Does a mysterious creature haunt the backwoods of Appalachia?

You're listening to Pet Candy. Welcome to our new show, Obsessed, a show where we talk about whatever it is we're currently obsessed with. I'm Caitlin Palmer. I'm Clay. And we're Obsessed. Welcome back, everybody. You just missed Clay doing some dope-ass karate moves on a pesky fly. Yeah, I did try to get them. It was really good. It was really impressive. Like, I don't know karate, but I'm pretty sure that was legit stuff you were doing. I mean, I did a windmill block in there. I did, like, a traditional sort of, like, cross chop. Try to get that. Actually, I really should have used my brain because I actually just watched, well, last night, a YouTube video on how animals, different animals, perceive time in, like, relation to us. Right. And flies essentially live inside of bullet time. I don't remember, like, the exact hurts or, like, frames per second that they perceive things, but essentially, if you move your hand slowly over a fly, it literally cannot see you moving your hand. It's moving too slow for the fly's perception. Wow. Really? Yeah. So the trick to catching a fly is to just do it really, really slowly. That makes sense. I worked for a doctor one time who had cat-like reflexes, and she could catch a fly, and it was the coolest shit ever. Fun thing. Cats actually have a perception of time a little bit above us, so everything is sped up to a cat. Really? Which is kind of counteractive to how you would think it works. So I wonder, you know how the slow blink to a cat means, like, I love you? Right. That would be like a regular blink. Right. So I wonder if they think that we're just hyper-blinking all the time. Dogs perceive things like, I think it's like 25% or 30% slower than us, so everything just sounds really chill all the time to dogs. Love that. Yeah, that's kipper. Why squirrels are so neurotic is because, like, to them, they're moving just like normal speed. Wow. That's me on a Red Bull. Yeah, they're just like, meh. But that was cool. That was actually not my story. I thought it was. Wow. No, we were just talking about me trying to karate chop this fly. Yeah. That was pretty good, though. So should I save my story for next time? It's up to you, baby. You do whatever you want to do. That's a quick one anyway. I'll just cover it. This was sent in by our producer. The city of Amiro, Texas, if I'm pronouncing that correctly, it's got the two L's, so I assume it's supposed to be the yuh sound in Spanish. Amiro, Texas. Anyway, they caught, I'll save you the pictures for this thing for Instagram because you know how much I love like a poor cryptid disguise. Aw. And this is, this is a wretched little thing. It's fantastic though. But, you know, they were like, oh, because is this maybe just a weird man or perhaps a chupacabra? Always. Always. He is walking outside of the city zoo at like 1.30 in the morning. As one does. As one does. And people have been memeing on it really hard. Like I said, I'll give you these pictures so you can see what people are saying that it's Sonic the Hedgehog or Swiper the Fox. I didn't know those were cryptids. Dang, that means they might be real. One of my favorite, James Gunn actually tweeted back that it's a weasel from the Suicide Squad. Oh my God. Which like, that's weasel. I'm obsessed. And there's the little creature that you can see. Oh, I saw that actually. He looks like a little Jim Henson doll. I think so too. I think he's kind of cute. He looks like one of the ratty little dolls from Labyrinth. He reminds me of Sir Dittimus, but less cute. I'm trying to think. I swear there is an actual doll in the Labyrinth that looks like that little thing. Let me see him. Show me him again. I know everything about the Labyrinth. Right. Isn't there like a little dog or fox? Yeah, that's Sir Dittimus. No, Sir Dittimus is like, I don't know. I'll look it up. I'll find out. And then I'll send you a picture of that. And that's my guess. Is that it's a Jim Henson doll that has gained sentience. Well, duh, obviously. It's the only thing that makes sense. I think duh. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just being ridiculous. Also, it could be aliens. It could always be aliens. There's people saying it's aliens. If there's one thing we've learned on this show, it's that there will always be aliens. You can't research a topic without there being a whole thread on how actually it's an alien. I mean, if the universe is infinite and there's all these galaxies and it could be aliens. Then there is a planet. Right. There's an alien for everything pretty much. Oh, I love that. Oh, that's great. I wanted David Bowie alien. Just a whole planet of David Bowie's. Yes. I mean, he did have a character that wasn't alien. And the spiders from Mars. That's another podcast. Okay, I was going to say I'm not familiar with this. Okay. Well, that's okay. So listeners, you already know what the topic is because again, you have the advantage of it's in the title of the episode. But Clay doesn't know what it is. I was given one clue, which was my wife coming out in a charcoal face mask. And I was being silly, but it kind of like if you'd stretch it a little bit, you can kind of guess what it is. Listeners, you know when you're thinking I'm stupid and you're not wrong. So let's get started, shall we? Oh, you're not going to hear my guess first? Oh, I'm sorry. Guess for me. Okay, you're covering Kratos from the God of War games because he was covered in the ashes of his dead family. Oh, good guess. Oh, is it a good guess? But no. That's a deep shame. I know. So listeners, we've told you our story. We've bantered a little bit. Let's get to the episode. But there's something special about this episode because this is episode number 13. It's our 13th episode. I wanted to make it special. Now, 13 is a traditionally unlucky number. The origin of this is believed to be because of Judas Iscariot. He was said there was the 12 disciples in Jesus. Judas made 13. Bad. Judas is all the bad things. Someone once painted him in a portrait thousands of years after he was alive. Yeah. Holding golden his left hand. Which caused a lot of left handed people to die. Yeah, like that's all you need to know about Judas Iscariot. He was a 13th disciple. He betrayed Christ. 13 has been known to foretell death or demise of either the body or mind or sometimes both. But it can also symbolize the birth of a spirit or the passage into another level existence. I thought it was unlucky because it was a prime number. I've never heard that, but okay. So the 13th card in a tarot deck is death. This can mean literal death. But more commonly this arcana refers to the end of one thing and the beginning of another. Some buildings don't even have a 13th floor. Opting instead to skip straight from 12 to 14. Some cultures believe 13 is a lucky number. I myself was born on the 13th. Friday the 13th in fact. And it was also Good Friday. Which was the day that Jesus was crucified because of Judas. So that humanity could be saved. I don't know if that makes it better or worse. But I've always kind of felt an affinity to the number 13. Is it an evil symbol of death? Is the number 13 the harbinger of tragedy? Or is it simply misunderstood? It has a lot in common with tonight's topic. Okay, so the topic is not about the number 13. No, but there's some parallels to the number 13. You talked a lot about 13. Oh, just wait. Imagine. You're driving along a dark road with your friends late one night. Take me home country road by John Denver plays and you smile. The irony is not lost on you. Is that another car? Weird there would be another car out this late. You resume singing, but the lights get bigger and bigger. The radio turns to static and you're overwhelmed with dread. Not anxiety. You know that word isn't strong enough. You never felt this way. You squint because the lights are so bright. They're threatening to blind you. The radio produces more and more static until finally you look up with your hands over your ears. The red lights are now peering through your window. Your friend screams and hits the gas. You collide with a large object, but don't stop. You're driving for your life. You look out the window and the thing is keeping pace with the vehicle. It's not a car. Is it a bird? No, there aren't any birds quite that big around here. Growing up in West Virginia, your siblings always tried to scare you with stories about the Mothman. Especially when traveling down dark roads or haulers at night. But those are just stories, right? Are you asking me? I thought it was part of your story. So possibly the most popular cryptid. You asked and you shall receive. We're talking of course about the Mothman. Everyone's favorite spooky critter with big wings and two giant red eyes. And a big thank you to our friend Kevin for suggesting this topic. Okay, now quick time out. How was the charcoal face mask a clue? Because Mothman's black and I left big spots around my eyes. There's also a TNT plant involved. So I mean, like I'd imagine if TNT blew up in your face and I was also a cartoon character. Yeah, I was gonna say and also a cartoon character. If TNT blew up in your face, then you wouldn't have one. I wouldn't have a face. It wouldn't be all silly and oh look, I got covered in soot. So that was, now when you said it was a little bit of a stretch, I really thought that it was somehow maybe closely related. I told you I felt that over dinner. I told Clay, I kind of feel bad that I really made you think that was a super clue. Well, and I was reaching, I was like, okay, well, could it be the place that Silent Hill was based off of? We're gonna go to Silent Hill, don't worry. You know, with all the ash in the air from the underground fires and things like that. You know, like all these different things that it could have been as a stretch, but yours is that it was Mothman. Because some people say he's black in color and because you left large holes where your eyes should be. Yeah, I don't have eyes. Which I guess would be like negative space for his very big moth eyes. Right. And because I thought it looked like I got like dynamite in my face and there's a TNT bunker. I didn't say it was a good hint. You're really bad at clues. Duh. I could never place your raids with you. Nah, I'm terrible at that game anyway. Mostly because I never get asked to play. No one plays your raids. Everybody just talks about how people have played it. That's true. That's true. It's a legend that we'll have to cover at some point. Sharrades is a legend. It doesn't really exist. Right. We'll be right back with more Pet Candy. 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Maybe at some point in our podcast, we'll revisit this topic and talk about my dude, the Mothman. But for now, my dude, but for now, we're just going to kind of do an overview and hit the high points. And we'll probably have to do the same thing for like Bigfoot. Oh gosh. Yeah. Yeah, there's like entire podcasts devoted to Bigfoot. Up, Clay, you going to get that fly? I flew. I moved too quick. Oh, damn it. So when we think of Mothman, the first thing we think about are charcoal face masks. Yes, of course. I'm just kidding. Next time you do a charcoal face mask, you're going to be like, Mothman. So, but when we think about Mothman, you won't do a charcoal face mask. Yeah. Well, when we think about Mothman, the first thing we think of actually are the famous sightings in Point Pleasant, West Virginia. But Mothman's been cited all over the United States. Now, what does he look like? All sources agree it's a big bird-like creature with iconic glowing red eyes, a Mothman statement piece. Some say it's feathered. Sometimes it's feathered. Sometimes it's bat-like. Sometimes it's black as the night. Other times it's described as like a tanner gray, but it's almost always seen at night. So it would make sense that it would look dark. Some say it has a neck. Some say it doesn't really have a neck instead of having a broad thick head, being kind of shoulder-y. You can tell the Mothman is near because you will feel extreme fear, psychological distress, confusion, and if prolonged, even death. You'll feel death? You'll feel death. Or worse? You'll feel death. That sounds like a really shitty sort of like threat to somebody. Oh yeah, well you're going to feel death. Wow. Or worse, you could go insane. And sometimes it interferes with electronics. So that's not cool. The first known sighting was on November 12, 1966. Five men in the nearby town of Colundren were digging a grave. So we're off to an excellent start. When they reported seeing a shadowy winged humanoid fly over their heads from a nearby tree. Three days later in Point Pleasant, two couples were driving along and they were chased by a giant winged humanoid that was six or seven feet tall with a ten-foot wingspan. The most memorable part of this creature was its giant, glowy, red eyes. In their panic, they reached speeds of up to a hundred miles per hour, but the Mothman kept up with them. It finally scuttled into a nearby field and disappeared. It was described as being slow and clumsy on the ground, but once it takes flight, wow, we... Wow, we... Wow, we... Wow, we... Even though they knew what sounded absolutely bonkers, the couple went to the police or the couples, there were two couples. They went to the police with what they saw. Understandably, police were skeptical. One of the men was quoted as saying, if I had seen it while by myself, I wouldn't have said anything, but there were four of us who saw it. And first reporters were skeptical, calling it a bird or a mysterious creature. But as we know, they came to embrace our dark-winged friend. Over the next year, sightings became more and more frequent. Over three days, there were eight reported sightings, two of which were volunteer firefighters who described a very large bird with red eyes. According to allthingsinteresting.com, excellent website. You should definitely go check them out. Is that where you get all your information? A lot of it. A decent, a decent bit. A resident of Salem, West Virginia claimed that he saw strange patterns appearing on his television screen one night, followed by a mysterious sound just outside his home. Shining a flashlight towards the direction of the noise, Partridge supposedly witnessed two red eyes resembling bicycle reflectors, looking back at him. This anecdote remains a popular one in the Mothman mythos, especially since it allegedly led to the disappearance of Partridge's dog. To this day, some still believe that the fearsome beast took his beloved pet. Now, first of all, Mothman, my favorite cryptid or not, if you start taking people's dogs, we're gonna fight. Yeah, I've never heard that Mothman comes after your dog. I'm gonna shove my foot up your Point Pleasant ass if you take people's dogs. The most known story is the Silver Bridge. On December 15, 1967, the Silver Bridge that connects Point Pleasant, West Virginia to Gallipoli, Ohio collapsed. 46 people lost their lives in the tragedy. The saddest part is that most of them were Christmas shopping. Some psychics claimed they had visions of water and Christmas presents floating. It's believed that the Mothman was there to warn people about that impending disaster. Yeah, I've heard of Mothman or Mothman being described as harbingers of some great destruction. Right, and some, and we'll talk about it, but some almost describe him almost like an angel of death. Like, he's not really a bad guy. He just does a bad thing, kind of. Like, he's just warning you. I don't know. Like, you're saying like the Grim Reaper. Yeah, he's kind of... Everyone's like, you know, get bent Grim Reaper, but he does have an important job that looks too done. Yeah. Mothman was possibly cited at Chernobyl shortly before the nuclear disaster. Some workers claimed to see an eerie winged figure flying near the reactor, reactor four, the infamous reactor, in the days leading up to the disaster. People in the nearby towns even noticed something strange and began to call it the Blackbird of Chernobyl. As we know, Chernobyl was a disaster. September 11, 2001, a day that will live on an infamy. Prior to the attack, it had been 30 years since Mothman was seen in the USA. Some say that they saw a large bird or crane-like creature in the vicinity of the towers for about five days prior to the attack. There even exists photos of what appears to be the Mothman flying away from the disaster. Others said that they could see his face through the smoke and debris. More recently, August 1st, 2007, Mothman was cited at another bridge collapse. A bridge on I-35 collapsed. 13 people perished and 145 were injured. Then in 2009, Mothman was spotted in Chihuahua, Mexico. It's believed that he was warning us about this wine flu outbreak. So he's just trying to warn us about stuff. But this is what I don't understand about Mothman. He's like, hey, something terrible is going to happen. But when? And he's like, I don't know. In five to seven business days, something terrible is going to happen. Like, okay, can you tell me where? No. Somewhere near me, possibly. Right. I'm here, so something bad is going to go down. I'd be like, well, should I stay home? How long should I stay home? I only have so many sick days, Mothman. My boss isn't going to believe me when I'm like, hey, Mothman's out. I can't come out. Hey, Mothman's outside the building, so I think I'm just going to go home. Yeah. Oh, someone called. It's injured cold. We'll talk about that too. That's going to say it's a little early to be dropping a sort of callback to something you haven't talked about yet. Oh, I'm coming. I'm coming. So the TNT area, we'd be remiss if we were to talk about Mothman without mentioning the TNT area and the bunkers nearby. Formerly, the West Virginia ordinance worked, but called the TNT area by locals. Some say it's just overgrown local wildlife. But back in the 40s, the $45 million plant employed 3,500 people. In World War II, it was used to manufacture and store ammunition. There were over 100 underground bunkers there, and they're covered. The reason for this was so that they wouldn't be seen from the air. Because the Mothman was sited near these bunkers by many eyewitnesses, the TNT area is thought to be maybe his hideout or his home. Some local kids even called it the Bird House, because originally they called Mothman the bird. The bird. What if you flipped the bird? Can you flip Mothman? I mean, can he? I mean, is it really tall? This is a challenge, Mothman. We'll be right back with more Pet Candy. Here's something fascinating I realized while taping this podcast. There are compelling and downright mysterious medical cases that happen every day in veterinary hospitals all across the country. And most of the time, the unsung heroes that help these animals never get a chance to talk about them, and you never hear their stories. Until now. This podcast, Vet Mysteries with Dr. Courtney, takes a deep dive into some of the strangest medical cases, and we meet the incredible veterinary teams that help to save their lives. If you like a little bit of mystery, a ton of intrigue, and love pet health like I do, this podcast is for you. I'm Dr. Courtney, and you can subscribe and listen to this podcast for free on Vet Candy Radio or anywhere you listen to podcasts. There was an incident where a bunch of stuff exploded, obviously. And the whole area was swept and dangerous stuff was removed, so they went in, they totally cleaned out all of the explosives. So it's totally barren now. But there's some theories floating around that the Mothman is a government experiment. Possibly a Moth human bird hybrid creature. But it's now... Half man, half bird, half moth. Yes, half man, half bird, and half moth. So, but you can actually still tour the TNT area. There's a Mothman festival that we'll talk about in a little bit, and they actually offer tours during the Mothman Festival. The Mothman prophecies is actually a film from 2002 starring Richard Gere and Deborah Messing. It's based on a book of the same title by John Keele, who was on assignment in West Virginia during the peak of the Mothman hype. The movie focuses more on the prophecies and the people seeing Mothman followed by bad shit going down, hearing a voice in their dreams, telling them it'll be okay. And then there's like phones, distortion, static. In one scene, he introduces himself over the phone as Indrid Cold, which I had to look up. So this is the smiling or the grinning man. He's usually tall, speaks telepathically, but doesn't have huge red eyes, which seems to be the Mothman staple. He's commonly associated with UFO activity in Men in Black. This is a separate West Virginia cryptid, though the film implies that they're the same. Sightings of the grinning man do seem to coincide with sightings of Mothman. Maybe they're friends. One quote I really liked from the movie was, well, what does it look like? And the answer is it depends on who's looking. So maybe they're the same. Maybe Indrid Cold just wears like really big Coke bottle glasses. Oh, I have to wear Coke bottle glasses. I can't see for ass. I mean, like the really big round ones. Oh, yeah, and they reflect. Like Milo from Atlantis. Oh, now I think he's cute. He's lost all his power now. So fun fact, we were kids. Kelty and I saw this movie and it scared her really bad. So when we got to back to her house, she lived in like, there was a lot of really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really tall trees. And I was like, Mothman's up there. And she's like, no. And then we both got scared and ran inside. Right. So that was fun. You are famously a weenie. I am a winner. So the 10 of Point Pleasant has embraced Mothman. It's kind of an example of owning your weird, kind of like they did the Beast of Bray Road. You can either try to hide it and it's going to be a thing anyway, or you can embrace it and make money off of it like, go ahead. So the town of Point Pleasant, we love a Mothman. Charles Humphries is a Point Pleasant native who you may or may not have hunted the Mothman during his heyday, deciding that the town needed a memorial to the creature that put them on the map. And who better than the renowned Bob Roach? And this is a quote. I drove to his house in the woods said Charles. And I said, Bob, you make that Mothman and you'll be known around the world. Bob dismissed the idea saying he wasn't interested, but I knew he had an ego said Charles. The next morning he called up and asked, what's that Mothman look like? Bob Roach, iconic. I can say I definitely know about the statue. Oh yeah, the statue. Everyone knows the statue. And that's funny because the statue is silver, like platinum, shiny and silver. And it's like, but he was okay, but whatever. Now Bob Roach, he didn't make up this, this creature. He didn't make up any of the looks and the features. He actually interviewed several people who claim they saw the creature. This is considered to be a very honest description of the Mothman and he's got abs for days. According to Roadside America, this is another quote. Mothman became such an icon that in 2020 he was the subject of an online petition calling for the replacement of America's many Confederate monuments with statues of celebrated American figures, primarily the Mothman. The Mothman statue was cited as a prime representation of what's really important in North American culture and history. The petition was signed by thousands of people. I would have signed that petition. I really like the idea, like you just go down to New Orleans somewhere and there'd just be a big statue of a Mothman. And people coming from other countries would be like, wow, what's this about? And he's like, well, there's one place in this country that's really famous for this thing. And we replaced a lot of like old military leader statues with this thing. And they'll be like, why? America. Hashtag America. In 2006, the Mothman Museum opened its doors and continues to be a popular tourist attraction. It remains a high traffic area. Even today, 2022, it's a high traffic area. People travel from all around the world just to take a selfie with the Mothman statue. Also, you and I are definitely going there. And fun fact, during the pandemic, they put a mask on the statue. How fun is that? But what is it really? Because as much as we would like to say, oh, it's definitely something paranormal. It's definitely a military experiment or it's an alien or something. You know, there's people that aren't going to buy that. And that's okay. That's okay. So the Sandhill Crane kind of gets blamed for everything. Every cryptid is actually a Sandhill Crane. Don't know if you knew that. Sandhill Crane comes up more than any other animal. It was actually even mentioned that that might be what the Jersey Devil was, but I was so stuck on the hammerhead bat. Hammerhead bat that I just kind of was like, oh, yeah, Sandhill Crane. So it could be an owl. According to Audubon.org, by the way, we love the Audubon Institute. We went not too long ago. So this is a long quote. I'm sorry. It's a long quote, but it just kind of says everything that I needed. So luckily there was another candidate available, the Bard Owl. A large species with a rounded head, deep black eyes and a loud deep hoot that echoes through the dark. They prefer hollows and trees and open forests and are common throughout the southeast. Officials in former TNT area, now the McClinic Wildlife Management Area, confirmed to Nichols that a healthy population of Bard Owls live in the refuge. Most importantly, Bard Owls have dramatic crimson eye shine due to the amount of blood vessels in the eye. To Nichols, the birds sounded like a match for the Mothman. We know that Bard Owls exist. He says, we know they were in the McClinton, West Virginia. I'm sorry, WMA. We know they have crimson eye shine and otherwise hit the description. Big winged and so forth. With silent flight, the assumptions you'd make for the other hypotheses is that they're extraterrestrials or that they're able to come to planet Earth. And that they have creatures that look for all the world like a Bard Owl. But how do you go from a 17 to 20 inch owl to a six foot Eldritch horror? In 2010, an episode of the television show Monster Quest, Nichols drove volunteers down a large dark road with plywood Mothman, complete with bike reflectors for eyes. None of them were able to guess the size of the cutouts. It's very hard to judge the size of something when seen at night and at an unknown distance. And if you misjudge how far away it is, you misjudge its height by that same proportion. Nichols says, frightened people also tend to fix saint on the object of their fear, causing it to loom larger in their memory. Taken together, it's easy to see how an unexpected encounter with a Bard Owl would be memorable and potentially terrifying experience. If anything, Mothman is a testament to the way that a fleeting glimpse of a common bird can expand something nearly unrecognizable given the right circumstances. Al seemed particularly prone to this sort of metamorphosis, says Nichols says. He's worked on several such cases, including the Flatwood monster, the Kelly Kentucky Goblins and numerous ghost stories. They've most certainly been responsible for monster sightings, maybe more than any one creature, Nichols says, because of their size, their shiny eyes, their nocturnal habits and noises of flight. They're really noted for fooling people. I was going to bring up about the silent flight of owls. They really are almost completely silent in their flight. They've got special feathers or whatever that help dampen the sound and everything like that, but it's remarkable how quiet. You say 10 inches and you're like, that's not seven feet, but if something flies at you at night and all your fingers are reflecting red eyes, that's where they get the no neck thing from. Yeah, I guess that's true. An owl isn't known for its neck or at least not how it appears, but rather what it can do. Right. Owls are kind of scary and an owl can **** you up. Yeah, if an owl wants to, I mean any bird of prey can do some serious damage. Birds are cool and it's important that I mention they're talking about, so there's a barred owl, B-A-R-R-E-D and a barn owl, B-A-R-N. This is the barred, B-A-R-R-E-D owl. Right. Other owls are very similar, but the barred owl is the one with the big eyes. Yeah, we've talked about owls before, specifically with the Wendigo people thinking that owls were signs for them. It's also noted in like UFO sightings and things like that, that owls are somehow related to extraterrestrials or aliens. Yeah, there's a lot of lore about owls and I didn't really go into that because of, you know, time, but... Yeah, owls could almost be their own episode. Owls are pretty much cryptids except that we know they exist. Right, but they're somehow linked to every cryptid. They are. Most cryptids are probably owls. So it's either aliens or it's owls. But Mothman is my favorite. So is Mothman inherently evil or is he just a benevolent spirit who tries to warn us of future disasters? Is he an angel of death, a harbinger of sorrow? Or is he just a legend that we've embraced to help explain tragedy that's beyond our understanding? But now while Mothman is my favorite cryptid, I hope to never see him. Is it because of the implication or just you would be too afraid of Mothman? I feel like it would ruin my relationship with Mothman. I feel like I would be like, oh my god, it's Mothman and then he'd be a jerk. And it's like meeting your hero. They say don't meet your heroes. You'd be like, oh wow, hey Mothman. And he'd be like, I don't have time. Yeah, and then I'd cry. Right. And then a bridge would collapse within five to six business days. Mothman is kind of like a shipping notification. Like you know something bad is coming. But when? Sorry everybody, Clay had to go try to kill that fly. Clay, what if that fly was like a little micromanie baby teacup bat, little bat, little bat, little bat, little Mothman? A little bitty Mothman? A little bitty Mothman. Well they're not indestructible, that's all I can say. And he's like a harbinger of just like a little inconvenience. Yeah, his existence. Aw, poor thing. I was thinking since it's like five to seven business days before the tragedy happens, we're probably going to tear our stomachs up eating Indian food this weekend. I mean that was going to happen anyway. I mean that's like predicting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. What if it doesn't? I mean that would be a much you know like wilder prediction than the sun coming up. I mean unless we're in the film Rock-a-Doodle-Doo. I've never seen that. I know, I've referenced it. Maybe one person listening to this is like, oh yeah, Rock-a-Doodle-Doo. Rock-a-Doodle. You gotta crow and you gotta crow now. I went to Jaldong's Good at Heaven and Elastin's Unicorn. And that's why I'm in therapy. And that's it? Those are the only? Look at him. He came back. He's back! I don't know what he wants. I would just give it to him. I know. I'm going to plug in that vacuum cleaner and then use like the attachment hose to just suck up the fly. I think the cat would explode if you did that. Yeah, Orville would not like me turning on the vacuum cleaner. He would hate everything about that. Well, Orville if you don't want me to turn on the vacuum cleaner, kill this fly. Right, do your job. We'll be right back with more Pet Candy. Hi, this is Shay and I want to tell you about my new show on Pet Candy, Cooking with Shay. I make vegan eating easy and fun. Check it out on Pet Candy TV. So before we go, I did want to mention a little story about our animals and their brave paws. So we had mentioned before that our animals love their brave paws. They love it. They eat it like a treat. They take it, they beg for more. So much to the point that I guess I didn't put the bottle up like in the drawer where it's supposed to go. I just kind of left it on the counter. They ate the whole tub. Yeah. The whole tub and nobody got sick. Yeah, so I mean, good thing about the not ODing sort of deal. Right. Don't let your dogs do that on purpose. Right, yeah. Not saying necessarily test it for yourself, but I mean, we don't know how it was split. I mean, it could have been just Kipper got a hold of it, but he might have shared with Buddy and Pantor. Kipper doesn't typically share. He's also our biggest dog though. He's a pretty big dog. So that was just a fun little aside. So Clay before we go, what are you talking about next week? My topic. Oh, great. Okay. Well, I want you to tell the listeners what it's going to be and I'm going to step out the room real quick. Okay. It's going to be great. I've answered your questions. Yeah. Okay. Well, everybody, we love you and we're so proud of you for whatever you've accomplished this week. Go try your brave paws on. They're great and Leanne winner of our giveaway. Guess what we're doing tonight? A packing video for you. All right. Bye everybody. Look out for Mothman. Bye.