Cool World (HDTGM Matinee)

Just because you create something doesn't mean you have to fuck it. We saw cool world so you know what that means Now it's time for How did this create? Answer to the question Hello people of earth and welcome to how did this get made I am tall John sheer This is another quarantine edition of the pod today. We were talking about cool world and cool world is a movie that really Defies any rational explanation. We're gonna get into it, but basically cartoons want to get into the real world cartoons are called doodles humans are called noise and if you have sex with a cartoon They become real anyway. It's a real big mess. I don't even I'm not even sure I understand what I saw but to help me break it down Let me introduce my co-host mr. Jason Manzook as how are you Jason? You know Paul Having just watched this movie I don't know if it is the quarantine or the fact that I haven't seen another person or touched a human being in two months but um, I got I'll not lie. I got pretty horny for these cartoons I mean you really like that cigar-chomping partner of breath nails. Oh, yeah, I'll fuck nails Before we go any further let me introduce someone who I think got a lot of laughs out of this movie because I heard her enjoying it Quite a lot. Please welcome mr. June Diane Rayfield. How are you Jim? Hi Paul. I'm okay How are you? I'm fine. How are you dealing in this quarantine? I'm doing I'm doing okay. It's actually just thinking you know It really is I don't know just just a very quick shout out to all the people who Who are not quarantining because they have to go to work. Yes. I just keep on you know It is it as hard as this is what we're doing and it's really hard. It is just amazing to me to See so many people obviously doing the front line work, but also just delivering and I'm doing all of the essential work right now. I'm just very appreciative and and it truly it is a privilege to be able to shelter at homes But so I am doing okay Well, I mean do you think it's a privilege to shelter at home and get a chance to watch cool world I mean that's really the question. I I mean, it's like being on vacation. Listen, I don't know what happened Last night I don't I you know and I was actually thinking about who frame Roger Rabbit which I do think had a profound effect on me as a a youngster that movie and I felt like I was I felt like my fond memories of that movie were violated Because this movie is so overtly much more sexual or why do you feel like this movie is an attack on that frame? Yes, I loved who frame Roger Rabbit and I thought it was so great and I just enjoyed the hell out of it and this movie to me was So terrible so underwritten so I mean I will you know we'll get into it But I did think Kim Basinder was a ray of light Yeah, you were getting some solid laughs off of Kim's performance. I LLL'd Well, here's the thing about this movie and I alluded to it in the beginning This movie was pitched as a hard-er film. So the original pitch according to Ralph Batchky was it was Basically the concept was a cartoon and live-action human have sex they conceive a hybrid child who visits the real world to murder The father who abandoned her That was the original pitch and then we get this Movie now that at least an understandable pitch This movie is It's hard to parse what's going on Ralph Batchky who made this Is somebody who is like comes out of Adult animation, you know, he made the Lord of the Rings and animated Feature in the 70s he made Fritz the cat like he's like a he comes out of a time when Adult our rated animation like heavy metal and stuff like that exists like in it's not Like they were trying to make an animated kids movie, you know That was a head all this sex in it. I think that's the mistake that you know like people had Which was oh, it's an animated movie. So it's a kids movie, but this is my understanding began intended for adults the same way that you know heavy metal might be I don't even know. I mean the human world is grotesque the doodle world is grotesque. It's all so And none of them seem to be none of the mana none of the major characters seem to be with the exception of Gabriel burn having created Cool world the comic and so created hollywood and all this stuff Not nobody seems interrelated Really no it like I don't understand who means what to who I don't understand who are the good guys in the bad guys I don't understand the stakes of this movie. I don't understand the rules. I don't understand why Brad Pitt is there at all I have no idea why he's been sent to cool world Well, let's just walk it back and just say that there's a big problem with this movie in the sense that Cool world was created by Gabriel burn But cool world existed Decades before Gabriel burn created it because that's the world that Brad Pitt was sucked into after he come home from world war Two and it wasn't a horrible motorcycle accident with his mother So listen to muscent Gabriel burn have created cool world prior to that no way he that's a 1942 Like there's no way and they actually say in the film. I think doc whiskers says We were here way before you created us Well because wait was doc whiskers created by Gabriel burn Well, I think that cool world is Gabriel burns creation in which these characters live But yet it seems like he's just tapped into something that's in the ether because cool world exists Wait, wait, wait, so you think who made doc whiskers Doc whiskers. I think is living in an alternate reality. What world that's yes No, I think you're right. So the very beginning when doc whiskers a scorched Brad Pitt into cool world I don't really remember what he said, but I feel like it was something I feel like the idea is like you could go here You can go into this world and go into that world like there's tons of doodle worlds you could go into with a doodle multiverse I felt like I felt like doc whiskers duck whiskers says to Brad Pitt I was trying to go into your world you weren't supposed to come into my world like doc whiskers when he creates the portal You know between tune world and or cool world rather and reality in the forties when Brad Pitt is come home In his joy riding with his mother on the back of a motorcycle hell mittless And gets into an accident and he gets sucked straight into cool world and doctor whiskers Uh or doc whiskers. I'm not sure if he's a real doctor or if you know, I don't know if he's an mz. I'm the doodle doctor a doodle doctor Yeah, he's a doodle doc so uh, so he but he says I was trying to I was trying to go to your world I wasn't trying to pull you into my world and then but what I couldn't figure out then Is we make the time jump to the whatever the 90s and Gabriel burn is in prison Right which is not really touched on he murdered someone he's a murderer. He's a murderer He murdered a man who was sleeping with his wife that is so Gent it's just mentioned we don't get any sense of that I mean also Gabriel burn when we meet him in prison He's released and he goes home to his house which looks like it's been Chipped up fine. Okay. Here's my main while there's so many issues How long was he sent away great for murdering a person a great question Noid two years One yeah, okay, because here's here's the timing of it his neighbor's daughter that girl Whoever she is who is obsessed with him has such a like intense connection with him I couldn't really understand why but how could she have known him he must have been put away for like You are it's the I tried to figure that out as well because I was like why did the neighbors Care so much about him you know they come over unannounced in the middle of the night Also the mother and the daughter appear to be the exact same age Which they look like friends no, it was you know what this was the 90s when if you were like 13 you dressed like you were 37 Maybe but they just seemed they went she said mom. I was like oh, I thought these were like Room mates anyway regardless. Yeah, I couldn't tell like his was he returning to the house He'd always been in or was he a new neighbor that they got to know and like that we just didn't see off camera It looked to me like he pulled his car into the driveway in the same clothes that he left prison in And got right back to work drawing cool world the cartoon or the comic book because by the way also in this world cool world The comic book is enormously popular he goes to a comic book shop to buy his own work the comic book shop only seems to sell Cool world comics and the whole wall and are we to believe That because of the setup in prison because he has a full draftsman's table and lamp Yes, and you tend everything he would need has he been just continuing to draw the cool world comic from prison Clearly, he's basically profit off of his own creation while in prison for having killed someone He's buying the backlog. I mean maybe it's like an OJ situation where everything he makes goes back to Because you think family of the money there's a Ron goldman type family scenario I don't know because he is living in a shack He's living in no he's living in like a he's living in like a nice house June a shack that's a shack That is if you think that is a shack that is that that's crazy because he's living here perfectly lovely ranch house in the valley No, not the valley is the outstretched of Vegas the outskirts of Vegas. Yeah And by the way, that's 1992 but the movie starts in 1945 So then the movie really does take a big jump from 1945 to 1992 after the first five minutes because Frank Harris that's Brad Pitt's character is escorted in there after a very Of setting opening and I know this is not a kids film But it's a PG 13 movie in which they show a motorcycle getting into a head-on collision with a pair of aggressively drunk drivers also I guess in the first Vegas casino The mom and him go flying off in different directions although the mom is not that battered for flying off a motorcycle um, and he goes through a terribly Obsiting bout of PTSD thinking he's back in the war He's calling for a medic no medics arrive Uh, and then he's just kind of sucked into the cool world and then we never Know what happens for or we we don't see the 50 years that transpires After that like no, we just jump straight ahead and when we when we good we jump straight ahead to Gabriel burn in prison drawing Hollywood in prison and then we go into cool world And Brad Pitt is still there. He's been there for 50 years and now he's Cool world's number one detective But here's the issue that I had he He could leave cool world at any point. So why did he not leave cool world like this at one point He decided to go out and understood at the end And it was because At the end when he's faced with the reality of having to go back to the real world in order to get Hollywood and Gabriel and then in order to get Hollywood back Um, he doesn't want to go back to the real world because it means he has to face The and the accountable for the killing his mother I think he didn't kill her though. He was like it would that if it be one thing if he was irresponsible He was hit as he was irresponsible. You don't put anyone on a motorcycle without a helmet This is 1945 June. It's this is a time where it's funny little helmets I have helmets. I think in 1945 there are more The latest little helmets. No, no, no, I think there are casual rules Don't put an aging woman like that on the back of a motorcycle just for fun Of course it was his fault Anyone who gets on a motorcycle has a death wish. I'm so sorry June I'm telling you that this is 1945 he just come home from the war. He loves his mother so much Regardless of safety protocols. I think perhaps it is just the guilt of having Yes, he said he'll let go to encourage just mother to come out for this joyride and then it led to her death I think and why was he driving that fast? No, no, he wasn't that was those other people the drunk driver is that false? He was driving pretty fast. We cannot lay blame at the feet of gravity or the drunk driver Jayson Yes, I mean, they're so Brad Pitt is not if you had told me he was going out for groceries and his mother happened to be in a car I would say of course he should completely let this go. This is a horrible accident that happened He got on a motorcycle with his mother June in I was worried for the accident happened that she was just gonna fall off and die June in 1967 that's when the government said that you needed to wear a helmet 1967 this is 20 years before that they There's a thing I think you are looking at the I agree with you The fucking sense that I agree with you, but I think they are he and his mother are acting a pro period appropriate. Yes Period on so I'm not yes, we can only look at it through the lens of What would people saying doing in that yes, and they are doing that? But the drivers are truly the villains of this moment. I am mainly the death of his mother at Brad Pitt's feet because of no helmets Not alone, not no helmet. There weren't that just didn't exist like the reality is yes He's a great option. Don't get on a motorcycle Do you ever see the great escape? You ever see the great escape? The great escape there running motorcycle the Come on coming at it from an emotional point of view not in culpability or blame point of view for him from an emotional point of view I'm not trying to legally Litigate who it was wrong here from an emotional point of view. I understand why Brad Pitt is afraid to go back to the real world and face the reality of what happened to him I understand that but that's 50 years of dealing with that kill 50 years There's a weird thing going on here to me it seems like I mean, why do they even need a police officer there? They're dropping andvils on things people are milking their own breasts like Like cars are hitting people like what is a police officer doing there? He's also his badge says 001 or 01 so he's the first Cool world police officer which is Is that what I kept on wondering like what is the letter of the law in cool world like what is he upholding? It's only is he only making sure that noids don't have sex with doodles because he's the only human there He's the only noid so what is he protecting anyone from tell himself? Yeah, that's all he has to do and but he's and he's adhering to that because correct me if I'm wrong, but He's while interact while hollywood the Kim based your character is You know Represented as like the Just is it just what's is it Jessica rabbit like the what's the carry Hollywood is she's a femme fatale in the world Shell of cool world. What's the is it just a rabbit and who framed around your rabbit is that or not? Yes It's just yeah, but also in cool world. There's no agreed upon animation like her animation is wildly different than everybody else's animation. Oh yeah Well, that's and I will say there was stuff that I liked about I wish yeah, I liked that person We'd lived in cool world frankly. I wish we'd understand the rules of Cool world better because once they leave cool world and go back into Vegas I'm like I don't care about any of this the see I disagree with my favorite part of the movie was seeing Holly wood and seeing Kim based and her like be a doodle in the real world like to me that's a movie I would watch you were having so much fun at that point. I wanted to see her going to Starbucks and ordering a coffee I just wanted to see her Out in about in the real world She she got very southern in the real world like that southern accent was kicking in the real world apparently according to some of the lore around the movie In the middle of shooting Kim basinger decided that she wanted to make this a children's film that she could show kids in hospitals and so she made a very Strong move to start like Sanding off the edges of her character a little bit And so I do believe that she does feel like she's in a different movie And I feel like that's an active choice of Kim basinger just being like I'm gonna melt I thought she was great. She's great. My mom's as alien my stepmoms an alien. She can play physical comedy really really well I mean, let's be let's not mince words Kim basinger's amazing. I mean like there is yeah There is you'll get no arguments from she was great in cellular I mean what a movie did she's been and then she's not to mention like the actual movies that are Hollywood confidential movies that are truly good guys exceptional movies She's very talented my the juxtaposition for for me here was I found the storyline when it was inside of cool world to be easier to follow Then outside of cool world If you found if you found it easier to follow I want to ask you questions. So Nothing it made the stories. Nothing it made sense. Okay, but then I just understood a little bit more the Some of the rules, you know, right and I'm not I'm not asking it in a way of like I'm not asking it in a way of back No, Jason. You don't know what you're talking about. I'm simply asking like I don't know if I understand it Can you please help me? Is it the idea that Brad Pitt's number one job is to make sure that Kim basinger Doesn't fuck annoyed and his Kim basinger been trying to bring other noides in because it seems like he says to her like I am checking in on you. I know what you're trying to do and and and so she Has some sort of magical powers which we're not really sure about that she's bringing In Gabriel burn you got over here So why couldn't he make it over there or for that matter why couldn't I You could help me There'll be no crosshairs while I'm around I've got news for you pal. I am not your ordinary doodle I've been checking up on what these noise games have got going in the real world and I wanted it seems like the Gabriel burn scenario Has been going on and off You know like he and where were those guys coming from and why were they what Gabriel burn seems to be able to get it's okay now again these are rules I decided for myself because I just needed my You set out like a Just a book of rules for every movie you watch yeah, I write a rule book and you know someday I'll publish them all Just so you can get through the enjoyment of the movie yeah, but this movie this movie does require you to make a couple of Decisions for yourself because I wrote down a few times here. I don't even know it to write yeah Like I like you're you're in you're in a world where you're like no one's leading me by the hand I rewind there was a couple of times where it moved to a different scene and I was like oh wait a minute What was I supposed to learn from that previous scene and I would rewind it rewatch that scene and be like oh I don't know I don't know why nails getting trapped in the fountain pen is like Dangerous. Yes. No, well, I was again. What is that pen somehow the somehow the existence of free floating ink is dangerous is like a threat Well because it like to me I always thought the idea was that they could be erased Paul you're holding a pen up right now on zoom and I don't know if that's a threat or not Well, are you a doodle if it is if you're a doodle? I mean, but like at one point Brad Pitt like on Texas pen out goes This is a weapon here. Then he shoots ink into nails is like liquor cup and he drinks it and nothing seems to happen What you do with this dude? I'm a cartoonist I drew all this I have vision This place he's just with or without you you believe me, right? I'm not one of your creation I'm not pretty Good one Right? Yeah wrong round here sit down round here. This can be a big nuisance You thirsty nails Get it one should be careful how they wave this thing No, I don't get it of course you don't get it because you're a whack and do And around here everything goes everything except one thing No, it's do not have sex with doodles right? No, it's do not have sex with doodles You think she's got a thing for you know you Sweet But don't flatter yourself. She's a waste of ink Oh, yeah, truth is And after me and every other noise who's come through here just said no one's been insane enough to get involved with You keep your pencil in your pocket You know what I mean okay, so you guys know right okay We all grew up. I'm sure watching loony tunes cartoons You know the episodes every once in a while there would be an episode where the animator Bugs would talk to or daffy duck would talk to the animator and and the animators hand would come in an erase Daffy ducks beek so he couldn't talk anymore or would or would the hand and the pencil would come in and fuck with The the drawing right and it would break the fourth wall of animation to presume Someone else is controlling us. We are done. We do not have free will right? We are not right We are not characters that exist. We are the cat. We are the mouthpieces of this god like other hand right It's not a space jam world where these characters are shooting their own tv shows and acting yes What what I what I expected was Gabriel burn would be that Character that character and he even says to Holly would at one point Can I erase you or I can erase you like he's he makes a threat almost yeah Like I can erase you Which confused me because I was like oh is that because that's a story I can get on board for you know the creator of a world Get sucked into it and has to You know through his knowledge of the world he created figure out either how to get out how to make the world better whatever But Brad Pitt's presence Really fucks that whole thing all up because it appears as though it's Brad Pitt's movie Not Gabriel burns movie and that's when I couldn't figure out who are the gangsters working for why is it like a Classic 1940s new R with a femme fatale and the bad guys and the cops chasing after them and the dams and the Lyle honestly like somebody took and I know that this is like a probably a hacky thing to say But like someone took the beginning part of one script and then another part of script Just kind of merge them together because the first 15 minutes don't mesh you you're introduced to something and then they reset the entire table again It's you should just start in prison with him drawing her she reaches out and we're in like I don't even think we really even need the Brad Pitt character because even at the end the Brad Pitt character doesn't serve to save the day or Stop it. It's character has no arc Period no are he is not he is not a hero He is just along for the ride he There is nothing that he does the only Story point that we get and spoiler alert is that he becomes a cartoon. I mean that's it It's interesting there Gabriel burn and Brad Pitt are redundant Yes, redundant characters because they are both On some kind of a journey, but not but but but Gabriel burn is the only one who has real power and agency You know what I mean? He's the only one who can change it because he created it in a weird way But why doesn't he know Brad Pitt is there? Is what I couldn't figure out. I mean here's the thing. I connected more to Brad Pitt's journey because I did feel like Okay, here's this guy who's suffering from PTSD and is trying to Honestly accept reality as it is that he Is both not in the war and that a terrible thing has happened and I don't know if you get like I know what doc I know what doc what's his face says in the beginning But it did seem like the fact that he was so disoriented made him more and so unable to Like figure out what was real and what wasn't and still in such trauma over the war and what he had seen made him more susceptible to being Like sucked into this doodle world Like there was something about his brain and the way his meant what was happening with his mental health which made him Uh a prime candidate Is mental health I don't think his mental health was off until he was violently thrust off that motorcycle because he seemed to have come home from the war Perfectly happy. He was wearing that brand new suit. He had gotten that new motorcycle He seemed Happy go lucky unfazed by the war that he just fought only in that moment Did he is brain get a little bit jostled like I I see you're saying and I appreciate it That maybe it was just triggered by him being you know in this terrible accident But either way it did seem like there was this that he was Crime to get sucked into the doodle world But what I did like about his journey was the it did seem at the end like I don't know that he didn't have a purpose Like I kind of thought he went back to the real world to die there To become a doodle Like he knew going in Yes, I'm going to try to save the universe But I'm ultimately going to sacrifice my body and die So that I can become a dude. Why would he want to even save cool world like what is there just a hiding thought for him? I mean what is the threat lovely what is the threat that what is the threat that cool world and real world will just Because you know because what happens is you know once Gabriel burn Fox the Carti like so the one rule of cool world is Noids which is what like humanoid I guess is what it is right humans Cannot have sex with doodles period like that's the right that is the one enforced rule, but there's only one Human in cool world and that's Brad Pitt who is Abiding by that law to a degree now let me see this yeah That is his oh that is the one thing he can do in his job description and he's the only one that could possibly break that out Does the law this so that begs the question why does the law exist? Right because of happened. I mean there were doodles before I think they probably got really close where they're noids before Well, let's talk about the spike Because the spike is a children story that they tell the doodles about a doodle that escaped to the real world and put a spike in the top of a Vegas casino And if you take out the spike you're essentially taking the plug out of the ink well I mean, this is I don't even really venture to go this fucking bananas isn't that doctor? Isn't that doc whiskers did doc whiskers? Isn't that the whiskers? No vagus oh Oh No, cuz doc whiskers said I tried to touch the spike, but it was too powerful for me And then she says get out of here dummy. I'll do it No at the very beginning doc whiskers has the spike Right, oh, and he's using it to open the portal to tune world Whoa, I miss it. While that was happening. I was just screaming. Yeah I was just screaming uncontrollably and I was writing. Why does the spike look like sperm? It does it is an odd looking spike hit when I saw those cartoons show up I just started screaming. I mean, they missed that whole You thought June like what I love about this show is I get to watch many of film with June and She never knows what she's in store for. She doesn't she She is going in completely blind. So when June starts watching this movie I think you're thinking it's a 1940s of course Military man come home movie and so for you To have that pure reaction that you didn't even understand that cartoons are in it was one of the most joyous experiences I've ever had in my life see doc whiskers. Can you even imagine Jason? Were you aware there were cartoons in this idea? I was yeah, I knew this to be No, I had and I didn't see any I didn't see any artwork all of us. No, no I this must have been very unsettling it was and I had never seen this movie before And frankly, I've never seen who framed Roger rabbit before Oh really, which is interesting. Yeah, it's a great movie. I kept I kept what I was watching this being like oh I'm annoyed that I've never seen I'm annoyed first of all I just want to establish I am annoyed But I'm annoyed because I haven't seen who framed Roger rabbit and I feel like a bunch of us conversation wise Will be drawing comparisons and I was like fuck I'm gonna be out on that but I knew this to be a A cartoon world, but that it was I the thing that I redid remember about it was that it was dirty Like the the story around this when it came out was that it was dirty This came out prime blockbuster time for me when I was working a blockbuster And I never rented it, but it seemed like oh this is yeah like this is gonna be like The dirty who framed Roger rabbit although I never reached out to to get it I just think That we're trying to explain so much and the simple version of the film And I think it's actually a really great idea is like a creator being wrapped within his creation. I mean there was a John Candy movie Then called Delirious that was like that like he was a soap operator who gets like sucked into his own soap opera And he's gonna write his way out of it You know, I think stranger them fiction has an element of that like but like that's the simple way in The idea that not only that but what's even so much more compelling about it Which I think is such a great starting point is a man like let's maybe 10 and I don't again because we don't get into the murder and all the rest of it Like a man an imprisoned man who falls in love with the woman he's drawing And that is that is the the only way he can escape is into this fantasy world That's there's something quite compelling about that like as we and I will say as we Sit right now many people stuck in small places stuck in Quarantining prison like Conditions it is I can imagine a world of wish fulfillment of wishing to be Elsewhere a world in which there are no rules a world in which there is chaos a world any of that like that I understand that but yet when he gets there he seemingly is like in awe of it not like oh I know that this door opens up into this thing Yes, like it seems like he's a visitor in this world. He doesn't seem like he has any feels like the first time He gets sucked in is the first time he gets sucked in right you lose even the fun of the master is now in the world That's what I don't get you know like like that's why I feel like if the movie had been about Gabriel Burns character and his His like discomfort with wanting to have this Love with hollywood but the knowledge that to do so would potentially collapse both of their worlds That's a movie like unrequited love. This is what I don't understand why I'm pretty why Make him a murder. It doesn't yeah, why why don't make his wife dead his wife dead And they both dealing with grief these two men did the one with his what one with his wife one with his mother And they're both are looking for escape and they and they switch spots are there but they're both murderers But they were were coded were coded to tell us Brad Pitt wearing gray Which is like the heroes color scheme and Gabriel Burns only wearing black suits a black jumpsuit in prison and black suits on the outside like he is meant to be the bad guy and what I don't understand is why they don't seem opposed They don't they're not at odds. They are not like they It doesn't make sense to me The only thing that they're against is Brad Pitt's like don't fuck the person that you want to have sex with Um, but he doesn't abide by that rule. Paul the doodle the doodle. Yes. Sorry. You're right. Sorry I didn't mean to say that and I apologize to anyone out. Yes The doodles out there. Sorry to do doodles But I also feel like Kim Basinger Is character Hollywood and Hollywood if she could and she did Um, which I think was a tagline of the movie Yeah, um is the um Is that when she gets into the real world she starts acting like a child But she's very manipulative and she's living of it seemingly a very rich life in cool world like it's not like I've never touched anything before like you're in that world My stepmother is an alien. She's acting as if everything is brand new to her Where right and I understand that everything is tactile a lot that's new. She was too dimensional Well, yes she was but Here's what I don't understand. Yes, she was she was a drawing of course Yeah, but she's in a world of drawing. I was she able to for example This is where it broke down for me where I was really like I don't get the rules I understand you throw your book out the win book went out the window. I'm you know, guess what I'm rewriting the rules If it's like two-dimensional world fine and it is characters who yearn to be real Right, okay, but right when Gabriel burn falls in or Brad Pitt I can't remember what it is someone burns him with a cigarette So there is the ability for them to have Cause there's causality in their actions and reactions like they are not when he goes to touch her He is able to physically touch her. He is able to be burned by her cigarette right that it's not like they exist It's not like he is three-dimensional and they are two-dimensional. They it is Brad Cups his girlfriend's face like he puts his arm around his girlfriend He's in a car that's three-dimensional and then sometimes two-dimensional like it seems like everything is working Why in cool world are some settings and cars Practical real-life cars not drawings of cars That's and this is again, and this is like this is where I think the Roger Rabbit comparison Is really the only one to talk about where you can say the rules were very clean and clear This is what happens This is the world like here. It's a junk drawer of animation Everything is happening to the point that it just feels like they're just like more dump more shit into every frame It's it's a it's a met it's a mess of Of things styles Brad Pitt attitude can't fuck a tune A doodle why is it like why is yeah? How does he know that did his boss tell him has there been evidence of it before like what's Head did he do it once and it went poorly because here's the reality Brent Pitt's character has a girlfriend who wants to fuck And they can kiss and they can do other stuff. I guess but they can't kiss they do kiss They said they can get they can they can they can get close to it. Yeah, they do they can I mean in on the mouse Yeah, I thought that they like watch each other and masturbator something because she's like we can do something Yeah, are for sure mutual masturbating. They are for sure doing hand and mouth stuff But like and probably finger stuff, you know is it which I don't think they're doing that but like sex Sex makes it like a magic trick that you can then go to the real world I guess but I don't know well no then you become real but like but but if But if she becomes real like is she manipulating Gabriel burn this entire time does she just want to become real or does she love Gabriel burn of course Paul she's manipulating him. But why To become a real because I think it's like a note lady. I think she wants to become a real girl But she doesn't like have any feelings for this person who created her like no she's like get me Yeah, no, she just wants she just knows that he's a sucker that will fuck her when she gets to the real world She's like man Look at all these men and she wants to smell the man. She wants yeah, and is that frank than after junior? She's like let's make it is yes, it is yeah She said like she said like I can have I can have sex with any man in this room or something But then also in that scene She starts reverting back to her cartoon shape, but it's a different cartoon shape well they both start having like like fits or spasms of cartoon um of tune tune stuff like they both like Suddenly Gabriel burns hands are big giant like tune hands or whatever like they're having like um like tune episodes Yeah, like they're having like tune seizures And coming but I get that but why is she turning into a different tune when she just turned into her own tune again That's she's a different body I thought I actually liked that cartoon that doodle that she was turning into I thought it was really funny I just think she It almost felt to me like whatever that doodle was was An earlier version of Hollywood. Okay. Oh interesting. I thought it was just um I thought it was because they had broken this the barrier Like tune shit was just like happening to them like like freeform tune stuff like it was Not out of control basically, and that's why When when more tune stuff starts happening last Vegas starts to become people at slot machines start turning into Wolftune character and like and what I did like I like and I know like this movie I want to be very clear is not good and is It is Incredibly difficult to make sense out of yes But I found a lot of the animation stuff a lot of the animated chaos Fun like when I I guess is overrun by chaotic tune characters like that stuff was I enjoyed that like they did it was like I enjoyed the kind of But that to me what is I guess this is chaos. This is tune world invading Vegas got it. Okay But but my whole thought my thought about that is if tune world invades Vegas then it just becomes cool world right so Why would you want to create another cool world? Oh, I don't think I think it's like I think it's like um I think this is akin to a Multiverse story and that okay, you know and that if you Uh open a if once you start uh if you travel between Multiverse's and try if you go in it's just like you know Rick Remenders Black science or any number of of of of you know Multiverse specific comics or anything like this when you are when you're talking about Going between things the effects are catastrophic on both ends Like right so right so she doesn't she doesn't intend to create another tune role But she does want to get the spike for what reason maybe just to become permanently real that's Maybe maybe to destroy it so that like Is she trying to destroy the spike so that she can just be now so that nobody can come get her Hmm and bring it back I think part of it is I want to become real real but she is real real Hey, yeah, yeah, I don't know and I end and it bothers me that it's so Yeah, bothers me too. It bothers me too Here's the thing about cool world that is very true and it's also true for alternative comics at the time cool world is like sexual depravity Like it is a world of Lissiviusness like like it is like the the world that existed in like in the kind of In the alt comic worlds of like the 70s and 80s like it like like I'm talking like you know Crumb and all the stuff that was beyond was was a lot of like sexual Lissiviusness creating creating animated and cool And not cool, but animated the animated cool world aesthetic felt to me Like those 70s 80s Erotically charged Lissivius like cartoon like I'm trying to think of a couple of fritz the cat heavy metal all have this kind of stuff as a part of it And I do like that I like I'd like that idea like that is emerging of so many styles that there's like a frank Fizzetta kind of yeah images in the background then they're like simple loony tune images She's a little bit more of like a modern day Cartoon character like there's so many different things and then when when Gabriel burn and we haven't even talked about this And this would be you know we're getting towards the end here when Gabriel burn turns into a superhero that kind of looks like Like a traditional like shazam He looks shazam. Yeah, he's he's he looks like shazam basically got shazam's colors scheme And he looked like Gaston from the beauty and the beast and but why would he transform so crazily into that character that has nothing that looks like Him and I mean like is that what he's always wanted to be cool world doesn't seem to have um Superhero archetypes, you know, I mean it isn't like a cool. It is like a CD underworld like it's gangsters and and she's a she you know Like Hollywood seems to be like a gangster's mall and like everything the archetypes are 30s and 40s gangster movies. They're not like superhero stories. They're not silver age DC superhero world. They follow them find themselves in they find themselves in what looks like like a Noir it looks like a femme fatale setting up a dup to kind of get one over on them It's it's more like a it's more like a film noir in its kind of Setup she's just using Gabriel burn as leverage to get into the real world like that, you know blah blah blah all the kind of and the cops that are corrupt and everything Nobody's seen every and none of it seems though I'm grasping at all of the kind of little things to try and make order out of it But they're really there really is no Goal there's no states. No. There's no protagonist. There's no antagonist and there are no set rules So it's just a one I think visual stuff and yes, hunky Brad Pitt I think I think that they thought they could get away with what if we just made a movie where Jessica rabbit was more sexual and and and at the end of the day That's what they decided that they were commit to because this is a movie that I said it was pitches is very simple idea about basically An estranged daughter trying to kill her father that then the script is given to somebody else and they rewrite it Then it's given to somebody else it was supposed to be a horror film then it became a comedy film and then it went from Art a PG 13 Brad Pitt switched roles Brad Pitt was supposed to be the creator of cool world the comic book artist And Gabriel burn was supposed to be the detective and they switched then drew bear more dropped out And then can basing her came in then can basing her decided to switch and then frank bashti came to set and punch the producer in the mouth Like this movie was plagued from start to finish at the backstory of this movie is insane um and And it's it's a mess. It's and I think that what we're reacting to is Some editor was in a room going like I think This kind of can make sense a little bit because also it feels like the animation is done in a vacuum where it's like I don't even think Kim basing her is basing her performance on the uh what she does in animation in a real world I think that's two separate performance. Well, that's the thing is in in um Cool world She is clearly in command and in control She is She's playing everybody. She's the smartest person in any room. She is without a shadow of it. She's also like the the one of the most um Famous people. She's this she's this icon and she is the iconography she is the iconography of cool world really Yeah, she is it right so So it's such a powerful character that when she gets to the real world and instead it becomes more like my stepmother is an alien as if everything is like Uh, like discovery brand new it takes away some of what I It takes away some of her She is so often the driving engine in cool world because it's what she wants that we're seeing yeah And that when we come into the real world all that slows down and it becomes really Just like I'm not sure what's going on, you know like I'm not sure What the goal is I mean, I imagine if we had given her another week or two to just Like sit in her body and just experience like the fun the basic functions of a body You know, she might gain some of her confidence and power back But June, what do you think but do you think that she is is that different from being too dimensional or three dimensional because she's seducing him like she would So do like as a three-dimensional character. She she just seems so like she seems like that that scene with the neighbors come over She's having a hell of a time being a real person and is just enjoying it Um, and I think we're seeing her kind of on vacation where she's like got the thing she's always wanted So yes, she is a bit different and she's not as but I I genuinely enjoyed that part of the movie because I thought it was just fun at least and the rest of the movie was so grim to me and so With all these doodles like it was not I did not want to be in that doodle world Did not like it. I didn't like seeing those things flying by like it was all so unsettling to me By the way when they go to Vegas also disgusting like it's the only time I've ever seen Vegas in a movie that looks like Vegas in real life It's just like yeah dark. It's dim. It was not aspirational. It was not like Wow, it was a real Gross point of view of Vegas. It's not good. It the movie itself it has like Darkness with in within it, you know, I mean like the movie itself is not Pleasant, you know, like there's not there are no heroes to root for There it like everybody is Everybody has done and behaved reprehensibly, you know in some way shape or form Or feels they have, you know No and maybe that's part of it, but it was really It was a it was I don't know man. It was a Ha It was tough to watch, but I will say and again, I am just Straftically lonely. I really was like I would like to hang out with that animated Hollywood like She's looking great. This is but she's the villain Jason. She's the villain. She wouldn't want you should use you She is the negative point of a femme fatale you want to fall from the femme fatale That's what that's why the femme fatale is successful in leading The the the leading man down the road to disaster and ruin that's the that's what's great about an awar You know is is she oh believe me. I know as we talk about that on unspooled all the time What's that? Hi, so we talk about that on unspooled all the time you guys Have you guys wrapped that up now that the Covet has hit no it's actually going real strong. We're doing live shows We're really getting it out there. We're really having so much fun Just kind of breaking down these archetypes Really Pouring a lot of energy and effort into into doing unspool. That's cool. Yeah, we well You know, we got to get a lot of guests. It's hard to get guests for you know in the quarantine But we're just really trying to get the mode we're trying to get cool guests in the show That's really what the it's hard to get get well I mean June and I are right right right here. Sure. All right. Let's move on. Let's move on right now Can you hear away? So obviously we had opinions about this movie But there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions Oh So movie was a piece of shit Yet this person recommends it Tell me what is the message Maybe that art is subjective I need to second up in All right, so guys these are five star reviews cold from amazon.com the average rating of this movie Is 4.3 out of five stars there are 412 total reviews 67% are five star reviews only 9% are one star reviews Andrew's sysnell in 2019 writes I had of its time. I have never seen anything like it. This is why life is worth living all men five stars Don't know what that means oh man That all men I guess maybe like like this is why we'd all love to have someone like Kim bassinger I guess that's the point I think All right This one from destroy 777 From 2015 writes this bread pit is hilariously young five stars Very low bar for the five stars And there are some really interesting ones in here This one is A lot of these Douglas hell healthy my daughter loves cool world Genie emrasmus my daughter was looking for cool world. I forgot it existed. I bought it. It's perfect um, and then I wanted to read this final one for you here This is a little bit longer, but it's kind of great. It's from jc It was written in 2003 and it goes like this the title Cool world is meant to be a sarcastic quotation Holly seems to portray evil in the most appealing way There's a lot of evil going on in the background and foreground of this film throughout temptation I believe is the main subject, but there are other subjects tackled in the movie as well If you have only seen this movie once it deserves a second look And if you still don't get the message then I can only say that cool world is a reflection of the people who really are And it's ironic that so many people seem to hate this film You simply can't compare this to who framed that movie was a typical Disney flick cool world Is a satire of our society Five stars there's one line I didn't put in because I could know how to get it in here But this great world it goes this great line cool world is a complex film and it was written as a puzzle For people to figure out later on Wow I think that five stars. I do think you can look at cool world And I'm sure the writer somehow this was the writers like Ha ha I do think cool world slash You know it's not for nothing her name is Holly would I think cool world and You know hollywood are supposed to be like You know Hollywood Los Angeles like I think it's supposed to be it should have been Los Angeles instead of Vegas though It's exactly it's I think it's meant to be a Place of avarice and vice like it is where you push down all of your Grossest urges and desires because that seems to be what the people of cool world Concern them everybody in cool world is a bad guy Everybody is a villain everybody is a crime boss ever there are no in cool world you never go to like a light venue you never go to like a place right place the all of cool world is cd And gross and dangerous and people are duplicitous and liars and nobody can be trusted I don't get it like I don't understand What the movie is trying to show me About humanity or about ourselves. I don't know what it's meant to show me about relationships I don't know what it's message or theme. I don't know what the theme of this movie is well I mean do you think that we should listen to JC and like watch it a couple more times and see if we can unpack it Here's one thing I will say and I'm very Very reluctant to say this I don't want to say this But oh no This movie is as close to a Jacobs ladder scenario as I've seen In a very long time You know guy gets hit in the first scene on a motorcycle He first goes into War time flashbacks and then as he's dying he This cartoon thing that he's aware of this comic book or whatever he just admit I'm so sorry. Is he dying though? Is he dying he could have been I mean he was hit he was hit head on the studa baker his mom Yeah, mom dies, but he doesn't look like he is sustained. He's talking. He's conscious. He like Get over to her. He doesn't look like he is sustained like Devastate I agree But we might but the mom only has a little bit of blood coming out I think yes, of course right, but like I'm also saying he's mentally fractured. Yeah, you know like maybe this Maybe it's not a Jacobs ladder scenario. Maybe if they oh how about this if they pulled back at the end And he was like in a mental institution just drooling on himself Would and the and the cool world comic book was in his lap would you be like? Oh, that's what this all was. Yes, but by the way here. Here's a better version of this story I don't know if either of you remember there there's a TV show back when I was a kid called amazing stories I just kind of came out with again an apple TV, but there's a great episode About like a a World War one a World War two pilot they're in a bomber and he's an animator or an illustrator And they're being under they're under attack and he starts drawing like a wheel for the plane a cartoon wheel And it becomes real and he actually saves the day like the plane lands Like on this cartoon wheel like he's able to like take his drawing into the real world And I think the problem with this movie is We are introduced to a lead character like that opening scene like if he's been getting through the war by making these comics Great like if he is the original artist if he's the Stan Lee and then Gabriel Burnt took over after he died Comics sure. Yes, like let's see him some connection. Let's see him first in a fox hole Everything's going crazy around him and the only thing he's clutching is that comic and then listen if we knew his mom bread comics Waiting for him So many ways to go, but I guess the question that only matters is would you recommend it Jason? I'll let you go first Would you recommend this film? You know, yeah Yeah, I'm gonna say yes. I mean, it's a fucking weird movie It's a 180 there early on you said you would it and now you've come back I think that this move this conversation. Maybe it is a puzzle that we're unlocking. I would I mean like this is I think It's it is Hmm Listen if you've listened to the podcast and you've gotten to this point and are waiting to decide whether to watch it I think you know what you're in for so I say yes watch it because I think there's a ton of And then that's on you. Yes, that's on you I think because because there are huge problems with it structurally huge it really is a Confounding jumble of nonsense, but within that I think there is some incredible Ralph Bakshi art I think there is some incredible animation. I think there is really fun weird side characters side Bits of physical comedy in the cartoon world that are fun and interesting to watch like I was still drawn to watch it It wasn't um It was annoying me because it was confusing and needlessly so But I would I would recommend watching it for its Look look there are not many movies that do this you know, there are not many movies that attempt this big swing This is without question a failure in no way is this a success But there's something about it that if your expectations are this is gonna be a mess But there's interesting stuff in it then I I'm always I always think Listen Also, I will say wolf watch Ralph Bakshi's the Lord of the Rings it like it's So interesting, you know, I mean, it's like like this is a master at work So it's it might not be a good movie But there is there is somebody incredible doing doing stuff in it that being said it's bad It's a bad movie. It's not worth it And if you are watching it and are like I don't understand what Jason's talking about. I hate this. Please feel free to turn it off Jen Yeah, I agree. I mean, it's something to see it's something to rest your eyeballs on and and that's kind of it So for me, I don't care for animation. I don't it doesn't yeah, I've never connected to it. I just don't Um, again, I love to frame brighter rabbit, but I don't I'm not gonna watch something for the animation and so I just didn't really nothing dazzled me in that world. I love the transformation of of Hollywood into a real person Um, and I liked her in that in I liked her Performance and I thought there were some really fun moments when she became a human, but that's kind of it Um, it's a bunch of gobbledy-gook and doesn't add up to anything um again, I I just I really I can't I can't impress upon the audience enough Just imagine just watch watch the first I would say watch the first 20 minutes Um, after listening to this podcast and just think about what I went through having no context for what was about to happen And also watch the first 20 minutes and realize How little you understand what's going on. Yes, you know like there I was a full 40 I looked 40 minutes in and I was still like What's going on? What's the what story are they trying to tell? Yeah Maybe we're telling you if you watch this movie Know that it's kind of hard to wrap your head around so you can enjoy it and you can really kind of parse it out like you're not dumb for not getting it. We've just been watching over you. Yeah, let it watch over you those movies that's a good like stoned watch. Oh, yeah, oh Absolutely visuals are delightful and funny and weird and crazy and you don't need to worry about the story because that's I think I don't know that's kind of what I feel like would be the satisfying part is the Is the tune is the cool world all the nonsense of the cool world like that like I loved You know, like it scratched a lot of my animation. It just like I don't know That seems like a bad building and they pan up in the building is like this huge circular tower And I was like yeah, I like that. I like I like dumb jokes like this, you know like that are That are fun, you know, um, you know what I wish they had done Yeah, but the movie is just like Tough stuff for Roni. You know what I wish they had done I wish they had more fun with like the dimensions of people like I wish Hollywood was either a lot taller than the humans or like kind of little You know, I feel like there were opportunities to just have more fun with humans being in that world And then conversely doodles being in the real world That those those opportunities were missed. I'm gonna put it down on my list of definitely watch it because Very rarely on this show am I this confounded or this kind of like wait what and There is a joy in the the amount that we have done this show Um to feel that like to feel it nonstop for the hour and 45 minutes it it really continues to turn a screw of uh Of confusion that I found it to be a unique film that I think is Above the fray and how crazy it is. You know what I'm saying the movies the movies that I feel like I find that I would not recommend Our movies that just do the thing and then it's all lateral moves from there. It's all just more of the same And it's like who cares boring, right? This movie Does not do that it changes the game and the rules every couple of minutes So that it really keeps you engaged but infuriatingly confused uh, I talked about as movie had like very Difficult like production issues, but the final straw was the promotion of this movie um The studio literally placed hollywood The character on the hollywood sign Like they built an extension on the hollywood sign with her and she's giant She is as big as the D in hollywood and she is sitting on the D And people freaked the fuck out Like that has never been done before like and I've seen some pictures of it You can google picture of hollywood on the hollywood sign That's people were angry this movie Angered people on every single level uh, I joked before about the tagline which I did know Um, but I will read it to you that the tagline of the movie is hollywood if she could and she will That's the tagline and the movie uh, the budget was 30 million dollars and it grossed 14 million And I think with that it's a perfect way to end and say uh Jason june anything you guys want to plug um June anything no, I just um I just want to say again I thank you to all of all of the nurses and doctors and everyone who's out there um working hard Taking care of of people right now especially in the health care industry. I'm just so appreciative. That's all I think there's a lot of great. There's a lot of great um I will echo june sentiment especially to the medical professionals the first responders people who are out there on the front lines of this You know um absolute catastrophic nightmare that we find ourselves in um, thank you. You're doing Absolutely, you know, incredible work uh, under unbelievable duress and in a scenario in which we find ourselves uh on a ship that appears to be leaderless and without any without any rules Thank you to people who are trying to make sense of what is going on um and you know the more that we can provide any solace distraction the more that we can through putting out podcasts or consuming things or whatever pointing you towards things that can provide some sense of relief You know like i know we've been hearing from people who are like grateful for the ability to kind of tune out The nightmare and the world and the news and just have a bit of fun and a bit of levity with the uh the I know i feel it when i see new episodes of my favorite podcasts pop up So hopefully we are that for you guys we're happy to be here and i'm glad that we are still doing it makes me happy to See you guys on zoom and talk to you guys about dumb movies that uh it might seem trivial or silly in this time, but i know there's Thousands and thousands of people out there who when they see our Podcast pop up in their podcast app know That they are excited to have this time with us and i am grateful for you guys and i hope that you know Especially those of you out there who are Working in those dangerous fields and are on the front lines of this I hope that you guys are Enjoying these episodes and know that we appreciate you well put Jason And i will and i'll just kind of continue this uh pass along of supporting all these amazing people I also i just want to give a shout out to all the delivery drivers the people that are waiting in lines and supermarkets to do You're supermarket shopping for you or to go to your target or working in your favorite restaurant So it doesn't close and you know the people that are working on the front lines of Of for lack of a better term Comfort like there are so many people that are out there that are are doing so much uh and And you know from FedEx drivers to To delivery people and and male workers and everything like that I just i want to give a huge shout out to them and they are spending a lot of time in their cars And i've talked to so many of them about having this on with them And so i really appreciate that i know for me Uh small businesses are really important I really want to make sure that if you're in your community we're trying to help whether that's ordering in a meal Once a week or if that's supporting your local comic book shop Which is actually something that i've been doing with my new marvel series that Jason's going to be on We're just talking about local comic book shops and how you can get out there and support them These small businesses that surround us that we maybe sometimes take for granted need our help right now So you know, I think there's a lot of ways to get in and support our community and a lot of these small businesses are really Operating and a very dangerous small margin. So they are really under threat and And I think there's also to you know um a lot of A lot if you are in a position where you are able to Give money to places There are places that need it, you know like we did a big mouth table read that benefited feeding america dog org the Parks and Rec episode that aired last week Raised millions of dollars for a couple of different organizations So like there are and those those things remain Up on youtube. They are they are things you can watch an episode of parks and rec a new episode You know there are things that you can watch for entertainment sake, but that are also Giving you an opportunity to donate directly to well-vetted well-sourced charities that need your money And by the way, we are also doing that here at how did this get made? We have two shirts that are all the proceeds go to feeding america. 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It's gonna be a great episode And also I want to thank everybody here at your wolf for all their tireless work of putting This show together not only The people that work on the show like avarola and nate and molly every week But the people that are literally keeping your wolf a float and that is our producer kody and our engineer devin Our team is absolutely amazing july I'm sure everyone is going through a lot of stress and the way that your wolf has kind of Jumped in and like what Jason was saying like continue to produce these podcasts and made it easy for people to produce these podcasts Has just been absolutely mind blowing. So I just want to say I thank you to all of them essential workers indeed and We will see you next week on the mini episode Make sure that you give me a call at 619 p.a. You well asked 619 p.a. You well ask you talk about cool world You can explain what I got wrong or you just talk about your personal life. I solved problems on that thing So uh give us a call 619 p.a. You well ask and that will be next week for the mini episode about cool world We will see you next episode bye for now I'll see you next week