And the second thing is you'd have to get your eyes really close to a laser beam. And I don't see these people wearing safety goggles. Were they doing this, by the way? And I know that you're not like looking directly into the beam. I get that you're like, it's shooting past you and you're kind of looking off to the side. I understand. But still, I would never recommend to the kindergartners here to take your DMT and then we'll stare at a laser pointer, so you can see some really cool symbols. So, you know, look, is there a truth to this or not? The fact of the matter is there's no way to determine this because it is completely subjective at this point. If it were possible for a camera to somehow capture this phenomenon, okay, fine. But by subjective, I mean, like if you had two different people, let's say you and I both took DMT the same dosage and we sat down next to each other, we turned on the same laser and we looked at it. What if you saw these codes and I didn't? Or what if we just saw different numbers and letters? You know, who's right and who's wrong? You know, hallucination is something that comes from within one's own mind. But what we're interested in is whether or not there's an actual code that we all have in common here in this holographic reality. So, all I can tell you is that this may or may not work for some people, but I do not at all recommend that you do it for the reasons I just cited. But, you know, it is an interesting concept. It's something that cannot be safely proven or disproven as far as I can tell. But, you know, if you could, if you could see the code and that and you could not only see it, but at that point kind of record it, would that give you such ability to start tapping into reality that you can not only hack your, your life path, but hack space time itself so that eventually you could even travel through space time. Can humans someday discover this matrix and then plug into it and start using it to literally travel through time into the future, into the past. And you might say, well, that's a heck of a stretch, Josh. Well, no, it's not. No, it's not. Because if you can see a code there, well, now you can start working with it. You can't really work with something that's invisible. It's like trying to fight the invisible man. But if everything is built of this code and you can start manipulating it, well, then space and time should also be manipulatable. And this is interesting to me because a guy that I used to interview from time to time that I thought was just one of the best who's ever lived when it comes to doing this kind of research was Brad Steiger, super nice, intelligent, warm guy. I never got to meet him in person, but we had plenty of great phone conversations. He wrote this classic book called Mysteries of Time and Space. He wrote a lot of books, of course, if you know anything about him. I'm holding a copy right now of this book in my hands. See, this was published in 1973, it looks like. Mysteries of Time and Space by Brad Steiger. One thing that I remember being fascinated by when I read this is that there is a chapter it's toward the beginning of the book, I guess, and it's called Footprints in the Sands of Time. And he talks about these cases in which supposedly like modern human shoe prints have been found fossilized from millions of years ago. And that in fact, one of these even was provable because the footprint included a trilobite, you know, one of these little, little, I don't know, little bugs or whatever they were, little arthropods that lived back in those days kind of look like a little, what did the trilobite, I guess a snail or something. Look at what a trilobite is. He wrote in this book, he says William J. Meister is a supervisor with Hercules Incorporated. He is a self-described rockhound and a trilobite collector. On June 1, 1968, Meister, his wife and two daughters, together with some other couple, they arrived at Antelope Springs, just northwest of Delta, Utah. On the third day, while they were at their camp, Meister, his wife and their four girls found some trilobite fossils. Trilobites, a class of arthropods with shells were among the first marine invertebrates. They lived in the Cambrian period of the Paleozoic era, let's see here, because that is, so they lived about 600 million years ago. These compact little creatures with their bodies divided into three longitudinal segments are among the earliest fossils known to man. While Meister broke off a rather large two-inch thick slab of rock, struck it on the edge with a hammer, and in his own words saw it, quote, fall open like a book, and to his astonishment he saw, quote, on one side the footprint of a human with trilobites right in the footprint itself. The other half of the rock slab showed an almost perfect mold of the footprint and fossils. Amazingly, the human had been wearing a sandal, in quote, the dimensions of the sandal were an excellent perspective that, see, 10 and a quarter inches, three and a half inches wide at the sole, three inches at the heel. And I was like, you know what, what's ever come of that? Whereas, because he that's not the only one he talks about, that may not be the one where he talks specifically about people finding like tennis shoe prints and all that, but I was like, what's the latest on that? So, because I figure, I mean, this is a legit story, in terms of like they're being a legit artifact, so what's happened to it? Or a legit specimen, I should say. We're up on a break. When we come back, I'm going to tell you, I did a follow-up on this. I will let you know what I have discovered scientists have said, because sure enough, this is a real specimen, and there are other similar real specimens. And I was actually surprised, to some extent, by what I learned. I'm Joshua P. Warren. 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Welcome back to the final segment of this edition of Strange Things, all the I Heart radio and Coast to Coast AM, Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren, and is it true that a trilobite was discovered, crushed in a human footprint? By the way, trilobites, I couldn't think of the word I was looking for. They don't look like snails. The ones that look like snails, I guess, are called ammonites. A trilobite looks more like a, to me, kind of like a tiny horseshoe crab or something like that. Anyway, I am not an expert on ancient creatures by any means. Okay, so is there any truth to any of these kinds of stories? Well, according to credible sources on the internet, paleontologists looked specifically at the Meister print there from Utah and identified it as a natural spalling, which are rock slabs breaking in patterns that mimic shapes, not even a human print. And so no trilobite was actually crushed by footwear pressure. There's another one, known as the Nevada shoe print, which was a rock from the Triassic layers, allegedly showing a shoe sole with stitching, which is, I guess, more of what I was also thinking of. Geologists attributed it to a natural concretion, which is a mineral accumulation, blah, blah, blah. So basically, every time you've heard a story where they say there's evidence of like, of a modern human shoe print that's been fossilized, or the human footprint that's fossilized, like stepping on top of a bug that lived millions of years ago, scientists are saying, look, no, we have explained all that away. But here's what surprised me. There is a, well, what could, scientists would say is a legit recent discovery. In 2023, there was a study that analyzed ancient hominem footprints from South Africa's Cape Coast. And we're talking about going back 150,000 years. It says these lack individual toe marks and have crisp rounded edges resembling hard-soled sandal prints rather than barefoot tracks. Researchers experimentally recreated similar marks with simple footwear, suggesting that early humans may have worn basic shoes far earlier than previously thought. So basically, you know, that that's not going to like rewrite history and give us proof that people traveled from the future into the past wearing their nikes and stepping on all these little creatures. And we just happened to look across that fossilized footprint. Boy, that'd be lucky, wouldn't it? But we do have, we do have evidence that, you know, thousands of years ago, long before people were thought to be wearing shoes, apparently they had some kind of a basic shoe figured out. So in just in case you're one of those guys like me who read that kind of stuff when you were a kid, you're like, wait a second, what's the follow up on that? Well, now you know. I'm always here to give you the straight dope. So sometimes there are things that are extraordinary. Sometimes they're not in this particular case, I have to believe paleontologists and the archaeologists and anthropologists and all those people are right. It has been a while since I have read listener emails I've been getting behind. So let me try to squeeze some in before the end of the show. This came to me from Marie. Now, if you're new to the program, I have a website that's running right now. It's called the real black mailbox.com. The real black mailbox.com. And I'm actually typing it in right now to make sure everything's still good with the site because you know how that goes. Yeah, okay. The real black mailbox.com. It's a long story, but if you go there right now, there's an email address and you can send a wish to that email address. And when you do that, it gets projected into a system that goes to a portal that I set up on my property next to area 51 here in Nevada. Okay, so anyway, that's what she's talking about. She went to the website and she put her request in and here's what her subject says. Here are the results I got from mailing through the real black mailbox.com. Marie says, Joshua, I just have to tell somebody what happened. I listened to your show for the first time about a month ago and your story about your black mailbox and sending messages to God out into the universe. Well, I have to tell you what happened to me. I had requested two things. One may be impossible, but the other, well, I had requested that I be given back my original Ruby necklace that my grandparents gave me clear back in 1979. I wanted it with all my heart. Well, I didn't get that exactly, but I think the universe did its best to give me as close a jewelry as possible. I still would like the original, but here's what I got on November 29th. My boyfriend that I have dated for over 20 years gave me a Ruby necklace out of the blue and Ruby earrings on a silver chain. It happened less than a month after my request. I did not tell my boyfriend or anybody about my request. And this was amazing that I got a Ruby necklace and earrings less than a month's time. I feel it was the universe's way of doing what it could to answer my request. What happened was amazing. I think it was the universe and God reaching out to me. Can I make more requests for through the black mailbox.com? Yes, you can. And again, that website for all of you who are just now tuning in. It's the real black mailbox.com. The real black mailbox. Anybody can go there right now. Tell all your friends. It doesn't cost you anything. You have to sign up for anything. And you just email your request and all the information is there that explains sort of what this is about. But she said that was a real wow. Please write me back soon. It worked. Well, thank you, Marie. That's a wonderful message, especially for this time of year. And you know what, you yeah, keep going. Keep going. There's no limit. Keep doing it. Keep sending stuff. Here's another I'll try to squeeze in. This comes from Gerard. He says, Sir, in episode two of your Strange Things podcast, you described being a Myrtles plantation in St. Francisville, Louisiana. You were in General David Bradford suite and the entity there and knocked three times each on the door table wall and headboard. He said some things are noteworthy. Number one, it responded to polite requests. Number two, it knocked on different surfaces upon request. And number three, it did not change its pattern of knocking three times per surface, no matter the surface. You could not get it to knock once for yes and twice for no. So here is the simple solution. Designate distinct surfaces as yes or no, not the number of knocks. For example, politely request entity to knock on the side table near the chair for yes, and the wall near the chair for no. Because it responded to politeness, it should cooperate with you and use the table for yes and the wall for no. And that's it. Let me pause and say, you know what, that's a very good point. And, you know, when I, I wish I thought of that when I was in the middle of the situation in this creepy haunted room all by myself, it was, it was kind of, kind of one of those things where I was so shocked by what was happening. It was hard for me to like think of creative ideas at that point in time. But that doesn't mean I can't go back and try it again. He says, you know, some yes, no questions you might ask are, A, is it male? B, is it par animal? C, is it older than a century? D, is it older than two centuries? E, other yes, no questions you choose? So anyway, that's a very good point. That's a very good point. And then he also says, in addition, you had another three-knock entity from episode 31, the psychomantium, when you had the mirror in the trunk of your car, and there were three knocks in the trunk. When you open the trunk, you may have released a similar entity that's at Myrtle's plantation. Is it possible you could get it to knock on separate surfaces also for yes or no? Do not try to change the number of knocks, only two distinct surfaces for yes and no. Excellent points. Thank you so much, Gerard. And yeah, I will remember that. And that is exactly what I will do if I find myself in that position once again. Okay, the clock has got us. So you know what to do. If you can, close your eyes, take a deep breath, let us all focus together on helping each other have the best next week possible. Here is the good fortune tone. That's it for this edition of the show. Follow me at Joshua P. Warren. Plus visit Joshua P. 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