Out of The Darkness: Adele Vrey journey from Satanism to Jesus | The Jesus People Podcast Episode 60

As a 19-year-old Satanist, I received an assignment to kill a prominent prophet in South Africa. His name is Mark Bredenkamp. And at a certain stage, he had a couple of witches living with him in his house, where he would minister to them and take them through deliverance. And the reason why I was given the assignment to assassinate him was because he was such a threat to the kingdom of darkness. Guys, welcome to the Jesus People podcast. We've got the honor of having Adele Vray on the podcast today, who is partners with Rion, who you guys might know. Rian Suihilar, who has been on our podcast shoot, man, like I think three or four times now. And every podcast has gone viral and people will write and they'll email and they'll comment and say, I'm not scared anymore. I understand my authority in Christ now. And Adele, you are the person who has been in ministry with Rian. And it's really, you know, a lot of people credit you with his a lot. We know that that's the Holy Spirit. But what an honor, what an honor to get to meet you as well. And it's long overdue. And so thanks for coming on the pod today. Yes, it's such a privilege to be here. And Rian usually say that we should take Jesus to the streets and to the front of the newspapers. And that's exactly what we're doing. Amen. Amen. Yes, this is it. Well, I'm very curious because you've got a bit of a different story than Rian. It sounds like you grew up in generational Satanism and then you met Jesus. I just want to share with the viewers here, we are going to be touching some dark topics, some dark stories. However, I think that it's important that you listen because the fruit of understanding some of these dark things is we understand our victory in Christ. We understand our authority in Christ. And I think that's been the biggest takeaway from my time with Rion. You know, Rion's now a buddy of mine where I get to chat with him. I was just talking to him on the phone yesterday. And that is the thing that he hammers is, guys, we've already won. The victory is secure. We have authority in Jesus and so many believers aren't taking up authority. And so when you hear Adele sharing some of these stories, I want you to listen, not with a thought that, you know, we've got this boogeyman Satan out there that can attack us and can harm us. We are covered by the blood of Jesus. As Rion said, nothing sticks to the oil. So I would encourage you guys to listen with that lens today with the lens that, you know, this might be stuff on the surface, but it's like when you know the ending of the movie, man, when you know the ending and it's, it's like, it's all redemptive. It's all good. They, we have nothing to fear. You know, fear can go to hell. Like that's, that's the place we're in right now. So I just wanted to start with that. But Adele, you are a wealth of wisdom. You are a wealth of experiences. What I don't know is I don't know your upbringing. I don't know your backstory. So I have heard that you were in generational Satanism. So your parents, grandparents, is that true? Yeah, it's a little bit more complicated than that. I had certain family members that was involved in Satanism. And I actually had a lot of confirmation over the years with regards to other family members confirming exactly what my experiences were. But it wasn't my mom and my dad directly, but it was very closely related to me. And I grew up with a lot of confusion because my father was a firm believer that we should go to church every Sunday. And then these other family members were involved in these other things. Having said that, my father didn't really have a close relationship with Jesus. I think it was more a traditional or a religious thing. Attending church, going through the motions maybe once a week, just ticking off the box. But yes, it was very close family members. And it was very confusing being, you know, growing up in the trauma and the rituals that we had to go through in Satanism. And I also got a very good understanding of the Bible as I grew up. And that's actually something that a lot of people do not know. And that's that people growing up in Satanism usually have an understanding of the Bible because the enemy often wants to use the word against us. And we also see that in general today in Christianity, how the enemy knows the Bible very well. I mean, he was there when it was written. And the Bible has become a weapon, not necessarily something that brings unity and togetherness. But, yes, I grew up like that. Adele, when you're saying your dad would make you go to church every day, are you talking about the satanic church? No, no, no, no. My dad wasn't a satanist, as I said before. My mom and my dad wasn't satanist, but close family members were. So my father went to the Christian church on a Sunday. Wow. Wow, okay. So you're dragged between these two worlds. That is correct. Yes. And I was so invested in that. And I had more spiritual experiences with the dark side than on God's side because I didn't have a living relationship with God. And I didn't have someone that could maybe show me what Jesus was really about. So that was my experience. I had to, or I've experienced astral projection even from the age of, well, I would say four years old. As early as I can remember, I would do astral projection. And not only experience, that's not just that, but also moving out of my physical body with my spirit into the spiritual realm. Whoa. and attend rituals not just in the flesh, but also in the spirit. Because the spiritual realm is way more real. If you think that the natural and the physical world is real, the spiritual world is very real. And we often talk about ritual abuse. Yes, that is correct. And ritual abuse is actually very – It happens all around us. You can hear a lot of testimonies from people who have experienced ritual abuse. Okay, so ritual abuse. What exactly does ritual abuse look like? So ritual abuse is all about controlling other people, either by means of indoctrination that goes with pain. So it's like getting someone to behave and exercise a lot of control and pain over them. So it's the infliction of torture and pain either by means of direct torture or pain, like abusing someone physically, emotionally, or spiritually directly, or having them experience secondary trauma by being in the presence where other people are being tortured or threatened or even killed. Huh. Did you experience this growing up? I've experienced a lot of that growing up. And it was really by the grace of God that I did not turn out to be some kind of a psychopath or a serial killer. I think of my life, you know, I think back on my life and I look back and I see all the times that God really intervened, even when I was not even his daughter, even when I wasn't saved. And so there's a lot of grace that I can really – I can thank the grace of God that I did not end up that way, but it could have easily happened to me. Wow, wow, wow. Okay, so was this – what did this look like? Was this like going to, I don't know, satanic rituals and watching these things happen, being forced to do them yourself? I think a lot of people, you know, they've heard the Epstein files that have come out and a lot of forcing children to do horrific things. Was this kind of what you experienced as well? Yes. When we give out training and when we teach people about this, we tend to leave out the very gory details because we don't want anyone to become better Satanist, you know, by the information that we give them. But the type of rituals were like baptism rituals. And when we say baptism, it's not necessarily clean water. It can be filthy water. It can be blood. We talk about R-rated events, either one-on-one or in a group setting. And when we give training like this, we always tell people that Rian was on the other side of the coin. I was the victim. Most often I was the victim. But he was the perpetrator. And when I look at the Epstein files, for example, there's a lot of other information out there that is kind of the same. It's just this is front news and people are very interested, maybe because of the type of people that's involved in this. But this is not new to us. We have a lot of information with regards to the South African Satanic Church and the Satanic Church worldwide with prominent people. And, you know, the list of names and people in high positions in the entertainment industry, in the political industry. But we also are aware of the fact that one day God might want to save them and intervene and draw them closer to God. And we have to be very wise when we talk about these situations and the people who are involved. So you know names of people in Hollywood, high places of power politically that are active Satanists that are doing things like we're done, that we're seeing in the Epstein files. And you're saying, hey, we could come out with this right now and we could shock you with some of the names of high ranking Satanists. But we don't want to do that because we think they might get saved one day. Is that what I'm hearing? You are absolutely right. But there's a big but to this. If I know of someone that's actively abusing someone right now, I have a mandate as a mandated reporter to report it. Yes. But if I'm looking at something that might have happened 10 years ago or 20 years ago or 30 years ago, and I have a name and I have a picture, but I don't necessarily have any other information that we can really affirm all the details exactly, then we're not just going to go to the media outlet. So we have to pray for wisdom and use wisdom whenever we are exposing people because we don't know what will happen. You know, one thing can lead to another. And in all cases, there are other victims that weren't necessarily directly involved, but could get hurt along the way. Yeah. No, I want to double click on this for a minute. So I want to get back to your story. But what I'm hearing you say is the Epstein files is nothing new to you guys. You've seen this stuff happening. You've known it's been happening. This is open Satanism. Would you say that a lot of these perpetrators in the Epstein files are actually following Satanism actively, and that's what led them to do these things? I definitely think so, but not Satanism in the sense of they are possibly worshipping a deity, even though that is actually what they do. But in their own minds, they believe that they are just indulging, they are worshipping themselves. because Satanism really has two sides with regards to theistic Satanism, atheistic Satanism, where the one would be worshipping a deity but the other one just worshipping oneself. And whether it's one or the other, it is Satanism anyway. And obviously we are not created to hate, to kill, to sexually abuse. And if we do that, that is not part of God's character. So there must be evil. It must be demonic. And as we always say, that you don't have to be a Satanist to worship Satan. You only do not have to worship God. That is the criteria for being a Satanist or to worship Satan. Yeah, I've heard it said, tell me if this is true, that Satan doesn't necessarily want you to worship him. He wants you to worship you. That at the core of Satanism is self. Would you agree with that? That's absolutely true. Satan doesn't just want to be worshipped. He wants you not to worship God. Because if the worship is taken away from God, it's going towards something else. And where our heart is, our worship will be. So if we are focused to the internal, that is what we will worship. If our focus is on money, that is what we will worship. Or if it's possessions, we will worship possessions. Or if it's power. And quite often when we look at the Epstein files, we see a power play, not necessarily – it's not about the sexual abuse. It's about the power and the manipulating of people. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's so interesting because everyone I've talked to in the New Age, they'll say things like, Satanism gives you power. New Age gives you power. You have access to understand things in the spirit realm where you're illegally accessing the spirit realm. And you can see things about a person's past. You can understand what happened to them when you're 10 years old because demons monitoring spirits will let you know what happened to them when they were 10 years old. However, then they're going to twist it a little bit. They're going to tell you good things about that person, but then that demon is going to tell you to tell them that they need to go see a psychic or they need to go to this ritual or they need to do this thing or they need to stay away from their parents. So Ella Ringrose was on. She talks about it. I think she called it like nine truths and a lie Like these demons will tell you nine truths but then there be one lie And what so interesting is like is that not Hollywood Is that not like every love story or kids movie in Hollywood right now where there some good stuff You know, it's like Paw Patrol or Blue's Clues. It's like, oh, well, Blue was – he was really courageous there or Paw Patrol was really courageous. But then we're going to throw in the trans character. It's like nine truths and a lie. And so it makes a lot of sense what you're saying now, how Satanism has infiltrated Hollywood and Satanism is all over the Epstein files. And just because they might not come out and say we were actively worshiping the deity of Satan or Baphomet or whatever, they're still Satanists at their core. That is correct because they are so far removed from God. And in the spiritual realm, there's only two sides. There's God's side, which is Father, Son, Holy Spirit. It's like life, freedom, love, everything surrounding the glory of God. And anything else that's outside of that, it's part of Satan's kingdom. I mean, anything outside of that. You can put any label on it. You can anything, any religion, any theology, any belief system, But anything outside of the foundation of God, I don't want to say Christianity because I also think that sometimes there's a lot of Christian labels that's really not linked to Jesus at all. So anything outside of God's kingdom, God's glory, God's truth, which sets us free, that is part of Satan's kingdom. Wow. Wow. No, again, I keep saying this. We got to get back to your story soon, but I'm so fascinated because it seems like there's so much going on in the world right now. It seems like so much darkness is being exposed right now. What is happening in the spirit realm, in your opinion? Like what are you seeing? Like the exposure that's happening right now, like I assume it's the Lord separating the wheat from the weeds, but what are you seeing? I see that we are currently in a war And we have to trust that God is bringing certain things to the surface So that the works of the darkness can be exposed If we look at scripture, we see that God will make a public spectacle of the works of the enemy It's as if he's bringing it to the surface so that the whole world can see what is actually happening The blood of Jesus will not cover that which should be uncovered. You cannot pray that your sin or things that you have done in darkness will be covered by the blood of Jesus. The blood of Jesus will expose that. And even though people believe that this world belongs to the devil, God has a very direct and a very powerful plan for this planet, for this world, for the body of Christ to be put strategically in place to pray for people who have been involved in darkness so that the works of the enemy can be exposed and he can put it in public display. Wow. Yeah, you hear people say that a lot. I've said that a lot, and the Bible says it, that Satan is the ruler of this world. However, he's on a leash. What does that mean? It means that God is not surprised. God is not caught off guard when it comes to anything. He knows exactly why, when, and how, and he will intervene at the right time. Because believe this or not, God has a plan for every person on this earth. He knew us even before the foundation of the earth. And even though people make very bad decisions, Jesus still died for them. So where the enemy thought that he has won, I'm thinking of Joseph and his brothers who threw him in a pit and they sold him into slavery. where the ultimate, the end of the prophecy, the end of the story is where his brothers bowed down to him. And that's actually, that was the start of it all. The end of it all was the start of it all. So God had a very specific master plan. So the enemy thinks that he has won, but ultimately he has not because we've read the book and we know that we have the victory. And Ryan, one of the mistakes that we often make is even as Christians, we talk about God and the devil as if they are the same thing or as if they are on the same level. And I just want to take some time to explain this. God and the devil are not on the same level. God is the creator and the devil is a creation like all other things. And God, as the creator, has created the devil and the devil fell. So when God created the devil, he was on the same level as Michael and Gabriel. So he wasn't even on the same level as God. But he's not even on that level anymore because he fell even further. He's not even on our level. He is below our feet, according to the word of God. And if we continue to put him on the same level as we place God, we will be in for a fight of our lives because now we are constantly talking about we are being attacked by the devil. We are being attacked by the devil. Well, it's because your focus is on empowering the devil and putting him on the same level as God. He should be beneath your feet. Amen. Amen. Let's go. Yeah. And I think there's a lot of people right now, I've seen a lot of videos on social media of people being like, well, we just found out that the world is run by satanic pedophiles. What do we do about it? What would you say to those people? I would say that this world is probably in this mess because Christians did not take up their full authority in Jesus Christ. You see, if I go to church, let's say on a Sunday evening, just for argument's sake, I know there's a lot of churches who don't have evening services anymore. But if I go to church and I go into my community and I see that people are actually living scriptures, like healing the sick, raising the dead, cleansing the lepers, and casting out demons, as the word commands us to do. If my children sees it at church and in our communities that I am a living example of Jesus Christ, no one will be able to recruit them on a Monday morning to get involved in the occult or Satanism. So a lot of the situation or the position that this world is in is because Christians, and I'm not blaming, I'm not trying to stone anyone or to criticize, but not taking up their authority in Jesus Christ. And we should take up our authority in Jesus Christ because that is what we are called for. And, you know, even though the blood of Jesus is free, it's not cheap. The price that Jesus paid for our salvation was very, very high. And we have to begin to live that and, you know, live the scriptures. If we wake up and we realize that this world has been, you know, ruled by pedophile rings and whatever, we can still change it. We can still impact this world because God didn't give us a voice for us to be silent. He gave us a voice so that we can speak up and change the atmosphere. Amen. Amen. So what does that look like for, let's say, a mom? A mom is like, how do I take up my authority? I'm wiping poopy butts all day. I'm making sandwiches. I'm cleaning up dinner. What does that practically look like to say, I am taking authority that Jesus has given me? So part of it is that your house is your kingdom. Without taking it back from God and saying, well, it's God's kingdom, but I'm going to rule it. But because my house is my kingdom, I will allow God to rule in this kingdom. My house is his kingdom because I'm his daughter. But the moment when we compromise sin with righteousness and sin with holiness, we are compromising with the devil. So as a mother, we have to make sure that we rule our homes according to God's righteousness and God's kingdom rules, which means that we have to change the atmosphere there. Something simple like worshiping God through worship music. Now, I don't want to give all the power to worship music because when Jesus was in the desert, he did not defeat the devil with a worship song. He defeated the devil with scripture. It is our responsibility to get to know the word. And whenever the enemy is coming against us with something, we must know the difference between truth and fact. Now, it is a fact that I might not have a lot of money in my bank account, but the truth is that God is my provider. So whatever we see in the natural, we have to counteract or counterattack that with truth, which is in the word of God. Is God my provider? Yes. Is he the one that's going to give me wisdom and guide me when it comes to raising my kids? Yes. And I will not compromise because very often we compromise with the devil because we don't want to go through the effort and putting the energy of, you know, we get tired when it comes to kids, right? I mean, being a mom, I know how it feels. So instead of just giving a tablet or a computer or something to you or cell phone to the kids just to keep them busy, be responsible. You have a mandate as a parent. We cannot fix the issues that we have created and then blame it on the devil and then think that we will be able to fix it within five minutes or with one prayer. It took a lot of time to mess up our kids, and we have to put in the effort to get them back to restoration if they are still young enough to have that impact. Amen. We're going through it right now, to be honest with you. It's like, golly, we kept giving the kids the iPads and the show after school, and we just noticed a pattern like, wow, they melt down every time they watch a show. And they're not watching garbage, but every time they look at this screen and they get a dopamine hit, and then afterwards they melt down. I'm like, I don't think this is the kingdom. I don't think this is what the Lord's best is for my children, so we had to fix it. Talk to me a little bit before we get back. You are a mother. Talk to me about how you go to war in your prayers for your kids. Mostly with scripture. I take scriptures that the Lord is giving me and I stand on those promises. Because a scripture is not just a scripture. Every Bible verse that I know is like a bullet in my spiritual gun. So if I only know Psalm 23, that is the only bullet I'm going to use in my warfare or in my prayers. I always pray that God's perfect will will be executed in my children's lives and not just their own will or even my will, because it's easy to pray my will, right? But God's perfect will for their lives. And then I stand on those promises. But I'm also a firm believer that parents, especially as our children grow older, acknowledge the mistakes that you have made. Ask for forgiveness. I mean, I've made some terrible parenting mistakes. I can just as well be the leader of the bad parent club, right? But acknowledge your mistakes and then surrender to God and submit and then become a minister unto your children. The same way that God is ministering to us. And Jesus is our brother. We are heirs with the father and co-heirs with the son. And he's ministering to us. But we should also minister to our children in a kind way. A lot of people going into the occult are going there because they've experienced church hurt or they've been hurt because they had parents who were in ministry. And because they were expected to be absolutely perfect and never make a mistake, They were so broken because it's as if the ministry children were more important than them. And that absolutely broke them. And we have to bring restoration to our children even as they grow older and minister unto them as adults. Many of you guys know I just got back from Nigeria where I was visiting with the persecuted church in the north. People who had fled their homes, who had been burned, who had been shot in the face, who had been displaced. and I saw things that have changed me forever. I witnessed faith, a Christianity that I had never seen before. And my faith was rocked. And so what I did is I put together a documentary and we're hosting the International Night of Prayer for the Persecuted Church this February 25th. My ask of you guys is this. There's a link in the description or in the show notes. I would ask you, would you gather your people, whether it's your spouse, your small group, your friends, your church, for this night on February 25th, where we're gonna come together, we're gonna pray, we're gonna meet some practical needs, and then we're gonna discuss what is this faith that we're seeing here? And how can we implement this in our own lives? So would you watch, pray, gather, and discuss this February 25th? It would mean a lot for me. If you could click that link, we will send you everything you need to know. We'll send you instructions, we'll send you PDF guides, we'll send you the link to the video. It would mean so, so much for me, guys, if you could join us in prayer this February 25th. That's good. Okay, so you had this childhood where you're back and forth between your dad, who was a Christian, taking you to church, other family members who were in Satanism, and you're seeing power on display in Satanism because access to that power is a lot quicker. It's, you know, microwave power where if you want to be able to astral project, if you want to be able to do whatever in the in the spiritual realm, quick access through Satanism. Take me back to that little girl who was experiencing. That sounds really confusing to me. And then kind of walk me through a bit more of your testimony. Like, how did you come to know Jesus? Ryan, I wet my bed until the age of 13, 14 because of the trauma that I've experienced. I never felt safe when it comes to sleeping in my own bed It was as if where other children might feel that they can escape daily trauma By going to bed at night I couldn do that because during the day there was a lot of abuse taking place Even as a dad who thought he tried to do something you know trying to do the right thing He was an alcoholic and he came out of a very strict military background So there was a lot of abuse there and then a lot of other stuff that happened in terms of sexual abuse. But at night, sorry, I also want to say that during the day, also with the satanic stuff, but at night I couldn't go to bed and think that I'm going to rest or sleep because at night I would do astral projection. So it was like a vicious never-ending cycle. I could never escape or feel peace or even feel safe. I only started to feel safe as an adult really where I knew that I could sleep comfortably and safely in my own bed as a Christian knowing that God is protecting me and that I don't have to perform in the spiritual realm. But it was very challenging, and I had to deal with a lot of trauma. And even as a Christian then at a later stage, forgive all the people that has hurt me. So it was very confusing. It was very traumatic. But in a certain sense, and I know that the Epstein files happened on a larger scale, and what I'm going to talk about now happened on a smaller scale. But the group of people that I was involved in were so used to abusing children that when I grew older, I wasn't good enough anymore. And I had to recruit younger girls because that was what they wanted. And to grow up knowing that you weren't only the victim, but you also turned into a perpetrator. That was hard for me to know that the people that I despised, I became like one of them. Yeah. And knowing that God has forgiveness for me too. It was hard to forgive myself. Wow. So this looked like recruiting young girls to go be a part of these rituals. That's correct. Wow. And I've tried to get a hold of all of them to ask their forgiveness, and I couldn't necessarily find them. And the things that I'm telling you now happened like more than 30 years ago because I've been saved for 31 years. So it's a very long time ago. This was before social media. I don't even know whether there's footage of this anymore. This was before the Internet. This was before the – yeah, that was before the Internet. Wow. And just to go back on one thing you said, you said that you had trouble sleeping because you were astral projecting. What does that look like? I'm always trying to give as much teaching on the spiritual realm and astral projection in our courses but I always perceive the spiritual realm as a place that's cold it's never just a medium atmosphere or temperature I experience it as cold And then there's a lot of movement in the spiritual realm, either by angels, demons, or people doing astral projection, moving into the realms. And there's nothing like… So this is like an involuntary. You could not help it. You were like in your sleep going into the spirit realm because of this satanic abuse or why? Like why was that happening to you? There's a couple of reasons why someone would be able to do that. Either they are doing it on purpose, like they are used to doing astral projection because they were raised in their cult and they were trained to do astral projection. Other people are doing it like it's like an automatic response. Like they have never practiced. They've never, no one taught them how to do it. It's just an automatic response. It's as if there's a calling the spirit calling them out, someone calling them in the spiritual realm. And I fell into that category. But there's also people that are doing astral projection, and they don't even know that they're doing astral projection. Some of them believe that they're dreaming. But there's no one or nothing like dead human spirits in the astral planes. Because when you are dead, you are dead. then you're either going to heaven or you're going to hell. But my dead grandmother can't be in the astral planes or in the spiritual realm because that's a demonic power mimicking my grandmother. So we don't believe in ghosts or dead human spirits. So the astral planes are filled with people moving out of their bodies onto the planes or into the spiritual realm or angels or demons. Wow. To do what? Like, what do you do? So the astral planes, like the only thing I can think of is like, I don't know, like I think of like an ozone layer or something where you like pop the ozone layer. And now you're in like this new level. Is that what it's like? And then what are what are people doing up there? Like, obviously, you didn't want to be there. So did someone summon you up there? Did was the abuse forcing you up there? Like what was happening? Some people are being abused in there, but people can do rituals in the spiritual realm. They can go to different places. Like I can, not that I will, but I mean a person, I can go to America or I can go to, but that's not within God's will. There's not a Christian astral projection where you can just go wherever you want. I just want to clarify that. But it's in the occult world and outside of the covering of God's protection and the blood of Jesus. So it happens outside of that. So it's actually open season. People can do really whatever they want. They can have satanic rituals. They can build astral temples. Well, actually, the possibility is endless. And there's a lot of places in the spiritual realm that these people can go to, like lakes and torture chambers. And, yeah, well, this is like deep stuff. I don't normally talk about this. No, no. I mean, I'm fascinated. I think it's just – it, like, makes me realize the spirit realm is so much more real than I think I've realized and a lot of people realize. But I'm having a hard time, like, visualizing it, like, conceptually. And maybe you don't want to give visuals to it, but I heard you say it was cold. It was dark. It obviously doesn't feel good, like you're illegally accessing something. So does it almost feel like you're like trespassing into something? Like is there anything more you can give without kind of going too far? There's a lot of realities in the astral planes. There's things that we call gatekeepers, like opening the gates for access or coming in and going out. Dogs, hounds of hell. We are talking about spiritual creatures that you would probably only see in movies. And by the way, a lot of movies depicting these things were either written or directed by people who have experienced the spiritual realm before. because I've seen some really realistic things in movies or, you know, series or whatever, Hollywood movies. I've seen a lot of real things. Wow. Dang, that sounds frightening, especially when you don't want it, you know, and you're going there like every night. So how did you get out of that? How did you get out of the abuse? How'd you get out of that horrible sleep life? When did you meet Jesus? Take me through all that. So as a 19-year-old Satanist, I received an assignment to kill a prominent prophet in South Africa. His name is Mohawk Bredenkamp. And at a certain stage, he had a couple of witches living with him in his house where He would minister to them and take them through deliverance. And the reason why I was given the assignment to assassinate him was because he was such a threat to the kingdom of darkness. He was bold and fearless and courageous. He would like walk into the most dark places that you can think of. And he would minister to gang leaders and drug lords. And by the way, I believe that God has to raise up an entire generation to minister to prostitutes and drug lords and people from the underworld. But he used to do these things. And I wasn't the first person who was sent to assassinate him. And I wasn't the last person. But I went to a church where he was ministering. And I took my dagger to church that night in my handbag with the idea that while he was preaching or ministering, that I would just, you know, get up from my chair or from my seat, walk to the front, take out the dagger and stab him, you know, bring his blood sacrifice and actually just rendering powerless so that he couldn't continue with the work that he was doing. And as I was sitting in church that night, I got up and as I walked towards him, it was like as if I walked into an invisible wall and I couldn't get to him. This was like one or two meters or, you know, I don't know, five or six feet away from him. And I just walked out of church immediately. Afterwards, I realized that and the Holy Spirit revealed to me that it was because of the prayers of the righteous that I couldn't get to him. And as I walked out of the church, I had a meeting with the powers in the air, and they said that I should kidnap or that I should kill his son instead. And at that stage, his son, his name was Seth or Eseth, and he was nine years old. And as I got the assignment, this boy came walking out of the church. I didn't even know what he looked like. And I walked towards this boy, and I asked him to come with me. And without questioning me or anything, he obeyed me. He walked with me. I didn't grab him or hold on to him. I just, you know, asked him to come with me. And he was disobedient that night. And, you know, some people ask me, but why did God protect the father but not the child? But I'm going to tell the rest of the story, and I can just see God's hand of protection over this child. and his father even warned him that if anyone ever wants you to come with them, don't do it because, you know, the satanic church really wants to kill us and take us out. And that night he followed my command when I asked him to come with me. But the moment when I took him, the Holy Spirit said to the father, Satan has just took your child and I don't want you to go and look for your child. I want you to be obedient to what I've called you to do, and that is to bring the word of God. And I want you to trust me with your child. And I can tell the story because afterwards, after everything, we had a conversation and, you know, information was shared. So I'm not just making this up. It's something that I've learned afterwards. But I took this boy to a small room and I locked us in a room and I wanted to slit his throat. I wanted to hurt him and I couldn't hurt him. I didn't, I'm sure I traumatized him. I'm absolutely sure of that. But I couldn't, I didn't even bruise him. I didn't do, I couldn't do anything to him because for four and a half hours, he was standing in front of me and he was repeating the armor of God. Like, and that is the reason why I know the armor of God so well. He was just like saying the helmet of salvation, the breastplate of righteousness, the shield of faith, the sword of the spirit, the belt of truth, you know, and the shields of willingness to spread the gospel. And he would repeat, I don't know if I missed something now, but he would repeat that from top to bottom for four and a half hours. So he kind of drove me crazy. So eventually, there's a lot of gaps in this testimony because I can't remember everything, partially because of the trauma that I've experienced as a child, but also partially because of the demonic possession that I experienced at that stage. But long story short, his father found us through other people as well. People were praying. And I could hear his father at the outside of the room saying, what does she want? And someone said to him, she wants to negotiate. And the father said, God does not negotiate with the devil. And this laid the foundation of my own salvation and my own faith and the faith that I have today. because that father was in a position where he could have negotiated, you know, like, okay, give me my child and you can have me. But that's not what he said. He said, God does not negotiate with the devil. And the next moment, like, he came, like, flying over a wall. Not really flying, but that was my perception at the time. And he ended up in the room. He climbed over the wall. He ended up in the room with us. He sent his son out and he took the dagger from me and he threw it against the wall and he stood in front of me. He pointed his finger at me and he said to me, how dare you come against the child of a servant of God? And I was so confronted by the full power of God at that stage because every power demon, every guiding spirit, every voice, every entity that I was sold out to. I mean, I promised the devil that he could have my children one day when I have kids. I have made blood covenants. I have given my life. I laid everything down for the devil. And at that moment when I was confronted by a man being possessed by God, and he looked at me and he said, how dare you? I could feel the wrath of God coming against me like full force. I remember afterwards that I told people that he gave me a slap, like it was a spiritual force that came against me. He didn touch me by the way but it felt like it And the next moment like I talking about three five seven seconds after I experienced the full force of God coming against me this man took a step towards me and he took me in his arms and he embraced me. And he said to me, I love you with the love of Jesus. Go home and rest. That was it. And, you know, I looked at him. I didn't, I couldn't give him any answers as to why. He didn't ask, but I couldn't defend myself because there was nothing to defend. There was no excuses. I couldn't make excuses for my sin. But I thought I've experienced the full wrath of God. But the love of God that I felt like a couple of seconds afterwards was even bigger and more powerful than the power of God. because that is what took the cuffs off. It was like I'm arresting you in Jesus' name, but I'm setting you free by the blood and the love of Jesus because Jesus died for us while we were still sinners. Actually, Jesus died for me while I was still a kidnapper and a murderer and someone who did blood covenants with the devil. And I walked away from there and I realized I want to serve this God. The God who's not intimidated, the God who does not negotiate, the God who is the highest currency in the spiritual realm is the blood of Jesus. The highest frequency is the blood of Jesus. It says it is finished. The moment when I walked away from there and I said, I want to serve Jesus, his banner over me was blood saying it is finished. And that is where I got my salvation. And that is where my past became my past, and God gave me a new future and a hope. Wow. Dang, man. That got me. Okay, Ryan, but wait this more. You know, God is sometimes like a special television advert, like, but wait this more. What I found out afterwards was that the moment when the Holy Spirit said to the Father, trust me with your child, he was baptized with the Holy Spirit. And for the four and a half hours that I held him captive, he was praying in the Spirit. and what I heard with my spiritual with my ears, with my natural ears was the armor of God he never once uttered the armor of God he was praying in the spirit whoa so you chatted with the dad after and the son after this all took place yes, we were reconciled Yeah, we were reconciled. I mean, this is this is the gospel is is kidnapper and son and father coming together. And this forgiveness and love and like like freedom in Jesus Christ. And we shared these stories and I realized that the power of God is not in the add ons that we usually do, like the like the helmet of salvation. It's not about the helmet. It's about the salvation. It's not about the breastplate. It's about the righteousness. It's not about the shield. It's about the faith. It's not about the sword. It's about the spirit. It's not about the belt. It's about the truth. It's not about the shoes. It's about the willingness to spread the gospel. And if we walk in all of those things, we don't have to put something on every day. We just have to live it in full force in this world that we are in, and we can make a huge difference. Whoa. Dang, man. So, okay, so you reconcile, like, what does that even look like? Do you just go get lunch with them after? Like, see, I'm putting myself in the shoes of that pastor. and I'm like, if anybody took my kids, like it's on and popping. Like I, like to have the, the, the meekness to hear the Holy spirit, to say, let this play out. I've got a plan here. I can't even go there mentally. I can't even go there, but that's what happened. And then what, like, what do you guys, do you still know them? Do you have a friendship with them? Like, what were the following years after they found out that you came to know Jesus? So they've been praying for me for years. Like they didn't, that was before social media. So no one really knew that I gave my heart to the Lord. I went to Bible school. You know, I had to go through deliverance and, you know, all of those things. But a couple of years after this, and this was like in the beginning of social media, I contacted them and told them I want to come to a conference that they were, you know, presenting in KwaZulu-Natal. and Mark actually said to me, you're allowed to come, but you just have to behave yourself. So I got a white dress and I put on a white dress, especially for the occasion because I thought it would make me look more holy. And I went to the church and, you know, we had a chat and, you know, converse about the past and whatever. And then afterwards, a lady came to me, and I'm talking about a couple of years after the kidnapping, okay? And this lady came to me and she handed me a baby. about one year old little girl and I just held this baby not close to my body but you know far away because people don't usually give their children to me um people usually hide their kids when I'm around so um it wasn't normal for for me to just take this child and I was very you know reluctant to do it and the moment when she handed me this baby she said meet Seth's daughter now this is the boy that I kidnapped. This is his wife, and she's handing me her little girl. And, Ryan, I couldn't deal with it. It was like at that stage I still thought that I was unworthy to be forgiven. I was unworthy to be loved to that extent. I knew that God loved me, but, I mean, for people, you know, people don't forgive so easily. And as you rightfully said, I mean, I know how to do satanic rituals if you kidnap my child. I know how to get rid of a body. You know, that's a joke. But, you know, I'm also there today. I'm very, very serious about my kids. And, you know, I will protect them with everything that I have. But and that father, it must have taken a lot of grace and love and understanding that he also had a testimony of coming out of the occult and being saved by grace. Aren't we all? And yes, after that, we had lunch. Well, not that specific day, but over the years, we've had lunch together. I've been invited to their church, which they don't have the church anymore, but I've been reconciled with that family. And I've actually spoke to the father, I think, the day before yesterday, still having a relatively good relationship with him. But I want to just say for the purpose of this podcast that I take full responsibility of my actions. I do not blame the devil for what I've done. It was me. It was my sinful choices, my sinful nature. It was me. I don't know. I want to blame the devil for everything, but I can't. So I had to, I think that maybe over the last 30 years, I have really tried my best to live up to being a daughter of the king, meaning educating myself and being involved in community upliftment, emergency care when it comes to, you know, counseling, working with the police in solving certain crimes, really, really changing my life. So I'm not just this is not just talk. This is really a life turned around. And I'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm just, you know, sharing my testimony. Sure. Yeah. Well, I mean, you can't really read a Bible hero story and not see that they did some horrific things and the Lord redeemed them. So you're fully redeemed. You're fully loved. I mean, you're fully pure. You're fully clean and you're fully trusted. You're fully trustworthy. and I'm sure that was a pretty special moment to be handed that boy's baby. Well, today he's the father of two daughters. So what I see is grace upon grace. Amen. That's the beauty of grace, right? It's beautiful. Well, tell me about what you're doing now. Obviously, you and Rian, you have a ministry together. What does that look like? so we are doing the training but my side of ministry is very much hand hands on with satanic abuse or satanic ritual abuse survivors like the things that i've been through as a child and even as a young adult and before i gave my heart to the lord i am i'm a subject matter expert on satanic or sadistic ritual abuse. So I mainly work with survivors doing counseling when it comes to satanic ritual abuse and DID, which is dissociative identity disorder, which often goes hand in hand, especially when it comes to generational Satanism. And Rian also talks about how in the circles that he moved in, how the children were also ritually abused. and the things that happened there. So it's not just information out of the satanic panic era. I mean, the satanic panic happened like more than 40 years ago, like, well, close to plus minus 40 years ago. But the stories and the experiences of people remains exactly the same. Nothing has changed. I can work today with someone out of Sweden and Germany and New Zealand and Australia and Brazil. And all of them tell exactly the same stories with different names of perpetrators, but the main rituals all stay the same. It's the same trauma. It's not exactly the same, but it's in the same level, the same category. And even if every Christian becomes a trauma counselor to work with systemic ritual abuse, We still do not have enough people working with these victims. Right. Yep. Yeah, it's so sad. Adele, we're going to if you could send me the link to your ministry, whether it's a donate page or whether it's people who could get in contact with you, if you'd be willing. We're going to put that in the show notes and in the description. And then what's your what are your handles on social media? Where can people find you? on deliverance hub we have a facebook page that's open for anyone and we share a lot of stories there um i try to pray every morning live on air i'm not not too often i don't want people to get reliant on me but i want to give people the opportunity who do not have a prayer life to begin having an active prayer life because it's so important we usually see in ministry that people don't have a prayer life anymore. They do not read the Bible. They do not hear the word of the voice of God, and they do not have discernment. So we are very focused on that, to teach people how to do that and to grow in maturity in Jesus Christ. And as I said, we have the training company, so Rian and I are part of it. And now we are actually going to start our first occult safe house, emergency safe housing, where I live in Shanteng in South Africa. So that is like what we do. So I am Precious Adele Frey. God calls me Precious on social media, but my Facebook profile is full right now, so I can't take on any more friends. Okay. No problem. Well, God bless you, Adele. What an amazing story. I'm so grateful to get to know you and so grateful for your ministry and so grateful for Rion and your guys' ministry together and your friendship. Let's pray. Could you close us in prayer? Would you just pray for anybody that is maybe dealing with fear right now, maybe dealing with some of this abuse? Maybe it wasn't satanic ritual abuse. Maybe they've just got some trauma and some abuse in their past. Would you just pray for them? Yeah, let's pray. Father I come to you in the mighty name of Jesus Christ Father right now I pray that you will move in like a flood With your love and your grace And your kindness and your gentleness With the full power of the Holy Spirit Lord Jesus Not overwhelming people in a harsh uncomfortable way But very gently Lord like water That always flows to the lowest part first I pray that your Holy Spirit will minister in the deepest and lowest places of a person's body, soul, and spirit, Lord. Father, I pray that you will counter every demonic voice that comes against them. Lord, every banner over them, every label that has been put on them that is not from your heart, Lord, that you will pull that away in Jesus' mighty name. And, Father, I pray that whatever you proclaim over their lives, that that will become the banner over their lives in Jesus' mighty name. Father, today I pray that you will dismantle every plan, purpose, and destiny that the enemy have for people watching right now who come from a background of abuse. And, Lord, I pray that you will start the healing process. Lord, you are gentle. You are kind. You are worthy to receive all honor and praise. And thank you, Lord Jesus, that whatever the enemy planned for destruction, you turn around for your glory. And we stand on your word and your promises. Thank you, Lord Jesus, that you will put people in contact with people in their communities that can help them, that can journey with them, Lord. I pray, Lord, that churches will once again become lighthouses in our communities. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen, amen. Adele, thank you for being on. Guys, thank you for tuning in to the Jesus People podcast. We will see you guys next week.