The Black Crowes' "Remedy"

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Get at your bourbon and your barbecue because we're talking one song and that song is Remedy by the Black Rose. Redeem your lab books on free bet spins or even cash in for real money. That's Lattice Faction from Labbrooks and for extra Lattice Faction here's the T's and C's. Let's rock! I'm actor, writer, director and sometimes DJ Diallo Riddle. And I'm producer, DJ, songwriter and musicologist luxury, aka the guy who whispers, interpolation. And this is one song. The show where we break down the Semsons stories behind iconic songs across genres, telling you why they deserve one more listen. You and you will hear these songs like you've never heard them before. And you can watch one song on YouTube and Spotify while you're there. Please like and subscribe. All right Diallo, when did the Black Rose first come across your radar? Yeah, listen, so first off, let me just say right off the bat, like Southern Rock. It has a little bit of a hurdle to get to me because I grew up in the South and usually when you see the adjunct of Southern, it's not followed by something that I want. Yeah, I mean the legacy of the Leonard Skinner and the Confederate Flyers. Listen, I grew up in Atlanta. Anytime Leonard Skinner came to town, you just see all these trucks with the Confederate flag. And I knew with that, man, I wasn't dumb, you know, like it's just, it's a complicated relationship with the musical legacy of the South. But what's ironic is so much of the musical legacy of the South owes its sound and its vibe and what makes it good to Black music and gospel and blues. But I do remember being a teenager in the 90s and hearing Remedy by the Black Rose and loving something about this song that I did not love necessarily about other songs like it. It was bluesy. It felt organic. You could hear the piano being played like, and not necessarily even the best piano, but just whatever piano that restaurant had. Right, I love that. You know what I mean? Like a bunch of guys playing instruments, like a band jamming on stage, maybe loosely. Yes, it's an upright piano. I didn't know grand piano. You know, the guitars sound good. The drums are like driving. And it sounded like what I thought good organic guitar driven music could sound like, should sound right. It's so interesting you keep saying the word organic because that's like, that is a very like subjective wording. Of course, I understand what you mean. It sounds very like authentic. It's authentic. Another tricky word to like narrow down and define. But I get it. I get what you're saying. Listen, this is a time when MTV is shoving a certain process. It's like almost like a processed food. And I like certain hair metal bands. But it's like processed food. This felt like a rich meal prepared by your grandmother. Right. This is 1989 when that first record comes out, like to your point. Yeah. So shake your moneymaker. You're right to point out that this is a kind of rock music. That's a bit of an antidote to maybe what's become this. Yes. Heavy metal is on the radio. It's white snake. It's Motley Crue. Some bands of whom we like, but it's a different type of rock and roll. It is a different type of rock and roll. It's very visually oriented. It's kind of coming off the glam rock. It's very like maybe fake sounding. Well, I was going to even take a little further and say we're all kind of products of when we were born because right at the peak of hair metal, Oliver Stone releases his movie, The Doors. And that was sort of the first time I was like, oh, there was like rock music from 20 years ago that might be a little bit more to my liking. I didn't like The Doors until I saw that movie either. There was something about that movie. See, I don't think I knew The Doors until I saw that movie, but it was such hero worship that I was like, oh, I think I like The Doors. And then fast forward just a few years later, shake your moneymaker comes out with that amazing cover of Otis Redding. And I remember thinking, I wasn't even the only black kid in my school who liked that song, like hard to handle. There's a lot going on in that song that I really, really like. Not the least of which is how the drums go boom. And then he's got like three or four bars of just him singing. I mean, that's up there with Jay-Z like, allow me to reintroduce myself. My name is so like anytime you can drop out all the music and the singer just holds your attention. And then they bring back in the drums in a strong way. That's exciting. That shit works. Tension and release. It works. We love it. Shake Your Moneymaker was a huge success as debut albums go. And there was a lot of pressure on the group to come back with something on their second album. They delivered an album where the label didn't hear any hits, but that's okay because the label didn't hear any hits the first time. They had previously worked on their debut album with Rick Rubin. And Rick Rubin has so little faith in their, in the album that they turned in that he actually didn't have his name on the first present. That's so crazy. And he later went back after sold, I think half a million copies. He went back and put his name on. Also, one of the things I liked about this group as a kid was that it seemed like they had black people all around. And it's just seemed like even in their remedy video, there are two black women in, you know, in the video singing background on this song. So they just, they seem like they could be cool white guys. That's where I came in. How about you? When did you first come across the black girls? Let me just say that that answer is so interesting to me, especially what you're saying about their, what in my mind might have been a little bit like heavy handed associations. Like I think when I first heard hard to handle, first of all, I didn't know that it was Otis. Ready? I knew that it was old. It had that sound. It sounded like an older song because of just the chord changes and the structure of it. But also sonically, and it's important that we both saw videos of these guys first as an impression, because what they look like really mattered. You have to remember in 1989, the idea of 70s retro was really new. So Lenny Kravitz was one of the first, give him credit for that. But these guys came in with a similar idea of like bell bottoms and sort of Robert Plant, flowy, frilly, stevy, Nick stuff. We really hadn't seen that since it happened the first time. And my reaction to seeing it was a little bit like that happened the first time kind of recently. I don't think I need it again yet. I'm glad to bring up Lenny Kravitz because I definitely think there was a point in the early nineties where it was like a lot of groups were wearing their influences on their sleeves. So like Lenny Kravitz was the new Jimi Hendrix and this group could have been considered maybe the new Rolling Stones. Yeah. But I will say in addition to the retroness of it all, there was one other thing I think was going on here, which is I don't think I knew this group was from Atlanta, but maybe subconsciously they were relaying it to me because there was something authentically southern and specifically like cool white Southern about this group. These didn't seem like the guys who were like being obnoxious, you know, they seem like the kind of guys who you might run into in five points Atlanta or like, five points, five points for those who don't know, is like sort of like the cool area around Emory University. It's like where you would go and like you'd go shopping for like the college town area. It's like a little, it's like, it's Inman Park and it's little five points. And these are places where like for the lack of a better word, cool white kids were hanging out. But these are communities are cross are integrating and work in like together. Yeah, you go out together, go record shopping at Wax and Facts. This is fascinating to me because you picked up on signifiers, I picked up on signifiers to you, the signifiers, in other words, the sound, the recordings, you know, outside of what the songs were, maybe you were picking up on signifiers that the band was sending out on purpose, what they wore, what they sound like. And so was I, but my reaction to it was the opposite of yours to me. I was like, this feels appropriate. But not just like black music appropriate. That's in the mix. Don't get me wrong. But it felt like, you know, Led Zeppelin appropriate. It felt Rolling Stones. And I wasn't hearing enough in it that sounded new and original and interesting. And you're picking up on similar signifiers that tell you that these guys are actually from this area and they're vouching. They might be cool. I'll say the big cosine that comes across in this video, the big cosine are the two black women in the video. We're going to talk about them later. But I think that that had a huge impact on my willing list to be like, Oh, so this guy's who did hard to handle mama mama, as we called it. Now they got two black women in the video. In fact, let's play a little bit of that part of the song. These background singers, their names are Barbara Mitchell and Taj Artis. Give them their flowers. Taj Artis. I'm not sure how you pronounce your last name Taj. But let's see that part of the video because this was very important to me as a young youth. Watch this video. Check this part out. Someone's credit. Maybe it's Chris. Maybe it's probably them. Like they didn't tell these black women to dress up like 1950s. I'm going to church in Mississippi clothes. Like, oh, they look like they literally walked off the street, you know, in Atlanta. Like they look like 1991. They look like the moms of the kids in my high school. The band, it off as you would say, they also didn't do the late 80s whitewashing thing where you would have Martha wash singing it. They didn't put a skinny black singer replacing the actual singer. They were the actual singers. They look like real people. And there was something that made the whole thing feel authentic. So again, it just, I wasn't worried about these guys being the wrong guys to sort of let into the party. And one last thing I'll say, it didn't bother me that white guys were playing bluesy music. Like honestly, it's 1991 as a kid. Like I didn't even know that the blues brothers quite honestly were referencing Sam and Dave. Like, no, I think the black culture by that point, it was just, Dan Ackroy, John Malushi, 1979. I thought that they were like weirdly dressed white guys in black suits hanging out with James Brown and Aretha Franklin and Ray Charles. Come on, Ray Charles. But that's the thing is that like, you know, to be a teenager at any point is to have a usually a pretty limited view of what came out 30 and 40 years. You only know what's in front of you. And then later you find out what came before it. Absolutely. So it was just like, if you went to a blues bar in Atlanta in 1991, chances are it was like all white dudes, you know, on instruments. And so like to me, I mean, if we were having a conversation about cultural appropriation, it was probably about the white rappers at that time. Like we were talking about, oh, you know, vanilla ice is fig, but third base, they're cool. That makes sense because you're also you're growing up in that moment where that is musical phenomenon. You see it today. You see today just right now. Hailey Williams was on a podcast and she was, you know, talking about how racist Morgan Ballin was. I couldn't believe it. But in the comments, all like the all the Gen Z and I guess young millennials who grew up with her were just like, oh, you know, Hailey's always been invited to the barbecue. She's always gotten it. Like it's funny how whether it's Hailey for that generation or maybe somebody like Chris Robinson for my generation, there's always like a couple of like white musicians who you're like, oh, they see it the way we see it. You know what I mean? Like they, for whatever reason, they're able to tap into like viewing the world through someone else's eyes and they're like, oh, I get it. Yeah, I kind of understand what that is. So God bless the Christmases of the Hailey Wies as I guess I'd say. So just to be clear, I did have a come to the crows moment. It was in 1992 was when this record came out. I was in living in Paris. I went to the Virgin Megastore where you can sample records. I missed the Megastore. And I put on, I think it was the single. I don't know why I chose this because it's song number four, but song number four, the first sound of this song hooked me immediately. Let me just play it. Let's talk about it. Okay. This is sometimes salvation. Oh, I love this song. Freaking love this song. And it changed my view of the band right here. That silence. Yeah. And then the imperfections. And then you hear this. And this time he plays the ride. So good. This drummer, there's like some weird witchcraft in this music. Yeah. Even watching your reactions to this, like I had never really thought about the fact that he comes back to the ride once Chris starts singing. But yeah, that's pretty sweet. Oh, it's so good. And it just got my, it got its hooks in me. It's got its claws in me. That was my moment. You just said the word silence. Yeah. Like they use, they use silence as a weapon. I love that. Just like in hard to handle. We have that like two bar break. They know how to use, they know how to use silence. And it's so, you're sort of like floating for a minute. Yes. And it makes all the sounds that come before and after it more, you know, more powerful. There's some wonderful which are coming up. And I, again, just, I love the fact that the black crows give so much credit to black music being from Atlanta. Black crow singer Chris Robinson is quick to sight, sly in the family stone, Johnny guitar Watson, Prince, Bo Diddley. These are just a few of their touch points and inspirations. I think, I think that witchcraft that we're talking about, we're hearing that, but there are also other influences going on, maybe not so much in their music, but in their musical personality, if that makes sense. What can you tell us about that? No, it's perfectly put. And we've had a bunch of episodes in a row now where we are just really delving into what genre means and really separating out because it's a misused word. It's a misunderstood word. It means different things to different people. But we really think on this show that it's easier to understand it if you separate the musical content, the sound of it, in other words, from the lyrical content and that from who made it and who listens to it. Like those four pieces are, you can kind of mix and match. And suddenly it changes what, what the words all mean, right? So in this case, what surprised me in doing my deep dive for this episode was like that there's a really strong LA hardcore and punk connection that Chris Robinson in particular talks about being a huge influence on him. And I was like, I didn't get it at first until I realized, oh, it's about the punk attitude and lyrics. It's about, there's a little bit of the music. It's like, you know, when I think of the gun club and X and the blasters, there's all these like LA punk bands and, and a little bit the cramps because they ended up moving to LA, there's a real kind of Southern swampy bluesy vibe to it. And most of punk rock outside of that isn't very bluesy, but this particular LA strain was, and Chris Robinson cites that as being an influence. And it took me a minute to kind of place it all together, because I was so hearing the stones. I was so hearing the seventies British blues and the guess who and all that that it kind of clicked for me when I heard that those two things were what the block crows were really a marriage up. This is the gun club. This is mother of earth from their second record. This is from Miami. Yeah. The gun club are great. That's Jeffrey Lee, Pyrrhaçon vocals. They made five or six records. He passed away very young in the mid nineties, but really eclectic catalog. There's one record that's super underrated. Sounds like Johnny Cash. Total, it's punk rock, but with all these other influences and from song to song and album to album, it's extremely eclectic. What's interesting is Chris's, Chris Robinson's father was, was in a rock ability group of some kind. So it makes sense that something like that would be on his radar. Since you mentioned it, should we hear it? This is Stan Robinson. This is boom, a dip, dip from 1959, which was a billboard 83, number 83. I mean, you know, to hear Chris say it like his father is like this troubadour who's making cool songs like that. His mom is a storyteller on Eastern Airlines and she's like, you know, waiting on Dr. Martin Luther King. He's got cool parents. He's got cool parents. He's got the kind of parents who seem like cool, open-minded, you know, musicians and, you know, willing to look at other people who don't look like you and see the human behind the, behind the eyes. I love this family and it makes so much sense that Chris has the, you know, music that he's produced with his brother Rich that we'll get into. But can I also say, you know, because again, I said, I didn't know that they were from Atlanta, but I thought that maybe they might be telegraphing some Atlanta. Like I said that they reminded me of parts of Atlanta, like Inman Park, Piedmont Park, that had like these cool white kids. Go back and listen to our Lil John episode. Lil John used to work at a skateboard shop by Piedmont Park. I feel like they, I feel like Chris Robinson and Lil John, ironically, we're both digesting a lot of the same stuff. And Lil Five Points has to be there because that was sort of like the hub of the punk community in Atlanta at the time. All of that stuff was in Atlanta. That, that, that punk was like, making its way from LA and, and from England and from New York. And it was making its way to Atlanta in really weird ways. And Lil John literally said that on the episode. He talked about it was the energy and the attitude of punk, maybe not literally the guitars and drums, because he did something different with his music, but he took some of the attitude and he took some of what he wanted you to feel as a listener from punk. Crunk came from punk as we talk about on that episode. Right. To hear Chris talk about like the record labels they said no to when they were like really the hot, buzzy band in Atlanta is to hear somebody who's like, these suits don't get it. Yeah. But we get it and we're just going to push back anytime, anytime they try and get us, anytime they try and get us to sell out and be commercial, we're just not going to do it. And we're not going to give you an album that you expect. It's that same punk attitude, even if not that punk sound. So luxury, is there somebody who comes along and helps Chris find his voice, so to speak? Absolutely. As a matter of fact, there is, there's one of a few unsung heroes of this episode is producer George Tragulius, who is George Tragulius, who BC boy fans know because he's famously mentioned in this song. This is from B-Boy Booyabays on Paul's boutique. Now, who's George Tragulius that he's getting these shout outs from the BC boys and playing this key role? This is what we wondered all these years. So George Tragulius, when I first heard his name, I was like, who the hell is George Tragulius? But then later I started seeing his name on the credits of Deaf American Records. So he met Rick Ruehn at NYU and Deaf Jam Records comes out of Rick Ruehn's dorm room famously, but then he has this offshoot called Deaf American for not hip hop. And I remember I used to work at this radio station KUSF in high school, and I used to see these Deaf American promos come in. I'm like, this is a cool label. They got Slayer. They had Masters of Reality. And then they had Black Crows. And George Tragulius actually signed Black Crows, is credited for discovering them and signing them. He was the A&R for Deaf American Records. So Chris credits George Tragulius for helping him find this other voice that he I think had in him with his Southern roots and background in Atlanta, which was in addition to all the punk rock and suesing the banshees that he was loving. He also to your point grew up listening to Prince and the SOS band and like, you know, Sam and Dave and Sam Cook and all this black music and Stax Volt and just all the stuff that he had been listening to. He hadn't connected the dots necessarily that he too could sing like that. And to George's credit, he brought that out that he was already in Chris Robinson, but he hadn't necessarily tried it yet. And he found his voice. He found the bluesy singer that he had turned out to be. And that authenticity clearly was in him to your point. Like he something happened in his Atlanta upbringing that made it not sound unnatural when he was starting to sing that way. Something clicked. What was one of the songs that George played for Chris that, you know, he thought could be influential. So this is the faces featuring Rod Stewart on vocals and Ronnie Wood on guitar. The song Miss Judy's Farm 1971. Rod Stewart is great. He's great. Rod. Rod Stewart is great. Rod, Rod's got it. Rod is amazing. I mean, it's easy to forget because like later in life in the 80s, he changes the sound. He starts to do standards. This man has a voice. Invaduation is an amazing song. Oh, I love that song. Young Hearts. Young Turks is the song. Young Hearts, Breathe Free Tonight, Time is on your side. That song gets me. But I love his voice. I love this music. I love, I forget sometimes that I love the faces. The faces, by the way, I still get them confused with the small faces. That's just me. They are connected. I will say I never really drew the line between Rod Stewart specifically and the way Chris uses his voice. I can totally see it. Wow. Rick Rubin rears his head again. You know, he's been a part of so many of the stories of artists that I love. And yet he's so problematic for me personally. Like, I don't know. Stop me if you've heard the story, but originally the group was called Mr. Crow's Garden. Okay. And I remember. I don't know the story. Apparently, Rick wanted them to change their name. I mean, he did want them. We know this. He wanted them to change their name. That's how they went from being Mr. Crow's Garden to the Black Crow's. But he originally wanted them to be named after Cobb County, which is a C-O-B-B, like a Cobb salad. But he wanted them to spell it with a K. So they'd be the Cobb County. Stop. Crow's with a K. No, he didn't. KKK. That's, that's insane. Rick, what the hell, bro? Like you. Wait, are you kidding me? That's insane. Rick, come on the show. Let's talk. Yeah. I think you need to talk. Yeah, he wanted to be the Cobb County Crow's. I'm really glad that they didn't. And I will even say, as a black kid growing up in Georgia, who, who who so, you know, had his black consciousness well intact, even the name the Black Crow's was a little sus, you know, like, it's a little suspicious. That's not gonna happen by the way. You know, because they're seeing this music. Rare rabbit and kind of like Southern. Rare rabbit and all that stuff. I think that the, I think they made it past all that because they were so cool. And they seemed like they were so chill and they were smart enough to not listen to Rick Rubin. Right. And his terrible ideas. There's something on the nose about like, even the white stripes and the black keys, like, what is it about? Like we keep diving into the same well musically and nomically. The black keys are still on notice. That is way too close. It's like, oh, who are you going to go see tonight? The black keys. Oh, what? I never thought about that. Oh, you never thought about that? I thought about the first time I saw that name. I was like, so the first album, Shaker Money Maker blows up. She talks to angels was like a staple on rock radio. Which by the way, Rich Robinson wrote when he was 15, apparently, which is crazy. Yeah. And it propels them to this huge level of success. They're opening for Aerosmith. They're opening for ZZ Top. I love the story about how Miller Light is the official sponsor of this ZZ Top tour. Right. And so every night he gets out there and he says, this is brought to you commercial free. And Miller Light hates this. Yeah. As they would. As easy toss managers like begging to stop, but he wouldn't, he wouldn't. He said every time he got out there and said something, yeah, that sort of called out the corporate nature of this rock tour, he sold war records. And he has this great quote. He says, quote, as a young person, I was arrogant and angry and all that stuff. I'll gladly accept those things because it was my right as a 24 year old rock star who's making these adult business people millions and millions of dollars. Dot, dot, dot. Fucking A fair point. Fucking A. I mean, this is a band. They're touring so much. And to hear Chris say it, one of the reasons they wanted to tour is because they knew that like musicianship wise, they weren't quite as good as their ideas. Totally. And this is one of these situations where that's their first album and they hadn't, they didn't have lots of touring and live experience behind it. But after the record came out was a hit, they go and play for 18 months, 350 shows, 18 months and they get tight or tighter, I should say, because they still keep a lot of that like rolling. They changed their, they changed their lineup a little bit. They got rid of one guitarist and brought in another one who they thought was better. We'll be talking about that in a minute, but they do get tighter and they do road test a lot of the material that there are lots of work on and they go in the studio in January, 1992 and plan is Southern track studio to work on, to start work on what would become the Southern harmony and musical companion, the second record, which is named by the way, after a post civil war Southern hymnal. We like post civil, right? Post civil war. Exactly. So they banged out this record. They recorded the whole thing in only eight days in no small part because of this road testing. Yeah, which I love and they actually made a joke. They said like bands like Def Leppard will take like three years between albums. They're like, we're not doing that. They're like, we're going to do it the old fashioned way, like the 1960s way of like, we're going to come up with an album. We're going to tour it and then we're going to come home and we're going to merely go into that. That's a great point too. You're right. This is an absolute opposition to the prevailing trend of going to Montlang to have like, you know, your rock and roll record, a pop record, a perfect pop record, which we also like. We like the Mont, I like Montlacru, but this is a different kind of rock and roll that we hadn't been hearing in a while. Right. So we're going to take a quick break, but when we get back, we're going to listen to the isolated stems of this rich and rock and track and reveal the origin of that iconic riff. Even Chris Robinson might want to stick around for this. Don't go anywhere. Industry leaders are transforming business with AWS AI, from Phillips advancing patient care to smarter auto design and games that evolve in real time. AWS AI is how innovation happens every day. At EDF, we don't just encourage you to use less electricity, we actually reward you for it. That's why when you use less during peak times on weekdays, we give you free electricity on Sundays. How you use it is up to you. EDF, change is in our power. Welcome back to One Song. Let's get into the stems luxury. Let's start with the drums. All right. One thing we love about Steve Gorman is that he's such the outlier in this band, the guy with his short hair. He looks like he's like an accountant the way he's dressed. The rest of them are like full 70s regalia, but this guy's a monster drummer. So here's what Steve Gorman plays at the top of the song. You'll recognize the riff in the drums. Listen for it. You'll hear it. And it hits hard and it's so dry. I don't care if he looks like an accountant. I will get my taxes done there every year. That man could play the drums like that. It sounds so good. It sounds so good. I have a theory. Maybe, maybe what we've messed up is I've always thought that hip hop and dance music sounds good because it has electronic drums. Okay. But maybe rock is just better to my ears when it's a human playing it. Because I'll say like, I'm sorry, I'll piss some people up. Like groups like Imagine Dragons, like today's rock bands, like often they're using the same drum equipment that hip hop and dance is using. And I'm missing, you know, we talked a little bit about this on the Oasis episode. I'm missing that sort of, you know, like, I kind of need that. You need the size or what is it? Is it too precise? Is that part of what you're talking about? Yes. I think we talked about that. It's printed out. It's pro-tooled within an inch of its life. A human is not quantized. And like, so you feel the drums and I think something like rock, actually, you've got to feel those drums. We talked a little bit about this on the Sylvester episode as well. There's a BPM fluctuation. That definitely happens on this song. This song is roughly 80 to 81 BPM. But it changes like, you know, Steve Gorman's kind of playing the drums in real time and feeling it out. I'll even argue like when the riff comes in, the boom, boom, boom, bottom, down, down, down. Like as it goes into the verse, it kind of speeds up a little bit. But whenever it gets to the, to the, to the fills, I guess you'd have to call them. Like, it does seem to slow down a little bit just to punch through. There's something super interesting that you're referring to. So as I was going through this and breaking it down, one of the things is that even counting this off was challenging to me. In my mind, I was like, this song, does it start as a pickup? In other words, one and two and three, four, one, two, three. Let's count it together. Tell me where you think the one is. Okay. Where is the one? I love this. Okay. I'm going to play the, where's the one? We're going to take a moment. We're going to pause from the stems, find the one in the actual song. Here we go. Here we go. Three, four, one, two, one, two, one, two, three, four, one, two, three, four, one, two, three, four, one, two, three, four, one, two, three, four. So that pickup comes in like halfway. It's like, it's on the three. I think so. Starts on the three. But even with that, when you're in the four, the duration between the end of the four and the beginning of the one feels endless. Oh, it changes. Because there's no downbeat. There's no kick on the downbeat. Right. Right. And also that might be another example of them not putting something in there. It doesn't need to be there. Once again, weaponizing the silence. Weaponizing the silence. Weaponizing. Let's listen again and notice how there's no downbeat on the one. I think that's what's causing it. It's a one drop. Right. Like from reggae almost. Just literally no kick drum makes you float in space. Listen for it here. One, two, three, four, one, two, one. There's a one there. That one. Yeah. Yeah. There's no drum on the one. You're totally right. It's very vague and floaty in a really wonderful way. It's fun though that they play with that. And I think a lot of that's intuitive. From my understanding of their songwriting process, Rich and Chris together are writing a lot of this song without a lot of necessarily theoretical, musical knowledge. We'll get into that a little bit more when we get into the guitar. That's part of I think why the song is wonderfully like unique sounding. Because they didn't like overly study at Berkeley School of Music to make this video. No, not at all. The siblings have a shorthand. They have a shorthand for songwriting. Yeah. So another thing to point out, I'm going to play for you the verse beat. And one thing that's interesting you'll notice is that he reverses what's typical in that the verse is not played with a hi-hat. It's the ride. And then in the chorus, he reverses it. So the chorus is actually the hi-hat and not the ride. So this is the verse, even though it sounds like it might be a chorus. So that's where Chris is singing. This is just the verse. And there's some fun stuff going on there. We actually have some, speaking of the Rolling Stones a little bit. You got some percussion that definitely gives it a little bit of a Rolling Stony bounce to my ears. And this percussion is by Chris Trujillo. Oh, yeah. I'll just isolate that. So that's going through the whole song. And in fact, later on, there's a little more percussion that gets added. So the full beat is... I love that. Congas. It's totally Congas. That's the right way to say it. I just learned today the correct pronunciation. Thank you, Melissa, our producer. This is very, to my ears, very incredible, like bongo band sounding. It has that kind of like... Incredible bongo band. Absolutely, right? Like Apache has this sort of thing. You guys know that song. Yeah. What's going on with the bass here? Johnny Colt on bass. Johnny Colt. I gotta say, having gone through some of their old interviews, Colt is a pretty funny guy. He's a very funny guy. What hang out with these guys in general? Dude, I'm serious. Shoot. I mean, say no more. I definitely want to go hang out with them. I think it was in Topanga. We should just go over to his house. But what is Colt doing on this record? Colt's laying it down. I'm going to play you one of my favorite moments. This is coming in at the verse. So I'll play you Johnny Colt's bass and then I'll bring in some other stuff. Okay, great. Just rhythmic. Let's bring those beats back. Laying it down. Move to the next chord. Yeah. Yeah. He's doing his job. He's doing his job. Well, you know, he also plays... He plays the riff. Like, you know, he's not crazy. This thing's fun to play. Yeah, that part's fun. Sounds good. I mean, that is a full rich bass tone. George Traculeus knows what he's doing. Brendan O'Brien, who mixed this record, we talked about him on our James Dixon record. You've got some of the best of the best here making this sound super good. That's a nice contrast with how much fun they're having and the tempo sort of moving around. And when we get into the guitars, you'll really hear, again, the undeniable Rolling Stones parallel is really there with the interplay. But all of this to say that the bass is really locking it in. It's part of what's making it really locked in. There's a stability there that you need to have fun with some of the rest of the stuff. All right. Now we come to the guitars. There's a lot going on with the guitars. In fact, this song has two guitars. It does have two guitar players. And the origin of that iconic riff that starts the song is actually an earlier Black Crow song. It was a B side. Oh, wow. And they used to play it as a sprawling 14 minute opus. But when they came in to record the second record, they're like, we like this, but we don't need all 14 minutes of it. And they ended up distilling it down to just this part. This is a live version of a song called Words You Throw Away live in Atlanta, December 1990. Oh, wow. There it is. That's the bit they kept. I didn't even hear it. Can you miss it? There's the riff. I'll play it again. I didn't hear it. Here it comes. There's three notes. I heard it. You know, to our point when we were like, let's find the one. Yeah, because it didn't come in like on the three. Yeah, it actually comes in on the four on that one. I would argue like it came in a different part of the measure. Where you end up when you end up when you end up. It's like it's in that little floating zone before it's in a weirder zone. It's like it's not quite where it goes. Kind of on the downbeat. A little bit. Let's listen again. This is one more time. Am I crazy? Oh, you know what it is? It's a different rhythm though. You're right. It comes in on the one now as opposed to the three. And so that's what threw me completely off. That's really I would. I'm so glad you found that. I would have never found. I would have never figured that out. Yeah. On this 14 minute sprawling song, they're like, well, let's just take the best part of that. And it ended up being that three notes. I'm just my time is limited. So I don't often listen to 14 minute concert live versions. Sure. But I'm so glad you know. Nor are you obligated to. Two guitar players, Rich Robinson and Mark Ford. We're going to start with Rich. And they're doing a little interplay, kind of like what Ronnie Wood and Keith Richards would be doing. Let's start with what Rich Robinson plays. So that's Rich. Just a little suspended. And on top of that, his cohort, Mark Ford, who joined for this record replacing, by the way, you actually heard the previous guitar player, Jeff Cease, who got fired from the band. Yeah. But he is who we heard playing the original riff, by the way, the early version. But this is Mark Ford who replaced him. He was former guitarist for Burning Tree. For the record, they said they only replaced Cease with Ford because they said that like, you know, Cease was maybe a little bit limited in his abilities, whereas Ford was like this guy who's going to come in and make them all better musicians. As demonstrated by what we're about to hear, which is him playing the part on top of that. And then I'll play them together. So here's I'll put Rich back now and it sounds like this together. I just say this is going to Rich Robinson. I want no shade. I love what you and your brother could cocked it, but I can hear what what Mark Ford is doing. I can hear the more dialed in musicianship in there. It's very subtle, but some of the questions are slightly more next level. Yeah, it's like confidence. Yeah. It's the confidence that I had when I used to go to Six Flags and ask a girl for her number. I used to be really good at these things. Don't do it now. For many reasons. No, nowadays it'd be officer. He's there. No, but like seriously, like I like a good confidence drum. Sure. And that's what I hear when I hear Mark Ford. No, I'm so glad you said I'm in part of the like two guitar interplay thing, because it is a thing. You see it in the Stones with Keith and Ron. You obviously see it in Guns N' Roses with Slash and Izzy originally. And actually, at the time that Mark Ford joined the Black Crows, he was also offered a spot in Guns N' Roses. Oh, wow. But the difference was that in Guns N' Roses, he'd be replacing Izzy, which would mean that Slash is the main dude. So Slash will be playing those sort of more interesting parts. But in the Black Crows, he could get to be kind of Slash as it were. So Mark was able to sort of be sort of more of the lead. And they both talk about this in interviews. This is no shade. The rich is primarily songwriter and rhythm guitar. He plays solos over time. He gets better and more accomplished. In this moment, Mark is there to sort of be the more accomplished musician and to bring some of that Slash type. I don't feel so bad about my earlier comments now, because it sounds like everybody in the group sort of knows that like Mark is, he's here for a reason. And I think he earns his freaking paycheck on this song. Are they doing anything else differently? Yeah. One interesting difference between them is that Mark Ford generally uses standard tuning. And on this song, he's playing standard tuning. And by contrast, Rich Robinson is playing what's called open tuning. It's an open G tuning. I'll explain what that is. I'll even show you on the guitar here. Amazing. So what he does is he tunes what's usually an E string, the lowest string down. And in fact, the lowest two strings are tuned down one whole step. And the top string is tuned down one whole step. And the reason why that matters is when I'm about to strum it with nothing fretted. My fingers on my left hand are not holding down anything on the guitar. And you just hear what's called that's an open G chord, which means that anyone easily you can use. This is helpful when you're using a even I like when you're using a complete idiot in the studio, you're like, Hey, play open G. It's like, I can do that. Exactly. And it means for slide guitar, you can play slide guitar and kind of move things up and down with a slide. It's just another thing in your arsenal as a guitar player. I might need a slide guitar because you were trying to teach me how to play some stuff earlier. Yeah. And it's hard for me to keep my fingers straight. So, but with a slide, I could just pull that thing down, right? And it would be straight. Absolutely right. And if you at home, get out your guitar, if it's been in the corner gathering desk, because you're not finished listening to the show, but after that, there is a subset of one song nation listeners who own guitars, but don't play guitar. So grab that guitar, tune it down to open G. And you can play this song because it's simply you put your fingers on this fret. I'm on the 10th fret and you go 10th, 9th, 5th fret. And then you go 8th, 7th, 3rd fret. And that's the riff. And by the way, I could just picture a young Rich Robinson, who's still, he's a songwriter and his brothers older than him and the two of them are writing all these songs together. This is, first of all, super fun to play. Yeah. Second of all, not unimportantly, it's what Keith Richards and Rai Kudur and a lot of his heroes are doing these open strings. But I, when I put this together to like get it ready for the show, I lost an hour of my life just having a blast with like, like anything you do sounds good. It's super fun. All right. I got to hear the guitar solo because I, you know, even though I don't play a guitar, I love it. Can we hear a little bit of that? All right. So here's the solo. This comes right before the final breakdown. We get this wonderful solo from Mark Ford. And Rich is underneath it. That solo guitar is so great. It's so great. It's so great. It's Steppenwolf. That's what I heard. I heard Steppenwolf, which I only knew because Steppenwolf was very popular in commercials around this time. Like I feel like, I like to dream and born to be wild. Like I feel like that level of guitar play. And again, back to Liddy Kravitz, that stuff was actually getting back into the, into the cultural bloodstream. And this would have been like, This is such a bluesy solo. That is pure pentatonic scale blues. Not one-on-one as in basic, but in a sense this is a guitar solo that an early learner of guitar can play. Because pentatonic is the first scale that you learn. Is it really called pentatonic? Yeah. Because there's five notes in it. And he's adding some blue notes. There's technically six notes in it. No one of people thought this was, no one is satanic panic because pentagons, pentatonic. The devil's music, the black keys, if you will. Watch it. But can I just say that when that guitar solo finished, I immediately started like doing piano, air piano. Oh yeah. Because I heard the piano coming in. Now what can you tell me about the piano? Is it a Rhodes? I need to know. This is possibly my favorite part of the entire song. Okay. Oh my God. I love this part. I hope I can deliver on what it is you're teeing up here. You better get your facts straight. What is the piano? Is this a Rhodes? This is another recent addition to the band, Eddie Harsh. And he is playing not a Rhodes, but it's close cousin. Eddie Harsh? What a freaking fantastic name that is. He's playing the Whirly. He's playing the Whirly, sir, which sounds similar to a Rhodes. It's a little harder sounding. It's less watery. And maybe most famous in my mind, I always think of it being the Super Tramp instrument. So when you think of any Super Tramp, the logical song, he's playing the Whirly very famously. Oh, they believe you're watching me. But then they send me away. I love the logical song, but I'll tell you what the Whirly doing on the logical song is not what it's doing on Remedy. So can you please lay it down, brother, that solo Whirly, wonderfulness. Give me a little drums. Go, Jones. Is that the bass you just brought in? Was that the bass? Give it to us, Harsh. That's some boogie in there. I heard, well, I was reminded of like the Charlie Brown cartoons for a little bit. I don't even know why. Like, yeah, it was like Charlie Brown like grew up, man. Because Charlie Brown is boogie woogie. That's boogie woogie piano on that Charlie Brown stuff. It's so good. I could just listen to that all day, just like cruise around LA with like the top down just like. And this is another connection to both the Rolling Stones who famously had Ian Stewart, one of the founding members of the band, but they kind of backburnered him because he didn't look the part. Unfortunately, poor guy, but he was in the band and he played, you know, he played roads and piano and all the sort of keyboard parts. And also Billy Preston in the Beatles. These are kind of members of those bands that you often forget burn in the bands officially, but you hear them on so many songs on them. Chris has amazing voice, I'd say. You think so? And I think he's got one of these, you know, everybody's made the comparison to Jagger in this video because he's, you know, he's the front man. He doesn't hit the gesture nonstop. Maybe while singing in a band that sounds like the Rolling Stones. I wonder why. Because to me, like, there's not just Jagger, there's there's Velvet Underground. There's like, to me, he just looks like, you know, rock God. So like, let's give him his credit and he's earned it because this is an incredible song to listen to from a vocal perspective. Great lyrics. Can start us off with the verse. Baby, baby, why can't you sit still? Who killed that bird out on your window sill? Look at that. We're still. He's just living in that blue note. Then we get to the chorus. And even though we've been calling them the background vocals, they actually kind of sing the chorus. Right. And then Chris sings back up for them. Arguably they are not backup singers in this class. Arguably they're singing the chorus. Kind of. They're back up, which once again, what a minch. I love freaking Chris Robinson. Let's hear the chorus. Can I have some remedy? All I want is a remedy. He's louder though. For all of the things that are made by me. Can I just say, I think the difference between, because I have issues with, you know, a lot of Rolling Stones stuff, you know, Brown Sugar, Notorious, right? What I like about this is that he's like, yeah, he may be higher in the vocals. It makes sense. It's 1992. And, you know, we're not, you know, we still need the star of the song as the star, but it's almost like he was like, Hey, let the black ladies go to the forefront. And I'll sing back up for them. This is not Brown Sugar. You know what I mean? Like this is, this is him letting, letting Atlanta and letting, you know, Barbara and Taj sing their part at the forefront. Barbara and Taj unsung heroes, man. I think that they, they are probably one of the things that made me connect with the song that was being played on MTV with a lot of other songs that I don't remember or don't particularly care for. Yeah. But like this, what I was like, you weren't a warrant fan. No white snake for you. But this was good because this is like, you know, this is at a time when like in vogue is starting to get their songs played on MTV. So for me, this is just one more song with like, you know, black women on the chorus, but it's got these cool white guys like playing instruments, you know, in the background. So I love it. I love this song. I love this energy. So let's give some flowers to Barbara and Taj. Just so you guys can know, these people had careers too. Barbara was a member of the R&B group High Energy with her sister Vanessa Mitchell and they had some success with a song called You Can't Turn Me Off. Can't turn me off. Not in the middle of turning me on. Song Pete, the number two on the R&B charts and number 12 on the U.S. charts. And Barbara would go on to do duets with the likes of Smokey Robinson. Taj, meanwhile, continued to record secular and gospel music, including with acts such as Third Day and Philip Bailey from Earth, Wind and Fire. She also sang solo at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta and performed with Michael Jackson. So these wonderful singers, thank you. Thank you because without you, I may not have really noticed this song in quite the same way. But it just goes to show that sometimes a good collaboration can bring more people into the musical fold. Okay, so now that we've heard the song lecture, what can you tell us about the splits? Even Steven, my friend, but only between the brothers, 50-50, Richard S. Robinson and Christopher Mark Robinson. 50-50, it makes a lot of sense. They're not the Gallagher brothers. They're not the Davies. They're not the Davies brothers. Well, listen, to hear some of the other band members talk about it, these guys are literally throwing stuff at each other in the studio, digging into fistfights. It's a little bit in there. It's hard to be around somebody who you consider your brother in creative space. There have definitely been some throwdowns between me and Bashir, not physical, but emotionally jarring. Why haven't we had throwdowns? We have not had enough throwdowns. We have not had enough throwdowns, but we're not that good yet. Let's manufacture one for clicks right now. Luxury, what do you think is the legacy of Remedy and the Black Crows? I think the Black Crows legacy, specifically with this song and this record, is they are demonstrating something that we've now gotten kind of used to, which is that when things come back, when sounds come back, when musical ideas come back a generation or so later, they transform and they're different. Not only are they, as a new audience, maybe hearing them for the first time, right? Greta Van Fleet leaps to mind with Led Zeppelin. When Greta Van Fleet came out and got lots of comparisons to Led Zeppelin, very similar to how then the Black Crows came out, they got the Rolling Stones and the Faces comparisons. But I think what's now easier to see is that while there are similarities when bands are influenced by a previous blues band in both cases, what they change and what's different and what their own story and their lyrics and their personal, what they bring to it is unique and different and can be transformative. And reminds us all, episode to episode of the show especially, it's like nobody owns the idea of what a sound is. Nobody owns a genre. And those things are constantly evolving and influx. I think the unique storytelling of these unique people shines through and they use as a vehicle perhaps some sounds and guitar tones and tunings. We've heard before, but when the Stones did it, they were also building on something that came before them. So the thing that you brought up very early on, which is so important is when you're a kid or when you're in your early 20s even, when you hear music for the first time, you just hear for what it is. And those other associations you learn later and they're helpful, but they're not necessarily important for the music on its own. They're not the driving force. They're not the driving force for the music. Led Zeppelin had precedents before that. We go all the way back to Robert Johnson. You can go back before that. So what the original of anything is, who's everyone's borrowing from everybody. That's the story of this show, right? I mean, come on. And what about you, D'all? What do you think is the legacy of the Black Crows in this song? Man, I think that for me, looking back, it really does feel like it was a perfect concoction of many things Southern in a way that was welcoming to all Southerners. And I think that that's something that is not easily achieved. You know, just 10 years later, you had artists like Bubba Sparks and Paul Wall, who were full on hip hop personalities working with some of the biggest hip hop producers of the day to merge that sort of like all-encompassing Southern culture into one thing. But it was a lot harder in 1991 when this was recorded and 92 when it was released. So I think Credit Chris and Rich and Johnny Colt and Eddie Harsh and Mark Ford for having the wherewithal to release what I think is a fantastic album, a fantastic indie rock album, alternative rock album in the Southern spirit, in the Southern vein. And I think that their choice to bring in Barbara and Taj's vocals and have them sing the chorus and we'll sing their backup. Damn it. It just worked. I think everybody's musicianship is polished, but not too polished. And I think that it's just a bunch of different cultures in one great song. All right, One Song Nation, we got a new segment. We're calling One Genre, where luxury and I break down a subgenre and share a record that we think is essential listening. That's right. Today we're talking about Shugaze or Shugazi as our videographer Casey apparently likes to pronounce it. Shugaze is one of my favorite genres. Very briefly definition. Listen, the name literally comes from the idea that you have so many guitar pedals and so much hair that you're looking down on stage and not at the audience. So Shugaze, Shugaze at your shoes. Yeah, no, I tell you, and by the way, I've always felt like of all the genre of music, this is one of those that is very much made up by journalists and our execs. Like more than typical, right? Yeah. At the time it was absolutely, yes, when this was happening, the bands who were defined by that term weren't necessarily crazy about the term. Absolutely true. Yeah, I feel like even to this day, most of them, a lot of them reject the term, but you know, but it is useful for a type of alternative rock that became quite popular, sort of like very late 80s, early 90s. So late 80s, early 90s, especially in England, you've got a handful of bands, particularly My Bloody Valentine. You've got Slow Dive. That's the big one. That's the big one. You've got Slow Dive, Lush, one of my favorites, one of our shared favorites, I should say. Who else? Curve is another underrated band. And what at Ride would be another one? And I'd say like a defining characteristic, besides again, to your point, being journalists created in England. So they're British bands that are working in the late 80s, early 90s. But sonically speaking, a big part of their sound is there's a wash of mostly guitar driven, if not exclusively, not all the keyboards. I can't think of any keyboards actually in those bands. Guitar effects, a lot of it is influenced by and linked to in no small way, Robin Guthrie from Cocktoe Twins. Yeah, Cocktoe Twins. Who actually is, you know, precursor to these bands. So anyway, by the time we get around to the bands that we're talking about right now, that sound and maybe the idea for it is as an image for the band members themselves. Is that they are not terribly charismatic, right? That's the idea. They're on stage looking down at their instruments and plugging pedals, chorus pedals and reverb pedals. Look at the album covers. We have two albums here right now and neither one is showcasing the group. They're showcasing sort of like a feeling. Yeah, so Lush, you're just, y'all are showing Lush's spooky, their first full length album and 480 records. It's got the full 480 treatment with the Von Oliver graphics abstract imagery, basically. You can't see any of the band members and I'll hold up a couple more because I've got some of the EPs that came before it, which are some of my most expensive discogs purchases, by the way. I've spent a lot of money to get their first two EPs. But yeah, beautiful artwork, gorgeous for it, classic for the label 480, classic for the genre. So for me, My Bloody Valentine is just one of the greatest bands of all time. This is their first full length record, isn't anything the classic, the one to get if you have extra money to spare. That would be Loveless. Loveless is going to be one of my picks. Oh my God, love it on CD. I also have the glider and tremolo EPs. Such an incredible record. Kevin Shields, who's the mastermind behind the project and the guitar player, who basically innovated making these guitars sound like something that weren't guitars. How would you describe the shoegate sound of My Bloody Valentine? I think the fact that those two EPs are called glider and tremolo are perfect because you have the tremolo on your guitar. Kevin Shields famously has a secret formula for how he gets his sound. But you're hearing guitars, but they do not sound like guitars. They sound like this wash of sound. It sounds like whales and water and ocean and the past and the future. But he's doing it all with guitars and you feel like you're gliding. Totally. And it's a really wonderful evocative. It sounds like the future in many ways. And actually there's this great, Brian Eno famously said after hearing one of their songs that he heard the future and it's this band and it's this song. Which makes sense because Brian Eno always did very cinematic, hard to tie down to traditional song structure type songs. And very tied to sound as well. So sound is very important in the shoegaze phenomenon. That's so funny, by the way, because I almost chose My Bloody Valentine, loveless as my selection. But I went with one that I know that you also own, which is Lush. And this is an album called Spooky from 1992. And I love this. I really love this album. It washes over you. I think it's the best way to put it. Yeah, it washes the gimmer. It sounds shimmery. I mean, one thing I remember about the genre in general is that like generally songs ran longer, you know, because it takes some time to sort of build up that momentum. Yeah, the sonic wash. Also, like, can I just say there were groups that weren't even considered shoegaze, but I feel like they could have been like Stereo Lab, early Stereo Lab sort of sounds a little bit like Lush. Like, it's not building completely different labs. Like, it's definitely got that sort of like, you know, chord progression quality. And Jesus and Mary chain too. Like the idea of using sound as like a component, like it's still songs. These are songs that are right with songwriting, some more than others. I think like Slow Dive is a little less soggy to my ear. Totally. Slow Dive is almost like a jam band for people who don't like the jam band genre. I used to put Slow Dive on to do my homework too, because I could sort of zone out to it. I wouldn't like it would be unnoticeable in the background, but Lush was a little too noticeable. And the record, by the way, Spooky is produced by Robin Guthrie from Cocktoe Twins. And it's sort of like if Cocktoe Twins were like a rock band, you know, with more intelligible lyrics, for example, and harmonies done by two different people. And by the way, this genre didn't just go away one day when more popular genres come in. I mean, like they do, there is an argument that like when Britpop explodes in England, all of a sudden the new groups start chasing that and they start moving away from shoe gaze. But I would argue that even groups like the Dev Tones are kind of doing 10 years later a sort of shoe gaze. Oh yeah, that's a cool connection. If you go back and listen to their Pony album and you think about, you know, change or songs like that, there's a shoe gaze quality to how those songs wash. And you're making me realize that going back even further, I mentioned Jesus and Mary Jane, they were just doing a Phil Spector wall of sound. The wall of sound idea, it really is a wall of sound, but sort of modernized in a British sensibility maybe. And again, not tied down to like, oh, this sounds like going on for three minutes and 20 seconds, we've got to end it. Turn it off. There's no time. And by the way, one of my number one on Discogs right now, like on my wishlist, is Gala by Lush, which is their compilation of all their early singles. Even though I have those singles on the specific EPs, I do kind of want Gala. Anyway, if anybody out there wants to go to my Discogs wishlist, like, you know, we could be friends. We could meet each other through Discogs. I gotta say, when I went to Find Lush, I had a hard time locating them. I feel like Lush and some of these shoe gaze bands have been kind of forgotten by the people. A lot of the records were out of print until recently. Yeah, absolutely. So I do feel like exactly when you're looking for something that's out of print, Discogs is your friend. Because you got to figure out, okay, where am I going to find this thing? And in what format is going to have the song that I'm looking for? So I'm glad that we were both talking about this genre that might have been overlooked by people who are maybe slightly younger than us. God forbid. So those are our genre picks for shoe gaze. Let us know what you think in the comments. And if you want to hear our selections, please check out the one song playlist linked in our episode notes. As always, you can find us on Instagram and TikTok. You can find me on Instagram at Diallo, D-I-A-L-L-O, and on TikTok at Diallo Room. 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