#3349 Crappy Hour Crappy Hour 5/4: Hollywood Crime Scene and RHOBH Dramz

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How's it going? Good. How you doing? You handsome little guy? I'm doing quite well. Thanks. You know, it's Monday, Crappy Hour. Excited to talk about things. What's going on? Well, I'm having trouble because I think I'm balding on the sides of my eyebrows. Look, I'm like thinning on the sides of my eyebrows. Someone mentioned it in a comment. I mean, not that it bothered me at all. You shithead. Whoever did that. Who said that you're having eyebrows thinning? They said, something like, what's wrong with Ronnie's divine eyebrows? I was like, what? I don't even plug in my eyebrows anymore since the early 2000s. But now that I look at them, I think they're totally right. But then these ones, this side of it, I still have to trim with the trimmer because they get like... Get the tattoo thing. No, you can't get a tattoo of your eyebrows. No, no, no, it's not what you don't do. No, no, it's like the light tattooing. It sort of fills it in, you know? Yeah, but then what if eyebrows shapes drastically change, then you're fucked. You know, it's what happens. Well, I don't think that really affects men too much though, right? Oh, nothing affects men. Okay. What are you going to do? You're going to get like the big art. Like you're going to get like the Betty Davis. No, I'm going to complain about it. No, it's just going to be my thing. That's going to be my new thing. I'm just going to be like, I'm fitting in my eyebrows. You can't make fun of me. I'm fitting in my eyebrows. That'll be my victim cloak whenever anybody calls me out. Well, my eyebrows are very unique in that they go in all different directions and they like... They used to never at least be just fine. And now they're like, like the little antennae, like everywhere. So, you know, that's the best way. You're very handsome. I'll take whatever you have. All right, everybody, welcome to the show today. We are doing... We added a third show to our cabaret in New York City. On June 5th, we added a late show. It's at 9.30. The ticket is just one on sale today. So, go get them right now. Okay, it's going to be fun. It's going to be housewise musical. Okay? You've never seen Ben sing, is it, Erica Jane? It's time you did. Today is a very special day because we have very special guests along with us today for Carrappi Hour. We've got Rachel and Desi from Hollywood Crime Scene Podcast. Ladies. Hello. Hi. How are you tonight? Welcome. I'm worried about my eyebrows now. I know. I know. Be careful. Be careful of that thinning. You never know where the good Lord's going to hit you. I'll tell you that. They're just staring at our faces, picking us apart, like figuring out... That would have made me spiral for like a week. Yeah, be careful of EOET early on set eyebrow thinning. It can happen to anyone. Well, I was just making fun of... I just said something about Brittany's new boyfriend on the valley. I was like, get your thinning eyebrows out of here and I shouldn't have done it. Maybe that's why I did it because I... It's a hex. I had read that comment about myself and so maybe I was seeing... I was projecting my pain onto other people. You shouldn't have... Right on this. Get some power back. Yeah. I'm not the only one. I'm not the only one. It's me and that shlub from the valley too. Get off my ass. Well, welcome to the show, you guys. Tell us your Bravo histories. Like, what are you into? Guys, what are you into? Do you want to go first? I pretty much watch everything except for Below Deck. I'm like, that's where I'm sort of anemic. I've only watched the Salt Lake City episodes. Those two episodes that were up. And I debate getting into it like literally every month. I'm like, should I finally do the dive into Below Deck? But yeah, I watch all the Housewives. I watch Summerhouse. I watch the Southern Charm Universe or whatever the fucking calls. Southern House of Paladins. Southern House of Paladins. It's sort of replaced Vanderpump for me. Like, that's my favorite one now. I was a huge Vanderpump early, but like, yeah, I like it all pretty much. Yeah. Yeah, I'll do that. Bravo Watcher as well. But just the Housewives and Ladies of London, of course. Oh, yeah, that's just so fabulous. It's so good. I'm so curious, Desi, in terms of like, you watched some of the Below Deck with the Salt Lake City women. What was your thought about like Below Deck and those like three or four episodes at the air to the top of the season? Was it like, and Dad keeps on trying to call me out. Go ahead and take it. I really liked the Salt Lake City Below Deck episodes. And I liked some of the characters. I do know like Kate from Traders. Like I've seen her on some other stuff. So I kind of am a little familiar and I know like Captain Sandy and I'm like kind of aware of the discourse. Yes. And I would love like, if someone was like, you have to start with this season. Like this is like where you can start. Then I'm not necessarily like I want to watch. I don't know how connected it is. Do I have to watch it? No, you don't have to watch it. They fire people mostly. They bring on like one or two people that are every season. But you know, I mean, they're cleaning. You have to really be into watching people clean. I actually liked the episodes that I did watch though. I felt like it really showed. I'm like a huge Heather Hater. So for me, it was really good because I was like, yeah, she looks awful. Even worse, I felt like. She did. That was not a flattering episode. It was kind of like happy. And I think there's a lot of hot guys on the show, which is intriguing to me. So yeah, what's about below deck is that a lot of times they have like very hot men on there and by the end of the season, they're so repulsive to you that the idea that you could ever find them attractive at any time is like hilarious. I think if you, I think if you are looking to start with the below deck season, I would just say pick it up again with a down under. It's been a, I think a great season. We've already seen tonight's episode. So we can't say what's going to happen, but I was thoroughly entertained and satisfied by the episode. I was cracking up and by the way, a fish report will be off the hook. It's we have so many seriously. Oh my God, the fish. I was like, yes, they're really up in their fish gang for this one. Yeah, it's good. It's a good one. I think I thought like hot guys that you're repulsed by is like a Bravo staple. Like on all the shows. There's so many guys I was attracted to. And then I'm like, oh, like, when they say if you're ever hopelessly in love with somebody put it on Bravo, it'll, when they start, when they start, like when Seth started feeling himself, I was like immediately turned off. I was like, I liked it when you didn't know you were hot. Like from right. Seth from Salt Lake. Yes. Like once they start DJing and like feeling themselves, I'm like done usually. I'm not hot. I have Meredith Marx's board game here and we've never played it. I'm just, I'm a step off stage. I'm going to bring, I'm going to bring the board here. We can open the box together. I'll take a look around. You guys continue amongst yourself. We're huge Meredith. Yeah, we're huge. Meredith stands. And I have to say that your takes about Salt Lake City this season made me feel less crazy because I don't know what my algorithm on threads was doing, but everyone was wrong. Everyone was team Brittany. I was like, what the fuck is wrong with you? And this is, this is where Bravo becomes unenjoyable sometimes. And I hate that because I'm like, it's fucking Bravo. Like it's not that serious. It's like when you start, but it is, but yeah, but when it was Brittany V Meredith, I'm like, it's clearly, we're clearly all team Meredith, right? Oh, you know, I feel the same way all the time. And it's, it's so fun when you're on the same side as, as everybody, as the audience, but very rarely I am, you know, that's very rare. Yeah, same. And that was one of them where I was going crazy by the end. I was just screaming and yelling by the end of every, I'm like, how can you people not see this? You know, it's like, I get too, I get too involved. I get too, I get too nuts. Yeah. All right, Ben, bring it on baby. You guys, this is the rumors rumors and the Meredith. This was given, this was sent to me actually from Seth Marx himself. I think. Oh my God. I take it. I think you have to see that. It was like, we built with the FCC. Well, the box is very chic. The box is very chic. So here's the story. Here's the, here's the story with all this. We, this was released during Bravo con and we ran into Seth and I was like, Seth, oh my God, my two loves are like Bravo and board games. This is like the perfect union of them both. He's like, oh my God, we got to send you this. We got to send you. And then like, I ran into him like three more times over the weekend. And every time I ran into him, it got bigger and bigger and bigger. That by the end he was like literally saying, Hey, this is Ben. He's going to consult on the board games. He's coming into the business. Our newest investor. I know I was like, well, but they were like, but they sent it. So first we have, there's like a sleeve. I'm going to pull this sleeve off. Nice. I'm asking this. It's hollow just like the accusations. And then, okay, so you have this nice box. Love it. It's very nice packaging so far. It's really nice looking. Actually doesn't look like a board game. It looks like sex toys. Oh, well now it doesn't, but it just, it looks like it could be naughty. It looks like it's a little sex toys. Yeah. You start with those. You start with those and they'll do. You can insert these in places. That's level four. Yeah. There's a shot glass. And of course when I fly, there are planes I only put water in. There's some, there's some pens. These are some dry erase pens. Okay. Here. Oh, there are some caviar tins, but I think these are full of questions. Mark's caviar tins. Yes. And they're full of questions. So this is the Meredith Marks limited edition ages 21 and up rumors and assets game to game. The Truths and Lies collide. I think it's basically a two truths and a lie game. I'm not going to go through all the rules right now because this is actually a good amount of texts. But if I know correct, oh, there is something in here that does seem sort of like a sex toy. There's like a round glass thing. Oh, I don't know. Maybe you open this up and I think there's like different topics. So from what I gather. Oh, here are the questions. I think it's that you really play two truths and a lie. And then you have topics like gossip. There's our coasters. There's a gossip coaster and a betting coaster. And I think you have to say, is this a rumor? Is it a lie? And then what happens is if it's a rumor or if you get it right, you get to put something in your shot glass. And if you get it, you get, you drink from your shot glass. So very exciting stuff over here. I like that she based a whole board game just to kind of validate the fact that people are accusing her of being a lie. Yeah. That's a great, the greatest impression of defense. And on the alcoholic season, putting soft glasses in. Oh, absolutely. These are supposed to be diamonds, but they, it just looks like hard drugs. Yeah. I wasn't doing crystal meth in the bathroom all night. Weirdo. She's pulling from all the, from all the lies. Yeah. She's just fully, she got tired after the timey sex stories. She was like, I came up with timey sex toys. I'm feeling like. Stick this up your ass. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crap and commercial. Being good with money on holiday starts with good habits at home. 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There's a little war, many war, between Teddy, who the internet lovingly refers to as John Mellencamp's daughter. So much. Teddy, you know, just comes out swinging against DeRite. Now, Teddy, as we all know, is a minion of Kyle Richards. She'll do anything for her little Kyle. So if Kyle's gonna go for DeRite, so will Teddy. On her show with Tamara. She said, P.K. says the show created... Hi, I'm Teddy. P.K. says the show created scenarios that did not happen. What about the crying episode when their home was burglarized and DeRite was hugging Mauricio? Was that created? Ooh, Byrne, didn't you cheat on your husband? With a horse? With a horse? With a horse? With a horse? Talk about a Hollywood crime scene. We're gonna judge someone for hugging Mauricio Teddy, really. She went on to say... She talked about more of DeRite's major storylines throughout her Beverly Hills tenure, including the Bucadepepo Room and her Beverly Beach bathing suit line. He said he began to look at DeRite wondering, who are you? At the moment, I was wondering, did he mean because of the plastic surgery or how she mentally was acting? Haven't you had your face done 20 times? Who the fuck, Teddy? How dare you? Oh, God. DeRite has seen the best plastic surgery of all the women on Bravo, in my opinion. I think who... I'm dying to know who her doctor is. I'm dead serious. Like, if anybody knows, I think whatever work she had done was great. It looks great. I actually agree. Yeah. But the weird part is that, like, Teddy is actually defending DeRite here, I think, except for the fact that she just took a dig at the plastic surgery. She is because if PK is saying this is all made up, wouldn't Teddy saying if it was all made up, like, are you saying that your wife's trauma was made up? Are you saying that what she did with the Bucadepepo Room was made up? Are you saying that her Beverly Beach was made up? So she's actually defending DeRite here, which is... Interesting. If you think about it. Yeah. Maybe. It's gonna be really hard. You gotta really think. So Teddy didn't bring up... Because I feel like bringing up Bucadepepo Room is the automatic slam. It's mean. Like, no one's... And Beverly Beach. Those are both slams. Those are the slams. Bringing up any of her businesses is shade, right? Yeah. So even the book. And that's not even out yet. Did PK bring it up or did Teddy? I guess I was confused. Teddy called out more of DeRite's major storylines throughout her tenure, including, so I guess this was Teddy. Yeah. And then he said, PK said, he began to look at DeRite wondering, who are you? And Teddy said, did he mean because of her plastic surgery or mentally she was acting or whatever. So, you know, what a crazy, hypocritical thing to say, Teddy. Although maybe I'll walk back my thing because I just assumed Teddy was saying, so what about this? Was that fake? What about this? Was that fake? But maybe she was saying it like, so was that fake? Was that fake? So I guess I have to hear the tone of her voice to know if she was like questioning if she was fake or was she questioning PK's accusations and. Yeah, yeah. I feel like because of her Kyle connection, it has to be shady personally. Yeah. She's just on there. I think stumping for Kyle is, but um, so to read. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. No, it's just don't get. I don't know who likes Teddy. Like why? Why does she have a podcast? Like what? They have a lot of listeners. So they're out there. It's crazy. I always consider her one of the least popular like housewives, right? Like, I don't know. Maybe I'm just once again out of the loop. She just, yeah, she has like a, for some reason she's still with us in terms of like a pop culture, right? Like in a way that we were not necessarily expecting, but now at this point she's like, they are just their own pop, their own podcast. So now they, she has cash for that, but it was weird that someone said, let's take one of the most popular or at least most known housewives, Teddy. I'm sorry, Tamara. I put her with Teddy because they both have T's in their names. Well, when it started, it was just Teddy and she was doing like murder, a murder show or something, right? It was like a murder podcast. Yeah. Where she's like, Hey, it's Teddy. Someone got paid. I don't know. Whatever. So I think it was like a murder show and then that wasn't working and she had to deal with I hard or whatever. So I think that they were like, okay, let's just bring in another housewife. Like your dad called. Yeah. Your dad called. Your dad, your dad gave us a couple of tips. The first was to fire you, but you're under contracts. So his other was to get another fired housewife. So they got down to do it and tap was a little spitfire. So there you go. That makes match made in hell. The match made in hell. Okay. But yeah, they've got a lot of listeners. And one thing I learned a long time ago watching these housewives shows is there is a fan for everybody, you know, like no matter how unpopular my opinion about current cast, maybe I know that there is at least one or two people who will agree with me and I will search Reddit until I find them and I'll be like, you want to go to last. Yeah. That's yeah. Honestly, I'm the same way. When I see someone on a Reddit board that agrees with my bad opinion, I'm always like, yay. And I'm like, let me see the heat they're getting before I say anything. I'm giving them an up. I have to support them. Yeah. I've had to look at the award. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. I step away because there are too many people that are like, you know what, Ben's always wrong. I'm just like, you know what? Well, it only takes one bad thing, you know, to ruin the whole experience because it's like, oh my God, this is so fun. Listen to how everybody's making fun of Teddy. Oh my God, this is so fun. They're like, Ronnie has sitting brows. I'm like, oh, I'm never coming back here again. It is true though. You'll see people like defending Sesame Street from Potomac. Like people you think are indefensible. Like it's wild. Like you kind of have a safe opinion and you're like, wait, there's Ashley Darby fans. Like what? Yeah. I do feel bad for the people who are like, well, I feel bad for the people who are like, guys, I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I really like Diana from Beverly Hills and was like, oh, fuck you. Like they said it was unpopular. Why are you getting mad at them? If they're wrong. I mean, you got to keep those thoughts to yourself. I think you know when it's like, I think they might secretly think it is popular because why would you do that to yourself on threads, especially like, I don't know. You're trying to find the other people who agree. Yeah. You want community. Or sometimes it's just a person who doesn't realize their Facebook. Their Facebook post is going to threads and they're like innocently. And then they get dragged to hell. Oh God. Yeah. You have to know where you're posting. You have to know how to read the room. You're going to be as nasty as you want on Facebook, I think, because those people over there on Housewives Threads are real bad. I saw Facebook and I go on there and I'm like, oh my God, these people are so horrible. And I'm pretty neat, but I'll read their comments. Oh my God, these people are monsters. Well, there's a lot of like, there's a lot of like aunts and grandmas on Facebook these days. And it's just like people who are just of a different generation did not necessarily grow up with like how to like chat about things on an online forum. And there's a lot of like this person sucks. I think the thing that I always have like the biggest difference with especially like the Facebook type fans is that like the older ones like you're talking about is that I actually enjoy really bad people. Like I don't have to personally think someone's a good person to watch them on television. In fact, I want to do the worst of the worst. And that's where I'm like, I don't get that you have to like someone to watch them on television. And that's sort of where I always sort of disagree with people. I was like, of course she's horrible. That's why she's great. But it's like a sport. It's like a sport, you know, you have to be just just terrible enough to not be completely over like completely cancelable. You know what I mean? Yes. To get right up to that line to get it. Yeah. Someone in the comments says back to hot topics dot dot dot. And I'm like wondering are they saying that we've drifted too far off the topics or are they just making reference to Joy Bayhara is being one of these people who would respond like this. That's the hot topics. They're dying for the headlines. All right. So Dari responded sad, sad to see someone once called me a friend. Go to slow. She said in a comment on their post. P.K. said, oh, oh, sorry. Oh, this is just repeating more Teddy stuff. Never mind. I don't need to repeat any more Teddy stuff. She's repeated enough. But yeah, to reach mad, I guess is the follow up there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the theme. Right. Where do you guys stand? Yeah. Are you guys current with the Beverly Hills reunions and everything? Yes. Yes. Where do you stand on this like Dari versus Kyle situation? Well, obviously I'm team Dari and I'm not co-signing for everyone jumps down my throat. I'm not co-signing Dari's entire run on the show, but in this instance, Kyle's wrong. Yeah. I think so too. I think Dari is correct, but she just has the worst possible way of delivering her defense or her accusations. And I wish I could like coach her because I do think she's right. And Kyle needs to be like taken down a notch. I just don't think she's doing it in a way that the fans like. I agree. And Meredith Marks also has this problem for me. And I love Meredith Marks, but she is terrible at defending herself and explaining what's happened. Yeah. Wouldn't you have you had a toddler at home? Yeah. And I mean, I get it. But I think in both cases, they have people coming for them for shit that they're like, what? I mean, Meredith, they're coming at her like just for random, like you're a drunk and you're a this and you said this. She's like, what do you even, why wasn't even fighting with you guys? Like what? What are we fighting about? And then she just gets to the point like now I'm a drug addict. Now I'm fucking some guy. Now they make me, they make them so crazy that by the end, but Dari really considered, you know, comparing the two, Dari has not taken half that guy from, from these ladies. They're just like, be nicer to PK or you're going to get in trouble, which I don't think that was Kyle's business to say. And I'm always anti-Kyle. I think, I think Kyle's always wrong in these situations. Yeah. And I do think that I do legit think she was wrong. But Dari just takes it to this other level. And then it's every dinner. It's like, but you said Amanda, you talked about it at lunch with so it sounds like, oh God, it's episode 30 of the season. Yeah. Right. It got to, it went too far. It was a repetitive fight. Like it was the same fucking fight every dinner. I think that's where she kind of lost people. Right. I don't know. It wasn't, it hasn't been kind of fun seeing someone really just scolding Kyle at long tests. Yes. We're waiting for someone to, to be like, shut the fuck up. You know, because Kyle has been a shitty girl's girl. She's like not one. She's really been advocating for PK in subtle ways. I agree. Like she like last season was all about Dari kind of begging Kyle to stop talking with PK. And now this time she's like, well, I'm not talking with PK everyone. She's like boasting this. Like, I've been silenced. I'm not allowed to send jokes and memes anymore. It's like, Oh boo hoo Kyle. And Kyle's the one who tainted this relationship. And so I love Dari coming for Kyle. Yeah. And I have this, I have this paradoxical thing where I'm also really enjoying Erica holding Dorit's feet to the fire for being late all the time and being like really she should, she should be called out for that because it is really fucking rude. I think Kyle is terrified of Dari because Dorit knows how the sausage is made. Dorit knows how Kyle operates because she was a part of the Fox force five. So she knows exactly what Kyle's doing. And she is so unhinged that she hasn't been afraid to just directly say it basically and call out what, what she's up to in this instance. Mm hmm. I mean, Kyle, Kyle, I feel like you dislike Kyle. I'm sorry. I'm reading a comment. I got distracted. Oh, I says Ronnie, I feel like you're dislike for Kyle blinds your objectivity towards Dorit. I mean, I think I'm pretty objective. Look, I think I've just said why I think Dorit is wrong in a lot of ways. And Dorit, like you're saying, being late in all of that is so beyond rude. And I've never stood up for that. Some of the things that Dorit is called out for is true and she should be called out and Dorit's been in asshole for years. So I've got really weird being behind Dorit in any sense. The reason I am isn't just because she's against Kyle. It's because Kyle's, Kyle's doing her same tricks that she's been doing for years. It's like she doesn't like someone. So she goes and she works with every other person behind that person's back when that person doesn't really even know what's going on. And then she tries to boot them, you know, and it just bugs me that she has that kind of power. It's been interesting to have that much power to me. Right. I actually find the banter or the back and forth between Erica and Dorit to be more interesting because I do feel like Erica is spelling out her case better in a way that Kyle just doesn't do. And I was like, I would love to see Dorit and Erica really sit down and kind of hash it out calmly or something or as calmly as those two possibly could. Yeah. Cause that I feel like Erica, I think made some points like, whereas Kyle just never lands for me. Kyle is sort of like, uh, like she's giving kids sister energy, which is sort of her role in her family. And you just see how like that dynamic like reemerges time and time again when she gets into fights with people. It's like, but I wasn't the only one. It wasn't just everyone serious. Not just me. It's not just me. Whereas Erica's like, don't fucking talk like that to me. And it's just like, ooh. So like Erica's big Cathy, you know, his kid. Erica's like, I've got double pink eye. You better watch out. I'll give it to you. I'll give it to you. I'll give it to you. Great. I also want to say something else about, um, Ronnie, um, like not being able to be objective about to read. I actually think that as podcasters, we're under no obligation to be objective about any of these people. I think that we, it's like, it is our like right to watch these shows and pick our favorites and warp our minds to come up with any reason why, why we would like them or not like them. I think that's like the fun of these shows. I mean, yes, it's good to like have an open mind and I actually do try to have an open mind. That's why a lot of times on the podcast, I'll say something like, I don't like this person. However, I could see from their point of view, because I, you know, I do like to look at other people's point of views, but I also don't think that this is a journalistic enterprise and we're under no obligation to be objective about like any of these idiots point of views about anything. So I just want to defend Ronnie and not that, not that Trent was coming at you. Trent, I'm not sure. I, and I put it up there because it's something that I hear a lot and especially towards the end of a real housewives of Beverly Hills season. I get it a lot like Ronnie Jesus shut up, but you know, I'm just an audience member. And by the end, every season I try to start like, okay, here's a, here's a clean slate. Who cares? I'm always fine with Kyle until the middle of the season is when I'm like, Oh, I see what you're doing, lady. And I get so pissed. And by the end of it, it's just the same thing over, especially on Beverly Hills that by the end I'm just screaming at the skies. You know, I'm like waving my fist at the skies, like, get off my lawn. All of you. Right. Also, sometimes you just don't like vibe with someone. Like it doesn't have to be that serious. Like you just don't like that. I'm like, right. What are you going to do? Commercials. Here comes one right now. Hey, it's Angela and Vicky from the podcast, Get A Grip. And we are currently brought to you by Cancer Research UK. One constant battle that we all face is the piles of clutter around the place that we don't actually need. Well, this is why donating your things to Cancer Research UK is the way to go. Nearly one in two people will get cancer in their lifetime and all of us can support the research that will beat it. Our purchases and donations help raise vital funds for life saving cancer research. Donate your good quality pre-loved or brand new items to your local Cancer Research UK shop. For more information, visit cruk.org forward slash pre-loved. Looking for love? 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Carly, who first discovered Amanda years ago, went from fifth grade teacher to the owner of her own online hypnotherapy business, which she uses to make women rich through rewiring and regulation. Definitely not a pyramid scheme happening here. Definitely not. So that's who's sticking up for her. Definitely not like, oh okay, so you're a grifter and I can make money if I just pass the grift along, got it. Can I get someone to defend me who doesn't sell crystals or something? Exactly. Can I not have an online hypnotherapy course teacher defend me, Jesus. So someone said, after spending $2,000 on Amanda's courses, Jenna said she found herself $10,000 in debt. Well, would you take it five times, Demi? Did you not take notes? Ronnie, is this your family members, Carly and Jenna? Your sister Carly, your cousin Jenna. It's my sister and my cousin. That's why they're all asking me for shit, no they're not. A 45 year old, she said, I funded her lifestyle for no reason. A 45 year old California nurse named Jessica was equally upset with the lack of results she attained. I was like, I can take this course and make a shit ton of money and achieve more of my vision board goals like living in a bigger house or on the beach, she recalled. But after spending six figures on Amanda's courses in total, including 40 grand in credit card charges and 40 grand from her retirement savings, Jessica felt like she'd entered a black hole. Jessica, I'm teaching a class called This Is Your Own Fucking Fault Humor On. Thank you. That'll be five thousand dollars. You would be better off going into a black hole. I know, here's a class called Here's Some Other Things Six Figures Can Buy You Instead. This is crazy. Oh my God. Yeah, that's a nice one. I'm dumb, but I'm not this dumb. And I feel, I do. It's like I feel bad for these people. I don't feel that bad. Sorry. I mean, they're like 85 year old women or something. They're not dead shots. They're dumb. Yeah, but like. Right. Well, that's kind of where I'm at. I mean, I feel bad too. Like there are vulnerable people who get suckered into things, but you know, you got to be responsible for your own damn self as well. I can see doing it once, one class. But like, if you're down 80 grand, like first of all, where do you even have that money? Where is that coming from? But like, well, like how much money? Apparently, and of course I read this and read it, but apparently one of the teachings is like you spend the money because you're telling yourself, if I spend money like I have money, then the universe is going to be like, oh my God, you're spending money like you have. I'm so dumb. You can't do that. I mean, imagine really eight with that one. That's a great way to get people to keep buying your course. That's actually so fine. You have to have millions. Oh, millions. It's like, oh, okay. I don't know. So apparently it's like you have to spend it so the universe is like dumb and it's like, oh my God, they must be rich because they're spending all that money. Let me send them more money. I would be less annoyed if it was like, if the vibe of our class is almost like Micah's Aunt Leaves to London, which is like, carry yourself like a rich person, carry yourself like you're someone who has immense privilege and you just walk in and you demand the table at the restaurant that you want because you should have it because you're a rich person and like how that energy, like how people will cater to that energy. That's like a legit thing because I do feel like people react to energies like that. But if it's like if you react like that and then you just get money, I'm like, ooh, I don't know if that works out. No, like if you need to spend money to feel like you have money, go to the dollar store. You know, I've done that or like I go to Old Navy and I'm like, I'm going on a shopping spree. You know, I'll spend $300 and walk out there like, with my, I've done that before where I was like chicken tenders on a salad and I said to the clerk, I was like, money is no object. I was like, what's the impossibly charged me? I love it. I love it. So shockingly, Amanda is kind of coming out on top here and it's so weird to see this turn in the last part of the season where people are like, wait a minute, you guys are being mean to Amanda, even me. I'm like, Hey, why is everybody bullying Amanda in this reunion? I don't like it. They're making a tragic, tragic mistake because any housewife worth her, her, her dollar knows that you don't make somebody else look like they're bullied. That makes the fans love the bullied person. So they messed up on that one. When Amanda came in this season, I was like very much pro Amanda because I was like, you know, she's really annoying, but she's annoying all the other cast members and that's fun for me. So I was like, all about it. But then as the season went on, I just was like, no, she's just kind of annoying. And so I kind of like soured on her. But then when talk, uh, when there was discussion about will Amanda come back? I was like, well, obviously she has to come back. So I was like, Oh, so maybe I'm actually warmed back up to her. But on that topic, people were asking her, like, are you going to be coming back to the show? And she responded with, by the way, she has a really annoying Instagram handle, which is XO Amanda Francis, the XO like, what? I do not want the hug in the kiss first. Um, but she goes, why would I want to do that again? So she's not going to come back. No, she'll never give up. She's not going to come back. This is like an infomercial for her business. I mean, why would she go away from it? I need to see the numbers. Yeah. Yeah. I do find Amanda annoying, but I enjoy her on the show. I do agree. Like I do agree that bullying got to, to be too much. Uh, it's like, it's way more enjoyable for me to see Brittany bully than Amanda. Cause I do feel like Brittany's like a bad mom at least. Like, so you can like get, yes. Brittany Bateman. Yeah. I'm not really from, yeah. Um, so it's like, I do feel at some point it's like, she doesn't even really fight back like in a real way, like a dirty way. Amanda. So it kind of gets sad. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. I do enjoy her on the show though. Cause I, I like annoying someone annoying like that on the show. It was interesting. I mean, it did bring the only conflict other than the Doriton and Kyle constant. Yes. Like it's something and I do like the women struggling to deal with her. Like therapy speak, like that's very funny to me. Like generation gap is hilarious. It is embarrassing as a fellow millennial to see Amanda kind of display like the most embarrassing cliche, like, you guys don't give me a wimp in my own house. That's so funny. Like it's funny. Yeah. Yeah. It was hard for me. It's a millennial to watch that. Be like, Oh, please don't. She really is like, like there's a ton of millennials on Bravo, but she is the one who's distilling all the caricatures and put them into one person. And like just everything she says where she's like, after our fight, like I was up until like three AM cause I was having heart palpitations and physiological things. And I really stole my spiritual health, you guys. I was spiritually hurt. And honestly, I still think the funniest moment, and it's a tragic moment, but it was the funniest moment, the moment that like elicited the biggest unexpected reaction from me was when she said, can we like not talk about it? This is the day that, that so-and-so died. And Kathy Alton goes, is that your dog? Oh my God. This is my exact sense of humor. Like if you could just tell it. That went right to commercial. It went right to commercial. And I was like, is that your dog? Oh, I was like, it was one of the funniest things that happened all year that I feel like we really have not talked about enough. Cause I think maybe because it's just like too close to a tragedy, but like that, that was a generation. It's so Kathy too, like, uh, to do something like that. It really is that Facebook diet of the, the AI diet that she saw of Dr. Oh my God. Love it. He does make me laugh. Oh, pretty good. Ben, what, what, what, We should talk about the Bose. Yes. Oh, yeah. Bose. Bose. That was everywhere. I saw this down on threads. Yeah. Yeah. Threads, isn't it funny that threads suddenly became like a place to be, um, after like two years of nothing, all the way to life. But, um, Bose posted a video, uh, defending, you know, the CMO thing because on the reunion, she was saying it's a, it's a position that has a short tenure and Andy was like, does it, doesn't really? Oh, really? I know that. So, uh, she was like, Andy, let me tell you something. It actually is. And look, those Forbes wrote about it and all these different articles wrote about it. It's a short tenure position in the C suite. So she basically defended herself. And then she pivoted to note that, uh, not only is it short tenure cause the CMO, it gets a lot of flack for things that go wrong in the business and the company, but like also that of the like, of like the Forbes 500, there's like only five black women who even hold the position of CMO. So she was kind of like, the vibe was kind of like, how about instead of tearing me down, tearing us down? How about you just like celebrate us instead? Um, so I thought it was a, it was a pretty interesting video. What did you guys think about it? Yeah. I actually saw a really great thread where someone who works in that world, the C suite world, which I know absolutely nothing about, um, broke down why what Bose did is actually very impressive. And she said that the nine years at Pepsi is why she's in so much demand because that's sort of the elite C suite training ground to work at Pepsi. It's sort of the model for every other, um, corporate business in that C suite, I guess area. And she broke it down like in a 24 part thread that I literally read every single tweet, even though I don't understand any of the link. It was like, that's like a full book to us now. I read a 24. It's like, I'm going to, I'm diving in. Like I was just going in and she, and Bose actually commented at the end. She's like, thank you. You said it way better than I ever could and have yet. Like she wasn't able to kind of articulate it as well as this woman, but this woman made it, made it seem like it is a really short, uh, like the four year average, like stay, I know there's longer, obviously. And Bose's were like two years in some cases or many of them. Um, but she did make it seem like it's not really that unusual. And the fact that she keeps getting hired is indicative of that Pepsi background. Like people want her in. And she had a really good test. She just posted, she just posted winning, um, uh, not Apple's music of it. Who was it? Like billboards, music, woman of the year, something that she won when she was an executive at Apple for beats and stuff. So she's had a lot of good stuff. I think, you know, I don't, I don't know what Andy intended. I didn't think that he really was that bad. I just think he said, are there, you know, in his way, right? The offense is like, you know, you go on and you're questioning a black woman's this and that. Honestly, I get that, you know, I get why that would be offensive. My thing was, well, but you've been questioning Amanda's thing this whole time. That's why it was brought up because you were the one comparing your bit. You were the one who pulled up your chat GPT compared to her GPT in a car. You were the one reading yours. Like it was great and hers like it was bad, which by the way is true. Hers is great. Amanda's a shit. Of course. Like we know that. So, but she's the one who kind of brought that in and that's what was being discussed. I mean, it's been two years and I don't think anyone's questioned it. I certainly haven't. I was like, that's not bad ass. Like when we never seen anything like that, you know, on this show. So, you know, I'm also an ignoramus with C sweet stuff. I don't know any of that shit. So I was just like, huh, but I think it was brought into evidence because you got hired at a corporation. That's hard. The concept of a sweet has like entered Bravo. So we're not talking about skincare or a. Of all the businesses that the women of Bravo have had this one honestly seems like one of the most legit ones that I've like never questioned them in like, what is it that she does? Like I just never cause we're just like, we don't even know. Good. I almost want Bose. If she comes back next season, which I hope she does, I almost want her to lean more into like her experience as someone in corporate America, because you have to know, like she works in corporate America. She's been with like some, like she's just been in a different world. And when she sees some of the people on her cast talking about business, you know that she's like, these people have no fucking idea what they're talking about. And this is painful for me. And I almost want her to just, just be like, you're an idiot. Shut up. Shut down your, shut down your business. This is a failure. You know, like I want her to like actually show her expertise. Well, especially considering how close she is to Reid, who has like the most insane businesses of almost anyone on the show. Like she constantly has something weird going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I think, I think the audience in general really respects Bose's career. I mean, it's pretty impressive. We haven't seen anything like that. So, you know, I think they just should not talk about career stuff because you start talking about, we're watching housewives. You know what I mean? Like I don't, it's too much for me. I'm too stupid for this. It's like, cause then you're, think about how I feel. Okay. Bose, when you start talking about business, you make me talk about it in a recap. And then I look even dumber than I already. So can we just let me leave me alone? Okay. We want jobs we can make fun of cause we know. Exactly. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. Exactly. I want to see like another toaster oven, uh, you know, as a, as a, as a control thing. That was killer. You know, so Alvi in the comments is saying that Andy has continued to argue with Bose in comments and stuff, which I have to say, what do you say? Did you guys see it? I saw, he said, well, what do I know? He said, well, I just remember the, what do I know? Cause I heard it in Ben's voice doing Andy. That's how we hear him now. What do I know? Does this comment have new boobs? Tell me how long do implants last in the C-suite? Uh, one thing I loved about this whole, uh, C-suite argument over the week in the fandom was just reading all these thousand comment threads of people like, well, I've been in a C-suite for 20 years and let me tell you, and like everybody is suddenly a C-suite expert. I was like, there's no way that everybody in this thousand comment Reddit thread is now a C-suite expert. You guys stop with your constant playing. I never even heard of C-suite until like eight months. Honestly, I had no idea. It was called something. Well, scissors from my desk wants to know, are you allowed to have double D's in the C-suite? Yeah, exactly. Oh my gosh. Well, you guys, this has been so fun and all Beverly Hills. You guys check out, uh, check out the Hollywood crime scene pockets. Have you guys done, um, housewives episodes? Who have you done? Give us a list of people. Erica, um, Jane, and then we just did a, I think we did a Mishmash that had a lot of Kim Richards, uh, Kyle, but we want to do like a whole Richard sister. I'm trying to get this book that's been out of print for a while. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. And it has like a lot of that that I want to get. It's not also helped. This has been out of print. No, it's not house of Hilton. I think it's a different one, um, that had a lot of the early years, um, the diary of Kyle Richards. Yeah. Uh, so I want to get that, get dive into that family. We're like huge Kim, Kim. We love him. She's one of my favorite. We miss Kim. Um, yeah. I saw that she was at that fan event this weekend signing autographs and stuff. So that was good. Did you see that? I didn't see that. You know how she, she did it on Beverly Hills where they would show her going to autograph signing events where they're like, here's the star of, you know, chips or whatever. This is some on chips. 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