#2498 - Brendan Schaub

The Joe Rogan Experience Showing by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day Hey, what's up brother? What's up man? What's going on? It's a good time for you to come in man, right after this weekend? Holy shit. Shit. Bro, I mean everybody's talking about the Sean Strickland-Hamsa fight and the debate but before we even talk about that bro, how fucking good is Joshua Van? And he's only been fighting about five years. That's what's scary. Right. Crazy. Five years. Crazy. And he has some holes for sure that certain guys are gonna expose but five, think out, he's not the best on the ground. He's also 24. He's a 24. Yeah. Crazy athlete. But his fucking boxing, it might be the best in the UFC. What's up there? Him or Ilya? Yeah. Well, Ilya. The thing about Ilya is Ilya is one punch, night and night. That's the difference. It's tough at Flyway to be a knockout artist. But then also Josh. Niva Davidson, Fegredo. True. He was starching people. He was. But with Josh too, again he's 24 but in Tutsi or Tyra, he also just was blocking punches with his face. That's the other thing. His defense was so bad. I think it was that Joshua Vann's offense was so good. You know what? I think it's combo both. Yeah. It's a combo both. Yeah. Because Tyra is primarily a grappler. I mean, he's obviously a mixed martial arts fighter. And he did strike. I mean, that's why he didn't completely get blown out of the water. He did strike pretty well. It's just that counters came so clean, so sharp. Like I rewatched some of it today and I was like, good lord, that's pretty. So good. He looks so good. He's been 24. And you know, it took all the stink off of the way he won the title. Yeah, but not me. I'm sure not you, but there's a lot of questions that haven't been answered. Oh, for sure. Like this Pantosia is a motherfucker. Pantosia is a straight up assassin. Okay. How would he do against Pantosia? Hey man. But again, his stock went up after this fight. I'll tell you that. Look, it was always up, right? But Tyra was a real threat. Tyra got him on the ground, wasn't able to submit him. Joshua Vange pieced him up on the feet, man. But again, at 24, so let's say they do the Pantosia rematch, whatever, Q4. And let's say Pantosia gets that win. All good. He's 24. He's going to be your champ for a very long time. And how old is Alessandro Pantosia at this point? Not young. In flyweight years, he's 67. Yeah, flyweight's dumb. 36. Yeah, that's tough. That's tough. If he was a middleweight, he'd be like, hmm, that's the beginning of the slide, right? That's the beginning of the slide. For Walter White, you're like, ooh. But at flyweight, it's crazy. Heavyweight is always in his prime. We're cooking at heavyweight. Look at Francis. Francis is like 38 or something? Yeah. Is he 38? Francis is in his fucking prime. Nobody looks at Francis and goes, oh, he's over the hill. Oh, never. Not at all. No, there's some old cats at the heavyweight doing the damn thing, especially now. Heavyweight divisions. Right. How old is Volkov? 59. Honestly, I don't think he's as old as he is. Back in the day. Right. He was a Bellator champion, M1 champion. He was a Bellator champion in the early days of Bellator. Yeah, and remember he had in Bellator? And then when he first got through UFC, he had that Moana tattoo on his back. He had the sting, right? And he changed it into that Japanese mask. Yeah, I like this. The new one looks dope. The new one looks dope. It's so dope. I'm the one that kind of bullied him into doing that because it's all I ever talked about for like six years when he fought. And it comes out just as dope ass samurai tattoo. I'm like, yeah, there it is. Well, sometimes you realize this ain't making it. I got to fix this. Yeah, especially that. People are like, bro, why do you have a fucking stingray on your back? Bro, speaking of tattoos, how many tattoos does Sean Brady have? That's motherfuckers feet are tattooed. Bro. Like his entire body's tattooed. How good did he look? Phenomenal. This thing might be phenomenal. I always get stressed out because everyone's asking for betting picks before the fights. And I am amazed tough, dude. I'm amazed tough to fucking pick. So with the walking Buckley fight, the reason I told my brother, literally put your mortgage on Sean Brady because walking Buckley did an interview like a week before is like, I'm not working on grappling. I'm not wrestling or grappling. I'm just gonna keep this thing standing and knock this motherfucker out. I was like, oh, buddy. No way. You can find it out there. But that could have been just a bullshit tactic to try to get Sean Brady because Sean Brady probably saw that interview too. Yeah. And was I cool? Say less and just, I know, but I mean, 10, seven rounds, three of them. I know it was nuts. But I mean, you could say that I get, I hear you if you were just playing mental games. I get you. But maybe he actually did that and it appeared so it. Well, hard to say because that's how good Sean Brady is. Hard to say. It's just tough when you lose like that. Right. You go back to the, you go back to locker room and you're like, fuck, we're not even in the same ballpark. No. Like I'm, what am I going to do? You look at your coach, you have to go, what are we going to do? I thought I was a top five guy. Right. I just got beat 10, six, three, three rounds in a row. Okay. I was going to bring this up. So I have some insight to this. So there was a very strange betting behavior. It says it turns out to be meaningless. Bet online cited abnormal betting patterns as Buckley moved from plus 150 underdog to minus 220 favorite before the fight. So this is what happened. There was money that moved very quickly before the fight and the UFC obviously because they've been through this shit with the guys fixing fights and the FBI investigated it. They got concerned. And so I believe what happened is they minimize the amount that you could bet online. So you couldn't bet big money anymore. I don't know what the, let's find out what the cap they put on it was. But then you, they were going to go ahead with the fight, but they wanted to make sure that Sean Brady wasn't injured. So this was the fear. The fear was that some inside camp word got out, Sean Brady's got an injury and then all the money jumps up because a lot of times that's what happened. But they, they did it right because I, before they would just cancel the fight. Like we don't know what's going on in our machine, can't fight. No, just take the fight off the betting sites. Well, they only did that one time. They did that one time with the Alexander Hernandez. I don't remember who he's fighting. I don't remember who Alexander Hernandez was fighting, but they did that with that fight. And I thought that was really crazy. Crazy. They asked Alexander, like, are you okay? He's like, I'm fine. Like I am planning on winning this fight. But for some reason he became an underdog. Nothing came out from it either. No. Like I wish they'd be a little more transparent. Like, okay, we looked into it. It's not bad. You know, but they just cancel the fight. And so everyone, now we just assume something happened. Something happened. Somebody's being dirty. Yeah. But then Hernandez fought again and lost his next fight. Um, Fakuddi fight. He fought someone on a fight night. It was a very good fight. Very close fight. The dude was very good. But I'm glad they're not just pulling the fight. Oh, Michael Johnson. It was supposed to be Michael Johnson. But they didn't have that fight. And then who did he fight next instead? So let's just go over this real quick before we figure out who he fought. And it's suspicious betting movement. So what is suspicious betting movement? Like, what if you and your boys all go, fuck it, I'm going all in. And you just decide to bet $100,000 on Buckley. Will that change it that dramatically? I don't. I think we're talking millions. I think it's that they had certain, they have, I think they have certain accounts that they knew. Oh, we're shady? Yeah, not shady, but I mean, they might be particular whales or whatever that are certain betters that always were betting, you know, $200,000 a fight or whatever. And maybe one or two of them changed. Two of the judges scored that fight. Try to see it. She says, $35,000. Abnormal betting patterns from highly monitored accounts. Interesting. Highly monitored accounts is interesting. Probably better get a new account. Figure it out. They're onto you, bitch. They also said that they called Sean Brady to hear at the bottom. I was going to point out, says someone called him to let him know and he's like, well, I'm fine. I love it. He goes, I'm going to beat the shit out of this guy. What are you talking about? And they're like, yeah, you're good to go. I think that's what Alexander Hernandez said too. That's a bummer. Yeah, it is a bummer. We can also understand. You can also understand from the UFC standpoint, because when it happened, especially then, they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, yeah. No, they're in a bad spot right now with that because until that gets resolved, the, look, the fight game has always been connected to fucking shady people. Always. That's a Marlon Brando movie on the waterfront. Yeah. I could have been a contender. Yeah. You know? Yeah. That's who he lost to. Oh, that's right. Hoffa Garcia. Very good fight. Very good fight. Hoffa did a phenomenal job. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. Once you've got a great name for your business, you need a great domain. And Squarespace makes it easy to lock in a domain. You just search the name you want, buy it, and then you're ready to build. No hidden fees, no weird upsells. Go to squarespace.com slash Rogan for a free trial. And when you are ready to launch, use the code Rogan to get 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. But I think too, back to the betting, I think that's also a reason why now more than ever, fighters again, so much hate. Because if you have a nine to five and you make $1,000 a week and you put 500 on, say, Hamzat and he loses that 500, that's why it's so toxic now. Because, yeah, your guy's losing, but now it's costing you money. So I think that's why fighters again so much more hate these days than they did. Even when I was fighting, betting was a big thing. Oh, yeah. No, I think you're absolutely right. I think it's Rafa Garcia. Is it Rafa or Hoffa? Why am I saying it wrong? I feel like it's Rafa. I think so too. I think I won Brazilian on me. I get it. For a minute there. I think it made a real good point about the betting, because that's why people are getting so upset, because they are betting money on it. It's a big problem with some people. With some people, the ability to just bet on anything anytime you want. And now with like a polymarket and all these different things, you could bet on, you know, fucking anything. Anything. Anything. Anything. How about that fucking soldier that got busted? They moved. He bet that Maduro was going to get kidnapped. But my thing is, it's like the Pete Rose thing. At least Pete Rose is betting on his team to win. This dude was betting on his fucking team to win. Don't discipline him. If you don't think Trump's giving him a pardon, you're at your goddamn mind. That guy's awesome. That's a weird one. That's a weird one. But I mean, why is that bad? But the insider trading in Congress goes unchecked. Oh my God. Like that, bro. That's crazy. If you get mad at that people, what a hypocrite. You're also dealing with this. Bessel Force's guy who, it's not like they're compensated that great. Right. And he was like, oh, I'm going to bet the house that we fucking get this idiot. Right. And by the way, he's betting on himself because it didn't have to happen. That's what I'm saying. It didn't have to work. It could have all got killed. It's like Pete Rose too. It's like keeping on Hall of Fame. I think they're going to let him in now that he died. But. Oh, great. Yeah, cool. That helps. Thank you. But it's also like he never bet against his team. It's pretty gangster. I don't know if that's true. I'm pretty sure. I don't know. I read something online. Really? He might have bet against his team at least at one on one game. I don't know if that's true though. I'm rooting for Pete Rose. But I just read something. I mean, they might have been a Pete Rose hater. That's what I thought. That's what that's what I heard. If he only bet for his team, I feel like that should be legal. That's what I'm saying. That's like this special forces guy. Well, you're trying to win harder. You're trying to win harder because you want money. Yeah. That would be good. That special force guy like, dude, you're really into this. Yeah. Fuck yeah, dude. I got a million bucks right on this. So confirmed evidence that ever produced that Pete Rose bet against his own team. There you go. The Cincinnati Reds, though there's some speculation. All official speculation. I must have read speculation. I mean, what the fuck? Say, personally, Pete Rose probably bet against the Reds at some point. John Dowd said. But even he has acknowledged that his investigation did not produce conclusive proof of such bets. So I feel like you should be able to bet on yourself as a fighter. I feel like you should be able to bet on yourself as a baseball player. Why not? Why not? You're just betting to win. Now, betting to lose. Different story. Different story. But if you just say, is that because you can't tell them how to bet? If you're going to let them bet, they have to be able to bet on whatever they want. Like, man, I don't know if I'm going to win this fight. Man, I'm not feeling great. I'm going to try. But I think I might lose. Let me just see if I can make a little extra money just in case I lose. Say, try my hardest. I lost, but still made some money. I made some money. Yeah, that's good. It just opens like Hannah Worms you don't want to deal with. It's like nobody's bet. Right. Because then what if you won? You're like, I won. Yeah, but I lost money because I fucking bet against myself. You're an idiot. You're an idiot. You made no money this fight. You'd have to be a fucking psycho to try to win knowing this is going to cost you money. You're like, you're a fucking idiot. You're like, I'm not going to win this fight. I'm not going to win this fight. I'm not going to win this fight. I'm not going to win this fight. 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I'm not going to win this fight. I'm not going to win this fight. I'm not going to win this fight. The odds are so against Strickland. So against Strickland. And this motherfucker beat arguably the best striking in the weight division of all time when Izzy Adesanya beat him at striking at fucking striking in Australia. And then they give him arguably the best grappler of all time in the weight division. And he beats him. So he were all of you listening. All you guys are closer to Sean Strickland than you are to LeBron James or Patrick Mahomes. He's just a tough white kid who trains his ass off. He's a blue collar guy. He doesn't run a 40 and a 4-4. He doesn't have a 40 inch vertical. He got one bad leg from a motorcycle accident. He's almost ruined his whole career. I get chills talking about dude. He's the guy. He's that blue collar guy through hard fucking work is a Hall of Famer, bona fide Hall of Famer and beat two of the greatest middle weights of all time. In all of sites, he's an underdog. Fluffy underdog. DDP underdog. Granted he lost when I started that first fight. Hamza massive underdog. Is he massive underdog? Second fight with DDP, he fucked the shoulder up too. Driving a dirt bike like a fucking psychopath. Crazy. Crash his dirt bike, fucked his shoulder up and they told him he had a fight. So he had to take the fight. So he had to take the fight with a fucked up shoulder. And one of the things you notice about when he's throwing right hands, in particular in this fight, I notice it was, they were awkward sometimes. Sometimes they just looked weird. Like he was trying not to use his shoulder or something. He was compromised. Yes, 100%. And I saw some of that in the second, Strickland, the second DDP fight, you know, where it looked like he was kind of throwing his punches weird, you know, which sometimes he does anyway because he goes around the guard. It's awkward. It's strategic. Yeah. He's throwing shit that you're not going to block correctly and then he's going to land you clean shots. But when you see him when there's nothing wrong with him, like he had this giant break because he punched somebody in some fucking low level promotion. Oh, that's right. Yeah. So he gave him like an eight month suspension, something like that, six month suspension, whatever it was. So you see him against Hernandez when he's perfect and he looks fucking phenomenal. His striking look phenomenal. Everything looked phenomenal. And I'm like, oh God, he looks like a better version of the guy who beat Izzy. He looked better. Best we've ever seen. And then he beats Hamza with one shoulder. This episode is brought to you by Keytone IQ. I don't care who you are. Performance is mental. I talk for a living, so I'm always looking for a way to stay sharp. Keytone IQ is one of the few things that actually feels like a game changer. 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I'll listen to former fighters or people that have been around the game a long, long time. If you have Hamza winning, yeah, okay. Nobody was robbed. I can give you a pretty good argument why Strikln won that fight. I can give you a damn good argument. I was talking to him inside the octagon before the fight. I said, what do you think? And I said, it was really close. It was really close. Because you really never know what judging. We've both seen fights where we were sure that one guy won and the other guy gets it from the judge. So you don't know. So, in my opinion, I would have to go over it and watch it again. Because when I call fights, I'm just calling them. It's tough. I'm not really scoring them. Super tough. It's weird. Because what you're trying to do is make some entertainment out of moments and put some weight to it and express maybe to people that don't know exactly what's going on. You're also listening to your other partners. Others in the booth. Right. DC's great at that. DC's the best at explaining shit to people that don't know what's going on when it comes to wrestling in particular. Because he's such an elite wrestler. And there was a lot of wrestling moments in that. So that's what you're doing. So you're not really judging the fight. If you're judging, you'd be silent. Eddie Bravo used to judge fights unofficially for the UFC in the early days. What Eddie would do is he would write, he would have a piece of paper and draw a line down the middle for each guy. And then he would have categories. Kick's landed, punches landed, take down submission attempts. He would mark all these different things. Every time something would happen, he would mark it down. And then he would also go by who landed the most damage. And he was really good at it. He was very accurate in terms of I never disagreed with him. I was like, that makes sense. But if your intention is to score the fight, you don't have to be entertaining and do the commentating, I can do that. It's like I do commentate for a game, Brad. And there was a fight. Fight of the night. And Jimmy Smith is going, who do you think won? And I said, dude, this isn't the time to ask because I was entertained by the fight. We're doing our thing. Right, right, right. I go home and watch it. I'll let you know exactly who won. Right. It's such a close fight. I don't know, dude. Especially wars. Especially a crazy war. It's so hard to figure out who won. Some wars, like, think of like, what if Tyra and Joshua Vann had made it to the end? That's a tough one. That's a tough one. I mean, Joshua Vann definitely did more damage. 100%. Which is the number one thing they are supposed to judge it on. So I would judge that in favor of, like, we had a conversation about the Gomez fight. Who was Gomez fighting? Pat Sabatini. So Pat Sabatini was fighting Gomez and all Pat Sabatini did was clinch him and try to take him down. Took him down a couple times. But when they were standing up, Gomez, Pat landed a few strikes. Definitely. Completely outclassed him. But Gomez landed more. So I'm like, okay, I know Pat spent the majority of the fight in control. The majority of the fight clinching. The majority of the fight working towards the takedown. But it was unsuccessful for the most part. Gomez bounced back up to his feet every time. Never took any damage on the ground. Never got close to being submitted. And then when they stood up, Gomez was the one who was going after him landing strikes. I don't know if it was enough to win, though. Because it's like, there wasn't a lot of damage. It wasn't like he hit Pat and Pat got rocked and Pat went down. And there was none of that. But Gomez was doing better in the standup, which when it comes to damage, that was the only damage of the fight. But the other thing you had to take into consideration is like, I love DCs, one of my favorites. But DC has an extensive wrestling background. So he's usually going to, not that he means to, but because he has such an extensive wrestling background, if you listen to Kamaru Usman and Henry Sohudo, most of them will score that fight for Hamzah. Because of the wrestling involved. But if you talk to someone else who doesn't have a wrestling background or it's more of a striking background, most of them score it for Strickland. So you always got to, I take it with a little bit of great assault. When those guys, heavy wrestlers, if there's wrestling, but they weren't successful, like takedowns were successful, they're like, that's a takedown. Like, but he didn't do shit with it though. There's also the Strickland factor. There's a lot of people that he rubs the wrong way. Boom. And they don't want him to win. That is the wild shit that he says offstage. Listen, sometimes he goes too far. He said he went too far. He apologized for going too far. But God damn did he sell some tickets. I like what you said there. You said, don't apologize. You're selling the fight. Yeah. That's my thing too. It's like, whoa, no, no, don't apologize. Don't apologize for any of that. Because on Monday, I was so excited to get in studio. I was so excited. I felt like for the first time in a long time, the UFC's back. I felt back, man. You really think the UFC's gone away? No, no. No, I'm not saying that. Don't get to it. I'm saying as far as, like, Conor Khabib, like, bad blood. Big time. Couldn't wait. Like, I, dude, I was tech day before I'm tech. Dude, I can't fucking wait. It was like, I was so hyped for this fucking fight, dude. It just felt like, you know, there was Conor Day, Khabib days, those are over. But this one, the magnitude of it, and I usually can tell when a fight's going to be really big because I'm always at baseball fields and football fields. And dads will come and be like, dude, do you think Strickland has a chance? I'm like, you watch fighting? I'm like, oh shit. I was like, this can be huge, dude. This can be fucking big, dude. It was huge. And it was huge because of the way Sean sold it. 100%. Not just that Sean has a ton of fans, for sure, you know, but it was the way he sold it. The chaos. People love it. They love that. And especially casuals. They love the chaos. I love it, too. I love it, too. He makes things fun. He makes things fun. And then people get so mad, you know, some stuff he says, but it's like, there's a lane for that. Hate to tell you, there's a lane for that. And I think Strickland, you've been around Strickland. He's a good person. He also has some crazy thoughts and stuff like that, which is fine. But remember, too, people go, you have to see them have stars. And then you get a kid like Strickland, who's built his name. This is gonna be the most watched fight, one of the third most watched wanes of all time. He's trying to be a star, so you guys complain there's no stars. And then when he's doing the damn thing, you guys are hating on him. You know, so it's like, pick your poison. Well, they're hating by the way he's doing it, right? That he's making things super personal. But this is what Conner did. I mean, that's what Conner did with Khabib. Conner crossed the line many times with Khabib. Oh, buddy. The line's here. Conner was all the way over here. And there was no apologizing after that. I mean, that was the brawl afterwards, where Khabib, you know, jumped in the crowd and fucked up Dylan Danes. That's my favorite picture of all time. I need to frame my fucking suit. When Khabib's literally flying off the fucking cage, bout the fucking. But remember, before that fight, in the fight, Khabib was all professional. He was all good. As soon as that motherfucker in it, he's like, now it's time to get to work. Yeah, dude. That is a crazy photo. Take my motherfucking world. World champion just got done stopping Conner McGregor, and he's leaping into the fucking crowd just like his nickname. And super humble. He's the eagle. Yeah, the eagle. His talons are fucking out for his face. I mean, you couldn't come up with a better nickname for that, dude. You know how Dan Henderson has that flying punch that he landed on Bissby when Bissby was down? That's like his logo. That should be Khabib's logo. 100%. With like rings on it, like a flying eagle. Fucking animal. Dude, that was great. I love that guy. I love him. Oh, you know, we appreciate him while he's here, but maybe not enough. With Homsot too, I also think a couple of factors that went against him on Saturday night. He's been in big fights, but he hasn't been in this big of a fight. Defending the middleweight title, you have this wild boy talking so much shit. So I don't think he's dealt with that kind of pressure at that level. And then also, Homsot's always kind of had a cardio issue. Remember when I went to his camp, I called you. I'm like, bro, I've never seen someone so fucking, I'm talking vicious. Fucking everybody up. Destroying them. I was like, oh my God. So there's an issue with him, and I don't know what it is, where that's not translating inside the octagon. Well, I can tell you right now, first of all, first part of the issue is the weight cut. He cut 100%, dude, he cut 22 kilos. Listen to me. He got 40-something pounds. They were making it so that he was going to fight Uri Prohas. At 205. Right. So he starts bulking up, and he's eating like a fucking animal, and he's deadlifting and doing all kinds of crazy shit. He said he was 230, I think. He was above that. Yeah. He was somewhere north of 230. And so then he's 230, whatever. And so then he's got a drop down to 85, which is bananas. That's so hard to do. He never got fat. So what happens? Well, your muscle gets eaten away. Your body deteriorates. You can't recover. And he had a bad breakdown in the middle of the weight cut. I heard his horror was here. His brother today was like, yes, we thought his body was going to shut down. Yeah. So they took an hour off weight cutting, and then they went back. And he only had like 1.2 kilos to lose at that point, which is, what is that? Was that like five pounds? No. No, I mean two pounds? Two and a half pounds, right? Two and a half. What is it? It's 2.2. Okay, so somewhere around... But I think he was 230. That's a lot, though, if you're already dying. You got to lose two pounds of water. Oh, it's a nightmare. Two 60-ounce bottles of water. But when he was, let's say, 230 or maybe 235, how many weeks out was that? Do we know? I don't know. Because when Strickland beat Fluffy, they were like, hey, forget this year he fight. You're fighting at 85. It's a few months. It's a few months, but when you have muscle and not fat, it is a problem. It's a real problem. It's not the same problem. So if you get big like Strickland gets in between fights, like Strickland, there's a lot of videos of him training where he's got almost like a belly. He's heavy and he makes fun of himself. He's fat. That's a different fat. That's different to lose. You can lose that. You can lose that. That's not a problem to lose. When you're bulked up, your body has decided that now you're 230 pounds and you're still working out all the time. So your body's using those muscles all the time. So if you want those muscles to shrink, they literally have to eat themselves. So you have to fucking starve yourself or you do a radical dehydration, which brings you to the brink of death. That's what fights you. And it seems like that's what he did. Prior factor, but my thing is... Giant factor, dude. It's a factor for sure. There's also a factor, but it's not like in the DDP fight and these other fights, not like he's going in there tenacious, finishing guys. Well, the DDP fight was just him in control. It was just him grappling, him in control. But no attempt to finish. That's my issue with him. True. He just wanted to secure the win. I think it's here. It could be. It could be. And that also plays a factor when you're dealing with a guy like Sean who's so durable and has such great cardio and can take the fight into deep, deep waters and always does. He's always going after you in the final round. The final round with Izzy, when he's got his hands down, he's screaming at Izzy. Come on. He looks better. He gets better as that fight goes on. Yeah. And Izzy had noticeably faded by that final round. Part of that because of the beating that he took in the first. Correct. He got super close to stopped, probably can cuss in the first. That fucking straight punch that he landed where he spun Izzy's head around and then hit him with how many fucking left hands in a row? 15, 20 left hands in a row? Let's count them. Let's watch that and count them because it's crazy. He just bang, bang, bang, bang. If you think you're going to go and just fight normal after that, you're concussed. You're compromised. Probably you have a concussion. Just by the way he went down, his head spun around. It was a right hand, right? Wasn't it a right hand? It was a right hand, yeah. And it spun around. Picture perfect right hand. Picture perfect straight right. I mean, it was picture perfect. You don't get a cleaner, better right hand and then blast him with all those punches in the clinch. You're gone after that. You're a shell of yourself. You're gone. The other thing with Hamzai too is after, again, you could chalk it up to the weight cut that second round when he doesn't land that take down and falls to his back, I'm like, oh, he's cooked. Dude, I think his body was shut. We're six minutes into the motherfucking fight and your coach? His body was shutting down and he realized that he went real hard in the first round but doesn't have the gas tank. He said, let me coast. I could survive on the bottom here, but I need to catch my breath if I'm going to try to finish this guy. It might have been a strategy. And he got better that third, fourth, fifth round. Right, because the strategy might have been, listen, if I'm on my back, no big, like he tries for a take down, can't get it, he realized, oh, Jesus, I'm not going to be able to fight standing up like this for five minutes after that first round because his body almost shut down 24 hours ago. 24 hours ago, it is the dumbest fucking thing we do in the sport where we allow these people to pretend that they weigh a certain way. You pretend, oh, it's a 185 pound fight. The fuck it is. Yeah, both those boys are over 200. Even one of those guys, 100%. And Strickland is actually a bigger fight. Strickland is actually a bigger guy than him. Strickland's a big boy. Strickland, that night in the cage, is a bigger dude. Well, he definitely looked healthier, right? And I think part of that, you could attribute to the fact that Hamzat is killing himself. Well, what Hamzat say to Dana as soon as he jumped out of the cage, he goes, I'm done fighting him. I'm going to 205. But apparently now, all he's talking about is a rematch. It's back on. Yeah. It's back on. So what he's got to do, love to hear, is he has got to limit his calorie intake and he's got to literally burn the muscle off. He can't just keep dehydrating himself like that. So you would have to talk to someone who's an expert at that. But my friend Cam Haynes, when he runs these ultra marathons, what he does is he gets himself down like 160 pounds. And the way he does it is he just limits his fucking calories and keeps working out the exact same way. And he looks terrible when he does that. He looks so tired all the time. But it's just sheer willpower gets him down to that weight. But that is slow running for days. Correct. That's a different thing. We can't do that. Right. What he's doing is exploding and moving quickly. And my personal opinion is you have to be biologically healthy to do that. You have to be a healthy person. You can't just be big, right? And you're not healthy if you almost died a day ago. Correct. Because that's really what's going on. And we think these guys can recover. But how much do they recover? Will they fucking for sure don't recover 100%? Not a hundo. Not a 100%. That's why I'm excited for him at 205. A lot of people are like, oh, I don't like them. The weight is an issue at 205. If he's 100% a homicide, I know he might be a little undersized, but 100% a homicide could be a lot better than 70%. That's great. Strickland ain't going to do it. He's going to say, you didn't fucking make the weight the first time. Oh, 100%. He's going to talk mad shit. It'll be fun. He's a fucking coward. I beat him with one arm. It's going to get crazy. You got to fight him at middleweight. But he's got to go to some expert in losing weight. Oh, no. I'm not saying Strickland, Homsot, 205. No, no. No, no. Strickland's going to stay at fucking 85 in Tom and Ake. No, Homsot, he's going to do that rematch. And then that's it. He's a 205er. Well, I think he's, or to your point, he has to maintain a weight that's realistic when he's still performing. But he has to figure that out. He's got to stop lifting weights, right? So whatever he was doing that got him up to 230 pounds or whatever he was, we're guessing, right? That's what I'd heard that he was north of 230. Whatever he was doing, he's got to not do that. And he's got to do mad cardio, just cardio, like working out, like wrestling, hitting a bag, hitting pads, and cardio. I'm a big proponent of, do your sport. Get your cardio from your sport. I see it across the board. I get a little hesitant when I saw all these videos of Homsot hitting the tire with the hammer and doing all these runs. I'm like, yeah, but I'd rather you get your cardio from actually wrestling against top level guys and fucking get after it, dude. Because what's Strickland do? Do you see Strickland doing all this heart rate monitor? No. Why is his cardio so good? Because he fucking spars like a madman all the time. So the Strickland you see in that training camp is the exact same motherfucker you see in the octagon. There's no issues. Meanwhile, you got these guys run their hill sprints and do all that. I'd rather you get your cardio in your actual sport. I see it at the lower level too with kids. I coach football, baseball. These dads are like, I don't get it, man. I'm doing the foot ladder drill with my son five days a week. Can't catch football. I'm like, because we're not trying to see who has the best foot ladder fucking who can do it the fastest. We're catching football. Do you think that there's football? If you want to get better football? 100%. But do you think that some of that stuff has a purpose? Yes, but not close to the fight. Interesting. Because usually what we would do is like, let's say you do have an eight-week camp. Before the camp starts, we're doing a lot of that stuff. And then once we get a camp, the focus was the cardio was getting it in your training. You know who agrees with you? Algermene Sterling. Algermene talked about this. He's pretty good. Pretty fucking good. How good that he looked against the law. Best back control in the game. And why is he so underrated? I don't get it. Why doesn't he get his duty? It's the loss of Piorian. It's fucking crazy. He's so good. It's the win, the victory where he had an injury from an illegal shot. People hated on him from then on out. Think I'll get you against Evil Oath. I know. He's amazing. That was a fucking split decision. Some people thought he won. Yeah. He could have easily won that fight. That motherfucker's so good. Yeah, Algermene's the man. Yes. He had that Marab does the same thing. Now who the fuck has better cardio than Marab? I would say nobody. Nobody alive. Ever in any sport I've ever seen. Maybe that guy that broke the fucking whatever's four minute mile or something. But as far as what we do. Yeah, but he ain't getting taken down. He's not getting punched in the face. People should just go to Marab's camp like what are you doing? He's like I'm wrestling. I'm fucking wrestling. He does run. He does run. He does lift some weights every now and then. But he doesn't do any of that crazy garage stuff. And one of the guys that spoke out against the garage stuff was Cub Swanson. I shouldn't say spoke out against it. But what he did say was that when he did that because he did some of the training lab stuff, he said he was too broken down. He said he was over trained and he said he was just too tired when he was going into like fight camp. Yeah. Like we see you doing all the other stuff too. You're still boxing. You're still kickboxing. You have to. You're still wrestling. And he said he did badly in those fights. Which is interesting because the Marvin Morinovich approach was very different with BJ Penn. And that was the best BJ Penn ever. The best BJ Penn ever. But they literally did no fight training. What they did is all plyometrics and it's different from the stuff the training lab stuff is doing. Because the training lab stuff, he's doing bicycle work and all this different. Because that's what Sam Calvita came from. Correct. Came from a cycling background. What Marv was having him do was all plyometric stuff and just build this fucking insane machine. He's like BJ, you already know how to fight. Fact. You're not going to get better at fighting in eight weeks. Right? Fact. But what we can do is give you an unstoppable gas tank. And one of the things that always fucked BJ up earlier in his career is that he wasn't, when he was training himself or when he had, you know, wasn't... Kim and his brother. Yeah. It wasn't the most disciplined. Different days. Yeah. And... Freak. Freak. And one of the things that won the world the Mundiales at three years in to Jiu Jitsu. As a black belt. Complete freak. Like nobody does that. That's why he's almost a bad example, you know what I'm saying? It's like, yeah. Right. But what he, the problem with really talented people, and I'm sure you'd probably agree with me, they tend to not work as hard. Yeah. Right? Like Sean, although he's a world champion, he's not a guy where you see like, oh my God, he is so talented. Like what he does is like no one can move that way. No one can do what he does. Like you know, there's certain guys that are like that. Sean's stuff is hard work. Hard work. So the guys that are super talented, it comes a little easier for them and sometimes they have a harder time with the hard work because they're not used to getting beat up. They're not used to getting pressed. So when they have to do this drill where you're rotating in new sparring partners over and you're exhausted and when you're doing that, hell, they don't like that. No. So some guys avoid that shit. They want to be tuning guys up. Spot on. Yeah. And so those guys, when they're fighting a George St. Pierre or someone of a commensurate skill level, they might fade because that guy got there and it threw a different path. I mean, George, always a phenomenal athlete, one of the best wrestlers in MMA ever and didn't even come from a wrestling background. I mean, George is one of the all time greats. There's not like one thing that George would do that would make you think like that guy is a freak athlete. There's never been anybody like him like that. No, far from it to your point. Far from it. Because I train with George forever. And when we did, they would have us do some stuff like I did in the NFL like sprints and vertical and the agility drills like nothing. Nothing crazy. No. But BJ was crazy. BJ is crazy. BJ could do stuff where you're like, how the fuck can you do that? BJ could jump out of a pool and land easy. BJ has insane flexibility. The way he moves his legs, his balance is nuts. There's a video of someone trying to take him down and they have a single and they are driving across the cage. And he's on one leg hopping with zero fear of being taken down. But to your point, BJ's that talented, John's another one. Yep. Where it's like. Right. So fucking talented. So fucking talented. And then the difference being like John always figured out a way to win and John, if he had a bad camp for one fight, he would come back in the next fight and really fucking put it to somebody. Right. Like the Gustafson fight. First fight with Gustafson, he doesn't train at all. I talked to Craig Jackson, he's like he barely showed up. At all. Barely showed up in the gym. And then has a five round. For a five round fight. Four. And pulls it out in the final two rounds. It's crazy. Crazy. Gets taken down for the first time. We see him get taken down by Gustafson. Like, oh my God, Gustafson might be the man. And John pulls it out. So the second fight comes around and John trains hard. Fuck him up. And John fucks him up. I mean fucks him up in a way like this is what would have happened if I tried. Yeah. If I prepared the way you prepared, this is what you get. You get a fucking beating. You know, and this is the dance of like who's the greatest of all time. And that's why the argument in most people's eyes is that John is the greatest of all time. Because John was all those things. Super talented. And when push came to shove and he had to get back into work and get to gear. He would do it. He would do it. And he would pull it off against DC. He would pull it off. The steep a fight was, I think that was not steep a. That was an old. No, that's when you like when you talk about his resume, like, all right, you know, steep a is the steep a that, you know, ran through the heavyweight division, the steep a that knocked out Alistair Overeem, that beat Fabrizio Verdo for the title, beat Francis. When Francis was just crushing everybody. And I think that took a lot out of his chin that Francis fight. I really do. Oh, that changes him forever. I think. Because DC knocks him out right after that. And you know, it wasn't the biggest punch in the world. It was a big punch. But I mean, he had taken bombs from Francis. Yeah. Back to John being the guy. So I'll tell you, it's like when you look at his resume, it's just phenomenal. Wow. Phenomenal. As far as younger, never UFC champion crazy. But as far as like, uh, Josh Barnett, did Josh Barnett win it earlier? No, I think John's the youngest. John's the youngest. And Josh was the youngest. Joshua van second now. Right. So Josh, Josh Barnett won the heavyweight title at what 24. Yeah. And those boys were well, it didn't a strip him for steroids when everyone was doing steroids. That is crazy. It's like when WWE guys get busted, like, oh, come on. Like, bitch, you ain't testing everybody. You just don't like Josh. It's the way to get him out. I love Josh. It's the way to get him out. But back to John, it's like you look at his resume, Grace to ever do it. Yeah. Beat the very best in murder's row. Murder's row. Yeah. Now, you know, it's not even comparable to today's light, heavyweight and heavyweight. But then you don't think so? No. Well, listen close. When Alex. Especially at heavyweight. The heavyweight was the light, heavyweight champion. It's certainly comparable. Alex is the light, heavyweight champion. The Alex that beat Magomedov. The Alex that knocked out Yuri Prohaska. The Alex that starches everybody that fucked up Jamal Hill. Like that Alex Pereira and John Jones in his prime would have been insane. That would have been insane. Oh, man. Tough to beat the wrestling of John. Like John's wrestling was on a totally different level. His reach, his IQ, his IQ. His IQ. The wrestling would be tough for Alex. What could he do to Cheryl Gahn? Crazy. He avoided the shots. He read him like a book. Bullied him. Bullied him. Got all of his neck and like, I'll take that. Dude, if you go back and look at John, my fighting years too, you look at that light, heavyweight division. One through fucking 15. Good luck. That's especially heavyweight. True. Good fucking luck. But at light, heavyweight. Okay, so. Not a lot of those guys are ranked in top 10. How do you think Yuri, well, let's think of Alex. How do you think Alex would have done against Gustafson? What would you top fight for him? You think so? Yes. Gustafson and his prime? Yeah. You think so? Yeah. And do you think that based on the T'Chara fight, because he pieced up Glover, remember that fight? Yeah. Bro, that was a video game combination. Perfect. We knocked out T'Chara. Dude, Alex is one of those guys, similar to DC, when John just reigned as champ, it's like if Alex was just born at a different time, maybe five years before, five years after, he's our John Jones. He was so fucking talented. Huge. Six, six, six, seven, great wrestling, great world class boxing, good at everything, dude. Just hard in the division with the goat. You fucked, you got fucked. Your mom and dad decided to have sex at the same time, John and his parents did, and you're fucked. Look at what happened with Ilya Toporya. Think about the guys that he's fighting. Think about Max Holloway, think about Charles Oliveira, think about Alexander Volkanovsky, and he has blasted all of them into orbit, all three of them. This guy ever to stop Max, it's like if you're in that guy's division, what are you going to do, especially at 45? I don't know what it's going to be like at 55. Obviously, the Oliveira fight was a one punch knockout, but... That was such a bad knockout. Crazy knockout. But when you see him and Justin next to each other, you're like, whoa, Justin is quite a bit bigger. Justin, big cat. He's quite a bit bigger. That's a tough fight. It's a different fight than Oliveira. It's different. Fuck, then you see what Oliveira was able to do to Max. You're like, good lord. Oliveira's a fucking beast. He looks phenomenal. And he couldn't do none of that to Ilya. The only thing with all that is the 55 division, no one's in the prime. Charles is in his prime when Ilya beat him. Justin's definitely not in his prime. Max is in his prime. They're all good. They're fucking good, but not prime prime. And the issue is, Ilya is just getting to his prime. Just surging. And already one of the greatest of all time. He's a fucking problem. Yeah, he's so smart and so disciplined and so completely focused and dialed in, graded everything. And the crazy thing is, didn't even start as a striker. Started as a grappler. Now his toughest matchup is Armin Tsarukin. That's the motherfucking fight. 100%. But that's what I was going to say. With Homsot, he's not active. I know I'm jumping around a little bit. But with Homsot, I think one of his issues with whatever's going on inside that octon weight cut 100%, clearly there seems to be a mental block when it comes to fishing fights because he's worried about gassing out. RAF, take a game page out of fucking Tsarukin's book. Just wrestle all the... Tsarukin, I think he's wrestled like eight times as fucking here. Just fucking dudes up, making all the money. He makes six figures every time he fucks somebody up, but he's active. He's staying active. Competing. And the UFC's going, yeah, go ahead and do it. So for Homsot, dude, because he fights once a fucking year, which is not good, dude. So it's like, stay active over there. Stay active like Armin Tsarukin's doing. Keep your weight down. Yeah, I don't know if he's interested in doing that. He signed with him. Yeah, but what was the fight that they signed that he was going to wrestle somebody? Who was it? Do you remember? I think they want to toss him like an Olympian, which is... That's where it gets nice. Yeah, here's my fear. There was a recent event. There was a very weird event. I don't know who did it, but it was kicks to the leg, punches to the body, and jujitsu. Have you seen that? No, get the fuck out of my face. It was weird. Yeah, no. So Glace and T-Bow was fighting. I apologize, I don't remember who he was fighting. And he takes this guy down and the guy catches. He's trying to avoid the take down. He catches his knee in a weird way and it blows out. So that could happen to fucking anybody. Wrestling's a little safer, though. I don't know about that, because this was in the wrestling exchange that he took him down. Yeah, but those guys aren't exactly high-level wrestlers. True. True. Like RAF has its top tier shit. Oh yeah, no doubt. It's so good. No doubt. But wrestlers blow their knees out all the time. True. It's just a part of the craziness of explosive movement and a guy is coming after you. It's kind of what you sign up for. 100%. So for a time slot, it's like, dude, we can't fight fucking once a year and they have weight issues and clearly there seems to be a mental block and you get finishes because you're cardio. Let's do RAF. Let's get this rolling, keeps your weight down, keeps you active, also keeps you in the limelight. Like, Armin has blown the fuck up, dude. True. He's a massive star now. True. Especially online. I don't know how much that translates to the point of a republic. That's great. It's for dorks like us. Dorks like us? They're a fucking point. We are some dorks. Or riding his nuts. He beat Giorgio twice. It's such a good point. It's Lance Palmer, the wrestler that he tech-falled, which is nuts. Nuts. You're I-favorite? Yeah. Threw over the fucking thing. That was crazy. Why'd you do that? What if he both got hurt? What if you hurt your right? He's a bit of a mean head. Well, he's a psychopath. Yeah. He's a full-on psychopath. I mean, he's rich. Dude, he's so rich. Like, literally wealthy. Do you see him on that stream? They go, so like, if you wanted to buy a car, like, 500,000 car, what do you do? You go, I just call my dad. Yeah. Like, what? His dad's like a billionaire. He's a real money, but he's not lazy at all. No, he's like... Like, he flies in the face of this, like, long-standing belief that we all had that if you come from a rich family, you can't be a great fighter. Dude, he's Batman. It doesn't matter if you come from the ghetto. He's gonna fuck you up. He does not give a fuck. Like, you're some fucking dudes, like, I'm from the favelas, you know, I did like... Good luck. Cool, man. Good luck with that fucking Armenian psychopath. Yeah, and he's pulling up in a Maybach. Yeah. Like, he'll be caviar. He pulls into LA. I watch his YouTube videos. He's, you know, shows him training and all the different stuff he does. When he lands in LA, he goes immediately to an exotic rental car place and rents a Lamborghini and drives it to the training lab. Bro, it's not the way it's supposed to work, but he pulls it off. Bro, good luck with that guy. Good luck with that guy. Go ahead and make fun of him for being rich. Build like a Greek god. Yeah. Can wrestle like a fucking elite top tier wrestler. And he can strike. And he can submit you. Good luck. Bro, he's angry because he's denied a shot at the title, because he heard his back when he was getting ready to fight Ilya. Which is the best thing that ever happened to him. You think so? Yeah, because look how much...because we were fucking dorks and we knew who he was, but the general, like, especially online, no one...his profile's so big now, I think it's just with dorks. I mean, I think... But those dorks, the equal sponsorship, money... Yeah. Well, here's the deal. There's only one compelling fight. Look at the fucking build on this cat. That is not a guy that grew up with a billionaire dad who could just go buy a fucking Lamborghini with his credit card if he wants to. He's Bruce Wayne, but his parents are still alive. It's nice. He has no reason to be upset. Well, I'll tell you what. Armenians...look at the fuck...shut the fuck up, man. Great body. Just shut up. Great body. That's ridiculous. Great body. That makes me want to just quit and eat fucking potatoes all day. Or get you in that fucking kind of shape. Yeah, I'm kidding. Yeah. Or just get ripped. I'm so dispensered by better help. We've all been there, staying up late, stressed about the future. Maybe you're worried about finding a job or a looming deadline. Whatever you're feeling stressed out about, you don't have to work it out on your own. No one person has all of life's answers. And it's a sign of strength and self-awareness to reach out for help. That's why this Mental Health Awareness Month, we're reminding you to stop going at it alone. Get the support you need with a fully licensed therapist from BetterHelp. They make connecting with a therapist convenient and easy. 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It's beyond just MMA, UFC. Mariclaw and I fuck off. This is, imagine the headlines do. Yes. He's that guy in his prime who's knocking everyone into the shadow realm. He says to Charles Oliveira, I'm sorry it has to be you. And has a celebration party the night before the fight? Had a party. Had a party. Was drinking wine and shit? No, he wasn't. Was he? Yeah, pretty sure he's drinking wine. No, I think it was water. No, I'm pretty sure he's drinking wine. Imagine that fucking psychopath. And he gets starched. Yeah, and he's got that beautiful fucking Spanish accent. Yeah, dude, just checks all the boxes. Check all the boxes. It's such a tough fight for Justin, but I'm rooting for Justin. I love both of them. But just for the sheer fact of, again, I like chaos at that in front of the weird elites watching the fight. You don't know what the fuck's going on. It's going to be great if Justin pulls it off. Yeah, if Justin pulls it off, it'd be one of the greatest upsets of all time. One of the greatest victories of all time. And if he does just retire, Teporia plans to celebrate before the gachee clash at the White House. Of course he's going to celebrate. He's doing it. That's his move, whatever he does. He's doing it again. Massive celebration dinner the night before his lightweight belt. He's going to be on it. We're going to celebrate before the fight. Actually, we have everything organized. My team has already taken care of that. That's a mind fucking a half when you're in your hotel room and you're just fucking scrolling on Instagram thinking about 24 hours from now, you're going to be fighting and you're like, what's this asshole doing? Oh, he's fucking standing on top of a table dancing. That's how sure he is. He's going to beat the fuck out of you. He's eating spaghetti and fucking doing a salsa dance. What the fuck are you talking about, man? Did you see when all the fighters at the White House, Trump's like, I thought you liked this guy. You're like, oh fuck. Because why would you give your friend his toughest test? Yeah. Well, for gachee, that's the last fight. I mean, if this is really going to be his last fight, that is the last fight. And it's smart. It's smart because that patty fight is entertaining fight for the casuals. As far as technical wise, it was so sloppy, man. It was just so sloppy. Well, Justin told me that that's what he wanted to do. Which he should do. He just wanted to just go fuck you and just come at him and just throw caution to the win and just almost fight like he did back in the PFL days. World Series of Fighting Base. That's what it was. Yes. Yeah, that's right. That's exactly what he should be doing. And that's exactly what he should have done for patty. It was a sloppy fight, but he got the job done. But you can tell, and it's all good. This is a knock on Justin, all the gears, all the wars, one of the greatest careers that we've ever seen. It catches up with you. 100%. It has to. And now here's Ilya Toporya. But again, I bet Justin wouldn't have it any other way. You have an opportunity to pull off one of the biggest, if not the biggest upsets we've ever seen. And Trevor Whitman. At the fucking White House. Justin has an awesome series, the Art of Violence, I think it's called. It's on YouTube. And it's all talking about him preparing. It's all videos of him training. And Trevor Whitman's in it. And Trevor was saying, we love being the underdog. We love it. And he talked about being the underdog with Rose Namaunas when she beat Yohana Yojacek. When she beat Yong Wei Li, same thing. They love being the underdog in those situations. Like stopping Wei Li was nuts. Crazy. You know, that she was the underdog, had kicks her. Yep. Crazy. And that. This is a little different, but I hear you. It is different. It's different. It's similar in ways. The Zhang Wei Li is. Cause Zhang Wei Li is fucking everybody. It's scary. There's no one like her, the physicality of her at straw weight. She was a fucking monster. Her training was bananas. Crazy. I'd watch her training and go, good lord. Who's gonna beat her? She's like. Her shoulders and shit. But the way she trains, she trains like a dude. Like an angry dude. You know what I mean? Like women. There's a haircut to show. And it's not a knock on the way women train. I'm not saying that. I'm saying like the ferocity was like she's filled with testosterone. Like she's trying to kill somebody. She probably is, Joe. She might be. It might be natural. It might have slipped something into her noodles. Did you see that one fighter who got busted? And she goes, oh man. I was, I took my husband's vitamins and just had these steroids. Yeah, my husband. She threw her husband under the bus for taking steroids. She fucked up. Was he an active fighter? I don't think so. Is he? No, he's probably just some meathead. He's like, yeah, I guess this works. I hope so. Yeah, me too. Because if he's an active fighter, he'd be like, what the fuck? Now we're both fucked. Yeah. Say somebody gave you the wrong thing. Yeah. But back to Whaley and Rose. The difference with that is Rose was still pretty inner prime there. Yes. 100%. That's a good point. That's a good point. Real good point. Justin's not in his prime, but damn, he didn't look like he lost a step in the Patty Pimbley fight. He just was just being an animal. And Pimbley's fucking good, man. You see what Pimbley did to Bobby Green and granted Bobby Green's not quite at the same level, although he looked fucking sensational. He looked good. He looked good. Against Jeremy Stevens. He just keeps doing the damn thing. But also that style is so fun. Talking shit, pointing at you. He's fun, man. So fun. He's on my face. So fun. How about at the end of the fight, when I'm interviewing him, he's like, come walk with me. And he takes me over to Daddy's Joe Day. Yeah, he wants that bonus. They've never given him bonus. He was just talking about it. He's one of the most exciting fighters he's ever done it. He's awesome. I'm like, everybody knows that. He's like, why didn't you get my fucking bonus? Yeah. But I'm kind of with Dana on the bonus. Dana goes, well, we do it also with your strength of your opponent. Joe Hoover was good, dude. He beat Joe Hoover in his last fight and stopped him. That was, he should have got a point. He should have got for that one. That's what he was talking about. Well, but for this last fight, for his last fight, you know, he fought Jeremy Stevens. Great fighter, but you know, compared to like the other guys on the card. Yeah. That's why Dana's like, well, well, no, but he was complaining about not getting a bonus in his last fight. That's why he wanted a bonus in this fight. He was saying this because I even asked him, I go, you didn't get a bonus for the Zell Hoover fight. He got 25K, right? Because I didn't finish them. If you get a finish, no matter what, you get, but he wanted the big boy bonus. The big boy bonus. Yeah. I hate, I hate all of it. I hate people that have to ask for bonuses. It's awkward. Look, the money is there, right? We know the money's there. Like, this is a $7 billion deal. I'm not a businessman. I'll say that right now. If I was running the UFC, the stockholders, they would fucking kick me out. Yeah. The shareholders would have been fired. We don't be broke. Yeah. I wouldn't, you don't want me. You don't want that. You don't want me running the UFC because I treated it like I was a communist. I'm also, yeah, me too. I'm also a little more careful the way I talk about it too because I don't know their books. I don't know how to run a giant company like that. I assume with $7.7 billion, I'm like, man, I feel like we could give some over here. But then if you talk to somebody in the know that like, oh, do you? Well, look at this motherfucker. I'm like, oh, my bad. My bad. Now, this is not a knock on Aria manual, but it was reported that he made $67 million last year. It worked very hard. I'm sure he did. But that was from the UFC, from TKO, right? That was his payout. And he's got a bunch of other things going on. He's a very successful guy. But you can see the reason they sold for $7.7 billion. He's a big part of it. 100%. And also, he took the big chance in purchasing it for $2 billion, which was a big deal. The whole thing is like, this is why you're in business. I think fighting is different than any other business. And the reason why I say this, and you could speak to this more than anybody, you are putting your health on the line in a way that is not required in any other business other than maybe football and boxing and kickboxing. You're putting your health on the line in a way that's different than any other business. You are the only thing that people are tuning in for. Without the fighters, there is no UFC. It doesn't exist. It is the entire product. The thing you're selling is entirely fighters. And it's fighters that operate for a short window of their prime. They have 10 years or whatever they have. When they get out, we've all talked about guys that are mumbling now. You can't understand what the fuck they say. You see tics that they have and guys who have neurological problems, memory problems. It's real. So I don't think we should think of it like any other business because the entire business model is these guys' bodies and the consequence is their health and it's for the rest of their life. So if you're doing something that is generating a significant amount of money for a very short amount of time, I think you should get a lot of money for that if you're one of those people. The amount of money that is left over for the other people, the people that are making the money to put the money in, they should still get a lot of money, which is why they did it in the first place. But I don't think the balance is correct. Now I am biased, right? Because again, I'm not a businessman, but I have a deep empathy for people who put themselves in front of harm and try to chase that glory for our entertainment, for the sport that we love. And I think they should be compensated more. Yeah, I don't think you're... I mean, obviously we're biased because we love fighters and I was a fighter. It's not even about being biased. It's just... Fairness. It's fairness. It's fairness in the marketplace. Well, the thing is... It's such a dicey thing. I know people hate when I bring up fight or talk and I get sick of it too because I don't know what you can really do because... It's simple. Well, I go, is it though? Because here's the thing. People will go, okay, they made $7.7 billion. Here's their overhead. We don't know what's going on. But it's like, the UFC is the only, the only combat sports promotion to ever make money. Ever. Right. Nobody else has ever done it better or made profit. So my thing is, is this just what it is? I know some people are like, you're such an idiot. They have this leftover money. I hear you, but all I'm saying is there's PFL, Bellator, Affliction, World Series. We can go through the list. One championship. None of them are around somewhere on their last leg. No one's ever been able to sustain it. So all I'm saying, and I'm not saying we don't deserve more fucking money. All I'm saying is, is this just how it goes in the fight business? I don't know. I'm not a businessman. I know people are yelling right now, you're fucking it. I'm just saying, is fighting different where, hey man, that's just, it's not the NFL. It's not the NBA. It's not MLB. In order for us to continue this rise, this is what it is. It's 18% of the fighters. I don't know, Joe. That's what I'm saying. I don't know. Good points. First of all, let's just give the UFC its flowers because without, I love how the kids say that these days. Give flowers. Give flowers. Yeah. Good saying. Have your daughter started using buns yet? Oh yeah, they use that. Yeah. I just found my son's. Bad. Buns is bad. Yeah, I didn't know. I got to track my son's. I got to track my son's. But buns are always like cute buns. Yeah, I know. Check out them buns. Yeah, we're young Jamie. Young Jamie. But what were we saying? The UFC is the greatest organization in combat sports history, period. There's nothing even close. The product is so much better than any boxing promotion. And my friends that I've brought to the UFC that are boxing fans, like my friend Josh Dubin, he was like the fucking productions. Incredible. He goes, it's so much more exciting than any boxing event. It's so much better. That is 100% true. They've also been a consolidated organization forever. Right? I mean, it was a different owner. It was Bob Myrowitz back in the day in 97 when I worked for them. But from 2021 on, so for the last 25 fucking years, it's been Zufa, right? They sold Zufa. Now Zufa sold to Ari Emanuel and TKO. But the same people are running it, right? It's still Dana White. It's still all these people behind the scenes. That's another conversation. Yeah, it's still Annick. It's still me and DC and Michael Bisping and all the other people that are doing commentary and Dominic Cruz and Paul Felder and Laura Sanko. It's still, the team's the same. The team behind the scenes is the same. It's so polished. There's never a problem. When I show up at the UFC, everything's so smooth. You go in and say hi to everybody. I show my badge to the fucking security people. I say hi. We sit down. Everything is smooth. We're gonna hit in five minutes. Okay, great. Everybody's there. The sound guy's on point. The camera, everything is on point. It's so easy. Not even close. And it's like the production in the truck is so fucking good. They always have the right angle. Giordano's always on the case when it comes to getting the right angle for a submission or getting the right angle for... Replays. If I ask for something, I got it right away. Like I'll push the button. Let me hear his corner. Yeah. It's boom. They're right on it. They're the best. The best. And you notice that when you see other promotions. It's like the other promotions the camera works on is good. It's like... The machine is so good and it's become like the NFL. Like I know the XFL exists. I've never even fucking heard of a game. I've never even heard of a game. Name one player. Yeah. That one's even brought up a game that's gonna happen. Never. I know it's a thing. Never. And the problem with casuals, that's the same with the PFL. Even though the PFLs fucking got really good fighters. There's really good fighters in the PFL. Hard cry from the UFC. But yeah. Some of them are really good, man. That cat that just knocked out Henin Ferrar, the guy who's the heavyweight that is Fedor's protege. Oh yeah, the Russian cat. Ro. He's good. Bro. He's good. And the UFC's fucking shallow ass heavyweight division. We could use that. We could use them. I'd like to show up at that dude's hotel room in a fucking briefcase full of money. Like let's go dog. But yeah, my thing with the UFC and when you talk about the staff and you gotta give them their flowers, they're the only one that's figured it out. They're the best. They're the best organization by far. And they deserve to be rich because of that. They've made an incredible product. So do the fighters though. I think your product is entirely dependent on the fighters. Now this is my position with my comedy club. So my comedy club pays different than every comedy club. The fighters, the comedians make most of the money when it comes to the door. That's how it should be. I'm just joking. If it's too much, we're like, dude, get the fuck out of it. But is the mothership compared to the comedy store, the improv, are you guys crushing them? It's doing really well. I mean, the comedy store is always going to be one of the great clubs on earth. It's a legendary club. It's dependent upon who's there. The difference between the way the comedy store does it and the way we do it is that we bring in national headliners for the weekend. Like the weekend might be David Tell. This week is Tony Rock. Is there another club that does that? Yes. The comedy store is a little different because you have your regulars. Is there another club that does that? Sure. Most clubs do that for the weekends, but the thing is they don't have the same lineup for the weekdays. Yeah, I know. So the weekdays we've got Shane Gillis, Ron White, Tony Hinchcliffe, Kill Tony's there every Monday. It's a different setup. That's what I'm saying. Is there anybody doing that? Because the comics have to be... My whole point is, however you run your business, it's like, is the model where you're doing it where the comics are making the majority of the money, is that a sustainable business? 100%. 100%. It's money. If we take Joe Rogan out of it, and some dude wants to start a club and did the same thing, is that going to be profitable? No. You have to have the talent, but that's the difference. It's like the thing with the PFL versus the UFC. You have to have the talent, right? And the reason why our club works is because everything... Look, it's pure luck. It's pure luck. Everything had a lineup. We had to hit every green light. It had COVID had to happen. The comedy store had to get shut down. All the employees from the comedy store had to get fired. We had to not be able to do stand-up in LA. I had to be worried about my family and the crime and the riots. And then the COVID shit, where everyone was wearing a mask, I was like, this is bananas. And then moving to Texas or just visiting Texas. But you got to give yourself credit. Like luck, yes. But you were also the guy that had the idea to do it. Most people wouldn't pull that trigger. You didn't have to do that. That is true. It had a lot of luck because it had to happen at the right time. It had to happen at a time in my career where I had a lot of money. So it had to happen when the Spotify deal took place. So I had all this money. And then it all had a lineup where I was already the number one podcast in the world. So I could easily get people... Because of you, Joe. I understand. But it had the line... And you're a humble... No, no, no. It's just being honest. It had a lineup. So I couldn't have done it on my own. I had to come here and Ron White was already here. So Ron White's a big reason one of the club. I mean, he was one of the main reasons why I moved here. No, I know. Because it was like... Yeah. Even if I'd never do comedy again and I was really wondering if we were ever going to do comedy again, Ron's here. I'll hang out with Ron. We'll have laughs. Yeah. So when I moved here and then all of a sudden Tony moved here and then Tom Segura moved here and Brian Simpson moved here and Asan moved here and Derrick Poston moved here. And it was like, oh, shit, we got something cooking. And then Tim Dillon came here and then it was like, oh my God. And then Duncan Trussell moved here. I was like, holy shit. So they're moving because you're here. I understand. You're the mother ship. Right. But they had to do it before the mother ship even opened. Take a shot. Right? They all moved before the mother ship opened. Shane moved after the mother ship opened. But they all came in early and trusted me. Yes. And so I was like, okay, these guys, I owe them. They took a chance with their future. I have to throw everything into this and all together we'll do it. So it's our club. It's really our club. But it had to happen in a way where I had this disposable money. I had disposable income where I could do it and it wouldn't hurt me. And then I could set it up in a way where the comics make so much money. So that way you encourage people to stay. So there's so many people that are there all week long during the week. They don't have to go do shows other places. They can make money at their home club. You're doing it right. It's my example of like, can the UFC do that? Because my example for you, it's like, can these other comic clubs do that and sustain and grow and have money? They could in New York and they might be able to do it in LA. So I don't think you could do it in LA right now because the store is open and the store is always going to be the premier club in the world. It's always legendary. So it's on Sunset Strip. Even though LA has fallen apart, it's still the legendary destination for stand-up comedy. It's one of the main reasons why I was excited to move to LA. It was Mecca. It was when I was a beginner and an open-micor in 1988, they would talk about the store like it was Mecca, like you had to go to the store. They still do though. I don't think that's ever going away. Of course. It's, you know, the store comes and goes and cycles. It always does. It always goes and cycles depending on who's in town, who's there. It's a very, it's all comedy clubs are dependent upon what talent is in town during the weekdays. And if you don't bring in talent on the weekends, that's the difference. So the store doesn't bring in headliners for the weekend like the way our club does. I told Scott, Scott Shore, I was like, I think, no, no, it was Peter. Sorry. I told Peter Shore, I was like, I think you guys should do that. I think you should like bring in. But do they have to? Because you can still go on a Saturday night and you'll see, you know, big names. Yes, you will. But you could have those people there still as well. Like they could also do shows with that person and you have two other rooms. And that's what you guys do. You have the OR and you have the belly room. You have three rooms in one location. Like you could still have the OR filled with top talent because they don't give a fuck where they're performing in the big stage or the little stage. In fact, most of us prefer the little stage. The OR is an amazing room. But the thing is, it's like you have to have enough talent in town and a lot of people moved out of LA. A lot of people moved out of LA. Joey Diaz moved out of LA. Like a lot of people moved out of it. Theo moved out. A lot of people moved out. So the problem is you would have to have enough talent there and then you'd have to have talent that was there all the time like us. Like we're at the club all the time. I think going back to if the UFC could do this, like the profit is so much now, there's no reason to. I understand. That's the other issue. This is the problem. This is rational. You want to hear my idea? Yeah. And you might be like, you're out of your fucking mind. Okay. And again, I'm not anti-UF, nothing. You cut my fucking wrist right now. The double Riley spells out. I fucking believe the UFC. It made my entire career. When that paramount deal was announced, and now I'm a wild boy, when that paramount deal was announced, what I would have done is, and this is the issue why things will never change. I would have talked to all the managers, all the fighters, and said we're not fighting another fight. They sign a huge deal, 7.7 million. If you guys want to get your equal share, nobody's agreeing to a fight bout, to a fight card unless we get, I don't know, someone's gonna figure out 30%. So it's 18% right now. If we go up 30%, which they're still gonna have profit, if they agree to that, then we'll fight. But there's no deal if we don't fight. Those days are over now, so you miss the mark. Now you're gonna say, yeah, but they can get other guys to do that. And I'm saying across the board, we all agree as fighters, we're not gonna fucking move an inch. If you can get fighters to agree to that, it would work. That's the problem. It will never happen. Not in a million years. That was my idea. Then here's the other thought. The Dana White has this thought about fighters that when they get paid too much and they get rich, their careers end earlier. But, Arman Sarukyan. And he's right. And he's right. Well, there's Arman, who's Bruce Wayne, but for the most part, he's right. Go through anybody's career. He's kind of right, he's kind of right, but it doesn't matter. Look at Conor. That's on them. Yeah, agree. That's on them. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I mean, he's right, but you can't protect them for it unless you have a bonus that you're gonna pay them out when they retire, and they're not gonna do that. But the other thing, I think Sean Shelby said this, might've been McMahon, one of them, was like, the other shoe we have is when guys get paid a lot and then we offer them fights, we're not gonna fight who we wanna make. Once they have that goose egg, they're like, I'm not fighting that fucking guy. He gets a nightmare. I know. But again, you can't base it off of that, because I'm sure there's some guys who will do it. And you fuck with them. But it's not reason not to pay him. Listen, all this is hippie talk, but I feel like if I owned the UFC, I would not feel good if people didn't feel compensated correctly. This is just my feeling. And I'm not a good businessman. If you wanna be a good businessman, you gotta make the most money possible. I don't know, Joe. You've done pretty fucking well, Bubba. Lot of luck. Lot of luck. You're saying luck, you're driving me nuts. No, but it is. You're driving me nuts, too. You work harder than anybody else. Well, I work harder than I know. When I listen, I stick with things and I have a good work ethic. That is true. But- That's half the battle, Bubba. Yeah, but I'm not like a businessman in the sense of like, if I was running a business like that, I wouldn't treat it the same way. I wouldn't say I'm trying to make the most money possible. I would say I got money. And let's just make this motherfucker the greatest thing of all time and make everybody feel good about it. Yeah, but again, I don't know the in and out. I don't know if you can run an organization like that and be a profit. I don't know. Well, it'd be profitable, but it wouldn't be as profitable. And that's the thing when you have shareholders. So when you have shareholders, you have an obligation to your shareholders to maximize your profits. And this is the only knock on the UCI have is in order to get that $7.7 billion deal, you have to put on whatever it is, 45 fight cards a year. Right. So like those fight nights. So now you don't really have the talent or the stars to fulfill those cards, but because you made this deal with Paramount, now you're getting just, you're signing these contenders series kids who have three fights, four fights, where 10 years ago those boys ain't sniffing the UFC. It was so hard to get in, but now because we have to fulfill those cards, you're getting a lower level of talent. Yeah, well, here's what's interesting. So one of the players in the purchasing of the UFC, of the rights of the UFC was Netflix. They were one of the players. They were one of the people that were thinking about doing it. So there was negotiations with them, there was negotiations with ESPN, and ultimately Paramount was like this wild, dark horse that came around with the big money. And I like Paramount. I have no issues, yeah. Look, I love- The ads are weird, but whatever. I love Mobland. I love Landman. Oh, Landman. Yeah, Mobland is fucking great. Ever watch that? Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. Is this Audi? Is R6 in that? Dude, it makes you want so bad. Me too. I started convincing my head to get one. I never wanted to wagon until I saw Tom Hardy drive. They're so sick. It's a great show. But Paramount has awesome shows. So it makes sense. I already had it. Great, perfect. I love the fact there's no pay-per-view. But what's interesting about Netflix not doing it, because I think Netflix didn't want the, I might be talking out of school, but I'll just say it. I believe what I heard, here's the caveat, is that Netflix did not want the small fights. They did not want fight nights. Good for them. They only wanted the big ones. They're like, get that shit out of here. Well, some of the fight nights are fucking awesome. We like them, because we're degenerate. The public's like, who the fuck are these guys? And the Apex is no one there. Yeah, I love that Netflix. What take these? I love the Apex fights. I've been planning on going to an Apex fight card. I'm trying to find the right one just to go and watch. I just want to fuck. Yeah, let's fucking go. I would love that. I just might go to watch, because they'll let you in if you come with me. Yeah. I love it. Oh, here, I kind of stood by the fact they didn't want the volume. That's it, that's how they say it, which we understood from the get go. Ted Serrando, so I love. Bella Bajaria, I don't know. We're very upfront with that. We're looking for big events. So the fact that you could give us one pay per view, which is just, we were just going to put on the platform for free, as long as you're a subscriber, as long as you just give us that, we're in, we'll pay premium for it, but we don't want to carry the other 30 fight nights. So we don't want to bullshit. Yeah. But here's the thing. But then where would those 30 fight nights go? That's the question. But then that fulfills. Fight night. PFL, Bellator, or you. Fight pass. Yeah, fight pass. Fight pass. You could do that. But to, again, the business side of it, the Zufa, or TKO's going, well, hold on. The reason we get such a big nut, some 0.7 billion, because we offer so much content. You guys are trying to do what our game plan was 15 years ago, which are just one big fight every once a month, which for the fans is fucking awesome. It makes sense for Zufa, and it makes sense for Netflix. I get it. All of it makes sense. It just wasn't a fit. But what I was getting at is now it's interesting because Netflix has got a lot of money. Netflix throws some money around, right? And Netflix has a tremendous amount of subscribers. And now Netflix is in the MMA game. I'm glad you brought that up. Anybody talk about it? Keep going. Us, dorks like you and me? Keep going. No, no one in the real world is talking about it to me. But that's OK. The point is, they're going to do it. And just because it's on Netflix, I guarantee you millions of people will watch it. I bet they'll have a hard time selling live tickets. Let's see if it's sold out. It's definitely not. And the tickets are $88. But this is where it gets tricky, because the more places fighters have to go, the better. Because UFC has no competition. It's a monopoly. All good, which NFL is, NBA has. I have no issues with that. So if big-name fighters have a place to go and can get paid, I'm all for it. The issue with this Netflix and getting MMA, it's like, my thing would be, well, what's the plan here? So Ronda and Gina fight this week. And you get two four-year-olds fighting the main event. It's going to get good numbers. But again, and you know this, you've been in business with Netflix. They're not going to give you the real numbers, right? When you negotiate, they don't give you the real numbers. No, they don't tell you shit. They don't tell you. They say, you did great. They don't tell you. But then all of a sudden, Jake Paul did 400 million people. I'm like, really? Did he? So they're going to say. Well, Jake Paul can say that, right? Did Netflix say that? Netflix said this. No, Netflix made like 400 million people watch it. Some bullshit like that. Some bullshit. How many people have Netflix? I don't think they have that many. I made up a crazy number, but it's a ton of people. That last article said that they have over 300 million so 100 million people were hiring in it. So it's a 100 million. Yeah, yeah. So it's a 100 million. But so, and right now, you know, and I get Rhonda's being a promoter. She learned from Dana. She's like, we're going to destroy the White House. I disagree. I don't think it does. But Netflix will tell you they did. Well, here's the thing. Even if it gets really good numbers, Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua draw 33 million viewers on Netflix. That's really good. That's really good. I don't know what the Sean Strickland, Hamzach, Mayev numbers were. They might not have been 33 million. Maybe they were. I don't know. The thing about it being Paramount, Paramount does not have the number of subscribers that Netflix has. How many subscribers? I'm guessing. I might be wrong. I think they have like 60 million, right? How many subscribers does Paramount plus have? But this is what you're not taking consideration. Paramount and the UFC, it's only in America. So in Canada and other, like Paramount in Europe, it's not a thing. So what are those views now? Right. You know, like when we're adding all this up. Can they get Paramount in other countries? I don't think the Paramount's in Europe and shit like that. They're watching on like Sky Sports, I think, out there. They have a different deal. Oh, interesting. And then Australia, I think, still has pay per view. Interesting. Yeah. I think you're right. I think you're right. OK, 79 million subscribers. So that's a big difference between, it says globally. Yeah, half of them are in the US. 35 million are in the US. Are there any countries where Paramount is not in? Let's put that into the. Yeah, but I still think that UFC deal was just for the US. Yeah, it's just for US. Just for US. Yeah. Because UK is Sky Sports. So that means there's only 35 million people that it's reaching, period. So they'll never get to the Jake Paul number. The Jake Paul number of the Anthony Joshua fight, that's an accurate number, 33 million. They're never going to get to that. But remember, the White House is also on CBS. That's different. How many people on CBS? How many people are watching regular TV? That's wild. Maybe they might 30 more views? Oh, my dad's crunk. My dad's crunk. That's just on Channel 4 in Denver, Colorado. You eat your rabbit ears. Pick it up. They still have regular TV, man. Regular TV is crazy. Crazy. Like some people have to fucking move the antenna. Their signal's coming in bad. Crazy. There's people out there with regular TV. Yeah, hell yeah. That's wild, where they only have the four channels. That's crazy. And they're just getting their news from like fucking, you know, robots. They don't even get Fox. Fox is cable. That's right. Yeah. Regular TV, you ain't getting jack shit. They can swear on Fox. Can they? I believe so. Because it's not on cable. I think you're allowed to swear. I don't know. I think so. Yeah, but I don't think Fox is. Well, there's a broadcast version of Fox, though. Right. But is it regulated? I don't know if it's broadcasted. That's the whole regular cable. But Fox's still right. But broadcasted. But Fox's still right. But broadcast and cable. So what do you mean by there's a broadcast version? So there's a version. And I'll do it over the air. What's available through the air? That's what the FCC is. So the broadcast version meaning that you could just get it with a regular antenna? Yeah, there's like a local Fox. Oh, OK. OK, you're right. You're right. You're right. OK. It came way later. That's right. I'm so old. I remember when Fox was just cable. Channel 31. I remember we wanted it for the Simpsons and maybe with children. Simpsons too. Maybe it was broadcast back then. Maybe I'm wrong. I think I am. It was hard to get. It wasn't the strongest of signals in most places. OK, but it was always broadcast. OK. Mine have fucking times changed now because there's like, you talk about Mobland. There's so many dope shows. There's so many good shows out there. But it's like hot for like a week. And then something else comes. There's too many things. There's too much. Like there would never be like Game of Thrones or Sopranos where it's like the entire world shuts down. We all just kind of binge it when we want. True. And there's a new show here. It's not good, man. True. That's fact. That's fact. Try selling a show right now. Like that I was talking about my Gearheads Gone Wild on Tubi. Tubi has fucking, I think, 300 million subscribers. They're big. But trying to sell a show. That's 300 million subscribers on Tubi. Tubi's fucking massive. I didn't know either. I didn't know either. When I first got the offer, I'm like, where? But again, trying to sell a show is fucking tough. A car show? Tough, dude. I didn't know Tubi had that many subscribers. Look that up to make sure I've been so exaggerating this episode. They surpassed 100 million monthly active users. But down to this. How many subscribers do they have in total? In total. I know the numbers alarming. Is it a subscriber thing? Or is it like a YouTube thing? We could just like view it. I would imagine it's tiered. It says a free ad supported streaming service rather than subscription based model. It's free, but they have subscribed. And then you can get the non ad paid where you pay, I think. Oh, OK. So if you can just get it for free. Yeah, like YouTube. YouTube, Reddit, and Reddit. YouTube is probably the biggest. Well, they probably have the most active viewers worldwide. Not even close. Remember they tried doing shows and it just ate shit? Like YouTube, Reddit. Remember YouTube, Reddit? They're like making offers. I remember YouTube, Reddit. That is crazy. It's interesting because just a regular show on YouTube can do really well, like Mr. Beast. Yeah, but I think YouTube, Reddit was like kind of a little before that, right? And they're like, put your shows on here. They jumped the gun. Yeah, they jumped the gun. Mr. Beast was like, or I'll just put my shit out and everybody in the world will watch it. The thing about if you put your shit on YouTube, there's literally an infinite number of options and channels. That's the thing. And it's completely dependent on what you see. Like the recommended for you is completely what you're interested in. Everything's niche now. It's like there's people out there, we don't even know. And my kids are like, daddy has 60 million subscribers. I'm like, what the fuck? I never heard of this fucking guy. I know. You know how much money he's making? Yeah. It's all niche. Please niche. There's that, but then there's also astroturfing. There's a lot of these. Astroturfing is when you have fake downloads, fake views. You have companies that you can hire, and they will get you views. But here's the thing. That's going to fuck you. It'll fuck you. But the point is people still do it. And they do it because you can do it right now. And so what that means is, say if you have millions and millions of subscribers, and then you look at the views. The views are hundreds of thousands of views. Then you look at the comments, like fucking five comments. Six comments? Like what the fuck is going on here? But it's a weird thing to do because in order to make money, YouTube sees the back end. So if you're trying to make money off your show, you're not going to make money. But it'll get bigger because of the number. So here's the thing. So if you go to like brennanchob.com, if you did that, if you have brennanchob's YouTube channel, and I looked at it, and I'm like, damn, he's got 25 million subscribers? Well, I should fucking subscribe. People do that. They'll click on it. And they'll click on your views or your videos more often. Because they think they're like missing out. Like clear this guy to a sub. Of course. It definitely, I'm not saying that's responsible for all the views that you'll get because of that. But it has an impact on how people see you. You look more legitimate. And if you're trying to develop sponsor deals or some sort of a brand endorsement deal, you're like, well, I've got 20 million subscribers on YouTube. Like, oh, this guy's big. This guy's big. Yeah, it definitely does. But then they're like, there's three comments. Well, there was scammers that were doing weird stuff in the early days of podcasts where they would rig things to exaggerate downloads back in the early days of audio. Oh, buddy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And then someone came and regulated it. Exactly. But it's not like we were all in on it. No, no, no. It was someone who was running because we're all using the same audio thing. And I remember telling Brian, I'm like, do we have 30 million fucking audio? 30 million dude this month. And then Tom's like, yeah, I got 60. I'm like, dude, we're crushing it. And then someone came in and was like, actually. Yeah. What it was doing was every time someone clicked on it, it would count. So I'm talking completely on my ass. If they started and stopped it, right? It counted. It would count it over and over again as multiple listens. That's right. And I think they do that with other things, too. So you have to figure out who the actual number of people. But people have been accused of making, you could pay to get Instagram accounts. You can get followers. There's companies that will get you followers. I don't know if it's legit or legal, but I know for a fact that some people have done that. But doesn't Instagram and the background, doesn't YouTube? Don't they try to shut that shit down? They definitely do. Millions of bots over the weekend. 100%. And I notice it sometimes. I'll notice it while I lose like 100,000. Yeah, I lost 100,000. Yeah. There are bots. 100%. And there's a ton of them, and they catch some of them. But some of them are more sophisticated in their approach. And then they adjust. So once they realize what gets them caught, you can run an AI program. So if you run an AI program and you have a, like if you're in fucking Singapore or wherever you're at doing this, you could run an AI program that controls a bunch of different cell phones that has a bunch of different accounts. And you can have them even commenting on things. And you'll notice this sometimes. And they'll be programmed to comment positive or negative. And it seems like a fucking person, man. But you'll see that there's like a bunch of numbers after a couple of letters or a name like Bob, 5, 6, 7, 2, 5, 4. And then you see like, god, I don't think Bob's a person. And then you go to Bob's account, and you're like, there's almost no chance that Bob's a person. I mean, why Bob's posting all the time and making comments on things all the time. And most likely what this is is it's paid engagement. So it's not just paid views, but because of AI and because of programs you could run, there's the potential for paid engagement. Dialogue back and forth. Me and Shabab are talking about before. You guys here, I don't know that you're aware of this, Joe. The streamers paying for the next level of what you're describing. So it's not AI doing it. Have you heard of Clippers? Yes. They're paying for, there's thousands of people that are just sitting around at home making a shitload of money. A ton of money. And they're posting. Because you'll think certain people are bigger than they are. Like, man, I see them everywhere. It's like, that's all by design. And you can pay for that too. So that's probably legal, right? So, no? I mean, no. Why would it, should it be? Right. I mean, it all depends on what are you doing. Are you getting money from it? Are you getting advertising revenue from it? To your point, it's a false sense of fame. Because to your point with Armand, it's like, yeah, we know him and he's getting views online. But does that equal actual fans? I think it reinforces the fans that already love him. And a few people are going to hop on board. But as far as your general casual that will tune in for a UFC fight card, no. Not necessarily. But it's also a younger demo, right? Like, have you watched a stream? No. You're older than me. No. Never watched a stream. No, I had to talk with a streaming company the other day. I'm like, do what? Wait, wait, you want me to seven days a week turn on the camera and ear my breakfast and shit? Like hanging out with my family? Well, the streaming thing is nuts. Where people just live online. First of all, how bad is that for your back? And you're ranting and raving and talking online all day. Can't be good. But then like, we love Rampage. Rampage does it, making stupid money. Yeah, but it's a good move for Rampage. He's not fighting anymore. It's a good move. Makes sense. And he's got the Jackson podcast. That's doing well. It's good for him to diversify, do a bunch of different things. He's crushing other. And he's also got a great personality. So he's perfect for it. Perfect for that. But some people, you know, it ain't that thing. Shouldn't be doing that. But streaming is like the biggest thing, yeah, Jamie? I get me saying, hold this. Fuck, but I don't. We're old. It's the only thing that's live. You know, it's also, it's like, what are you doing with your life? I got things to do. I get to sit in front of the camera for five hours a day. I don't understand how anybody does it. But also, is it data retaining? Like, my life's not fucking lit 24 hours a day. They talk a lot of shit on camera, and then they watch a bunch of things and react to things. There's a lot of that. Like, for a lot of them, like, for our channel, there was a lot of people that were making a living just going on Twitch and these other channels, these other streaming things. Streaming my show and commenting on it. Like reaction videos. Yeah, getting mad about things we said and doing stuff. But they were doing it through the, they were playing the whole show out. Oh, that's illegal. Well, it was very shady. It was very weird because they were commenting on it. But it was like your entire content was based on my content and your reaction to my content. But, you know, it's weird. You know, you're dunking on me or you're pumping me up or whatever you're doing. There was a lot of that going on. And so then there's a lot of people that are watching, whether it's Mr. B's show and commenting on that or other shows are coming on that. So they're watching stuff online. Someone will send them a video of a guy getting in a street fight, the comment on that. Yeah. And then they're interacting with all these people that are in the comments. And they're making money off of it. Yeah. And they're talking to these people that are in the comments. It's like, first of all, if you think that social media is bad for your mental health. Oh, my God. Dude, yesterday I was driving down. I dropped my kids off and I was going somewhere. I was going to this car shop. My truck's in the shop. And I was driving my father-in-law's car. And I see a high school bus. Lake Travis High School. I live right by Lake Travis. I see Lake Travis High School bus pull up. I just look over every single kid. On their phone. Not talking to each other. Not saying it bummed me out so fucking bad. I know. You know the fun we used to have on that bus? I know. And no one's talking to each other. I know. The bus is silent. I'm like, God, you guys are doing it wrong. Well, it's not just to do it wrong. I want to jump on that bus. Listen, I know I'm the old dude. You guys are fucking up right now. Well, you're right. But it is also where human beings are headed. We're headed into this weird world of the digital world. And this is the first steps. These are the first steps we're taking by staring into a phone all day. But we know it's not good. Oh, yeah. No, it's not good. So we're just going to continue down the shit road? You don't think there's anything we can do? Nope. Nope. People are addicted. They're 100% addicted to their phone. I don't see anything changing. I think if anything, it's going to get more invasive. And then it's probably, I mean, who knows, just guessing what the next technology is going to be. But as this technology moves forward, it's going to get more invasive. It's going to get more, you're going to interact with more people through whatever the fuck it is. However they're going to do it, whether it's going to be some new tech that lets you communicate with people, with a headset, and you're reading each other's minds, or whether you're hanging out together in augmented reality and virtual reality. And you don't think anybody's like, man, we're head down it. They're not going to. No one's going to. They're going to keep doing it. Is this too much money? No. Everyone's addicted. And everyone uses it for too many things. It's also a primary source of news and information. I get all my ideas about how the world is working from social media. Not social media commentary, but social media stories. Well, some of them post, this is going on in Iran. This is going on here. I get it off social media. I get it off of X. But you have to pick and choose in what you pay attention to, right? Yes, dicey. And you've got to find people that are not full of shit and not click engagement. Because there's a lot of click. A lot of just click bait bullshit. The majority is. Yeah, there's a lot of that. But you also find breaking news. And you also find things that you wouldn't know about, like certain stories and certain things that are happening in the news, and certain really crazy stories that are like, how am I not hearing about this? This should be fucking huge. But you don't think it's going to be like, and I know we have to use it. You don't think it's going to be kind of like cigarettes, the 60s where everyone was doing it. And then eventually the parents of those kids, I'm sorry, the children of those parents go, what the fuck? This is so bad for you? If it was a substance, I would agree. But it's addictive. It is addictive. But the problem is it's all facets of your life. It is your calendar. It is your email. It is how you take pictures and all your memories. It is how you interact with a lot of people. There's a lot of people. I don't even have their phone numbers. They DM me. And I DM them. I have friendships with people that are just DM. So there's that. But that's basically the problem, is that it's a giant part of the world now, where cigarettes never really were. Where we're lying on it. Yeah, there was a bunch of people who did and smoked. Even when people smoked cigarettes, like let's look this up. Throw this into perplexity, young Jamie, please. During the height of smoking in the United States, what percentage of adults smoked? Let's guess. God, back in the day. Back in the day, whenever it was the nuttiest, like in the 50s or whatever, we think it was 50%? That'd be high, right? Crazy high. 30%? Crazy high. I was thinking like 33. But it might be higher. Cause those old days, man, everybody had a cigarette in their hand. Johnny Carson show. Everyone. Yeah. People walking on the streets, smoke on planes, smoke on buses, smoke on trains. Everybody was walking on the streets smoking. But what percentage of those people were doing it? Okay. 40 to 45. Wow. In the mid 1960s, the height of cigarette use in the US, roughly 40 to 45% of adults smoked, which works out to the order of 80 to 90 million adults. Wow. That's a shit. That's incredible. That's incredible. American Lung Association summary notes that adult smoking has fallen to around, from around 40 to 43% in 1965 to about 11 to 12% in 2022. I think it's back. I think people are smoking again. Really? I feel like it's lower. I think people are smoking. I see it a lot now. Just outlawed it in San Francisco. Outside. That's hilarious. That's gay. That's San Francisco. That's gay. That makes sense. San Francisco train. Will you hear what they're doing in the UK? If you were born before or after a certain date, you can't buy cigarettes when you turn 21. Just to stop people from. Exactly. People that were born in whatever year, whatever year they set it at, when they turn 21, they will not be able to buy cigarettes. Just trying to eliminate cigarettes. But you'll be able to buy cigarettes because you're born at a different time. They say, oh, you're retarded. You don't know any better. You can buy cigarettes. So stupid. It's communism. It's socialism. Didn't they just run out the fucking, were they prime minister or the fuck they come? He's still there. I thought they ran him out to bring somebody else in. They probably want to. They want to. Yeah, but the point is it's like that kind of woke socialism. It's the government telling you what to do. When I say communism, I don't mean like they take all your money, because they'll definitely do that eventually too. But what they do is they tell you what you can say. They tell you what you can do. They tell you what medications you have to take. It's all socialized medicine. They tell you what to do and what to say and how to think. And they're gonna protect you. Protecting someone from cigarettes while you're selling them alcohol is fucking banana soda. It's bananas. It's dumb. But England's lost their way, man. They've lost their way. identity is a fucking shit show. Well, they're arresting people like crazy for posting on social media about the immigration crisis. Primarily, also other things, but criticizing the government. And now they threw away jury trials for those things. So now it's a judge. And so you don't even get people like you, your peers, to sit there and go, no, this fucking guy shouldn't go to jail. His daughter got attacked by some immigrants and he said some wild shit about immigrants. And no, he shouldn't be in jail for that. But what's the agenda? Just to ruin, just ruin the fucking control. So shrink you down to 15 minute cities. They're implementing that in part of the UK. The other thing is a digital credit system. Right? So a digital credit school, a social score and some sort of centralized digital currency, which I think we're probably, they're probably gonna try to move us all into eventually. But if they can attach your social credit score with this digital currency, then you have what they have in China. So in China, if you fuck up and you do something stupid, guess what, fuck face, you can't buy a plane ticket. That's wild. Yeah, you can't get a loan. Can't get a loan for a house. And it keeps people in line. And then the government can do its job without protests. Dude, can I piss real quick? Let's piss. I've got two fucking energy drinks. We'll be right back, folks. Ah, so much better. I know, it's hard to concentrate when you have to piss. Bro, you were talking, I was like, ah man, I'm gonna have to piss my pants. What were we talking about? What's talking about your show? So, we have cigar brother? Yeah, dude, last time I smoked it backwards, I got roasted so hard online. I know, I didn't notice. I didn't notice, but maybe I just smoke them backwards from now on. Switch it up. It is funny though. But it's really the same. It's just where the label is. Yeah, man. What are these? I'm a rebel. Smoke it backwards. You are a rebel. There you go, I'm feeling it. Thanks, brother. Here's the clipper. You know how this works. Yeah, thanks. Make sure you clip the right spot. That one, there you go. Yeah. This cigar is different because it's not a torpedo, like the other one. So the other one, you can get more confused because both ends were pointy. Do you know how to do that? Yeah. Do you need help? Dude, you know how many cigars I smoked? Only in here. Oh, you light it. That's right. So your show is on 2B. 2B, hey, so light this part, right? Well, no, but this part. Yeah, light that part. It's fucking, dude, it's tricky, right? No, no, light just retarded. Yeah, light the part that you didn't cut. Yeah. What is it called? What's your show called? Gary Head's Gone Wild. Oh, that's right. Just like Girls Gone Wild. Same tax and everything. Is that a problem? No, hell no. That guy's, I think in fucking on the lamb in Mexico, I think we're good. Is he really? Is he hiding? Yeah, I think so. Either way, we're good. Didn't he get like kidnapped and they fucking he saw the line? He had some dicey shit. Yeah, yeah. Turned out pretty sad for him. Yeah, it's a card. It's shit we would be doing anyways, you know? And then they wanted to make a TV show out of it. So like I went to Calvo, Calvo Vipers. He's given the shit out of me. Calvo Vipers, I went to the biggest Porsche collection in Austin. I'm obsessed with Safari Porsches, man. Oh, you like those? God, I can't get up. Those off-road ones? I think Russell makes them. Russell, I forget the exact name, but Russell does. I don't know what the fuck it is. When it's an off-road, like that vibe, I don't know what it is, dude. I fucking love them, man. Why do you love off-road ones? I don't know. Is there a dirt track where you could take a Porsche off-road car to? Oh, I'm sure. Where? Especially in California, like Johnson Valley and all that shit. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But out here, there's place out here people have been hitting me up about. Right, but when you take, when you go off-roading, generally you're going off-roading with a truck where you can bounce over rocks and shit. You can't really do that in off-road Porsche. That's like more for those crazy mountain roads that are in the dirt. Yeah, that's a jacar, right? Russell built Fab. Ooh, that's dope looking. Dude, some dad had one at the baseball game. That's a 993? Yeah. Oh, wow. So they took a 993 and ooh, that's pretty. That's my favorite thing in the world. I don't know why. Look at the wheel wells. That's crazy. Wow. I think daily driver too, don't have to worry about. You know what, I have a fucking problem with those extra front headlights. They stick on the hood. I do not like them. I think it fucks up the lines of the car. Agreed, because you could put those on that front there. Just take them off. On the bumper. Or take them off at night in the dark. Shut the fuck up, bitch. You ain't really off-road. I mean, you're off-roading, but you're not in the woods. Oh, Joe, don't get twisted. At nighttime. Like all my trucks, I have that Ram 2500 AEV. That thing's never seen the dirt. Right, but that's different. That's a truck. That looks fine with the extra lights on it. Yeah, but still. A Porsche? I agree. I think it's like, whenever I see those old 911s, like the 1972s, and they have those extra headlights on the hood, I'm like, ew. What are you doing? You're ruining the lines of one of those beautiful creations. You got bats in a fake tits. You're like, what are you doing? No, it's like extra fake tits. It's like you've got two fake tits on your fucking, yeah. Yeah. You got some fucking collarbone tits. Like get those out of there. They don't belong there. More is not always better. And the shape of a Porsche, especially those long nose Porsches, oh, it's so beautiful. When you have dumb ass fucking headlights on the hood, like get that. It's just not meant to be. Yeah. Get out of here. Yeah, I like different shit. I don't agree with those headlights who fuck up the lines, but like the other thing I'm really, I'm just into different shit. Like I like when they swap the LS's in the Porsches too. Oh yeah, that's dope. Yeah, just the sound. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, that chop. Yeah. I don't know. You shit like that, man. I like those. A lot of people think that's heretics. That's like, oh my God, you should go to jail for that. Oh dude, I brought a. Water cooled LS engine in a Porsche. This guy's like, he's the head guy for Porsche driving. He's driving me around. And I go, man, you ever driven one of those LS Porsches? And he was like, what the fuck did I say? And I'm like, you don't get down those? He's like, fuck no. I'm like, yeah, those are gay. They're so gay. No, they're awesome. Yeah, I just like different shit, man. Yeah, Rutledge Wood had one of those. He had one of those. What's the fucking Japanese cat that does the Y bodies? Oh, I know you're talking about. I saw. RWB. Yes. He had one of those with an LS in it. It's pretty sick. And there's companies that do that. Yeah, they're sick. And it sounds incredible. It sounds like an American muscle car, but yet it's in a car that's like 2000 pounds. Dude, and all I do is search Facebook Marketplace for RS SWAT Porsches. You can get some good deals because no one really wants them. Isn't that crazy? Because everybody wants the air cooled. Because the air cooled has that raspy. Brrr. They are the best. It's a wild sound. That air cooled sound is a wild sound. As I'm getting older too, it's like, I've had trucks with 14 hundred horsepower. I've had cars with 11 hundred horsepower. And then if you just get an old school Porsche air cooled with 250 horsepower manual. It's all you need, dude. They're so fun. As you get older, like, why am I chasing this fucking horsepower? Yeah, because it's just about driving enjoyment. It's not about, you're not racing it. No. You know, you're not on a track. Oh dude, I knew I had issues when I was driving my kid to his fucking baseball game. And my car was running hot. My TRX, the 1400 horsepower was running hot. I converted to twin turbo, a Hellcat engine. It's like 1400, it's running on E85 fuel. There's no E85 out there. I'm in the middle of fucking like dripping springs. I had to pull over on the side of the road because the engine was smoking. I just went, what the fuck am I doing, man? Who am I doing this for? It's not like I'm taking it to the track. Who am I doing this for? Well, a Hennessy has a thousand and you can drive it everywhere. Yeah, that's probably the way to do it. Hennessy TRX or a Hennessy Raptor. I almost bought one of those. And then I got that AV Ram and I linked up with diesel R and we're doing a Randy's transmission. I got this freaking stealth bigger turbo on there. Fast fuel system. No, bro. Let me get my pants off. Yeah, I don't know if you're into that stuff. But I'm picking it up today. It's finally done, dude. Ooh, that sounds fun. Oh, dude, I can't fucking wait. That sounds fun. Yeah, so the idea is you just drive it around, go into different places, having people do different things with cars. Yeah, like- Check out what people are doing, different mods they're doing. Yeah, and it's like that old school, like car shows that we grew up on. Like you know, throw up facts about Porsches or about the car, it just pop up with that stuff. And that's like our boys. Like Gordon Ryan was on there with his TRX. He has like 120,000 miles on it. That's it, really? Dude, that thing so busted up, but he just drives it every day. He off-roads it. He just, we go on his car and I'm like, dude, I said, you know, Gordon, I'm gonna tell you the same thing I tell everybody when I get in the car with him. I know this is for TV, I don't need you to show off. Nobody's trying to get hurt. He's like, I got you, man. And was just fucking ripping this thing, dude. I'm like, I flipped one of these things, man. It ain't fun, bud. It ain't fun. But it's, yeah, just shit we like, you know? And then someone was like, you wanna do a TV show with him? I'm like, yeah, let's ride, man. It's interesting how much that's a male thing. There are women that are into cars, but I don't know any women. I mean, I'm sure they're out there, but I don't know any women that are into cars the way we're into cars. No. No. Some of them, some of them like cars. They're into some, but like for me, it's like that is one of the one things about having some money that is worth it. Like I always tell people, having a nice house is great. It is great. There's definitely nothing wrong with having a nice house, but after a while, it just becomes your house. Yes. And if you're in a humble house that has a nice kitchen, a big TV and a couch and a nice bed to sleep on, you're sad. You're kinda sad? Yeah. Like the difference in the way you feel when you're home versus a nice house is not much different. Okay. The difference in driving a nice car is like you are taking a ride to work. You are at Disneyland. Yes. You would wait in line to get in that car. And you're boom, boom, and you're fucking shifting your own gears and boom, boom, boom. Woo, it's fun. And the shit you have, dude. I lived through you, because you know, obviously we're in different tax brackets. You know, I gotta do my thing on Facebook Marketplace and shit. I picked up, it tires the other day, he goes, holy shit, Brenton Shaw, it's tires on Facebook Marketplace. He goes, yeah dude, who doesn't want to fucking deal, man, put those in the back for me, dude. But yeah, you got one of those por, I think it's your Gunther Porsche. Yes. And you took a picture and you're like, dude, I'll just sit in my garage and stare at it. I'm like, dude, I've never. I do, I stare at it sometimes. Sit in the garage and look at it. Oh, it's a fucking piece of art, man. Yeah, all carbon fiber. Yeah, dude, when I see that type of Porsche, like the Gunther work, or I'll see a certain car, I'm just like, I can't even describe the, it's like, fuck dude, that is so sick. Yeah, do you see the Gunther works made a twin turbo slant nose? I sent it to you. Peter Nam sent it to me too. Bro. The owner of the company sent it to me. Oh, you know him? Yeah. Well, I bought it off him. I bought one off him. Not that, not the slant nose. I didn't know if you're dealing with like customer service, I used it. No, no, I deal with Peter, he's awesome, but that's it. That car is insane. They raced that one against a GT3 RS and it buried it. Buried it. No. GT3 RS, buried it. Yeah. They did some rolling race like from 30 miles an hour and literally it just shot ahead like the other car was parked. 1067 horsepower? It's nothing. It weighs nothing. What does it weigh? Please search what does the new, the slant nose Gunther works weigh. Because they're carbon fiber. 100%. They're carbon fiber. 2000 something. Yeah. Yeah, I bet it's about 2,400 pounds. 2,700. 2,700. So it's close. But the engine's probably super heavy. Well, I don't know if it's super heavy, but there's a lot of jazz in there. But what engine is it? I think it's a. 4.0 liter twin turbo, flat six. Yeah, and it's air cooled, which is so nuts. 1,000 horsepower, flat six air cooled engine is crazy. Brother and people, everyone like you talked to anyone like I want 1,000 horsepower. You think you want 1,000 horsepower. Now it's not like your ZRX, ZR1X. It's not like that. Like if you buy it or like at my Demon 170. If you get it from the factory. From the factory, you're good. When you have a TRX or your Corvette or you know, I've had other trucks, my Ford Lightning, if you're reaching 1,000 horsepower, buddy, you think you want those problems, you do not. It's a fucking nightmare. And then also. Every week. I was in the shop calling buddy doing something. I'm like, this is exhausting. Well, this won't be like that. Like the Guntherworks ones are reliable. I've never had a car like mine. No, those are great. But the question is, does that have any traction control? Hopefully not. Like, Jamie, could you please look up whether or not these new Guntherworks Porsches have traction control? I don't know how they can do that now. I know there's like a computer thing that you could buy. Is Gunther's in California? Where are they at? I believe so. Yeah. 99% sure they were in California. Dude, if you should connect with him because I'd love to do an episode with him. A wooden shift knob pays tribute to the Porsches Motorsport Carriage. Modern electronics like motorsports grade, ABS, and traction control. Oh, okay. Well, that's good. It's nice that it has ABS too. That's dope. That's really dope. You're going, yeah. Fuck yeah, you're gonna need it. But see if you can find the race between the GT3 RS and the Slantnose. Bro, it is hilarious. That's crazy. And the sound it makes is orgasmic. I can't imagine how much that thing is. Wonderful. Oh, it's gotta be a million dollars. Yeah. Here's my problem with Porsche. It is even 20 years ago. My very first car I bought when I had money, I got it from podcast. I says 15 years ago, I bought just your base 911. Went to the Porsche dealer, bought a base 911. I could afford it. It was, I don't know, 80 grand. Now Porsche has become, it's almost like what Ferrari was 10 years ago, where just the base Porsche is so expensive, man. It's pricing out their market. So now it's become, and we've been on Porsche for how long? Like we've always talked about Porsche forever. Forever. It's our shit. Watch this. Oh my God. That's top gear. Oh, it's top gear. Yeah. Great channel. Yes. So these guys, they do a rolling star. I guess they did a rolling start because they didn't want to dump the clutch on this million dollar car. Way safer to do it that way. Watch this when they get to 30. Look at that interior dude. Watch this, go. It's at the base. Whoa, there's a lot of people. Go. Whoa. Bro. It's not even fucking close. Is that even close? It's not even close. That's insane. And the GT3 RS is a fast car. Fast motherfucking car. But this was not his car. Obviously, this is someone else's car that they're letting him test. And so whoever bought that car and spent a million dollars, how much did they cost? 1.2. 1.2 million dollars. Yeah, again, that's my only issue with Porsche now is because if you want a GT3 RS, they're so expensive now, man. It's like, well, people flip them. A lot of people flip them because they're really hard to get to. Yeah. It's just a lot of demand for them. It's tough. Back in the day, even if you're a Porsche, you could start somewhere and you'd be OK. And now it's almost like Ferrari where it's unattainable for a lot of people. Well, you know what a lot of people are doing? What's? It's $400,000 more. It's 1.6 million. That car is? 1.6 is crazy. Worth every penny. If you got that loot. If you got that loot. Please buy it. One of the things that people are doing is taking that lighter weight Porsche 911T, the T. And they're taking that and juicing it up to 700-plus horsepower and putting some mods on it. Now you're talking my language. Yeah, because you can do that for way less than it would cost you to buy a twin turbo. And you're getting the same kind of speed, but you're also getting rear-wheel drive. And you can get them for pretty, I don't want to say cheap, but cheaper. Cheaper. Like, it's so tough, man, to get some of those. Like, the GT3RS is. You got to be allocated. Or it's like 150 over markup. Like, it's tough these days in the Porsche business. They're crushing it. It's good for them. Again, for my kids, hopefully they're fortunate enough for making good money. But it's going to be really tough to get into Porsche, man. It's just different. Porsche has become the marquee car when back in the day, it wasn't that. It wasn't. No. It used to be much more affordable. It was the more affordable supercar, a daily driving supercar. But the market, and it's also things change, right? Because now everything is twin turbo. They're all twin turbo. Unless you buy a GT3, they're twin turbo. Yeah. I think too, one of the reasons I went away from exotic, because I even modded my GT2RS like I'm an idiot. But it loses value in it. So. When you mod them. When you mod them. It fucks them up. And I just can't leave anything alone. So that's why I went so heavy in the American shit. Because the C6 is all the American stuff, you can mod the fuck out of it. And there's a market there, not losing your ass. And they're cheaper to mod. When I would mod a Ferrari, buddy, exhaust, whatever the fuck, turbos, if you want to do a tune, it's a fucking nightmare, man. Nightmare. Well, it's all, to me, it's all about enjoyment. And so what are you getting out of it? If you're not racing it and trying to go around corners, sideways, and fucking correcting, and you're not really doing that with most cars, you're just enjoying it when you're driving it. And for me, I love the feel of a V8. Like, I have one of those Shelby Super Snakes. Yeah. It's a six-speed. Did you get the Super Snake car? It hasn't got it yet. It's on the way. Whee. I fucking love that car, because it's a modern muscle car. Driving it is like driving an old school muscle car, but it's all modern. And perfect starts every time, interior is great. Love that car. And it's just the fun of just driving normal speed. Just normal speed. Just driving to work. Not speeding. Just brrr. You feel like you're doing something fun. And you get that same excitement in your ZR1X? No. No, it's not the same. The ZR1X is on another planet. It's a spaceship. I mean, it's the most capable car I've ever driven by far. Like, when I took the ZR1 around the racetrack, we drove it around Coda. I was like, this thing is crazy. Crazy. It's so fast, and it handles so well, and it gives you so much confidence. But it's different when you're not shifting your own gears. You're not using the clutch. It's all about that. The driving experience is about engagement. And if you're not using a manual, you're missing. You're going to have fun. Don't get me wrong. You get a Corvette. You're going to have a lot of fun. It's a great car. But shifting your own. They finally started making a gear, a manual transmission, for the C8. Really? Yeah. So it's not. Is the Grand Sport coming in manual? I don't think it's going to be offered by Corvette. I don't know if there are in the future. But you can buy one now. So see what the company is that does that. But it's a famous transmission company that's making a C8 manual transmission. And everybody saw that, and they were like, oh. Because that's the only knock I've heard on actual car guys with the ZR1X. They go, fastest fuck. It's great. But it's kind of doing it for you. Like the drive's different. Like it's so. It's a spaceship. It's a spaceship. Your Luke Skywalker. Does not offer a manual transmission. Tremac. OK. Tremac has developed a six-speed manual that fits a C8. GM considers it not real for production. What does that mean? But Tremac makes it. But they make it. Yeah. Are they selling it? Is Tremac not selling it? Or did they make it just for funsies? Because Tremac made the transmission on my Superstress. Tremac is great. They make the best transmissions. Tremac's new six-speed manual transactional opens the door from manual swap vets and other creations. So you can do it. This is what I would do. What I would do is get a ZO6 and put a fucking manual in it. Now we're cooking. Let's go. Let's fucking go. Now you have literally the ultimate Corvette. I get that ZO6 and that orange. There's no word yet on price timeline who's going to cook up the software to tell the Corvette to cooperate with three-petal transmission. That is the problem. Because you're going to have to. And the ECU. Yeah. That's a big problem. Yeah. The biggest problem I've had is with the ECU. People don't realize the guys who do all the mods they do. But it's like I got a 2024 RAM. And right away I'm like, right, what mods am I going to do? I'm talking to Randy's transmission, Banks. I'm talking to my boys at Diesel R. And they're like, you got a 2024? I'm like, yeah. What's up? Low miles, man. I fucked up. Why? Because 2024 and up, there's no way to unlock that ECU. We have to find an ECU from a 2022 or earlier. And I'm like, OK, those can't be expensive. Oh, they're blood diamonds. Because everybody wants that. You're looking at $7,000 for unlocked ECU. And that's not at any power. That's just to get it so you can add the power. Oh my god. That's crazy. And then Diesel R, they were like, dude, we have one. I'm like, no fucking way. Well, how about this new law that they just passed, where your car is going to monitor you, and then they're going to have a kill switch in your car? So to keep people from drinking and driving, or if maybe they don't like what Brendan Shaw posted on Twitter, and they just fucking shut your car down. I think that's what is. Even more reason to buy old shit. Yeah, a lot of reason to buy old shit. Put that, please, into perplexity and ask them when this law is being passed and what the law entails. Because I've been hearing a lot of different versions of it. I want to know what these are. It's going to pass in California first, for sure. Well, it's passed nationwide. And Thomas Massey voted against it. And I think Federman might have voted against it too. I'm not sure. Real federal mandate tied to 2027 model year cars. It's about impaired driving detection. Yeah, but this is how it starts. The problem is if it has a kill switch, ask if it has a kill switch, if that's part of it. I mean, it probably is going to be in here. Right. OK, why people call it a kill switch? Because the system may be able to prevent the engine from starting or shut down performance if it decides you're impaired. So that's a kill switch. So that is great if you're preventing someone from drinking and driving. That is not great if you are Nick Fuentes and you're in your car. But that's the Trojan horse. Like they get you in with that. It's for safety. That's the thing. May is a key word in there. May be able. Well, the thing about that is I think they already have that with the Corvette. I think with OnStar, if someone steals your car. Correct. You can shut it down. Right. So. That's the security. If you have a Corvette and Brendan Chavez run from the law and you're trying to get to Canada. But can't they do that with your Teslas? That's probably, I mean, it's a computer. It's a computer. Of course they probably can do that. I'm really bummed out the Teslas canceled the Model S. Jamie and I were just talking about it before the show. Oh, they could all go away and I wouldn't give two fucks. I know he's your boy, but I just don't care. Shut your mouth. Do your thing. I drive it all the time. I love it. With all the cars you have. I love it. It's the one thing I'm like. I love it. Listen, I love V8s. Look, I drove my Raptor here. You know? Raptor is badass. A fan boy would say they just can be replaced by that Roadster that they haven't shown yet. Yeah, but the Roadster is a two-seater. My car is a four-seater, four-door car that goes 0 to 60 in under two seconds. Why would they get rid of it? I've never had four people in my car. You never would? I've never had four people in my car. General soul. You haven't. But like, so like the other day, I had to pick up my daughter because she was being driven. And the car they were driving got a flat. And I was on my way home at the exact same time. And I picked her up and her friends. Yes, dope. So I had three friends in the back seat, one in the front. Yeah, I got everybody in my car. No problem. I like having a four-door. I have a family. I know you're a single guy. Like for you, a Roadster would be fine. That's just a gyptus, you know? No, for you. It's a small little car anyway. I thought the X is pretty dope too. They also cancel the X. I know the X is dope. Tiffany Haddish had one and she showed me that they could dance in the parking lot. I've never seen that video. I was like, this is crazy. This is crazy. I only do four. I don't have anything two-door anymore because it's kiddos. I just try to create the most badass dad whip I can. Yeah. And it has to have four doors. Well, I mean, I have two-door cars, but I always have to have a sedan. I like a sedan. Your kids are older though too. If I didn't have a Tesla and I have a sedan, what I would get is the Cadillac, the CT5-V. Black wing. Let's go. And you can get a manual. You can get the new one, the F1, is only in manuals. The highest horsepower, 685. I don't know why I couldn't say that word. 685 horsepower. I know you do. We both suffer from marble mouth, brother. 685 horsepower and it's only manual. Just take my fucking mind, dude. I want an automatic. Nothing so. If it's that. Yeah. Manual sounds fun, but if you're driving all the time, especially if you live it in LA. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Depending on where you live in. Yeah. Jamie, that could be you, bud. Like we were just in New Jersey. Bro, that's you, Jamie. I'm not saying it's a bad car. I'm just like, I'm going to drive it 10 miles a day. Yeah, it's awesome. 10 miles. Dude, the feeling in that car with the torque and the sound of the engine. Can't go anywhere on 35 in traffic. Give me some fucking volume. Let's hear that driving. I'm the one in this car. Yeah. Well, Jamie's not really a car guy. Very, very good. Drive it to the golf course, but like. Yeah. That's once a week. Yeah. But the sound. The sound. Look at that. Look at all the carbon around it. Me or drive. Me or drive. There it is. Drive it, bitch. Let's go. How the engine reacts to that in the video. Oh, why would they do this to me? Why would you have a video of this and not have? Bleh. Bleh. Yeah, you want to sell cars or not? For me, please. Here it is. Just click that, though. That's the black one. Oh, there we go. Oh, my dick just got hard. And we can spice that up, Jamie. You sent it to me for a day, Bubba. That's fine. The way it comes from the factory is fine. I got to do a damn thing. I know, you can't get it really loud, but the thing is just that alone. There we go. Come on, dog. Yeah. All right, I'm getting some out. Yeah! He's in. Yes. Dude, you don't understand. Oh, cammed up, baby. I feel, oh, that's a cammed up one. That one's nuts. Oh, there's a lot of mods. Dude's jacked those up above 1,000 all the time. Oh, that's going to get robbed out here, then. No, Bubba. No, come on. Where's our car? No. Where are you parking? You wanted to get it or buy a car? I don't drive anywhere. Where's he going? Come on. Where's he going? He's buying a car. You live in a nice place? I'll meet it. Are you buying cracks? You got covered parking. You don't need it, but it's fine. I just think of gone 60 seconds. When you've got a dope car, people know you've got a dope car, and you're seeing driving that dope car. They're going to follow you in that dope car. Our friend. You got followed. What's wrong with you, Joey? Oh, Julian? Yeah, shit's going to happen. I don't need Dallas. That's going to have fucking dope Tesla. He's in Dallas buying tacos at 3 in the morning. 7 million Teslas all over the place. Bro, I drive. And he's got a Ferrari. I drive Ferrari and shit. Ferrari is different than a Cadillac. Ah. Have you had any issues? Especially out here. No, you can catch an issue every now and then. But the thing about Texas is everybody's armed. Like, you can't just roll up on someone and try to take their car. You're risking your fucking life. It happened on Fifth Street, a block away from the club not too long ago. So you're downtown. Yeah, right in front of ADBs. People get carjacked in every city. That's a fact. That's all that does happen. That's not what happened to Target. Not where I live. Come on over to the Burbs, dude. So you think if you have one of them cyber truck. So supposedly, cyber truck is coming out with an SUV. Maybe. Yeah, I don't know. Allegedly. That could be cool. Elon won't tell me. He won't tell me shit. You know what I'm saying? I got a big fucking mouth. There's an online people have showed things, but we don't really know what it's like. What have they showed? Potential. It looks a little bit like the mix between an X and a cyber truck. See, that would be a smart move for them to make a cyber truck that's an SUV. It's a smart move because you already have the shape just instead of having the pickup truck part where no one's using. Yeah, extend the seats. Yeah, have the seats back more. And you could even shorten the wheelbase a little bit and make it like when the smaller Cadillac SUVs. You could. Or you could just say fuck all that noise and get a Hellcat Durango because Stalantis does, Hellcat's back baby. Those are pretty dope. Hellcat Durangles are pretty dope. Godfather Hellcat Tim is back running fucking Dodge. Yes, thank God. That's why, thank fucking God. Dodge is crushing it. They got silly with that electric thing. It's some French guy running it. Is that what it was? Yeah, he killed all. He hates America. Facts. That's what it was. Boom. He wanted to destroy America. Facts. But he's going to want Poiton to beat Serogun. It was like the most iconic American V8 powered cars. In a long time. We're Dodge. Dodge Viper. Well, that's a V10. Dodge Viper. But just big engines, right? You had gasoline engines. You had, of course, the Challenger, Challenger Hellcat, Hellcat Red Eye. They crushed it. Crushed it. Are they going to discontinue the Challenger? No, they're coming out with a gas Challenger. So they fucked up and came out with a Challenger all electric and an eight charger. Was it a Challenger? And a Challenger, too. They did both, right? You can't change it. They're coming out with a charger that's gas powered. Yeah, the charger's dope. I've seen some reviews of it. It's dope. It's dope. And it's fast. Fast as fuck. Now we're talking, Jamie. What do you think of that? This. OK. It's the 20th. Here we go. It's a straight S&V. Look at that, Jamie. Here you go. All the clubs fit in there. Yeah. Now we're talking. The Drango kept dodge a flow. That's what you need, Jamie. You need a goddamn P8. Like a fucking Hellcat. You're going to come in here with a fucking hairy chest. Oh, god damn American. Yeah. That's what you need. That's it. Forget the Cadillac. We're onto this now. We're onto this. We're onto this. That's what you need. I wasn't. This is also the people of these. This is a robbery car, the Trackhawk. That's why I'm off of that. Trackhawks are great, dude. When you're not stealing. There's not that many of them. Yeah, and people are after them. How about you get a Hennessy? Tell them to leave the badges off. Hennessy's are so fucking silly. Just have Hennessy do it and leave the badges off. Bro, did you see? So it just looks like a regular one, a sleeper. I'd just be worried the whole time. Oh my god. What world are you living in? Dude, did you see Hennessy did a super duty? Hennessy finally did a four super duty? Yeah. Hennessy does dope shit, dude. They do dope Mustangs. They do dope Cadillacs. They take the Blackwing and fucking. See, that's why with Tubi, it was like, let's see how these four episodes go. They do good. Do you know John? Me and him had a conversation. You should do a show with him. I want to do a show with him. I want to go to Gunther. Yeah. But John's great. He's up the fucking road. He's great. I can connect you with him. He's a good dude. He's a friend of mine. Me and him had a convo because when I was building my rap to get to 1400 horsepower, I called him. Well, I'll hook you up with Gunther too. They're great. Peter's very cool too. He's Durango smokes his trackhawk. Yeah, dude. Oh, the Durango with the Hellcat? He's a terrible fast. He smokes them. Yeah. That's probably not a Hennessy one. Well, it doesn't matter. I mean, they put a Hellcat, one of those fucking things. You're dealing with insane horsepower. It's so much horsepower. They're awesome, Jamie. And it's the red interior. It's fucking awesome. Well, we're salespeople. We're selling Dodge to Jamie. That actually might have been the trackhawk on the right. OK, whichever one it was. Either way, pick your poison. It was dope. Just fucking get one. I would 100% drive one of those. 100%. Fuck yeah, you are. I might get one too if you get one. Shit. Well, it's great. They get three. Charge you. How dare you. You son of a bitch. How the fuck did they? You know what, man? He's not wrong, though, with the way gas prices are. I talked to Tim Dillon today. I was on the phone with him when I was in the studio. He told me that gas is $7.90 a gallon in LA right now. And that's down from what was a month. I was out there a month through the commercial, and it was up to 840 something. Here's what I don't understand. Are we getting oil from Iran? No. That's what maybe three or 4% is from Iran. Are they just fucking us in the ass? They just know, oh, Americans know if we go to war, we can increase the gas price. So we all just go along with it. Is that real, or is it global prices went up because some of the gas can't get to where it needs to go? And so they need to make that money, so they just fuck you. Isn't it funny? They're like, we're going to make money no matter what. The American people are going to lose money, so we make the same amount of money. And also fuck you. You need oil. My whole thing is, even when we go to war, people are like, yeah, they're just doing it for money. It's like, how much fucking money do they need? They're all rich anyway. American gas prices are rising mainly because crude oil has become more expensive due to the war with Iran and disruptions in global oil supply, plus normal seasons and cost factors in refining distribution and taxes. Biggest driver, crude oil in the Iran War. But what if we got all our oil from America? Which we can do. Well, if we did that, why would oil go up? Because like, Americans' oil prices are tied to global oil market. We would just start selling it. That's stupid. Yeah. The market. Yeah, but there are a bunch of crooks. There are a bunch of crooks. We should have a national oil company and only sell in America. Keep it in house, so no matter what foul shit we do outside the world, companies can still sell wherever they want. Yeah. Even though US is the world's largest oil producer, companies can sell oil on the global market to whoever pays the highest price. And it fucks us. High world prices still translate into high domestic gas prices. Hey, Mr. President, please fix that. Fuck it back some. I don't know if he can do that. They'll kill him. They try to kill him three times already. You try to fuck with that oil money. Oh, god. All of a sudden, President JD is crying on TV. I'm going to miss. I'm going to miss Donald. He was a great mentor to me. I didn't always agree with everything he said. And I wish he didn't post that picture of him as Jesus. I do. What the fuck are you doing? Hey, you know what's crazy to me is there's been like three legit assassination attempts. And it's in the news two, three days. And we're just like, yeah, it's crazy. And we move on. Well, there was another one that barely made the news where a guy showed up and tried to attack JD. You remember that guy? I know. Yes. See? I know. This guy showed up. I think he was at the White House. I think some guy showed up at the White. You see this guy? He just got killed or got shot in Cambridge. So this guy, he had a shootout with the cops three years ago, went to jail for three years, got out, and was walking down the street in Cambridge, just unloading his gun on past guys. Bop, bop, bop, bop. Yeah, just shooting random people on the street. This guy had gotten a shootout with the cops and only did three years. That's insane, dude. Shootout with the cops. I think 20 bullets were exchanged, and he only did three years. Bro, here's the other problem. As I saw, they took, again, whoever's doing these polls. You have to be an idiot to get stopped on the street. Look at this guy. This is wild. He's just walking on the street shooting at cars. Bro, by the way, I'm running. That guy over 1,000. Especially from my Toyota, my Land Cruiser, where I know it's not going to mess up my car. That's insane. Meanwhile, if I was in Cambridge, though, I'd probably go to jail for life. 100% you're fucked. Yeah. I'm just gonna go to jail for defending the public. But I saw a survey said, one in four Americans think the assassination attempts on the president are fake. I wonder what percentage think the world's flat? One in four. Yeah. The people that thought that the Butler, Pennsylvania one was staged don't know anything about guns. That's a fact. I don't know anybody who knows anything about guns. It thinks that the president would let some guy nick his ear with a bullet. Sodom. Sodom. That is, in the guy behind him, the firefighter who lost his life, that guy got shot by a bullet that was intended for Trump. And then there's a photo of a bullet whizzing by his face. Anybody that thinks that that stage is out of their fucking mind. Or the guy that the Correspondent's dinner who rushed in. Yeah. They think that's fake. And it's like, hold on. So you think this guy who's a teacher, educated, clearly kind of had a shit together, threw away his life? Well, Tim Burchette, who I had on the podcast, Congressman, he thinks that guy was like some sort of an MK ultra type deal. And he says he thinks they still do that. He thinks someone's still doing that. I've always thought that. I'm not trying to steal. I'm sure he has way better points than me. But if they did MK ultra all those years ago, when you go through the list of Charles Mance and the Unabomber, you think it stopped? Right. And you don't think they've gotten better with it? Exactly. So you just think they're like, OK, the public knows. We're going to shut this down. No, dude. Yeah. They just they expand. It gets better and better and better. For sure they're still doing that. And that could have been Thomas Crooks too, the guy who tried to shoot Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. That one was weird as fuck. That one's so weird because that guy's house was professionally scrubbed. He didn't even have silverware there. He had no online activity. He had no like social media. Black rock ties. And have you heard anything about him? Nope. Gone. How weird is that, dude? Vanished like kind of social. What about the Charlie Kirk guy? What about the guy who killed Charles Mance? Right. We haven't heard one interview with him. Is that not weird, dude? It's super weird. Nearly one third of Americans, 30%, believe that at least 30%. At least one of the three attempts on Donald President's life over the last two years were staged. Wow. I've been 54%. For each attempt at assassination, a majority of Americans said either that it was staged or that they were not sure. 54% said they either thought it was staged or not sure. And that's the problem. Only 38% of Americans believe all three assassination attempts were authentic. This is TikTok. It's fucking ruined. That's the problem. That's the fucking problem. Rotting their fucking brains out from inside their heads. I know. It's not good, dude. Maybe while you go on Chinese TikTok, it's all like traditional dance and martial arts. They built it. Science projects. Yeah. It shuts down for kids after 10 PM. Yeah. And like Americans, have fun. Yeah. Go write your brains. They're doing such a great job. Crush. And then they sold it, right? So they sold it to that American company. And they're just going to continue doing what the Chinese did and make the most amount of money, which is rotten people's brains out. Don't give a fuck. What would it be dope if this American company that bought it said, hey, there's clearly a problem with how things are emphasized and what your algorithm shows you. And what we're going to do is promote exceptional people doing exceptional things. Don't you think they would get more users? Because as a dad, I'd be like, OK, you guys can have TikTok. There's some rules there. It's an educational thing. Now, not a fucking chance, dude. No, it wouldn't get more. It would go right over to Instagram, which is like Instagram's all exacerbation. What if they did across the board? You would have to have no one cross that picket line, and they all would. Because people are addicted to watching fucked up street fights and crazy things now. My algorithm is all like people fighting in parking lots. And there's so much of that. Man, mine's just trucks, cars, and fucking fights. On Instagram? Yeah. So my problem is me and Segura, every day, send each other the worst thing what we find online. I don't want to start my day like that. I don't either. I don't either, but it's too late. But that's the only time I'm going to Instagram now. The only time, and then I'll check my hands occasionally. You've kind of gotten off of it, right? Yeah. This is so much better. Feel so much better. I go in occasionally and check Twitter to see what the news is, like what's trending. Like reading comments and all that shit or mentions. And I don't even go into the news feed, because I used to go into the news feed, I find things about me all the time. I don't want to hear what a douchebag I am. Come on. I'm not here for that. I know. It sucks. So I can't avoid people getting mad at me, or even saying nice things about me. I don't want to read that. I think what's better is I go to the trending stuff and find out what the news is. So then I'll click on what the fuck is going on, and I'll check that out. That's how I found out about this guy with the gun. And you feel so much better. Way better. But I'm also more often than not, now not going there for my news. And I've kind of curated my Google news feed. Smart. To be much more interested. I get more stories, and it'll show me stories from X. So then I can decide whether or not I want to actually open up X to read the story. And did you stop drinking too? I did, and then I went back. I'm back. How back are you? Not back. Crazy. But I'll have a couple of drinks every now and then. I haven't gotten drunk since I've been back. Dude, I've been sober over two years now. That's not. Almost three. Feel good? Feel great. Never been in better shape. Yeah, it's definitely better for you. But I do like a glass of wine or two at dinner. And I do like a drink or two with the boys when we're at the club every now and then. But I was doing it too much. Me too. And then I recognized, and so I stopped. Yeah, it wasn't benefiting me. And then also, I have addictive personality. Like if I do something, I got to be all in. Like on cars, literally one day I woke up, I'm like, I don't need 11 cars. And half of them are trucks, and they're all the same. It's just like when I get into something, I get so into it. But as I'm getting older, I'm getting better at checking myself. Good. That's good. Getting better at that is very important to managing your life. It's really important. It's growing up. Well, it's also just realizing that there's some addictions that are just not beneficial at all, and then other ones that are really beneficial. So just get addicted to doing things that are good for you. Yeah, in fact. But that's the problem is that a lot of people can't regulate their addictions well. They're just not good at it. And so they just get caught up. And it could be anything. Oh. Preach. That's me. Yeah. But it's also that same thing is what causes people to get good at stuff. Correct. Which is weird. Like if you show me a dude who can't get addicted to anything, there's not one thing that is taking up too much of your time. I probably can't hang out with you. Correct. And it's not good. Yeah, not good. Yeah, because that same obsession is what led me to get me to the UFC or football. Exactly. Exactly. Like being all in on something, I think, is where that's where obsession can lead. The scary one for me, I think, not for me personally, but when I see it, is gambling. Super scary. Because I see people that are really rich, not just Dana, but other people that I know that are really rich, that gamble big numbers. And it freaks me out. Like big poker games and crazy amounts of money, the gamble and stuff. And I was like, I don't like that. But you get your rocks off in other ways. I think for those super rich people, they can buy any car, they can buy any house, or go on any trip. In order to get their rocks off, that's how they do it. Yeah, but it has to be a big number for them to feel it. The juice has to be so high. If they bet $100 on something, they don't even vote. That doesn't mean they might not even cash that ticket. They don't feel it. You and I are similar with obsession. Do your kiddos have that? Do you see it in any case? Oh yeah, super driven. But it's very positive. Kids imitate the atmosphere that they grow up in. And if your parents have a hard work ethic and they're disciplined and they're kind, generally speaking, that's how your kids come out. I think that. So when I see shitty kids, I genuinely think that at least part of it is from the parents. Dude, I coach my sons baseball and football teams. The crazy parents I deal with. Oh yeah. Buddy. Dude. And I try to talk to the dads, because most of them respect me, so I'll go, can I give you some advice, man? You gotta back off, dude. But they can't. They can't. You don't have to change who they are. And I tell them, I'm trying to help you out here. You love baseball, whatever, you love football. Your son has told me he wants to quit. Now, the reason he wants to quit is because you've made it not fun. He used to love this game. When I first got here, nothing he loved more than football. Now he wants to quit because you've made it a job for him. You fucked up, dude. And who's it gonna affect? A, it's gonna suck for him because he likes football. You're not gonna be able to watch a kid play football, dude. Because you decide to make it not fun. You're gonna fuck up your relationship with your kid. I don't force my kids into doing it, other than they have to go to school. I don't force my kids into doing anything they don't wanna do. And if they're not interested in it, you don't have to do it. But find something you are interested in. That's my thing. Whatever you're into, let's ride. I don't give a fuck what is. It's just so happens. It's baseball, football. Cool, let's ride, man. But if you're gonna do it, you gotta do it. You have a great personality for that and that you're very encouraging your kids. But you're not, it's not you thinking that like your self-worth is not tied up to your kid's performance. You just want your kids to have fun. The problem is with some people, their kid is almost like their racehorse or something. You know what I mean? Like it's like their whole personality gets wrapped around their kid being an elite athlete. Brother, and now it's worse because especially in baseball, it's like, it's a business now. It's over a billion dollar business. So now it's like, there's these, travel ball when I was a kid, you have to be really fucking good. Well now every parent wants to say their kid's travel ball. So there's the majors and there's two teams of the majors. There's three triple A, three double A, three single A. I just want my, I don't need the best 10 year old. I just want him playing. So I don't give up. He made the majors team. I don't give a fuck. It's majors, triple A, rec, we're playing wherever. Have fun. Have fun. And get, and get. And apply yourself to something. And apply yourself. And I don't give a fuck whether, what level we're at. We'll play it all. And some of the parents, I'll come back from a tournament by like, oh, you play double A. I'm like, yeah, it's baseball. You think he can only play majors? So what I can sit around the cooler, the water cooler and brag to you guys? I don't give a fuck. Isn't it crazy that people will like talk down about a kid who's not playing as good as other kids? Oh, it's wild. It's like, what do you, but you know, that's the, it's like stage moms, you know? There's a thing like that with actors. To your point, again, he's tied up in there. But they, what they don't realize is that they're fucking it all up. Oh yeah. It's all gonna get fucked up. I've seen that with a lot of young actors where their parents were like super involved in their career. And then the kid just did not want to do it anymore. And generally, like, I've seen it a few times and one of them that I know really well, where the parents stole money from the kid. Fuck dude. Yeah, he stole like $6 million. Jesus Christ. I'll tell you who it is after the show. That's terrible. Oh, it's awful. It's awful. It's like devastated them to find out. But it's like, that's what they're doing. They're using the kid as a piggy bank. They quit working. They relied entirely on the kid and the kid's acting. I think that's pressure on the kid. 10. Oh, I gotta afford all this so we can fucking live. And I'm nine? Not only that, but then, you know, the kid starts feeling like, okay, this is my fucking money. Yeah, I'm gonna fuck you up. You don't tell me. I can't have cereal. Go fuck yourself. He's the boss? Yeah, I mean, he had problems with it too. They all have problems with it. And then on top of that, it's just super unhealthy for your kid to get famous when they're 10. Horrible. Also for pretending? Horrible. You get famous for pretending? That's what, how's that gonna affect your personality? Yeah. Well, there's a lot of parents out there, man. They just, they don't understand. You're developing a human being. And one of the reasons they don't understand is they're not developed well. Correct. They're fucking nuts. Or the biggest problem is usually the parents who never played. Right. And they're like, man, they'll see just a glimpse that their son has some talent and then they're the worst. Did your kid into cars? You big time. Oh, that's nice. Big time. Gotta teach them how to drive so they don't have to tell them stupid when they get old. That's what I tell them all the time. All the fucking time. Yeah, don't tell them big time. Oh, no, they're gonna learn how to drive a manual. It's the easiest way to your car. Jamie, you want to make sure your car doesn't get stolen? Buy a manual. The criminals these days don't have to drive a manual. Do you want to drive one? Sure. Oh, he's gonna burn that clutch. Look at him. I haven't done it in a long time. I could figure it out throwing a black one. Yeah, especially if you're only driving 10 miles a day. Perfect candidate. I just don't want to. It's disappointing. Yeah, no, my kids know their shit. Like, yeah, it months me out. I mean, there's another, there's so many other cars in the world. It doesn't have to be that one. What do you like? I don't get it. I'm not driving anywhere. We know you like track cars. OK, OK, OK. But let's just put all that aside. What cars do you look at? Oh, I like that. Or do you look at a car that you like and go, that's a target? No, it's a, if it's one I like, it ends up honestly being like an X6 somewhere in that range. X5, X6, AMG, GLE. OK. Now we're talking. I don't know. There's somewhere in there. Those are dope looking. Whoever made the new grills on the BMW should be Dick Slap. Into the hospital. Like, what the fuck did you do to one of the most iconic grills? And they hit like the M4s? Like, blah. Yeah. What did you do? They just trying to switch it up, you know, and they miss. But who let that go through? Bring that up, David. The only one that looks good or looks decent is the 7 series. There's something about the proportions of the 7 series with that big grill. It doesn't bother me. That M2 is fucking tasty, too, though. OK, that's dope. Those things you cook. They didn't get it goofy with the grills. Yeah. Come on, don't fuck on with that. They sort of fixed it as time's gone by, but it's still got a big gap like that. Yeah, I don't like it. The earlier ones were the grossest ones. But look at that right there. The lower. I'm sorry. That one's good, but the left one, the white one. The white one. Yeah, that's it. Look at that. That's perfect. That's perfect. That's pretty. That's perfect. Do you still have the M5? No, but I do have the E46 M3. Oh, yeah, those are cool. The 2005? Yeah, that one's fucking awesome. That one's fucking great. That is literally a perfect car. That's a great car. Like that one, that one's gross. That grill, the lower right one, the bronze color one. Blech. Yeah, my brother has that new M2 manual, and I think fucking cool. M2's are amazing. Those are amazing. BMW, to their credit, is still making manual transmissions. Oh, it's a little better. Do they make a manual in the M5? They don't, right? I don't think so. I think the M5 is only, does it make a manual? The M5s are so heavy now. That's their issue. Yeah, I think manual's not the first thing coming up. Yeah, I don't think they make it a manual transmission anymore. See if it says manual transmission. That one's automatic. Yeah, I think they make the M4 manual. Yeah, oh, six speed. But that's the E60 V10. That's an old one. Those are dope. The V10s are cool. V10s sound amazing. They sound amazing. My E46 is not that fast. There it is. That's old. Yeah. So those are the last ones they made in the manual. But my E46 is small. It's, it does it well. It handles really good. It's got hydraulic steering manual transmission. And it's a dyno, so it has a supercharger on it. So it's a little faster, so it's like 400 something horsepower. But, dude, it's just fun. It just, you feel it while you're driving it. And they look fucking awesome. I said something weird and I was trying to track that. Said that they got two of them that were, unless there's only two vehicles here. What does it say? It might be just not an American thing? Does that make sense? No, those are old. No, I'll tell you what I saw. Oh, so put in 2026 BMW M5 manual. I just saw that. We got two versions of the BMW M5 with a manual that the rest of the world missed out on. That's what I saw and was clicking on. When does that, though, if you click on it? So it's 2025. Right, but I think they're talking about old cars. I think they're doing a history. BMWs don't have them. Because it says two versions. They're talking about older cars. BMW still has great interiors, too. Some manufacturers still fucking do it right. BMW does it right. They're really good. It's a solid car. The new M5, even if it isn't a manual, is a fucking screamer of a car. They're monsters. But they have to make them hybrids now. I know, it's gonna get. Because of all the fucking, all the environmental. Did you see Trump got rid of the engines? The engine start? You know how when you start? Oh, yeah. He got rid of that. That's good. I don't like that. It drives me nuts. And some cars I have to press that don't do that at every red light. I fucking hate it. I don't do that. I hate it. I hate it. It drives me fucking nuts. You're not saving anything. All you're doing is cooking my starter. Because the starter's got to start. How crazy did Trump was like, I'm getting rid of that. So annoying. Parking next to one of these dangers. Is that a Maserati? Yeah, it's that. Oh boy. Those are cool. In person, they're really nice. Oh, that's a beautiful car. Why don't you get one of them, Jamie? Well, ah. What's up? I don't know. He's worried about the attention. I just had a tire problem before I didn't go that far. Those Model S tires just fell apart after 10,000 miles. I know that was weird. The way your tires fell apart was weird. That didn't make any sense. Because he said he had a flat tire, and then he got a look at it, and it was like, there's the wires around. He'd worn down the tread at 10,000 miles. Well, that's the problem with electric cars. Because they're so heavy, so you're going through tires faster. But I didn't think it would be that fast. Jamie might be driving like a maniac. The fucking nutty man. I bet he is. I bet it's going sideways. The wire, dude? You know, ratchet. You got to be the way down to the wire. I think it's the weight. Yeah, it's the weight. Because we looked it up, and it was like 15,000 miles. So he's just a little bit more lead foot. Heavy foot. A little more lead foot. Lead foot, Jamie. Just a sign to get out of the electric car. As he gets older, we're talking old lead foot, Jamie. These are dope. Austin Martins are dope. Fuck yeah. Now we're talking, son. Come on, Jamie. I don't know how. I don't know what I'm good shit to. Here we go. I just don't like black man Cadillac. Okay. Okay, you don't like Cadillac. Okay, that's fine. That's fucking awesome. Awesome. It's fine. Everybody has different tastes. That's fine. As long as you like that. You like something. Dude, I'll go on Facebook Marketplace for you. We'll get you a track cox. We'll get you an Aston Martin. He's got to get something. We got to get him something fun. Let's know the budget, dude. He seems a little hesitant. But he does seem open to it. Well, you drove race cars before. We're on the track. Yeah, that's fun. I do that all the time. But you could buy a car that you can drive your own? We're going to have a studio at the track. We're fun to not drive your own race car. That's true. You don't worry about fucking it up. That's a good point. So your show's on 2B. Show's on 2B. Gearhead's gone wild. There's four episodes. And are you releasing new ones? You can binge watch all four of them right now. And then if the four do well, they're going to order a bunch more. And that's where I do Hennessey, Gunter Works. Nice. And how long are each show? I think they're like 28 minutes each. Yeah. Okay, cool. And it's Gearhead's gone wild on 2B. Yep. It's going to be the first time I ever go to 2B. I've never been to 2B. Please do. I don't heard about it like a year ago. I just found out about it three months ago. I just can't believe it. There's that many fucking people viewing it. When they're like, we got to buy a 2B, I'm like, okay, let's fucking do it. They've been awesome. That's great. It's easy to watch. Yeah. There's that many people. But it sounds awesome, dude. It's fine, man. I'm glad you're doing something that you enjoy. You'll dig it. I definitely will. Yeah, you'll dig it. It's our shit. All right, brother. You'll love it, man. Thanks for doing this, brother. I love you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Goodbye, everybody. See you. Olivia loves a challenge. It's why she lifts heavy weights and likes complicated recipes. But for booking her trip to Paris, Olivia chose the easy way with Expedia. She bundled her flight with a hotel to save more. Of course, she still climbed all 674 steps to the top of the Eiffel Tower. You were made to take the easy route. We were made to easily package your trip. Expedia, made to travel. Flight-inclusive packages are at all protected.