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TRAITORS: Episode 8, Art and Showbiz!

42 min
Feb 6, 20264 months ago
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Summary

Danny Pellegrino recaps Traitors Episode 8, analyzing the elimination of Candace and Rob's strategic gameplay as the remaining traders. The episode features a creative challenge involving artwork recreation and escalating tension at the round table, with concerns raised about declining entertainment value as stronger personalities are voted out.

Insights
  • Reality competition shows require balancing strategic gameplay with entertainment value; eliminating dramatic personalities can undermine audience engagement despite being strategically sound
  • Celebrity contestants often struggle to separate personal conflict from game mechanics, with housewives-style feuds conflicting with the transactional nature of competition shows
  • Contestant recruitment and alliance-building in multi-week competitions creates vulnerability windows where power players must expose themselves to maintain control
  • Production timing and host intervention can disrupt momentum during critical dramatic moments, affecting narrative pacing and audience investment
  • Physical challenges designed for entertainment value (eating grass, getting in boxes) create liability and ethical concerns that may not justify appearance fees
Trends
Celebrity competition shows increasingly struggle with casting balance between entertainment value and strategic gameplay depthPeacock's investment in prestige competition formats may be underestimating talent compensation relative to production value expectationsReality TV audiences expect authentic emotional reactions but also recognize performative reunion hype as marketing strategyMulti-week elimination formats create strategic vulnerability for power players who must actively recruit to maintain controlAudience engagement metrics may favor dramatic personalities over strategic players, creating misalignment between cast elimination and viewer satisfactionProduction design choices (caskets, boxes, graves) in competition shows face increasing scrutiny regarding contestant safety and psychological impactCelebrity cross-pollination (figure skaters, reality stars, chefs) in competition formats creates hidden alliance advantages that casual viewers miss
Topics
Reality TV Competition Strategy and Gameplay MechanicsCelebrity Casting and Entertainment Value BalancePeacock Streaming Platform Talent CompensationReality TV Reunion Marketing and AuthenticityProduction Design and Contestant Safety in Competition ShowsAlliance Building and Strategic Vulnerability in Multi-Week FormatsAudience Engagement Metrics vs. Strategic GameplayCelebrity Cross-Pollination and Hidden AdvantagesHost Intervention Timing and Narrative PacingEmotional Authenticity vs. Performative Drama in Reality TVLiability and Ethical Concerns in Physical ChallengesMuppets Content Appropriateness and Adult HumorJim Henson Legacy and Family Entertainment Design
Companies
Peacock
Streaming platform producing Traitors; criticized for insufficient talent compensation relative to production value
Disney Plus
Streaming home for new Muppets content; discussed regarding adult humor appropriateness for family audiences
Love Island
Reality competition format referenced as comparison point for contestant Rob's prior experience and gameplay style
People
Rob
Traders contestant and active trader; playing strategic game with strong alliance control despite personal feuds
Candace
Traders contestant and trader eliminated in Episode 8; played game personally rather than strategically
Johnny Weir
Traders contestant and figure skater; maintaining hidden alliance with Tara while appearing unconnected
Tara Lapinski
Traders contestant and figure skater; hidden alliance with Johnny Weir; thrown under bus by Candace
Eric
Traders contestant recruited as new trader by Rob; provides entertainment value and physical comedy
Stephen Colletti
Traders contestant offering minimal entertainment value and dialogue despite making it far in competition
Moira
Traders contestant providing entertainment through accent work and fashion; defended Rob at round table
Dorinda
Traders contestant treating competition as casual girls' weekend; unaware of elimination mechanics
Kristen
Top Chef contestant on Traitors; perceived as disengaged based on prior BravoCon interaction
Rina
Traders contestant eliminated prior to Episode 8; showed intense emotional vulnerability when voted out
Colton
Traders contestant murdered by Candace in Episode 8 despite Rob's alliance preference
Natalie
Traders contestant; considered for recruitment but ultimately not selected by Rob
Mark
Dancing with the Stars contestant on Traitors; criticized for minimal dialogue and entertainment value
Alan
Traitors host; criticized for interrupting dramatic round table moments with procedural announcements
Hilary Duff
Music artist; new song 'Roommates' used by host for mood-boosting electric slide dance routine
Jim Henson
Muppets creator; legacy discussed regarding adult humor integration in family entertainment
Dylan Efron
Celebrity referenced as example of talent monetizing through sponsorship deals beyond appearance fees
Quotes
"This is called Traders. We need some crazies on there."
Danny PellegrinoEarly episode
"You're a snake. I see what you're doing. If I get banished, your name is getting brought up."
CandaceRound table confrontation
"This showbiz, baby. And so you could be a good person until you're blue in the face, but I got to watch some entertainment."
Danny PellegrinoMid-episode commentary
"Colton was being used as Rob's beard."
CandaceRound table
"Get the fuck out, Alan! We're just getting into it."
Danny PellegrinoRound table commentary
Full Transcript
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I cannot wait. And I'm very hyper right now. So, actually, before we get into the traders, let me tell a quick story because this made me laugh. I went and got my coffee this morning. Usually before I record, I like to get my ice coffee. Unfortunately, we're out of the pistachio, which devastating. Devastating, because you know I'm addicted to the ice pistachio latte now. However, I could not get it. So I got my other coffee and I'm trying to get it, trying to get my energy up. And I hopped on social media earlier this morning and I just saw everything going on. It's like so depressing. Like, I got to perk up. You know, I don't like to get on the microphone and just be a negative Nancy the whole time. And unfortunately, I don't know how to do that with everything that's going on in the world. It almost feels impossible sometimes. So I'm like, I got to perk up my energy. And one of the things long time listeners of the podcast might have heard me talk about this before. But one of the tried and true tricks of perking myself up is a little dance that I like to do. The dance that I like to do is the electric slide. Now I love the electric slide. To me, it's a classic dance move. It's pretty easy, simple. And what I love to do is do the electric slide to one of the most depressing songs I could find, right? Like that always makes me laugh. Like the dichotomy of doing the electric slide to like a slow, dramatic ballad. Now I've been addicted to the new Hillary Duff song called The Rumates, which I am surprised to anybody that I like because I didn't like the other song that she came out with, but she came out the song called The Rumates. And it's about like sort of her relationship with her husband and how she wishes he would look at her like he did when they first got together. And it's like real dramatic. And the video is beautiful. And I think it's such a good song. However, it's very dramatic. And so I was like, let me put that on and start doing the electric slide as one does to cheer them some of them. And so I put it on. What I didn't realize is that at the front door we were having these new blinds put on our windows and they had put them on and they put the wrong size on whatever sort of guy had to come back. But when I went out to get my Starbucks coffee, I didn't know they had come back to do the windows. Okay. So I just wasn't even paying attention. So I get in the door with my coffee and I tell the robot voice. I say, you know, who I say put on roommates by Hillary Duff. And I put it on very loud. I'm not even paying any attention. Matt and the baby there in a completely other room. So I'm just like, I don't even know what's going on with them. But I put on the Hillary Duff slow ballad and then I start doing the electric slide in the kitchen with my ice coffee. And then as I'm in the middle of, I don't know, what was probably the second verse of me doing the electric slide to a slow ballad by Millennial Queen Hillary Duff, I look over my shoulder and I see the the fella at the window. I see the fella at the window putting up the shade and trying to ignore me, trying to ignore me because what is he going to do? I look like a fucking nutball. And so ultimately, then I tell the robot, I say, you know, I'll, I say turn off the music. And then I'm trying to explain myself to this straight man who's putting up an installing up shade on my window and the front door. And I say, you know, I'm sorry, sir, I have a podcast I'm trying to like, you know, perk myself up for it. But I apologize for doing the electric slide to a slow dot song in front of you. So anyway, that man, I don't think he listens to the podcast. But if anyone knows, if anyone hears this story from a man saying he was installing blinds and someone's house and they were doing the electric slide to slow ballad by Hillary Duff, that probably I'm the only one that I don't need. Is that even a popular song? I feel like nobody's even listening to that. I'm the only one probably listening that song. But if anyone knows that man, he hears that story, please apologize on my behalf. Moving on. Let's get into the traitor, shall we? This was another week. Colton was being used as Rob's beard. No, right one. That can't have said that at the round table because at the beginning of the episode, she had gotten Colton out of the castle. She had murdered him even though Rob said he didn't really want it because he and Rob had a little bit of alliance. But she had murdered him and then at the round table later on, obviously her and Rob were going after each other. And she said Rob was using Colton as the beard. Here's the thing right when she said that. It was so funny to me because immediately then Alan come in and play us, give me other, telling everybody to write the names on the chalk board. And I'm like Alan, get the fuck out of here. We're just, she was just getting into it. And I don't know how long they filmed those round tables or how long it went on for, but I'm like, please let Candace go for a little bit longer, Alan. Get your ass out of there. And you go to another production room and just start doing something else because it was like we're finally, we were getting somewhere. And it was getting funny and juicy and dramatic. And then Alan's like, play us right on the chalkboard. And I'm like, how about you get the fuck out, Alan? God bless, we love you. He was wearing like this one outfit and the show this week that I was like, painted, was it? Oh, I loved it. I do love Alan. I'm just like, get out of here, Alan. You're an Emmy winning a host. You should know as a host to get the fuck out when it starts getting good like that. You know what I'm saying? I'm a little concerned about the show moving forward because although it was a thrilling week, I thought that round table was fantastic. I'm concerned. I'm sad Candace is gone. I'm sad, Rin is gone. I feel like we're, we lost a lot of the crazy people's, you know, a lot of the drama is gone out of the house. And now we're left with these, I hate to say it. A lot of flops, a lot of flops. I hate to say it and God bless them all. And I wish them all the best. But a lot of them that are left don't have the kind of personality that some of the ones that were gone left. And this is called Traders. We need some crazies on there. And so I was a little upset and I'm a little concerned moving forward. But maybe some of them will step up. Maybe Stephen Colledio will finally have some dialogue in one of these episodes or, you know, something will happen maybe. But let's get back to the beginning. Let's go back back to the beginning like Hillary Deaf one saying in one of her hit songs. We open with Candace and Rob in the turret. Again, I know it's a turret. A lot of people yell to me because I was calling it a well, but it's a turret. Now they can either murder a faithful, Alan says, or bring someone in to be a traitor because Rina was out last week. Now Candace says she wants to murder Colton, but Rob's friends with him and feels like Colton's loud. And so it's like good to keep him around. And so he suggests either Stephen or Natalie, but Rob is like, I'm going to leave it up to you Candace because he knows that he fucked up with throwing Rina under the bus. Now then when Alan comes in the turret also by the way, I think was at this moment, there was one moment where Alan walked in the turret and Rob was like, was that? Was that? And I was like, what year are we in? Like that it was like that Budweiser commercial from the from the 90s or the early 2000s whenever that was when I was like, was that? I remember everybody was doing that for a minute. It's like, what's going on? But he said that to Alan and it was so funny to me because they're always trying to portray the like the drama of the show and they're kind of all acting a little bit like villainesses or villains. And then when Alan walked in, was that? Was that? I love the show. Okay, so then the next morning at the breakfast nook were finding out who was murdered. Now everybody arrives. Dorenda's just thrilled to be there. She's thrilled. She's sticking around good for her. She said she was having a fabulous girls week on the run out. She's like, I'm pissed that right now it's gone. I just sort of forgot we even playing again. She's like, it was good to just have her for a girl's week. She thought she was on like ultimate girls trip to Rinda for a minute just without the fighting. It was like, yeah, Dorenda's having a nice weekend. And then she's finding out all of a sudden she's like, oh, people aren't shown up. They're getting murdered on this show. And she just went seven nice girls weekend. Meanwhile Johnny Weir and Moira, they both show up wearing hats with some veils. And were they the same? I don't know. The looks on here are interesting to me. And Johnny Weir, I love Johnny Weir on this show. Actually, Johnny's like one of my favorite to watch because always so wildly wrong. Also wearing like lace gloves. And I'm just like, I don't know everything about Johnny Weir. I'm like, I'm loving Johnny Weir. And also I love that he's friends with the other one, Tara. And nobody even is noticing. I feel like I'm not someone who follows figure skating or anything. But even I knew that like Johnny and Tara are like would know each other and be close. But they're fooling everybody else in the house. The interesting thing about celebrities is that they're also very into themselves that like I think sometimes they don't even maybe they're not even like aware of the outside culture because they're so concerned with themselves, you know, because narcissism, which is great. I mean, that's what we need in celebrities. Don't get me wrong. No, hey, don't hate motivate. I'm just saying. It's interesting to me that there's like a narcissism quality. So it's like I feel like that's why a lot of the people on the traders castles like they don't even, they're not even concerned with whether or not Johnny and Tara are friends because they can't be concerned with anything outside of themselves, outside of this castle. Do you get what I'm saying? But more is starting to get on to more is on to Candace right at the breakfast. And she says if you think about it. Candace did a troll wait vote. And so she's on to Candace. So I'm worried about Candace grow right off the bat. And I didn't want Candace to give it off. I was concerned about that troll way vote as Mora said because I knew that that's I felt like that was going to happen. And to me it was clear that Rob has more of an alliance. Even remember they played that weird game with the lying last week. It was like Rob has more of them in his back pocket than Candace does. And so I was concerned like that's what I was going to do. And I was concerned last week when she went after Rob. I was like, oh that is going to make Rob go after you then. Even though I understand what she was doing I was concerned with her. And I don't want her to leave the castle. I kept feeling like are we not going to have one of those twists where they just are like, oh yeah, I know you murdered this person but like we're bringing them back. As much as that bothers me on reality shows, I also kind of want it to happen. Like when it be fun if all of a sudden at the breakfast, like Rina came strolling back in or Candace came strolling back in and was like, just kidding and Alan shows up and it's like just kidding like they're back. And now one of them is a faithful or something like that. And can we do that? There's no rules in this game really. You think about it. But then Colton doesn't show up. He was murdered. He was murdered. That's right. And they're all like, oh my god Colton was murdered. Rob didn't want to do it but Candace wanted to break up that alliance. And Rob has like a weird reaction and he like drops some forks and drops some, I don't know. I feel like everybody could tell that something was going on with Rob. But then he was just sitting there quote Mark Twain. And I don't know. I was, I can't tell Rob. I'm like, does he really know the Mark Twain quote? Or what is this? Is he cosplaying as a smart person? Because he's a hot. So what is he? Is he just a hot and smart? I don't believe. I don't buy it. I think I don't buy it. Or is he just pretended a producer off camera just tell him a Mark Twain quote and tell him to say it on camera. I don't know. I don't trust it. I don't trust Rob. He's a liar. I don't trust him now. I don't trust him. Candace called him a snake. He's got a little snake tattoo and he's always working with the snakes on social media. He's very hot though. And everybody's sort of dignitized by him. And I get that. I'm not proud of it. But look, who amongst us isn't dignitized by someone like him? I'm sorry. It's the truth. But Rob, he's going after Candace now. And Johnny and Tara, I think it's Natalie or Steven. They're so bad at this game. Yet they're still making it to the end. And so it is what it is. But Candace is throwing Rob under the bus with Johnny Weir and Kristen. You know what's fascinating to me about Kristen, the top chef, Gail? You know, when I did the Traders' panel at BravoCon, I sort of, I even was a little bit after the panel. I was talking to her and I was like, I'm so excited to the, we were going at backstage. They had like a little bit of face set up. So you get food in between the panels and so like that. And I was walking with her a little bit and I was talking. I was like, I'm so excited. We were having a quick chat. It wasn't a long chat. I was talking to her and I got the impression that she didn't make it very far. Like that was, and I don't know what it was. It was just sort of like she seems so like whatever about the show. And so the way I took that, which is obviously in me issue, the way I took that, I was like, oh, maybe she could vote off like first. You know what I mean? Like, uh, maybe she's voted out quick. And then now she's sticking around and I'm like, oh, wow, she's doing good. And maybe that was, maybe I read it wrong, which is probably why I'd be bad on the show. But maybe I read it wrong. Maybe it was like, oh, she makes to the end. And she's just so like whatever about it. I don't know. I don't know. That was my take. You're just somebody's to read it. That's the problem on the show. Like I would be like Johnny and Tara when I read into everything and probably be wrong. But then we cut to the challenge. Candice is frustrated. Everyone thinks Rob is a faithful gem. Now the challenge is something to do with artwork. I didn't really understand. Okay. So they have the part of the group goes to like this attic. And there's a bunch of artwork. And I don't know if it was real artwork. This is a dumb thing to say about. Is that real or like who was making all that art? Anyway, they have to like was it old art? Maybe it was like famous artists and I'm just being so such a dummy. I don't know. I don't know. Do you know? Mary, did you know? Did you know if it was real artwork or if it was, like did they get all that stuff from home goods? Or was it AI? I don't know where that artwork came from. It seemed like a lot of photos up in that attic. So anyway, some of the group is up there and then some of the group is like down below outside the castle. And they have to recreate the photos. Now Stephen Colletti is like, I've done some directing. I like storytelling. So he thinks he's going to be like a star at this. And it turns out he's not. But he ultimately has to milk Johnny Weir. I love this when they were, when he had to like milk Johnny Weir. I was just like, this is what I, this is what I want. I did say I was thinking though, I hate to say his name, you know, but Tom Zinzeville, I'm for Tom Zinzeville, I kind of would have liked Tom to be in the castle at this moment because I just felt like it would have been really funny to watch him recreate the photos. Much like when he had that doll, remember? And so I know that that's not something I should be proud of. But I was thinking like, oh Tom would have been funny to like laugh at during this challenge. Do you know what I'm saying? But ultimately they were all pretty funny to laugh at. They, because they were having to milk each other. I wasn't Eric like eating grass at some point like Durrindas on all fours and they're having to milk each other. And it was just like that's that story telling like this is, this is entertainment. And I was in into it. And then post mission. Johnny brings up that Colton was talking about Stephen and Candace. And so Johnny, even though Johnny thought that Colton was a traitor now, he's like, well Colton before he got voted out, brought up Candace and Stephen. He's like, so maybe it's one of them. And so meanwhile Eric, I mentioned him eating the grass, right? Like he was pretending to be the cow or the horse or whatever. I don't know that I eat that grass. Imagine all those production crew members and the cast members just walking through that grass. And what's on their shoes? I don't know what's on their shoes. You never know what's on the bottom of somebody's shoes. My son's crawling now and it's like he's always going after the shoes. And I'm like, keeping 10 feet away from the shoes because I don't know what you never know what's on the bottom of someone's shoe. It's like moldy rat shit. You know what I'm saying? Moldy rat shit on the bottom of your shoe because you don't know where you're stepping. You know, so I don't need my son just putting the shoe in his mouth. And that's what he wants to do because he doesn't understand. He's eight months old. And so I don't know that I be as brave as Eric. Although he was Eric was like he's so cute this episode wasn't he? His hair looked really good and he had those glasses and the confessional. It was really doing it for me. I was really into it. I was into it. But anyway, I went in to put the grass in my mouth. Although I understood he was trying to win the challenge, but it's not worth it. It's not worth it. Not for this. What do they even? Not for this. Not for this. Let's take a break here. And we're going to come back and talk about post mission. And yeah, okay, we'll be right back. Thank you, Dave House. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're heading into the new year wanting a fresh start, MedExpress offers a simple way to explore weight management treatment from home. Start with our short online consultation to check your eligibility. There's no pressure or big resolutions, just small achievable steps at your own pace. If eligible, treatment is delivered discreetly with support from UK registered clinicians throughout your journey. Visit medexpress.co.uk-podcast to learn more. Redeem your lab books on free bet spins or even cash in for real money. That's Latisfaction from Labbrooks. And for extra Latisfaction, here's the T-Sync Seas. Let's rock! Get that book! She broke it's that book! With amen book! Office or rewards! Latboks X5! Who do you see is a bride? It's time to think! Get back! Where I'm at! I'm at! We're back. Flyer! All right, so then post mission. Durinda suspects Candace because Lisa was sticking up for Stephen when they were playing some challenge. So although Durinda is correct, she's correct for the wrong reasons, I think, right? Everyone's discussing. Candace tells Stephen that Rob was puppeteering Colton though, and that's when Rob walks in. And it was very fascinating because Candace is like, oh, we have different values. She says to Rob because they're both the traders, but they're not on opposite sides. And they're feuding. And this was the most thrilling part of maybe the whole season for me, like the Rob and Candace feud that that was going on. Because Rob is playing it as a game and Candace, and this is what I think happens with a lot of the housewives on the show, is that they're playing it almost like they do on their shows where it's personal, right? Like when the fights happen on housewives, it's personal. It's personal. And on traders, it's not personal, it's gameplay. And a lot of the gamers on these shows know that. But Rob, he comes from Love Island, which is, it's less personal, right? They're there for a finite period of time. And ultimately on something like Love Island, they know they're only going to be with each other for a season. But on housewives, they could be there for 10 years. Look at on Beverly Hills, I just saw and watched what happens. I think Erica said she was been on the housewives for 10 years. Oh, that happened. You guys watching Beverly Hills housewives? At least he has a DJ now. You know how I feel about that? Also he's showing up on every show. I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up in the castle next week. He's on the Valley Persians show. He's on Beverly Hills housewives popping into lunch. He's popping into what else? So, Melisie was just on. I was like, oh, puttoma housewives. It's like, get the fuck out of here. He's DJing is probably going to pop by the summer house. I've had enough. Anyway, we're talking about traders. Oh, so yeah, the housewives, I think they sometimes take it more personal than they're supposed to. And it is a game called Traders. But Candace, she says, you're a snake. I see what you're doing. If I get banished, your name is getting brought up. You know what's stopping them? I guess it is a game and I wonder, because if I was Candace, and maybe this would be, maybe this would be rude of me, but I would do the jam, jam thing where it's like, as I'm going and saying goodbye to everybody, I'd be like, oh, and by the way, like Rob's a trader. Do you know what I'm saying? If I was really pissed off at somebody because they got me out, is that just like poor sportsmanship or something? Because she said that she was going to do that, and that's what I thought she meant. But there must be some sort of rule against them doing that. When they have to stand up and say whether or not they're a trader or faithful as they're leaving the castle, there must be some sort of rule to be like, oh, you can't just say, oh, this other person's a trader. Because that's maybe what I wanted her to do. But she says to Rob, you're a stake, not a trader. Then we cut to the round table. Now, Johnny says that Colton brings up Stephen. So Johnny, we are sort of going after Stephen, but then Duranda also brings up Lisa's relationship with Stephen, and I thought Collette was toast. I thought he was toast. I thought he was done so. Unfortunately, he wasn't done so. I would have liked Stephen to get out of there instead of Candace. What does Stephen, what are some of these people aren't offering me any entertainment value? Okay, so we need to start getting rid of them. And they should all also realize they're making a show, and they got to stop getting rid of the good drama people. Because otherwise, what are we going to be left with? Like, I can't just watch. What am I going to watch? Stephen, Kristen, and Eric just staring at each other and Mark from Dancing with the Stars? I mean, how many of you got less small? I'm sure they're great people, but they're not offering me anything on this show. And so I'm going to need them to start getting out some of the boring flops and leaving some of the entertaining people around. Because this is a show, this showbiz. And if there's one thing I've learned doing this podcast for upwards of nine years, it's that this showbiz, baby. And so you could be a good person until you're blue in the face, but I got to watch some entertainment. I need mess. And so I'm going to need to start getting the flops out of here and start keeping people like Candace and Rina around. Because otherwise, what are we watching? Okay, that's all I have to say about that. Now, at the round table, Eric says that Candace was always consistent with her votes until Rina. So now they're starting to understand that Candace might be the one. So Candace, to try to save herself, she throws Tara under the bus. And she's like, Tara was the one who's trying to lead the charge. And ultimately, Tara wasn't trying to lead the charge. And Tara's very nice, she says like, no, you're a liar. You're a liar! She says she didn't rally, you know, votes. But Candace is trying to throw someone under the bus. And so I appreciated that. And it was interesting. I was like, yeah, let's get Tara activated. Let's get Ms. Lapinski. Let's try to get her to skate around this round table. Because until this point, she's not really offering much to the show either. I mean, I love her and Johnny's relationship. But Tara, I mean, you step up her entertainment value. Love her. But, you know, I need it. So I was happy that she got thrown under the bus by Candace. Now, Candace says that Rob fumbled with Colton in the breakfast, and dropped the fork and hit something, and was like, being awkward. So now she's going after Rob. And this is when Morah steps in. And just when I think like Rob might be the one to go, then Morah steps in and is like, you had a throw away vote with Rob. But you're suspicious of Rob. And so Morah's like not on my watch. Not on my watch. Hot Candace. I got you. That's what Morah basically said. And Morah's entertaining to me. Even just her accent work. Like, that's enough for me for Morah. So I don't want to, I don't want to include Morah with the flops because A, I find her very pretty to look at, which I know isn't everything. But her in those hats, like I'm interested in the hats and her looks. That's that's enough for me with her and the accent. And then also, that's pretty much all she's offering. But I'm into it. But you had your throw away vote. And then Rob and Candace then start going back and forth. And Candace says that Rob was using Colton as his beard, which we played. But Colton was being used as Rob's beard. And then Alan walks in and is like, Blah! Get the fuck out, Alan! Not now! Not now, Alan! Gosh! Just starting to get good, Alan. And then you're just tiptoeing in and you're suit and whatever. And play as, right, the name on the chalkboard. I was excited about Candace maybe being the one to go. Only for the reason that I wanted to see everybody write her name on the chalkboard. You know, I love how they spell. And I know how to spell Candace's name because obviously I've been watching her on that. So I swear, ever. And I take notes on these shows and stuff. So I knew how to spell her name. And I also knew that everybody would forget the A. You know, like they'd forget that second A. And I was right. A lot of them did forget that second A. That's how I... Yeah, they did, right? A lot of people did. I think I wrote down who got her name wrong and who did it. But I thought there would be some more. I was sort of hoping for like a C-A-N-D-I-S-E. You know, I was hoping for... Maybe someone to put a S in there or... I was hoping for a little bit of a wacky or spelling. There was an Eric voted for Candace and wrote with like a bunch of hearts over the eyes for the dots over the eyes and like around the thing. And one of the things that if I would love to be on the show, if for no other reason, then to like be at the round table and to just draw like funny things on that chalkboard, because that would be so entertaining to me. Like just draw like... They do a lot of hearts, but I'm like somebody needs to do like a smiley face with Google EIs or like I don't know, just like draw fun doodles. You know when you're in grade school and high school, how you just sit in doodle? It's like people need to do more doodling because there's a lot of time at that round table that I imagine they're filming. And so like let's get creative. Like you're all supposed to be artists. And I know you're not all necessarily like illustrators, but maybe like your artists are... you're supposed to be creative. So like let's get more creative with those chalkboards. And so anyone that celebrities out there who are listening who might be joining next season of the traders, please come in with some good chalkboard game. Because that is a good opportunity to like break the tension of the show. And to give the audience a little something silly, I like a little silly. Speaking of silly, do you guys watch the new Muppets? If you haven't watched it, I'm on Disney Plus. A lot of it. I thought it was perfect. A plus. There is this thing though. Some of the people are going around. Some of the like the conservative right is like saying, oh it's inappropriate for kids and all that stuff. And I just want to say everyone's so fucking stupid because if you don't know anything about the Muppets, then you should just shut the fuck up about them. Because there is a difference between Muppets and Sesame Street. Now Sesame Street characters are considered Muppets as an entity. But the Muppets, a capital M, is a separate thing than Sesame Street. Sesame Street were Muppets made from kids. And you need to read the Jim Henson biography. It's a fantastic book. I forget the Brian. It's like the author is like Brian Jones, maybe you're Brian. Something. But Jim Henson is autobiographies fantastic. And you know I'm a big Jim Henson fan. But Sesame Street was specifically created for toddlers and kids. The Muppets was created for, it's always been adult humor in that. And it's always been humor. I mean yes, in the 90s and stuff, they did have Disney. It was releasing movies that were geared towards kids. But even those movies had a lot of jokes that were meant to go over the heads of kids for the adults in the room. And that's what made it family entertainment. It was like your kids don't aren't going to know what the word kink is, right? Like it's supposed to go over their heads. And we had all sorts of humor like that. If you watch Muppet Treasure Island or Muppet, those movies, even from the 90s, you will notice that there's a lot of humor that was designed to go over the heads of the youths. Okay. And that's always been in the Muppet DNA, even since the original Muppet show, the early episodes of that show. There was one called Sex and Violence, was like the name of the episode. Because that always incorporated adult humor. And if kids want to watch it, a lot of that stuff is going to go over their heads. But it was designed for that. And so it's separate from Sesame Street. And so people get in their panties and a twist about the Muppets. I'm like, you are also stupid because it's not you're dumb. I'm sorry. I just have to stick up for the Muppets because they feel like that's what they've always been. And if you didn't know that, that's fine. I'll go watch something else. But also your kids, it's like going to go over their heads. They're not going to understand the jokes because that's the way that they write it. They write it to go over the heads of kids. They're not just presenting something to the, I don't know. I'm going to stop. I'm going to buy my tongue because I'm just going to get pissed off. Don't PMO. And Sesame Street, yes. There's not going to be that kind of adult humor in Sesame Street. There's not going to be kind of jokes that go over the heads of kids in that kind of way. They might have some jokes that are funny to adults in Sesame Street. Believe me, I'm watching Sesame Street now at the baby. And there are some funny, sometimes I laugh. But it's not because they're adult jokes, but Sesame Street is for kids. The Muppets themselves on the other hand is different. So anyway, go watch it. It's really great. It's being a carpenter's in it. I thought it was fantastic. I hope they do more episodes. Please, please! Okay, I had to get off my high hours about the Muppets. You know, I get very sensitive about that. So anyway, Johnny votes Candace, Eric votes Candace. I was waiting on pins and needles for a derinded vote. Candace, because I wanted to see how she spelled it. Natalie votes Tara. Rob decides to vote for Candace. He says the beautiful charming and very intelligent lady. And I was like, shut up! FLYER! It was mad at Rob. I just was, because at that point, it's like I knew that Candace was gone. And I'm like, Rob, God damn it. You shouldn't do that, because we need a good show. I guess that gave us a good show, but then it's like, well, what are we going to do next week? Gonna watch? Uh, what are we going to watch? Stephen Coletti, run around the castle and not speaking. Mark from Dancing with the Stars, run around the... I mean, how many lines of dialogue in eight episodes or however many episodes it's been of those two had? It's like, I barely even heard from what... You know, and I keep saying, like, Mark gives me the Kenny G vibes. And I feel like Kenny G on traders would be great, because even if he was quiet, I still feel like he would offer some sort of musical talent. You know what I'm saying? Like, if they would let Kenny G go in the traders castle with the saxophone, we'd be in for a season, or let him like score it in real time. I don't know if this is possible, but like, can we just have Kenny G off in the corner during the round tables where he's like scoring the episode? He doesn't even have to be on camera. Like, let's just get that saxophone in the room and let him to be able to sit at the round table on the tape, but like, hear the soothing sounds of Kenny G's saxophone. While they're all spelling people's names wrong and voting each other out of this castle, that'd be a great thing. I'm not a production person on the show, but I should be, probably. I should be. Then, let's see, Mark and Tara and Stephen, they still had Candace's name right. Tara cried. Tara did cry and it was a girl. Get it together. Maybe she is... You know what? Maybe Tara, I think, actually might have some good drama in her. Because she was crying at the round table and it's like, she's... It is a show. You kind of wonder, like, they do get so emotional. And I wonder, as an audience member, I'm like, this is just like a silly game show, but like, you're all crying as you leave the castle. And they're crying like intense tears. We saw that last member, Rina, when she was voted off. She was intensely crying and it was like the most vulnerable I've ever seen Lisa Renon, 100 years of television that I've been watching her. So, I'm gonna go figure. Let's take one more quick break here. We're gonna come back and finish this up. We gotta talk about Candace and that crying girl. Woo! Be right back. Who has the power to settle unresolved disputes between consumers and financial providers? The financial ombudsman service. How much does it cost? Nothing. It's free. And do they take sides? No, it's fair. Can their decisions be ignored by financial providers? No, they're binding. It's final. So, when can they help? They can offer support when the financial provider's given a final response, but you still don't agree. Get an answer with the financial ombudsman service. Free, fair, final. Hey, it's Matt here from P1 with Matt and Tommy, and we're currently being sponsored by Lad Brooks. The Lad Brooks app is doing a lot more than just sports. 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We've watched a lot on enough reality TV to know that, like, sometimes it does switch, and sometimes it doesn't. And so, anyway, there was like a second where I thought, maybe Candice will get to stick around, but she doesn't, she gets voted out. And she says the experience was life-changing, they all cheer for her. She says she loves everybody. Although it seems like I get confused, like, do they all love each other? Because I'm seeing on social media, they're all kind of like, going after each other, and like, oh, I'm gonna save this for the reunion. And it's like, well, I'm confused. Do they all love each other and know that it's a game show, or do they actually hate each other, and they're gonna, you know, go after each other at the reunion? Or they just sort of, sort of, hyping the reunion up. Sometimes I think that too. I'm like, oh, they're all just trying to pretend on social media. So we tune into all the audience tunes into the reunion to see them all feuding. But is that all fake? I don't know. Rob says he's vulnerable now, though. And I hope, my sort of hope is that, I think Rob is playing a really smart game for a show like this. But I, and actually, I was just gonna say, like, I hope he gets voted out, but if Rob gets voted out, I fear that the show will just completely fall apart. Because we need, he at least is like doing some interesting moves and stuff. And I'm just concerned if we're just gonna be stuck with Mark from Dancing with the Stars. Like that, I can't have that. I just can't have that. I'm not interested in that. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Johnny says that he's scared to align, that he aligned with the trader with Candace. And then now some people are like suspecting Johnny Weir. I'm like, you guys. Terror's like, no, absolutely not. But Rob does have complete control now. And Alan tells him he must recruit one player. And he's thinking maybe Johnny, because everybody's after Johnny, so he's like, oh, that would be good. It would help him out. But he was funny too. And did you guys notice like when they do the B-roll? And so they show everybody like kind of going to sleep in the fake castle that they don't actually sleep in, because they're at a myriad near the airport? Johnny was like getting in his pretend bed, and he had a picture of terror, the pinsiness of the bed. Oh, I loved him. I loved him. But Rob ultimately recruits Eric. And Eric thinks he's dead. He walks into that room, and he sees this letter from Rob. And he's like, I know who's handwriting this is. He's like, it's Johnny's handwriting. And I was like, Eric, you keep telling me it's not actually his handwriting. It's Rob's handwriting. But Rob thinks he can get to the end with Eric. And so he recruits Eric. Eric has to come into those steps and they have all this fire at nighttime. You know, and Eric like walks up. And Rob's in his cloak. And he's sitting there in his cloak. And then he takes off the hood of the cloak. And he's like, surprise, bitch. And it's Rob. And Eric's like, oh my god. You know, Eric sort of freaks out. Eric was the, I don't know if Eric was acting either. And at least Eric's being a showman. Because his reaction to seeing Rob, I was like, when did you notice it was Rob? First of all, Rob's hands. I'm a big hand guy. And so I noticed Rob's hands from minute one of him being on Love Island. He's got good hands. He's got interesting hands. But I always clock a man's hands. And so I would have saw his hands, even if he was like looking down. But Eric was acting like he was like so shocked. But I guess he thought it was Johnny Weir. But I'm sorry, Johnny Weir and Rob have completely different hands. Both hands and hands, I suppose. But I'm just saying very different hands. We've seen Johnny Weir's usually got the lace gloves on his grippers. And meanwhile, Rob's grippers look like they've been handling snakes all day. You know, ladies and man, right. I mean, so his hands look different than Johnny Weir. So I thought like Eric, on those steps with all the fire in the background, and Alan lurking around every corner with his spider eyes. Alan's lurking around that castle. And his hands and fits. But he's lurking around. And I thought Eric should have saw the hands. But then when Eric, when Rob took off the cloak hood, Eric's like, ah, you know, he was like acting like he just got a surprise from publishers clearing house. A surprise big ass check should have been his front door or something. I was like, Eric, tone it down. But at least, you know, Eric's giving us some showbiz. He's giving us some showbiz. Nobody else is giving us showbiz. So you know what, Eric, with his grease hair, didn't his hair was like working for me this week. Eric, I don't know. I just never noticed Eric previously. I don't know this week. I was like so attracted to Eric. I don't know what that was. It was like the glasses and the confessional with the hair. The hair was doing like this interesting flip. It reminded me of like he was going to be in the movie Greece. Like he was going to start seeing hopelessly devoted to Rob or something. That's kind of vibe I was getting. I was. Holtin was being used as Rob's beard. Anyway, that's the end of the episode. Eric, you guys surprised us Rob. Next time they all have to get in some boxes or something. It's like part of the challenge. I don't think I'd want to get in the box. So I feel and they've done this on this show. Even this season didn't they do like some grave thing. I think that's bad juju. I think that's bad vibes, bad karma. I don't think you should get in like boxes or pretend graves. I just don't. It doesn't feel right spiritually to me. You know, I'm not. I was raised Catholic. I'm not religious anymore. Or you don't know where exactly stand in religion. But yet I still feel like there's something. I don't. But God bless everybody. I don't feel like it's right to get in a fake casket and pretend we're dead. I just don't not for what? For an appearance fee on peacock? Nope. I don't buy it. They're not making enough money. I've said that before the prize pot ain't enough money. For me to be getting in a fake casket. That's bad vibes. And so I think if I was on traders, I would just say, and they probably vote me out. I'd be like, I'm just not doing that. And they'd be like, why is it against your religion? And it's like, no, I just don't feel like it. I just don't feel like it's right. And yes, I'm claustrophobic. I am a little claustrophobic. But I'd be outside the casket or the box. Again, I don't know what happens next week, but they were getting in boxes. And I would just say no. I'd be outside of it. And I'd be doing the electric slide to Kenny G. Sexphone in a perfect world for the next season of the traders. And so that would be me. But you know, God bless everybody getting in those caskets and boxes. So what would happen? I don't know. What would happen if they couldn't open it or something? I guess they would all get sued out the wa-zoo. And you make a lot more money than you would in the appearance fee that you're getting from peacock. Because I know they're not paying those people much. And the prize money ain't shit. I mean, they're giving you a buffle a wild winged skiff card on your way out. That's what peacock got in the budget. I'm sorry to say. I hate to throw into the bus peacock. We love you. But you're not paying the talent fees much. They're making money off the back end of the show. And so they're making money off the sponsorship deals. And I know Dylan Eferon's rolling in a screwed McDuck's money pit or coin pit. Because he's getting- every time I see that man, he's promoting some new wares on social media. And so God bless, he's got to take his top off and- and sell some goods. But that man's making a lot on the back end. But I don't think he was making a lot on peacock. You know, they're not loosening the purse strings over at the peacock HQ for these talent fees. And so I don't think it's worth it to get in the box. I just don't. And maybe some of them might benefit. Because if they said they didn't get out, if they said they won't get in the box or the casket or the grave, then maybe they could do some sort of sponsorship for like, I don't know, life alert or something that promotes not graves. Do you know what I'm saying? I don't know. I'm thinking two steps ahead. I'm playing chess while they're all playing checkers if I was in the traders' castle. Anyway, that's the end of the episode. Thank you all so much for listening. And please go forth and have some- go watch them up. It's have some smiles, have some laughs and try to- I don't try your best. That is what it is. Go to the electric slide somewhere and- and sending love your way. I don't know how to- I'll stay on this. But we'll be back next week. I don't know if we're going to cover the traders next week. I'm going to try again. Do my best to cover these. Consider the traders recaps bonus episodes. Because I don't think I'm going to cover it next week because I have family coming to town. And so I don't know if I'm going to be able to top on the microphone at the end of next week for these episodes. But then we'll come back the next week and catch us up. So I'm trying my best, but consider these traders' recaps bonus episodes. And for now, I bid you a do. I love you all so much for listening to my- Who has the power to settle unresolved disputes between consumers and financial providers? The financial ombudsman service. How much does it cost? Nothing. It's free. And do they take sides? No, it's fair. Can their decisions be ignored by financial providers? No, they're binding. It's final. 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