Hayley Williams

Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of Good Hang. This is such a good one. You know, this is a guest who I wanted on since I started this podcast and I am such a fan. It is Hailey Williams. Um, a beautiful artist, an incredible singer, songwriter. You might know her from the band Paramora, but she's out with her third solo album, Ego Death at the Bachelorette Party. And um, she's just so special and we had such a good time. And um, we're going to talk about a lot of stuff today. We're going to talk about working with David Byrne. We're going to talk about um, you know, Wayne's world and how important of a movie it is. Um, we're going to talk about being short pros and cons and we're going to warm up and warm down because that's what a person does when they take care of their voice. But most importantly, we're going to start this podcast like we always do. We're going to talk to someone who knows Hailey Williams and knows her well. And today we have Doug Peck. Now Doug Peck is a musical director, a teacher, voice teacher, if you will. He's also a train musician and pianist and he works with Hailey to get her voice just right. And I know him in a very special way too. So let's find out what that is. And let's get Doug on the line. Hi, Doug. This episode of Good Hang is presented by Walmart Express Delivery, getting gifts to your doorstep in as fast as an hour. Who needs elves when Walmart Express Delivery can make espresso machines magically appear on your doorstep? And if you do happen to forget something, no judgment. You can even order gifts up until 5 p.m. on December 24th. Santa, you might want to take notes. Download the Walmart app or head to Walmart.com and get your gifts delivered fast. Subject to availability, terms, and fees apply. I'm like, rent. I'm like, we need so good to see you. Oh my gosh, I'm so excited to talk to you. Thank you so much for doing this. I mean, Doug, we could do an entire episode on Good Hang. Your life, your talent. How did we meet? We met through our buddies, Katherine Hahn and Rashida Jones. Both of their episodes were so good. We're two years ago at the Christmas season. We thought it would be fun to do some Christmas music together at Rashida's house and you walked in. You're like, hi. And we instantly fell into a beautiful rapport. You so beautifully sang all the alto parts of all the Christmas carols we sang and I'll never forget you sang. It feels like the song is on some distant shore and we're the boat that's pulling away from it. Alto's. Give it up for Alto's. Poor one out for Alto's. Well, I realized we, you know, we were like, we want to put together a choir because we were feeling like we wanted to do something communal and for the community. And then Katherine said, I'm working with this incredible person named Doug. And then I realized much later it was like saying, I know this woman named Julia Child, who's going to come and teach us how to make a chicken. Like we had the best of the best. We were so lucky. Well, thanks, Katherine, for introducing us. Speaking of Julia Child, baby, let's get your head voice warm. Okay. Julia Child. Okay. So Doug, what should I do? Thank you. Can you give us a good old acting class? Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. And then show us a little siren from low in your range to high in your range back to low in your range. Good. Really good. Can you roll your shoulders while you do that and keep yourself nicely because you come feet? Oh, my God. My shoulders. Oh, and I forget. I have shoulders. I'm over the room so they can relax. Doug is a good shoulder rubber and not in a creepy way. No, not in a creepy way. Never. Never. Sorry. Roll your shoulders out. Really good. And then let me. She's doing her voice. Actually one of Haley's folk favorite warm-ups. Can you do. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Yeah. Doug has a piano right under. I can't believe you have a piano. Doug has a piano right there. Amazing. This is the first. On good hang. Someone has a piano right below frame. So, I mean, this is one of Halie's. Okay, go ahead. Can you give it to me again, Duk? What's up? Hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Dobby, how does that feel? That is Haley's favorite warm up. It's one of them. We have a whole list of things. I've seen photos of you guys together and the way that you use breath. I mean, I want to talk to her a lot about that today. Her voice is one of my favorites. I think when we met, I when I found out you guys work together, I kind of freaked out. And that's how I felt working with her for the first time. I was like, you're going to go do a session with Haley Whiz. I was like, great. I bet I'm going to learn as much as she is. What was that? What was that first session like? There was total love at first sight. Haley is, especially when someone's as incredible as she is. When there's such an open student and a student of life and just everything I've ever said to her, I feel like she just sponges it in. And she remembers one thing I said three years ago and will make a great sound. And she'll be like, oh, that reminds me of where warming up for the era is too early. I like how that one sounded. Let's work on that again. And she's always willing to work on what she's great at as well as what doesn't come as easily to her. And she's such a capricorn. She's always ready to climb that next mountain. And this new album of hers is so incredible. It's so good. I know I have so many good night. Did you hear any of it when it was being like, did you come in and say I'm working on the song? I want to practice this song with you? Yes. And then she's popped down in the couch. I was like, yeah, I've got like two new songs. You want to hear them? It's like, yeah, I do. And then she's like, some of these are really low. We should probably work on that. I was like, I cannot wait, Haley. Let's go. Oh, well, so that's interesting to me. Like a singer knows, okay, I'm going to have to perform these. And I'm going to have to work on figuring out how to get my voice to sing these all the time. That's right. And sometimes when they record, they've, you know, they've never done it live all the way through. And our sessions are the first amazing time. And so lucky we're like, okay, start at the beginning and sing it through and pick which backgrounds you want to do and which adlibs you want to do. Sometimes even great people like Haley are like, whoa, this doesn't feel at all like it felt on the record. Let's find it and do it live. And that's just such a joy. I always think about that. And I want to ask her. And I think she was very, has spoke about it in a really funny way, which is, you know, you write a song in your 20s that you then have to sing 10 years later. And it's a note that's like, you know, all I want is what is, whatever. And it's like, damn, you got to hit that. I bet she regrets it. We've like, I'm really proud of her because that was one that wasn't always in the Paramore performances. And she was determined to get it back in the set. We worked totally 360 on it with both the vocals and her confidence. How do you work on that? How do you work? And what is that note, by the way, Doug? Let's hear that on the piano. What's that note? That she's singing these V-flats and an E and that piece, top of her name, you know, really Chesty Belt. And Chesty Belt. Oh, there's so much chest voice in it. And it's from the soul and she gets her whole body behind it. And we worked on, you know, having her look up to her friends in the first balcony and have her whole throat be open while she makes those sounds. Knowing in her eyes that she's going to crush it when she takes the breath to do it. And then while watching the reward and watching the audience reaction, it's just so soul-satisfying. She also does a lot of vocal cool downs. So after the show, we warm her voice back down and help it relax, which helps her with the next night and helps her take a second to say, oh yeah, I did do that really well tonight. Mike did use the proper technique to sing that. And also we've had fun days where she's like, yeah, I just wanted to scream. So I screamed that one and we helped help me. Help me like get my voice back, yeah. Yeah. She is after all the rock star. Yeah. I'll try to do. Well, I mean, it's, I want to ask her about it. Just the idea that you have to keep your voice. I mean, I just, you know, when you lose your voice, you lose the show. The show is over. It's really an intense stress. What do you do? How do you help people not lose their voice? We have straws. We have straws in water. Do we do just like that? What are straws do? You take a straw which gets proper closure and back pressure at your vocal folds. You have one. Somebody get me a straw. Somebody get me a pull or a straw. Somebody get me a straw. Watch this. I need a straw. There's no straw in here. I mean, they were never going to find a straw. Okay. So you get a straw. We're going to do a little problem. Okay. Oh, my God. There's a straw flying in. Jenna has a straw in Crana. Is it, thank you, Jenna? Is it a metal straw? Is a metal straw? Okay. It could be fine. It doesn't matter what it's made of. Because all you young people want the straws to be metal now. So you can't find a paper one. And do you have a little liquid in that mug you got there? I do. Is there a, you're going to spill it if you blow bubbles into it or is it going to have to? No, bubbles into it. You have to have to. Stick the straw in there. Okay. And just blow bubbles. Usually. Now do the same thing with the tones while you blow the bubbles. Oh, my God. Amy Paul is doing straw bubbles. That's a big thing we do in cool down to help the voice reset. It's like a little massage for the vocal cords after heavy use. You know, it's so amazing. Now, honestly, having a podcast, I've realized I see, like I see what it does, even just talking what it does to your vocal cords and may need a lot of love. Well, we can help you come up with a warm up in a cool down before taping days. I'd love to do that with you. Doug, listen, I'd love that. And I'd also love to make every guest watch me do it and make them very uncomfortable while I take my time doing it, you know? Okay. So Haley is coming in today and I hope I don't, as the kids say, glaze her too hard, but I just, I love her. You probably will. I know I will. I love her. What do you think is a question that I should ask Haley today that she doesn't get asked or that you'd want to hear or, you know, think it would be a good thing for us to talk about? Okay. I thought it too. So you could decide if you want to do one or one. And you know how like Batman has the bat symbol in the sky? If there was going to be a symbol in the sky to summon Haley Williams, what would it be? What an incredible question. So creative. And then the other one is, you know, everybody has like what's your last meal? I want to know what is the last song she wants to hear before she dies. I mean, so emotional. Yeah, welcome. What is the last song you want to hear before you die? Whoa, that's a heavy answer to that. That's so cool. I mean, I want to think about that for myself too. I know the ones I don't want to hear. I don't want to hear like elevator music or like the sound of a carousel. I can't think of what I don't want to hear. You don't want to be bored. You don't want to feel like a clown. As I finish, you have worked with a lot of great women. Yes. Who have you had the privilege to work with? You know, some days Amy, I'm like, oh, it's an all-girl schedule. I'm so happy. So it could be a Catherine Han, Patty LePone, Billy Eilish, Haley Williams, and working with Phoebe Bridgers a lot lately. Oh, you're working with her today, not to brag, but you told me that. That is true. Thank you for making the scheduling work. We'll work around Phoebe. That's a good credit. I'm working with Rico Nasty these days and Lauren Mayberry from Churches and lots of up and coming people, including by the way, Haley is the biggest music fan in the world and she's always scouting. And everyone's going to know she'll discover somebody and she'll tell me or she'll tell her manager to tell me like, make sure Doug does a lesson with that person because we want that person to start getting ready to tour and sing all the time. So some of the great people you haven't quite heard of yet, but you will. I just student record her tiny desk concert today and you to Rousseau. Oh my gosh. Wow, that's exciting. Well, I love you. I love seeing you. I miss you very much. I hope we get, you know, we should let everybody know that our choir was called the something-something singers and we did two shows. We did it for the motion picture academy, the retirement home in LA and we did it for LA Children's Hospital. Can I show you my Haley Williams tattoo? Yes. Oh, that is Haley Williams on stage at the Ares Tour, spitting in the air in her trans rights top. I was like, I fucking love this one so much. So Doug, you know, we don't ever get any talented pianists here. So could you finish our time by just playing us out? I'm going to give you a little bit of true believer, which is my favorite on this true believer. Here we go. Do you like gadgets? I like gadgets and I like them even better when I have them delivered from Best Buy on Uber Eats. I know, crazy. But when you use promo code Best Buy 30 on Uber Eats, you can get $30 off all the must-haves this holiday and honestly, you'd be crazy not to. 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Thank you so much. And as a kid, Sam, I'm just going to glaze you. I'm going to do a lot of glazing. Glazing. It's going to be a glazed fest because you're on some kind of tour right now. Like you're on. Well, like basically a promo. I mean, this has been really nice. I feel like I've only had, I've only had to do the stuff that's been like, I've really felt excited to do. But you know, it's like being on can't, it's just, I just feel like I'm on the internet all the time. Yes. I'll be on tour until next year and by that time, I hopefully I have a dumb phone and I just don't see the internet or. Yeah. How do you see it? I mean, your gen has an interesting relationship with the internet. It is like a love-hate relationship, basically. It is a love-hate. Yes. I'm really addicted to it. Me too. It sucks. I feel like I thought maybe my generation was more addicted than you guys. Really? But you guys are the most. Well, I mean, how old was I when my mom was a teacher? So I was like a public school teacher. My mom was a public school teacher. Really? Like you grew up, did you grow up going to her classrooms and stuff? Yes. It was the best. Okay, what kind of teacher was your mom? Back then, she was teaching elementary school like second and third grade. And I never, she was never my teacher, but I went to that school and. Same. Is it funny to have your mom as a teacher in the school? Did you hang out at the school afterwards? Yeah. You got there early if we were going in with her or we'd stay after. And you kind of like see the other teachers after school, which is a trip. It's such, it's like, it's like mean girls when they see Tina at the mall. Yeah. The one they've taken and see Tina at the mall. Yeah. It really is like that. I really, that resonated with me deeply. I know. It does feel like you're like peaking behind the curtain. Yeah. Very, I like don't look at the wizards. Right. Yeah. When you came in, you asked about a mutual friend that we have. Yes. So we do have a mutual friend and he's the most loveliest guy ever. His name is, what is his dog peck? So we have a thing on this show where we, the beginning of each episode, we can talk well behind our guests back and we talked to somebody who knows them and get and get a question from them to ask you and we talked to dog peck today. You did? Yeah. Love it. And he gave me a vocal warm up for us to do. Shut your mouth. This is the best day of my life. Okay. And I kind of forget what he said. Okay. Maybe I can, maybe I can pick up on it. I also amazingly had a piano right under frame that he started to play and was a first I come over. But because I was like, Doug, I'm excited to talk to Haley and he's like, okay, and he gave us, he gave, he said one of your favorite warm up is is that like, well, I think it's like free to do it. But it was like, huh? Oh, yeah. Oh, huh. It's like with your belly. Yeah. Cause I really have trouble connecting to my diaphragm sometimes. He asked me, how is your body feeling? And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. Okay. So let's do it. Okay. So, um, yeah. So feel your, feel your belly kind of bounce when you, okay. Then you can add notes to it. So like, huh. Yeah. That's it. It really wakes up this whole like everything. It does. Yeah. It really helps. We were just talking today about you. And I mean, there's just, it's hard to not start with your voice because your voice to me, um, and here comes the glaze. Your voice to me is, it's own country. It's like, it has such an incredible history. Like I feel like I've been a fan of it and you and your work for so long and I've watched a change and I watch it. And what I love about this new record, which I love, um, um, ego death at a bachelor at party, is the way you kind of play around with your voice in a, in my opinion, a confident way as someone who feels like they're ready to just kind of like see where their voice goes and play around with it. So I guess my, my first question to you is when did you form a relationship with your voice? Well, that's a cool question to think about. I think young, um, I was, I was, I was remembering this not too long ago and I think this must be it. I would go to church with my mom and my, with my family as a kid and I was, I was very anxious, stressed out, little kid. And my mom and I kind of, you know, she was in a, not great marriage. She was my mom's second marriage. And I think I just had anxiety a lot. So we would go to church and everyone would sing out of the hymnal and they're not fun songs to sing, right? Sure. You know, it's, it's boring when you're a kid, especially. Right. And but I noticed that my stomach ache would go away. And I, I, I couldn't explain it, but I just, I started singing, I started singing more to the hymns along, you know, along with the hymns at church. And it just soothed me, you know, like, I think it grounded me and it slowed me down. And then obviously, you know, all these many, many years later and everything that I, I love to learn about the body and, and especially what, what, what do you think like body keeps the score type stuff? I'm really interested in that. And reading about how the voice can tone the vagus nerve, and which controls so much of this, this anxiety stuff and how we regulate. It makes perfect sense, but I entuited that as a, I must have, I mean, God, I must have been like eight or nine years old. That's really young. It's so interesting. Even just doing that thing we just did, right? Like even the exhalation of breath, even that. Yeah. Is, it is major when you actually do it, you realize, oh, I've been holding my breath. Oh my God. Yes. I mean, and I do a lot of sighing around the house. And I used to just think that was my personality. You know, as if I was over it, but I realized it was just an exhalation of anxiety. That was just basically it. I was just trying to get some breath out. And you were soothing yourself, like your system by doing it. Yeah. It's, I love that science. I just, that's endlessly fascinating. And Doug, because he's a somatic voice coach, we do so many things that I think, if you've never done that kind of work, from the outside would look really weird. And I get up and I move around a lot during our lessons. You're making me think of two things. One, which is I often say, and I've said on this podcast, like when I get to a party and I'm anxious, I like to dance and I realize it, of course, I like to just do exactly that kind of thing, like shake it out. That's good. But the other thing is, and I want to talk to you about performing, you have written a lot of songs where you have to just like get to this note that maybe you wrote 20. Yeah. 20 years ago. Yeah. I mean, some version is like, okay, I could, you know, like I got to get to it. And I was saying to Doug, like it's really hard to, it's like a high dive where everyone's you know, and I'm thinking specifically of a couple moments, like all I wanted. All I wanted, yeah, the, oh my, the anxiety. Okay, but you, that's Doug. That's Doug. Talk to us about like, for example, the journey of, and for people who don't know, and there is an amazing song, a pair more song, and it hits a note that is like so satisfying for you to get what is, what is the note of that? Is it a, I actually don't know. Doug knew and I forgot. Doug knows. Hey, Mike. Usually my, my sweet spot of like not too high, and I can do, keep doing this throughout the show is around a sea, a sea, an e above middle sea, which is like, so if middle seas in the center of the piano, you're like right here. So could you, could you whisper that sound? You don't have to sing it, but could you, so is it like, like from the song? No, but it's like, yeah, I don't have a perfect pitch. So I don't think I could like, what? I don't, I think I can pick it out of the, out of thin air, but let's just guess on the Doug can be at home and he can tell us our song is wrong. I have a laptop too. I can. Yeah, look at it. So what's the note we want? We want sea above middle sea. Because I didn't even know that existed. I think E is kind of where I end up belting a lot of paramour songs, but I think all I wanted might be higher than that. And that's why it's always scared me because it's just my muscle memory. One, two, three, four. One, two, three, four. So it's, it's, it's got to be higher than that. Sea above middle sea. But I think that E, I think that E is the one, my mind won't try E above middle sea. Yes, E above middle sea. Let's go higher. I don't know. Let's go higher. Wow, look at, laptop's going to catch on fire. Okay, here we go. E above middle sea. I think this is it. Okay. No. That's a lower one. That's a lower one. That's mid piano note. I'm so sorry. Why do I think all I want, I think all I want is higher than this. Yeah. You did it too. Come to a voice lesson. Let's get this down. Okay, so you, but you, the journey of, and I, and I let, thank you for letting me digress into this before you definitely. But talk about like, so you've got this note, for example, and note like that. And you're driving to it and you want to sing it on tour and you're deciding like, okay, I want to make sure I want to bring this back in. And how do you then train for that moment? Oh, I'm, I mean, a lot of warming up and warming down after shows. I already, I've already heard about warming down. Downing down. Do you ever do it? Like, do you know, I, I, I, I, I'm learning. I really, I really hope. Okay. Can you read music? No, I did maybe for a few years in my life when I took piano, but I got so bored with the theory part. I just wanted the play shit that I wanted to sing along to. Yeah. So, um, it's really, I really regret it when I listen to someone like Doug talk about theory and, and spout off these, you know, this stuff that's so inherent to him as an artist and as a teacher. It's like, uh, dang, I really should have stayed in piano lessons. It feels like everybody who, who quit, who quit feels that way. Like, it would have been cool if I just kept showing along with the flute. I would have been such a badass. I read, can you play any instruments? No. Can you play a few, a few chords on guitar and like a song or two in the piano. And I used to play flute when I was a kid. You did. Yes. And imagine if I could flute a chic. I mean, maybe, but you know what I liked about the flute, the most embarrassing part of it. It's cleaning it. Cleaning it. I'm so sorry. But for those, what's that for also? You could take it at the end. You were like, I played it and look, I didn't like it. I didn't take it apart. I'm taking unscrew it. And you went to clean all the parts and your special brushes and you put it back in the flute case and you were like, no, it's clean. Has this, this, this is translate to like other parts of your life. Do you like to clean and organize? Yeah, very much so. Wow. Very much so. It's like, it's like a way to like quiet and like the tiki tacky my brain is just like, well, that's clean. And it's in the box. I got to take that up. Okay, so little Haley's singing in church, then you're, but you know how to play guitar in piano. How do you learn that? Now I know how to play guitar, but back then I think I probably only know how to play piano and I was learning to play the drums. You know, I saw one video of Zach Hansen on the television when I was a kid and I was like, now I got to play drums. And I, yeah, I started playing eventually and I would play a church, you know, like I think my experience of music when I was living in Mississippi was just so much at church. Yeah. Because no friends, I didn't know anyone at school that wanted to play music. But you know, there was access to instruments and things at the church. So anyone who tends to see you when you're a teen. Yeah. And that kind of changed everything. That kind of blew my world open. I mean, I met Zach, who's our drummer, the first day of this home school program that my mom put me in. I could, I tried to go to public school. I was such a nerd. I really got bullied. So I didn't make it very long here. It's okay. When I think about it now, I'm like, it was, my mom and I were on such an adventure. We had run away from Mississippi. This was like, you know, the, the great wide world. And I, I didn't really, again, I got to this public school and I was like, well, none of these, there's like one golf kid at the school that like we'll talk to me about music. And that was it. And then I met Zach, the first day of this other program. And he was like, you gotta come hear me and my brother's band. And he's younger than me. And I'm going like, oh, there are people in my age that like to make stuff. And they, they see the world a little differently. And I'm not crazy. I think it's always tender when bands come together that first part because it's like, what do you like? What do you like? And you guys were especially young. We were so little. Who did you, you know, you kind of trade bands with each other to just test taste? Who did you guys both like say that you liked? You know, and those early years, like, I think Zach already have this, he already knew of a different world of music that I was not exposed to yet. And he kind of showed me that. And it was bands like Failure, it was bands like, and you will know us by the trail of dead. Yes. You know, like it was, hum, who were playing shows next year, I just found out. I probably won't get to see him because I'll probably be on tour. But I know when you're on tour, you can't do anything. I can't do anything. Even like you bring out a band that you love that you want to hang out and watch. And you're just like warming up while they're on stage, you know? I mean, Zach is the reason that I knew Elliot Smith's music as a really young kid. And, you know, I remember him making me mixed CDs. So I got such a cool education really fast. He had two older brothers that also liked cool music. A lot of people learn their music from their older siblings. Yes. And I didn't have any older siblings. I'm older. Older daughter. Yeah, I knew it. Oh my God. Capricorn too, I heard. Are you Capricorn? No, I'm a Virgo by Earth's side. Earth's the animal Virgo moon. Ooh, I have a lot of video moon. I have a lot of video moon. Oh, that's why I have this podcast. Oh my God. It makes so much sense. I must get some attention. I must get some attention. So for people who don't know, like you, you met the people that would become members or founders of Paramore when you were a teeny tiny baby in high school. You've been with this band for 20 plus years, touring all the time, making records all the time. And this record is your third solo record. And what is so interesting to me and getting back to a question about your voice is what is the difference between being the lead singer in a band out on stage performing and being yourself performing without the band behind you? Is that not the million dollar question? I do not know. Right? Because it's a completely different set of skills. It is. I'm very, I'm finding myself, because we're planning shows for next year. I'm finding myself really nervous, because I, I think I form, for my own good, really need to understand who I am outside of the band. Like it's, it's time I'm like, I'm looking at 40. It's not that many years away. And I'm just like, I should probably know who I am outside of this entity. And I'm really, I'm very excited for shows. And I do think that it might possibly subvert some people's expectations of, you know, what they think they're going to get when they see me on a stage. What do you think people think they're going to get? I think that with Paramore, I feel, and especially in the, in the later years, like more recently, there's been some kind of thing I've noticed, this feeling I've noticed that I very much feel like a ringleader. And that's not always a positive thing. I feel that like it's a huge responsibility to be a mouthpiece for a group of people. That's right. We're all very different individuals. And like I want to speak for myself. Yeah. That's what I'm noticing. I love that. And it's also, I, I have a version of a similar experience in that when I, I, I, I, when I was in a sketch group coming up, I read about this. And I was the only girl. Um, not that that matters, but it's something. It does. I think it totally matters. It's something. So I really get it that you want to then decide, okay, that's something I've practiced and done and I want to try something new. Yes. Yeah. I feel like I'm really enjoying this part of my career because I actually feel like for the first time in my career, I'm talking to women, um, growing up, it, it, there was just no women around. You know, there wasn't a lot of women when you were on Warped Tour. No. I didn't have a real like a great, great gang backstage. It wasn't so many that you could show up and talk about. Like there were some really amazing ladies in the production office. Of course. But then I was also like, you know, I mean, I was like pushing gear with the guys on a skateboard down a hill across to Maryweather Postpavilion, you know, like I, like I wasn't hanging out on the production office. Yeah. I really think I, it, it is something to be the only girl. It is. And a gang. It is. And it's also like you want to feel, you know, we could, we could talk about this part forever and you would be the person to be able to talk about it with. But it's like, how does your, the gender that you identify as, how do you sublimate it? How do you like kind of push it aside? How do you play around with it? Like I feel like you have really cool ways in which you kind of play around with the mask and femme side. Oh, thank you. But it's, but it sometimes you're just, you need like the space to be able to do that basically and the safety to be able to do that. The safety. That, that's the, that one hits me more. I think I, the, the, the era that we grew up in and I know I've already referenced me in girls one time, but you think about like that technically contractually you have to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We've done two. Yeah. I owe Tina a lot. You're not going to get a phone call. I'm really in. I like, that was a time in, in culture that I do, I think more conversations were starting to happen, but to be whatever age I was 14, I think. Oh, baby. Yeah. And I was in that age range, you know, of all these people and, and like watching the, the social, like this, you know, this construct that happens. Yeah. I, I feel that once I entered the band world and, and the, the music, the climate, you know, especially for like Indy and, and more like, punk sub genres, it didn't feel safe to be a young girl. I thought if I was an older woman, I would have felt differently, but I really shirked any, any aspect of me that was remotely feminine. And it, I didn't know this, but it really hurt me. Yeah. It like, I did it to myself. No one asked me to do that. We thought, well, a lot of, we all did it. A lot of us did it to ourselves. Because you're scanning, right? You're always scanning for the dangers and unfortunately in the, in the industries that were both in, there's a lot of them. Yeah. I think it took me until probably, I remember writing very neutrally, like in terms of my point of view, like I never want to give away, lyrically, that, you know, this is a young girl's point of view, you know, trying to be smart enough to make that happen. But it was probably like our fourth album, which I would have been in my early 20s by that point, where I started to play around with my femininity more and I wasn't so ashamed of it. And, you know, if I ever felt sexy, I didn't like push that feeling away. And I, you know, because of that experience, I'm now, I'm 36 and I'm still noticing places where there's a lot of rigidity around my femininity. And I talk to my friends about this a lot. I don't, I mean, it's just kind of unfolding day by day. I, you know, you go through rough things in your life and I think each time I come around to an obstacle, I'm like, okay, how do I? How do I do this better than the last time I did? I went through something like this and somehow femininity is always at the core of the issue. I so feel you. I feel like it's like a lot of deep programming, a lot of like being just what you said, a little bit curious, not so judgmental. Yeah. Just if you're 10% more aware of anything you're doing, you're, you're hanging in there because it's, you know, you know, you, you can't like judge yourself for what you didn't know. When you were on tour, were there, is there any women that come to mind that were kind of guiding lights or, you know, people that you met along the way that kind of felt like, oh, I'm going to take a, I'm going to notice them and I'm going to kind of pay attention what they're doing and I'm going to learn from it. Yeah. The second year we were on Warped Tour, Joan Jett and the Black Hearts played on the main stage, like the whole summer, which is a brutal summer. It's a long tour. And I would catch them anytime I could and we ended up in a photo shoot together for, I think it was for Billboard and I kissed her on the cheek. I'm very shy. I don't, if I, like if we weren't doing this, I don't know when I would have ever met you. Like I don't, because I'm so, I just, I never want to bother people and I am quite shy when I'm not on stage and I, I don't know, we were staying next to each other and I just kissed her on the cheek and I remember being like, I love her. And I didn't know anything about her other than she was in the runaways and I had a runaways poster on my wall as a teenager. But I thought she was, I thought she was just, I liked her masculinity. Yeah. I liked that she wasn't embarrassed to have that side of her as a woman and she was also very sexy. So that was probably the first woman that I really, like performer that I was really around for, for like an extended period of time in my young, in my early career. And then, you know, I, I just this year, I met Kathleen Hannah and I, I told her I was like, I, I just, I haven't had many of these conversations and it's so validating to, it's so validating by the way to read books like your book and Kathleen's book and, and read about women. I, I, you know, I have a mate, my mom and my granny are like these incredible women in my life that I've learned so much from. My mom and I are like really close in age and all that. But I, I learned, there's, we have so much grace for each other and I, I'm very thankful for those relationships, but I didn't have anything outside of my family to really like soak up. Yeah. Wisdom from other women. Yeah. So yeah, it's like the proximity of them. Yes. And you must have, you must have felt that on the Aristotle. Yeah. Like you got to be around all these incredible women and incredible women at the helm and you just got to feel what it feels like to be in that. Yeah. Matrix, Arkel simulation. Totally. It is a different, it's a different feeling altogether. I mean, there was just, there was a time too where we would go a whole year and I wouldn't see another girl on stage. Mm-hmm. And now when we, now that we have the power to chew to make those choices, it's so nice to get to be intentional about that and to think about the conversations you might get to have backstage and what I might learn or what I might be able to offer another artist that, you know, that's maybe like the Linda Linde's, I love those. Oh, I love the Linda's. Like I love them. Oh, I love the Linda's. And I just think that they're so smart and they're so, like politically, like aware and not afraid. I think that it's very not a healing for me to see young, like teenage people be so, be so bold about what they believe in and, and, and really confident in their playing and how they perform and that their friendships. It's, it's really healing to see that. Well, you probably, I mean, I have a couple questions about the Aristotle and their practical questions. They're like, what is it like to perform early in the day? I love it. It sounds amazing. If I never, I've already told the team, like if we get festival offers, please don't make me play after the sun starts to go down. I completely agree. Nothing good is happening out there. First of all, you can be done by what, 8th, 30th? I want to have a normal dinner. I've normal dinner. This is what Tina and I go on tour and we do like four o'clock and six o'clock shows. What? The baby, you can do a four o'clock show. I mean, you're the boss, so you can. And guess what? People are going to show up and you can say to them. I'm going to show up. You can say, in good night, enjoy your dinner and they're like, I'm in bed by 730. Oh my God. That is incredible. I mean, I did do that on the air. So what at the, like you had a long stretch when you were with them, you had a bunch of different cities with Taylor Swift on the air store. What did you do after the show? Went well, when we were in the UK, I loved this because, you know, BBC, you know, not BBC E4. I can't remember what channel it is, but they play Gogglebox. Have you watched Gogglebox? Yes, I've heard of Gogglebox. Oh my God. Amy, this is my favorite show of all time. I just love to get. Explain to people what it is. Okay. Imagine Amy and I are like, we're watching television together and all these cameras are still here, which honestly sounds terrifying. But like, it's just families and friends watching TV, like commenting on what they're seeing. And some of it is like, you know, soap opera type shit and other times it's like Boris Johnson. Yeah. I'm like, I often see some clips of like heavy, beautiful scenes where like a young teen is coming out to his parents. Yeah. And then they'll show all the different reactions. And I think like, oh, this very blue collar family is going to have a tough time with it and they don't do. And they don't do. Oh my God. England is just full of angels. They go according to Gogglebox. Yeah, according to Gogglebox. It's very, it's very wholesome. Yeah. And I love to just, I can see that. You know, I'm glad of your two and just sink into a, you know, have some room service around. It was, let me watch what people are watching. Okay. So you would like watch TV. Yeah, I would after. You would chill out. You would not go out. We went out some, we had a lot of days off too. And we would like, my favorite days were Portugal. We were in Portugal for like four days before the show started. And we did one day on like this little boat, the guys and I all went out, our crew, everybody. I think that was like 40 of us, maybe 30 of us total. And we went out and we're not talking about like a yacht situation, but it was very cute. And we went out and we swam. Well, the guys swam and then we found out later. It's like a really not a good idea to swim in that water. But you had the instinct to not go in. I didn't want to be cold. I'm not a cold person. You don't, you don't remember do like a cold plunge or any of that? You love a cold plunge. I know this about you and look how you're ready. I thank you. It's, and it's not about the skin, although that's a nice bite. The skin is all care about it. The inside's going to be rotting off. Let my skin go. Okay. It's good for inflammation. Oh, I know. I don't want you to tell me that. And you don't have to do it. You never, never. You have to do it. Maybe soon. I think it has, and honestly, it's really helped with anxiety and depression. Really? Yes, because it talk about somatic. It flips on. You're like, um, it's fight or flight. Oh. It flips on some kind of, oh, no, I'm going to die. I'm so cold. But how does that help? Because the high when you're still alive is. Have you ever, like, thrown up on steam? I've never thought I'd be on steam. I actually don't think I've thrown up from a show. I have, I have, I blacked out on stage at ACL, like the last album cycle, but I didn't pass it. I like, I like blacked out. A pink pantherist was on stage singing misery business with us. And I had this moment where I was like, I just went out for two seconds and I came back. It turns out I was sick. So I found that out later. But, um, but other than that, I've only had a few instances where like, there was one time Mexico, a festival in Mexico City. I almost shit my pants through up and, um, blacked out at the same time. I almost didn't want to be rude, but I mean, how, after so many shows have you not, have you not shit my pants? I really did. I mean, I, I don't know. I mean, pretty much every singer I see, I assume that they've, they're friends. Not on stage. I mean, there's nothing you do about it. I think it's like, it's like when you're on your period and you go in the water, apparently it just like just, it just goes, I think that's what happens on stage with me. It's just like, yeah, we're not doing this. Yeah. Wait until after. Rich women are incredible. Women are so strong. Women, most of the time don't shit their pants. Yeah. Like, most of them credible. That's like a guy, baby. Actually, sorry. A hundred percent is true. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know any women today that have pooped their pants once. I need no one here in the studio today. Today, no one. We should just all try it together once so we can know. But it is, it's super physical. And then the other, I have so many like, because I feel like there's a version where one must like, just associate and just kind of be in your world and sing. And other times where you want to feed off of the eye contact from people. And is that just, you're just always adjusting with that or? Yeah. I don't know if I'm, I don't know if I'm fully present to like that awareness when I'm in it. Yeah. I get such a rush. I mean, especially at a paramour show, I usually recognize a lot of the people in the front. So we're all, we'll, we'll have like a relationship then throughout that show where I'm like, I know you, I've seen you a million times and like, you're with me. Yeah. But then I'll spot other people and I can, I can really feed. It's almost like I intuit what the song means to them. I'm not thinking about what it means to me anymore. It's so healing. It's very liberating actually. Because I love to write about stuff that'll just make you so depressed, you know, like I, I need to get that out. So to have an experience with other people that takes it away from me is really, I really need that, I think. What's a song or a lyric or a moment that has been given back to you by a fan, like by, by someone in there on and singing it back to you that's changed the meaning of what you wrote? Oh, wow. Because that's a very cool thing you just brought up. Yeah. I mean, to me, I, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my question was going to be, what does it feel like to pass around all these, like, feelings to people so that they can all, you know, they can all have their feelings about it and become detectives about it. But I realize there must be a gift also in the way people sing the song back to you, tell you what they feel about the song that it must change the meaning of the song. It, it really does. Do you think come to mind? Well, the first one that comes to mind is this song called Last Hope from our fourth album, our, we, we had a self titled record that came out when Zach left the band. He left the band with his brother who started the band with us when we were teenagers. And it was really Taylor and I were writing and I was, we were both really sad. And I just kind of also felt like, I mean, what does a band matter? You know, I really was feeling so existential about the whole thing. And I can't remember. The lyric in the bridge, it's like the, the, the salt in my wounds isn't burning. Doesn't, doesn't burn quite as much as it used to. I can't remember exactly the words right now. But it, I just remember writing it and being like this is so sad. And that it, unfortunately, is how I feel. And I've, I've really struggled with my mental health and, and kind of like, you know, I've wanted to not be here plenty of times. And that song kind of expressed that in the moment for me. Having that at a Paramore show, that moment, and feeling like everyone in the room has survived so many different things, and we're all here. Half of us will never see each other again. It really does something to those types of songs where I wrote them in such isolation. And now here I am, having to not only be witness, but bear witness to all these other experiences that have coalesced. And people are just physically joyously singing that back to you. Yes, my name. And being like, thank you for writing that thing. Dude, joy is really, joy is a tough emotion for me because I don't trust it. I always think the piano is going to fall from the sky is what I say to my kids. It's just going to hit me when I least expect it. And I think that's why Paramore shows, at least for me, that they feel so joyous because I'm relying on a lot of other things. I'm not thinking so much about my own experience. When we can transcend our own experience, for me, joy becomes more tangible. It's like, I'm not controlling what's happening anyway. And this thing is being offered up. We're all creating this energy together and we just get to reach up and to and pull it down into our hearts. And it's like, it's very wholesome. It is. It's very primal. Yeah. It's very primal. Singing with other people, just the frequency of that in a room is powerful. Yeah. Can we talk about being short? Can we please fucking talk about being short? Both five two. According to Wikipedia, are you a natural five two? Yeah, I am. In fact, one time I did the whole insurance thing. They come, they take your blood and all that stuff. And they were like, you're five three and I never let it go. It's on my driver's license. Five three is on my driver's license too. Because they measured me in five three, which I'm not a five two. But I was like, and they were like five three and I was like, okay. Thank you. Oh my God, I was so relieved actually. What is a good thing about being five two and what's a bummer? Well, so my friend Daniel that I made the record with is probably like six three. I don't know. Isn't it funny that you don't know? Because anyone over a certain item, like just a building. I don't like, I don't know. I'm just walking through New York every day of my life. But we were standing on like a porch of a house that was kind of like on a hill. And then there were chairs and I was like, you're way up there, man. Like you're like, we're already standing atop this little hill. And so I got on the chair and I stood next to, I stood on the chair next to him where I was even with him. I felt so vulnerable to the elements. I was like, closer to this. This is not where I want to be. No, too windy up there. It's too windy. Yeah, I don't like to be cold. Yeah, and I hate wind if I'm being honest. Yeah, get down under, get down back into your shirt. I just, I just, I really felt scared for like a few minutes. So I tip over. I don't know how to tell people don't tell us. It's silly tip over. And it's like not our business, what's happening. No, we are. It's not our business, what's up now? I don't want to know. It's like if something's important, shout it down. But we don't need to go there. Yeah, I mean, really though, I, I, I do though when I'm shopping, I hate being short. It sucks. Every, it's so embarrassing. It's so embarrassing. Every pair of pants you look like a little kid, like, like swishin' around is a long, big, big round. You know, every nothing fits, nothing is made for short. Chorties. It's really not, and now that I'm getting a little bit older, I'm like learning about like, if my torso is the right length, if this were on my body, I don't want to know. I don't want to know. Do you have anything on your body that's long? My dick. But it's also really wide. Which is like, what do I do with this? These love it. I just don't always know it. I'm going to roll it. And then one, prepare for one more glaze. Okay. I'm ready. Well, actually, I don't know if this is the last glaze, but prepare for another glaze. But you, you are an artist that other artists, male and female, feel like, like you are a lot of people's favorite artists, favorite artists. Oh my God. They love working with you. They have huge tender feelings about being in your orbit. They, on stage, feel very like they're kind of loving you in real time on stage. And you've worked with a ton of people who love working with you and would, you know, we'd be able to get 20 people to talk about how much they love you. Who right now? Like, who do you, who are your people right now that when you get to see them perform with them, be with them, they feel like they're part of a peer group that, like, lift you up and support you or people that are up on that you're hoping to support and bring along for the next ride. Man. Well, I got to perform with the Linda Lindas and London. And I felt really proud of them. I get to, I get to do more stuff with David Burn this year. And I know that's going to feel like it's weird. It's interesting because Linda Lindas are younger than me. David's older than me. Well, that's what I feel like being in your mid 30s. This feels like as you're feeling a little in the middle. Yeah. And, you know, if you know, if you're 20s or a figure out what you want to do, then your 30s are kind of figuring out what you don't want to do. And so you're kind of letting go of things and aren't working for you anymore. But that vacuum gets filled with cool stuff like in your looking at head and back. It's cool. I mean, what do you think your 30s feel like? I have felt like. Honestly enjoying you talking about it because I, 30s are weird. Like it's, especially the middle of my 30s. I still felt very young in my early 30s. Like I still felt very, what's the difference between 28 and 32? I felt like it was all the same. Something happened at 35. I started seeing myself like seeing pictures and being like, oh, that's different. But I also still feel sprightly and have energy and almost like a renewed passion that makes me want to like live it all up. Yeah. It's just a, I didn't expect 30s to be like this. Yeah. I mean, I guess I want to know. What did you expect 30s to be like? Is it funny when we're young? I don't know. Like what feels old? Because I, I'm here at time 54. I don't feel any, I don't feel old. But when I was a young person, if someone was like, she's 50, it would be like, oh my. That's the oldest number, I guess it is. And it was so funny here to tell you from like, just, I sent you a dispatch from 54. I don't feel that different. It really excites me. Yeah. It excites me because I see like, because being 36 when you say 54, maybe this is the age where like that doesn't sound old to me. That doesn't, that doesn't scare me. I think it sounds better than 36. And I think it's harder to be in the middle. Yeah. The middle part. The middle is hard. Hell is the hallway. Hell is the hallway. Life is a highway, but hell is the hallway. We just wrote a whole song. No one's ever in any of those words. Okay. And then, and then the, the last thing I'll say is that I, I, I see in the, in the music world what happens a lot in, in the more like actor comedy world, which is women who are very, very different or kind of asked to be a member of the same group. And they're all really different with different styles, different ways of approaching things. And, but you have an incredible, you're in an incredible time right now for just women in music. They're just dominating. Oh my God. And so many styles. Exactly. Yeah. I'm, I'm really enjoying watching women on stages right now because of what you said. It's so many different personalities. I, I, I am, I love, um, Manic and Pussy, I think. Yeah, they're amazing. They're amazing and singer. Talk about voice. Yeah. Yeah. And we just connected over like just over DMs. And um, Missy was talking about losing her voice. We were kind of like, key key in about that a little bit and talking about this initiative that she was, she told me about this no music for genocide initiative. And it's just so nice again to talk to other women and music that like we don't have to be doing the same thing. We don't have to like the same music. Like we can be on completely different sides of the musical landscape. But it, I feel so much less alone by engaging in it more. Yeah. And I just, it's so exciting. Also like I was just telling my friends this morning, I, I normally listen to like, you know, I, I like bands and I like heavy music and I like weird, you know, I like all the stuff that's happening in Copenhagen right now. What's happening in Copenhagen? Oh, there's such a great music scene in Copenhagen. What? Yes, I'll send you a playlist. Oh my God, I love it. It's as it all, it's like heavy, heavy Copenhagen. No, it's, it's not heavy. It's a vibe. It's a vibe. And I've always liked music from that, from like Scandinavian artists, you know, but also I just like was listening to, I put on this Olivia Dean song. Oh, yeah. Oh, man, I need and I started and I was like, oh, I know it because I've seen the clips all over the internet and I started singing along to it and I started crying to it. And I think it's because it's so, it feels joyful and feels very feminine. It's not, my mouth doesn't make those shapes very often. And my body like really responded to it. So I just, yeah, there's so many different types of music happening right now that I'm so inspired by. That's awesome. Yeah, it's fun. And what are you listening to watching, reading, what do you do to laugh? What do you do when you want to get up, you know, get on the elevator and get up out of the, like what makes you laugh? Wayne's world. That's my favorite movie of all time. I've talked about how much, how great Wayne's can. Can we please talk about it? I mean, Dana Corvay was instrumental for me when I was, he was in, you know, like you always kind of fall in love with the SNL cast that you saw when you were like 1314 and he, him and Jan Hooks, like that cast and apartment. And Mike Myers was an improviser who came out of the theater that I studied at. So Mike was a kind of an example of like, one of us can make it. Wow. He kind of came up through that system, that Chicago system and got in the snout. So those two were, and, but what do you like about Wayne's world? I, but it is a Wayne's world. Make you laugh. Well, so my parents were really young and I, I think that's why I got to grow up on stuff like that from the early, early 90s or the late 80s. And I thought that's how we would dress when we became adults. I was like, this is how adults dress. We wear fishnets under denim ripped up shorts. We wear flannels over aerosol t-shirts and I literally dress like that. I mean, I just, I, that movie has, it's like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, it's like the Godfather to me. Like, I quote that movie all the time. What's your, what are your favorite scenes in Wayne's world? Oh, this is good. Well, it's probably the dream we've ever seen. It's probably when they first see Cassandra. And that gorgeous woman played by Tia Carrera. Tia Carrera, Mike Queen. Incredible. Oh. And Chris Trigger's Rob Lowe is in Wayne's world, Rolo, as we like to call him, don't you know, I did not like Rob Lowe until much later in his career. Because he was bad in Wayne's world. Like he was the villain in Wayne's world. Yes. I believe Parks and Rec was my, was the redemption tour. Okay. So we'll finish with Doug's two questions because they were great questions. Oh, okay. So, Doug had two questions for you. And, and by the way, make sure you check out Wayne's world. If you haven't seen Wayne's world, what the fuck? Yeah. Yeah. Diff to bleep, curse words. No. You don't have to bleep on this. Oh my God, I'm going to fight the power. Yeah. Incredible. It's so incredible. Freedom. Um, freedom. Um, okay. He had two great questions. One was, um, you know how Batman has a symbol in the sky that calls Batman. Yeah. What would Haley Williams symbol be? And it can be anything. 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It's Yeah That's my favorite part of course and then the um the the next question which is wild is What is the last song that you want to hear before you die? Okay, oh no, I know in your and and Do you feel like you would know it? Staying alive That was always my funeral song, but I suppose it would be kind of cool to go out to it as well And you know when I add an extra layer to it that is supposedly the beat that you're supposed to do CPR to stop Staying alive that's when we learn CPR it was like Ha ha ha ha Stay alive stay alive and then breathe into their mouth. Whoa So that might be what you want to hear Doug you got your answer well, um I hope this isn't too embarrassing, but we're gonna do a cool down with our straws. Oh yeah with our straws Yeah, damn Doug is really taught you gave us this he gave us a cool down and now I only want to do it with straw okay, can you talk us through it? Yeah, we do a few different versions and it honestly has been a moment Since I've done it which is hence why I was saying I need to start doing it at night, but I think the whole idea is go Normally you're going from here building up kind of up your range now. We're gonna close. We're gonna shut it down Okay, so let's start like not too high, but just We're gonna slow down That's a little too low Hailey Williams, thank you so much for being with us. Thank you. That was lovely that felt really good It did and I love you and I love your voice and I love spending time with you I love you so much. I don't know what a guy knew you happened there. I'm gonna really unpack on my way home And I will send you a playlist Yes, please Because we need to know what's going on in Copenhagen You're right because I'm in I'm embarrassed about how little I know what's going on over there We need to get over there and don't think that for the rest of the week I'm not gonna die now on the fact that Hailey Williams told me there's a lot of music going on in Copenhagen I'm gonna say it at least 10 times to everyone tell everyone you know about me at the gas station It's hot the block is hot in Copenhagen. You gotta tell them. I'm gonna drop that like it's nothing I'm just gonna say it so casually. I'm gonna make eye contact Hands in your pockets Siggurat appears We're gonna say here, but you're gonna go Thank you so much for coming Hailey you are Well, you're in my new best friend whether you know it or not um and we'll be friends forever um It was so fun to see you and and uh, I just want to say Hailey talked about a lot of amazing musicians and And people that she loves to work with But for this polar plunge, I'm just reminding everybody about two things the great Kathleen Hannah who you know Started Bikini kill and Latigra and is an incredible activist and musician and um instrumental for so many women's careers such an Inspiration I know for me and many other people um and the Linda Linda's a band that Kathleen has supported as well as Hailey forever. They are just this really super fun great musicians great vibe I got the chance to work with them in a movie. I directed called moxie where they were playing at the dance and They're just they're just so fun. So check out music from the Linda Linda's and always bow down to the great Kathleen Hannah and thank you hailey Williams always um for all that you do can't wait to see what's next. Okay. Thanks. Bye You've been listening to Good Hang the executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons Jenna Weiss Berman and me Amy Poler The show is produced by the ranger and paper kite for the ranger production by jack Wilson, cat spillane, kaya mcmolland and alayah's an iris For paper kite production by san green, joe level and Jenna Weiss Berman original music by Amy Miles