Botox, Beauty Standards, and Things I Said I’d Never Do (But Did Anyway)

Is it true that Botox can help with headaches? I think that is true. I've heard that, yeah. Yeah, maybe I'll use that as my excuse. Yeah, my migraines are so bad. I've never had a migraine in my life. There is some type of moral duty if you're in the public eye to be transparent about some of those things. Yeah. I will be getting my breast blood. I don't want my nipples to be cross eyed. Nothing honestly has revealed my own hypocrisy more to me than being a parent. I'm gonna make them everything from scratch. No preservatives, nothing processed. There was like a seven month period where I made that kid frozen chicken nuggets with shake, Parmesan cheese on them every single night. Welcome back to Always Tears. We're your host Abby Howard. And Abby Howard. And wow. Life is speeding up fast. It's crazy. I know, I'm glad. I like a fast pace. I know. I feel like you've been on the move on the go. Really? I guess I've been to Rhode Island. I guess that's true. That felt like a fever dream. Addy and I went to Rhode Island. For like 48 hours. Like 48, not even really, fully. Yeah, it was, most of it was airplane. Airplane. Lots of airplane. That's a long flight from Arizona. Well, they flew us to Boston and then we had to drive. It was like an hour. I've been to Boston one time and had amazing pizza with my dad and so good so that my dad asked the owner if he could chip it to our house and they said no. Oh. Yeah. Was that embarrassing for you? No, because I was like, dad, we got to get this pizza in St. Louis. Chip it. Oh, wow. There's a service that does that. They'll send you pizza from New York, like your favorite place. Wow, that's a good idea. But I mean, I think the restaurant has to be like a collaboration. Yeah, of course. Like being on it. They have to be. They have to be. They're not like going to just door dash it. But yeah, we went for just a quick work trip with CVS and bearing back. Was that your first work trip? Kind of like that? That one. And then you took the door. They're all kind of different, I feel like. Same general thing. Yeah, I wouldn't say it was the first. They're all kind of just different like that. What I've noticed is that I've been, this is my second time going with you on most, it's mostly work that we're doing. And our downtime is reading our Kindles. Yeah, we did. We're just those girlies that we just, we went and got pedicures and read our Kindles. Kids, you don't get a time to read. That's actually the thing that I mourn the most. Reading. Reading. I know. You get the whole plane ride. Whole plane ride. Almost read our whole book club book. Hey, good. Can I borrow it? Okay, I'll tell everyone what happened to your book club book. My book club book is soaked in water also. It's still wet. Oh, I'll take it wet. That's fine. Yeah, I read the whole thing. I'll read it outside. They're all like soaked in. My water bottle was undone in my bag and I had a pool like standing. She took everything out and then went and dumped it in the bath. That's the worst feeling. It's a river or river. It was so dumb. Like I didn't even close this thing. Oh, I mean it happens. Maybe the turbulence or not the turbulence, the air pressure. Oh, it dried it up. I mean on the airplane, if you have your hydro drug lid closed and it could shoot now, it's got to release that pressure. Seriously. Let's also say Abby talks about her attention span a lot, but this was a five hour flight. Abby read that book all five hours. So it's a good book. Not a minute taken away on scrolling on her phone. There was wife on the plane. She just kept reading. Wow. Right? I think I fell asleep for a minute. I even finished a book in the time length I have. That's my attention span. I think it's good. I was entertained. Also, I am just entertained. Yeah. That's me entertained. Happy. Well, our book club book, if you guys are curious is atmosphere by Taylor Jenkins-Reed. So when are we talking about that? Two weeks. Three weeks. I probably don't have as much time as I need. Yeah, I don't have the time. My body will book this. Don't worry you guys. I will finish it. It's got me really interested in space. Cool. I read this book I read recently. Nice. And I didn't think I was interested in space. Now I am. Yeah. I was trying to teach CJ the planets the other day and I learned that I don't remember the planets. Okay. So Neptune was the one that I was forgetting. Oh, that one's a forgettable plan. That one's forgettable. Literally as I'm reading this book, I'm like, which one of us three is the most likely, if we're given the opportunity to go on a rocket ship to space? 100% you. You. Yes. Who were you going to say? I was Turbulence. Oh, Abby was getting scared. I was like, yeah, but you're down for a ride. I'm too loud. You would just go and do it. You would never skydive. I have a fear of heights. So I feel like the rocket. Tell you it's a different fear. Up there, I was not afraid of the height aspect. Were you afraid of the plane? It was duct taped. No, multiple. It was covered in duct tape. We actually did talk about that too. On our way to the airport, we were talking about it. And Abby convinced me I don't want to go skydiving. I'm actually more afraid of skydiving after having skydived. It didn't seem like something that would give me a happy thrill feeling. I think it would get down and throw up. It does. I did get that, but I also couldn't breathe the whole free fall. Yeah. Because the wind is blowing in your face so much. I was literally like, I'm going to pass out. I'm going to pass out. Because I couldn't get a breath of air. Yeah. It's really sad. The person I was attached to, because you have to tandem fly your first time, has since passed skydiving. Oh, wow. I know. He said that. He was going to die going out that way. Wow. I was like, I was going crazy. I was doing more risky jumps. It wasn't just a normal... By the way, I don't think skydiving is really that dangerous. But when you just look at it... Was he doing base jumping? He was doing squirrel jumping, base jumping, stuff like that. Anyway, enough about me. My book is soaking wet, but it's also now because it dried. It can't close all the way. So it's like... Honestly, that's for the best. I probably needed to be just a little of jar so that I'm like, I'll get in there and I'll read it. It's open already. It's already open. I just got to go read it. No, yeah. It was a good trip. We made it fun. Yeah, we did. And we got to meet some fun people too. It was good. It was good. Got to see the East Coast for a bit. It was very gloomy. Gloomy and cold. It was good to come back. It makes you appreciate it more here. Appreciate the sunshine. I could see that. I mean, there's so much sunshine here. Sometimes I'm like, the gloomy days feel so... It was gloomy yesterday. It was cozy. Yeah. I was like, I'm wearing a sweatshirt today. It was cozy. Well, on Sunday, have you guys been to Pizzeria Bianca? No. I can't remember if I've been or if I've just heard you talk about it. I talk about it all the time. It's so good. It looks so good. The chef, Bianco, I forget his first name. Wait, really? Yeah, it's Chef Bianco. He has a show, like, an episode on Chef's Table on Netflix. And it was the first episode. And Caleb was on a plane from somewhere. And the lady was coming to Phoenix just to try his restaurant after watching that. So we watched it. And he really hypes up his food in this episode. So I feel like whenever something is really hyped up, naturally, I think, it's not going to be that good. Because I'm like, it's just the expectations are so high. You are just like Matt. Yeah, I think it's maybe it's a middle child thing. His expectations can completely make our break an experience. He has low expectations and it surprises him. Amazing experience. He has really high expectations and it disappoints him. No, actually, I'm not like that. He just shuts down. I don't think I'm like that. No, no. But Caleb is like that. And that's why I think he likes to properly, he has to like properly prepare for something before he goes. Okay. Because he has to adjust his expectations. Okay, yeah. But I just think when it comes to food, a lot of times I'm like, yeah, it's good, but it's not this incredible experience. His food is incredible. And it's so simple and so flavorful. So if you guys are coming to Phoenix, you have to stop at Pizzeria Bianco's. You have to go. It's yeah, every time I go, the quality is the same. It's amazing. So he went there on Sunday with my parents and then my parents left to go back home, which was sad. Yeah, my mom's going to come back a little bit in a couple of weeks, but my parents snowbird thing has come to an end. Is she going to make it to our live event? She will be back in town for that. I do believe, but I also do believe I'll be putting her to work that day. Okay. Yeah, it should be the first setting up and all that. She's coming. I think so. Yay. Yeah. Wait, did I hear that right? We have a live event happening? Yeah, you're going to be doing a local live event. I don't know how much details we're going to release right now because we're still in the works, but it's happening in April. Yeah. It's going to be for the Arizona girlies. They'll be a sign up in advance. It'll be really fun. Yeah, I'm excited. I feel like this will be something that hopefully we can replicate or, you know, learn about setting up events because we're kind of doing it a little, we're doing a little, we're doing it a little biggie. Yeah. A little bigger than what we've done in the past. So I'm really excited. Excited to meet y'all. They're able to come. Did you still want to do a hope and a hard day? I feel like that was my hope and a hard good pizza. Sad parents leaving. My hope is I got a spray tan and it really uplifts my spirit. That is my heart is glowing. Thank you. My heart is also that I got a spray tan. I had to be naked in front of this poor cute little tiny sweet girl. Has no children. And I don't know. I tell it. I'm ashamed of my body. I'm so, I'm not that at all, but it is just like it's vulnerable and I just described like my body before kids versus my body after kids. I just describe it as maybe more womanly, more mature, things are different. And I'm just like, sometimes I'm like, I don't know if I would have, if you would have just like, if I would have stood naked before myself, before kids, after kids, I would have been like, wow. Okay. It's changed. This is different. I feel like she's used to this probably, but also all of the girls she spray tans are just very cute little young people. I know. It's like, I don't think anything of it. And then I'm exposed to someone and I'm like, well, you know what? I'm thinking about it now. And it was so cold. The sprayer is cold. I was like, ah, these are happening to my nails. This is so vulnerable. Oh my gosh. I can't have my underwear on. I was like, we are not, those are brown now. These are sacrifice. These are going in the garbage. Do you guys, do you? I've actually never had a person spray tan. Have you had a spray tan? Yeah, I go naked. Whoa. You take it off? In my book, they do this for a living. Do they tan your? No. I mean, you're not like that open. I was doing poses. But they're not getting down there. I was literally doing this. I didn't feel like it. So then everything's tan except that. I didn't feel like it was that. I'm sure they got the tan. No, I didn't feel like it was that invasive. I don't know what I, what I did. She's looking invasive, but you are negative that someone has a sprayer. Does it for a living? It's like my gynecologist. Like they do it for a living. The spray tan is doing for a living. Come on. Oh my gosh. It's so cool. I mean, yeah, I don't think. I think once you undress, it's better. Like me, like I'm taking my clothes off and I'm like trying to make conversation. Oh, she stays in the room. I guess. Yeah. Why would she leave? She did stay. I think about that when I get massages. I'm like, oh, I'm so exposed. Literally under a sheet. I'm like, this feels weird. They know I'm naked under here. They were rubbing on my back. You know, like it just feels vulnerable. It is a vulnerable experience. Thank you to Flamingo for sponsoring this portion of today's episode. I don't know if you guys have ever thought about it, but having a good razor is extremely important. And why is it kind of hard to come by? It really is. Especially in the female space. For the last three years, I used Caleb's razors because five blades sharp and they move so well. We might be feminine, but give me a man's razor, baby. We need a good shave. We need a good shave. We need a durable razor. We do. We do. 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This set includes the Flamingo Original Razor, one five-blade cartridge, one ounce foaming shave gel, and a shower holder. Just head to shopflamingo.com slash abbey to claim this offer and after you purchase, they'll ask where you heard about them. So please support our show and tell them that we sent you. Oh, I started trying frownies. Oh yeah. Okay, I started doing these because... Hey, I think it... I was watching your video. Your skin was really looking great. It's really looking great. Thanks. I've only done them five times. How much are they? Are they expensive? It's $25 a box. And I think the box lasts... They're one-time use types of things. Yeah, it's almost like... Okay, so if you're not sure what frownies are, they're basically craft paper stickers with glue on the back. This is like not exactly how it is. But you wet it and then you put it on your forehead and you have to make sure that it's not too much. And then you put it on your forehead and you have to make sure that it's not too much. They're basically craft paper stickers with glue on the back. This is like not exactly how it is. But you wet it and then you put it on your forehead and you have to make like almost like a cast on your face and it hardens. And you do it while you sleep so then your face... It's like controlling your muscles and freezing them for a long extended period of time. So you have to stay consistent with it. I was reading a lot of the reviews and people say, you know, you do them, it wears off after like an hour. If you continue to use for like 30 days and then 90 days, you don't have to wear them all night. Like your face will stay longer the more often you do them. Does that make sense? I guess. Like what's happening? I don't just know. You said they stink. You have to wear them all night. They smell bad. Yeah. It's just the glue that smells. I sleep in them. Yeah. Is it uncomfortable? No. Really? I mean, it's like, yeah, you can't... But you're not talking or making facial expressions and it's glued to your head. I'm wondering, I thought that might bother me though. But maybe I'll try it. I sleep on my back. I'm not a stomach sleeper or really a side sleeper. So I don't know. I'm a side sleeper actually. Sometimes I'm on my side. I'm kind of on my side, if I'm totally honest. Okay. So I'm doing different things. But my face isn't in my pillow. It's turned to the side like this. Yeah. I think it'd be fine. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I'm 29 and I think with pregnancy and first part of my skin is so dry. I just look in the mirror and I'm like, dang, I'm aging. Aging. So I wanted to do something that... Like a fine wine. Thank you. More womanly. Thank you. Yeah, I just, I look and not that I feel insecure about my wrinkles, but I'm like, hey, there's something I can do now. It's natural and low key. Whatever, why not take care of my skin and try to extend that. And I've never been opposed to Botox, but it's just not something that I want to do right now. So I'm like, well, let's just try this in the meantime. That's great. And hey, probably way cheaper, less invasive. Way cheaper. I see who put Alexa Pennevega posts about those all the time. She's right. That's how I knew about them. Yeah. And she uses them a lot. And you can get them for different parts of your face, like forehead, they have them for the eyes. I'm just doing my forehead right now. I just can't wait for, I have really chubby cheeks. It's just a fact of life. And I feel like, like there's some perks to that with aging. Yeah. But also I just feel like they're going to sag. I'm going to hang and I'm going to fall. No, I doubt it. No, that's fine. We all get it. This is honestly a great segue into our topic for today. Thank you. That's why I said it. Okay. Well, I was actually going to ask about your frownies because I saw you use it in a video and I heard you say they were stinky. Yeah, they kind of smell, but not enough to make me not use them. It's just when they get wet. It's like the glue. It's a price of beauty. It is. So today we are talking about Botox and fillers. We are. I want to know the stats. Well, I read a crazy, well, when I was doing these frownies, I was just thinking about it. I feel like, you know, I'm 29 and I've just seen so many girls my age and way younger than me start with injectables. I looked at the stat and said, while the average age for treatment is 43, 24% of clients are aged 19 to 34. And I was pretty shocked by that by a quarter of Botox clients are 19 to 34. I feel like the thirties makes sense, but like young twenties and stuff. I just was really surprised by that. Um, and I definitely feel like that's the way that culture has gone. And what I just almost feel like has become the norm within beauty. But I have some thoughts on it that I like, definitely want to share. Yeah. I honestly like bringing this up like we were like talking about, I'm so interested in the conversation of Botox and fillers is something I've personally explored, but it's something I've been like, I've just never really had to collect my thoughts personally on it. And so when I knew we were going to talk about it, I knew that Sadie Robertson and her mom had a conversation on it. So I listened to that because I was like, it was so good. I don't have like well developed thoughts on this. And I just kind of like wanted like some perspective too. You hear so much in the media too. You also see Botox like done really well. You see people that look amazing, that are like old and you're like, what? Why does your like probably they're doing something. And so I just feel like there's just like so much out there. And like, I also have a lot of friends that are like talking about doing it. So I'm just like, I'm interested to have this conversation. And as like, I'm like now nearing the end of my twenties myself, like entering there. I honestly, I feel like when you have kids, it's like you get a couple extra rings on your tree. I mean, yeah, we know. And so I'm like, it's definitely been something on my mind more. And I'm like, I don't know what my personal opinion is on this. Yeah, I feel like it's something and this is where I almost had to stop to question. I'm like, it almost felt that I said, of course, I'll eventually do Botox. Like it was just almost like that's the norm. That's the expectation. And I then I was like, wait, that's kind of crazy that the expectation I have is that I'm going to go spend thousands of dollars on something to try to achieve a standard. And I'm not saying I'm never going to do it. Like I I feel like I probably will eventually at some point. And I actually have done it in the past. Talk about it. I did it once when I was 24 and I want a gift card and to a med spot. And I went and got it done. And I actually previously gone to my friend at social media in Kansas City and she brought me to one of her events there. And I got a consultation at this salon event and the lady was like, hey, you're 24. You're really young. You barely have wrinkles. But if you wanted to do something preventative, I would maybe do like 11 units on your forehead. So 11 syringes. No, I don't really know what the difference between a unit and a syringe is. Is that like, yeah, I'm not a fluid. Yeah, I'll add you can fact check that one. But usually it's like $10 a unit, maybe or $10 a syringe at that time. That's what it was. So roughly it was going to cost $110. So in my head, I had that number as I go, hey, that's not what I want to spend right now. Do you have a fact? Yeah, a syringe is 100 units. So like a full syringe is 100 units. Oh, OK, that's yeah. So it wasn't very much. I wasn't getting any of that. I was getting the 10 to that. OK. So yeah, 10, 11 units. So I had that in my head. So then when I won this gift card, it was $200. I went to this med spot and the lady said, minimum, I'm going to put 30 units in your forehead. And I said, well, that's like a lot more than I was expecting because I previously been told this and she said, well, I wouldn't even do anything less than 20 units on your 11s. So I had a $200 gift card that I spent fully just right here in between my eyebrows that I wasn't even concerned about my eyebrows. I wanted like my forehead wrinkles and that really rub me the wrong way. I felt like she kind of took advantage of me. Like I mean, I had a consultation. So that's where like I feel like a lot of my thoughts on this come in is that I feel like when girls are young, they've been selling this idea of preventative Botox. And that's been the the conversation. Like micro Botox preventative Botox start now while you're young. So you don't have as many wrinkles later and it's not as expensive. But if you're still going and spending $100 to $300 when you're 22 and it metabolizes in three to six months, like that's so much money and like these people's pockets that really I'm like, it wasn't beneficial. Like I feel like when you're that young, we are in our fountain of youth, you know, like four year olds are trying to look like what we naturally look like in our 20s. And so that was kind of like, I was like, Hmm, this is not really something that I think I should be keeping up at this point. And also just like the financial aspect wasn't in the, it wasn't even in the conversation, but I was like, dang, this is really kind of an interesting marketing tactic. I think it was like preying on our fear, like my fear of getting older in like aging at such a young age when it's like, I'm actually, my skin is perfect. My skin producing collagen amazingly. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, that's a good point. The, I just found this thing that says how much Botox do I need? And it shows each segment. So for your 11s, it says it's typically 10 to 30 units. So the fact that she wanted to start with 20 is kind of, I know, and I didn't even have wrinkles in my 11. So these are just interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I just felt really taken advantage of in that appointment. Did you like the results? You know what the, it's kind of funny how they kicked in because it takes two weeks for it to fully settle and work. And I remember the one day my eyebrow like had fully froze and I was making videos when I had my clothing store at the time and my one eyebrow and the one video is like not moving in the other eyebrows moving. I'm like, this is kind of scary. Hopefully it doesn't stay like this. Oh, I hate that feeling when you get dental work done and then your mouth and moving and take a drink of my straw. To be honest, I didn't really notice the big difference. Okay. Yeah. I was so young. I just didn't really have any wrinkles. Well, okay. On the other side of things, when people I see that have like, I'm like, oh, wow, their skin is like, really looks really great. The front, my friends are like very transparent. They're like, oh, it's because I get Botox. I know they look amazing. Like it's really shiny and like smooth. And I thought it was like, I thought it was like what exfoliator are you using? I wouldn't have necessarily attributed that to Botox. I would have attributed that to some type of skincare, some type of serum, some type of like, I don't know, maybe red light. I was like, what is it? And then they're like, honestly, I just keep getting Botox and they said it makes your makeup lay on, like go on really nicely. I believe that. And so I was like, oh, that's awesome. But I'd never something I've like seriously considered. I feel like it's one of those things where I'm like, once you start, it feels like another thing to do. It's like, I already get my hair done. I get my nails done. Like I'm like, it's just another thing like to add on like regularly, like the maintenance of being a woman that grooms herself. Like, and so I'm like, gosh, I got a spray tan. Heck. Like, and so I guess that like opens up the conversation of like, where do you draw the line? Because in my head, I'm like, okay, it's really important to be content and confident in like who you are naturally. But I'm also like me saying that I wear makeup basically every day. I get my hair highlighted. I have a spray tan right now. I get my nails done. I wear clothes that flatter my body. Like I are, I tried to. And so things like that. I'm like, where does the line draw? Where does it become like an issue? Where does it become too far? And so that's like what I've been thinking about, like, and preparing for this. Like, where is like the line for me? I got my teeth done for heaven's sakes. And so that's like a big, that's permanent. Like, and so yeah, like navigating that, like, where does it become a problem? Cause I think we can all agree that it can become a problem and it can become a thing where it's just one more, another thing, another thing, another thing. Right. And the other issue that I find with this type of like, I don't know what to call it, like slippery slope. Is that the more you hear about these procedures, the more you were like, Oh my gosh, wait, is that a problem I have? Like you guys were telling me about procedures with eyelids. I never once thought twice about my eyelids. Yeah. Uh, you might like chin, foreheads, hair, like everything just, I'm like, I didn't even, I never thought twice about these things. And it's one thing to hear it. I feel like now is like a mom of two and like 27. And I'm like, okay, I feel like I have like a balanced head on my shoulders. Or I'm like, okay, this is a little bit, this is a little bit extreme. Right. But if you were young and like 16 and hearing these things, so you're just like probably just examining in the mirror, like, okay, what are my eyelids doing? What are my nose? What is like all these different things. And then I also feel like I'm on a tangent here. They would all start looking the same. If we're all getting the same procedures done and these cosmetic surgeons are doing the same things, essentially, like we're all just starting to look more and more like each other. Right. And that's not necessarily how we were designed. So basically like, where do you draw the line? For sure. I think that's always the question. And I guess I, I mean, I have zero judgment towards people that get anything. Like young, old, whatever. I'm like, I have a chicklet teeth right now. I will probably get Botox. Like it's not anything that I have judgment, but I think it does. The questions need to be asked. Like when is it, when is it damaging or when is it okay? Like I think that those are the questions we all need to ask ourselves before we make those decisions to do it. And sometimes I'm like, when really young people are going in to like get injections or filler or different things, I'm like, dang, it just, I'm like, is your the, I don't know, just like you have such, you're so much longer in your twenties and your 30s, like grow in your confidence in yourself. And I feel like at that age, you know, my young twenties, like there were a lot of things that I felt insecure about and I was just becoming a woman, you know. And so then to have these messages of like, oh, you're not pretty enough. You're not young enough. You're not, you don't, you don't look at this, like, look at that. It's like, I think it's easy then to think, oh, I have to do something to like change my appearance, to have confidence or be pretty or like follow the standards of the world and what they say we should do. Um, and so I just feel like that's a really, like I just feel like those are hard messages for young women to hear. Yeah. Agreed. And so it's like, if you're trying to go in to make a change because you feel insecure about something, I feel like that is like a different question versus like, oh, I get my hair highlighted because I have gray hairs and like, I want to cover in my gray hairs or get my hair cut because it's healthier. You know, like, I feel like there's a difference between maintenance and then like changing something because you feel really insecure about something. Like those are two different motives. Right. That is true. That's a good point. And so none of those motives are bad. I just think that you need to evaluate deeply and like think through them really clearly. Yeah. Permanent decisions. Like maybe by the time you're in your thirties, hopefully your sense of self is more established, more, and it's not like dependent on these like procedures, these like external things. Yeah. And, um, I guess like when I was first like talking it over, I kept like thinking, I'm like, okay, your confidence can't be reliant on this. And I don't think that was actually the right word. I feel like it really is like, like Sadie and her mom were saying, like it's your contentment can't rely on that. Right. Because I can say, because I was talking to Maddox, my goes, I got a hair transplant. I feel more confident now. Yeah. And then I was like, well, I guess that's like, I do feel like a little bit more confident when I'm put together. And like, that was actually even my advice at one point. I'm like, just do a little bit of something that gives you like a little bit. And so it's like, it's not necessarily confidence. I do think that confidence does go much deeper than that. Like true confidence and like identity in yourself goes much deeper than that. But I think there's a certain level, like if you can get that shallow threshold of confidence boost from like these, some of these external things. Right. But truly, if it's like your contentment in yourself, like you feel like settled in your own skin with what you have, with how you're showing up for people, like that can't come from these procedures. Like that's where I think it becomes a problem. And then people are just continuing to spend money and pursue the next thing, the next thing, the next thing. And then then you look in the mirror and you don't even recognize yourself anymore. Yeah. And I also think, okay, this is another, I don't even know if we're ready to jump to the next, my next thought about this. Yeah. As someone that is like in the, like we're people in the quote unquote public eye. Yeah. This is something that my opinion has changed on. And I used to think, okay, like even if you're in the public eye, you don't owe anyone anything. Like you don't have to tell them the squat about your life, especially if it's like regarding your health or something, just like private in nature. And I do have a caveat now. And I really do think that there is some type of moral duty. If you're in the public eye, especially like towards other women to be transparent about some of those things. Yeah. And it's not necessarily like, okay, you don't need to give them the details of your personal life. But if they're like looking at your face every day and they're like, why does my face not look like that? Like, gosh, I can buy her makeup. I can buy her skincare. I can buy, like I can, you know, do the red, like I can do these things. It's just not really looking the same. I think there is a more, I think there is a moral duty there. Yeah. And like it's not shame for anyone that isn't doing it, but I personally feel that. So like, I don't know. No, I agree. I think, I think one, it's, it's really good, especially if like younger viewers that have these expectations of like, I want to look a certain way, but I obviously can't achieve that. Right. And so like what you're saying, I just, I second that a lot. I really deeply respect people when they do share what they've done because it is deeply personal and it probably is hard. And it, well, I think too, like when you are public and you start talking about, Oh yeah, I did this to my face. I got this or that. Then people are like, Oh, she was insecure. She wanted to change. And it does open them up to like, I think trolls to really pick on them. Right. And so I really respect people when they do share. Cause I'm like, that was hard and probably like scary to share. Um, and I think you're right. I, I, especially to the younger viewer, I'm like, I think it is important to know that like, that's just not, it's okay that that's not natural. And you know, I think it helps set the bar of expectations for self. I think since it's getting more normalized, people are sharing more about what they've had done, different things. Like Kylie Jenner came out and said exactly what her boobs, how she got them done. And then people are like going and getting that exact style, like everything. And like, that's the thing. And that's all this whole talk made me think about Pamela Anderson. So she stopped wearing makeup a few years ago to everything. She never wears makeup anymore. And it's different. Like you see her on a red carpet with no makeup on and it really just, we're so used to everyone being so glam on those carpets that you're like, whoa. And now you just know her that she's just going to show up and just be herself. And so that's kind of the opposite of being in the public eye. And she said, uh, she described it as a rebellious move against Hollywood's beauty standards. And that's awesome. Just that aging is natural. Women shouldn't feel forced to hide their aging and it's been fun and freeing for her. I think that's really interesting because my mom has never had anything done to her fate. My mom has had some intense facials and lasers and things like that. So maybe you would consider that, but she's never had Botox or anything. I think she's done a really good job. She has three daughters of like setting this example of aging naturally and graciously. We were kind of talking about this. Your mom is the same. Like I look at our moms and like in your mom too. Like they're so beautiful and they've aged so well. Um, and just shown like a really natural progression of that as a woman. And I do think it is sad when I think about, oh yeah, that's just my expectation. Like I'll eventually end up getting Botox. Part of me is like a little sad that I'm like, Oh dang, now I have a daughter and like what's example is that setting for her? Like is she going to look and think, okay, eventually I'm going to have to make changes to my face or, you know, do some of these more extreme measures to like keep up. And I think that is like really something strongly that I think about a lot. Like, I don't know what the right answer is. Uh, that was my other big point that I think about a lot because I think you also have a specific duty, not just in the public eye, but also as a mom. And I think especially to daughters, but I don't, I think the same thing extends to boys as well. Like when you make permanent alterations to your body, specifically your face, like think like genetics that you are, you can probably see like mirrored in your children, changing that. Like I, I can't speak from experience because like you said, like my mom has just, she's never had anything done, literally anything done except for dyeing her hair. I can't say that from that experience, but I have to, I have to assume that there would be like a question opened up in my mind. Like if my mom had to, okay, for instance, I don't like love my nose. Let's just put my insecurities out there. I don't love my nose. We treat. Oh, that's fine. You have a great nose. I've never thought that it's fine. And we just trade market as the biz ball knows my maiden name. And, um, it's just one of those things. And I'm like, man, okay, even if I like go and I, first of all, maybe I'm a hypocrite, I don't see myself changing this ever. You know, it's, it's just how it is. It's me. It's my nose. And, but also like, what does that implication mean for like my children? Like what if they're like, did my nose look like moms and then she ended up changing it? Or like, I just, I just do think it opens up like a, what's wrong with me then? Or like, do I need to get this changed too? And yeah. Yeah. I'd be curious if people, people leave a comment if your mom did stuff and it made you want, because I genuinely want to know. And I've never talked to anyone. Like I would love to read the comments on that and get people's opinions because I feel like that is like, I'm just sharing my thoughts. Like, I don't know. From my experience, my friends that have moms that had work done, which I also think that the numbers are, as you're saying, like the statistics are going up like crazy. So we're going to have a lot more data for like really our kids generation. Yeah. But, um, my friends, their moms have more work done. They, they have sought a lot more plastic surgery. Yeah. Like permanent. Totally. I mean, it desensitizes it. You know, it's like, Oh, that's just an expectation. My mom did that. Of course I'll do it. I think that's part of it too. It's like the desensitization of it all. I mean, we grew up in the Midwest where this is still like, decently taboo. I would say like, it's just a little bit of a different culture around it. Like there, there were the Botox moms, you know what I mean? And they were kind of like, I don't know what you mean. Oh, really? Growing up in a small town is an amazing bubble because like I was saying, like growing up, I had no idea what Lululemon was. I didn't know what any nice brain was. Everyone shopped at TJ Maxx and Old Navy. Like everyone's clothes were from there or Walmart or like the thrift stores. Like there was no like next level there. No one, everyone had the same hairdressers. Like no one, there was no, but I can mark my words. There was like literally not one person I was doing any type of med spa treatment. There was no med spas. And so like that was just not a thing. And then, and so I don't even remember even a talk of like plastic surgery. I just remember my mom and grandma was being like, oh my, like it was just like the ultimate vanity. And so like, and like vanity was like really like. Discouraged, like highly discouraged, which I think is a good thing, but also it is like it opens up the conversation of like hypocrisy in a way. Cause like, where do you draw the line? Because my grandma also like love her to death. And I say this like in an admiring way. Cause I do, I think it's womanly and sweet and cute, but she would show up to her water aerobics class with a full face of merit makeup, her hair curled. And when you're so mad, if she got splashed. Right. So it's like she would literally like complain. She's like this guy. Blast me. In the pool. And I have my makeup and my lips. She would never let me take a selfie with her without lipstick on. And so, and so anyway, it does just like, there's just so much conversation. So many, like I have so many untethered thoughts in this area and so many like same disconnected, hypocritical, potentially like thoughts in this area. And so I just like, yeah, cause like they're saying, I feel like the Botox thing. I was like, I was like, I would never do that. Right. And then the more that you're rounded here, I think moving out West also too, we're just around it more. You're just around it. Oh yeah. That's not a big deal. It's like, yeah. And I guess in my head, I'm like, why does it feel different? Why does it feel like the next step? And I think probably the price point of it, like it was always accessible to certain people and not to others. And I think that is maybe why in our head. Cause I was thinking the same thing. I'm like, how is it different than like going to the gym and like working out to have a good body or like getting your nails done or getting your hair. Like how is Botox different than these things? And I think it's just the price point separated people from it. You know, it's like one was accessible to everyone and Botox wasn't. And so I feel like that is, I'm having a breakdown in my head. These things I'm like, now it's more accessible to more people and more people know about it. So then does it hold the same weight of like, oh, this is way more vain than other things, or is it just more accessible? Do you know what I'm saying? Like, did it only feel really vain to me because it was expensive? I don't know why. Like in my head, it was just like, because it was a needle. And I was like, it's dramatic. It's going to go into your body. Like rather than like on top or like changing your hair. Yeah. I mean, it does feel more extreme. It's like freezing your muscles. Here, here's one thing too is having a daughter. I'm like, I don't see myself getting Botox. Like I don't see myself doing anything really. Maybe a boop job. Eventually never thought I would say the same, but I'm at that point now. You start considering all types of things. But I think knowing you guys and let's say you got Botox, you got your teeth done. Let's say you got a nose job. I would feel 100% confident if Brielle wanted to talk to someone about it, her being able to talk to you guys about it, because I know you would have thought through that decision and like gone through all the thoughts about it. And so that's why I'm like, if you guys did get work done, I'm like, I know they've thought about it. I know they've like processed it enough that it's not just, I hate this about myself, I'm going to change it. Yeah. I think that's part of the danger when it comes to these things. It's like, I think it's so easy and it is so accessible. And now this is the flip side of like people sharing what they've gotten done. I'm like, dang, now everyone knows about all these things that you can do. And so then it's like, oh, I have the slightest issue with this. Like I just want to tweak it a little bit and then it'll be better. And that is like a really, really, I think you're always that having, having a moving goalpost of like what your standard of what your picture of yourself is beautiful is. Like the goalpost is always going to move. If you're like the slightest thing, I can make perfect. And that is like, I think it goes back to your, what you were talking about contentment. Um, this was really, I was really impressed. And I highly respect, um, Jesse from secret life of Mormon wives. She just made a video the past week sharing about, she had some pretty like dramatic fat grafting done on her face and some different things that I remember what her surgeries were, but she, she didn't really understand the side effects of what it was going to be and what her outcome was going to be. She just kind of trusted what the doctor said. And she said that she deeply regrets it. And she's like, I hate the way. Look, I wish I'd asked more questions. I just went off of what was recommended to me and I didn't really fully understand what I was getting into. And I wish so badly I could go back and change it. And she was really honest about doing these things out of insecurity, which I'm like, I'm, I just think that's like a really amazing example for her to set to young girls, like one, it's okay to talk about our insecurities and like. I just, I was really impressed with her video on it. Um, but I just think we're going to see a lot more of that, like in our day and age of people that are going to do things and then wish they could go back because it is just so easy to get stuff done. I think that's really admirable too. I love how you said, like, you're impressed by her being in the public eye and talking about work that she's had done and insecurities too. This, my thought was like kind of incomplete earlier about like sharing, like people in the public eye that have cosmetic procedures done of any kind. Really. Um, a good point that Sadie had made is that, um, if your job, as an influencer, your job is essentially marketing. And a lot of times you're marketing products that are related to skincare and beauty. And then if you're like saying, like, if you're, maybe if you're not explicitly saying, but the, the message underlying is that like, I look this way because I'm using said product and it's like, that's actually can be considered dishonest because it's not telling the full truth. It's like a half truth. It's like, oh, and I also spent thousands of dollars getting Botox and filler. And, and so it's like, there is almost like, that's where it almost feels like this transparency is should maybe be, I'm not going to say mandatory because that surely feels crazy, but like morally warranted. I don't know. Yeah. And so, um, cause like maybe she is also like marketing beauty products, skincare products, I'm assuming of some sort. And yeah, that's an interesting thought for sure. I have kind of a hot take and I want to say this like gently, but also it is just like an opinion that I have. So maybe I'll just share it freely. Hey, wait, let's just also say this. Let's normalize disagreeing with people and it's actually okay. Yeah. Making this world spin around. And I'm specifically, I, okay. I feel like Botox is like one thing. I feel like filler is a totally different thing. Interesting. I do in my head. I'm like, I don't think Botox is severely changing your face, whereas I feel like filler is going in and changing your face. So I feel like that distinction is like, I know confidently I will never get filler in my face personally because I think filler a lot of times follows body trends and that goal, that post is always changing. You're right. It is a trend because now I've seen the trend of people getting filler dissolved. Yes. And so I'm like, that, what does that even mean? I know it's, what do they do to dissolve it? They just inject painful. Yeah. It's like another chemical you have to put in your body to dissolve it and get it taken out. So I'm like, dang, I just feel like filler to me feels like there's so many women that are just really casually getting filler. And are they the same people doing it though? Because I feel like if you go in for an appointment, I'm just speaking out of my butt here because I don't actually, I've never been to one of these appointments. But if they're like, Oh, well, these kind of like this can correct this. And it's like, I don't know. Cause like you went in to just get this done and then you need this. Yes. I feel like you could easily be talked into both cause it's so easy. And I think we have to remember that, um, meds, ball people. Hey, I love meds, ball people. There's nothing against you, but like y'all are also salespeople. You know what I mean? Like you have to remember being sold a product. They're trying to make money. It's a business. And I'm not saying that's in a malicious way. They're trying to do that. Like I think they genuinely think you're going to look beautiful at the end of it. And their work and their product is great, but like they're going to try to sell you on things that like maybe you didn't think that you needed or like necessarily needed. So I feel like getting multiple opinions is probably the best way to go. So that's my hot take. I personally am like, ooh, filler just feels like such a intense slippery slope. That is a body trend. Like I feel like that's always going to move. That's like very hot take. Okay. Good. Also, this is how your opinions form, right? Like your own lived life experiences and then life has a way of giving you new experiences and then you change your mind. And that's how that's healthy and good and appropriate. But also like I grew up in like we said, Midwest, small town, uh, my grandma's and my mom have had like literally nothing except for getting their hair done. And my grandma's have like beautiful skin. Like I think about like, I'm like, okay, let me just rely on my genetics. I don't know. I just didn't like, gosh, the upkeep just feels kind of miserable. Like at that point, like I'm like, I don't know. I know. It is. It's a lot. But I'm also here's the other side flip side. I love being a woman. Like I love girly things. I love getting my hair done. I love wearing makeup. I love shopping for clothes. I love doing nails. Like I love all these like girly fun things. So that's the flip side. I also just think it's fun. And if that's the thing that you're like, I just think it's fun and it's really not that serious and I think that's a great motive. More feminine. I think that's a great motive. I just think it's fun. Yeah, I think so too. That's how I feel about like my finger game. My nails done. Yeah. It's just fun. Yeah, I just love it. I think it's fun. I love it. I'm really not insecure about my toe thumb. Totally. That's why I get a random question about that. When did you like, when did you know? Did your mom know at birth that you're looking like that? No one ever told me until. When am I going to ask your mom when she realized your thumbs look different? Why are you looking at real? No, I kind of am. I'm like, these that they look normal. See, in my head, my thumbs are normal. Well, you got the tips. That really helps. They're club thumbs. Okay. And you know what? There's probably a procedure for that. We really think about it. Really? That'd be that's why Megan Fox is my icon. OK, I only know one of them. She kept them natural. She did. My best friend from high school had that. And that was the first person that I knew I had club thumbs. And then you came into my life and I'm like, I can never win a thumb war. Or maybe you're really good. It's like really strong. Sneak out. Yeah. No, I think it was a good conversation. Again, there's no judgment on anything like. I am also like so early. Like I just like I like doing my makeup. Yeah, like I make a girl. Yeah. And so it's like this. This isn't really that different. I could see where you could make the argument and put this all in the same category. Yeah, I think I just mostly just get upset at like young girls that I feel like are preyed on. That's a good point. That's what makes me mad about it. I'm like, I'm not even thinking about 30 year olds, 40 year olds. I'm thinking about like the young 20 year olds that are like, I have to do this. And it's preventative Botox. I'm like, no offense, but your body is going to get used to that in 10 years and you're going to have to get more. And it's like, I don't even know if that's true. Is it true that Botox can help with headaches? I think that is true. I've heard that. Yeah. Yeah. I'll use that as my excuse. Yeah. Hello. The addicts all the time. Yeah, my migraines are so bad. I've never had a migraine in my life. Would you would you first do Botox versus like the piercing that people say help with? Um, I actually, I feel like I trust more Botox more than piercing Botox more just because the type of headaches I get to are all right here. So I'm like, what would something here do? I don't know. Like I get them all in the front of my head. Sure. But also right now, as of right now, let's mark my words. It is March of 2026. Sometimes I don't know the year as of March, 2026. I'm not in the market for Botox. Probably down the line. I don't know. And here, no, here's what you can do. You can clock me down the line. Here you go. Clip me, stitch me. You have my invitation for when I'm getting needles in my head because here's what you can count on. I will be transferring. I'm like, I'll tell you guys what happened. Yeah. And so that honestly kind of moved. Did we see everything you want to say about Botox and fillers? Yeah, I think it's kind of naturally moves us on to our next segment in which we talk about ways in which that we are hypocrites hypocrites. Let's talk about it because like we said, like your life, you live it and you're given new experiences and then your once held opinions might change. And I think that's good and healthy, but also could maybe give us the definition of hypocrite. Yes. Wendy Williams used to always say, I'm a woman. I can change my mind. This is a really natural hypocrisy thing because we were literally just talking about this. I am as of right now probably out on Botox and fillers. I will be getting rest. My breast. And here's the girls will be like, don't put any foreign substance in your body. Just silicone. Boom. Not even big. No, I actually don't want the big, but yeah. So you really could find if someone there is for sure. I probably said it multiple times. I will never get them done. You know why I said that? It's because I had naturally good boobs. Right. You had the best. That's what I've seen to be honest. Thank you so much. And so I was like running my mouth like, oh, I would never change anything about myself. And then have nurse two babies. Things happen. And you know what? I'm also just going to give myself a little bit of a free pass here in a way and say, I have been told that I had the biggest transformation that anyone has ever seen in that department. That video you made that went super viral about your. When you were showing that, but you texted it to Blake, he got, or you showed it to Blake, he goes, that's AI. The fact that that's my brother. I remember. I remember. I mean, you look amazing. This is not, but I just remember when we were nursing together, like right after we had CJ and Augie and we had, we were like in one bedroom, just looking at each other were like, this is crazy. And I just remember like, I was like, wow, how do they fit on her body? I remember thinking. It was so big. Looking at Augie was not a small baby. No, no, in comparison. I really think of that audio that people use. You have a picture about. I want to see it actually. So many can't be shown. And, um, but I think about that audio from Nemo is like, there's gotta be another way. He's just a boy. And it's like me, like, it was just so. Honestly, impressive. Like, I'm like, that's a flag because that's an amazing story. Not what I'm sweating. It was so uncomfortable, so crazy, so shocking, so many stretch marks and veins. You're such a petite, small person. That's what made it so look extreme. They were so hard to give a short torso. If it's short torso, short person, like you're so small and that's just, I've never seen. Problem too is how hard they were. Yes. And so they couldn't squish, so they had to go out. So if you really were to take a stencil of me. Huh. And so anyway, all that to say, they've been through some things and they don't, they didn't come out the other side, look in the same. Sure. They don't recognize themselves if they were to look in the mirror. They're like, that would never be me. And so I am just saying, I would love for that to be a day in which they return to their original state of some sort. Obviously, it's going to be a new version of the original. I'm not going to chase my body before. Like there's a couple of things like I know you can change, like you can get your C-section scar laser at all. Oh, really? That I'm like, I don't care about. No one's seen that. I mean, yeah. He's like, I can't even see it. Right. And actually I choose not to look down there. Yeah, I like that is fine. Right. Like I'm not trying to like seek genuinely. I'm not trying to like get my body back to what I was before. I'm a totally different person. So obviously my body should reflect those changes. Right. That's just one of those things where I'm like, please, it would be fun. Okay. I think it'd be a lot of fun. It would be so fun. Right. I'm curious. Would you get your boobs? I like the doors not closed, but like talk to me after my fourth kid. You know what I mean? See if you can't anymore. Because after the first I was like, no, they're fine. I'll keep in the way they are. But you know, every time they grow and they go back and they grow and they get smaller and they grow and they get smaller and it gets, it looks different every time. So I'm like, I'm not going to make any decisions until I'm fully done. And by that time, maybe I won't care. I'm not even done breastfeeding. I'm already like, no, I'm gonna need stuff. I don't want my nipples to be cross eyed. I do some for you. They're not right now, but I'm just saying like, I don't know what's going to happen down the line. No one needs to be seeing what this looks like. I will wait until I, until the baby factory is gross. I will wait until then. And I also have prepped my father already. Yeah. I think that's good. I'm like, we're just prepping. Prepping the public because I know that everyone gets big opinions. Everyone knows you're beautiful and perfect the way you are, but thank you for the mental preparation. Thank you everybody. I've prepped my dad because I know that he's not really. And every time I like, that's the most awkward one of them all. I'm like, dad, just so you know, no, you got to prep him because I don't want you to be startled. Right. Don't want you to just come back one day. He's like, whoa. My goodness. Yeah. So that is where I am major hypocrite. Well, major hypocrite. And you know, I got really flattered one time though, because I did get a consultation. Really? And she was like, you don't need a lift. And I was like, tell me more. I was like, well, that was so nice. Oh my God. I didn't know that. Well, you'll see what happens on the line. I'm like the direction we're heading is south. So I feel like the scary. I'm like, how do you pick a surgeon for something like that? Like, who that feels like a big recommendation from friends. There's actually one person in this area that has done everyone. All your friends. Okay. Great. So we know, we know who to go to. You know, a guy. It is a guy. It is a guy. I feel like that, that doesn't, I don't think they think of that. It does kind of bother me. Really? Yeah. Quick. Yeah. It's cosmetic. If it was like health, I feel like I categorize it as like, oh, it's for health. This is like cosmetic. So I guess, yeah. Yeah. I can see that. I did get a consultation from a woman though, and she was, I didn't get a vibe. So I would think men are more gentle with women. I do think so. Women know how tough we are. Exactly. That's like, we know that you're tough. That the truth. I said that about my OB too. Yes. I ended up with the man, the male doctor, and I was so happy about it. Yes. Well, I loved, I mean, all the doctors are so amazing, but I used to be like, oh, I don't want to mail OBGYN and then they came in and you're just like, I don't care. Like, please get this. Help me. Help me. He was like, help me. Give me answers. I was like, please admit me. Yeah, literally. Okay. My first one, I'll go with my, I had one beauty one that I'll do. Um, I said about three years ago, um, I will never go blonde again. And yeah, last year I was like, I immediately need to go blonde. It was just like something that triggered me. I was like, I want to just let my hair go natural color and be, you know, look darker, a little bit more ethnic, you know, like a little bit more exotic, you know, my natural stuff. And then, um, I got pregnant and I started to feel like I was looking really old. And then I walk in there and I'm like, maybe like young and blonde and bright and beautiful. Remember the last time I got my hair highlighted for you? I think you were there. What happened? Our father-in-law, he was like, one day you're going to not go blonde anymore. I was like, I'm going to always need to be bright and there's just something about going a little lighter that just makes you feel alive. It's just like, yeah. I'm like, woo, I'm just so fun. So fresh. So I said, I would never do it again. And I went in again and I'll probably, I'll go back and forth on that a lot. But that was pretty hypocritical of me. I was so firm. I'm like, I will not do that. I also want to describe you as blonde, but you got your hair highlighted. I got it highlighted. Yeah. And I was like, I'm done with that. And I was such a hypocrite. Yeah. I that's going to be, that would be hard for me to let go of. It would be really hard. I only get it done twice a year, but that I've never seen your mom with her natural hair color. I know it's dark. I know. I will say, I think brunettes have it easier. Blondes to keep up your blonde. And like, as you get older, your roots get darker. You know, that's a lot of upkeep. It's really low upkeep for me. Cause once it grows out, I'm like, it just looks like my brown hair. Maybe I'm delusional. I love your hair color. It's like Carmelie right now. Thank you. I'm going to get done this month. Let's take a blast to the past. High school Abbey, middle school Abbey. This one's an old one, but Matt reminded me of this. I always, okay. Let me just say that this started probably at the root of my parents would always like tease me and say that I would have crushes on guys. I was like, I do not have a crush on them. And I'm like, every dad has to do that and every mom and blah, blah, blah. And so there was like, I had a childhood friend that I like grew up with. And my dad would literally always say like, I had a crush on him. And I really did not. I did not. And so I was like, dad, I was like, no. And I said, anyway, I will never marry a theater kid. And I always said that I was like, I would go to the theater with me. And I was like, I will never do that. I'm not, I'm not interested, not my type, all these things. And what I do, what you do? Married a theater kid. The most theater. I should say the most theater kid. Like he like loves performing. And so that I mean, that was just like a. There's no like, no, I kind of cave. Like I did the. Literally complete opposite. Literally complete opposite. That's so funny. That's a funny thing to like put your stakes in the ground on. I will not marry. It was so specific. It was like, I had to break that. Of course. Because I like really dug in. Why are we setting rules for ourselves? We can't keep. Gosh, I really thought I could have relied on that one too. I was like, that was pretty safe bet. Like what are the odds? Right, of course. Well, here we are. Um, okay, my next one's kind of this is bad. Okay. What? It's going to potentially affect my work. Um, so I talk a lot about budgeting and like it's really important. We preach a lot. I do all these rocket money ads and wow, we love that rocket, love rocket money. I'm not saying that we love it. We've used it for years. Um, I'm always like, you need to be financially responsible and like have good budgets with your husband and like be a team with finances. Yeah. I don't think I've ever looked at our budget on my own. I'm on your own. On my own. No, no, on my own. Like Caleb and I will go, we'll have our talks together, but I'm not looking at it independently, like play by play. Never ever have I ever open like my app always unloads and then I have to reload it when Caleb's like, let's talk about the budget. I, it just always offloads. Like, let me read. Wait a minute. Let me log in. It's in the cloud. I never look at it. Okay. That's hypocritical. I'm always, I think he's going to find out when this podcast airs. Oh, well, it means you must not be going over. Right. Well, you know what I do sometimes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I do sometimes. And he's like, wow, this month was crazy. I'm like, so sorry. The budget, you know, I'm like, oh, I should have been looking like I'm shocked. I've never. I wonder how common that is though, because I'm the budgeter in our family. Blake Blake, does not have our app. I'm loaded on his phone that we budget through every dollar for Dave Ramsey. Yeah. Yeah. Blake has never logged into it ever. He wouldn't know how to use it. Yeah. And I do it all. So I wonder if that's normal. Yeah. I'm like, Caleb, I think looks at it multiple times a week. Yeah. So I'm like, I know I use it every single day. I budget everything every day. Every single day I budget. I put the you categorize it all. Yeah. See, rock and roll automatically categorizes it. So I'm like, we don't have to keep up on top of it. So maybe that's, I'm just giving myself an excuse. We do love the app. Like I talk about all the time it's been life changing for our marriage because Caleb does a really good job of keeping track of our money through it. And I'm aware, but yeah, I'm just not individually going and ever looking at it. And that's extremely like, I'm like, do we take this out? Is this, do we need to cut this? Keep it in. Okay. Snaps to Abby. No, that's right. You see you. I'm sweating. I'm sweating. I'm critical. Um, another one I have, this is the category of parenting, which honestly could probably write a whole book on this. I don't even want to know what I said before I had kids. Oh yeah. My next one. Honestly, you should never be allowed to say anything about what you're going to do when you're a parent until you're in that ship. And also that goes for like, don't say it until you're also in that stage. Cause like I, I'm sure I've said stuff about high school kids, middle school kids, elementary school kids. I need to just shut my trap. Totally. I don't, I don't know. No, I agree. I don't know. You don't know until you're living. I don't know what you're, what you're walking through. Nothing honestly has revealed my hypocrisy, my own hypocrisy more to me than being a parent. No, literally. It's literally, it's also just so, just like slap through the face. Wait a minute. I know. Did I say that? Gosh. So many times. You, so I could once again, this is just plucking one, but this one's so obvious because I even said it once I had kids, but then it changed once I had toddlers. I said, no kids in the bedroom. We have guests every night. Like literally every night. It's a very rare day that I wake up and there's just me and Matt in the room. Of course. Of course. Now at this point, you don't have guests in the bed, but I'm also never going to say that's never going to happen. Right. We might get a megabit. Right. Once again. Honestly, it's all, it's all up for grabs. It's all open. I can't be clocked saying I'm not doing anything. Right. I literally, so, um, yeah, right now there's no kids in the bed. There's kids in the room. Of course. And that's pretty much the same thing. Of course. So yeah, we have just, and you know what? I gotta say, I actually kind of like it. Yeah. Sweet. It's like morning, buddy. And it's precious. Yeah. I always think about it sometimes when I'm teaching my daughter, I'm like, okay, CJ sugar is bad for you. One gummy bear for your treat or whatever. And then I'm like, scarfing down a bowl of ice cream with chocolate. So some minute he gets to bed. I'm like, I am such a hypocrite, but I'm a two-bar gone. So we got to preserve his fresh love body. He gets more than one gummy bear, but you know, just to be exaggerating. My parenting one, this is so, I was, this was so stupid of me. This was so George mental and so stupid of me. And I've just been humbled and clocked. I hope you picked the one I taught you in a pic. Oh, and college. I was like, oh, kids, they're just going to eat what I eat. Right. I'm going to make them everything from scratch. It's going to be healthy. No preservatives, nothing processed, just the most precious, cleanest, crunchy food to my baby. And then the minute I had CJ and he just did not want to eat. There was like a seven month period where I made that kid frozen chicken nuggets with shaped Parmesan cheese on him every single night. And so I had lunch. Parmesan cheese. Yeah. It was the only way he'd eat them. Like chicken nuggets with Parmesan cheese. And I was like, buddy, thank you for eating this. Thank you, sir, for your service. I'm glad you're filled up tonight. And that was just so dumb. That was so dumb. I'm the same way. I'm sure I said that too. Actually, I feel like I even remember saying that like I was like nanny and kids. And I was like, oh, they're eating frozen food. Oh, I used to babysit a kid where they would get hot dogs. And I'm like, trust me, I want to get him hot dog. I'm like, please eat the hot dog, buddy. It's a hot dog. That's a win. I know. Win. You won't eat him. But I'm like the hot dog. Oh, he won't eat him. No, I mean occasionally. But I know it's just you have all these judgements. Hey, I'm there. I know. I know. And I'm like, I was humbled. They'll bring you down to your knees. You're like, don't starve. What are you doing? Anyway, honestly, our high in health is just doing God's work. Yeah. And like, how many how many vitamins can you take a day, sir? Those super foods packets, green packets. I'm like, please actually be broccoli. I'm like, it's way protein bad for children. They need something. It's got to eat. My last one's kind of dumb, kind of dumb. It's not something that I said I would never do and I do. It's something that I said I was going to do. And I'm like, there's no way I'm ever doing that. I was so dead when I was in this phase in college, I was like exploring the internet. I was learning about homesteading and chickens and land. And I was like, I'm going to have chickens and live off the land. Can I tell you something? I never, ever, ever want land or chickens. And that is just in what world would that ever be me? I can't get at you. I got a dog and I was like, no more animals. I can't not see you like that at all. I know. I was like, how amazing would it be to have chickens and farm fresh eggs? The minute I would hear that chicken squawk, I know immediately I would send it back. There's no way that I would ever enjoy chickens in this season of my life. Was it about your farm, semi-dewed? No, this was way before all that. I don't even know what I was watching on the internet. This was like tasty videos. Oh, wow. I was just like, wow, I want to be so clean. And oh my gosh, it was probably stumbed from an ED, no lie. Probably like a little bit. Yeah, I'm like probably from like a not so healthy thought life about food. And now I'm like, I never want land. I don't want my children to run free on property. Like that's just not me. It's not my personality. And that was so hypocritical of me to ever say that I would do that. I mean, I didn't even know you thought that. So that just says that scale. It was like a really firm season of my life. I'm saying that. Like how long? Like at least two or three years, like end of college to beginning of our marriage. I was like, what if we just live on land? And I'm like, how would I take care of land? You do like to be home a lot and you kind of like to be alone. It's true. It's true. But at least I have people next to me. You know what I mean? You know that they're there. Yeah, I'm like, at least they're there. I don't, you know, it's just not my personality. I love that people love that. And like there's that is for people. But just for me that I sing so firmly that I was going to do that. I'm like, that is just so far from who I actually am. I feel like everyone through a homesteading phase. Yeah, the homesteading phase was strong. And now I'm like, I'll never make my own bread. You could make bread. No, I just want you to make me bread. OK, that's all I feel. Yeah, I'll make. I need to get. Honestly, I make two bad loaves of sourdough. And then I just put it in the fridge for a while. It's in time out. Do you want to know something I tried to make from scratch? That was so dumb. Peanut butter. I was like, I'm going to buy my own. Peanut. It was so gross. And you have to run your mixer for literally 30, 40 minutes. They have really clean peanut butter on the market. And it's six bucks. You know how much a bag of peanuts is? $14. I'm like, why am I spending more on the raw peanut butter? Actually, literally just peanuts and salt, too. Yeah, almost of them are. And that's all I buy is just the clean ones. And I'm like, this is cheaper and less time consuming and way less of a cleanup than making peanut butter from scratch. Let me tell you. I did look up an article of things that weren't worth making from scratch. Peanut butter was one of them. No, I don't remember that being one of them. One of them was tortillas. I remember that because I was going to try to make tortillas. But I was like, I guess I already buy the raw ones. And so gosh, there's just so little time in the day. There's just so little time in your life. You made those cheez-its homemade. And I was like, I remember I used to be so on kill, but be like, we'd go to the grocery store, and he'd walk the aisles. I'd say, don't buy that. I can make it. And I would never make it. And cheez-its is one of the ones I used to say, I'm going to make these for my kids. Oh, they were easy to make. But they just don't make that many of them. I feel like you'd eat them in one sitting. They're actually way more filling than other cheez-its. Really? Yeah. If you ate all of them, I'd be very impressed, Abby. None to set records. None to set records. They didn't taste quite the same, though. Gotcha. Because they're baked, and I feel like cheez-its are definitely not. Are they fried? I feel like they're baked. I think it's baked. They are 100% baked. In a massive oven. They tasted nothing like the ones I made. Honestly, I like to mine better, though, because it tastes like real cheese. But that's different. We're very thankful to you guys, too, because you make us feel not so alone in our hypocrisy, because you so generously, so many of you contributed ways in which you're finding yourself hypocrite as well. And we polled you on our Instagram, which, by the way, if you're not following us, it's always here podcast on Instagram. Please follow us. And you can also participate in these fun polls and engage in that way. It's really fun and special. So we're going to go through some of these, because they're just so funny. This one is from Lauren. She says, I'd never let my kids eat snacks after refusing to eat dinner. My bad. Literally, that's us. Yeah, totally. Matt is every time he's like, wait, did mommy say you can have this? I'm like, let me please. Please, just eat. He's like, we're doing snack. He's like, I just brushed their teeth. Then I'm like, break. Whoops, sorry. See you the morning for another brush. That's something I just feel so bad about. I'm like, I would never want to go to bed hungry. I know. But then I'm like, you did eat your dinner, and a whole cup of milk. Sometimes CJ, like. It just becomes a habit. I know. I'm like, I never want to be like, hey, you can't eat buddy, because I'm scared he's going to grow up and be like, my mom would have let me eat my food and send me to bed hungry. Like, if you would turn it into like a trauma or something. You know, I'm like, I don't want to ever have that. It was my punishment. I don't want him to get mixed messages from this. Seriously. OK, this next one all about Brie said, scroll for hours. Like she says not to do that, and then she does it. Yeah. I do that as well. Honestly, when we went to Rhode Island, I got on my phone a lot more, and then it was like, I had to re-break that. That's what I should have put on my list. Poor Caleb. Like, anytime he gets home from work immediately, and he's looking at his phone, I'm like, Caleb, the children. And so like, he hasn't been on his phone all day. And I'm at home all day obviously looking at my phone, doing stuff on an all day from the kids. And Caleb looks at his phone for five seconds, and I'm like, get off your phone. Get off your phone, buddy. Your kids are talking to you. And I'm like, I'm sure all day. So he just was like, mom, mom, mom. I know. And I'm like, oh, that's just so hypocritical of me. This person said that they, I'm assuming that. Wait, I don't know this name. Ann McClain Leonard said, homeschool my kids. She would never homeschool her kids. She said she would never homeschool her kids. She's doing it. A lot of people have made that switch. Oh, man, you know, it's so tempting. I say all the time, I'm like, I wasn't meant to be a teacher. But now I'm like, should I homeschool? I don't know. Should I just pay someone to homeschool my kids? Is that homeschooling? I don't know. That's more so. I'm like, that sounds tempting. No, I think my kids will love school. OK. Shayla. Ham's mom, Shayla. OK, Shayla said, I always said I would never have a toy room. Now our office is a toy room instead. It just happens. It'll spill somewhere. Yeah. They're all around my kitchen table right now. I'm like, wish we had a toy room. She's like underneath our stairs. The clubhouse. The clubhouse, baby. Eden says, I swore I'd never pay for a tan because the sun's free. Now I'm desperate for self tan sometimes. I remember when, like in college, when you used to get out of college and you start having jobs, I'm like, wait, I just can't lay outside and get a tan all day. I'm pale. You know, it's like that adult life happens. And also you just realize the sun is kind of scary. It's bad for you. Allie, I swore I'd go back to work after having a baby. Now here we are. I feel like I know a lot of people that are like, I will never give up my job. And then you get a kid and it's just like, cares about work. You get a kid. My god, a kid. You get one of them and you're like, who needs a job? I want to just stay with you. I know that is real. It is so real. Holly says crocs, sore against them. And now I wear them all the time. LOL. LOL. I can't support that, actually. I know. I do like I have some really good crocs, flip flops, but I don't have the slides. Pro crocs for kids, for me. Yes. But you know what? I think they're making CJ's run a little weird. I think they're making it a little. He's running like an octopus. I know, thanks because he's trying to keep his shoes on. I'm like, we're strictly a tennis shoe house for a while until that straightens out. He ate it so bad the other day. Yeah, they're not good running shoes. He didn't even cry. He just like froze. I know, he's so tough. I think he was like, did it really just happen to me? Happened to know it acknowledged it. He fell on both knees from the air. I know. And I'm going to go to the saw it. Yeah, he was like, he was so tough. And then he just definitely goes, yeah, froze. I was like, I thought that was going to be a cry for sure. Yeah, he's a tough kid. Oh, this one's so real. Brianna said, using a backpack, you're using a backpack leash on your child in busy places. Got to keep them. There's no judgment. Once you got them, you got to keep them. Yeah, right. Whatever it takes. At all costs. If you're a runner, I also have some friends, kids that are like literally runners. Like they just don't, it's just in their blood. They don't turn back. Right. And honestly, I don't think my kids are far from that. I don't know how to pronounce Jan. Yeah. Jan says, buy from she and her T-Mu. Oh, boo. Don't do it. Don't do it. But I get the I get it. It's so cheap. I get it. Harper said, get married into a man 20 years older. Wow. Harper, that's a great one. Actually, I did. I remember when I was a kid, this came to me considered hypocrisy because I was a legit child. I told my dad I wasn't going to have kids because it was the day I learned about periods and childbirth and everything. And it was so much for me to handle. Why would I do that? I was like, I'm opting out. I'm not going to get married into a man 20 years older and then look at the cards fell. Look, Juliana says, I judge people who think they're cool, but I'm a very cool person. I'm confused. She's cool, but she judges other people who think they're cool. Yeah, she's like, yeah. But she thinks you're cool. But she thinks she's cool. She's like, I'm very cool. I love that you're swaying on the side of confidence. Yes, I love that. Kay said, date my now husband. Oh, wow. Wait, I don't get that. Oh, she said she would never date him in another marriage. Dang it. He won. He pushed past the friend zone. He really fought through some barriers. He persevered. Maddie says, have children. I swore I would be child-free now. I have two and I want four more. Wow. I love when I get messages from people like, you ready to have a kid? I'm ready. And I'm three months postpartum. I'm like, wow. I have a theory that I was telling Addy. The three to six month postpartum, there can be, there's something that happens in your hormones that can happen. Maybe because there's a possibility of it. It's just like, ah, I got a prick in the air. And it eases a little bit. Yeah. I didn't think I felt that. I just am more like, I don't want to be pregnant for a long time. OK, beautifully refined said, I said I would never become a cross-fake geek. It's a cold. That's a real one. I feel that even with RJ. I used to be like, no, I like working out on my own. I like making my workouts. I like wearing my headphones. There I am. Same. Addy used to be so like, why do I need to join group fitness? I work out on my own just fine. And then I joined group fitness. I'm like, it's amazing. I love it. Kaden said, I swore I'd never wear my hair in a slick back. Ha, ha, ha. That lasted five minutes. Honestly, same. The minute that became a trend, I was like, this was meant for me. Shane, what is it? I don't know. It's Shanjie. Shanjie? Shanjie? Sure, not it. I have no idea how to say it. Shanjie? Shanjie. Something Marie. I almost said Marie. Marie. Shanjie? You're thinking of Kanye. Shanjie. I'm saying it. Said, give my kids sugar before the age of two. Yeah. I know. I was like, oh, no, screeds before the age of three. Same with screeds. I was going to say, but it's like, when you have older siblings, what are you going to do? Sorry, honey. You got to lock yourself in the other room by your brother watching the show. Like, when we tell you to. Come out later. For three years? OK. Kyra said, buy my child character clothing. But he loves it so much. And I do too now. It's such a sweet time. Just let him. Just let him. It's supposed to be fun. I've heard that one before. And I was like, why did you even think that you wouldn't do that? All my kids wears character clothing. I know. It's cute. Never. Oh, Macy says, never talk to my in-laws again, and then start talking to them again. Best decision. Oh, that's a redemptive one. I love that. I'm glad they proved you wrong. That's sweet. C. Sully said, wipe my son's booger's office face with my bare hands. Yeah. I only told that works. That's what you got to do. Yeah, let me pick your boogers. Let me get them in there. Morgie says, let my kids eat dirt. But here we are, and there's no stopping them. She's rolled over. She's like, you know what? They got to do. That's where our vegetables grow. That's true, Abby. That's some good encouragement. Probably some good nutrients in there. They're getting some good iron and stuff in there. Not iron, but Emma said, I get mad at my hubs for leaving crap all over the house, but it's OK. I leave. It's OK if I leave my stuff. So true. I'm like, Caleb, you're socked. You look around the house. It's a big sigh. I socked. My stuff's everywhere. And you're like, well, yours is just rubbing me wrong. Have you seen that trend online where people are like, my husband's toothbrush? How dare he leave his toothbrush out like this? And then he pans over in her makeup as everywhere on the sink. I know. That's my life. I'm weird, because I'm like, if my kitchen and my living room is clean and my dining room, like my lower level, it doesn't matter what my upstairs looks like. My bathroom closet. Right. It's scary. You need one chaotic place, I believe. I got more than one, for sure. I'm right next to my night to day. Great. Yeah. Right where you need it. Yeah. Molly says wear thongs. Now she's wearing thongs. I felt that before. Welcome to the dark side. They're so comfortable. I was like, how could that ever be comfortable? I have a hot day. I get less wedgies with thongs. Same. I'm always picking my butt when I have to put my full underwear. You went out to wear my full underwear. Those are my postpartum underwear. Pregnancy and postpartum underwear is the non-thong area. But I had to put that full panty on. I'm like, ugh. I think they are a generation, though, because I feel like our moms would be like, what in the world? Do you remember? When did you start wearing thongs? Oh, high school. Probably even junior high. I think I started in sixth or seventh grade. My parents knew that I wasn't talking to boys. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I started wearing volleyball shorts. They knew it was for me. I remember the cool girls were wearing them. So I was like, mom, I need to go buy them. I started wearing leggings and shorts. And I played volleyball. So it was like, I had evolution. Are you guys an underwear with your leggings, people? Absolutely I am. That is so shocking to the thought of just putting those on. Raw dog and it without. Yeah, I know. People do that. I know they do. And you can tell. You can't tell. Ladies, we can tell. Unfortunately. We love the female body, but there's a time. I prefer a smoother look. Dryer. Yeah, literally a little drier. So it's dry. Literally. OK. Last one. Mrs. Brandy said, Suwara would never get a house cleaner once a month. Yet here we are. Ms. Brandy, why would you ever say that you would never do that? That is a dream come true. It is a dream. It's amazing. That's the goal. Hooray. That's great. Thank you guys for sharing. We're all hypocrites. We're all hypocrites. It's to be human is to be a hypocrite, I honestly think. It is. So there we go. Integredies are important. Yeah. Please call me out if I'm an hypocrite. Admir. Integredies are so important. I'm a hypocrite. OK. Ask, ask, ask Abby. All right, let's move on to voicemails. Once again, thank you guys for those of you that call in. Yeah. I'll give you a number. Oh, yeah. The number is 602-456-9690. And it's also in our Instagram bio if you missed it. So you guys can give us a call, leave a question or a message. We are so grateful. Yeah. And honestly, load us up because I feel like it'd be really fun to do a whole episode of. We should do that in the next couple of weeks. Yeah. That'd be really fun. So we'll do it once a quarter. Load it up. Hey, y'all, this is Madeline. I was wondering if you could only eat one breakfast, one lunch, and one dinner every day for the rest of your life. What would it be? Thanks. Great question. Thank you for the question. Here's it, Madison. Madeline. Madeline, thank you for the question. OK, let's start with breakfast. I already eat the same breakfast basically every day. I was going to say I can tell you. Two horrible eggs. Four. Oh, OK, great. You were both wrong. Both wrong. You don't know me. You don't know me at all. Three eggs. Sometimes hard boiled, sometimes scrambled. I'm feeling crazy. And some carb, but usually it's like a protein waffle or two. I'll have two. There's our muffin and coffee every morning. Beautiful. OK, this is my dream breakfast every day that I would eat every day for the rest of my life. A big old fat cinnamon roll. Maybe two. Same as savory girl. Really? I mean, yeah, I feel better when I start with a savory. No, I like the taste of it better, actually. Oh, no, I don't like the taste of savory. I like sugar. But yeah, I would start with a big old fat cinnamon roll every day. That's so good. I could do that. Lunch. I mean, I feel like I always eat leftovers, but a good lunch that I honestly don't get sick of is chipotle tacos. Yes, they're good. They're light. They're fresh. Yes, not overly full. They're fresh. And I feel like I just feel good when I eat them. Yep. I could eat for lunch every day a pesto panini sandwich. Yeah, I love a good pesto on a toasty bread. Put a little cheese in there, a little feta mozzarella. Get some tomatoes. Maybe some rotisserie chicken on that. I have these ingredients at home. I'm going to eat this one every day. Yeah, it sounds so good. I could eat that every day. Some chips. I know. Oh, it chips. I'm so good at it now. Crazy. Right. For dinner, I'd say, honestly, I feel like if I had to eat it every single day, you got to just say it's like steak on the sides. Like that just feels, I got to get full. I got to get full. And I actually really like steak. Steak is delicious. Yeah, I'm going to say soup. Soup. Oh, yeah. That's a safe one. You can make it so many different ways. So many different ways. But yeah, soup. I pretty much do this already. So super, super nice. You're like, I'm actually living this already. I actually am living my reality. So. Are you making soup tonight? Possibly, because I don't have chicken thought. And I've forgotten all ways to cook chicken, apparently. So I probably will be putting it into a soup. Yeah. Chicken breast, what do you do other than put it into a soup? Yeah, I'm like, what am I supposed to do with this chicken again? Hi, Abbie's. This is Yana. I have recently been redoing my house. And I've been looking through the podcast while I've been painting. And I was just wondering, what is something in your house that makes you feel extra cozy or extra homey, either something you've bought, or maybe it's a color you've painted a room or something you've added to the house? Yeah, what makes one of your spaces feel extra cozy and homey that you really love? I love that question. You go first. Mine is actually kind of emotional, but that painting you got me. Abbie and my mother-in-law got us a really meaningful custom painting. And I feel like my house, my house up to this point, has just kind of feels like anyone's house, I guess. I think it's beautiful. And I love my house, but I'm like, it just doesn't feel necessarily personal. And this painting is just so, it's in memory of our daughter. And it's so beautiful and so personal. And we put it in a place where I literally, I'm always standing at the sink or cooking in the kitchen. And I just look at it all the time. And I'm like, ugh, it's so sweet. It makes me cry. Like, yeah, it's just, it's a physical thing, too, that you can look at and have. It feels like honoring and like a great memory of her. And I feel like when you gave it to me, I had no reaction because I just like shut down because I was like, oh, it's a lot of emotions. And our whole family is here. And I just feel like I never properly like told you how grateful I am for that. But like, that's the first thing that came to my mind. Like, it's so special and so beautiful. Sweet. And your friend did a great job. Oh, yeah. I'll shout her out. Her name's Autumn Matney Design. And she does. She's a really good artist. Yeah, I'm glad you like it. It's always risky like getting the home ball thing. It was funny because you said that to me. Like, I'm glad you like it. Because it's risky with home decor. It's like it doesn't even necessarily feel like home decor to me. It feels like I don't even know how to describe it. Like, I don't know. Something deeper. Yeah, I'm glad you like it. The rest of my house stuff feels like everything else on my walls feels like home decor. And that just feels like set apart, like different. Yeah. I'm glad you like it. Yeah, that was Caleb's idea. Yeah. And I was like, he was like, you should get him a painting. And then yeah, we all went out together. So I'm glad you. I'm glad you like it. We were really excited to give it to you guys. So I'm glad. I think our bedroom is like my favorite room in our house. It's really cozy. And I think it's because we did paint. Like our bedroom itself is a smaller square footage. And so I was like, let's make this room feel like kind of Dungeani and cozy since it's already a little bit smaller. And so we line washed, painted it a darker color. And we brought it up to the ceiling. And I just love it. It feels so cozy. And like the little sconces on the wall with the lighting. It's just dim and really relaxing. And I love it in there. Hi, Abby, Abby, and Abby. My name is Callie. And I first wanted to say that I love listening to always here and unplanned every week. I just find them so relatable. And they are some of my favorite podcasts. I have three kids under four. And I noticed that ever since becoming a mom, my anxiety surrounding sickness has increased. And I was wondering if any of you wrestled with that. And if you do, how do you work through it? Or what are some tips that you find helpful? Thank you. Oh, yeah. I've felt that a lot. Yeah. Thanks for calling in and sharing that. Because I've definitely, especially with CJ. OK, when CJ was little, I don't think I worried about him getting sick at all. Like, it was just his weird thing. Or I was like, you're just going to get sick. And then with Vivian, I feel like I've been more anxious about it. And I wonder if it's because you just kind of see how it affects your home when your kids get sick more. It's like, oh, when one goes down, we all go down. And they're so miserable. And it's sad seeing them hurt and stuff. And so I think experiencing it with CJ, then I was like, I don't want to have Vivian to have to go through that too. And so I think my anxiety, I would agree, has gotten worse maybe with the second child. So I've been trying to work through that too. And I've just started bringing her to childcare finally. So I actually don't have an answer for you, because I feel like that's something I'm trying to. But maybe a little bit of exposure therapy. I know once she gets sick, it's going to be OK. We know what to do and how to handle it and how to take care of them. And I think I just have to remind myself that. If she does get sick, or if CJ does get sick, we know what to do. We know how to handle it. And if we don't, we have a great team of doctors that can also handle it. So it's like, obviously, I'm not going to have her go lick the floor at the mall and be OK with that. But it's just inevitable when they're around other kids. And stuff, it's better for my kids to be around other kids and to play and socialize and learn that than to keep them in a bubble. And so I just have to remind myself that. That's a good answer. Should we move on wrapping up with always eating? Our newest segment, I guess, where we share a recipe for the week? Someone said we should change it to always hungry, and then it's AH. I did see that. And I kind of like that. OK, it's now always hungry. Guys, we listen to you. Do you see my wall? Yes. Your wall looks so good, Addy. I like always hungry, too, because I saw that comment. She's so brilliant. We should put her on our marketing team. So smart. Hire her. Mine actually is a recipe link. It's a recipe that I have created in my own head. Mine is too much. Oh my god. I don't know. I feel like I probably saw something similar to this, and then I just did my own thing. It's all recipes, isn't it? I guess it's. Similar techniques. I actually usually follow recipes very literally. Oh, I never do. OK, yeah. I was like, actually, I don't have a lot of links. What's yours? OK, mine. I make this side dish all the time. It's roasted parmesan potatoes. It's my favorite. It's my favorite to make. I love it. I'll get those cute, those little, sometimes the gold potatoes or the medley potatoes, and I'll have them, put them in a bowl all together, and I'll mix them with all of this is eyeballed. OK. Olive oil, paprika, salt and pepper, rosemary. Very important. I just do the dried rosemary. And maybe sometimes an Italian seasoning. Those are my seasonings. And you just stir it all up. Makes it up really good and coated. On a sheet pan, not oiled, I will put a bunch of parmesan cheese down on the pan, and I'll put the potatoes down face down, and just line them up evenly on the pan. And I'll roast them in the oven at 450 for about 20 minutes until they're fork tender. And then when they come out and you scrape them off the pan and the parmesan gets all crusty, and the potatoes are really good and seasoned and salty and rosemary and peppery, and it's so good. And you just dip them in some sour cream or just have them on their own, or a tzatziki. Not a tzatziki. That would not be good. But any sauce. It can be bad. It could be bad. You're right. And it's a great side with chicken. Maybe I'll do it tonight because I have potatoes and I have chicken. There you go. Yeah, it's so good. And you can't mess up the seasoning. You just got to put it. Yummy. But it's my favorite. That sounds good. Mine is like, I call them protein balls, but if I'm totally honest with you, don't add up the macros on this because I don't think they are high protein. I don't like protein powder in my protein balls. They're fine. I drink a protein shake every day. So I'm like, this really is just like the perfect little bite. This is where, OK, you eat lunch and you're like, I could use a sweet treat, but I can't really, the lunch doesn't necessarily qualify for dessert in my head. And so I love a little ball. And it's literally just oats, honey, flax seeds, peanut butter, and then you can use chocolate chips. Or I've been recently crushing up Cadbury eggs because of Tissue Season. You could just use any kind of like chocolatey treat. And I'll put the measurements in the description that I use. Yeah, they're not high in protein, but they are very satisfying. Here's the thing. If I'm going to have a snack or a sweet treat, I really want it to satisfy. This actually is filling. And it is very satisfying. It's a really yummy little sweet treat. And our whole family likes them. My kids will eat them. And I really like them. And I feel like they're a good staple. Just make the balls and throw them in your fridge and just nibble at them throughout the week. You're really going to cook seasonally. Really? Yeah. I like baking seasonally. Oh, I just think it's fun. Yeah. Oh, I do like to bake. That's the thing. I wish I liked to cook as much as I like to bake. I do really like to cook, too. But baking feels more fun, but it's not as practical. It needs practicality in their days. Right. I need that. We don't need that. Well, you guys, thank you so much for following along. We do have a review here from Brooke. She said, I love this podcast, 31-year-old mom. And this is the perfect fun podcast to listen to. And the Abys are so sweet and fun. 10 out of 10, I recommend. Thank you, Brooke Ashley. That means so much. Thank you to all of you that engage with the podcast in any way. This is my little plug to encourage you, if you haven't already done so, like this episode, share, comment, rate, review it, do all the things. What can you do? Download, save it, do the things. Do all the things. And we're very grateful to you. And as is our entire team. Yes. Is that all for today, ladies? Yeah. And just keep your eye out for our event that's coming up. And details to come later. I can't wait to announce that. It's going to be so fun. Well, thank you guys. And remember, we're always here. Ready to launch your business? Get started with the commerce platform made for entrepreneurs. 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