The Toast

The Krizzler: Thursday, May 14th, 2026

62 min
May 14, 202616 days ago
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Summary

Hosts Jackson-Claude discuss Kylie Jenner's appearance on Jake Shane's podcast where she opened up about her pregnancies, weight gain, and private early motherhood; they also cover Real Housewives of Beverly Hills fakery allegations, Kelsey Ballerini's reunion with Chase Stokes, and Alex Murdaugh's murder convictions being overturned.

Insights
  • Celebrity podcast appearances are increasingly strategic, with guests choosing 'safe spaces' that respect boundaries rather than pursuing maximum exposure
  • Reality TV production authenticity is under increased scrutiny from viewers who catch continuity errors and production manipulation in real-time
  • Public figures face significant reputational risk when their personal decisions contradict their publicly stated values or recent life changes
  • Wealth and access don't eliminate relatable struggles—even ultra-famous figures like Kylie experience decision fatigue and fashion anxiety
  • Legal technicalities and procedural errors can overturn high-profile convictions regardless of guilt, highlighting systemic justice complexities
Trends
Celebrity pregnancy and postpartum health discussions moving from taboo to mainstream podcast contentRise of 'safe space' podcast strategy where celebrities negotiate boundaries and editorial controlMulti-franchise reality competition shows becoming primary format for YouTube original programmingIncreased viewer forensics on reality TV production—eagle-eyed audience catching continuity errors and fake scenariosPublic backlash against celebrity relationship flip-flopping, especially when contradicting stated personal growth narrativesPodcast networks pivoting from audio-first to video-first YouTube strategy after audio expansion underperformedHigh-profile legal cases being relitigated in real-time through documentary series and public discourse
Topics
Celebrity Pregnancy and Postpartum HealthPodcast Interview Strategy and Boundary-SettingReality TV Production AuthenticityCelebrity Relationship Cycles and Public PerceptionYouTube Original Programming StrategyReality Competition Show Format TrendsLegal System Procedural Errors and RetrialsSocial Media Influencer Career DiversificationPersonal Style and Fashion Decision-MakingMotherhood and Work-Life BalanceParasocial Relationships with Public FiguresReality TV Casting and Personality ConflictsMedical Procedures and Cosmetic EnhancementBook Publishing and Celebrity MemoirsStreaming Platform Content Strategy
Companies
Netflix
Platform where Kylie Jenner appeared on Jake Shane's podcast; also home to Alex Earl's new reality show 'Earl Meets W...
YouTube
Alex Cooper's primary platform for new reality competition shows including 'Unwell Summer Games' and 'POTSTERS'
Neutral Gina (skincare brand)
Brand that fired actress for discussing postpartum depression publicly; hosts discussed their switch to Ray All wipes
Ray All
Wipes brand mentioned as replacement for Neutral Gina products by one of the hosts
Margo
Shoe brand worn by one host; described as alternative to M. Jemmy
M. Jemmy
Shoe brand mentioned in comparison to Margo shoes
Goodreads
Platform where hosts add books to their reading lists, including Lena Dunham's upcoming memoir
Jay Shetty Podcast
Platform where Lena Dunham appeared to discuss postpartum depression and brand firing
People
Kylie Jenner
Guest on Jake Shane's podcast discussing pregnancies, weight gain, and early motherhood experiences
Jake Shane
Host of podcast where Kylie Jenner appeared; interviewed multiple celebrities about personal topics
Kelsey Ballerini
Spotted reuniting with ex Chase Stokes in NYC, contradicting her stated fresh start narrative
Chase Stokes
Reunited with Kelsey Ballerini in NYC after previous public breakup and infidelity issues
Alex Earl
New Netflix reality show 'Earl Meets World' announced; promoted heavily across platforms
Lisa Kudrow
Called out Real Housewives of Beverly Hills production fakery on Watch What Happens Live
Andy Cohen
Defended Real Housewives production authenticity after Lisa Kudrow's on-air criticism
Dorit Kemsley
Central figure in disputed Italy van scene that sparked production authenticity questions
Alex Murdaugh
Murder convictions overturned by South Carolina Supreme Court; granted new trial on procedural grounds
Craig Conover
Hosts suggested he should date Kelsey Ballerini to help her move on from Chase Stokes
Lena Dunham
Upcoming memoir discussed; fired from Neutral Gina brand for discussing postpartum depression publicly
Jessica Simpson
Spotted on flight with Nicolay Nicholson; flew kids in coach while she and mother flew first class
Nicolay Nicholson
Appeared on Watch What Happens Live and revealed Jessica Simpson flight details
Jackson-Claude
Co-host of The Toast podcast; discussed current events and celebrity news
Quotes
"She's just a girl. She's just a girl."
Host discussing Kylie Jenner's relatability despite wealth and fameMid-episode
"If you can't get dressed, how can any of us stand a chance?"
Host reacting to Kylie's difficulty finding outfits despite unlimited wardrobeKylie Jenner segment
"She's the Rizlar. Like she's just like the most beautiful woman in the world."
Host describing Kylie Jenner's charisma and presenceKylie Jenner segment
"I hate him. Yikes."
Host discussing Jared Hybon from Real Housewives of Rhode IslandReality TV segment
"We are a safe place. Yeah. Just saying."
Host extending invitation to Kylie Jenner to appear on The Toast podcastKylie Jenner segment
Full Transcript
Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson-Claude and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the Fast 5 Things You Need to Know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to the toast and happy Thursday. It's the latter half of the week. Be grateful, you know. I am grateful. We are also simpatico. I don't know if you noticed. Yeah. Pink sweaters, creamy pants, creamy white pants. Yeah. With a light shoe to match. Yeah. Except my shoes are not made the old way and sold the new way. I know yours are. No, these are not M. Jemmy. Oh. These are brand called Margo. Have you heard of it? No. Tell me more. It's very fine shoe. Okay. I have so much I want to talk to you about. We have a lot to discuss today. We do? Yeah. Because Kylie was on Jake Shane and I stayed up, literally. I thought it came out at noon p.m. I don't know why I just like assume that and then I was playing my so I was like, oh my gosh, I missed it and then at night I'm like, you know what? I'm going to watch it on Netflix. I got in bed at like 945. I turned it on. It didn't come out yet. It came out at 7 p.m. Pacific time, 10 p.m. Eastern time. So I sat there for 15 minutes. Didn't let myself get distracted. Oh, that's really crazy of you to have waited up. And I was first click. Yeah. First. Oh, I could comment. I would have commented first. Yeah, right, right, right. Oh, I didn't know that like it was that type of affair that we were like waiting up till 10 p.m. to watch. I haven't watched it. I'm like. I'm shocked that you stayed up. Yeah, no, I could stay up till 10 to watch. I mean, I've been looking forward to it all day and I know that if I didn't watch it like when it comes out that I and I started to see clips of it and everything I would have like felt like I already watched it and I wanted to have like the full experience. Oh, I guess I guess that makes sense. I watched the Real Housewives of Rhode Island last night, which like people have been begging me to do. And I'm so glad that agent like I had watched the first episode. I thought it was good, but it's like hard to get into like a whole new place. All these people look the same. Yeah, like it's just it's so it's honestly so much work. Try being an influence of Ferds. I try it. But I been was out last night. So I watched like three more episodes. I think it's getting like insane reviews. Like everyone's like sort of like Slamu where it's like this is the greatest reality TV like reality is back. And so I understand why you watch it. And I'll probably watch it too. I do have I am catching some flights this weekend. So I might try and watch it on my plane rides. So I watched, I think the first four episodes and I don't want to like give my I don't want people to spoil it for me in the comments because I feel like something really crazy happens. It's really good. And the only thing is that like Ashley I can Eddie is so out of place on the show. Not only like she's a part of like the younger there's like an older group and a younger group and she's a part of the younger group, but she has like no ties to this group. No ties to Rhode Island. She's like sharing her personal story and like while I'm sorry that you're having a hard time, like I really don't say how it's relevant to the show. Like she's supposed to be bringing like the secret lives of Mormon wives energy like young mom talking about like balancing it all her husband like is trying to earn a living not because they need the money but just to like make himself feel good. Feel like a man. And I don't know if the point of the show is to make me hate Jared Hybon, but I do. Jared, you hate Jared. I don't hate Ashley. I feel bad for Ashley. I it's like she's home alone all day with the kids and she's the one earning the living, but like it just doesn't take as much time out of the day as his does. And so it's like, but so they're they're like fine for money. Yeah, it's not about money. It's about purpose, which I understand. Yeah, but like if your purpose is leaving your home, your wife at home all day while your whole wife also pays the bills like yeah, it's actually it's jarring like it's very startling. I hate him. Yikes. Yeah. Yeah, I actually did not see that for myself. And I just think that like their storyline and their contributions thus far again, I'm only on the fourth episode. I don't see how it's relevant. All these people like they went to middle school together like at least just telling a story and he used to be married to my Spanish teacher. Like it's so interconnected and that's what's actually really great. Like, you know, those people didn't like show up to film together like they've known each other for a little care if they hurt each other's feelings. Like it doesn't mean my mother's friends with a sister like it's so connected. And actually, I just feels like a really random addition and they did this game where it's like, you know, you pick a question out of the box and the question of the box. Truth box. Yeah, the question is like, you know, everyone has skeletons, you know, you had an affair, your boyfriend has another girlfriend and Ashley's was when did you lose your virginity, which I guess like in the bachelor days, like she was one of the virgins, which was crazy at the time. But like in reality TV, like we don't care that you lost your virginity at 29 like that's not even crazy. It's like, it's not crazy. But I'm saying like that was her thing. The other ones was like pictures of your husband and his mistress that she's still like writing that that's her like really big central trauma. I saw a clip of her. I don't know if it's part of what you've already seen yet or not, but it's not a spoiler and she's like breaks down crying because she's like talking about how everybody else has like these really like terrible traumatic things that have happened. And like she doesn't have anything like that. And like it makes her so scared for like whenever that does happen. Like, like, No, I haven't seen that. Yeah. That's what I mean. Like her like seriously, her contributions that feel so bizarre and random on the show. And there is like this younger crew Rosie and Kelsey and they got crazy shit going on like Rosie like is like was waiting for the call from Andy Coleman and she got it and she's not giving like she's not be kicked off the show. Like if there's a stone to turn, she will turn it. And then Kelsey obviously she's the polygamist. She's wildly interesting. Yeah. So she's just like, she's like not inherently interesting. Like her life is just like very normal. Yeah. I feel like they were probably trying to court like the bachelor viewers by bringing in a name like that. And it is interesting. But it's not. Yeah. But if it doesn't actually work on the show, it doesn't work on the show. So I need to get all caught up on that. But my content plate like I'm feeling so overwhelmed last night like Ben was gone having dinner with his mom. So I was like, okay, I can either read strangers while burden or start Rhode Island because that's everyone's been asking me to do. So I did start that. But I realized now my book plate is kind of growing because I realized I think maybe you were talking about this when you were like, who's book did I say I wanted to read? Is it hate and panacea? It's not, but I do want to read it. I'm going to actually make good read me to forget. She went on Jay Shetty. And you know, I forgot. She has so many eras of hate and panacea. She was talking about Nashville for me like that. She will always be raising Helen bring it on. But she was also like one of the global faces for like a decade of Neutral Gina. And she was telling the story on Jay Shetty podcast that when she went on live with Kelly and Ryan or whatever it was back then. Kelly Kelly. Maybe it might have been Regis and Kelly. I forget she like was talking about. She's one of the most vocal celebrities who talks about postpartum depression because she had like a really severe case of it. And she had literally been with the brand for 10 years and they fired her because of that. And I heard they're getting dragged. As they motherfucking should. And like, you know what your wipes are trash too. Yeah, I use Ray All now. I just want to say I use Ray All every night and I bought new wipes and I haven't even opened them. Okay, like it's kind of like the Ben Platt effect like Neutral Gina. You're wrong for that, but I do still love your wipes because I use them this morning. No, I just I happen to be like an M. Ray All bomb. Just wait to have to wash my face at the sink where I was going in the garbage. Yeah. And like, I'm sure the people who worked there then like don't work there now, but like, of course, they need to give her $100 million to make it right. Then we're fine commercials. Give her $10 million and we'll call it even. I feel like her book is probably like 8000 pages. Like she has so many, even if she was just like a successful child star. That's an interesting book. Her postpartum depression journey, very lots to discuss there. It's probably an anthology. Yeah, it has to come out. So I just added it to my Goodreads. Oh, it has to come out. So Strangers, Belburden, Lena Dunham. I have a lot of books to read. Yeah. Yeah. So like I said, I don't think you're going to be reading Strangers, Belburden. I am. It's going to be my first one. Oh, it's going to be your first one. Yes. And now it's like, what if you don't even like it? Which I have to like, I could see you not liking it. It's short. I can't hate a short book like thanks for being mindful of my time, Bill. Yeah. I think we should get into the stories because there's a lot to discuss today. And we need to get, I just want to talk about Kylie on Jake Shane. Like that's just top of mind for me, my queen. Okay, but like let's not rush. I'm not done. Okay. What else do you want to talk about? Let me think like what happened to me last night? One of the most foul dinners. Like it was so upsetting. I waited so long for it and it was just disgusting. Oh, I like ordered last night, which I, you know, I never do and I always regret when I do and it was so good. And then I was just like, I was full, but like from garbage. Oh, yuck. Oh, I'm actually doing something major today. I'm taking, I'm literally taking control of my life. I'm doing something major today and taking control of my life as well. What are you doing? I'm finally going to the doctor for my thumb. You guys know I haven't had good like mobility in my left thumb for about three years. Oh my God. Speaking of like random fake ailments. Oh my fucking God. What is Kylie of Cox's? Kylie is talking about her pregnancy like ailments and she had really bad sciatica and her second pregnancy and she said her back has not been the same since she was pregnant with air. She was talking about how she had lower back pain and sciatica. I'm like my sciatica queen. She, she was actually, we'll talk about it in the stories, but she was talking a lot about her pregnancies, which I was glad for. Cause I do feel like when you go on a man's podcast, you don't talk about women's issues like because why would you, but for some reason they like stumbled down the rabbit hole of like how she fared in both of her pregnancies. What she weighed at the top of each of her pregnancies women love to go on Jake shades podcast and talk about how much weight they gained and how much they weighed. Sophia Richie also telling everyone what she weighed on Jake shades podcast. I love that. I do need Kylie to go on like a women's podcast, like to talk about all this stuff like maybe she MD. Cause there were so many follow up questions that I was like, huh, huh, huh. And I'd like, you know, and I feel that way. I guess like people must feel that way when they listen to podcasts in general. I don't always listen, but whenever I do with that's my feeling. I'm like, wait, what about that? That, but it's like someone else's conversation. They didn't want to go down that rabbit hole. So all that to say, I'm really looking forward to having mobility back in my thumb. Although based on my research via chat GBT, the issue that I have like needs to be fixed with hand surgery. Well, let's see. Let's see. Yeah. But wouldn't that be crazy? I've never had surgery ever. You're not getting it. Like if you have to have surgery, you're not going to get it. You're not, but I just never use my thumb. Yeah. You're doing fine. Look at you. You know, I dropped Levi once. I don't know if I ever told Olivia that, but I dropped Levi when he was like little. I was trying to be helpful and like my thumb gave out. I caught him. I just want to say I caught him like within an inch of the floor, but like that's when I knew my thumb was a really big problem. We were in the Hamptons. It was like two summers ago. Sorry, Olivia, but you've been fine with Ruby. You know, sometimes, you know, the thumb gets in the way. Yes, I've been fine technically, but when I have to wait for something to happen, I'm telling you, not having mobility in my left thumb plus the coxidemia. I live a very difficult life. Well, let's see what the doctor says. I'm not going to make a decision before I like you even get. Well, because you know, like before I got pregnant, I was like, you know what, let me fix this before I become a mother. Like I'm going to need my left thumb. I went, I got an X-ray and they were like, there's nothing wrong with your hand. I'm like, are you sure? And they were like, it's probably a nerve issue and nervous don't come up in X-rays. So now I got to get this thing called an EMG and it's just such a fucking pain in the ass. I just need to get the, and I just know I'm going to go to the doctor today and they're going to be like, well, you have to come back for your EMG like schedule it. And it's like, why am I fucking here? Well, that 1000% that's what's going to happen today. So fucking annoying. I know. Well, speaking of mobility, I'm looking forward to a lack of mobility in my forehead because I'm getting Botox today. Are you going to the place that I went to? I did for the first time in over two years. I'm getting Botox. I can't friggin wait. I can't wait to be like so confused by how I'm feeling. Yeah. I'm going to be happy. She's sad. She mad is the sun in her eyes. We don't know. I saw this like actually misogynistic real about like moms getting Botox being like, we're teaching our children like we're not teaching them how to emote. It's like, girl, fuck off. Seriously, shut up. Like also personally, even though I think like that's a horrible argument. Like please, we know how to emote. Like you can emote on the inside. I also like other parts of your face that can be besides because I only do my forehead. So they'll see for my crows feet and all the other wrinkles mommy has going on. Yeah. Actually, sorry. The only thing I can't show is sadness and that's not the type of energy I'm bringing to motherhood anyways. And actually the energy that the Botox takes out for me is like RBF and it's like it's this constant RBF when I'm not even mad. It's not going to be like what's wrong and I'm like, this is the best day ever. What are you talking about? Right. So sorry that like we're just removing the phobis and the element from their lives. They're going to see a happy mommy all the time. Good. I'm excited for you. I'm so excited. So we both have big things on the horizon. Lots of mobility coming into question. Yeah. To mobilize or not to mobilize also known as mobilize. Realize mobilize. That's so Kylie. That's so good. Did Jake ask her about that? The realizing stuff. No, surprisingly, because he really went into the archives. Like, no, not that we did not go deep. No, no, sorry. I don't mean I'm deep into history. We went back. I love that. Yeah. Like a lot of different eras, the mall appearances, he he didn't know that they were paid to be on Keek, but I also I mean kick K. I. K. Yeah. They were calling it Keek. They were. Am I wrong? Maybe there's two. One was the one the Kardashians were paid to be on and the other was like an actual app that people were using. Oh, okay. I think it was probably K. I. K. and then K. E. K. Well, no, I feel like the Kardashian ones was like, I forget what it was called, but in this in the captions because I watched it with captions was K. E. K. But they had a lot of typos in their captions. It's fine. Okay. They talked about that. He didn't know that the Kardashians had been paid to be on that app, which I felt like, you know, a lot of people did, but he also was in high school when she dropped to our daughter. How old is he? I thought we were like around the same age. We were at the Super Bowl. When she dropped to our daughter. Really? I remember being like the back of a cab to the Super Bowl. You know, something weird. I took an Uber to work this morning. Yeah, that's right. I was like, and he was like, can you get your seatbelt off? I was like, yeah, sure. But it's just like, it's weird because I would never get into a car, like a personal vehicle or like a Ben's driving my own car. I would never get it without a seatbelt. It doesn't even occur to me. I don't even think there are seatbelts in New York City cabs. He was like, can you get your seatbelt on? I was like, oh yeah, for sure. I just felt like so constricted. I felt like I was being kidnapped. It was so weird. It is weird and it's yuck too. To put on a seatbelt? To touch it. Oh, I didn't think about that. I feel like I don't want to touch anything. You really can't drive that fast in the city. So like, I just feel like it's really not a hazard. Yeah. Oh, they should always wear a seatbelt. Of course. I just felt like it was so crazy. I felt like I was getting in trouble. He was like, put your seatbelt on. I was like, oh yeah, for sure. But he's right. Oh, I feel sick. Why? I feel sick and I actually blame you. Okay. Because I feel like you've ushered me through this beautiful season of motherhood quite perfectly. I have quite actually no notes for you. But you did not tell me. But thank you so much. Let's end the show. That's really beautiful. Thank you so much for listening to the toast. But one thing you just sort of failed to mention, like something I should be looking out for in a milestone that I missed was Hebrew birthdays. Oh. Today's the 27th of ER and I didn't know Ruby's Hebrew birthdays. It's the 21st of ER. I didn't tell anybody to say a Hebrew birthday. It's so confusing because also so often and last year too, the Hebrew birthdays were after the secular birthday. So yeah, no, that's not something that I've, that I'm up on. Well, I feel sick and I blame you. So. Okay. I'll take that. And it makes me feel better. There wasn't like so close to remembering to remind you because that's more frustrating than like, oh, I didn't even know that that was happening. Spacing. Yeah. So sorry for the thing I had no clue about. That's okay. But happy Yom Huletah belated Ruben. Yom Huletah tzameach. No. Without further ado, because we both have to make it to our mobility appointments. Yeah, we do. Even though months later, I'm good. Last of the month game. It is time for the fast side stories that you do need to know. And the fast side stories that you need to know are brought to you by minted. Whether you're getting married decorating your home, buying personalized stationery or throwing a shower, minted offers unique design forward stationery, art and home decor designed by independent artists from around the world. So minted is such a swirly company. And I feel like the gateway to minted is when you get married. 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No, I know, but like visually. Visually, it's the most inspiring thing I've ever heard. I just love this. I love this. Yeah. It was really exciting when they started to talk about this. Um, I wouldn't expect that to be like conversation fodder. Yeah. I was surprised that like he was interested in these things. But then of course, like when he heard like all the way game, she was like, Oh my God, what were you eating? And it was like, what were like, of course, like what were you eating? Who's business is that? Like, no, no, no, it's like, like, you don't even have to eat a lot to get to that size. Like, you're telling me like, I know, you just eat normal and all of a sudden you're 200 pounds. You're literally. Um, but she was also talking about keeping her first pregnancy very private and like why she did it, which we know, like she didn't want outside influences. She wanted her privacy, but she also. And I also feel like at that time she had such a complicated relationship with her level of fame. And she was 19. Right. I feel like now she's much more settled and like leans into it, but it happened so quickly for her. She was like this, like a relevant sister and then she was the most famous and the richest one. And so I feel like. Like she's sort of healed obviously growing up like heals a portion of that, but I feel like she doesn't feel that way anymore about fame. I actually think, you know, it all worked out whatever, but she did express what seemed to be a little bit of regret for doing it that way. Really? Yeah. Um, I think it was like very hard on her to be so private and to be so insulated and isolated. And she said when we posted the video, she cried for three hours afterwards, like just of the weight, like being lifted off of her chest and like. Oh my God. Realize that maybe she didn't have to do it that way. Um, Oh, that's really sad. Yeah, it is really sad because I understand completely like why at the time it felt like the only way to do it. And she was also talking about how she didn't have security till she had stormy because she just wanted to like live a normal life, like be out in the world on her own driving yourself. But like paparazzi used to follow her everywhere and like say the nastiest things to her. And she was like so young, like in her car and there's like six guys around her telling her she's a slut. And it's like, how do you pull out your car? Like it's just like scary. Yeah. Um, so she was talking like a lot about that time. She, Jake was like, and I, he was like, can I ask this? Like were you like freaking out when you found out that you were pregnant? Like, Right. Cause it was like a teen pregnancy. Yeah. And she was like, yes, but I am, I knew like instinctively that this was what I wanted to do and I was going to do this, whether I had to by myself or like whatever. Right. Did she talk about Travis? She did not talk about him. She mentioned. I wonder what their co-parenting relationship is like. Like to storm a little, like spend the night at Travis's. I never, like he's never around. And you know the Kardashians, they love to keep like former boyfriends and we don't know that he's never around though. We don't know. I just like never see him on the show. Chris is never wishing him a happy birthday. You know, she doesn't. I feel like she doesn't. Um, she did not mention Travis. She did not mention Timothy except one time she said that she's in a relationship because she was being asked about like how she like her hobbies and stuff. And she was like, you know, I only have so much time. Like I'm working so much and then I'm with my kids and then I'm in a relationship and I have my friends and my family and like there's only so much time for all of that. So like that was, I'm sure that that was like a no go for, for Jake because I would have brought it up. So many things are a no go, but it's like, Don't go on a podcast. No, no, that's not what I was going to say. Go on a podcast. Like why do we have to know about every facet of your life? Like we don't, we like, of course I want to know. Like please tell us about Timothy, but like, why can't you just also not, you know, which is what she's doing. And I would rather her go on a podcast and have all of these guardrails that not go on at all have nothing, you know. Yeah. No, and I think she's at a place where like she will only go on something that like will respect her boundaries and like maybe for a while she thought she like couldn't do stuff like that if she wasn't going to be open. And I feel like you can do a little bit and go on like safe places like Chloe and I guess Kid Cudi where you can open up a little bit about the things that you want to talk about. And it's okay if you don't want to talk about other stuff. It's a bummer for me. Like all I want to hear about the funniest part that was so unintentionally funny. They do this segment at the end where they do like Dear Toasters where people like Biden and she's giving advice and like she was giving a prescription. I think you forgot I was also on therapist. Oh, you were. You were not seeing my episode. It's some of my best work. Oh my God. No, I haven't. But now I have to. Okay. So there are certain moments when like I was like, I know that this is iconic. Like I need to be and I was opera and by the hours one fucking pound. It was the same weekend I ran the 5k. It was a busy weekend. I need to watch your episode because this was the first episode of therapist that I watched. So I also was just experiencing a new podcast and new format. It's also so funny to me to like watch someone like reading their ads. I don't know why it like feels like watching you get yelled at by your parents. Like, wait, but she wasn't there. No, no, no, no. I was just like, it was just like funny. Who were the sponsors? Seekik. He's going to a Lord concert that he was very excited about. He is Venmo. He loves his Venmo credit card. He's a big Venmo partner. I think those were the only two. I think it was just like, yeah. And then it was just funny to like watch a podcast. And so, oh, this was the thing, the advice segment. There were there were a bunch of different questions about like how do I find my personal style? And then random questions that were benign, but then there was one that was like, I'm so scared to like put myself out there in relationships of like fear of rejection. Like I just have no confidence and like, blah, blah, blah. And like Jake was like, Oh my God, this is me. Like I'm so scared of rejection. Like, I can't. And Kylie literally did not say one thing. She could not relate. She's not over one piece of advice. She goes like, what's the next one? That's such a slang. It was really, really funny. It was also just really cute because he was like so nervous and like he couldn't stop telling her how nervous he was. And she was like, you're doing amazing. And she's really a big fan of his. She was just like, you are the cutest person on the internet. Like I love your traps. I love your podcast. Oh my God. That's like, that's insane. It was insane. She was so sweet to him. And he was like, you're so nice and like not into like you are intimidating because of who you are, but like you're so sweet and like, you know, like the popular girl who makes everyone feel special. Oh, that's so cute. That's a good analogy. And she was like, no, it's really genuine. She's like, I don't want to be intimidating. And like, I can't imagine what it's like for her to just like be her. Like she's the biggest person in the world amongst like Taylor Swift, but she's just like a girl, you know, Taylor Swift is like singing and on stage and like Kylie just like this like prolific, historic songwriter. Kylie's like literally just a person. And she's just like famous for being a person and being herself. And it's just like, it was, it was very like humanizing. It was very cute. There were a lot of like cute bits, but you know, they were talking about how much they love a cigarette. There are those two are, oh, she's inviting him over and cooking for him. Kylie likes a cigarette. Kylie loves a cigarette. They're, they had, they're having one after they finish recording. I'm cracking off. They drank red wine. They're both going to have a hero summer. Of course. With cigarettes. But no, she invited him multiple times to come to her house and she wants to make him fry chicken, candy, sweet potatoes and green bean casserole. Like to prove to him that he could like Thanksgiving food. By the way, I'm cracking up at this point. You don't have to watch cause I'm literally telling you. But I will say the interview started and I got a little nervous cause they started talking about video games cause she said like, she just got a switch. He was like, Oh my God, I was thinking about getting a switch. What do you play? And so she's talking about how she plays a game called Zelda. And he was like, what's that? And she starts to start to sell the legend.哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎 We live the same life being Kylie. Being teen moms. And then she was saying that she likes podcasts and she's been enjoying doing podcasts and I just like wish he asked like, what do you listen to? I just wish. I know. I just wish. I'm scared. Kylie, she's just everything. She was so everything. And she doesn't even have to do the most. She's just like talking like sharing little anecdotes. There were a lot of anecdotes that like we've heard before. Like a lot of things, you know, King Kylie era stuff, which I've like personally moved on from. But you know, as long as once you get her like in the groove, like she's just like, she has so much Riz. It's off the charts. Like when did that happen? The Riz, yeah. The Riz and the hair and the body and the smiling and the hands like the hair. She's literally the Rizlar. She is the Rizlar. Like she's just like the most beautiful woman in the world. Oh, and then she kept talking about how like, she doesn't leave her house a lot. And he was like, why? And she was like, when I'm in LA and like I know I'm going to leave the house, like I'm going to get paparazzi. Then like, so I have to like put on an outfit. And I just like can't like think of an outfit or like I just don't want to like get dressed or like, she was also talking about how sometimes she like, can't find an outfit and like, she'll take 40 minutes. And then when that happens, she's just like, forget it. I'm just wearing my favorite jeans. I'm like, tanked up her T-shirt. But it's like, how does she not able to find an outfit? She has the most perfect body. Unlimited, yeah unlimited money, unlimited wardrobe. And a perfect body. And if she can't do it, they're seriously gonna hope for the rest of us. And innate personal style and confidence and charisma and swagger. And probably a team of stylists. Like everything fits her. And the best body. Her pants aren't too long. The best body in the world. So like, what does she put on that she says, like I'm not feeling this, I don't like how it, like how would that possibly- She's just a girl. She's just a girl. I don't understand how that's possible. Like what could she possibly put on her body that like didn't look good? It definitely makes me think like, And the thing is, I should never leave the house. Cause if she can't- Right. And we see so often her wearing just like jeans. And jeans. But it looks so thoughtful. No. So it's like, she's having that experience like almost every day. It's not a bad day. Yeah. Almost every day. Especially when getting dressed for the next game. She really doesn't know what to wear. Yeah. Even though like, I feel like it's almost easier to get ready for the next game. Cause like you just need to wear like a mixed jacket or like a shirt or a hat. Yeah. Yeah. So I just, I was shocked by that. So I'm like, if you can't get dressed, how can, how do any of us stand a chance? Oh my gosh. I need kind of to do more podcasts. Obviously like my first choice is the toast, but just in general, and I'm curious, yeah, I guess she's really only going on things that like, she probably listens to Jake's podcast, like things that she finds interesting. Yeah. And I'm sure her friends have been on it. They had positive experiences. It's a safe place. She like entrust him to cut out like whatever, or not ask whatever, which by the way, we do the same thing. Yeah. Kylie, just so you know, we'll obviously respect every single one of your boundaries. We'll cut it. If you need it to cut it down to 30 seconds, like whatever, we'll cut anything you want to cut. If you decide that like you hated it and you don't want it to be released, we won't even release it. Yeah. We would literally scrap the whole thing if you asked us to. And that policy goes for everyone. Like we don't ask questions that they don't want us to ask. And we cut out when people ask us to cut out. Yeah. So we are a safe place. Yeah. Just saying. So yeah, I don't feel like you need to watch it now, but let me know what if you do. I probably will. Yeah. And I'm sure you'll see clips. I just didn't realize it was like imminent homework that we had to be doing. I didn't feel an obligation. I felt it's a desire. It's beautiful. Yeah. No, I was like very much sad and excited. Like my show was on. Kids were down. Cup of pretzels. Oh my God. I also had a couple of pretzels last night. Sparkle water. What kind of pretzels? Pretzel crisps. Very good. But you know what I had that I think is supreme. Honey Twist. Honey Twist. You love Honey Twist. A Honey Twist pretzel is so fucking good. Yeah. Yeah. I like a pretzel crisp. And now I'm going to lose it. Yeah, and a red soul lookup. Yeah. I do like to dip it sometimes. Not at night. In mustard. In the middle of the day with in mustard. That's disgusting. It's really not. Pretzels and mustard is like an old pastime. It's a disgusting pastime. No, it's a classic. Sure. It's as classic as America. And a butter and jelly. Are you ready for our next story? Yeah. Related to yesterday's speculation, Alex Earl's new Netflix show title revealed and it's better than anything we thought of. It is called Earl Meets World. It is. Now I thought it was Earl Girls, even though that is giving rural juror. So upon reflection, I don't want that to be the title. Earl Meets World, it looks really good. They released this cute little trailer. We didn't get a release date yet. It just says like coming soon. Yeah. And it's coming soon. I didn't know anybody else know that her mom had a hot ass boyfriend, which I'm glad for. But there was this other guy besides the dad. And I'm like, who is that? And then I saw him in a picture of Alex, her dad and the wife, Alex and her mom, and then the guy. So I just presumed that that's the mom's boyfriend or her husband. He's so hot. And I just love that for her. I love that for her. Love that for her. And I do feel like the title encapsulates the fact that all the Urals are meeting the world and the world is meeting the Urals. And it's not just about the girls or Alex. Right. I think it's a great title. She's putting a lot of like her weight behind. Obviously it's a big deal to Netflix show, but like she's promoting it a lot. She's hyping it up a lot. Like I'm sad. Like my expectations are high. Yeah. No, as she should. You get one shot at a family reality show. You've put the whole Alex Cooper thing, we presume on this. Alex Cooper also spotted out. Yeah. I was gonna say it's not a story, but she was at the YouTube up front with her husband presenting a strong front, holding hands, not getting divorced. Allegedly. And also announcing new programming. That's two people who are not getting divorced. No, of course, of course, of course. I was kidding. Oh. They also announced new programming for unwell YouTube shows. Yeah, unwell summer winter games, Thanksgiving thrill game. Yeah, I get the sense that like now this is where she's putting all of her eggs, creating original reality shows. Like unwell was doing a lot of things. I feel like for a while she was like wanting to become a big podcast network and that like didn't really work. So now they're doing this. And it's like all YouTube shows. And I get that YouTube is like getting their pussy in the game. And like this is their way. But I just feel like, what's so much a TV show on YouTube? Not me. Is it gonna be on YouTube TV also? Like, yeah, I know. She's sort of like pioneering this new format. No, no, I would watch, like the way I watch a YouTube video, but like if there was a piece of programming that I wanted to watch, I would go and watch it on YouTube. Sure, but like unless Molly May is on summer games, I don't know I'm gonna do that. Yeah. And again, it feels like we were talking the other day about this new genre of reality shows where we're taking people for multiple franchises and making them compete in some sort of thing. This just feels like a rituality retreat. Yeah. Yeah, but not in a good way. Like this is... Because Traders is the, did you with the stars? Like that's the top tier. And some of these shows just sound dreadful. These sound better than reality retreat. I will say reality treat is the absolutely very last one. Lowest, yeah. And I will say everybody else is sort of fighting it out right now. You know, we have the reality mafia show, like we have winner games. It's up for the taking. I think it's a good format. Obviously people want to watch some of this stuff. So everybody's throwing their hat in the ring. And let's see the cream rises, the cream rises. And is it cream? The, we'll find out. The YouTube show that she already had, which was just Unwell Winter Games. And then she also released like a docu-series for behind the Met Gala looks. And I wonder if that happened this year at the Met Gala. Wait, what? One of her things coming up is a Met Gala BTS docu-series. With who? With their YouTube Unwell. No, but I'm saying like, are they getting ready with people? Is it fashion police? I don't know where I saw it. Now I can't find it, but it's not fashion. I just want to say episode of... Probably getting ready with people behind the looks, et cetera, it's hosted by Alex. That's what I read. Oh, that's interesting. Episode four of... It's called Before the Steps. Oh, okay. Episode four of Winter Games, which I'm gathering there was only four episodes. Okay. Cause it came out a month ago. Had a million views. Oh, great. Episode three had 1.7, episode two had a million. And episode one had 1.4. That's pretty good. That's better than like some of that stuff on cable. I mean, Real Housewives of New York, it's less views than my Instagram story. Yeah, yeah. Also the Thanksgiving show that she's doing is called POTSTERS. It's a traders inspired competition where two secret POTSTERS are planted among a volatile group of reality stars and internet personalities, each working to sabotage the night from within for a shot of the cash prize. You know, like if you wanted to, like we could go on stuff like this. No, I'm okay. Right? You know we are personalities. Yeah, no, like we are definitely in the pool of people who might be selected for this new genre of TV shows. Yeah. You guys know I was asked to be on... Special Forces. Thank you. And of course we could forget the mass figure. But no. I never even thought of how this like, what I was just talking about all of these new shows. I mean, you would be really good at POTSTERR. You think so? You should go on. Should I? It's like Thanksgiving theme. So like it's probably like cozy vibes. Like... Right, you know bikinis necessary. That's what I meant. Of course. Exactly what I meant. No, a lot of these is like, it's like a swimming challenge. I'm out. I'm cracking up. Should I like... Put yourself forward. Let me call my agent. Put it out there. Yeah. Jack's on POTSTERR season one. And I think there's like a Thanksgiving feast. Like maybe I could cook. Could you imagine? I don't think that that survived. Could you imagine if I did one of these things? I think you should. I would support that like so hard. I think I should just like shake it up, you know? Sometimes it's just like, what if I just... But then... You have to like leave for it. It's the actual going and doing. Logistics. And what about like the kids? I guess they're coming to... Where are we going? We're all stirring the pot. Yeah. That's the hard part is like the logistics. I guess if they want to... If there's a... Okay. If there's a... One of these shows, what are we calling them? Like a mix... Let's call it like South Florida retreat. Yeah. No, if there's one that's going to happen in South Florida, but it's giving bikinis. So never mind. So never mind. If there's one that's happening at like Disneyland. Disney World. In the winter. Let me know. In January. There probably is considering how many different permutations of shows are happening. Right. Like this is the new trend. Everyone's trying to be traders. Yeah. I'm fucking cracking up that we could go on shit like this. Yeah. But we're not going to, right? Like please don't make me. I know. I know what we're not going to, but not like just thinking about it is just giving me a chuckle. And it's like, it's just fun to think about. Yeah. Although I do feel like, because the internet is so like group think, I feel like they are going to have a hard time casting high level people for internet personalities for these types of shows. Cause everybody's like team Alex Earl. Oh no. Everybody's thirsty. And Alex Earl is not giving them a job. It's so true. So all of you guys who really showed yourselves and your jealousy. Yeah. Right. Everybody like making TikToks. Into your hole. Cause she's still the boss. And now paychecks. Are you ready for our next story? You're not, you're not going to want to hear it, but we have to talk about it. What? Kelsey Ballerini and Chase Stokes were reunited and spotted together strolling through the streets of New York City. Yeah. This is really bad. Yeah. It's really bad. Not only for like, it's bad for her because I don't feel that this is, you know, her end all be all someone who cheats on you. Someone who publicly embarrasses you. Like this is not a person who really loves you deeply. So from a relationship romantic standpoint, this is such a bad call, but also like for some reason, and it's cause it's like when people, you know, flip flop back and forth in the public eye, just like rubs people the wrong way. But this is also like so bad for her Q score. Like this really turns like rubs people the wrong way in terms of like the public perception of it. And I think that like it's not good for her career either. Yeah. No, it's not because it rubs people the wrong way, but also like if the songs, and her songs are so mirror images of her life. And she drops them like the week after she writes them. And so if the songs are about like this right now, like nobody wants to hear it is the problem. Like it's not even if she writes a banger, like it's not really a relatable feeling of like going back to like the person that everybody wants to, like at a certain point, yeah, he's bad for you. You could write that song, but like this, you know, the beating of the dead horse, nobody wants to hear it. It's so incongruous with this like new era she's been in. She moved to New York and all of her content and her interviews has just been about how it's been like such a freeing experience to live in a new place, by herself, make new friends. And so she's like made, you know, 10 steps forward and now 11 steps backwards. Like it's just, you hate to see it. Maybe she needs your friendship and counsel. I am around, of course. I do live in the bright light big city. But you know, it's also like sometimes like people just have to like make their own mistakes and like learn the hard way. And it's definitely tough to do with so many people watching and criticizing cause like, you know, normal girls do this all the time. They go back to like their shitty acts and. Yeah. Yeah. But I feel like. I think we expect more of our, of our spoiling singer songwriters. I feel like the back and forth like was fine until a point. And I feel like with them, they've reached that point and now we're past the point. And I feel like with even with normal girls. She's not sharing anymore. Even normal girls get to a point. With their friends and we're friends, right girl? I can't be doing this. And where it's actually over. Like when does it just be over? Yeah. I thought it was. I actually really did. When she was like, listen, I'm done sharing. Like I made a mistake. And then like, she like looked so silly. Cause he did, you know, end up doing whatever and they broke up again. It's really crazy. And you know what makes it even sadder? It means that she's not dating Craig Conover. And maybe if she was dating Craig Conover, we wouldn't be in this pickle. And I actually need Craig to just slide into her DMs. Cause you know, that's how we're in her and Chase met. So like, she obviously peruses. Yeah. And she like knows him from the show and she bit on him and like, he would be great. Yeah. She needs to, he needs to send like a really slick message. Let's help him think of like being like, just to sort of help her get out of this bind. Like. Or he should just ask her out. You know what? I think I need to take matters into my own hands. And set them up. I have both of their phone numbers. I just put them in a chat and be like, listen, I think you two should meet. Yeah. You should have, or, or you host like a dinner party, like a Shabbat dinner. When Craig's in town. Yeah. And invite both of them. I think that's better. That's actually a really good idea. I think that's better. I'll have to find out when Craig's coming. But if Craig flies in all the time, when they go back, Craig, he flew, no, you flew in for Ruby's Briss. I fucking love that. Like, I just fucking love him. They try to make us hate him and they could never. Never. Okay. This is a good plan. Yeah. Are you ready for our fourth story? I am. Andy Cohen denies Real House as a Beverly Hills fakery after a loose to Kudrow awkwardly called him out on Watch What Happens Live. Oh, I'm so glad we're talking about this. Cause I also want to talk about something that happened on Watch What Happens Live last night with Nicolay. Did you see that clip? Which about the plane? Yeah. I didn't see the clip. What happened? So Andy was like, there was a rumor that you actually were on the same flight as Jessica Simpson quite recently. And Nic, who was actually very respectful, was like, yeah, we were on the same flight. And Andy was asking so many questions. So like he ended up spilling a little bit of tea, but only because Andy was pushing. The comments were like, Nic loves to talk about Jessica. Actually, I felt like it was really pulled out of him. Cause he was being a little confusing. Cause it was like, we were both there with our families. But then Nic was like, yeah. So it was like Jessica and her mom. And Andy was like, well, where are the kids? Lo and behold, Jessica flew her kids coach. Well, Nic, Vanessa and the whole crew were in first class. Jessica and her mother were in first class and the kids were in coach. And I just want to say that makes me love her. Like kids should not be flying first class, unless they're like, you know, under the age of like, they need diaper change. When kids can be grown. Yeah, bitch, you're sitting in coach. We're not all flying first class. Until they can sit without their parents. Absolutely. Yeah. It wasn't clear if her husband was also in coach with them, which I actually think- Did they split up? So then Nic was like, and I'm not sure if it's like where they stand, but like her husband, I think he was in coach with the kids. Wow, queen. Queen. The comments were coming for her. I'm like, wait, no, that's my fucking queen right there. No, but also like queen for Nic and Vanessa for flying with their kids in first class, even though they're a blesser means. Much lesser. So everyone just seems like a good person in this story. Yeah. And he, and I think that like for a while, he hated Jessica Simpson. Like obviously that was his ex-wife, but like hated because he became the villain in the story. And I think it took a really long time with like positive, like honestly, love is blind really helped. Like positive public affection, like for him to get out of it. So I think now they're at a place where they all like each other, but I think they really hated Jessica for many years. Yeah, but I also think he was a bad husband. Yeah. Not just that like her story painted him in a certain way. Like I think that he was like- We all watched it on the show. And also like in her book, like I think he was the wrong husband for her. I think he was very jealous and like just, and maybe I don't know why I just like a whole piece, not that person anymore. He was also younger and like maybe he didn't like how he was. I agree that I think he wasn't a bad person. He was like a young, famous, like it's just a recipe. I could see him being like a healed version now. Yeah. But yeah, like when you're a pop star marrying a pop star, then like your wife becomes much more famous in Rich and New. And like your star is rising and who your star is lowering and hers is rising. Like that's gotta be hard for a young person. Yeah. And like seriously, what kind of young male can really, like what's the best way to handle that? Right. It's, it takes a real strong type and a lot of maturity and wisdom that come with age. Yeah. Anyways, so Andy Cohen addressed Lisa Kudrow because when she was on Watch What Happens Live, Andy asked her about like what she's watching and she said that she had been watching Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. And he like wanted her take and he was like begging her for it. And she was like, you're not gonna like it. You're not gonna like it. And I thought what she was gonna say was it's boring like remember when Sarah Michelle Keller said that. Yeah. And so then she was like the band. She said, I saw the Beverly Hills episode. You don't want me to discuss it. I'm telling you right now. I'm just, she said, I'm just going to say Black Mercedes Sprinter Twins. I caught that. I'm sorry. To which Andy awkwardly chuckled and responded, okay, yeah. So then he- So what she's referring to is that in Italy on Beverly Hills, there's like this big scene where to read Leaves, Erica, they all took a cab together, a Black Mercedes Sprinter Man. They all took it up to this gelato shop and Doric gets mad and leaves and takes the car. But you know, eagle eyed viewers were quick to point out, there were two vans there because they had two different license plates. It was so like actually quite obvious what was going on. So they're making this big storyline. Like you left us up the mountain. It's like, no, we didn't. There was a car right there. They're like, we had to wait 45 minutes for an Uber. They would see them like walking the street and then they wind up getting in a van. And it's the same van that's over there. So Andy spoke about it on his radio show. He said, it blew up that people were saying she was calling me out on the fakery of the show. He explained to his co-host that the scene that she was referring to was when they blew up in Italy. Dorit said, screw you, got in Mercedes van and left. What Lisa was pointing out was that there was another Mercedes van there. So they weren't stranded. However, he said, he had heard from producers that Dorit did strand them in town. The other car was the crew vehicle that was taking the crew somewhere else. So Kyle and Erica then called the house to ask for a ride back. They called the house and that's why the van that had just dropped off the crew, then returned to get Erica and Kyle. He promised that they were walking on the street and that waiting for the car was real. He added that the stars were waiting for some time before the crew van returned to get them. It's not even that interesting, he said. I'm sorry to bore you guys, but that's what happened. Well, I also then read a blind item from Andy on Twitter. That was like Andy was really pissed about this and Lisa Kudrow's never allowed back on Watchtrap and Slide. Even though I believe Andy Cohen is a huge Lisa Kudrow fan, like the comeback is his favorite show. And I believe that they're like old friends. So I'm gonna choose not to believe that, but I know that I can see Andy being so mad. It's just not that big of a deal. First of all, I don't know that I believe Andy's story. Maybe, I don't think he's a liar, but I just don't like his version of it because why would the crew take a van when there's two ladies stranded on the mountain? Right, wouldn't the car take the ladies and then the crew? And where is the crew going to another location if it's not the house where they're all filming and saying the other women are at the house? Right, and why can't the women and the crew strive together? Yeah, or to read in the crew. And so it's like, maybe he's telling, maybe this is true, but I just, I don't like it, you know? I agree. I don't want to believe it. I don't want to believe it. Maybe it's a version of the truth. I don't want to believe it. I also don't really care. No, me neither, and it's not that big of a scam. Like I see a show that they fake stuff for the show. I don't think that it was fake, but I do think that maybe production could have had a situation where Erica and Kyle were not stranded because they did have another car, and they chose to strand them. Drama it off. The thing is, Doree did not strand them. She saw two cars and she took one, knowing her friends had another car. I think that's the difference. It's not that Doree stranded them, and then production chose to strand them then. Yeah, it's just that interesting. Like, you know? It's not, I think, but it feels like a gotcha moment, like for like fans, be like, oh. Yeah, eagle-eyed viewers. Like, I guess. I'm the opposite of an eagle-eyed viewer. I can't get off my phone. I'm busy watching an episode of Euphoria. Like, well, we lost some family ills on my TV. I'm watching Cassie and Nate. Yeah. And maybe Zendaya. Did she die? Who knows? Will Cassie and Nate divorce? I keep being surprised that it seems like they're not divorced because he's like calling her from the kitchen, like with the bills, being like, work harder, like make that money. Well, maybe they don't get divorced because like one of them dies. Now I'm like, now you put it into my brain that somebody dies. Oh, okay. Who do you think it is? TBD, it might have been Zendaya already. We don't know. Based on what I've seen, I think it's true. Oh, you know what? That's a good poly market. Like, who dies in Euphoria? Like prediction, hold on. I think it's true. And that would like make sense. You know, I think Zendaya's ready to be done. Oh, wait, there is one. Who will die in Euphoria season three? 77% of people say it's Nate Jacobs. That's Jacob Alorty. 57% of people say it's Rue. I feel like Rue's like a little obvious. 15% say Jules. Nate is a good, but like the show. Fortunately, I don't know Jules because she's not. Hunter Schaefer. Her reels haven't hit you yet? No, I don't get her scenes now. Well, you could check out the poly market, pop culture markets, download the app and use code TOAST, of course. Oh, you told me Jules and Rue are together. Is that what you're saying? Yes, yes. And then there's a couple of other people here, Matty. But no, I actually think Nate Jacobs is a good guess. I think so too, based on what I've seen. He deserves to die. Yeah, but he's like the villain and like shows like this. That's too, like it's too much of a happy ending. But wouldn't it just be like then the women can like rise? It's not that type of show. It is not that type of show, my girl. Girl boss to the sun and the moon and back. It ain't that type of show. And sisterhood will no longer be screwed. Well, I say screw sisterhood. You think that's like the theme of euphoria? Kind of, yeah. Yeah. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Yeah. We're at little crazy, turdy, loo murder news. Oh my God. I can't believe we're back to talking about this. Alex Murdaugh's murder confessions, convictions, not confessions, that's important distinction. His murder convictions of wife and son shockingly overturned in a new trial has been ordered in a wild twist. So Alex Murdaugh, the disgraced South Carolina legal scion who was found guilty of killing his wife and son had his murder convictions sensationally overturned yesterday by the state Supreme Court after it found that the local county clerk had placed her fingers on the scales of justice. Murdaugh was serving two consecutive life sentences without parole for the grisly 2021 murders of his wife, Maggie, and their 22 year old son, Paul, following a dramatic six week trial that gripped the nation and many docu series. Although we are aware of the time, money, and effort expended for this lengthy trial, we have no choice but to reverse the denial of Murdaugh's motion for a new trial due to Hill's improper external influences on the jury and remand for a new trial. So what did they do that caused a retrial? This is so crazy. The murderers lawyers appealed the convictions arguing the trial was affected by county clerk Becky Hill, who they say tampered with the jury during the trial. They also accused the judge of allowing prosecutors to present more than 12 hours of evidence regarding his financial crimes to prove a motive for the murder. Murdaugh's lawyers appealed the murder convictions arguing the trial was affected by, oh, they put that again twice. That's the typo. Oh my god, no. So it's the technicality? What? He's getting a retrial on the technicality because they went over 12 hours. I don't think you have a 12 hour limit. I think they're saying it was unduly, they're showing 12 hours of financial crimes, which would sway a jury. But financial crimes have actually nothing to do with whether or not he murdered them. I mean, I'm excited because that was a fun time. We were all watching the trial. Obviously, Turdy Lumurdah was born of this trial. I just really feel like he did it. And if he didn't, he's covering up for his son who did it. And so I was OK with this. Yeah, no, my question is, if he didn't, then who did? Right. And it's been a while since I watched the documentaries. I watched a few because it was a really hot topic at the time. But there were theories that it was the Sun Buster. Buster. That's not that the lights went out in Georgia. But then the Sun that he killed hit the girl with the boat? Oh, right. They were also like, they were a fucked up family because. They killed same. They had just like a lot. They were hitting. They were like a very wealthy family in a small town. So they knew the sheriff and the judge and everything. And it was just like everyone had blood on their hands. And so they had a dark past of like both the sons. No, the son who's alive and is the one. And what about the boy? The boy on the street hit by a. Right. Buster. Buster. Hit and run. He like took that boy. What boy? I think I think he was gay. Oh, the gay boy. I remember. Yeah. And they killed him. Someone killed him. Buster. Yeah. I need to refresh before the next trial happens because I'm sure we'll all be sat again. And I need to remember like what I thought and what I felt. Yeah. There were like a couple murders in the town that. I'm sure there will be. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. That were in the orbit of the family. And then someone killed the mother. And they had this huge property. And then someone killed the mother and the son. And it was thought to be the father that did it. I'm sure there will be another documentary that now includes this update and the trial and stuff because I'm kind of ready to be sad again for this. Yeah. And I just like if he didn't do it, who did it? Right. It's one of those who done it. Well, a lot of people think it was the son because he has his history. Remember the gay lover? Oh, and people thought maybe it was a lover. Yeah. That he's gay. Right. Very David Kuroski energy from Clay. It was for sure. One thing about David Kuroski from Clay is like it all roads lead to him. Like he's sort of a timeless. Well, it's not really. He's almost like a silhouette. Like a lot of people are David Kuroski. Like a self-hated. The gay basher who's secretly gay. Yeah. Bully. Right. What did you call him? The gay bastard. Gay basher? Gay basher. No, I would never call someone a gay bastard. I didn't say bastard. I didn't hear what you said. It's like gay bastard. And I didn't know. No, gay basher. Like somebody who like beats up gay people. Yeah. But it's because they themselves are gay. Yeah. It's a complicated thing. Well, those are the Fast 5 stories. You need to know them. Very fast. Not even. I did. Not fast. Norof. Nice long episode. Norof. Norof. Yeah. That's our show tomorrow's Friday. So just like we have that to look forward to. 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