Girls Gone Bible

We're Back Baby | Girls Gone Bible

44 min
Mar 13, 2026about 1 month ago
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Summary

Angela and Ari return from a month-long hiatus to discuss Angela's recent breakup and the spiritual lessons learned through suffering, emphasizing that healing requires daily commitment to faith practices like communion and scripture reading. They address speculation about their friendship and clarify that their evolving relationship is normal as their lives have changed, while encouraging listeners to find strength in Jesus during difficult seasons.

Insights
  • Suffering and grief are essential spiritual refinement processes that deepen faith rather than signs of spiritual failure or abandonment
  • Daily spiritual disciplines like communion, prayer, and scripture reading provide tangible healing even when emotions feel numb or overwhelming
  • Vulnerability in leadership requires boundaries—not all personal struggles need public exposure; sometimes healing requires private covering
  • Friendships naturally evolve as life circumstances change; maintaining connection doesn't require constant physical proximity or identical schedules
  • Mental health challenges like OCD can persist even after initial healing experiences, requiring ongoing commitment rather than one-time solutions
Trends
Christian content creators addressing mental health stigma within faith communitiesEmphasis on embodied spiritual practices (communion, physical prayer) over purely cognitive faith approachesNormalization of leader vulnerability while maintaining healthy boundaries around personal crisesGrowing audience expectation of constant content from creators, creating pressure around taking breaksIntegration of therapeutic language and practices (therapy, nervous system regulation) within Christian discipleship frameworksShift from 'prosperity gospel' messaging toward theology of suffering and redemptive painAudience parasocial relationships creating speculation and concern when creators reduce visibilityDaily spiritual habit formation as primary mental health intervention alongside professional therapy
Topics
Relationship grief and breakup recoveryChristian theology of suffering and redemptionMental health and OCD management through faithSpiritual disciplines and daily practices (communion, prayer, scripture)Friendship evolution and life transitionsCreator burnout and taking breaks from contentVulnerability in leadership and public figuresParasocial relationships and audience expectationsNervous system regulation and trauma recoveryJob narrative and biblical sufferingSpiritual arrogance and humilityTherapy and mental health supportWomen's health and PCOS managementCooking and self-care practicesHigh school nostalgia and personal growth
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People
Philip Anthony Mitchell
Referenced for biblical teaching on Job's suffering and God's protection of believers during trials
Quotes
"Picking up your cross, denying yourself, following Jesus, the invitation in being a Christian is not come have a good life. It's come and die. And there is always resurrection on the other side."
Angela
"Every day I die a thousand deaths. And there's a version of Ang in the situation that died. And since then I've been dying a thousand deaths every single day."
Angela
"True faith is you never stop having those conversations. You never stop being vulnerable and that intimacy with Jesus. You can be mad. You can fight, but you keep doing it."
Angela
"No feeling is final. The clouds will part. The sun will come out. It one day it feels like it's all of a sudden, but really it's been happening gradually. You just can't see it yet."
Ari
"All I have is today. All I need to get through is this moment, even 10 minutes from now. I don't need to think about this is the only moment that matters."
Angela
Full Transcript
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They used to make fun of me because of how much makeup. Really? Something's having changed because they still do on GGB fraud. Hey guys, come on. I think we've definitely lightened it up on the makeup. Would you say? We have, huh? Maybe not actually. Well, no, because on camera you have to wear more. True. Thank you for saying that. We love when we talk about makeup. What was like, if you could go back to one thing back then, what would it be? What was a core nostalgic memory? I don't know if I have a core nostalgic memory. Again, I didn't really go to high school. I mean, I went. Guys, I don't know if I ever told this, but my dream- Did you drop out? No, I didn't drop out. I graduated. I have dreams still all the time that I didn't graduate high school because in real life, I was in 12th grade and I was passing all my classes. I was getting good grades, but first period was economics and you had one credit of economics. Is it economics? No, not economics. What is the class about money? We didn't have that at WayMeth High. They didn't do that. It's pretty cool to be teaching. I think it was economics. Guys, tell me, is that the class that's about money? It was the one, you only have one credit of economics and you have to pass it. To graduate high school. Did you go to some private school or something? No, I went to two different public schools. I was bouncing around. It was first period in 12th grade and I missed first period every single day, obviously, because I had things to do. I wasn't waking up early. I needed to get a coffee. I needed to take my time. I usually would get to school at around third period every day. Yeah, I don't know how. At noon? Yeah. I would, and then I was in three theater classes and my teacher would get so mad at me and be like, Angela, you can't skip every class but just come to theater classes. And I'm like, I don't want to go to school. Did you always get the role? No, I never got a role. She never gave me a role. Because you couldn't sing? Because I couldn't sing and I just think I was not... You were a bad boy. I was a bad boy. You were a bad boy. Bad boy. But economics, I don't know how I passed because I never went. I actually think my teacher let me pass because he liked me and we were kind of homies. No, not in a weird way. He was just my friend. This is getting weirder and weirder. He's so weird. Is he involved in Epstein? What? I don't even remember. I had some diddlers at my school, though. You had some diddlers at your high school. So yeah, some diddle bum teachers. Aria, we have to... Get it together? No, we've got to take him down. I know. He was a creep. He was a real creep man. What is going on? He was so creepy, man. Was he creepy, man? He was a creepy man. I should find out if he still works at that school. He's crazy. I don't know how I'm going to be with my kids. I'm not letting my kids sleep at anyone's houses. I'm never letting my kids sleep at other people's houses. Anyways, so go ahead. Anyways, so I was in my capping gown at graduation. I'm putting my leggings backwards. That's for rats today. Yeah. My leggings, I put them on backwards. I saw it and I didn't care and I left the house. So I'm in my capping gown at graduation. My whole family is there. I'm waiting in line going, I don't know if they're going to call my name. I don't know if I'm graduating because I know I failed economics. I know that I didn't go to that class. I like took two tests and failed them both because I didn't know what was on the test. Anyways, I am not advocating for not going to school. School is so important. The reason I say this, two things. I constantly have dreams that I'm in my capping gown with my family there and I'm not graduating. It's torturous. And then the other thing I was going to say to answer your question, if I could go back to high school for one thing, it would be to go to my history classes and actually learn because now I care so much about history. I care so much about the state of the world and war. You know, you can watch the news. We don't be putting that on. Ari every week goes, you get a kick every week and she calls me so mad at me going, Angela, we have to watch the news. And I'm like, okay, I'm going to put on the news baby. We don't even know. You want to learn about like George Washington and stuff? Like I don't know what he did. I'd be looking like him in the morning time. Me too. Like really? And that's why I could never live in the South. It's just like we're being absolute no go. Oh, and what? You have never, hang on. You have never, oh, and me. What did I say? It's my one moment to be smart. Wait, you know that they don't have beaches in the South though. Like Florida? You know what's funny? 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Okay, do you want to ask me? Oh, I'm so sorry. What is your problem? I do core memory. I'm sorry, what's your core memory? Okay, here's mine. I have a couple, but the first thing that comes to my mind is, remember those little, what is it called? I need you to explain it first before you ask me what it's called. I know. I always do this. What is the word? The phones that... Sidekick. The sidekicks. The sidekicks. And so every time you would call me, it would be like Gucci Meng or like Usher. It would be like a song and you'd be like, I can't come to the phone right now. And I miss the sidekicks. And then the no-keas with the beep-beap. And so you'd have like a little walkie-talkie and you'd be like, what's up? You don't remember that? No. It's not in your era. You don't remember the no-keas? Do you remember the no-keas? I just miss like going to the... Like every weekend, it would be like the movies of the mall. Movies of the mall. Your little Abercrombie low-rise jeans. I couldn't afford Abercrombie, so I'd get the Abercrombie at Marshall's. Love? Yeah. We love a good Marshall situation. I still go to Marshall's. It's like my place. Marshall's is amazing. Home goods is so expensive. Why not just go to Marshall's? Home goods. Home goods sells furniture. No. Yeah. No. Home goods sells... Home goods sells... Like home decor. Right. Marshall sells home decor. Oh, I'm talking about clothing. Sorry. I'm so sorry. Anyways, so yeah, miss all that. Well, we can recreate it now. The old music. The old music. The jams. Ashanti. Ashanti, I think. How do you sing foolish? See my days are cold. Days are cold. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. See my days are cold without you. But I'm learning how to deal with you. And now my heart can take no more. I can't keep running back to you. Anyways. Anyways, that was fun. That was fun. Guys, I just want everyone to know I'm so sick. Again, I'm so mad. Who got me sick? What is it now? What is it now? I just have a cold. Just a little head cold. I was telling Ange, I don't swallow pills. So it's like, I just like have been avoiding vitamins for years. Finally, I learned how to take a pill, which you've been. How'd you learn to just bend over like this? You put it in your mouth. It goes right down. I've always needed like a friend to be in the room when I have to swallow a pill. It's something I've never seen in my life. Like she, she, she like convulses as she has to take a pill. I can't stop right here. I'm like, I can't breathe. Anyways, finally learned how to swallow pills. I'm on day three of taking, I take like eight vitamins a day. Wow. And I don't know if it's like psychological all in my head, but I'm feeling like my brain's more clear. Love. I'm feeling good. I love that feel. But it's so important to take vitamins. I can't believe I'm just now taking them. Yeah. You've been taking them. I feel like. I take vitamins on and off. Like I always have them right there, but then I forget for three weeks and then I'll take them again, but I take like an Omega, a multivitamin. I take some stuff from my brain. That's why my brain. See, I love, I love, I love like brain pills. They're so good for you. Yeah. I should have been taking them with all the brain fog. I cultivated through what I went through. Yeah. I'm telling you, when you go through something so traumatizing. Oh yeah. And so on your nervous system, you have like such brain fog. You know how people say you can't out exercise a bad diet? I think about that a lot because the same thing is true for your multivitamin guys. It's not here to replace the good things you're already doing. It's here to support them. And that's honestly why we love Ritual. We take our essential for women's 18 plus every morning, two little capsules, and there's actually a minty essence in the bottle, which makes it something that you'll look forward to instead of dread. 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It's so true. Another thing that's happened in my life lately, I've taken on cooking. No. Yes. No. Listen to me. Linda. Listen to that. Listen, Linda. What does Linda mean again? Nothing. Well, I mean, it means pretty in Spanish, but listen, Linda. Listen, Linda. Listen. It's a video. I. So during our time off, I really just started to cook meals. Good for you. And I am obsessed. It is my new thing. It's my passion. Never been a cooker. I have, it has become so therapeutic. So I know I talk about this a lot, but I have PCOS and it's probably, I probably don't take care of it the best of my ability. So I love sweets and I love to go to dinners, but even at nice restaurants, we don't know really what they're cooking with. So I started during our time off, I would just make like, I would look up recipes and I started making them. And I actually. I love that. I got so good at it. And now it's just become like my little therapy. And every day I'll look up a new recipe on Pinterest and I started baking and I feel so good. That's so fun. I'm making smoothies in the morning. I mean, I used to wake up every day, go get a smoothie, get lunch. And it's like, and I think it's good to like, to even a girlfriend told me she was like, before I became a wife, I started to prepare to be a wife. And so I would start like looking up recipes and cook by myself and with my mom. And I was like, that is so good. Like that's such a good insight because I'm like, yeah, because when I get married, I want to know how to cook meals and like be able to do that. And so why not do it now? Yes. Before I'm married. Dude, that is so Proverbs 31. It's insane. I'm like a little Proverbs. So you know what? You're preparing. Not feeding the goats in the morning, but anyways, hi guys. I'm Ange and I'm Ari and this is girls gone Bible. We are a faith based podcast where we talk all things spirituality, mental health, the Bible. What we talk about is rooted in our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. We are a Christian podcast where we are in a journey with you guys going through life, moving through joy and pain and suffering and the highest of highs and the lowest of lows coming back to one thing, all of us. We all are living our very own lives going through our own situations. All of our journeys are so unique, but we all are anchored in the very same thing. And that is the death, the burial and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I think that's so important to say. We have a lot to talk about today. You guys, we've been gone for a little while and you guys want to know what's up and we're going to tell you what's up and we just want you to know we're so happy to be with you guys. We missed you. We missed filming. We missed feeling connected to you. I think it definitely shows us when we take time off, like how deeply connected we are to all of you, even though taking time off was the best thing we could have done for ourselves. Like we truly missed you guys so, so, so much. Yeah. I think that's, I said that too early. I was like, I know this is our purpose because even though it was so nice to rest, all I could think about was just being back here with you and like with them and it's just, I've missed it so much and it's so good to be back here. It's so good to be back. I can't believe we took one month off. It's the first time in three years that we've taken that much time off. We took Christmas, but that was the first time. Yeah. Yeah. All right guys, we're just going to get into it. We're just going to talk to you like BFFs. We have so much to talk about. Where do we start? Ari and I have been walking really interesting journeys, both of us individually at times together. The first thing that we want to let you guys know about is something that I've been walking through recently. I've been through a breakup and this is something that I would have loved to keep private because it is such like a private situation. However, because you guys are people and I've let you guys in on that quite a bit. I'll just say this about the situation. We loved each other very much and we tried so hard to make our relationship work and it just ultimately didn't work and that sucks. It's been a really interesting journey that I've had to go on. Something that I will be letting you guys in on as time goes on is just the process of grief and what that's like. As I come on here today, I have to say I don't have some big beautiful message on grief and loss and how to walk through that because I'm just stumbling through it as I go. Ari and I filmed early on into the process and I mentioned it. As I was editing that episode on a Thursday before releasing it the next day, I just felt the Lord be like, you don't need to expose this right now. I want to cover you as you heal. I felt this really intense covering of Jesus. Just being like, you don't need to do this in front of people. This doesn't need to be exposed. This is just for you. Vulnerability is amazing but you don't need to exploit yourself and your process and I was like, absolutely. What if your Jesus is shaped more by culture than by scripture? We've created a personalized savior who exists to meet our individual needs and bless our lives. We've given him into a life coach, a therapist for our anxiety, a political ally even. That Jesus is safe, manageable, convenient. He fits comfortably into our lives without disrupting them too much. 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I just have new perspective that I'm really grateful for because my journey with Jesus was I was in a really bad place, really bad mental health, and literally, supernaturally, Jesus began to heal me from the inside out. Scripture renewed my mind. I had the most beautiful romance with Jesus where he swooped in, rescued me, and I think that's a lot of people's story. When they first meet Jesus, it's this radical, incredible, you've never experienced anything like this before. And so as I've gone throughout my journey following Jesus, I've experienced periods of suffering and I remember being saved and what that was like. And I think this has been an interesting process because I'm like... Did you know fast growing trees is America's largest and most trusted online nursery with thousands of trees and plants and over 2 million happy customers? 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What does that look like? Again, I think we have such an emphasis on like the radical of healing of Jesus when He first finds you and it's this like incredible honeymoon thing and you think you're going to be good forever. And like I was healed from anxiety. I was healed from panic attacks. I was healed from OCD. I'm battling lots of OCD. I will say that showing up every day is what changes everything. Showing up, spending time with Jesus, even when it's painful, even when it's hard. Eventually the clouds do part. That's what I've learned that you might not notice immediately what's happening, but eventually it feels like I showed up every single day in that morning, taking communion, doing the things that I knew I was supposed to do, even though I didn't want to do them. And it's like all of a sudden you show up one day and you can see Jesus's face again and I'm continuing to heal. My mind is healing. I thank you, Jesus. I've turned a corner a while ago and it's been a lot different than it was, but I have to totally admit that it was not good and pretty scary and one of the hardest things I've ever been through. And yeah, I think I've had moments with Jesus where I've been really mad. Talk about that. I think I probably had a sort of arrogance to like, I talk about suffering so much. I have a theology around suffering. It's like the one thing that I encourage people with, it's the one thing that I actually am like, no, no, suffering is good. Suffering is good. That's where Jesus is formed within you is through the suffering and through the fire. But I've realized through the situation, I probably had a little bit of an arrogance of like, I've paid my dues with suffering. I've been through enough. And so that's been confusing. And the truth is in really intense situations like that and anybody else who's gone through anything, lost tragedy, whatever it might be, what I've realized more than anything is that like picking up your cross, denying yourself, following Jesus, the invitation in being a Christian is not come have a good life. It's come and die. And there is always resurrection on the other side. And this isn't like some cheesy like this is genuinely this is life. Like this is life as a Christian. It is constant deaths. Catherine Coleman says every day says, she said, every day, I die a thousand deaths. And there's a version of Ang in the, in the situation that died. And since then I've been dying a thousand deaths every single day. And I hope that the situation breaks every bit of idolatry that anybody could have about me or Ari about our lives. I mean, we tell you guys every day that we are just like you. And that's absolutely the truth. And any leader, pastor, preacher, speaker, any famous, like everybody walks through the same sort of thing. Everybody has to go on their own journey. Everybody has to continuously face situations that force them to die. And that sounds scary, but it is a good thing. It really is. And it never feels like it in the moment. So yeah, the last month specifically has been my most glorious time with Jesus. I mean, I've been spending praise God for the last month that we had off. I've been spending days. Like when I say days with Jesus, I mean like days where I'm like, I'm not doing anything except laying on the floor and you're going to love me. And we're just going to sit to like days, walk us through that, what that looks like. I'm sure so many people that are going through broken hearts. Yeah. It's like it looks different. You're intimidating. Right. Oh my gosh. It's just like you have to give yourself grace. This is what I've learned. I don't want to give myself grace. I want to overcome immediately what the situation has taught me the most. Like I have spent so much time being a strong version. Like any bit of false confidence, freaking arrogance, performance is dead. Specifically the last month. I have never felt more like a daughter who didn't need to be anything, you know, or perform. I felt the Lord literally the whole month being like, it's just been amazing to go into the secret place and not ask him for anything that I can go and offer. Just like it's just been so good for me to be like, I'm not here for anything else except for me and you. And so there's just in this season, there's just no performance. I don't want to be anything. I don't want to be anybody. I'm showing up as I am, which is messy as H E double hockey sticks. Can I say that? H E double hockey sticks. Am I like, am I like brain dead? What does that mean? As hell. Oh my gosh. H E double. Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, great. My makeup. No. H E double hockey sticks. No, seriously, guys, grief is a, it's also a word I can say. It's insane, but there's like, this is life. Girls Gone Bible is proud to be sponsored by Grand Canyon University, an affordable, private, nonprofit Christian university based in beautiful Phoenix, Arizona. They say higher education is outdated, irrelevant. GCU doesn't settle for the status quo. They shatter it. Grand Canyon University is one of the largest universities in the country. At GCU, academically rigorous industry driven programs are built to move at the speed of relevance with practical skills, career readiness and opportunity for every learner. As of December, 2025, GCU offered 380 programs overall, including 153 degree programs, 180 emphasis and 56 certificate programs. GCU believes education shouldn't be a privilege, but an affordable path forward for all. 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But I know we talk about spiritual discipline so much, but I always say like the real spiritual discipline is when you can become like a little child and fall into the ends of God. That's why like when I was going through my breakup, I was obsessed with Job and I cling to it so much. Oh, I read through Job in this interview during this time. Oh, it's like you cling to it because I could have waited to get to the end where God just gave him 42 chapters. I'm like, Lord, why? But if you like read through it, you see that he wasn't pretty in it. He kept fighting and saying just like put me in the grave. Like I'm ready for death and he would just like fight and weeping. He went through so much, but he never stopped crying out to God. He never stopped having conversations with God. And I think that's what true faith is, right? It's like, it's messy. It's numbness. It's saying I can't do it another day. It's like getting on a bed and like barely being able to walk and crawling like Job. Literally. It's accusing. It's getting mad. Like you said it God. Like I was mad at him and it's like, and even as you were saying that I was like, I remember my first episode when I shared my testimony and you asked me that question. Because I was deep in my suffering and I said, I hated him. And I remember as I went on my journey with Jesus, I, I dwelled a lot about what I said about him when I said that first episode. And then as I kept on my journey, I realized that like that was nothing that God couldn't handle. And that's what Job did. He was angry. He hated it. Like he went through so much, but true faith is you never stop having those conversations. You never stop being vulnerable and that intimacy with Jesus. You can be mad. You can fight, but you keep doing it. Exactly. Even if it's crawling on your hands and knees. I love that. I love that. I love that you bring up Job too because it's such a good, it's just such a good picture of the wrestle. The wrestle. Something that I've been doing every day. Communion is like communion is everything. Holy communion. I have communion cups. Maybe there's controversy around that, but I have a big bowl of communion. That's in my living room and I take communion almost every single day. And there is true healing within the body and blood of Jesus Christ. It's not just symbolism. Communion is like the presence of our Lord and savior. Jesus Christ is within that communion. And when you take communion, you are entering into union with him oneness. And it is literally, I just think it's important because this has been so crucial for me the last few months is when I feel nothing or I feel too much or I, all the things like this has been such a grounding healing thing for me. And I know that it's not just symbolically healing me. It is truly spiritually. Something is taking place. I take communion and I hold the body. And I just want to walk you guys through what my journey is like with that because it is everything that we walk through comes back to what Jesus did. Jesus's body. I always look at it and I always think about the fact that his body was broken and bruised and torn apart. So much so that scripture says that he wouldn't even been recognizable as a person. That body that was broken, everything that has broken me or that is broken within me. Jesus broke on his own body. And I break that bread as like a testament to like whatever's in me that's broken me is broken on the cross. Like Jesus already took it. And I take communion. And then I look at the blood and I'm like, this is such a huge deal. And I think what's been so crucial for me the last few months is looking at that blood and knowing that every drop was not in vain. And I tell that to Jesus that what I'm going through right now and what everybody in the world is facing and going through. This is the reason why your blood was spilled. And I tell him over and over again that it was not in vain. You know, and it's been sorry to cry about that guys. It's just so tender to me because it's like, it's literally why he died because he knew. He knew that his body was our only means for healing. And I'll never forget this time in my life because it's opened me up to the depths of the heart of Jesus and the reality of the cross in a way that I could have never experienced. So I say all that to say take communion every day and like declare that you are entering into oneness with Jesus. And it's been the most healing thing and I love Jesus. And then also know there's like a really messy, dark, ugly part of everything that I'm going through. And that is like, I've asked for like I've needed help at times and I've asked for it and there's no shame in that whatsoever. It'll be a continual process of healing that I'll let you guys in on at times and prayers would be so appreciated. And we're all walking through this together and there's beauty from ashes. There really, really, really is. And praise God for friends. It's pretty cool to hear these little stories that you tell me. It's like so crazy because I just, it's like I go, it's like I was there. Like I go back and to, to, I just, I understand and I hear you and it's like these moments where it's so hard to even breathe or grasp the day. And but then you have these nuggets like Joe where he at the end he was like, I saw you with my eyes. Like I feel like as you were telling me that like these moments with God, you're like seeing him. Exactly. And I just like, I remember hearing when I would hear people like, oh my gosh, I'm going through this horrendous breakup. I'm like, oh, no, no, no, I need to take the pain away from you. But now I'm just like, oh, something amazing is going to happen. That's why even like when we get messages from you guys and you're like, I can't take it like I'm going through the worst breakup. And I, and it's because of what I went through. I'm like, oh, get excited. Cause it's like how were the most brutal days where you truly don't feel like you're going to survive. Yeah. End up being the most monumental moments of your life. And then it's like every day, like even, I think we talk about it, like even if you get up one day and you brush your teeth and you just lay on your floor and you just cry out like each day is a step to healing more and more. Says Elijah was afraid and fled for his life. He sat down under a solitary broom tree and prayed, take my life. I might die. I have had enough Lord. He said, take my life. Like, oh, when I read that, I was just like, that is so what we go through. Take my life. Like I'm done. I can't take it anymore. For I'm no better than my ancestors who have already died. Then he laid down and slept under the broom tree. But as he was sleeping, an angel touched him and told him, get up and eat. He looked around and there beside his head was some bread baked on hot stones and a bar of water. So he ate and drank and then he went back to bed. Then the angel of the Lord came up again and touched him and said, get up and eat some more or the journey ahead for you will be too, will be too much for you. So he got up again. He ate and drank and the food gave to him, gave him enough strength to travel 40 days. Sometimes just resting, sleeping, getting up, washing your face, eating and like that. Like that, the story of Elijah shows us that sometimes we need to mourn and rest and cry. That's what we need. Like we forget that that's what healing is. It's resting. It's getting up. It's eating and like, well, like, but I did nothing today. Well, if all you did was bring your numbness and your, your, your nervous system that you can barely even function to Jesus, you did enough. Yes. Like you did enough. So good. And I remember like looking on social media when I was in such a bad time and like seeing everyone live their life and I just like could barely lift my head off my floor. And like when I look back at those times, like I was healing. And it was like God was like strengthening me and all through all those moments of like me on the floor and crying out and praying and like staying in when everybody was doing, like that was me healing. And I look back and I'm like, I'm the woman I am today because of that refinement period. I didn't know that that was refinement at the moment when I was like dying on my floor, but it was because I kept crying out. I kept reaching out. I kept like reading the Psalms. I kept just like laying and resting and that is healing and that's beautiful. And I'm really proud of you. Yeah. And I'll just say to anybody who's going through a hard time and I want you to truly, truly hear me. It gets better. It gets better. Every single day you are one step closer and it doesn't feel that way. In the moment, you have to remember that no feeling is final. The clouds will part. The sun will come out. It one day it feels like it's all of a sudden, but really it's been happening gradually. You just can't see it yet. So I'm asking you to take heart to keep strong, keep showing up in the secret place. Keep reading the word even if you don't want to keep doing the things that you know you're supposed to be doing. And it simply gets better. It has to like that's literally the truth. It has to get better. And I know that firsthand it gets better and easier. And your only job is to take things day by day. You don't need. Thank you. Jesus that he writes like, don't worry about the worries of tomorrow. They have trouble of their own only focus on today. It is the hardest thing I've ever had to do is only focus on today because my brain does algebra all day long figuring things out. We're in about tomorrow, but it's continually the one thing that I come back to of like all I have is today. All I need to get through is this, this moment, even 10 minutes from now. I don't need to think about this is the only moment that matters. And that's been crucial for my healing and I've done a lot of therapy. So, and again, thank God for friends. Friends are everything. Can we talk about how crucial it is to have to be around friends? Yes. And how God really will provide you with friends. Oh yeah. And a good support, the best support. Yeah. I had to like, because there really are some people listening because I remember being so isolated when all my friends had moved and I was alone in that little doctor. You guys already know about my little studio apartment that I talk about with the squirrel. So I won't even go back there, but no one talks about how hard it is to like fight through and like put makeup on your face and like get out there again. Yeah. I just want to let you know, I hear you. It is so hard. I remember it was so hard for me to just like get out and go to church and meet people, but God will give you the strength. He like it is true. He will give you the strength. He does give you the strength. He will. Yeah. Yeah. And he doesn't send anything to get the story of Job. And did you see Philip Anthony Mitchell say there was a video of him? I literally lost my mind. He was talking about the story of Job and how Satan went to God and said like, basically I'm going to take Job out. And God said, you can basically torture him, hurt him, do whatever you want to him. You're just not allowed to kill him. So essentially God is saying like, do whatever you want, but I'm not going to give Job more than he can handle. That'll kill him. So everything we go through, sometimes we feel like it's going to kill us. It's not going to kill you. No. God will never, his children, he does not allow anything to truly take us out, but he does allow things to happen. And the whole point in Job getting tormented by Satan and God allowing it and essentially like encouraging it. Philip Anthony Mitchell was like, God is out here bragging on some people who don't turn against him during suffering. Yeah. Be one of the people that God can brag on. And it's so true. It's so, so true who you are in the suffering. And it doesn't mean we both have said it. We've blamed God, we've been mad at God, all the things we've doubted, but like you just don't stay in that place. No. And that's what it's all about. You can have moments throughout like a healing process or pain or suffering. You just can't stay there. You can't land there. It's about where you land. It's okay if the process is messy, but where are you landing? It's unbelievable what he does. Praise God. It's like it's not even you fighting God fights for you and it doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt. It doesn't mean that your mind doesn't friggin, you know, but you just, you thank him later for this pain. You're like, thank you. It hurts so bad in the moment, but thank you for it. I can't believe this person I am today. Yeah, always, always. It's a tale as old as time. Yeah. You just forget it when you're in it. Yeah. You just forget it when you're out of it and you're like, Oh, it all makes sense. You know what I mean? Every time, every time. So that's that. And now our next topic. All right, sisters and brothers, we had a lot of, what would you call it when we took some time off and we're walking through some things. Yeah. A lot of speculations and comments and a lot of worries from you guys, which we totally understand. Yeah. I think something that's really important for me and Ari, for you guys to know is that our friendship has evolved and changed and shifted. And we've walked through a lot. Just like every friendship and every relationship ever has an ever will. We're talking about this word like so much has changed so much has changed. And I think people get really freaked out when they don't see us together or they see us hanging out with other people. And I think to us, it's a little bit like that's like completely normal life. You know what I mean? And to other people, it can be just like really hard to understand. And I think what we want to say is that like our friendship has evolved and and changed and shifted. When we first came on the podcast, we literally had sleepovers every single night, every single day. We shared rooms when we were on hotel, like in hotels, we did everything together. And now we don't even live near each other. We actually live further than people would imagine from each other. And so much has changed and our lives have evolved and that's a, that's normal. You know, like that's completely normal. And so we just want to break like this thing that people have that get freaked out if they don't see us together. You know what I mean? And it's been a little bit hard is like speculation or rumors or people saying that we're splitting up for money because we took a month off. It's just like so, so, so, so, so, so crazy. And like, I think this is the first time too that we've ever, when you go through things, you usually like you go through it with your friends. You go, you like hash it out, you go through it. Yeah. But this is the first time that if you, if like we go through anything, it's like in the public. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, that's pretty, we're in this for money. Yeah, no, we split up for money. Oh gosh. So sad. You imagine. I promise you one thing we won't split up over is money. We're both like, here, have it. Take it. Yeah, this could be a lot of things. It won't be that. Yeah, no, listen, me and Andrew, both humans that go through things that are walking through things just like you and just like you guys. Yeah. And that's it, just we're walking through things. Right. You know, and I think it's, I think something that's really beautiful to read though is the way you guys love us and our friendship. I think it's so incredibly special to read that. I think what's so beautiful about girls gone Bible is that this was really built on our friendship and Jesus. And I think that so many people have been able to cultivate friendships because of the way you and I have loved each other. And it's beautiful. And yeah, so I think that's the core GGB is friendship and love. And so I think it's so sweet how much you care about us and our friendship, but to all the people that watch us and love us GGB gang, we love you guys so much. It is so good to be back. It's good to be feeling better. Praise God. Praise God. Thank you, Jesus. We love you guys so much and it's all good. It's all good. We're all on a journey together and we love it here and we love you guys so much and we think Jesus for you and everything's going to be good. Go read the Bible, go spend time with Jesus, get back to the basics. You know what to do. We love you guys so much. Love you and right in the comments what you guys have been going through. How's your heart feeling? Maybe even some episode topics. Yes. I would love that. Yeah. And if you made it here, write GGB gang in the comments. Gang, gang, gang, gang. We love you guys so much. May the Lord bless you and keep you. May he make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you. May he turn his face towards you and give you peace. Shalom, shalom. I love you.