Mailbag Madness: Must-Watch DBs, American Gladiator Pro Bowls & Multi-Sport Marvels

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We have submissions from fans of the show, people attached to the show, and a bunch of questions that we might knock out. Some of them are NFL related, some of them are NFL adjacent. And yeah, here's the first one. Kevin from McLean, Virginia writes, there's a story going around about Amari Bailey. He's a former McDonald's All-American, a five-star recruit. He played for UVA. He was the most touted player on Ronnie James's high school team. He's played 10 NBA games and now wants to go back to college basketball. What would happen if an NFL player tried to do this near the end of their rookie contract when it's clear they aren't going to get paid and might be out of the league soon? I assume it's a bigger advantage being on an NFL roster and an NFL strength and conditioning program than it is being in the NBA or the G League. But I would love to know what you think about this. At that point, would a player be the frontrunner for a Heisman? Or should he even be eligible for the awards? And is there a world where NIL deals become more valuable path for players like that than bumming around the NFL at the end of a roster? So UCLA, I think, is Amari Bailey. I think you might have said UVA. Oh, sorry. You played at UCLA. And he's, yeah, it sounds like he's going to come back. It is hard for them to make an argument for him not to come back because college has accepted other pro athletes back as long. I mean, I was going to say as long as they fit into certain age parameters. But the problem with all of this NCAA stuff is that James Najee. Yeah. And it's soccer. It's rampant in soccer. But I guess the big sports, there have been a number of basketball players. There haven't been any football players yet, to my knowledge. And that's the point I think that Kevin was bringing up is that you could go back. The problem is the NCAA is afraid to make any rules because they make any rules or afraid to enforce any rules because they enforce these rules. They then open themselves up to more legal challenges, which they've been perpetually losing. And so the NCAA badly wants Congress to step in and set some kind of laws, give them some antitrust exemptions, but not make them an employer. and the NCAA could impose some rules if they decided that this was work, which then would open them up to workers' compensation and open up to a bunch of other legal challenges, and eventually the athletes would have to be unionized. So we are in this state of limbo where nothing is actually against the rules. I think we grew up in a world believing that amateurism was a real thing and you can't play pro and then go amateur. It only existed because the NCAA said it existed. And if the NCAA has no power over the teams and the teams would not sign players or put players on the floor or on the field that had played professionally, then it held up. Right now, the teams don't seem, the schools don't seem to respect the NCAA. And NCAA doesn't have any mechanism to put any teeth into this because they don't want to expose themselves to legal challenges. So if a football player were to do this, yeah, it sounds like it makes sense. Like you are, so much maturity, physical and emotional mental maturity happens once you get into the pro ranks i think spending a year in the nfl i was so much better than like any one year leap in college so yeah especially for other positions like i played a position that wasn't as like about strength but like you get a offensive lineman yeah a year and a real or two years you're saying like after your rookie deal uh three four years why not go back can get nil money like yeah you sir there's no reason why you can't and it like it makes me a little uncomfortable because i have to confront the fact that i don't like it but it's consistent with my uh like generally pro-labor liberal beliefs is like yeah this amateur nonsense is a farce But I have to accept that college sports ain't going to be the same and it's not getting better. Like this doesn't make college football better. That happening will not make college football better for me. The fact that they don't want to treat it like it's actual labor and then institute some real rules, like that's the problem. But I'm not going to be happy when some player, some football player tries to do that. Yeah. It's going to make me unhappy. But I'm not going to stand in a way. I'm not going to argue that he shouldn't. Well, like what happens if in theory, like I'm not saying like if say Anthony Richardson wanted to go play two more years of college football, because he was a redshirt sophomore when he came out. Conceivably, he would be awesome. He'd be the Heisman front runner on whatever team went to him. And he would, while some of his stuff seems remedial in the NFL, he would presumably be very advanced for the college game now. And what do you do with that? That like that like breaks the sport. I'll tell you this. I didn't really, really like I got better at watching film when I got to the league. I didn't really, really learn how to watch film until I got around Ed in Baltimore. And if I had that ability, when I go back and see, like I can predict college plays with not only like the concepts, like because college teams, they have limited practice time and they have maybe two or three professionals on the field at any one time. there are guys who can't handle that level of complexity so if you watch what people are running what plays they're running in any four-week period they're the same they might be the same all the way to the end of the year the tips and clues are the same so like that alone like the intelligent experience of understanding how to officially watch film is something that you might bring back to college you put on top of it the grown man's strength and physicality the maturity the speed of the game getting slower like all of that stuff it changes everything i do think that it gives you a bit of an advantage it's not unfair because it's within the rules but it's not going to be like i i think because it's happening in sports that we care less about including basketball if it happened in football it'd be a huge story yeah and it's just it's just so interesting because and obviously a quarterback be the biggest story but could be anything it'd be you know and any any position it's just so interesting because it's like you know you see some of these nil valuations of being like six million dollars or eight million dollars for like whatever like yeah like nico iamaliava and yeah it's like every quarterback in nfl they pay for this and it's like in theory there's a number where if the guy's like i'm not going to get a big deal i'm gonna end up on a backup salary even that's around 10 million dollars you might get the same for college and then have another another bite the apple i mean i'm sure the guy can't get enter the nfl draft again but like what happens with his rights all this stuff is just really interesting about about your earning power and your present potential in places where you can earn money because of the value of the games one of our recent shows we had a conversation about how the college the way that college has developed has been perfect for the nfl and it's kind of really hurt the nba in a way this is a the first time where you've proposed something or something's been proposed that the nfl wouldn't like yeah like they would try to step in front of and get in the way of everything else that has happened like the nfl doesn't mind any of this like this is all good anything that encourages players to stay in college longer to get better to become more famous to to have a bigger following to like test all of their abilities like that helps the nfl this one if you're cycling guys back in that doesn't help and i it'll take more than one or two guys it helps college football oh it doesn't even help college football it helps the eyeballs to be insane for a couple weeks i don't know if it helps college football at all actually i don't know dumb point no i mean it might it doesn't hurt college football i mean it just makes it weird and feel illegitimate and like it makes it feel like the sport ceases to exist as we know it and like i'm not like a traditionalist but it'd just be bizarre yeah but the traditionalist the thing about that is that's gone man yeah i was way gone it's way gone like they played 16 games this year oregon's in the big 10 yeah it's like stanford's in the acc the atlantic coast conference go back to playing nine of ten games and pick two teams they go play for national championship how funny was how excited yale people were to be like indiana's the first team since yale in 1890s i didn't know that they were like we went 16 and out congratulations during reconstruction oh that was that was before um the government had to step in to make it so people stop dying right that was the foundation at ncaa was because football was too violent and they were going to have to end football because too many people were dying as a result of it, especially at the Ivies. Next question. Ryan from Miami. In a perfect world, how would you fix the Pro Bowl? I can't decide what would be better, an American Gladiator-style obstacle course or a five-on-five basketball game. In this scenario, we are turning injury sliders off. So what should they do? It's obvious that it's American Gladiator obstacle course if those are my two options. the five on five basketball game I think that we might be disappointed it would be hilarious because there would be some guys that are obviously great basketball players but not all football players are great not all football players have the athleticism that can translate like a lot of football players are really explosive and really strong but like the the dexterity and the coordination of dribbling and shooting Ain it When I was in college and the football players would come to the regular rec to play basketball Oh yeah it was the best It was just so annoying I was like, oh, great. This SEC defensive back is getting every rebound and elbowing me and hand checking me. It's like, you guys aren't actually good at basketball. We better than you. Kind of. Y'all didn't win. Did you win? No, definitely not. Of course not. I was also just like mentally just like I can't deal with this. We're not good basketball players. We're physical though. Oh, it was horrible. Yeah, just doing 360s out of nowhere. Can't shoot for s***. Can't dribble up and down the court. But hey, jump out the gym. There also wasn't, it wasn't just like a box out. It was like if you're boxing out, you're getting thrown into the stanchion. Oh, yeah, yeah. I ran through so many screens. I see that screen right there. I'm running through it. I mean, it would be fun to watch. See, now the way that you're talking about this. This is like slam ball in real life. Yeah, but the American Collider is, I think that, american gladiators are pretty fun yeah so i mean i guess now would be american ninja warrior is like the new american gladiator but i want them with like the batons hitting each other on like a narrow platform true i see american ninja warrior i think i've just gotten to the age where i don't think i could complete the course about five years ago i think i could complete the course i um i remember when the levitard show did that and charlie human billy went to like a gym before they did obviously like so hard man and charlie's a way better athlete than i am and he was like i can't do it yeah the vast majority of this okay well it's upper body strength man it's like my youngest would be great at that yeah i mean she's incredible she like does handstands all over the place yeah um but yeah i i got good upper body strength like i would have crushed it you're sort of built for if you train for it for sure yeah for sure yeah not now yeah i think i think part of it too is you actually have to practice like the grips the amount of steps on certain things which that gets underrated anyway uh next one uh dan from connecticut there's been so much talk about mahomes allen lamar and burrow over the last seven years but now none of their teams are what you would refer to as serious outfits do you think this season is a blip on the radar or do you think this is a real changing of the guard where it's considerably where will be considerably less common for them to compete for super bowls so i think dan doesn't understand what i mean by serious outfit like i think that all except for the well maybe not the the bills anymore but like i think the there's still a serious outfit just because they had bad seasons they're still serious outfits um i wouldn't go so far as a turning of the page though it's funny how fast this all happened that these guys have kind of become it's a short period of time but like they yeah they've kind of become the old guys yeah fast as hell getting injured and fighting through all these injuries and um basically feeling like there's like a whole nother class of quarterbacks that's coming up for us to be excited about that's good though yet like yeah no they aren't yeah they certainly aren't but like there is a this was them just like four years ago yeah right four years ago we were like this is this group they're gonna own the league and now we're at the point where they are supposed to own the league and some other quarterbacks have gotten to the promised land before those well two of those three have gotten there so yeah i i get it but i think we're still in their primes they're gonna come back and still be really really good i thought that the phrasing of this was interesting considerably less common for them to compete for super bowls the answer to that i would say is yes just because when you strengthen the pool of contenders and if you're saying there is this other crop of it just by the numbers of it it's going to be hard to pencil in a mahomes versus either lamar or josh allen AFC championship game every single year. That's not to say that one of them might not make a Super Bowl, but considerably less common. The phrasing of that, it felt so fait accompli that two of those three teams are going to play in the AFC championship. I guess defining that question, too, is like playing for a championship is it sounds like you're saying that's like getting to the championship of your division. I mean, of your conference. Yeah. Right. I was just thinking like a team if they are competitive, like if I can look at them and see like this is a championship team. so yeah maybe something will happen along the way but i think it's more likely than not that i guess that's the way what situation do you think is the most it would be the most uh you have the most faith in of that of those four mahomes alan lamar and burrow uh they're all so flawed now yeah yeah that's tough uh damn that's a tough question um huh i guess i would say mahomes i don't know i feel like just because they've done it so many times in so many different ways i know he's coming off an injury and i know they're replacing offensive coordinators and the defense is not as good as it once was like i can see how that would not quite work out but like when i look at the josh allen situation it's like yeah they're always going to be good on offense they kept the offensive coordinator and made him the head coach but the question is what's going to happen on that defensive side um terry pagula doesn't seem like he uh has the firmest grip on running that organization baltimore i think you have a bunch of faith in them but they have a first time head coach and they're looking at like a future where lamar has not agreed to an extension just yet and it doesn't feel that it's all peaches there at the moment and then joe burrow is like a cincinnati man it's cincinnati man um next one drew from dc simple question here which db is currently your favorite to watch in the nfl so sertain comes to my mind as the best patrick sertain he's everything yeah he's just so big and physical and fast and just really fun dominant player um but i think watching witherspoon this year like i've definitely witherspoon for the seahawks i watched a lot of seahawks tape and Of course, I like what Emin Rory's doing. But Witherspoon is one of the smaller DBs on this, like, generally pretty big and physical DB unit, and he's the best one. And he's so physical and so impressive and still covers as well as everyone. I think I would also throw Kamari Lasseter in there. I like watching him more than watching Stingley. Obviously, Stingley was a hire. Stingley was your guy. I know. Stingley was my guy. He still is my guy. He's an amazing career. He still is amazing. But, like, when you're talking about who you want to watch play, Like I like watching the way that Lassiter plays. I think Lassiter probably Stingley plays a more like small, fast, like a game closer to the one that I would play if I could play that well. And I think that might be why I like watching Lassiter. Lassiter, not Stingley. No, I'm saying Stingley does. Lassiter is like a big physical, like I'm going to use, like that was never me. Like I tried to play physically, but like I wasn't going to like overpower receivers. Lassiter does that routinely and then still runs with him. I like watching him. He's my favorite DB to watch of the Texans. And then we already mentioned him in War. He's a fun, big guy. So fast for size. Yeah. If I had to pick one of all these guys, I think I would go with Witherspoon. I can't wait for you to watch Caleb Downs tape going into the draft. Not even because I think you're going to fall in love with him, but I just want to see what you think about this guy who's had two different college football lives from nick saban to the out of state from being in the box to playing deeper and the instincts of it because i mean the cops are crazy people are like somewhere between brian branch and ed reed is what someone on the ringer said what i mean what i think about him just given what i know about i heard and i haven't done the deep tape watch yet but honestly it's a broader conversation about how i kind of feel like there's a new position being created and it reminds me a little bit of how we went from four three defenses to three four defenses and there was like a new position created of these outside linebackers that were like tweeners between off the ball linebackers and defensive ends and it came to a place that now everybody kind of has like those that's the prototype for an edge player i think we're starting to get closer and closer to a point where this nickel position is going to be a permanent starter position and we're looking for something between a safety linebacker cornerback is the the body type and the model that we're trying we're starting to look for and finding more and more of interesting um next question bob from boston writes oh bobby based on what you saw this nfl season was there a particular trend that you think could define the league for years to come it could be a personnel trend a style of play or anything that you think has gone undercover an example of this is sean mcveigh using 13 personnel yeah the 13 personnel stuff jumps out um that was by necessity and it became like an advantage for them i think it's very close to what the 49ers always have wanted to do which wasn't always 13 but like two backs in general and use the flexibility to create mismatches but i think yeah you're right that point that i was just making about this hybrid player works perfectly for that also where that feels like that's a trend that is was born with like the honey badger and it's like made its way and developed into like Kyle Hamilton is the perfect example of it Chrissy or Nicky Memori as an example of it for um the Seahawks but yeah this new kind of nickel position and also nickel becoming the new base I think we're moving in a direction where teams will try to just be a nickel all the time and they need these special players do it the other thing that i think about from a defense perspective is man coverage like it seems like and the funny thing is we don't have the terminology yet or the the uh motion tracking data hasn't caught up to the defenses that are being played just yet because i think we get some things called zone that are actually more like man and zone and i've just noticed more and more to seahawks again a perfect example of this is like they play kind of a zone but they latch on to route combinations and play man and i just think that no one's going to be able to get away this league it's gotten too precise and too accurate not going to be able to get away with playing a heavy dose of zone you're going to have to be able to throw man coverage in there because the quarterbacks are getting too accurate and too good and even if it's man in the zone like i see so much more of this like tight coverage as opposed to like just sitting getting to your landmark and Washington quarterbacks eyes and responding off of that is so much more eyes on the route combination and then latch on to the receiver and then look back which opens up running lanes for the quarterback there a whole bunch of other like knock effects but these quarterbacks are too accurate and arms are too good to like give them windows there's no look things become like a natural thing that quarterbacks do now as like not as a part of their game so i think that all changes so i got distracted i was googling i was wondering like what happens if Isaiah Simmons gets drafted in the NFL now oh yeah I was so excited about Isaiah yeah I thought it was gonna work out yeah yeah I mean crazy seeing where like number 27 whenever we see him I don't know I mean it's he's in NFL now and he's young enough now to still figure it out but I think that he was like so big though right like he was like 6'4 240 yeah and you're in sub 4'4 though right yeah I know I mean but the straight line speed is different than when you're that tall sometimes that change directions is pretty tough but i think they're looking for a particular type of athlete and as explosive as isaiah simmons was like i don't think that he fit that mold as much as we wanted him to but i think if he comes up now i think he obviously is trained to be that guy they're going to see you as this tweener guy yeah that new like the new modern nickel position where you're like more physical and a little bigger yeah um uh next one this is from jim from new orleans oh yeah two-part question here we're in some good football questions by the way these are great good job guys uh two-part question here based on your opinion that organizational stability is the most important factor for predicting success first question if we could build a time machine and bring you back to when you were 25 years old and ran a four three which organization would you want to play for second question if you're offered a president or GM job, which organization do you think would set you up most to succeed? And if they're different, what makes an organization better to work for versus play for? I guess you're working for them in both situations, but you get the point. Yeah. I mean, I think the question about play for is less about organizational stability because your careers are so short and more about the situation. Because I think my point about organizational stability is like over the long run you'll have a better shot but right now i would want to play for the rams that would be like a team that has a spot that they need help at corner and also has a d-line and an offense to give you just support like and living in la seems pretty awesome at 25 so yeah let's be honest i want to go to la 25 and play for the rams i mean you'd be the it'd be the biggest difference you could possibly make for their dbs i would come in and be a hero yeah it'd be great um and i don't know the Steelers jumped to mind as a place that feels like the stability is like the support you're gonna get um and this is like quarterback or team agnostic it's like the organization that you would feel most comfortable I think the the Ravens of course like both of those teams might be just because I'm familiar with it but I'm thinking I actually think San Francisco too like I thought that like the it was really rough for a while with Shanahan and that that administration at the beginning and we knew he was a really good coach in the way that they built it out and let lynch and shanahan like have their vision um yeah that's a good one i mean i think that it's hard because it has to be over such a long time as you can see that and not being on the inside of it there's only a few organizations that pop out to have that type of like long-term stability and track record that you want to be a part of but i think the 49ers fall into that category also which also might just be a result of them having a really good coach who has like nepotism it sucks sometimes but also helps to have uh to have your father be a great head coach in football also there's something to that too where it's like it's you know football's his own language yeah and you have all this fluency like kyle shannon's probably been watching nfl film and understanding scheme and tape since he was 14 years old um and so that part's that part's totally legitimate you have you have a massive advantage and like the nepotism it's so something like that's interesting And he's there a lot. Mike helps a lot. He's around. There's the Mike Silver book. They said that he watches practice tape and he's the one who pointed out Purdy being like, don't let him leave the building. If you cut him, you're not going to find another seventh rounder like that. That was like reported that Mike Shanahan was breaking that down and he immediately knew he was better than Trey Lance. But it's a fluency. And to me, I mean, some of the football nepotism is obviously insane when you hear like Brick Johnson using Madden ratings to make decisions. But when it's something like, oh, I had a massive advantage of learning scheme and fluency and understanding football and play calling is how you get there to be a precocious young coach. It's it's an advantage. We'd be dumb to say it's not an advantage. He's obviously really talented, too. But yeah. Oh, wow. We actually have a second time question. This one's from Bill from Maryland. OK. if you could take any of your teammates and you're taking them in their prime and transfer and transport them to the modern nfl in 2026 via a time machine who do you think would instantly be the most successful they only have the knowledge and training they had then okay so i think i'll list the guys who come to mind that people would know so like chant bailey ray lewis ed reed john lynch terrell suggs hello to nada these are all like hall of fame level players yeah caliber players that i played with i played with jerry rice too for one training camp um i gotta say that i think it's champ honestly because what you're asking is about like the it's not about who was the best it's about who's who's game then would translate better to the game today and I think it's it comes down to I mean I guess Suggs, Ed, and Champ all I think would be over Ray because Ray's a different type of linebacker and that's so you said Ray in his prime I didn't play with Ray in his prime but the thing is like he was so explosive so good the problem with Ray is linebackers aren't that size anymore yeah he may not play linebacker but I mean he wasn't even though he was really big he wasn't he wasn't slow yeah he was quick enough to do what the linebackers are doing now he just they would probably put he was like 260 they put him at defensive end he was a cube yeah he's a power cube yeah they would put him at defensive end now when he got drafted i think he was like 230 which is the crazy part let me find his his or maybe i mean that's fair like maybe six foot 230 six foot and a half 235 they put him in this age in this era he wouldn't get as big as he got then he got that big because 35 inch arm 34 and a half inch arms he's super long arms yeah he's he had super long arms he's super physical super talented and i think that in my brain i he does not remind me of a modern linebacker but i imagine that if he was in this time he would find a way like that's all yeah but we're transporting him so all i know is how to play linebacker that at that time i think i think you could put him at defensive end he'd still be effective but i i guess i would i would um in order just to rule somebody out i would rule him out because the game is so different now i would rule him out we're down there champ and sugs nada nada would be great sugs would be great it's i can't i would go with champ it's because i think champ was the best at his very at his prime i think he was better than anybody else at what they did do you think he's the best corner ever i do i like look at like the physical characteristics of it ridiculous man there's no one in the nfl now who has matching physical characteristics to champ bailey with size speed i mean they're 40 times but like that like it's unbelievable. Champ was running 4'2". He was like 6'0 and 190 and was the quickest. And I think the thing that was most special about him for me was watching that. We talk about this with athletes. It's like I'm a high-level athlete. So, like, you show me something, I can normally do it. But there are limits to that. There are things that Champ could do with his body that I couldn't do. Like I just was physically incapable of my brain would tell my feet to move this way. And the best way I described it to anyone is like it felt like he was like an octopus and that his each limb had a different brain and they operated independently. And that was the thing. Like, of course, explosive athleticism. But to be able to move your body, your lower body in sync with the receiver and your upper body do something different was it's impossible. Yes. It's just I saw a big Reddit debate recently about Darrell Rivas's peak season versus champs. I think champs was 2006. I can't remember which one Rivas's was 2010 or something. but it was basically um i just remember it was after that maybe until 2012 for revis i was the opposite corner of champ in that 2006 season and i just remember i think he got the ball thrown at him like 40 times that whole season and had eight interceptions it was something like that it might have been 80 times i don't know it was a ridiculous number of interceptions he had like eight or nine interceptions and was only targeted like a tiny amount of times it was absurd it's so interesting it feels like yeah you could drop him in any era of the nfl and it's like i see a half the field and he also did it for a really long time I mean like Rivas' peak was amazing he had obviously a first ballot Hall of Fame career but it felt like Champ was like the best corner in the NFL from like 1999 to 2008 he was which is like he was, no it was so impressive yeah Sertan is the closest to him that makes sense, Sertan is so like complete he's so big and strong there were a couple like which game was it in the post, it was the Bills game where was it the Bills game or was it their I don't know the Patriots where he's just running stride for stride guys and it was like he just ran with Matt Collins and it almost looked like he was laughing at him on that default yeah yeah yeah that's not fair easy work isn't a speed guy but he's just as big it seems like anyway what's next oh that was he looks so big so Tan looks so big Steve from San Francisco writes in um you've talked about being recruited as a wide receiver by purdue and drew breeze being your host on your official visit do you ever think about an alternate history of if you played offense and if you're making that decision now with the way football has evolved and speedy yak guys have become even more financially valuable would you make the same choice yeah i play db um of course i considered like what would happen if i play a receiver and like would things be different But I don know Like things worked out pretty good I think the thing about defense is like you control the level of physicality most of the time except for when you get blindsided by Eddie Royal and cough up blood. Otherwise, you control the amount of physicality being a receiver, especially a smaller one, which is what I would have been like. It's it's a different type of game. So, like, I assume that, like, the speed would have been fine. I would have gotten better at tracking the ball and catching from – like, I assume I would have played professionally. I could be wrong, but, like, it's hard to argue. Like, cornerback is a much more difficult position to play than any other, which means that if you're capable of playing it, you're probably in a better position at most. So, like, I think no matter what, I would have made the decision. Because that was the impetus for the decision I made was, like, I think I could start at corner as a rookie – I mean, as a freshman. So I'm going to go play corner. You would have gotten so many yards your freshman year with Drew Brees last year and played in the River Bowl. That would have been fun. All right. Blake from Michigan writes in, last year around this time, there was so much talk about Travis Hunter. He had just won the Heisman. Shohei Otani had just won the MVP. And we had questions of if it was possible to be a two-way player in the NFL. Well, a year later, and nothing really went to plan for Travis Hunter. Do you think that we'll ever see another player try to play both ways in the NFL? and what advice would you give Travis Hunter heading into a second season? Of course, I think we'll get someone who tries it again. I don't know when. It won't be very soon. I assume that the person who tries it is going to do it the traditional way, where it's like you major in one thing and minor in something else. I don't know if we'll get someone who tries to major in both the way that Travis Hunter has tried. That won't be anytime soon because Travis Hunter failed at it and no one else will want to try for a long time until we forget about that. the question for like what he should do next is like, I think it's decisions already made for him. I think they're going to lock them in that corner. Yeah. And maybe they'll put in some plays for him. Maybe not. Cause that offense is fine without them. So like it, it means that what they traded to get them when they were arguing, they got two players. So it was worth it. That trade kind of looks silly now, but it doesn't matter if they turned out to be successful and have another good season. You know, it's crazy as Parker Washington kind of plays offense the way I thought travis hunter right in the nfl yep so they got him they got him right there you're right and the um that's the thing and that was the hardest part i was a believer in travis hunter but the hardest part of that whole conversation was what we were saying was either the reason why it hasn't happened before was because other coaches are too dumb and scared or travis hunter is the best athlete ever to enter the league yeah and the second one i wasn't willing to accept yeah but the first one kept pitching that to you being like what if he's just the best athlete that's hard for me like we just talked about champ like you played against randy moss yeah like yeah also yeah i played against randy boss like he's ready yeah he's not the best athlete that nfl's ever seen he's a supreme athlete but i was willing to accept that maybe coaches are too like stubborn and conservative but also football's really hard so i'm happy for him all right i got one for you all right all right this question is from dominique in dc um does it break your heart that no one refers to you as a vanilla snack anymore um a little bit that was the beginning it was like a commenter like called you the vanilla snack yeah because before people only saw your hand from highly questionable not highly questionable from debatable and then when we introduced you people were like hey he's cute now no one thinks you're cute gotta get back in the gym gotta start working on it get my teeth whitened uh you know now i'm just that guy who sits next to dominique so yeah hand up accountability gotta get back on thanks for the question dominique that was nice i thought that you were gonna um blame them but you take responsibility we're an accountability show oh yeah i know i thought so you're no longer snaggable i thought you were just gonna say that they got bored of it or something but no it's on you in the gym you gotta get in the gym shave the beard Yeah, well, that's definitely before this. We're moving very busy. I got swole this weekend just lifting ice out of my driveway. Dude. It went from shoveling to just cutting ice into big cubes. That's what I was doing, too. Then lifted it up and walking it out into another part of the yard. It was ridiculous. My neighbor got a bunch of metal shovels from his in-laws who live in Virginia. And D.C. has been, obviously, a disaster with it. I texted you. I'll just tell you. It's the worst thing ever. I texted you, call me Balto because I'm a dog with this ice. I appreciate it. I appreciate your rapper lines while I'm listening to J. Cole's latest EP. You fit right in. Are you hip to some sled dog history? No. Balto? Uh-huh. A tiny bit overrated. He was a little bit of a goal line vulture. I don't know anything about sled dogs. So obviously they made the Disney movie about Balto and he ran the last, he, well, he led, they had their, the, uh, the last like 60 miles of the valor, but Togo did the, of the 672 mile journey was the lead mush dog for the 260 most dangerous miles to deliver the medicine to save this village. And like, you know, Togo didn't get memorialized with the movie and obviously he's famous and he's a great dog, but, but no, no shade to Balto, like the goal line back, but like it's not a workhorse he's out here vulturing and like togo did did all the work to get us there we're we're a togo show now yeah pro togo anyway um all right thank you there's one more one more oh there's one more one more sorry last one dip from detroit you guys love talking about guys who could play a bunch of sports who's at the top of your list who you could see playing and being dominant in a different sport than what they're professional at now oh this is definitely a charlie topic i know that this is we remember we used to make fun of you how you have lists on your phone for everything this sounds like something you have a list for but i think about the outliers so aaron judge comes to mind because he's so huge like offensive tackle yeah just book him up yeah book him up let him play off that's my decision i mean i feel like that's my argument for everybody who's big and athletic if you're really tall i mean aaron judge i don't know baseball he can catch so yeah he's got great he's got way more hand-eye coordination than any alignment yeah he gets 60 binks in a season that's fine yeah that's right i take it back he could play receiver yeah never mind tight end i think he was a good tight end recruit of course he was how could he not be a lot of baseball a lot of baseball players get drafted or bigger like justin upton is a huge football recruit um i have a couple i know you do uh kyrie irving i think could be incredible at pretty much anything because the hand-eye coordination mixed with the movement i know he's not as explosive as like a derrick rose or russell westbrook you could see those guys playing wide receiver yeah like kyrie irving i think if he dedicated his life to it could have been like as technical as like Ronaldinho at the soccer ball all right that's crazy talk but I think he could be a good soccer player um yeah I know I know at some point we're gonna get to your man yeah Carlos Outgrass who just completed the career grand slam I'm not sure if right now he couldn't be a number one corner in the NFL I can't disagree with you like when I watch him play man the athleticism explosiveness is incredible and it's like he's six feet tall. He's clearly not bulked for, but he's so bendy and explosive and the change of direction. It's like he is, uh, you know, Riley Moss. You're lucky that Carlos Alcrest picked up a tennis racket and was born in Spain or, or he'd be Dominique's guy. All right. Here's the question. Here's the variation of that question. If you did not know the sport, you had to choose a random athlete from any sport to participate in a mystery sport which league would you go to does that make sense yeah so like the sport could be baseball the sport could be basketball sport could be football we're not telling you what it is but you and you're not going to tell you which athlete you get but you just have to allow us to choose a random player from any sport to represent you and play this sport so we got basketball football baseball soccer tennis hockey golf golf track and field track yeah try to see the thing with track athletes is they're like you're not getting i've seen track athletes try to play basketball and like i'm sure some of them can but by and large most of track athletes are like a worse version of football athletes not worse but a more extreme version of football athletes where it's just like raw explosiveness but you throw a ball at them and they like i think well uh except for tyree kill yeah obviously i think i think i'm taking basketball yeah and i think tennis is number two actually really yes random so like i'm this doesn't mean it's gonna get the top guys yeah it's just because they're all so big now they can run for four and a half to five hours and they're huge and we know and they got the hand eye you know they have elite hand eye coordination So if you're taking a random guy, there's only 100 professional, really true professional time splits. I know there's 2,000 players in the rankings. Top 100 makes their draw. Basketball is obvious because it's like they're all big as s***. And they all are so – They're so athletic. The combination of basketball players, hand-eye coordination and their size is like I would feel more confident like that they could – Oh, yeah. Yeah. if you get a shooting guard or a point guard like they could all play a bunch of sports yeah it's weird once you get to like 6'9 6'10 range or it's like your your stuff is like weird but um those like anyone who's no love for soccer like those guys the problem with soccer guys is they're all regular size it's also like they have the biggest talent pool yeah and so like therefore you'd think to pick from them because it's like all right the best athletes in the biggest talent pool are now the best but it doesn't prioritize like the physical outliers that these other sports do It's also just like sometimes you see soccer players throw a football and you're like, oh, this is gross. That's all Europeans throwing stuff. Yeah, they don't throw stuff. God bless America. All right, we're done, Charlie. Appreciate you. Shout out to Togo, our favorite dog. Thank you, Charlie. Thanks to all the great producers. Paulville, I love you. We out. This is the Dominique Foxworth Show. Bye.